'We want to live ... like human beings': Egyptians vote in first democratic presidential election

NBC's Richard Engel talks about the importance of Egypt's first Democratic presidential elections since the fall of Hosni Mubarak.

Updated at 11:15 a.m. ET: A dying man came "for my children," a college student said he finally felt "like a citizen of this country," and an undecided voter was just happy to take part in "a historic" moment.

Egyptians turned out in droves Wednesday to take part in the country's first-ever democratic election of its leader.


Fifteen months after the ouster of Hosni Mubarak during the Arab Spring uprising, BBC News reported lines began growing at many polling stations shortly after they opened at 8 a.m. local time (2 a.m. ET).

"It's a very big day. This is a real great moment for the Egyptians to change,” a woman waiting to vote in Cairo told the BBC. Another in the line was asked how long she’d been waiting to vote; she laughed and said, "30 years."

Yasmina Muslemany / NBC News

Law student Shaimaa Magdy (left), said she was voting for leftist Hamdeen Sabahy because "I want someone new, with new ideas, I want him to care about the youth, to care about the economy and the poor." Iman Moustafa backed the same candidate saying he was "honest in his words and actions; he was jailed a lot and he worked a lot against injustice."

President Jimmy Carter is in the country as part of an international delegation monitoring the election, the UPI news service reported.

"Egyptians cheer "Jimmy Carter! Jimmy Carter! Welcome to ‪#Egypt‬!" When former President comes out of polling station," BBC correspondent Lyse Doucet said in a tweet.

A police officer in Cairo said voters had been asking him all morning "Who do you like?" But he said "I tell them, 'You must decide,'" the BBC reported on Twitter.

Medhat Ibrahim lined up to vote in a poor district south of Cairo despite having cancer.

"I can die in a matter of months, so I came for my children, so they can live," he tearfully told The Associated Press.

More photos: Egyptians turn out in droves to vote in historic election

Mubarak ruled Egypt for some 30 years – earning the nickname “Pharoah” – and elections during that time were thinly attended and any result was a foregone conclusion.

The election will determine who will take over from generals who have overseen a transition marred by violence, protests and political deadlock. They were due to formally hand over power by July 1.

Yasmina Muslemany / NBC News

Accountant Hossam Mohamed Diab (left) said he was voting for Islamist candidate Mohamed Mursi, saying he was "well educated" and has "a lot of life experience" "Hopefully he can build consensus between the people's assembly and the ruling authorities," Diab said. Khaled Ahmed backed leftist Hamdeen Sabahy, saying "he's one of us, he's one of us who was in the square [Tahrir Square during anti-Mubarak protests]."

The BBC reported that a police sergeant died after being shot during clashes between rival supporters in Rawdh al-Faraj Tuesday evening and said in a tweet that 10 people had been injured in election-related incidents, citing the ambulance authority.

Egypt's elections: A struggle between secularism and political Islam

Some voters held out hope the change to a democracy would bring profound change.

"We want to live better, like human beings," Ibrahim, a 58-year-old government employee, told the AP.

“Our vote will make Egypt's voice in the Arab world ring loud and clear," Saad Abed Raboh, a civil servant in his mid-50s voting in Alexandria, told Reuters. "For 30 years Egypt's vote was muted, but now it will be heard because Egyptians will choose their president."

Photoblog: Egypt prepares for the post-Mubarak presidential era

And Ahmed Ali, a student of pharmaceutical studies in Alexandria, Egypt's second city, told Reuters that “the experience [of voting] is quite new and makes me feel like a citizen of this country."

But others simply came along to take part in a momentous occasion.

"I will vote today, no matter what, it is a historic thing to do, although I don't really know who I will vote for," Mahmoud Morsy, 23, told Reuters. He then said he would probably pick the Muslim Brotherhood's candidate, Mohamed Mursi.

Amr Abdallah Dalsh / Reuters

Egyptian presidential candidate Amr Moussa (second right) waits in line before casting his vote at a polling station in Cairo Wednesday.

The wide-open election pits Islamists against men who served under deposed leader Hosni Mubarak.

NYT: Egypt votes in historic election as crime wave, not revolution, becomes main topic 

Voters were blitzed by three weeks of official campaigning, which ended on Sunday, and Egypt held its first U.S.-style televised presidential debate. Newspapers carried interviews and campaign ads. Banners and posters festoon the streets.

Egypt's first televised presidential debate thrills viewers

Although official campaigning was over, candidates made a final push to get out the vote. Half a dozen minibuses plastered with "Yes to Amr Moussa" – the former Arab League chief bidding for office – offered free rides to polling stations.

None of the 12 candidates is expected to get more than half the votes and win outright in the first round on Wednesday and Thursday, and a run-off between the top two is likely in June.

Read more on Egypt from NBC correspondents

Whoever wins faces a huge task to deliver changes that Egyptians expect to relieve a grim economic outlook. The military that was a pillar of Mubarak's rule is likely to remain a powerful political force for years.

The army, whose senior ranks control extensive commercial interests, insists it does not want to hang onto power.

"With these elections, we will have completed the last step in the transitional period," General Mohamed el-Assar told a news conference on the eve of voting.

The West, long wary of Islamists, and Israel, worried about its 33-year-old peace treaty with Egypt, are watching to see if proponents of political Islam add to their gains after sweeping most seats in a parliamentary vote that ended in January.

Many Gulf states are concerned about who will lead the regional heavyweight after their long-time ally Mubarak was ousted. Their conservative monarchies have so far emerged from a wave of Arab uprisings relatively unscathed.

The Brotherhood's Mursi, trying to allay such worries, pledged in a final rally on Sunday that "we will not export our revolution to anyone.”

Video: A new role for women in post-Mubarak Egypt

Mursi was pitched into the race at the last minute after the Brotherhood's first-choice candidate was ruled out. He may lack charisma, but he can rely on the Brotherhood's vote machine.

Among the voters Wednesday, Mahmoud Ahmed told NBC News that he backed Mursi "because his project is Islamic." "I hope that someone comes and governs us with the book of God. We won't find justice except in the book," Ahmed said.

Mursi's rivals include Abdel Moneim Abol Fotouh, an Islamist who has drawn support ranging from liberals to hardline Salafi Muslims; Moussa, who was foreign minister before moving to the Arab League and has strong name recognition; and Ahmed Shafiq, Mubarak's last prime minister, who like his former boss, once commanded the air force.

Nabeya Ahmed told NBC News he backed Moussa. "They say he's good and he knows politics well," Ahmed said.

A late surge helped Hamdeen Sabahy, a leftist inspired by Gamal Abdel Nasser, whose "Free Officers" overthrew King Farouk in 1952 and set up the system that has put military men in the presidency for the past 60 years.

Reuters and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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I hope Jimmy Carter plans to come to the US this November to monitor our elections too.

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#1 - Wed May 23, 2012 5:41 AM EDT

Yeah the worst President we ever had!

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#1.1 - Wed May 23, 2012 6:10 AM EDT

Naaaawww-----The worse president we ever had is currently in office.

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#1.2 - Wed May 23, 2012 6:40 AM EDT

Attacking Obama. I see that there are low information voters on this thread already.

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#1.3 - Wed May 23, 2012 6:46 AM EDT

Gee, the worst President ever?

How about somebody who was sworn in with a balanced budget, peace and a strong economy and left office amidst ballooning deficits, with two wars raging, one avoidable, the other neglected, ...and a cratered economy.

How any president of recent memory can be thought of as worse than George W. Bush is beyond rational explanation.

Carter and Obama? One is a distant second. The other is not even the running for this laurel of shame.

When it comes time to carve George W. Bush's image on some mountain, let it be a mountain of calcified horse manure.

  • 26 votes
#1.4 - Wed May 23, 2012 6:50 AM EDT

Yep. I think Bush trumps any discussion of "worst"... at least based on shear results.

Go to Afghanistan? Great! We're with your Prez! But not funding or finishing it will forever haunt us... it still is today.

Go to Iraq? Seriously? WMD's? You swear? Okay, then. But lying to started it and, again, never funding it will haunt us for decades.

Homeland Security? To combat terrorists, of course! We're behind you... get those sombitches! Oops... forgot that damn "funding" thingy, didn't we?

Medicaid? No funding.

Tax cuts? Weeelllllll, okay, but... no offsetting cuts? What, you say? "Deficits don't matter"!

I'm so glad deficits never mattered while we had Bush, because it's a lot more stressful under Obama since they've gone from "don't matter" to "that's ALL that matters".

And BTW, Obama's deficits? Yep. Bush deficit leftovers plus $500 Billion in less revenue from the failed economy... from Bush.

But we ARE recovering now. Despite our friends on the right in Congress blocking everything that promises and creating everything that destroys. And our media? The 24/7 all media barrage on our senses by FOXnews and their radio and internet affiliates boggles the mind and crushed consumer confidence.

We'll make it no matter who gets elected in November... but who exactly benefits from it will be in question.

  • 17 votes
#1.5 - Wed May 23, 2012 7:21 AM EDT

LmarcT- You thinks so bad of Bush, Well At least Bush didnt kiss butt to terrorist groups like the Muslim Brotherhood who've been visiting Obama and making deals. At least Bush didn't knock this country and put us down in front of the Arab world. I disagreed with Bush on Iraq war which left a huge door open fro Iran but Obama made it worse with Egypt, Lybia and as for Afghan or Pakistan I am so against given aid to these countries. Charity begins at home not to the Muslim world who hates us and wants us Americans killed.

  • 9 votes
#1.6 - Wed May 23, 2012 7:40 AM EDT

No it was Reagan that kissed terrorist @$$. Obama just kills them.

  • 15 votes
#1.7 - Wed May 23, 2012 8:18 AM EDT

BBYANKO - Do you remember Reagan's "arms for hostages" deal?

That was a french kiss to the back end of the Iranians.

I guess some people remember what they want to, and forget the rest

...like the killing of Osama bin Laden.

...or the fact that Iran appears to be giving ground on non-proliferation issues.

  • 11 votes
#1.8 - Wed May 23, 2012 8:36 AM EDT

Jimmy Carter was a good president, and is a man of great character. Definitely NOT our worst president

  • 15 votes
#1.9 - Wed May 23, 2012 8:44 AM EDT

Yep. I think Bush trumps any discussion of "worst"... at least based on shear results.

Go to Afghanistan? Great! We're with your Prez! But not funding or finishing it will forever haunt us... it still is today.

Go to Iraq? Seriously? WMD's? You swear? Okay, then. But lying to started it and, again, never funding it will haunt us for decades.

Homeland Security? To combat terrorists, of course! We're behind you... get those sombitches! Oops... forgot that damn "funding" thingy, didn't we?

Medicaid? No funding.

Tax cuts? Weeelllllll, okay, but... no offsetting cuts? What, you say? "Deficits don't matter"!

I'm so glad deficits never mattered while we had Bush, because it's a lot more stressful under Obama since they've gone from "don't matter" to "that's ALL that matters".

Sorry, but you're wrong. I'll let you in on a little secret. EVERY president elected has been worse than the one before, with the exception of Carter, and mebbe Lincoln.

George Bush (before my time) had a war on drugs, which targetted countries for their use of cocaine. I did some research. The coca plant, along with a dangerous drug, is actually a useful medicine against altitude sickness. Let's think about this when we invade some small villages who happen to be growing coca leaves, who are "so obviously part of the drug trade."

Clinton left the office with accusations of adultery. I didn't find him a terribly bad president, but I can't remember having any decent jobs during the time either ("it's the economy stupid," but well, the economy wasn't on my side).

Bush? Yes, he may have caused recession and debt. He spent hundreds of millions playing shell games with the Muslims for WMDs, and his entire campaign trying to redeem his Daddy's honor. Lest we forget, the Patriot Act (which is pretty much martial law, in terms of invasion of privacy and stripping of personal freedoms), was signed into existence here. This marks the beginning of the end for basic American freedoms. It was along this point I decided to stop voting.

Obama? What hasn't he done?!? The guy is a liar from the start, telling people he's born in Hawaii. I've seen the certificate. It looks xeroxed from a book (there are copy lines at the left edge of the document). In order to end a recession on paper, he plunged us into trillions of debt in reality. He continued a war to the ten-year mark that he promised to stop when he took office, just so he could claim to have killed Osama (oh, but we have no idea if he's lying because we can't see the actual pictures). He without polling anyone tried to approve a medicare system, that will not allow but FORCE everyone to have insurance. Allowing it would be great, govt spends our tax money and gives us baseline insurance. Nope, instead, it's an actual CRIME to not possess medical insurance (I never set foot in the doctor's office). I have no grief with gay marriages, but given his nature, he'll try to make it so priests who have strong moral objections to it (which is a standard right in America, that priests can refuse any marriage, on grounds they give) are required to perform such weddings.

Every president has been worse than the one before, except Lincoln and Carter. Egypt is not doing any favors by having a free election, where they'll likely vote Muslim and have people terrorized for their different religions. Whatever system they had before was pretty good, if you ask me.

Lincoln broke the countries free and slave states, outlawed slavery, and proclaimed the slaves free, and worked to improve the country after the war. Carter was a peanut farmer, signed in because of the corruption of people like Nixon. Whatever bad you say about him, he left the country in a better state than that cad, and continues to "wage peace" as he calls it. And I'm understating, there's a whole page about him under CNN called President, Peacemaker, Peanut Farmer.

  • 2 votes
#1.10 - Wed May 23, 2012 9:03 AM EDT

So a thread that should be about the Egyptians going to vote after an uprising is hijacked by self centered Americans. I cannot say that I am surprise, since staying on topic is very hard for us to do in this country.

Now onto the topic at hand: No matter the outcome of this election, it's wonderful to see people turning out to vote in any country without fear of being killed. I know the process will not be perfect, but let's hope it's a start to something special in the region. I know there is little chance of separating religion from their elections, but I am hoping they will govern fairly as possible in the eyes of their people.

  • 13 votes
#1.11 - Wed May 23, 2012 9:19 AM EDT

My prediction is that the Muslim Brotherhood candidate will win the final showdown in a few weeks, and then they will form a strict Islamic government, and then change the rules to make sure that they stay in power by restricting which candidates will be allowed to run for office in the future.

In effect, Democracy as we know it will cease to exist in Egypt. Unfortunately, it will also greatly increase the chances of war with Israel, which the Muslim Brotherhood would like to destroy. It will also result in the severe persecution of the 10 million Coptic Christians in the country.

I guess this is more of that "Change we can Believe in" that Obama promised.

  • 5 votes
#1.12 - Wed May 23, 2012 9:34 AM EDT

Just like obamas plan!

  • 5 votes
#1.13 - Wed May 23, 2012 9:37 AM EDT

it is their country. not the 51st state of the usa. they can pick whomever they want. i am sure we can deal with it, just as the world deals with our own bizarre picks.

  • 5 votes
#1.14 - Wed May 23, 2012 9:44 AM EDT

roy

10%of the population is christian or about 8 million people.

and ''democracy as we know it will cease to exist in egypt''. when was egypt EVER democratic?

they THE PEOPLE can always take control, in another revolution! maybe this time they will get it right; the first one was just for practice!

  • 3 votes
#1.15 - Wed May 23, 2012 9:52 AM EDT

Hope people remember Vietnam. It took about two decades to recover.

Bushes (Sr and Jr) with their Iraqi wars, oil price manipulations and Afghan war have messed up more than Vienam.

Now there needs to "rings around Greece" and slowly expanding to "rings around Europe."

US can borrow from whoever gives and print notes!

Within a short period of three and half years what Obama can do?

He should remove sanctions on Iranian oil and reduce oil prices.

If oil prices continue to rise higher and higher, then it will be bigger mess!

  • 1 vote
#1.16 - Wed May 23, 2012 9:56 AM EDT

dman-353357 "How any president of recent memory can be thought of as worse than George W. Bush is beyond rational explanation."

I love it how some people 'blame' Bush for what happened at the end of 2008 while ignoring the role of the Democratic Congress over his last 2 years - Remember, Congress sets the legislative agenda, and it was the Democrats that refused Bush's attempts to restrict sub-prime lending practices at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Congress also had oversight authority over Wall Street, and failed.

Let's look at the average 'Misery Index' that Jimmy Carter used to get elected in 1976. It's the combination of the Unemployment Rate and the Inflation Rate, since increases in those two broad measures reflect more misery on Americans. According to the link below, Bush had the second BEST record over the last 40 years at 8.11% (close to Clinton's best at 7.80%).

Carter was worst with an average of 16.26% (it got to 21.98% just before the 1980 elections). Obama got to almost 13% in September of last year, and if he gets reelected and inflation starts, he could easily surpass Carter.

Here's the link;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misery_index

By the way - If we also included Interest Rates in the Misery Index calculation, G W Bush would actually be the BEST PRESIDENT over the last 40 years, since Bush's average Interest Rate (on the National Debt) was significantly better than Clinton.

  • 3 votes
#1.17 - Wed May 23, 2012 9:57 AM EDT

"We want to live like... human beings"

Well according to Islam, one cannot be a virtuous human being unless one is Muslim so ultimately Egyptians will vote for the candidate who strokes their fanatical ego the most. Mohammed Musri of the Brother will eventually win, even though Amer Moussa would be the least radical. The cost to the US for elected Egyptians to behave like human beings - $2.1 billion annually.

  • 3 votes
#1.18 - Wed May 23, 2012 9:57 AM EDT

Thanks to the support of this administration who pave the road for the Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt will have another government like Iran, lead by radical Muslims that hate the Jews and Western values. Good job Pres. Obama you unleash the beast.

BUDAPEST, Hungary (The Blaze/AP) — The Obama administration is reaching out to the Muslim Brotherhood in a “limited” effort to build ties and promote democratic principles ahead of Egypt’s upcoming parliamentary and presidential elections.

“We believe, given the changing political landscape in Egypt, that it is in the interests of the United States to engage with all parties that are peaceful, and committed to non-violence, that intend to compete for the parliament and the presidency,” Clinton told reporters at a news conference.

The Brotherhood favors a regime guided by Islamic Sharia law and was outlawed under former strongman Hosni Mubarak. It also reportedlybirthed the major terrorist group, Hamas.

Israel is wary of any engagement with the Muslim Brotherhood because of the hostility some of its members have expressed toward the Jewish state.

What call my attention is that Egyptians have to SHOW their ID , something that Democrats oppose because it favor of discrimination.

  • 4 votes
#1.19 - Wed May 23, 2012 10:09 AM EDT

PAUL in chicago-1569139 "roy...10%of the population is christian or about 8 million people..and ''democracy as we know it will cease to exist in egypt''. when was egypt EVER democratic?"

We'll 'split the difference' - according to Wikipedia, Egypt has about 90 million people, and an estimated 10% are Christian. Thanks for the correction.

As for 'democracy' in Egypt, you are correct - there has never been democracy in Egypt, but it appears that this election may well be the first - and last, if I'm right about the Muslim Brotherhood winning and changing the rules to stay in power - which was my point.

  • 2 votes
#1.20 - Wed May 23, 2012 10:28 AM EDT

LMarcT

and all the other Obama supporters support the contention of those who have been decrying our school system brain washing for years. The teacher in SC who actually told one of the kids who disparaged Obama that he could be arrested for saying bad things about Obama is proof postitive. Now the brainwashed are indoctrinating the little ones. ABO

  • 4 votes
#1.21 - Wed May 23, 2012 10:41 AM EDT

I'm sure the fix is in. The Muslim Brotherhood has already been honored guests (unanounded in the liberal media) at our Whitehouse. Democracy? Afraid not. Another Muslim country run by the likes of Hesbolah.

  • 2 votes
#1.22 - Wed May 23, 2012 10:42 AM EDT

LOL ....headline...'We want to live ...like human beings'...while women's faces are covered...

  • 3 votes
#1.23 - Wed May 23, 2012 10:44 AM EDT

redvirginia

It is really interesting that the Egyptians have to show I.D. to vote, and for good reason. Lots of infiltrators from other Muslim countries would love to influence the outcome of this election. The same is true here that lots of the dead people still registered will somehow show up at the voting booths without I.D.. It is painfully obvious Obama and his goons want this election to be run like the typical Chicago election where they have interviewed illegal aliens who voted in the last election because someone took them to register and they "didn't know they shouldn't vote". Every state needs to institute voter picture I.D., the poor have no problem doing that if it means getting a government check.

  • 3 votes
#1.24 - Wed May 23, 2012 10:46 AM EDT

Hey, how 'bout them Gyptians?

  • 1 vote
#1.26 - Wed May 23, 2012 10:52 AM EDT

Oh yes lets all worry about the muslim brotherhood. When we should be worried about the GOP getting elected and wanting to finger every vaginal track in America for inspection, deny birth control and cry about welfare and abortion in the name of Christ. I guess one mans radical is another one's national pride. what a bunch of troll's.

  • 3 votes
#1.27 - Wed May 23, 2012 11:17 AM EDT

Roy Wilson is a PAID blogger by the GOP, He only comes on to criticize President Obama, If you look up some of his posts even if it has nothing to do about politics he will ...... wait for it........ you guessed it.... Criticize President Obama, My recommendation put him in the ignore column or don't pay him any attention,

  • 2 votes
#1.28 - Wed May 23, 2012 11:59 AM EDT

Was Carter in Iraq when they got to vote after being held and tortured for decades by SH ? BTW, nobody likes Carter and that includes all living presidents. There is a reason. That being said, I have bought all his books and really enjoyed them. Carter, the person, I find mean and vindictive, which is the worst thing I can say about another person. As a past president, he was awful, but as with all presidents they do some things fairly well and other things not so good. Overall, like Obama, Carter is extremely stubborn and refused to listen to others that disagreed with him. Obama is Carter ten fold.

  • 2 votes
#1.29 - Wed May 23, 2012 12:10 PM EDT

Muslims have about as much use for Democracy as they do for education and technological advancement.

And anybody calling Bush the worst needs to take a close look at what the current clown has done to the economy in his wake. Bush may be bad, but the liberal solution will end up being 5 times worst.

  • 3 votes
#1.30 - Wed May 23, 2012 12:14 PM EDT

I am 50 plus years old and I have seen some Presidents in my lifetime and BUSH by FAR is the WORST in my lifetime, 2 Wars unpaid for, Tax Break for the Rich unpaid for, Medicare plan B giveaway unpaid for, and you think Obama is bad? Just because Obama comes into Office does not mean the Bills stop being paid because of previous Presidents Drunken spending spree, Obama had to agree to the Republicans demand for tax extension for the rich so the unemployed middle class could get unemployment extensions, because the economy fell off the Cliff in Bushs last 8 months in office we were losing a MILLION JOBS a Month....... Jezzzzz some of you people are really un-AMERICAN

  • 2 votes
#1.31 - Wed May 23, 2012 1:45 PM EDT

Roy Wilson,Your one of the few commenter's here that knows what he's (or she) talking about. Kudos's!!

Sayyid Qutb will have his say finally in Egypt and the next thing you know Ayman al-Zawahiri will be invited back and approx. 10 million Egyptians can kiss their asses goodbye. The Brotherhood will do to the non-Muslim Egyptians exactly what the Ayatollahs did for the Bahia and other non-Islamic groups in Iran.

Anyone who thinks whats happening in Egypt, first of all is democratic, and secondly isn't going to lead to wholesale persecution and bloodshed is either incredibly naive, or even more so just plain stupid.

The supposed Arab Spring is sprung from the get go because it represents a descending staircase straight to hell for it's citizens whom are non-Muslim and despotism, subjugation, and degradation for those whom are Muslim but not connected to the Brotherhood. Islamists represent the worst that human kind has ever developed. It's a radical mix of bigotry, fanaticism, racism, and egocentric corruption veiling itself as a "pure " form of whats already the most exclusionary of the major religions. Islamists wish only death and destruction for all whom are nonmembers regardless of religious affiliations.

  • 1 vote
#1.32 - Wed May 23, 2012 1:56 PM EDT

Egypt votes in first democratic presidential
election

Now this is an oxymoron at its best.

  • 1 vote
#1.33 - Wed May 23, 2012 2:00 PM EDT

I love it how some people 'blame' Bush for what happened at the end of 2008 while ignoring the role of the Democratic Congress over his last 2 years - Remember, Congress sets the legislative agenda, and it was the Democrats that refused Bush's attempts to restrict sub-prime lending practices at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Congress also had oversight authority over Wall Street, and failed.

Roy, the Democrats gained control of both houses in january of 2007, following the 2006 elections. By this time the issue surrounding sub prime mortgages, fanciful financial instruments, and the wobbling auto industry were already ticking away like time bombs. The summer of 2008 was just the moment every one suddenly noticed that, like Wiley Coyote, our economy was standing on about 2 vertical miles of open air.

Barney Frank garners a lot of flack for Congress's failure to reign the excesses of the housing market. But he did not attain chairmanship in the relevant house committee until January of 2007.

What were the Republican's doing while they held the majority in Congress? We're they too busy, too stupid or too cowardly to fight for tighter regulations?

If you're in charge, the buck stops with you, and Bush and the GOP were definitely in charge for the first 6 years of the Bush Presidency, yet somehow, to some people, everything which went wrong was due to the big bad Democrats.

Yeah, right.

    #1.34 - Wed May 23, 2012 4:54 PM EDT

    The good news is the worst president in U.S. history, just below Carter, will be voted out of office this November. That will demonstrate to the new voters in Egypt just how important it is to exercise their right to vote.

      #1.35 - Wed May 23, 2012 5:28 PM EDT

      WORST?! You can say Obama sucks, and I'd agree with you, but he can't possibly be worse than George W. Bush. Have you forgotten him already?

        #1.36 - Wed May 23, 2012 7:27 PM EDT

        Bushes, oil companies, lobbyists, their Republican agents, Jewish lobby agents like Clintons, manipulators like bankers, future traders, Wall Street can jump as high as they want.

        US will not be able to repeat Iraqi WMD business in Iran.

        Even for withdrawing from Iraq after two wars, there had to be huge forces to support withdrawals.

        In Yemen, drone could not eliminate the suicide bomber who just killed 90 plus soldiers and injured more than 200.

        Better anticipate the realities before it is too late. Remove the sanctions on Iranian oil and bring down prices.

          #1.37 - Wed May 23, 2012 10:48 PM EDT
          Reply

          Wow, where were the ACLU when they were made to show their ID. If Egypt can demand ID to vote then the U.S.A. should be able to require ID to vote.

          One illegal vote is too many as far as I am concerned.

          • 7 votes
          Reply#2 - Wed May 23, 2012 6:09 AM EDT

          This vote may turn out to be largely meaningless. The Egyptians are electing a president when they do not even have a constitution yet that defines what powers that president will have. With the Islamists in control of the parliament and largely in control of the writing of the constitution one thing is certain, if an Islamist candidate wins then the president may have some power and if one of the secular minded candidates wins the odds are that the president will be relegated to a largely symbolic role with no real power. If a secularist wins the odds are good that the constitution will be written to establish a position of prime minister, elected by parliament, who will be the one with the real power. The Islamists managed to gain power in the parliamentary elections and are not about to lose it to a secularist president, regardless of the outcome of the vote.

          • 4 votes
          #2.1 - Wed May 23, 2012 6:37 AM EDT

          It is a start, JS, and believe it or not the majority of Egyptians have more important matters on their mind than forcing religion down somebody else's throat, just like here.

          • 4 votes
          #2.2 - Wed May 23, 2012 6:52 AM EDT

          Well, if they wind up with MORE Islamofascist thugs in power then it will be their own damn fault, now won't it?

          • 5 votes
          #2.3 - Wed May 23, 2012 7:16 AM EDT

          I wonder if Georgey boy Soros is gonna attempt to steal this election also.

            #2.4 - Wed May 23, 2012 7:18 AM EDT

            Are you genuinely arguing that Mubarak wasn't an islamo-fascist thug?

            • 3 votes
            #2.5 - Wed May 23, 2012 7:53 AM EDT

            If you want to know how much power the electee truly has, check and see in a year how many of the generals have retired.

              #2.6 - Wed May 23, 2012 8:02 AM EDT

              I think it's all very interesting. Egyptians feel their vote really matters and they're taking ownership of their country, unlike here where we take voting for granted and don't think it matters who wins.

              • 7 votes
              #2.7 - Wed May 23, 2012 9:09 AM EDT

              With Saudi Sunni extremist Salafi getting entrenched and Muslim brotherhood to lead from frotn, just wait for Sharia laws to be in!

              Watch the photograph in this article. Were Egyptian women dressed like this before five years?

              • 3 votes
              #2.8 - Wed May 23, 2012 10:00 AM EDT

              MSpeilman,

              Mubarak was a classic Kelptocrat. He was just fleecing off the top to support his fat cat lifestyle and left most things on auto pilot until the crap hit the fan. Sure he was definitely a thug, but could care less about the religion aspect unless he needed it for public opinion and support. Even then he was just paying it lip service.

              The Islamist guys that could win from this are hard core "Kill the Jews and the Infidels" type people. That's a huge leap from where Mubarak was. Already the Egyptians are pinning for the 'glory days'of Mubarak stability. I frankly could care less. They elect an Islamist they will probably start WW3 along with Iran. I hope when that happens we give them and anyone else siding with them no quarter.

              They reap what they sow.

                #2.9 - Wed May 23, 2012 11:57 AM EDT

                Yes, lets spend 10s of millions of dollars to find 1 illegal vote, and lets not spend any on education, Yeehaw, Boogitty Boogitty, is that how you say it?

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                #2.10 - Wed May 23, 2012 12:07 PM EDT

                Voting is just a first step. That is what voters have yet to understand. They need to do constant follow up and hold politicians to their promises. The moment they deviate force them to explain. I am fine with politicians changing views if they can defend their new positions. People, even presidents do evolve.

                We were led to believe that Egypt has a large secular voting block which now we know is not true. Those that did the protesting work are not going to be rewarded with the Egypt they had in mind. The religious dictators will be taking over and will just replace Mubarak with their own strict agenda until that doesn't work either. But that will take decades. BTW, a recent poll showed support for the US in Egypt has never been lower.

                  #2.11 - Wed May 23, 2012 12:15 PM EDT
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                  MSNBS needs to do some fact checking before posting headlines like this.

                  The first elections in Egypt were from 1924.

                  • 4 votes
                  Reply#3 - Wed May 23, 2012 6:16 AM EDT

                  Fact checking is way beyond their capability.

                  • 2 votes
                  #3.1 - Wed May 23, 2012 8:42 AM EDT

                  Yes but its way better than Fake News, That's why you 3 above me are here lololololol, Go to fake news and live in your bubble some real adults want to have a discussion

                  • 1 vote
                  #3.3 - Wed May 23, 2012 12:09 PM EDT
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                  The hottest man of truth in the world today is a man named Mohammad Goldstein. In The Plot to Overthrow he reveals so much world truth about Jews and Muslims. Obama has a copy and you can get it for nuttin on the net. This guy has a heart for the people of the world and thousands of people are following him. He reveals so much about how and who is behind governments falling .

                    Reply#4 - Wed May 23, 2012 6:17 AM EDT

                    And soon the rich will control the elections like America and your children will find a new kind of poverty

                    • 4 votes
                    Reply#5 - Wed May 23, 2012 6:20 AM EDT

                    Islamic extremists hate democracy, but they will exploit democratic tools to take power. Their motto is "one man, one vote, one time." If elections can be stolen in countries that have a history of democracy, you can imagine what can happen in a country like Egypt, where they have never had free elections. Guaranteed that there will be an Islamic dictatorship in Egypt no matter how many Egyptians want freedom.

                    • 8 votes
                    Reply#6 - Wed May 23, 2012 6:25 AM EDT

                    dougjmiller, yeah, yeah, except the people ALWAYS have the ultimate power. didn't some guy in the18th century write a whole book about that idea?

                    people are only governed if the people agree to be so governed, by whomever thinks is the governor.

                    the PEOPLE always have the ultimate power.

                    just in 'the wizard of oz'. YOU ALWAYS HAD THE POWER, DORATHY. YOU ALWAYS HAD THE POWER!! it just took a bit for her to realize it.

                    and it might take a bit for dictators, everywhere, to realize this fact, too.

                    • 2 votes
                    #6.1 - Wed May 23, 2012 10:04 AM EDT

                    That is how they took control in Turkey. Pakistan with or without power, they have total control.

                    In Egypt, it is only matter of time before Muslim Brotherhood takes over.

                    It will be bad for Christians.

                    Israel will have its impact. Anyhow Israelis imagine that they are too smart and they can talk, shout and act in 100 styles! Let the smart people handle each other!

                    • 3 votes
                    #6.2 - Wed May 23, 2012 10:06 AM EDT
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                    Want to live like human beings? Then start acting like human beings instead of slimy weasel like desert creatures. Most full-of-@!$%# people on earth.

                    • 5 votes
                    Reply#7 - Wed May 23, 2012 6:38 AM EDT

                    You're a slimy thug Yousif.

                    • 1 vote
                    #7.1 - Wed May 23, 2012 7:44 AM EDT

                    Not gonna lie you're not setting the prime example for a good creature on this earth Yousif Rashid...

                    • 1 vote
                    #7.2 - Wed May 23, 2012 9:44 AM EDT

                    i wonder where yousif might be from? any guesses?

                      #7.3 - Wed May 23, 2012 10:07 AM EDT

                      Well, being an Egyptian is a great honor, an honor that you are not worthy of, luckily

                      I don't know you nor know your nationality, but i feel sorry for you, really!!

                      the un-civilized soul that you seem to possess is apparent to all, and though i don't need to answer back to your ugly words, i just want to tell you that your words did not, does not, and will never affect us because we are better than that, and your opinion will go directly to the trash basket.

                      Just curious, on what basis did you build your opinion on?

                      Peace be upon us all.

                      • 1 vote
                      #7.4 - Wed May 23, 2012 11:10 AM EDT

                      If the Muslim Brotherhood gets in full power sharia law will follow along with the decapitation and mutilation of anyone that does not believe in the same exact religion. Elections will be outlawed etc

                        #7.5 - Wed May 23, 2012 3:46 PM EDT

                        What planet you from ?

                          #7.6 - Thu May 24, 2012 11:14 AM EDT
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                          Good luck. Let's hope their elections are "freer" than our own in the "land of the free"--for corporations, that is.

                          • 7 votes
                          Reply#8 - Wed May 23, 2012 6:45 AM EDT

                          Our elections will be free of corporate power when we, the people take our country back and not one minute before...we have elections, yet we choose to ignore them or pick the worse people after we have allowed corporations to tell us whom to vote for through vast amounts of money being spent on their candidates...when we wake up and demand good people for the job AND term limits, we might get back to we, the people's concerns!

                          • 1 vote
                          #8.1 - Wed May 23, 2012 9:42 AM EDT
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                          The real patriotic hero here is General Mohamed el-Assar, it takes a big man to relinguish total power for the sake of democracy.

                          • 5 votes
                          Reply#9 - Wed May 23, 2012 6:47 AM EDT

                          it takes a big man to 'relinquish' power before he gets a bullet to the head!! isn't that what you mean?

                          egypt is about one bullet away from loosing all control. and how much do they go for these days. less than a buck a piece?

                          a buck to change history! very reasonable price, if you ask me. as for the results, that is a different matter.

                            #9.1 - Wed May 23, 2012 10:13 AM EDT
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                            Comment author avatarGlenn Peachvia Facebook

                            If they elect an Islamic into that job then they don't deserve freedom. We may read about how Islamic governments treat their people, regarding Sharia Law, woman's rights, etc. but those people live in the region and should know more than you or I how an Islamic regime would treat them. It's simple Muslims only recognize Sharia Law which is the exact opposite of democracy. Put a Muslim in power & wave goodbye to the rights they did have.

                            • 5 votes
                            Reply#10 - Wed May 23, 2012 6:50 AM EDT

                            It's simple Muslims only recognize Sharia Law which is the exact opposite of democracy. Put a Muslim in power & wave goodbye to the rights they did have.

                            That is funny, Glenn. Somehow Turkey has maintained a secular, representative democracy since the 1920s, almost a century ago. Iran had a democratic government in the 1950s, until western economic interests supported a coup and placed a monarch in power.

                            Too many people are struggling to find something bad about this event, but I would call it a start.

                            • 5 votes
                            #10.1 - Wed May 23, 2012 6:56 AM EDT

                            AND, if they do vote in the Muslim Brotherhood, let's hope we, the US of A does NOT continue to fund their military....why are we sending hard earned dollars to Afghanistan, Pakistan and Egypt? Serioiusly, we need to demand that those payments cease NOW

                            • 3 votes
                            #10.2 - Wed May 23, 2012 9:44 AM EDT

                            Yep gotta say Islam isn't the issue.... Just like Communism isn't the issue but merely the greedy bastards involved. You know its true about American Democracy... XD

                            • 1 vote
                            #10.3 - Wed May 23, 2012 9:46 AM EDT

                            Let us hope that the future of Egypt does not replay the past of iran in which after an election which yielded results that we didn't particularly like we supported a coup which installed the dictatorial Shah because he was our "friend", but the people hated him so eventually a groundswell "people's revolution" came and removed the Shah replacing him with the Ayatollah and everything which came after.

                            We should know the past and learn from it not to meddle in the affairs of other sovreign nations. No matter how well intended, it almost never works out for our benefit in the end. Viet Nam, Iran, Afganistan, Iraq... is Egypt going to be next? I sure as heck hope not.

                              #10.4 - Wed May 23, 2012 12:08 PM EDT
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                              The country's first-ever democratic election of its leader. What it really is The first Radical Muslim Brotherhood election. Oh a they don't want no US citizens in there country.

                              • 2 votes
                              Reply#11 - Wed May 23, 2012 6:54 AM EDT

                              I hope for the sake of Egypt and world peace, true Democracy becomes a reality for all Egyptians.

                              As we watch our Democracy being taken over by Corporations and Super Pacs, I hope they stay on the path to true Democracy free from Theocracy...

                              • 5 votes
                              Reply#12 - Wed May 23, 2012 7:05 AM EDT

                              Turkey is the only Islamic nation to ever have anything close to democracy, and it's turning away from it, and back to a religious government; dream on. And I've heard your kind of rhetoric before comrade.

                              • 2 votes
                              #12.1 - Wed May 23, 2012 7:25 AM EDT

                              I've got your comrade. As far as dream on is concerned, what is happening over there is reality right now weather we approve or not we can only hope for the best and stay prepared for the worst. How you translate that into some kind of evil sounding rhetoric is an attempt by you to insinuate that I have some unpatriotic desire for these people. As a Veteran of 20 plus years in our Military, I can assure you that I have always had the best interests of my country at heart.

                              Take your Glen Beck talking points and stick em where the Sun Doesn't shine you Joe McCarthy wannabe!

                              • 2 votes
                              #12.2 - Wed May 23, 2012 7:38 AM EDT

                              Whose Beck. Don't have cable, must be someone on one of those thousands of worthless channels. And on the internet everyone of a seasoned vet with a whole chest full of medals. And if you're so patriotic, why are you so anti-capitalism, that's what made America great. Joe McCarthy? .... lol ... you couldn't be more wrong. But the most telling thing about your politics is your ad hominem reaction to anyone who questions your leftist attitude ... comrade.

                              • 1 vote
                              #12.3 - Wed May 23, 2012 7:50 AM EDT

                              People don't always get Democracy right at first. It doesn't happen overnight, what is encouraging is that they are beginning the journey. When a people are hurting bad enough they will eventually demand a True Democracy, a Democracy where there is true separation of Church and State and all groups have equal representation.

                              • 1 vote
                              #12.4 - Wed May 23, 2012 7:52 AM EDT

                              Oh an by the way dirtbag, I believe in true Capitalism, not the Crony Capitalism we have today.

                              You're just another Parrot who can't think for himself, you just parrot the FoxNoise Group Think Talking Points.

                              The Glen Beck style of Journalism!

                              • 3 votes
                              #12.5 - Wed May 23, 2012 8:15 AM EDT

                              20 years in the military doesn't qualify you to have any more insight than anyone else. about much of anything. imho!

                              being in the military (army) and then working for the navy my opinions have nothing to do with 'my service' more than anything else. (i seldom ever mention 'my service' as it wasn't the biggest part of my life. or the most important.)

                              if your 20 years is your claim for 'knowing' what is what, you are kidding only yourself.

                                #12.6 - Wed May 23, 2012 10:20 AM EDT

                                Jasperark, it is rank hypocrisy for you to label someone as 'comrade' and then complain of ad hominem attacks in response. If you're gonna whine about other folks making slurs about you, don't do it to them, or to state it more simply, you started it, so don't be a pussy. How d'ya like that for an ad hominem reaction?

                                  #12.8 - Wed May 23, 2012 12:26 PM EDT
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                                  "The army, whose senior ranks control extensive commercial interests, insists it does not want to hang onto power."

                                  If you believe that, I have a Pyramid that I'd like to sell you.

                                    Reply#13 - Wed May 23, 2012 7:22 AM EDT

                                    In the picture of the line of voters, there are no women. Aren't women allowed to vote?

                                      Reply#14 - Wed May 23, 2012 7:45 AM EDT

                                      Look at the picture at the top of the article.

                                        #14.1 - Wed May 23, 2012 10:03 AM EDT

                                        jg, travel is a wonderful thing. try it. you might just learn something.

                                        • 2 votes
                                        #14.2 - Wed May 23, 2012 10:25 AM EDT

                                        The picture currently leading the article, which they sometimes change, shows all women. They probably vote in separate lines.

                                          #14.3 - Wed May 23, 2012 3:13 PM EDT
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                                          Yeah....Democracy............yeah, like in the USA.

                                          Yeah....Little George thought you could spread Democracy like butter, once the bread was toasted.

                                          • 1 vote
                                          Reply#15 - Wed May 23, 2012 7:53 AM EDT

                                          if the bread wasn't toasted it should be by now.

                                          MORE BUTTER, PLEASE!!!!!!!!

                                            #15.1 - Wed May 23, 2012 10:34 AM EDT
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                                            Free election...........bawhaaaahaaaaa!!!

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                                            Reply#16 - Wed May 23, 2012 8:01 AM EDT

                                            I love the cognitive dissonance ... Egyptians to vote in first "free" election and they show a photo of women in burquas or hijabs or whatever they're called. When I can walk through all of Egypt and not see one woman attired in medieval garb and or cuts and bruises, I'll show you freedom. Until then, spare me the jokes.

                                            • 2 votes
                                            Reply#17 - Wed May 23, 2012 8:06 AM EDT

                                            “they show” Who they? These photos are hand picked. Listen there are millions of non “medieval garb” wearing women in Egypt but to haters like you it’s a feast for the eyes to pick these photos.
                                            “women in burquas or hijabs or whatever they're called” You know exactly what they’re called, it seems that you’re obsessed with them. There’s a huge number of “medieval garb” wearing women here in the states, I see them on College campuses, at the convenience stores... They’re actually everywhere. Are they not free here? Whenever there’s an article on Arab countries or Arab related I see heaps of hatred oozing from most articles. The educated citizens of those countries see through these sentiments of hate not just the fanatic ones. The peace treaty at Camp David is going to dissolve soon now that Egypt is democratic I expect that’s going to be true.
                                            We’re not helping by spreading hatred. We need to find a solution to the problem between the Arab countries and Israel because the more Arab countries become democratic the less chances of survival there will be for Israel no matter how much we help them. Ultimately that’s bad business on our end.
                                            We’re a nation that changed the world. Our demeanor is that we can accomplish anything. When there’s a will there’s a way.

                                              #17.1 - Wed May 23, 2012 9:18 AM EDT
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                                              There's nothing like going through MSNBC comments that makes you realize that you made a good decision in going to school.

                                              • 1 vote
                                              Reply#18 - Wed May 23, 2012 8:22 AM EDT

                                              They can have our "gay" one. He sucks.

                                              • 2 votes
                                              Reply#19 - Wed May 23, 2012 8:54 AM EDT

                                              Democracy is not the same political institution in every country that claims it as a form of government. It will not be the same as ours and it should not be. Every country and its people need to figure out how to initiate it and change it if necessary. It is a better form of government than communism or total authoritarianism. While I am pessimistic about the outcome of Egypt's election, no one will truly be able to comment with any certainty until after a year or two has passed after their elections are held and those elected enact their policies. Until then, all this speculation is a waste of time. I hope they are truly successful in building a democracy, but I believe if the Muslim Brotherhood takes power, democracy and free elections will not be seen again unless they are controlled and manipuated by those in power. Good luck Egypt - you'll need it.

                                                Reply#20 - Wed May 23, 2012 9:00 AM EDT

                                                Wow! The first free elections and the last. Islam with Sharia Law does not vest any value in elections only the pronouncements of their religious leaders.

                                                • 1 vote
                                                Reply#21 - Wed May 23, 2012 9:10 AM EDT

                                                Three cheers for Egypt. I am happy for them.

                                                • 1 vote
                                                Reply#22 - Wed May 23, 2012 9:11 AM EDT

                                                Ever hear of the "Ugly American?"......IT used to be those who interfered in the politics of foreign countries. Now a days, ALL Americans are ugly....because we can't STAY OUT of foreign politics.

                                                When are we going to stop wasting our wealth and our young soldiers in foreign wars?.....First it was Viet Nam,... 60,000 USA men died....for NOTHING....Then Afghanistan, Iraq........Where else?...If Israel goes to war, let them....should 300,000,000 Americans die so that 3,000,000 Jews can have the West Bank?

                                                We say we care about the Democrification of the world?.....WHY?.......Our college professors now criticize the USA for " Manifest Destiny"....when we forced out the Indians and Spanish from America, so that the white Europeans would run the USA from coast to coast. Isn't " making the world safe for Democracy"...the same?

                                                I have a son in law in the service of his country......If he dies keeping our country safe in time of war that will be sad but he will have done his duty. If he dies in the Mid East defending the rites of " Mrs Muhammad"...to vote...that will be a waste.

                                                USA....get out of the Middle East. We are there only to protect our oil. Those are the r eal " American Interests"......Go to the web site......non-intervention.com.....IT is written by an author ( not me) who was a CIA analyst for years. He has written books telling why the Arabs hate us.....its not because they are afraid of out immorality......its because we have intervened in the Middle East since WW1, when we created Mid East countries, after the war( the USA and Britain created country boundaries, read your history) .

                                                Get out of the Middle East.....Bring the soldiers home...stop wasting BILLIONS of dollars so that " Mrs Muhammad" can vote.......WHO CARES....?!?!?!?!?!?!?

                                                • 4 votes
                                                Reply#23 - Wed May 23, 2012 9:12 AM EDT

                                                The term "Ugly American" is because tourists, would go to other countries and not respect the local's. Vietnam was fought to keep the Communist North from taking over the South. We (at least most) americans believe that all people should have the right to decide which form of government to have. We believe in basic freedoms, which for years this county has enjoyed, because of the price that our military has paid. The waist there was because even after Tet the americans decided that they wanted out, and would not take the needed measures to win there. So we left and Congress didn't fulfill our treaty obugations. So in fact we through out all those wasted lives. It should have turned out like Korea, with a free south. Iraq, has the right to free elections, did they under Saddam? Afghanistan, is free then they were under the Telliban. Ask England, France, Italy and other European Countries if they are better off today with us, or would they be bette under the Hitler. As for this Country, True the Europeans forced out the Indians, and the Spanish to a limited extent. The People through out histroy have taken over other peoples, All civilazations fall and are taken over by others. The same was true here before the indians took over. Who did the Mayans, and Incas take the land from? As with most the current American indians faired much better then most. Just dont be so selective on your histroy reading.

                                                  #23.1 - Wed May 23, 2012 11:04 AM EDT

                                                  "300,000,000 Americans die so that 3,000,000 Jews can have the West Bank?"

                                                  Hmm who are these super advanced aliens from outer space who have this capability?

                                                    #23.3 - Wed May 23, 2012 4:04 PM EDT
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                                                    'We want to live ... like human beings': Egyptians vote in first democratic presidential election

                                                    First thing they need to do is get rid of Islam. Than they may have a chance at being human.

                                                    • 3 votes
                                                    Reply#24 - Wed May 23, 2012 9:32 AM EDT

                                                    LOL!!!

                                                    "We want to live like human beings" so we can murder all the Jews...

                                                    • 4 votes
                                                    Reply#25 - Wed May 23, 2012 9:42 AM EDT
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