Islam is corrupt to it's core.

LMarcT

Agreed we should and must get out of there NOW. It is their civil war, so let them have at it. Personally I don,t care who wins or looses . As far as learning a lesson goes . I,m afraid not . We didn't learn anything from NAM . So we will not learn anything from this mess either .

bob

bob,

Unfortuantely, you're probably right... especially about the lesson. When I said we "might" learn, I was wishful thinking.

Marc

I think the lesson was not for us to learn. I think it was for those who chose to strike at the US using our own planes. I think they learned that if you strike at us, we will occupy your country and kill 10's of thousands of your people and ruin your infrastructure to the point were life is almost unbearable. Then we will leave and give you time to absorb what just happened over the period we where there and decide if you ever want to try something that stupid again. Seems we may have made our point. I do not think they will try that maneuver again.

LMarcT,

I agree. The only thing we will leave with is the same lesson that the Russians learned in the 20th Century and the British learned in the 19th Century.

brenda1964 Problem is that they will not, and have not learned any kind of lesson. They are so used to the 3rd world kind of lifestyle its all they know. As far as the loss of people .They have been killing them selves for years and will continue. Once we finally stop wasting our tax money and get the hell out of there they will go right back to the way they were,only this time they will have training behind them. More than likely there will be even more killing because of that. We have wasted so much money and are going to waste so much more money thanks to this POUS we have.

Plotinus - The war is not against Islam - to make it such is to do exactly what Bin Ladin was trying to accomplish. Are you a fan of his?

Plotinus: Its followers are worse!

Look at the record of its founder and followers.

Afghanistan is corrupt to it's core. The only thing positive we might leave with is a lesson.

That's a novel and romantic notion in THEORY but, given our track record and slow learning curve in this Country, I wouldn't be the farm on it.

you speak like victims of control of opinion. one man leading 18 soldiers abandoned the afghan army to join the taliban. this was possibly a move to save his own behind, since the taliban has dominance over certain areas. Are you seriously this gullible?

"We lost seven men in an ambush when I first arrived at the base," Wali, who commands 18 men, told The Times. "So I thought, why risk my life when there's another way?"

oh, really?

and he spoke exclusively to a BRITISH newspaper that operates behind a paywall. in other words, a news source that charges to inform. exclusivity... british... paywall... riiiiight.

the headline of the article is the main purpose of its existence. it makes you believe the afghan army has made an official merger with the taliban. by the way, such merger would not affect your disoriented lives any more than the vulgarly monopolizing corporate mergers that take place rigth under your noses.

you captive freedom mongers really think we went to afghanistan to free them to be "like you" or to defend ourselves? we went to afghanistan for reasons you cannot digest. stop commenting on what you do not yet overstand.

I think they've found a way to get us out of their country.

You can not force your way of life onto other people. Period.

We attacked them because they were harboring the group that attacked us. It's no more complicated than that. Then we tried to put the country back together again before we left and failed, extending our commitment by years and wasting our money. At this point, all we want is a face-saving exit.

I'm sure we didn't learn any lasting lessons, although we're less likely to invade another country for quite a while, and I'm sure extremist Muslims didn't learn anything either and would love to "invite" us back.

The sad thing is the Afghans could have used this opportunity to modernize their country and join the rest of us in prosperity (recent recession aside). Instead they clung to their tribal backwardness instead of taking advantage of our money. We'd be gone by now and they'd have new infrastructure.

Liam,

So you're saying that a man who resorts to violence to "settle a score" is a "holy man"? And improving his social status by marriage? Should he not have been more concerned with his status with "Allah"? Or is it that Allah ranks us by warrior skills and economic status? Hmmmm..... Maybe our Republicans should convert to Islam. They're beginning to look more and more similar these days.

Couldn't resist myself with that last comment. LMAO

although we're less likely to invade another country for quite a while,

Wanna bet????? The stooges Washington, and those "63% polled" according to an article last week, are already foaming at the mouth for us to go into Iran.

The shrub's wars were ill conceived from the get go. We should have dropped in enough troops and equipment by air to take out bin Laden and his followers, blown it all up and left. Anyone who got in the way should have been dispatched with bin Laden. We trained and armed these people to fight the occupying Russians and they are, and always have been, fight us. It is way past time we got out of there. Let Iran do what it wants with these people. We have never had the obligation, or ability, to influence their governance or safety. By conducting the war without regard for civilian casualties, as the shrub did, we guaranteed they would never cooperate with us. Get out now, completely.

It is a lesson we learn over and over, yet we never remember it. The leaders of this country, no doubt with the prodding of those who see money to be made, continue to waste good American boys, billions of dollars, and the respect of the rest of the world. How stupid they appear, dealing and negotiating with savages and reptiles, making deals and agreements that will never be honored.

Let our military come home and rebuild our crumbling infrastructure. It's really not that complicated. You stay out of the business of others and they will do the same.

Except when it comes to honor killings of female relatives, the word "honor" is not in the Afghan or Islamic vocabulary. Same goes for "agreements" most will be broken before any handshake. That said, I want to see Karzai's throat cut in the Kabul soccer stadium with tens of thousands watching and cheering. It would be appropriate to freeze all of his bank accounts just before we leave . . . any monies were looted from aid programs to start with.

Lol no no no I was merely challenging your timeline of when Islam was founded and when Muhammad became a caravan raider. That's all. I mentioned the marriage only as proof that at the time he was not a brigand. No woman of high social status (and I am talking about the ancient world here) would lower herself to that level. As for any war-mongering Neo-Con...they might actually fancy themselves a Crusader against the Saracens! :)

These dogs can't be taught new ticks. Just shoot them all, before they turn on everybody.

Unfortunately, ORB, they'll never get Karzai in Afghanistan, he'll flee for Switzerland (if we don't give him a mansion in Miami, that is). But the good news from this story...the ones making deals with the Taliban right now will be the first executed when the Taliban take over. The deal-makers are traitors to the Afghan people they were supposed to protect. The Taliban, if they have any brains at all, know that a traitor cannot be trusted not to turn traitor on THEM. After all, they did it once, right? They will suffer a death that will make them examples to anyone who even thinks about turning traitor on the Taliban. They think they are saving their skins and will have an important position with the new rulers, but they will be among the first to get their throats sawed in those stadiums. And they certainly deserve it! And yes, it is also my fervent hope that Karzai is too stupid to leave and they get him too.

There will come a time in the not too distant future when the U.S. troop strength will have been reduced to levels that can no longer maintain a level of security needed to protect the remaining troops.

When that threshold is reached, there will be a humiliating and frenzied withdrawal similar to what happened in Viet Nam.
This is the inevitable result when you have a president that makes decisions for political rather than tactical reasons. After all, Obama says, I'm trying to get re-elected so what are the lives of some soldiers compared to satisfying my Narcissistic personality disorder?

I don't see one reason why we are there. the country is a total waste, always has been and always will be, we should just leave them to their own devices cut them off completely, seize their accounts take back everything they stole from us and walk away. and we should never poke a stick at another wasp hive again just destroy it. to hell with trying to be PC. there are at least 14 countries that the world would be better off without and the number is rising we can't keep going on like this. its not hard to see that the strategy is not working. we are pushing when we should be pulling. just get out and let them sink to their own comfortable level.

The two share intelligence about military operations and plan to loot Nato supply convoys and divide-up the proceeds, the newspaper reported.

Who wudda thought this would happen ?

Time to deploy drones over the convoys and launch a "friendly" missile into anyone suspicious near the convoys.

Corruption is rampart throughout the Afghanistan political and military structure. Sorta reminds me of....yep....you guessed it......MEXICO.

With friends like Karzai and Afghans in general, who needs enemies?

This WHOLE AFGHAN Thing is Sick....aipac - American israeli public affairs committee....Damn You aipac, Damn You.............

Plan an accident for the corrupt dictator Karzai and bring our people home...........It is not good leadership to allow our troops to be a shooting gallery for the Taliban and corrupt Afgan troops.

If you think rebuilding Afghanistan is such a good idea Mr. president, send some of your relatives over there.

Not sure how I will vote between the lesser of the evils come November

How much money is being made in Afghanistan? Then, look at the proximity to Pakistan. Our involvement in the Middle East is interesting, futile but interesting. Oil plays a key role, however, here in the US, we produce the third largest amount of oil on the planet. We don't need oil from outside sources but, somehow, we continue to get oil from those countries. Wonder why?

this isn't about religion or Islam, if it was a country that was filled with buddishts, y'all would be taking down that religion. Afghanistan is about a power struggle between the west and the locals. I'm not sure what there is in Afghanistan that draws Superpowers to that country to fight like animals. in the 1990s it was the Soviet Union who invaded Afghanistan. WHY? Maybe afghanistan has some secret resources like uranium or oil or gold/diamonds who knows. The locals happen to be using their religion as a base of faith to give them internal power to fight and its drawing idiots everywhere to steroetype a religion. Its a cover for whats really happening behind the curtains. Did you know that US spends $280 million dollars PER DAY for all operations in Afghanistan? Who in their right mind would do such a thing without a prospective reward greater than that? Something is not right in this picture and I dont buy what the media tells me

Narcissists cannot learn lessons, they already know everything. Obama fits the complete definition of a narcissist to the tee. Karzi is the ultimate crook, the taliban is just waiting to go back to it's old ways and now we are making deals with them to expedite that.

I wonder if Wali has thought far enough ahead to the time when there are no NATO convoy's to plunder. What does he think the Taliwackers will do then! Does he really believe they will just get jobs and help sustain their economy? Maybe they will allow terrorist training camps there to help support their country! The mentality of these people is a wonder. What the hell are we waiting for. Time to go bye bye. NOW!

The US is entrenched in Afghanistan because of the proximity to Iran and Pakistan. It is a strategic location, the same reason Russia was there and China will follow.

The reasons for remaining there are geopolitical. They include the pipelines, the alliances and the need to prevent certain countries from gaining ascendancy. Central Asia is a critical strategic crossroads, bordering China, Russia, Iran and India. The current goals are aimed at SCO stoppage. It will be interesting, the real reasons for being in Afghanistan have little to do with terrorism and a whole lot to do with mineral wealth, proximity to the Caspian and Indian Oceans, emeging markets in India, natural gas pipelines and attempts to keep certain countries like Iran, China and Russia from gaining footholds there.

It has everything to do with resources, markets, oil, natural gas and mineral reserves and location, location, location.

Maxwelle,

The US is less than 5% of the total world population, yet 80% of the world's pain medications are prescribed in the US. Pain medication is made from opium. Afghanistan is the world's #1 producer of opium.

Interesting numbers. So, are we really that much of a drug addicted country?

The US is less than 5% of the total world population, yet 80% of the world's pain medications are prescribed in the US. Pain medication is made from opium. Afghanistan is the world's #1 producer of opium.

Afghanistan is the worlds largest producer of ILLEGAL opium. Big difference.

The ANSF collusion with the Taliban looks like there won't be civil war. Just the toppling of the Karzai govt at the Taliban's leisure. And the sacrifice of any NATO troops left behind. Don't think NATO will be willing to throw much money into the vacuum of this reality. Not sure why Washington is willing to do this. Is it to try to keep an "open door" for US interests in the region?

Just OneMore opinion.

Nice avatar, dodo ;-)

Indeed, why choose the lesser of two evils?

Softdude 1.21 - Obama has continued the wars Bush started making him just as culpable. Your inability to call a past President by his given name shows a high level of immaturity.

The agreement is simple, kill all the Americans !

We definately need to get out of there before any more American lives are lost. Before my husband's unit or any other unit has to deploy.

Because Saudi Arabia has oil and Afghanistan only has opium.

Saudis, oil companies and their lobbyists decide and hand over action plans to their agents in the US.

Rest are shows and dances and sometimes in circles as in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Because Afghanistan has most of the lithium deposits. Lithium we are going to use in our new super cars to save the Earth. Corruption is a way of life in that part of the world, so nobody get surprised when you hear more of this stuff going on.

We went over there because the Chinese own us and told us to. All you folks that think our corporations got anything, take a good hard look at what foreign companies are operating and have lucrative contracts in Afghanistan. They are not American or even European companies, they are Chinese companies. But I guess when your owner tells you to go do something, like invade Afghanistan, you really don't have a choice not to.

We are there to establish a secure base to get closer to Iran and now even Pakistan.

AND Patriot Chic was right about Obama.

WHY you liberals collapsed her comment I will never know.

The US, Russia, and Britan have all vied for the rock called Afghanistan.

It is NOT for their resources, it is for a land base.

Obama is in campaign mode now and will do anything to make him look better.

He is staying in Afghanistan because he has no choice.

BUT, he will pull just enough troops out to make him look good before election time.

All hell will break loose and either HE or the next president will have to go back in.

Why are We there?? TO PROTECT the natural gas pipeline israel has running thru afghan and pakistan to sell gas to india...Think I am kidding? yahoo or google it; look at the sad TRUTH.

@AE - We are there to make their lives a living hell for as long as we choose and make them realize the consequences of their choices. I think we succeeded.

Cygnus61

You are right on one point a turd is still a turd whether gold, brown or gree. The Democrates did not invade afghanistan, American invaded afghanistan and i might add it was a republic president that made the decision to invade Iraq for some strange reason and he was told prior to his dream about afghanistan, if you break it you own it. Advice that was not taken wisely you turd.

Wow. Topcat50, by "democratize," Cygnus61 meant to begin a democratic government. No one said anything about democrats or republicans. Maybe learn English before posting. Genius.

We won’t be leaving, Mr. Obama just committed us to 10 years, and our people will be around, getting killed for a long time to come.

cygnus, don't categorize, that's not american. what's american is invading countries for a reason unbestknown to the people that are supposed to authorize it: tadaaa! american citizens. in turn, your government scares you into freedom fairy tales to justify their barbaric actions. you eat mcdonalds, you take prescription pills, you finance everything... of course you'll swallow this. not only swallow it, but volunteer to defend it in public internet forums. control of opinion at it's best, americans at their best. you have another reality coming, courtesy of those you so vividly defend. wake up, the MOST AMERICAN thing you could do right now is start QUESTIONING and researching and stop repeating what they tell you like a parrot.

Thank you Beachole could not have written it better!

@beach(hole)

You must have been reading another post, or your reading comprehension must be even worse than your composition. Your goats have wandered off while you were wasting time on the internet, better grab a stick and go round them up. Free/monger, you can help him.

we're not "democratizing" the "undemocratizable" and need to get out because it's not working, if that is what you were implying. unless you were being sarcastic. i don't read sarcasm well.

get out = we agree

why get out = we disagree

we = oppressors

them = victims

you = tool of efficacy for them (referred to as "we" above)

@beachole - I think he means that we are not committed for 10 more years, in fact, he states we are withdrawing in 2014. My understanding is that's 2 more years.

@Beachole

I think we're on the same page, but you seem to think we're not. I'm a Vietnam era veteran, but was fortunate enough not to have been chosen to serve in that God-awful theater of operations. I did, however, spend many nights listening to VVs relate their thoughts and experiences from a "war" that was very much like what we attempt to prosecute in Afghanistan. We don't belong there; we never did. We need to allow countries, sovereign nations like our own, to determine their own destinies. If those destinies conflict with world peace, then, and only then, we need to act swiftly and with utmost force to keep them from creating havoc in the global community.

They are, indeed, victims, but as much from their own actions as ours. That said, there is another agenda here, an evil agenda, one of greed and usury. I wish I could believe that we Americans are the guys with the white hats, the heroes, but my sensibility tells me that is a mirage. What drives things like the "war" in Afghanistan is greed. Imperialist greed that uses the emotions of decent people to accomplish its aims. The Afghans are victims, true, but so are the American people who are losing sons, daughters, fathers, brothers, and friends to this pointless conflict.

I wish the world could live in peace, in friendship; but that wish will not come true as long as those with lust for wealth and power continue to engineer conflict. "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" the line from "Wizard of Oz" goes, and they keep telling us that, but the truth is, we have been, are being, and will continue to be manipulated by the warmongers until we find a way to clean house. Somewhere in time, someone created a poster that said: "What if they gave a war, and nobody came?" It's our choice. Until we decide to cross our arms and just say "No" to war, we'll be having these discussions/arguments forever.

So where do we go from here? It's a Red Pill / Blue Pill decision. Wake up, and make it stop by fighting for sanity, or go back to sleep and let the carnage and the suffering continue. It's our choice. Pick a side, and DO something, because if you do NOTHING, you are helping those who feed off your apathy and complacency. Hint: They trade on the knowledge that you will do nothing, that you will risk nothing, that you will wait for someone else to do it for you. I hope you like being chained to an oar, because that's the future if you sit on your hands.

Nice Leon, try telling that to the families that lost a member of their family trying to bring order to the region.

I do understand your frustration, I really do, but lets not hope for things that make loss of life an act in vain. Lots of people fought and died for a reason many of them unknown to the public but we need to regard their work there as more then just a waste of time.

Nice Philip T Worsman, but if you want lives to not be lost in vain then try keeping people from starting wars that are vain acts.

We accomplished the goal of punishing the Taliban many years ago. Al Queda left Afghanistan. Lives lost since then were a waste. Mr. Worsman confuses wasting good people with lack of respect for loss. Instead, we should care about saving good people for worthwhile ends.

In the great war, US trained Afghan troops and Taliban share 20 percent.

After we leave, the economic aid will continue. Then it will be 100 percent loot!

Afghan troops are fully "trained" and ready to take over!!!!!

Afghan troops are fully "trained" and ready to take over!!!!! That's right and as soon as we leave they will have a new name (Taliban). Trained and armed by NATO. All we are doing is training the next generation of Taliban fighters. We have to get out now. It is no surprise to me that they have their secret little deals going on. The whole country is run on pay offs. That's how they deal with things over there.

If the whole country goes Taliban again it will make targeting simpler.

Bite it, Jim. Bush invaded Afghanistan, and he was right to do so. Obama finished the job (bin Laden) that Bush left him; now it is time to leave that horrid little place and although it is too slow at least it is in process.

NO! John , you bite it. History will not be kind to Obama. Obama will leave his office with this country in worse condition than he found it. Obama promised change and we got sh#t instead.

Even from the state of Texas, no one could possibly be that stupid.

No. Iraq and Afghanistan will go down as Bush's wars, not Obama's. The first was unjustified and does not look to be successful. The second was justified and mishandled by Bush.

Obama's wars are really just one, Libya. Well handled. Too early to judge whether or not it will turn out successfully.

Nope 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Coming from a Texan I am not surprised. A high school diploma from Texas is equal to a 6th grade education anywhere else.

It was BUSH who invaded Afghanistan and let Ben laden get AWAY by his incompetence.

It was Bush who invaded Iraq and we found NO WMDs, again due to his lying and incompetence.

It was Bush who put both of those wars on the national credit card, rememer the Borrow and spend Republcians? Bush saddled the next president with TRILLIONS of dollars in future expenses due to them. We are still paying for those wars and will be for the next decade.

You Retardicans are a joke, your Mexican magic under ware wearing candidate is now trying to take credit for the GM bail out, you creatures are so out of touch with reality it is not even funny.

You and your ilk almost destroyed this country and you want another chance?

@Mark --

All things are a continuum in politics, one event that leads to another. See if this rings a bell:

Earlier today, I ordered Americas armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear,chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.

Their purpose is to protect the national interest of the United States, and indeed the interests of people throughout the Middle East and around the world.

Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons.

--President Bill Clinton (D) December 16, 1998

So, as much as you'd like to blame Bush for everything that transpired in the past 2 decades, the fact of the matter is that the Democrats attacked Iraq for much the same reasons that Bush did-- identical reasons, in fact-- Bush simply finished the job and took Saddam out completely. Now, whether or not that was wise is irrelevant to the point I'm trying to make-- and that's that, politically, these events have been building for a long time. No matter what president was in office, we would have ended up mired in these wars. The extant global events that transpired essentially demanded our involvement-- you may disagree with the execution, but to blame one man for an ongoing scenario of saber rattling that began before he was president is pathetically myopic and obviously partisan.

To address some of your specific points: Bin Ladin got away in Tora Bora because he was a crafty enemy who knew the terrain well and had preplanned his exit strategy-- to blame Bush ignores Bin Ladin's intelligence and tactical skill.

Bush didn't lie about WMDs intentionally. Saddam was the initiator of that lie-- in his final interviews before being executed, he said that he wanted the world to believe that he had WMDs so as not to appear weak to Iran, his greatest rival. He played a very dangerous game of bluff-- and he lost.

The debt incurred by these wars have been stark-- but we've been digging that hole for a long time. You should also remember that Obama not only extended all of those debts, but increased them by more than double. You can't blame Bush for that fault without calling out Obama on it too-- they both spent more than the country could afford and enlarged the national debt & deficit. Remember that Obama campaigned with a promise that he would half the national debt within his 1st four years in office. He did the exact opposite.

And please, don't call me a "retardican" or any other partisan idiocy. I am an independent specifically because both political parties are corrupted, petulant quagmires of disparate ideologies that do not have the best interests of the country in mind. Neither are fit to run this country but most Americans are too dumb to realize that their "team" is just the opposite side of a coin lying in a pile of sh*t.

Yeah Texas sucks..we have more engineers than any other state, more jobs...good paying ones, try looking at Austin. People are moving there by the droves from Ca. for high paying jobs. The biggest problem in Texas are the millions of illegals draining the locals. Try to make it in any other state with sort of drain..ie...California...they are bankrupt...Texas is not. I agree Perry needs to go.

We have no state income tax..zip. We have enough land forever. More farming more of everything that counts. Only attacks on us mean one thing...jealousy..don't like Texas get out and leave us be...we don't need misfit libretards.

mark3766900 did you happen to notice that 4 of the top 15 high schools in the nation are in Texas?

Sounds like a description of early Christianity from a traditional Roman.

While most religions have reformed with time, Islam has fast moved backwards and kept iron clad stranglehold on followers.

Look at the dresses of women!

Examine the fury and riots on cartoons of Mohammad.

In case of other religions, if their priests talk nonsense, there is none to listen.

It is funny that for many centuries Arabs were the keepers of science and mathematics even after they converted to Islam, but then regressed over time instead of progressing.

Jonathan ...

While most religions have reformed with time ...

Most, but not all. Fundie Mormons display all of the characteristics you quoted ... including the violence. (There are fundie Mormon murderers in the Utah State Prison right now.)

I'm convinced that too much religion does strange stuff to your mind.

Anilof,

Could it have been because they had privy to a lot of the knowledge of the ancient world? Location. But yes, we can thank that period of their history for giving europe many of the tools needed for the age of enlightenment.

@Smarg:

Obviously you've never read The Bible. Christians believe it is o.k. to send their virgin daughters out to a bunch of angel-rapers. Christians believe it is o.k. to torture and murder an innocent person if it means the rest of us get away with it. Christians believe women should keep their mouths shut and their heads covered, if they know what is good for them.

Not defending Islam, just saying that all religions are stupid.

What other beliefs from 1,300 to 5,000 years ago do we still hold true today? Hardly any. Why should religions be special?

wtf. Where the hell have u been? Mission Accomplished was "about" Iraq. And that "Mission Accomplished" was a sign that the Navy put up on the ship to declare that THAT particular ships particular mission at THAT time was finished. The MSM media and liberals propagandized it making it sound like Bush said "Mission Accomplished" and fools like u believed it. This war is Obama's as much as Bush's. Get a clue.

Ok, thanks. I see very little of the war in the news. Know that when were in the middle of fighting we would see the caskets come in from the war. That is not on TV, so thought Obama had won that war. Oh well.

Wakani

It was president George Bush that stood on the carrier and said mission accomplish, not President Obama

dummy, he never declared that we had won the this war, he inherited this war and said he would be the troops home which is in the works now. Do you homework before you speak

OK, my bad. I thought that since Obama is Muslim he would want to get out of Muslim wars as soon as he could. I thought he had accomplished that. Sorry.

Now, be fair. Bushie was talking about Iraq. That was why the White House bought the "mission accomplished" banner to drap on the aircraft carrier.

There was a "surge" too! This ended in "apologies."

Iraq war, WMDs, "mission accomplished", "bringing democracy", "reconstruction", "training soldiers" are closed chapter!

New chapters are:

1. Syria. "Innocent children and women" are being killed; "good suicide bombers al-Qaida and Muslim Brotherhood are assisting rebels and will bring democracy by overthrowing autocratic Assad" and so on.

Iran has dangerous levels of WMDs, Ayotollahs are mad people and now time for sanctions on Iranian oil as oil prices are going down.

You can open the Iraqi war chapters, if you forget in between!

You see: Saudis, oil companies, Jewish lobbyists and their agents in the US are pointing in Syria and Iran directions.

In between, if you are eating, as a part of "austerity measures" eat less and in case of sickness bear the pain!!!!!

So forget Afghanistan too!

wakani !!

Your real name must be R. Sole.

Wakani,

You're sadly mistaken. Obama is NOT a Muslim. He's an alien from another galaxy. I thought for sure his big ears would tip you off.

And furthermore, he's the advance guard of a coming invasion. They figured that the best way to take over the world would be to get him elected as the leader of the most powerful nation on Earth. And what better way to do that than for him to pass himself off as a Democrat, because the Democrats are gonna clean house on this next election, including re-electing ol' Big Ears the Alien.

Well, the face of the United States in Iraq was Halliburton, at least in part, so that makes us corrupt. I nominate the Karzai government of Afghanistan for incompetence, but it would seem that the government of Greece is another popular choice. Sort of a "pick'm," maybe. :-)

Paying more for the minerals would be a lot cheaper than the war. However, for those for whom being economical is most important, the best solution might be to kill everybody and annex the real estate. I believe that was Hitler's considered opinion of what to do with Russia during WWII.

Kevin, it is long past the time to just get out.

WAKE UP ! sleepy head. Bush and old Dick has been out of office for over 3 years. Obama & Biteme has the wheel.

Not to mention that Haliburton is a oil company and Afghanistan is not known for its oil. Iraq yes on oil and Haliburton, Afghanistan, nope, try again.

How about Halliburton's contracts to supply the troops? Wherever they are. Or am I mistaken on that?

@Anilof

Haliburton is in a lot of other businesses besides oil. Do some research.

Bigfoot in Mouth.

The Taliban ARE Afghanis. Jeez!

No need to call Afghanis bad names. As we kill off their wives and kiddies, they might even be moved to say "naughty, naughty," or something, about us.

well put, glen scutt... beautiful. vinny, there's an entire change of life for you waiting to be triggered by a message like glen's. i hope you transition well.

That's not what the Dems said when Bush was in office.

Some Dems and a few Reps did say that Big Jim. Just not enough of them. We seem to be insufficiently education here in the USA.

I thought the whole idea was to let the Afghans work out a solution themselves.

Looks like they have.......isn't it sweet that they can come to an agreement?

Bottomcat50 , your muther Obama would not have had a chance to kill Bin laden without the work of Bushco.

Topcat50. Be nice to Americans from Texas. Remember, we share the same country.

Understand that Texans are below average in education and health care and above average in corruption. They need help with their border. Perhaps we could redeploy some of our army from Afghanistan to the Texas border with Mexico to relieve them from that burden so that they can concentrate on their internal problems.

Remember, what is good for Texas is good for the United States; they are part of us.

Topcat50

It took us a 2 years ad 2 months to find and send Bin laden to hell where he belongs, something that your uncle from Texas could not do. Oh do you remember, after 911 we invaded Iraq not afghanistan where we should have been in the begining. Your ego is big but your brain is small as a net.

Cat-

You must be a young punk kid not to remember how it really happened, we invaded Afghanistan in 2001 and Iraq in 2004. Your lies (or maybe its just trepid stupidity) are overly offensive. Do your research before misinforming the other sheep on here!

PS- Who is "WE"? Were you there? Boots on the ground during either the invasion or the occupation? I was. Stop and pull your head out of your fourth point of contact, you might actually learn something!

Um actually Fed Up, we "officially" declared war in Iraq March 20th, 2003. I know this because my unit was there as of April 4, 2003. Sorry you must have had a typo :)

stop being a reactor and give yourself a chance to question what they feed you. "our job"... do you know how you come accross? what's the description of "suspect men" as defined by a country that has stolen all privacy from it's citizens? please inform me eddie from florida, who thinks highly of western "societies", as if not just one big hungry bullying one.