
Greater Manchester Police
Eight of the nine men convicted Tuesday as part Greater Manchester Police's investigation into child sexual exploitation are seen here. Clockwise from top left: Abdul Aziz, Abdul Qayyum, Adil Khan, Hamid Safi, Abdul Rauf, Mohammed Sajid, Mohammed Amin and Kabeer Hassan.
LONDON -- Nine men were jailed on Wednesday for grooming and sexually exploiting girls aged as young as 13 in the north of England.
Five victims were "shared" by Kabeer Hassan, Abdul Aziz, Abdul Rauf, Mohammed Sajid, Adil Khan, Abdul Qayyum, Mohammed Amin, Hamid Safi and a 59-year-old man who cannot be named for legal reasons, The Guardian reported.

The Times
The front page of Wednesday's Times newspaper, in London.
The men were aged between 24 and 59, all but one were of Pakistani heritage. The other was from Afghanistan. They were found guilty of conspiracy to engage in sexual activity with a child, the BBC News reported. Other convictions included rape, sexual assault and sexual activity with a child.
They were given sentences ranging from four to 19 years, the BBC reported.
Jurors were told that the men gave the victims alcohol and drugs and then would "pass them around" for sex, according to the BBC. Some of the victims were forced to have sex with "several men in a day, several times a week," the jury heard.
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The gang preyed on girls -- all of whom were white -- from "chaotic" backgrounds, the BBC quoted the police as saying.
The men, who live in the run-down industrial towns of Rochdale and Oldham, were found guilty on Tuesday. Two others were acquitted after the 11-month trial.
50 members of grooming gang?
It emerged after the conviction that police believed the grooming gang had 50 members, the Manchester Evening News reported.
Sentencing the men, Judge Gerald Clifton said they treated the girls "as though they were worthless and beyond respect," the BBC reported.
"One of the factors leading to that was the fact that they were not part of your community or religion," he added. "Some of you, when arrested, said it (the prosecution) was triggered by race. That is nonsense. What triggered this prosecution was your lust and greed."
Police and social workers have been accused of initially not acting on allegations raised in 2008 for fear of appearing racist.
"This is an absolute scandal. They were petrified of being called racist and so reverted to the default of political correctness," former member of parliament Ann Cryer told The Daily Telegraph. "They had a greater fear of being perceived in that light than in dealing with the issues in front of them."
The tabloid Daily Mail newspaper ran the front-page headline: "Why did no one listen to teenage victims of sex gang?"
Cop: 'Not a racial issue'
However, a senior police officer involved in the investigation rejected calls for the case to be seen through the prism of race.
"It is not a racial issue. This is about adults preying on vulnerable young children," the Telegraph quoted Assistant Chief Constable Steve Heywood of Greater Manchester Police as saying. "It just happens that in this particular area and time the demographics were that these were Asian men."
"I am currently running several other inquiries about on-street grooming and it is not Asian men," BBC News quoted Heywood as saying.
Nevertheless, the case was seized on by the head of the far-right British National Party (BNP), raising the specter of an extremist backlash.
The leader of the BNP, Nick Griffin, tweeted before the jury had announced its decision that seven verdicts had been reached. It is not clear how he learned of the jury's decision given that strict reporting restrictions were in place.
The case has already sparked protests by far-right groups. Greater Manchester Police said on Wednesday they were preparing for possible racially motivated violence.
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Now it is their turn to be raped several times a day for several years.
death bye bufunga thats what i say!
That makes you no better than them as far as I'm concerned.
Give them what they would get in Pakistan, a public beheading letting the girls watch......
When it comes to protecting a child or in this case, children...who gives a damn about if it looks "racist" you do what needs to be done to protect a child. the only racists are these men who openly set out to find young white girls to use and abuse.
I can't believe they only got 4 to 19 years. They should be abused for life.
I can't help but be reminded of the rape scene in "The Girl with a Dragon Tattoo" and how she got her revenge! Wish they could go through that entire scene, even the part where she tattoo's the guys chest!
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I wonder what else these perverts will get to 'share' when they're being passed around the cell-blocks like peace-pipes.
Typical muslim scum. Allah Ackbar. May the lot of them meet him ASAP.
Lets try to keep in mind that there are plenty of Muslim people in the world who are outstanding human beings like anyone else. I agree the police should not let "looking racist" get in the way of doing their job, but for once can the rest of us not throw around all the racist comments as well. Also, I don't know whats up with UK laws, but 4-19 years for running a adolescent rape gang, really? While reading it, I thought it was going to say 4-19 consecutive life sentences.
Yeah, let's keep trying to remind ourselves that there REALLY are plenty of outstanding Muslim human beings in the world...let's keep trying, let's try a little harder!!
How can this NOT be seen through the prism of racism...because that's exactly what it is...a racist sexual crime! Don't get me wrong, I don't want this to happen to anyone but the only girls from "chaotic" backgrounds are White? There are no Black girls, Asian girls or any other race of girls from these type of 'chaotic' backgrounds? Maybe these bastards should suffer like the rapists did in 'Law Abiding Citizen' or 'I Spit On Your Grave' and let the girls have the 'honour' of putting these sick bastards out of everyone's misery and help these girls heal by knowing these sick phucks won't hurt anyone any more. castration should just be the start of their suffering, dull knife, no anesthesia and long slow strokes to get the job done right.
Ulises - Maybe whatever apparently all white area you live in doesn't have Muslims, but I know many fine upstanding Muslim citizens. You realize you're preaching the same thing extremist Muslims are preaching, hate of another race for the simple fact that they are not them. Grow up.
Son of Anubis - Yes, race seemed to motivate part of the crime (ie. the girls they chose), although a rapists fetish for a certain type of girl is not racism, I get what you are trying to say. However, it has nothing to do with what I said. I am just stating that it would be nice if the rest of us could come on here and comment without throwing out all kinds of racial insults that have nothing to do with this case. So when the standard prototypical middle-aged goofy looking white male (Like Airborn7 - the starter of comment #2 on here) rapes a child here in the good ole' USA do you come on the boards and start spewing hate of white people? I doubt it. P.S. - I am a white male before you try to start throwing racist comments my way.
@Jason,
I may be missing something but where in my comment did I say anything racist or spew hate? I was stating that their preference of White girls was them in fact being racist. As the judge said treating the girls as 'worthless and beyond respect' was to quote him "One of the factors leading to that was the fact that they were not part of your community or religion,". Going by this statement it would appear to be racially motivated as the girls chosen were not of their background or religion. Now I don't want to get into a debate about the race of the victims or the perps just that know no matter if done by a White, Black, Brown, Purple or Pink person (mostly male) I would feel the same punishment should befall them all....castration being one of the first things that should be done. Anyone that hurts a child in this manner should be dealt with swiftly and harshly.
I'm still baffled where I was 'throwing racial insults' in my comment. If it's in how to deal with these guys as I have stated that should happen to all who do this to a child. I have re-read my comment several times and fail to see where I was racist in it. Is it because I said they only chose White girls? Is that the extent of my 'racial insult'? That is just stating a fact from the article, not my personal opinion.
It is not race, but the more backward practices of some religiously deluded individuals. That is not to say that the mainstream of their religion does not forcefully repudiate this behavior. Just as some 'religious' leaders in this country have gone to jail for child brides, some people just don't get it that women have rights too. "Opium Brides" on PBS Frontline showed that female children are used to settle debts by the Taliban and in some remote areas of Afghanistan. This is a part of a culture that is a throwback to the dark ages. Again, it is not mainstream Islam but the actions of people that are unaware of more modern thought. Those who would defend these men are just as ignorant. http://video.pbs.org/video/2183223771
@Son of anubis - I was not saying you were spewing racists comments, and even though I never said you were I apologize if it came off that way. I was referring to the rest of the racist comments and your comment that racism should basically be the main issue with this story. Terrible men did terrible things to girls, that is what happened. Race is really not much of an issue here and unless you make it to be one. Yes, they picked girls of a certain race but what does that really matter to what happened? So if they picked all black girls or all arab girls, would it make the situation any more horrific? Should they receive more or less time based on the race of the victims?
"This is an absolute scandal. They were petrified of being called racist and so reverted to the default of political correctness,"
Welcome to the mind of a "liberal".
Who cares about reality or the cosequences of my actions/inactions, how can I make myself feel special, or at least attempt to make myself appear to not be like the people who I like to label "racists"?
I feel it should be every parent's duty to EXTERMINATE these VERMIN!!!
They probably bow to Mecca five times a day.
Everyone knows WASP's would never do that. Hah.
Bet the guy they couldn't mention had diplomatic immunity........
Hummmmm .. Proves the old adage ...
"Birds Of a Feather Flock Together "
"Now it is their turn to be raped several times a day for several years."
Now who the hell, would raped them? They're all ugly mofos, even bubba would turn them down. On the other hand, a public head choping would fit the crime, and not the one on their shoulders either.
Actually, it is more likely that the girls would have been blamed in Pakistan for dishonoring their family.
Who gives a rat's a$$ what race these monsters are????? They're MEN raping CHILDREN!!!! This should never be about race! These men are scum! The fact that they are all Muslim is just a fact, not a motive for arrest.
Have fun in the slammer, fellas! May your hands be forever slippery and you just can't seem to hang on to that soap in the showers. Karma's a bitch.
Seven2seven, Not sure why you think these guys would get a public beheading in Pakistan - most likely if any charges were ever brought in pakiland, and it is highly unlikely - its the girls that would get locked up, or worse, forced to marry these pathetic pieces of s*it. Its practically a cultural norm there.
The sexual abuse by eight Pakis and one Afghan sexual beasts went on for many years.
Though complaints were lodged regularly, police did not act as they did not want to be dubbed as "racists."
About 50 teenagers were affected.
Kick out all Pakis and those Muslims from basket case nations from the US, Britain, European nations.
Their contributions to a society, nation and world are negative.
"They were petrified of being called racist and so reverted to the default of political correctness,"
Well there you go. Sounds like half of the people in the United States. Petrified of NOT being politically correct and running the rest of us into the gutter. This sounds like it should have happened in America.
Chin up I am sure plenty of really great things will come from this tragedy. Right?
This incident is a disgrace to British political sysem, which permitted the Paki sexual beasts inside Britain, police who did not act on the complaints and the judicial sytem which did not deliver timely justice.
Pakis have been doing these in Pakistan on minorities since 47.
By raping, looting, stealing, killing and genocides Pakis reduced the minority population from 25 percent to less than three percent in two years right after 47.
World looked the other way on the genocides and to admit such Paki Islamic religious Nazis and Frankenstein monsters was idiotic and suicidal.
The thought of these bastards praying on little girls turns my stomach. Toss these SOBs to the public and let us tear them from limb to limb.
Jail is too easy a sentence for them. Well i hope the white racial prison gangs deliver them their just punishment.
Well now, isnt THIS interesting ?
"Five victims were "shared" by Kabeer Hassan, Abdul Aziz, Abdul Rauf, Mohammed Sajid, Adil Khan, Abdul Qayyum, Mohammed Amin, Hamid Safi and a 59-year-old man who cannot be named for legal reasons."
THEN they deny that it was anything having to do with political correctness, and claim that they were "Asian", but say nothing about the apparent Muslim names.
AND a 59 year old man who cant be named for "legal" reasons ? What's THAT about ?
Send them home to hell "PAKI-LAND" with no money, no prospects and a tattoo saying Paedophile on their forehead.At least make sure you all write to them in prison and tell them what the great ALAH is going to do to them.
Jason I agree. Why is it every time a white girl/teen is missing, and a white person is responsible, it seems like it is hard for the media to say a white person did it. Also most times it is someone who knows the girl has done it. I find it amazing that Nancy Grace could barely get the word white out when she is describing the guy (and I will say guy not white guy) who was a family friend who kidnapped the girls and their mom and is accused of killing the mom and the older girl.
It's a prison rape joke beermug. Get the f*ck over it.
The power of the internet, let's put it to good use.
This writer said, and a 59-year-old man who cannot be named for legal reasons, The Guardian reported.
Will some one please find out who this person is and print his name.
These scum who are little more than amoral pedophiles deserved far more than the 4 to 19 years they received as sentences. This is one of the consequences of accepting the intrusion of Sharia law, and should serve as a wake-up call for many reasons, not the least of which is the tolerance of this type of activity in their troglodyte home cultures. Irrespective of their religions or ethnicity is the degradation of children which should not be condoned in any culture.
Where's the UN in this case?? Isn't this something that the world protectorate body is supposed to get involved in, particularly for the sake of the young people?
These guys are uglier than rancid crap. I think I am going to puke.
It is only logical they are mid Eastern. I'm sure they found these girls to be better than their camels.
I don't know how you come up with the logical conclusion that they were middle eastern. I mean like do you think that people of no other region are capable of rape?
Did you read the article? The prosecutor said that they were already investigating other grooming gangs that were not subject to any particular racial or ethnic angle - meaning caucasian. The only thing that all these grooming gangs have in common is that the members are male. What is wrong with men?!? Dear God, you wonder that women don't trust men these days.
That's a terrible thing to say. You've obviously never been in love with a beautiful camel with blue eyes and long lashes.
About 70% of child abuse is actually committed by women. Nice try though.
LOL Some Guy... First, you can't just make up statistics. Second, men are overwhelmingly the perpetrators of sexual assault. Female perpetrators still are very rare according to the British NSPCC. Sexual abuse of women and girls is epidemic with research showing that attempted or successful rate occuring in 1 in 6 women during their lifetime according to the National Insitute of Justice. If we are talking about physical abuse, that's because in women are overwhelmingly the main care givers of children. However, research shows that the most severe forms of child physical abuse are still perpatrated by males. The most dangerous thing you can do is to bring a non-biologically associated male into your home. The "Cinderella Effect" is recognized by prosecutors.
Hun, you don't know who you are talking to on the internet. I've helped put child molesters and abusers in jail and are intimately familiar with the research.

Where on earth did you get that statistic??!! Perhaps frustrated moms smack their kids a lot but when it comes to sexual abuse, it is overwhelmingly men. When has anyone ever heard of gangs of female pedophiles? C'mon.
They are not mid eastern. The are south east asian Pakistanis. Sheesh people - study your maps if you at least don't ravel outside of disney land.
Some Guy, your comment is a no-starter.
While it is true that there are extremely abusive women-I know, I was raised by one-I would really like you to cite your statistic.
It has been proven in many courts of law around the world, and I won't even mention psychological studies, again world-wide, that the male of our species are the sexually aggressive ones. Send me to an article, study, or court case that shows women are the creators of 70% of sexual crimes against children. Come to think of it, you're going to have to show a lot of evidence to back up your 70% statistic.
My mother may have been a mean old battle-axe, but the one thing she never did was sexually molest me, or groom me to be somebody's sex toy.
sorry for typos - don't eat bagels while typing! :-)
lol @ Some Guy...tisk tisk
Ah, I find it possible that woman might be better at hiding physical abuse of a child then men. After all, woman are more likely to be convicted of a forgery or crime of dishonesty. ( ref, UNECE )
So, logically, if woman are more likely to commit a crime of dishonesty,then would it be possible for them to lie or be dishonest about physical or sexual abuse of a child? keep in mind though, that we could go on for days about what gender is responsible for what world horrors and we could all lose site of this fact.
There are bad people of every "race" and gender. If men commit more violent crime and woman tend to be forgers and committing crimes of dishonesty, then I see no reason for ether gender to be taking the high road with regards to specific crimes committed.
One thing I can say. No matter what you think of men, its creeps like these fools that give dishonest woman a weapon in court that helps them keep children away from good fathers. Try not to paint all men as violent sex offenders and I will try not so see every women as a dishonest thief.
Airborn - Thats a bold statement coming from a guy with an avatar that looks like the definition of a pedophile!
Beer Mug - You no doubt, have no daughters. I have 2 daughters and if they did that to mine, I would cut off their genitals and cram them down their throats. They are all a bunch of sick sons of bitches and don't deserve to live. They need someone to pull the trigger all they need to do is call me and I will pay my own expenses to get there. I will even bring my own weapon to execute them, also at no charge!!
Couldn't agree with Okie more. My daughter has been told since she was old enough to reason[about 6 months] that I'd crawl 1000 miles on my knees to avenge her
@thomasw: You think 6 months is old enough to reason? lmao....
@krazymop - lol! If she could reason that comment at 6 months imagine how horrifying of an image it must have been for a 6 month old who knows no evil to hear. How did that conversation go, "Daughter, if you are every brutally gang raped, I will hunt whoever did it down on my knees to avenge you".
@Thomas - As a dad of a daughter, I get what you are saying, but me thinks you are exaggerating just slightly.
"The are south east asian Pakistanis. Sheesh people - study your maps if you at least"
You sir also need to study maps, I wouldn't recommend yours though, as pakistan is not south east, it is in south west asia.
"It is only logical they are mid Eastern."
It is only logical that the public shools have failed you. I guess that special class was not so special after all.
When Muslims form more than five percent in a street, place or nation, the followers of Islamic cult start these. Pakis are the worst beasts history has ever seen.
Higher the percentage, worse becomes the conditions of non-Muslims.
When Muslims form a majority, it is free for all. Look at their beastly nations, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.
Then these very liabilities start running to safer non-Muslim nations to start their beastly games all over.
Even though there are many cases of women abusing children, its a much lower percentage that do so in a sexual manner. Many cases where the victim is a young man it doesn't get reported and its rare, regardless of the sex of the victim, is it violent. Some Guy..troll on subjects where you might make sense.
Rape is NOT about sex. IT IS ABOUT RAGE AND CONTROL AND VIOLENCE. The reason women and children are usually the ones raped is because they are the easiest ones to be controlled and physically overcome. Every single rapist out there (unless you find a very self-enlightened sociopath) has a reason for why they rape. I'm sure these men used their upbringing and religious background to justify that there is nothing wrong with taking women with force who are not of their tribe, background and/or religion. Until people realize that rape has nothing to do with sex but EVERYTHING to do with power, we will be powerless to stop rape.
Okay maybe I'm missing something but why is the ringleader unnamed? High ranking official maybe who knows and who cares. Just shoot them on the spot.
All good upstanding Muslims I expect?? Just goes to show how the religion of peace works I guess!!
No, they aren't good upstanding Muslims, any more than the enormous numbers of white people raised in Christian backgrounds who are child molesters are good upstanding Christians. It is just asounding how people like you will jump on people's background if other than your own, while ignoring that the same thing could be said in reverse. Do you have a blind spot?
Howard I guess you missed the "gang" part. Like our "turn the other cheek" KKK Christians always do the right things. Looks like someone has a one track mind.
Rape of virgins is encouraged in their culture especially with non-muslim females who are considerd "unclean".
What a hideous looking bunch of scumbags, Deangelo. Hideous.
@ Latekate...I believe your statement is incorrect...
It is against Islam to rape Muslim women, but it has been encouraged by Allah the exalted and not Muhammed to rape the women of men captured during war. The prohpet of Islam and his companitoins used war to collect women for personal secual use and for trading. Unless she was declared as someones wife the women became a sex slave. .
No where has it ever been practise
to rape virgins, or drug young girls to gang-rape them.
You probably belive that this verse condones rape as well...
"If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and
rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty
shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated (anah)
her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives." Deuteronomy 22:28-29
Wait a minute! So he rapes her and then she has to marry him? If that were me and I had to marry my rapist I would cut off his junk while he slept.
"Just goes to show how the religion of peace works I guess!!"
Whcih religion? Are you seriously that ignorant?
"Rape of virgins is encouraged in their culture especially with non-muslim females who are considerd "unclean"."
And you know this because............. Don't say it's because of ignorance, that's getting old.
"Five victims were "shared" by Kabeer Hassan, Abdul Aziz, Abdul Rauf, Mohammed Sajid, Adil Khan, Abdul Qayyum, Mohammed Amin, Hamid Safi and a 59-year-old man who cannot be named for legal reasons"
This means he has political leverage. Probably from the Middle East. I guarantee if it was a non muslim in the Middle East that did this, they would be named. With that being said, all these MONSTERS are muslim, and very evil.
Are they more evil than the white Christian monsters who do this?
I have not sympathy for these rapists nor do I have the feeling that I should be politically correct. But, somehow like always this has become something of a Muslim issue and less of a rape issue in public opinion. Does everyone think that they are no bad apples in any religion, what about JUDAS. There is always going to be bad people no matter which religion they come from, it is just our job to put them in their place in jail or the execution block.
Yes Deangelo, Yes.
TopJimmy - are they more evil than the White Christian woman who gave her 5 month old daughter for sex with 2 white christian men?
Talk about a sick and disgusting religion!!!
If this had been five infidels that did this to underage girls in any muslim asian country they would be facing the death penalty with no appeal. There heads would be in baskets by now. When those depraved animals get out of prison will the UK track them or would that not be politically correct?
Lets face it, Brits are afraid of their muslim population and as such, they will be a muslim country in 50 years. They will take over Brittain as well as the rest of Europe, as Libya's late dictator said, muslims will take over Europe without firing a shot.
teecee, when they are let out of jail, they will get welfare for life. Kind of a retirement check...not bad for only 4 years in jail. 20 years? Well, that will probably be reduced to 5 years as well.
Got to love the Euorpean style of justice.
"This is an absolute scandal. They were petrified of being called racist and so reverted to the default of political correctness,"
Liberalism strikes again.
Welcome to what has become a national pasttime for the most insecure and emotionally needy in America - defending criminals to prove how not-racist one is while ignoring the victims and future victims.
"all these MONSTERS are muslim, and very evil."
First, how do you know they were all muslims, there are some hindus in pakistan as well. Second, there were 50 people in this circle, again how do you know they were all muslims. Third, your ignorance shows that you are just as evil.
Fool, the criminals are muslims.
Nevermind ...... you can't deal with a$$holes. These should be taken out at dawn and shot, end of story
Someone can claim to be Christian, Muslim, Hindu, whatever... that does not make it true.
These monsters are of no religion, no race, no culture, no country... they are not even human.
MSNBC is a fine one to talk about not sounding racist. The station loves to air shows about teen-age sex slaves in America, yet never divulges the ethnic group of the rapists.
An incident it reported on that took place in Detroit in the '80s, for instance, was CLEARLY the work of Chaldean party store owners (large population at the girl's school, the hours the rapes took place, the family connections, etc.), yet MSNBC never said so. A recent story about a girl in Florida whispered that an ethnic group was involved, but again MSNBC kept mum. Why? Apparently it was more interested in sharing salacious details about the rape of children than protecting the public from these monsters.
BTW, it's not a religion thing (Chaldeans are Catholic), it's a third-world-country thing. This is what happens when we let these rodents in.
Before I opened the link, I took a wild guess that they were probably all Muslims or from Muslim majority countries. Oh, so much prejudice! I need to take more ethnic awareness and religious tolerance courses! Seriously though, these men are just perverts and their race doesn't mean a damn thing. Throw them in jail like other perverts.
And Christins never do this? Unbelievable, stupid comment.
I would have never guessed that this gang would have been of Middle Eastern decent. I would have thought that if the title was about terrorism. But as you can see Muslim people are just as capable of raping people like everyone other race and religion.
Unbelievably stupid to try and defend them Deangelo, unbelievable.
Terrorism takes many forms, case in point and they should be deported back to the $hithole they came from.....
They are NOT middle eastern! They are south east asians - Pakistan is NOT middle east! Have any of you studied geography? Religion? Traveled? Get off the Internet and go somewhere.
You know what your problem is over there? You Britts have forgotten how to handle the Wogs. You used to know how to impose order and command respect.Don't sacrafice your virgins and soveriegnty to the alter of political correctness. Take back your country.Show the Wooly Boogers why the sun never set on the Brittish Empire.If you don't they'll own you. Now, if I could only make MY own fascist government enforce our immigration laws I would be able to look you in the eye when I told you that. Welcome to the new world order where there will be no shining cities on the hill.
Rape is NOT about sex. IT IS ABOUT RAGE AND CONTROL AND VIOLENCE. The reason women and children are usually the ones raped is because they are the easiest ones to be controlled and physically overcome. Every single rapist out there (unless you find a very self-enlightened sociopath) has a reason for why they rape. I'm sure these men used their upbringing and religious background to justify that there is nothing wrong with taking women with force who are not of their tribe, background and/or religion. Until people realize that rape has nothing to do with sex but EVERYTHING to do with power, we will be powerless to stop rape.
They didn't give them much of a sentence, considering how serious the situation is.
Four Years sounds kind of short for something serious as rape. At a minimum it should be 10 years to life.
Yes, because sex is the same thing as murder. Four years is enough. Don't let your hatred for them could your judgement.
Lol Bald man it is not my hate that is clouding my judgement but the fear of rape. I mean if murder is the ultimate crime, then for me, rape is not very far behind it. What if one of the men had AIDS, that would be like committing murder. I mean the rapist coming out after four years which is not a long time could easily look for revenge.
Never been raped have you, Baldman?
These men repeatedly raped several children and they only get 4 years in jail? If they gave them 4 years per count it might be fair.
This is in UK and since they abolished capital punishment all their sentences seem less than enough . If death penalty opponents have their way . this is how the US will deal with atrocities in the not to distant future . A lot of forward thinking and political correctness . This is why you can kill 77 innocents in Norway and face up to 44 years , and have benefits paid after release . Harsher punishments for violent crimes . More rights for victims .
Since we don't convict people on hypotheticals, I don't see what effect the possibility of AIDS transmission should have in adjudicating this case. Even if the girl got AIDS, with appropriate treatment she can live as long as the rest of us. AIDS is no longer a death sentence.
Secondly, your personal feelings about the psychological damage of rape are subjective and while i do not mean to reduce the horror of the act, it is still not anywhere near having your life taken from you and thus, it doesn't deserve anything near life imprisonment. Four years is enough, but no more than 10 years all together for more than one woman.
You ask me if I've ever been raped before. No, but I've seen people who have been falsely accused of rape and have had a huge part of their lives taken away from them because of some woman's lie. Rape is not death. Get real!
This is where your bias lies.
If the woman made a false claim (assuming it's proveable that she did) then she should be prosecuted.
Rape is undoubtedly ( to most people) nearly as bad as death, and to some it is considered worse than death. It all depends on your perspective.
But whether or not rape is "traumatic" is not subjective. It may be more traumatic for some victims than others, but it IS ABSOLUTELY traumatic for all who experience it. Some may be emotionally stable in a few years, some in a few decades and some may never again in their lives regain emotional stability.
Just because someone doesn't end up dead from being raped, doesn't make it OK, for it to happen. If you want jail to work as a deterrent, then it has to be used to the fullest. shortened sentences are akin to a slap on the wrist rather than an actual deterrent. If the penalty for rape were a death sentence then perhaps rapists would think twice before raping. But that's a decision for society as a whole to make not just any one of us.
First of all, it's very difficult to prove she's lying when the only two witnesses are the victim and the alleged perpetrator. Even when she eventually recants, she's not prosecuted for fear that such practices would discourage other women who lied about being raped from coming forward.
These are all emotive claims. You can't make laws based on how bad someone is psychologically hurt. If we applied this same logic to other areas of the law, the whole thing would fall apart. What part of that don't you understand?
**sigh**
And women get to have the power of life and death over every guy they don't like. Brilliant idea, I think you should run for office.
Deangelo,,,,,Yes of course Christians do things like this as well as atheist and any other religion. Perverts are perverts. It sounds like you will be blaming someone else before long. Typical sideways thinking. Why not go save a homeless person and do something with your life. Wait,, that might be a Christian thing.
Aren't these from the Islamic society that holds women in high esteem?
What about all the child molesters from your society who do this? Hmmm?
More focused about the race and religion than the rape ehh.
What about them Deangelo? When they run a story on 'our society' you can come comment. For now, leave us be. We're thrashing disgusting looking Pakis and it feels good to do so.
Kind of sad you need to "thrash" "disgusting-looking Pakis and that it makes you feel so good. How about thrashing people who do this in the US? It is my country, and I think no matter where it is this sucks.
TopJimmy-3188981 - Are you too scared to trash non-muslims on the perverted things they do? Ohh i guess it is the in thing to do, trash muslims.
Where were you when priests were molesting children for decades? I guess you were too scared to say anything then.
Grow some nuggets!!
KAdam12345 - rest assured, when the articles ran about pederast Catholic priests, we thrashed them well. And when trailer trash from the great American south burn crosses and sire spawn with their siblings, we thrash them, too. Anyone from any walk of life who creates their 15 minutes of fame is such sordid fashion will get the scathing they richly deserve. We're equal opportunity. But right now, it's these creeps turn and we'll give it to them good - and without the distration of political correctness or concern for the oh so sensitive sensibilities of those for whom PC is the golden rule.
Zee-3933036 - Zee, i wish, i really wish i could believe you, but i read MSNBC and make it a point to read the comments, and i have never seen such hatred for a religion and race as i have for muslims. Granted muslims do a lot of bad things, but it is not right to blame a religion for the actions of non-practicing muslims.
It is a shame that we, here in America, have such people who have so much hatred. After all, this country was founded on religious freedom.
I can't image what those girls have gone through, but the damage these disgusting men have done to them is irreversable.
"It's not a racial issue". How politically correct of him. It may not be racial but it most certainly is cultural. In their own countries this behavior would be perfectly acceptable, and would have garnered no punishment. Filthy savages.
There are filthy savages in all. Sorry to burst your bubble. Guess the white Catholic priests are filthy savages to you as well? The teachers...mostly white...who rape their students are filthy savages as well? The teens who gang rape kids or teens?
Lots of filthy savages around the wold, I guess.
Teachers rape their students? Is that how it goes? Because mostly you hear of students having consensual sex with the adults, illegal. There comes a time to be politically correct and this isn't one of them. We should call it like it is and stop trying to insist that this is common in all societies. It isn't common for groups of up to 50 men to have sex with a series of underage kids. Not common in all societies. These guys are in for a serious beat down when they get in. Lots of fathers don't like this, no matter why they are behind bars, doing this to children is deeply upsetting.
"Lots of filthy savages around the wold, I guess"
I totally agree.
"It may not be racial but it most certainly is cultural"
Next time read the bloody post.
I guess no one bothers to read down past the first few paragraphs. If you had you would note that the prosecutor states that they are investigating several grooming gangs that have no ethnic or racial component to them (probably meaning caucasian). This is rape. Rape has not racial, ethnic or religious stricture. As far as these types of gangs go they have only one thing in common - the rapists were men and they preyed on children.
The great wonder is that women trust men at all.
But many won't read that part, and will jump to make it all about race and culture. Yes, they treat women like crap, but no, this isn't part of that. This is a gang and they were convicted.
Rape is NOT about sex. IT IS ABOUT RAGE AND CONTROL AND VIOLENCE. The reason women and children are usually the ones raped is because they are the easiest ones to be controlled and physically overcome. Every single rapist out there (unless you find a very self-enlightened sociopath) has a reason for why they rape. I'm sure these men used their upbringing and religious background to justify that there is nothing wrong with taking women with force who are not of their tribe, background and/or religion. Until people realize that rape has nothing to do with sex but EVERYTHING to do with power, we will be powerless to stop rape.
Well 4 yrs is what you get when it is their culture that lets these men think that they are "entitled" to do this to women, even in good old England. They should have gotten min. 10 years with no parole.
Just think of the women and young girls back in the old country that go through this and it is legal there. I believe it is called marriage in that country, but is nothing more than slavery for sex.
Oh really? You think rapists in the US get long sentences? IF they are even brought to trial and IF they are even convicted they often get less time than others do for non-violent offenses. I hate to burst your bubble, but some men in every culture rape women, so this isn't just because of their culture.
Ram's right. Only the most violent of offenders get long sentences. The vast majority are either not prosecuted because of lack of evidence or the circumstances of the rape/sexual assault are somewhat ambiguous. Most often, the best a prosecutor can do is to get the perp to plea bargain down the charge allowing them to at least get something.
These pigs deserve the same treatment they dished out to these young girls. I hope they will get "groomed" and "passed around" in prison.
I suspect in jail their new found friends might start passing them around as sex toys.
Exterminating this vermon would be a benefit to mankind.
This is your example of the hippocrisy of Islam. I'll bet they can't wait to meet Allah. They already had their 21 virgins and then some.
all muslim sounding names....guess there women are to ugly once they take there masks off......kill them all,prison is to good for them..they will get all the sex they can handle there.
Lets see... Out of 35 words, you managed:
3 errors in punctuation.
3 errors in grammar.
2 errors in capitalization.
1 error in logic.
Another wonderful example of our public education system in action.
Jacques, too true.
"No Child Left Behind" at it's finest. What has happened to my country?
Rochdale is a northern English town where about 20 % of the population is of Asian origin. This population has settled there since the 70's. That said, I think this has less to do with race and more to do with men able to exploit vulnerable women. For example, eastern european men in Ireland have been caught trafficing young easterrn european women. The women in Ireland were tricked and thought they would be getting work but ended up trapped in a brothel.
These men have simply cottoned on to young girls being from disfunctional backgrounds and have exploited them. There is no difference between this and the truck stop prostitution that goes on in the USA. I'm glad they were caught and let's hope across the USA and the world sex trafficing is taken seriously and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. And god help women in countries where laws do not exist to allow prosecution. When men separate their respect for women from the women they can exploit sexually, this sort of thing happens and it happens anywhere.
Drugs. What people wont do for drugs. I think this is the root cause. Its really not about Pakis or grooming gangs or races or rape or culture.
Its about getting high somehow or the other. Pathetic state of affairs. God save us.
Life without parole is too good for them. Firing squad would be just.
I definately see the Texas in your name (and I applaud) but not sure were the Liberal part of your name went.
"It is not a racial issue. This is about adults preying on vulnerable young children," the Telegraph quoted Assistant Chief Constable Steve Heywood of Greater Manchester Police as saying. "It just happens that in this particular area and time the demographics were that these were Asian men."
"I am currently running several other inquiries about on-street grooming and it is not Asian men," the BBC News quoted Heywood as saying.
WHAT a bunch of bull---THESE are TANGOS/RAGHEADS from the MIDDLE EAST not Asian---I also note that they PREYED on "WHITE" girls---most of the middle east and africa do this as "WHITE" girls are prized more than the girls of the same color.
Pakistan is not in the middle east. Pakistan, India etc are asian countries. What an idiot.
Enough already Pretzels,
"Middle East" is not a rigidly defined term and in some contexts Pakistan is included. We don't need the geography police - especially the ones who are wrong.
@-21.1----ASIAN is what I fought in NAM---Pakies and Ganies don't look like and never have looked like an ASIAN---NOT to mention MOST ASIANS are not MUZZIES.OH and another thing AT one time parts of CHINA were referred to as MIDDLE EAST.
AS to your IDIOT remark---I will let that pass this time--
Yeah, the Britts are screwed. They were to politically correct for to long, and now they have an infestation. There will be all out religious war in a modern European country in our lifetime.
there's immigration for you
Why can't the 59 year old be named? WTF?!?!?!
They treat women like dogs and live life like it was 500 years ago. Nothing new here...
Why are they calling these guys Asians? Let's call them what they are, Muslims.
nyteshade!
Because Pakistan is an ASIAN COUNTRY! sheesh
I know that you dip$hit! LOL
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democrats and liberals - do you see what your "everyone is ok", Islam is peace, the white man sucks, etc etcv gets you? Reports from 2008 that no one acted on because they feard being labeled racist. Gotta love that religion of peace and the Politically Correct liberals that let them hids beehind their crimes
Gee rustyowls, you're off your meds early. Why is this a left or right thing? It's about some men who abused children. And yes, both parties use the "racist" label.
its a left thing because the left wants to tell the world islam is a religion of peace - accept it. In pakistan this kind of behavior is STANDARD - not the exception.
rustyowls---- Well yes the Cult of Islam is a religion of Peace, A Piece of ass that is! Why do you think that pervert pedophile Mohammed pulled Islam out of his ass. He wanted to lay pipe with as many girls as possible. Same goes for Joseph Smith, he wanted to bone a lot more women than the law would allow in his day, so this pervert (my personal hero) invents a religion that demands he has 52 wives! Imagine having a different piece of tail every night for 2 months and then starting all over again!
Praise be to Allah and all her wisdom-