Egypt's elections: A struggle between secularism and political Islam -- and how it may transform the Middle East

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The main candidates, from left: Ahmed Shafiq, Mohammed Mursi, Abdel-Monein Abu al-Fotouh, Amer Moussa and Hamdeen Sabahi.

CAIRO -- The upcoming Egyptian elections have the potential to not only change Egypt, but the entire Middle East. There’s a strong possibility that decades of American policy in the region can be overturned.  The elections have huge implications for the United States and even bigger ones for Israel.  War and peace may be in the balance. 

Here in our Cairo bureau as I listen to the boats float by on the Nile blasting music as revelers enjoy the city before it’s clogged by voting with checkpoints, there’s talk that this could be a moment like 1979 in Iran, a possible 180-degree shift for the country and the Middle East.  I’ll start at what’s immediately coming up.

On Wednesday and Thursday, Egyptians go to polls to elect a new president.  First off, that’s big statement in itself.  Egypt hasn’t elected a truly democratic leader in its 5,000 years of recorded history.  This is the land of the pharaohs, the undisputed and often tyrannical God-kings.  Then it was the land of the Romans, sultans, Mamluks, Khedives, kings, European-dominated governments and finally military rulers. 

There are five main candidates who have a chance of winning the election.  Egypt has a presidential system.  The president runs the state.  Who the president is matters profoundly.  In no particular order, the candidates are:

Mohammed Mursi: Mursi is a leading member of the Muslim Brotherhood.  The Muslim Brotherhood, or the Brotherhood for short, is an Islamic group founded in Egypt in 1928.  It has been pursuing a secret campaign to take over the government since its creation.  The Brotherhood wants a state that is modern, powerful, technologically advanced and Islamic.  The Brotherhood is not the Taliban.  It does not want to ban music and pull girls from school, but it does believe that Islam must be the core of politics and society.  The Brotherhood’s slogan has long been “Islam is the solution.”  In practice that means, if there’s poverty, the Brotherhood will look to Islamic principles of helping the poor to solve them.  The Muslim Prophet Mohammed was a big believer in charity and firmly established helping those in need as a basis of the religion. If there’s disease, the Brotherhood sees Islam and its traditions as having a solution to that too.  In questions of war and peace, the Brotherhood will study Islam and its history to determine if a potential conflict is just and warranted.  For the Brotherhood, Islam is always the solution.  It’s Islam uber alles.  The Brotherhood is a politically astute group.  It is calculating and slow moving, believing that the best way to gain power is by gradually winning political and social influence.  The Brotherhood is the grandfather of nearly all Islamic movements.  It is the mothership from which smaller, often more radical groups were born.  Hamas in Gaza, for example, is a faction of the Brotherhood.   The Brotherhood is also rich.  Its finances are murky and secretive.  The group has wealthy donors, especially in the Sunni Arab Gulf states. 

According to some estimates, the Brotherhood has a million activists in Egypt.  Mursi is the official brotherhood candidate, but would likely end up as the group’s “face man.”  Mursi is not charismatic.  He’s not a dynamic speaker.  He wasn’t the Brotherhood’s first choice.  The group initially wanted its powerful money man Khairat al-Shater, a business tycoon who manages the group’s wealth, to be its candidate, but he was disqualified on account of his prison record.  Egypt’s military-backed presidents, including Hosni Mubarak, imprisoned many Brotherhood members, seeing the group as its biggest existential threat.  Analysts say Shater, the Brotherhood’s supreme guide, and its leadership committee would end up being the real force behind Mursi, pulling the strings. Right after the revolution that toppled Mubarak, the Brotherhood said it would not present a candidate for president, but then broke its promise.  A Brotherhood victory would be a total about-face for Egypt.  Since the late president Anwar Sadat, Egypt has pursued a largely pro-American, Western-leaning policy.  Egypt has maintained a peace treaty with Israel since March 1979, following the Camp David accords.  The Brotherhood has already threatened to cancel the peace treaty if the United States stops providing the $2.1 billion of military and development aid Egypt has received annually since 1982.  The Brotherhood now talks publicly about maintaining good relations with the United States, but at its core the group is not pro-American.  The Brotherhood is actively anti-Israel.  Egypt’s long-term relations with United States and short-term relations with Israel could be at risk if Mursi becomes president.  Egypt is the biggest country in the Middle East.  So goes Egypt, so goes the region.  A dramatic shift in Egypt’s alignment would have global implications.

Photoblog: Egypt prepares for the post-Mubarak presidential era

Abdel Monein Abu al-Fotouh.  Al-Fotouh was a member of the Muslm Brotherhood for decades.  He’s a devoted Islamist.  In fact, he was once of member of the even more radical Gamaa Islamiya (Islamic Group), the same organization of Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, the blind cleric imprisoned in the United States for masterminding the first attack on New York’s World Trade Center in 1993.  Al-Fotouh left the Gamaa Islamiya for the Brotherhood.  He then broke from the Brotherhood after the Tahrir Square revolution.  The Brotherhood promised at the time not to run a presidential candidate.  Al-Fotouh disagreed and launched his own campaign.  His disobedience to the Brotherhood’s orders infuriated group’s tightly controlled hierarchy and Al-Fotouh was expelled from the Brotherhood.  Since the revolution, Al-Fotouh has been trying to appeal to Egypt’s liberals and secularists.  He says he’s still a member of the Brotherhood at heart, but wants a state where religion doesn’t drive all policy.  It’s possible Al-Fotouh has a change of heart.  Many of the Tahrir Square revolutionaries are taking al-Fotouh at his word.  But is he really different, or just changing his tune to appeal to a broader base?   Al-Fotouh, like Mursi, speaks about maintaining good relations with world powers, including the United States.  During his campaign, however, Al-Fotouh called Israel “an enemy state.”  Al-Fotouh is also now backed by hardline Islamists known as Salafists who want to live in a society modeled on the life of the Prophet Mohammed in the 7th century.  The Salafists – many of them still followers of al-Fotouh’s old group, the Gamaa Islamiya --  want to roll back rights for woman and Christians. Critics say al-Fotouh is trying to be a candidate for everyone, telling revolutionaries and secularists he’s become one of them, while also appealing hardcore Islamists. He has tried to appeal to Christians and women by promising that he will consider appointing one of them vice president should he win. A victory for al-Fotouh would be a win for Islamists.  Is he still member of the Muslim brotherhood in disguise?  Would he make peace with the Brotherhood and return to their fold if he became president?  Al-Fotouh likes to say Turkey is example Egypt could follow with an Islamist leader, but without Islamic fundamentalists deciding how people should live their daily lives.  Critics say its sounds good, but that Egyptian Islamists are much more radical than their Turkish counterparts and that it’s hard to imagine that after decades as a dedicated member of the Brotherhood that al-Fotouh could really have changed fundamentally.  The questions about al-Fotouh’s true beliefs are unlikely to become clear unless he wins the election. 

Video: A new role for women in post-Mubarak Egypt

 

Amer Moussa: Moussa is the 76-year-old former Egyptian foreign minister and secretary general of the Cairo-based Arab League.  He is a seasoned and internationally respected statesman.  He’s well known and generally popular in Washington.  Moussa is presenting himself as a steady hand, the candidate who can maintain Egypt’s international relations and not drive the country into isolation or deep into the fold of the Muslim world.  Moussa has said publicly he has no intention of changing or eradicating the Camp David accords with Israel.  He is dedicated to close ties with the United States.  Moussa’s main problem is his association with the former Mubarak regime.  Even though he wasn’t involved in the crackdown and killing of activists during the revolution, he was a key Mubarak associate for decades.  Critics call Moussa part of the “fulool,” a word that meansremnants.”  It is a disparaging term.  It is almost like rubbish or trash.  Critics say Moussa is just another fulool of the Mubarak regime that the revolution swept away.  Moussa’s biggest rivals are the Islamic candidates Mursi and al-Fotouh.  Moussa’s Islamist opponents have tried to depict him as a drinker who is close to Israel and the United StatesMoussa believes Egypt is at a crossroads and that voters can pick him to promote stability or Islamists to change the country’s course in a precarious new direction.

Ahmed Shafiq: Shafiq is the ultimate “fulool” candidate.  He was the last prime minister appointed by Mubarak.  Shafiq was, like Mubarak, an air force commander.  Shafiq still defends Mubarak.  Shafiq is presenting himself as “Mr. Security.”  After the revolution Egyptian police were discredited.  They were seen as the henchmen of the Mubarak regime.  For the past year, the police have largely been absent from the streets.  With the police gone, murder, rape, kidnappings, car-jackings and antiquities’ theft have all risen dramatically.  Shafiq says he’ll restore order in 24 hours.  He’s the strongman candidate.  His message appeals to some Egyptians fed up with the deteriorating security situation.  Critics say the revolution replaced one dictator in Mubarak and that electing Shafiq would simply be bringing in another one.

Hamdeen Sabahi.  Hamdeen Sabahi is popularist.  He appeals to the country’s poor.  Economically, Sabahi is a socialist who sees Egypt’s greatest strength as its legions of rural and urban poor.  Politically, Sabahi is a Nasserist, or a follower of the tradition of the late Egyptian president Gamal Abdel Nasser.  Nasser was a champion of Arab unity and a believer in pan-Arab power.  Nasser firmly believed that if Arabs were to unite, they could become a powerful economic and political bloc that could break free of a Middle East many Egyptians see as dominated by American and Israeli interests.  Nasser was no friend of the United States.  He aligned Egypt with the communist Soviet Union and launched a failed war against Israel.  When Nasser died, his successor Anwar Sadat re-orientated Egypt’s economic and politics policies by building close ties with Washington and forging a peace treaty with Israel.  Sabahi’s victory could mean that Egypt’s four-decade-long Western orientation would shift again, reverting to a populist form of pan-Arabism.   Sabahi has had a recent surge in popularity and was recently supported by 400 famous Egyptian actors, artists, writers and journalists.

On the first anniversary of the uprising that toppled Hosni Mubarak's regime, hundreds of thousands poured into the revolution's symbolic center, Cairo's Tahrir Square. NBC's Ayman Mohyeldin reports.

The likely outcome
What’s likely to happen?  None of the five candidates are likely to win an outright majority when voting closes at 8 p.m. Cairo time on Thursday evening.  To win, a candidate needs more than 50 percent of the votes.  It’s widely expected, however, that each of the five leading candidates will win between 10 to 30 percent of the vote.  Mursi for example could win 20-25 percent, Moussa might take another 20 percent, Al-Fotouh perhaps 20 percent and so on.  Since none of the candidates would have the more than the fifty percent needed for a victory, there would be a run-off. 

The run-off would work as follows:  The two candidates with the highest number of votes -- say Mursi with 25 percent and perhaps Moussa or al-Fotouh or Sabahi with another 20 percent or so – would face each other.  The run-off election would take place on June 16-17.  The winner of the runoff would become Egypt’s next president, starting his four-year term starting on June 30.  Once the new president assumes office, the military council – the leadership committee of generals that has been administering Egypt since the revolution – would dissolve.  Egypt’s first democratically elected president in its history would then run the country and its powerful, US-armed military.

Who’s winning?
Opinion polls have been all over the map.  Many polls put Moussa ahead.  The Brotherhood says Mursi is in the lead.  The polls do not seem reliable.  Political analysts I’ve spoken to believe Mursi, even though he’s uncharismatic, is likely to win enough votes to secure a place in the run-off.  After all, the Brotherhood has a million activists get out the vote, a grassroots support base that’s unmatched by any other candidate.  The run-off, according to some analysts, would therefore be between the Brotherhood’s Mursi and someone else.  It’s anyone’s guess who that someone else might be.  That’s when Egyptians’ will have to make an incredibly important choice.  Assuming Mursi is a candidate in the run-off, analysts say the tale of the tape might be like this.

If the run off is between the Brotherhood’s Mursi vs Amer Moussa or Ahmed Shafiq, analysts predict Mursi would win.  Moussa and Shafiq would simply be too “fulool,” not different enough from Mubarak.  It’s possible, however, the voters could have a change of heart and vote for the promise of stability over the certainty of change.  It’s very hard to predict. 

If the match up, however, is Mursi vs al-Fotouh or Sabahi, analysts say it’s likely Mursi would lose.  The Brotherhood already controls parliament and voters might fear giving the long-banned group too much power.  Again, no one really knows.  What’s certain is that this is a critical time for Egypt, the Arab world, Israel and the United States.  Egypt is at a crossroads.  The path Egyptians chose is important.  Egypt is the most populous Arab nation, the seat of Sunni Islamic doctrine and has tremendous political, religious and social influence on the rest of the region.  For better or worse, it will lead the rest of the Middle East by example.  So goes Egypt, so goes the region.

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Let's see, what radical Muslim group is going to be in charge of Egypt in just a few short years? I can't wait to see Egypt become another cesspool, like the rest of the Arab nations (which Egypt, incidentally is technically not) and follow in their footsteps. Maybe they will follow the advice of the Taliban and destroy the rest of the Sphinx, Napoleon's men only got the face/nose. I think the pyramids should be brought down and everything that shows Egypt's great advances, thousands of years ago, should be wiped out of existence. After all, that is the Muslim fundamentalist way, is it not?

Of course, the Egyptians with functioning brains might (though I doubt it very much) gain control, restore order and total freedom to all Egyptians. Who knows, maybe they can even create the second Muslim state that actually can function in the 21st century and grant freedom to ALL; that would be Turkey.

    Reply#80 - Tue May 22, 2012 3:30 PM EDT

    Story sounds familiar. Us spends billions and billions and billions of dollars to arm and train an Islamic country so they can turn on us. At what point will it stop. Is everyone in Washington really that stupid to keep doing this?

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    Reply#81 - Tue May 22, 2012 3:32 PM EDT

    This headline could as was apply to the US in November. The GOP Taliban vs the Democrats. One party taking have their political positions from the bible. The other believing in individual rights. One party wanting to teach creationism, the other, science. One party allowing gay marriage, the other saying the bible says it's wrong........

      Reply#82 - Tue May 22, 2012 3:36 PM EDT

      That's SO silly. Shows an incredible ignorance.

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      #82.1 - Wed May 23, 2012 2:11 PM EDT
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      I hope the choice made results in peace & prosperity for Egypt & that the entire region will then follow her lead.

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      Reply#83 - Tue May 22, 2012 3:37 PM EDT

      Good luck with that Wallace , I`m 50 years old and no middle east peace yet ...

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      #83.1 - Tue May 22, 2012 4:08 PM EDT

      Wallace...Yes, and, and, the fairy god mother will fly down and, and, and.... Everyone will live happily forever.....and,...

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      #83.2 - Tue May 22, 2012 4:17 PM EDT
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      May Moussa or Shafiq win the Presidency since Muslim Brotherhood issued a fatwa that the greatest sin (punishable in their Sharia law)is to vote for a non-Islamist. http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/Islamic-body-issues-fatwa-against-voting-candidate-who-would-not-apply-Sharia (Panel called The Jurispudence Committe for Rights and Reform) MB,Salafi and Islamic orientation people. MB is also bringing back genital mutilation for women (along with coitus noninterraptus cum cadaveri. One might also note that the State Security Court sentenced 12 Chirstians (Copts)to lifeterm in prison,while acquitting 8 Muslims for the death of 2 muslims when they burnt coptic churches,stores and homes defending themselves from protestors in Minya Province on April 11,2011. Whoever is thinking this is a road to democracy,equal rights for all - the rosy Rosetta Stone of Obama adm. will be in a perpetual nightmare of medieval alchemists to say the least. I feel truly sorry for each and every secular Egyptian,for each and every female Egyptian- and for US Senators,Human Rights claimers to take steps to safeguard all the Christians and Bedouins in Egypt.

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      Reply#84 - Tue May 22, 2012 4:02 PM EDT

      It's way past time to tell them to shove their oil up their Muslim assess and get the hell out their way so they can proceed with their own fatal attraction.

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      Reply#85 - Tue May 22, 2012 4:03 PM EDT

      If you homosexuals think someone Santorum is a problem , go to Egypt and live under the soon to be sharia law !

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      Reply#86 - Tue May 22, 2012 4:04 PM EDT

      I would say the same thing to Christians in American who think they're being persecuted because someone says, "Happy Holidays" or they aren't allowed to say a Christian prayer at a football game.

      Happy Holidays

        #86.1 - Tue May 22, 2012 6:29 PM EDT
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        tO:Jim-769408

        This headline could as was apply to the US in November. The GOP Taliban vs the Democrats. One party taking have their political positions from the bible. The other believing in individual rights. One party wanting to teach creationism, the other, science. One party allowing gay marriage, the other saying the bible says it's wrong........

        GOP Taliban? I like that analogy but it's scary because it's true.

          Reply#87 - Tue May 22, 2012 4:18 PM EDT

          Obama is scarey! Read the Federal Restricted Buildings and Grounds Imporvement Act of 2011..It makes it a FELONY to protest or demonstrate against anyone who has Secret Service Protection..A felony is a minimum of 1 year and 1 day in PRISON and with a felony conviction your life is ruined...The law also violates your fist amendment rights..

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          #87.1 - Tue May 22, 2012 4:45 PM EDT

          Stan,

          Here are some details about that Act. Nothing to be too concerned with. Just make sure you have permission to enter a federal building or grounds...

          "Amends the federal criminal code to revise the prohibition against entering restricted federal buildings or grounds to impose criminal penalties on anyone who knowingly enters any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority. Defines "restricted buildings or grounds" as a posted, cordoned off, or otherwise restricted area of: (1) the White House or its grounds or the Vice President's official residence or its grounds, (2) a building or grounds where the President or other person protected by the Secret Service is or will be temporarily visiting, or (3) a building or grounds so restricted due to a special event of national significance."

            #87.2 - Tue May 22, 2012 5:26 PM EDT

            Dang it! He was really hoping that no one would bother to actually look it up. It sounded so much scarier before you explained it, kind of like, "Obama finds new way to BAN ALL FIREARMS IN AMERICA".

            I got an email from a teabirther relative, "Obama Citizenship case quietly makes it's way to Supreme Court".

            Yeah. I'm sure that would happen "quietly". They're so gullible. I had to point out to him that he had sent me the same email a year earlier.

              #87.3 - Tue May 22, 2012 6:34 PM EDT
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              Yeah, right, secularism in Egypt, I can see it now, with just a slight touch from the bloody hand of Islam. And, they'll be singin' Kum Ba Yah with the Israelis before you know it. Damn, it sounds so good I almost feel like river dancin'!

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              Reply#88 - Tue May 22, 2012 4:26 PM EDT

              Regardless of the outcome, the United States loses an ally in the Middle East. We need to reconsider giving any more aid to Egypt.

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              Reply#89 - Tue May 22, 2012 4:41 PM EDT

              Cant give more aid to Egypt..need to save some to give to Afgahnistan...cira $2Billion a year! That should make the Taliban happy..

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              #89.1 - Tue May 22, 2012 4:47 PM EDT

              I have an idea, how about the U.S. give some aid to another country that sorely needs it and has tremendous debt?-- The United States of America.

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              #89.2 - Tue May 22, 2012 5:19 PM EDT

              Misconceptions Egypt never needed any Aid from the USA that Aid was Given to Mubarak him self not to Egypt .

                #89.3 - Wed May 23, 2012 5:43 PM EDT
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                The Egyptian people sure have a tough decision to make. Who should win their vote - Mohammed, Mohamad, Muhammed, Mohamed or Mohammad?

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                Reply#90 - Tue May 22, 2012 4:49 PM EDT

                Funny stuff.

                  #90.1 - Tue May 22, 2012 5:16 PM EDT

                  A really strong case for the "Wall of Separation" between church and state that Christians hate so much, isn't it?

                    #90.2 - Tue May 22, 2012 6:36 PM EDT

                    Sam - stereotype much. A halo doesn't always mean Christian OK! It's just a sketch by an American artist. Do you have a turban on your head?

                      #90.3 - Tue May 22, 2012 7:00 PM EDT

                      Funny you , Like John or Jon , Juan or Jo blow

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                      #90.4 - Wed May 23, 2012 5:45 PM EDT
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                      Has anyone considered that all of the changes in the middle east are happening by design.

                      Eventually, there will be a major war in the middle east(WW3), involving the islamic culture against the all that are not islamic.

                      Control the the oil supply is the real issue.

                        Reply#91 - Tue May 22, 2012 4:56 PM EDT

                        The Brotherhood has already threatened to cancel the peace treaty if the United States stops providing the $2.1 billion of military and development aid Egypt has received annually since 1982.

                        That statement right there is exactly why A) the Brotherhood should be considered a terrorist organization, and B) we SHOULD cut funding. NO negotiating with terrorists.

                        What a waste of our tax dollars!!

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                        Reply#92 - Tue May 22, 2012 4:57 PM EDT

                        Then we can tell the Muslim Brotherhood that if they cancel the treaty the money that would have gone to them will now go to Israel and we will give free rein to the Israelis to take care of business. But then again....we have O'Bama.

                          #92.1 - Tue May 22, 2012 5:49 PM EDT
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                          Just like Carter stood by while the Islamic radicals took over Iran, Owebama (sic) is standing by while Egypt gets taken over by Islamic radicals as well. Egypt may become the next Iran, another terrorist state.

                            Reply#93 - Tue May 22, 2012 5:15 PM EDT

                            One of the reasons so many Iranians hate us is because we propped up a repressive dictator like the Shah. We tend to do that when it aligns with our economic interests. Freedom and democracy tend to take a back seat. The overthrow of Chile by a U.S. backed junta is a pretty good example. A democratically elected president was murdered with U.S. backing.

                              #93.1 - Tue May 22, 2012 6:46 PM EDT
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                              Once again we have a president in office who is able to shape events towards a positive beginning and what does he do? Sit on the sidelines and let events take a turn for the worst. We still have to deal with Carter's massive bungling. Clinton had a one in a very rare opportunity to bring Russia into the western fold and further the development of democracy in that nation. We could have take out OBL but instead launch cruise missiles at phantom targets. Now O' Bama has let Islamic fanatics come to power in much of North Africa.

                                Reply#94 - Tue May 22, 2012 5:47 PM EDT

                                Let? Hell we started this crap. We have installed just about every government in the middle east. We need to leave these countries the hell alone, and quit pissing money away. These countries have never done anything to the US, yet we feel the need to overthrow any government that does not bow to our economic or political interests.

                                  #94.1 - Tue May 22, 2012 5:58 PM EDT
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                                  Why the he!! are we so worried about israel. Let the Egyptian vote in whomever they want and deal with israel the way they want. OMG the islamophobia on this blog is off the chart. We need to dissociate ourselves from israel, they are not our allies nor our friends. They use us to fight their wars. Last I checked we were called the United States of America not of israel. I am glad Egyptians got rid of that dictator. Power to the peeps ;)

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                                  Reply#95 - Tue May 22, 2012 5:51 PM EDT
                                  Egyptian-American
                                  1- Egyptians want freedom, human dignity and social justice. They want jobs and basic life essentials, education and health care. they want to drive Egypt to become a respected strong member of the world.
                                  2-The photo of Egyptian candidates is biased against Aboulelfoutouh. Aboulfoutouh is a calm medical doctor. and the photos of the candidates suggest that he is the angry one.
                                  3- Aboulfoutouh strength is that he is perceived as honest, compassionate, direct and courageous person. He has been participating in revolution since the first day. he stands for what he believes in, and is not tied to the line of any group. He is a coalition and reconciliation builder. You are not doing the readers any service by suggesting that he is selling double talk to get elected. Aboulfoutouh was never afraid of telling what he thinks is right, as evidence by his talk with Sadat in the seventies, and is still true today, when he does not avoid any reporter question, and gives direct answers.
                                  4- Aboulfoutouh the medical Dr. was never a terrorist. He never participated in violence. The violent group splintered from the umbrella organization jamat islamya in the seventies, he always stood against that violence by that group based in Asyout that destroyed Egypt and escalated outside of Egypt. The way oppressive security based regimes, dealt with that violence has encouraged more and more destruction.
                                  5- The claim "Muslim brotherhood has been pursuing a secret campaign to take over the government" is incorrect. I am not defending that group they can defend themselves. I recommend the chief foreign correspondent of msnbc, who I respect, needs to read more about middle east history and politics, from multiple sources and different points of view.
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                                  Reply#96 - Tue May 22, 2012 7:36 PM EDT

                                  The media said the Arab Spring would revolutionize the Arab world.Now,the same media is telling us the Egyptian election will transform the entire region.The fact,however,is nothing is going to change the Middle East.It will remain as volatile and unstable as before.But this does not stop experts from predicting all kinds of crazy things.

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                                  Reply#97 - Tue May 22, 2012 8:57 PM EDT

                                  The elections in Egypt will set the tone of Arab (and by a larger scope) and Muslim relations with the West and by extension, the US. It is highly likely that the Muslim Brotherhood will get the presidency because they are the most prepared of any of the political and religious groups. Islamic groups hostile to the West and Israel are in power from Mauritania to Egypt and that includes Yemen. If the populations become more hostile to the West, the West will respond with very strict regulations on immigration to their countries. They will also respond with more laws forcing Muslims to conform to the secular laws of their nations.

                                  If the Egyptian miliitary nullifies the results by not disbanding their ruling body, then all out civil war could result. I sincerely hope ( and I know I am not the only one) that Amer Moussa gets in. But there seems to be a strong anti-western feeling that the Muslim Brotherhood is keeping alive.

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                                  Reply#98 - Tue May 22, 2012 9:22 PM EDT

                                  geowil the salem witch trials was NOT the long arm of the vatican punishing women the puritan colonist were in no waay aligned with rome they used a difrfrent bible they were puritans not catholics they were annabaptist lots of difrences in fact in all the colonies in the early 1600s hung catholics who had the misfortin 2 make land fall there the last hanging in boston was the 1740's i belive of 6 spanish fishermen sunk off new foundland and drifted south and west 2 land around boston 2 their misfortune oh and there tounges were cut off so they could utter no as they called "papist dogma"

                                    Reply#99 - Tue May 22, 2012 10:27 PM EDT

                                    Why we all the people of the ( USA ) are so interested in Egypt elections or others in the Middle East why do we car so much ,Ahhhhhhhhh the reason is simple Zionist ISRAEL , The fact is the USA Can not protect Israel any more because simply America is paying our tax dollars to this disgusting Zionist Israeli Gang who dose not respect no one even the hand that feeds them i mean the USA .

                                      Reply#100 - Wed May 23, 2012 10:51 AM EDT

                                      Blame Isreal for everything crowd are roaming here. Newflash, no matter what you think of Isreal, it has nothing to do with elections in Egypt however they are an easy scapegoat some Egpytian politicians use for their OWN internal problems

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                                      #100.1 - Wed May 23, 2012 12:11 PM EDT

                                      Actually the American governments use Israel to justify the mess they are in , Our Tax $$$$$ go to them

                                      and yet what we get in return ?? Big fat ZERO

                                        #100.2 - Wed May 23, 2012 5:48 PM EDT
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                                        MSNBC is not a trusted news source especially in the Middle East

                                        http://topics.dallasnews.com/article/0dsoauWdVk0hc?q=Egypt

                                        Inshalla, there will one day be better reporters hired at MSNBC

                                          Reply#101 - Wed May 23, 2012 12:08 PM EDT

                                          Kurt...It is not just the reporters ...It is the indoctrination of the whole system...The major TV networks and the suppliers of their informatio(opinion/attitude).

                                            #101.1 - Wed May 23, 2012 4:05 PM EDT
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                                              Reply#102 - Wed May 23, 2012 3:30 PM EDT

                                              according to obama the so called muslim brotherhood who call for the destruction of israel are just puff balls and not to worry. well all those faces have connections to them. now 6 months down the road when the euphoria wears off and they start screaming for the destruction what does america do? we helped the begining of the radicalization of the middle east. if the puff balls turn into urchins .

                                                Reply#103 - Wed May 23, 2012 7:11 PM EDT

                                                To understand the broad mideast and by that I mean the primarily muslim wolrd from Iran to Morroco the media and the American public need to clearly distinguish the Arab ethnic grouping from the other ethnic groups. Arabs were the Bedouin tribes of the Arabian peminsula and their area was from Sinai to Iraq with a central political focus in Damascus and Bagdad. Turks were in Anatolia region, Persian in present day Iran, Egyptians in the Nile region and the smaller groupings across North Africa. Each group has a long and distinct history, were subject to numerous invasions and integrations with larger empires that came and went. While Islam has given these groups a common framework for religious beliefs it, like the Christian religion, has not united them politically or culturally. Egyptian, Turkish and Persian influence is based on their large populations. Arab influence is outsized in the Western mind because of oil wealth and the presence of Israel. There are many divisions within these broad categories. All this shows is the immense complexity that will defy any effort at saying anything general about the mideast other than "its complicated".

                                                  Reply#104 - Wed May 23, 2012 11:20 PM EDT
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