Evil rationale.

That's so true, I approve of posting it twice.

So, let me get this straight: You disapprove of the modern, western lifestyle, yet, you move to a modern, western country?

For this, you're willing to murder your own flesh and blood? Boy, that'll get 'em flocking to Islam, all right.

I have just one word to say about this: Barbaric.

Some Christian extremists in the US can get pretty crazy too. Take those that let their children die of a medical problem rather than take them to a doctor and get them fixed up because it's a matter of "faith"...Pretty sick.

Religion is not a problem. Religious extremism is most certianly a problem.

An idiotic solution to a minor problem. The Ahmed family should really reevaluate their religion if it calls for murder to appease faulty egos.

Islam is no more or no less evil then most religions, including Christianity! You think Christians don't commit murder? Are you all so deluded as to think a person's religion would keep them from committing atrocious acts against others? Pick up the paper, watch the news, this type of murder is not uncommon.. It happens all over the world..

Religion itself, with perhaps Buddhism being the exception, has been a major EXCUSE for people committing mass murder throughout the centuries with billions put to death.. So let's not be singling out any particular one and putting the blame on it for the horrors people do to each other.. It's people who kill people, the excuses they use to murder are just that, excuses!

Dogma, I agree. Some here are really quick to point to one religion when something like this happens, but they need to look deep into most all religions. It happens more than they want to accept. Religion creates a psychosis in peoples minds. ALL Religions.

So your point is what? It's OK to kill your daughter? Here's what you are missing: all the examples you cite are considered crimes....this was not considered a crime in their culture. That is a big difference.....

Haha offended when the finger points the other way "unbelievable"? Is this really an article about Islam? Or are you making it that? Take as much as you can give.

what type of people post such nonsense as, Christan family's also do bad things; how on Earth can those who comment on a hideous crime also say , well other people may also do bad things; Radical Islam is a curse on the Earth, period.

I was getting ready to write the same thing unbelievable. Every day we read about muslims killing each other and yet we have people always trying to bring in Christianity into the discussion. Christ did not endorse killing anyone no matter what they did. His message was about love and Salvation for the world. On the other hand mohammad......... You figure it out.

@maddog - it has nothing to do with religion, but culture. Muslims are hardly the only people that practice "Honor Killings". The religion is irrelevant. What you have is two sick people who cling to a culture that says culture over family, and adherence to that culture's so-called norms is more important than life. You'll find it all over Asia, Africa and even in parts of Europe, plus here in the US - only difference is that here in the US more often than not it is Religion at the root cause - crazy interpretations of Christianity. Jesus never spoke of anything but love, peace and social justice. Yet so-called followers of his have killed because they were exercising demons (the child was mentally ill or, gasp, gay), withholding medical treatment, or because the child had strayed from their religious beliefs.

This killing was about a teenage girl who was assimilating when her parents expected ridged adherence to their cultural norms, especially that of a woman (or girl) being lower than dirt. Nothing inherent to Islam there, but it is to tribal cultures, to which the parents clung too even if the father (the only one who truly matters in such a culture) moved them all to a "Western" nation so as to become wealthy.

"Evil Islamic religion and tribal practices provide evil rationale!"

That's funny, 2,000 years ago it wasn't evil, so what changed? Some people's religion and rationale boggles the mind.

"An article about Islam and a couple of you have to make it about Christianity and its evils. You're sickening!"

Well, christianity is islam's big brother in the religious chronicles. I guess little brother is just following big brother's foot steps.

Yet so-called followers of his have killed because they were exercising demons (the child was mentally ill or, gasp, gay), withholding medical treatment, or because the child had strayed from their religious beliefs.

CelticPagan - I think you mean "exorcising".

Why do such barbarians move to the West in the first place? Go back to your medieval holes in ME or Asia from which you crawled out to raise your kids in the same ignorance you were brought up!

Ah yes, still more news about the peaceful religion of Islam. And still more nitwits who want to somehow minimize this heinous crime by says "bad stuff happens in all religions. Christianity is bad too!". Yeah, right. We are all suffocating our daughters because we don't like the clothes they wear or the people they talk to on the phone. Would you morons please start using your brains as something other than a filler for your skull. Balled-up newspaper would work just as well and be an environmentally friendly way to recycle...

In my ignorance I see the world burning for the last 2500 years because of religious primitives like the folks who killed this girl. And the solution is to send them back home, where they can practice their 'honorable' way of life without undue influence of the Western society.

CelticPagan

@maddog - it has nothing to do with religion,

As an Irish pagan, a, Tuatha De' Danann (child of the goddess Danu) I will point out that statistics do not back up your conclusion.

The perpetrators and victims in this study lived in the following twenty-nine countries or territories: Afghanistan, Albania, Bangladesh, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Egypt, France, Gaza Strip, Germany, India, Iran, Iraq, Israel, Italy, Jordan, Netherlands, Norway, Pakistan, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Scotland, Sweden, Switzerland, Syria, Turkey, United Kingdom, United States, and the West Bank.

In general, statistically significant interactions were found for age, geographical region, the participation of multiple perpetrators (mainly members of the victim's family of origin, including the victim's father), family position, multiple victims, the use of torture, and the stated motive for the murder. Between 1989 and 2009, honor killings also escalated over time in a statistically significant way.

Worldwide, the majority of victims were women; a mere 7 percent were men. Only five men were killed by their families of origin whereas the rest of the male victims were killed by the families of the women with whom they were allegedly consorting or planning to consort with either within or outside of marriage. The murdered male victims were usually perceived as men who were unacceptable due to lower class or caste status, because the marriage had not been arranged by the woman's family of origin, because they were not the woman's first cousin, or because the men allegedly engaged in pre- or extramarital sex. Men were rarely killed when they were alone; 81 percent were killed when the couple in question was together.

Although Sikhs and Hindus do sometimes commit such murders, honor killings, both worldwide and in the West, are mainly Muslim-on-Muslim crimes. In this study, worldwide, 91 percent of perpetrators were Muslims. In North America, most killers (84 percent) were Muslims, with only a few Sikhs and even fewer Hindus perpetrating honor killings; in Europe, Muslims comprised an even larger majority at 96 percent while Sikhs were a tiny percentage. In Muslim countries, obviously almost all the perpetrators were Muslims. With only two exceptions, the victims were all members of the same religious group as their murderers.

In the West, 76 individuals or groups of multiple perpetrators killed one hundred people. Of these perpetrators, 37 percent came from Pakistan; 17 percent were of Iraqi origin while Turks and Afghans made up 12 and 11 percent, respectively. The remainder, just under a quarter in all, came from Albania, Algeria, Bosnia, Egypt, Ethiopia, Guyana, India, Iran, Morocco, and the West Bank.

http://www.meforum.org/2646/worldwide-trends-in-honor-killings

DOMESTIC VIOLENCE VERSUS HONOR KILLING

Unni Wikan, a social anthropologist and professor at the University of Oslo, defines honor killing as "a murder carried out as a commission from the extended family, to restore honor after the family has been dishonored.

A 2008 Massachusetts-based study found that "although immigrants make up an estimated 14 percent of the state's population, [they, nevertheless,] accounted for 26 percent of the 180 domestic violence deaths from 1997-2006."

Lenore Walker, author of The Battered Woman Syndrome,[16] agreed that fundamentalist immigrants control and patrol their women very closely. "Given the strict rules, there are a lot of things to kill them for," she said.

In ordinary domestic violence involving Westerners, it is rare for brothers to kill sisters or for male cousins to kill female cousins. And while child abuse occurs in which fathers may kill infants and children, it is very rare for Western fathers to kill teenage daughters.

The press has reported a number of honor killings in the United States, Canada, and Europe. These cases show the killings to be primarily a Muslim-on-Muslim crime. (See Table 2 and Table 3.) The victims are largely teenage daughters or young women. Wives are victims but to a lesser extent. And, unlike most Western domestic violence, honor killings are carefully planned.

Most important, only honor killings involve multiple family members. Fathers, mothers, brothers, male cousins, uncles, and sometimes even grandfathers commit the murder, but mothers and sisters may lobby for the killing. Some mothers collaborate in the murder in a hands-on way and may assist in the getaway. In some cases, taxi drivers, neighbors, and mosque members prevent the targeted woman from fleeing, report her whereabouts to her family, and subsequently conspire to thwart police investigations.[19] Very old relatives or minors may be chosen to conduct the murder in order to limit jail time if caught.

Seldom is domestic violence celebrated, even by its perpetrators. In the West, wife batterers are ostracized. Here, there is an important difference in honor crimes. Muslims who commit or assist in the commission of honor killings view these killings as heroic and even view the murder as the fulfillment of a religious obligation.

In both North America and Europe, family members conducted honor killings with excessive violence—repeatedly stabbing, raping, setting aflame, and bludgeoning—in more than half the cases. Only in serial-killing-type scenarios are Western women targeted with similar violence; in these cases, the perpetrators are seldom family members, and their victims are often strangers. Despite the obfuscation of Muslim advocacy groups, these case studies show that honor killings are quite distinct from domestic violence. Not all honor killings are perpetrated by Muslims, but the overwhelming majority are. Ninety percent of the honor killers shown in Tables 2 and 3 were Muslim. In every case, perpetrators view their victims as violating rules of religious conduct and act without remorse.

As long as Islamist advocacy groups continue to obfuscate the problem, and government and police officials accept their inaccurate versions of reality, women will continue to be killed for honor in the West; such murders may even accelerate. Unchecked by Western law, their blood will be on society's hands.

http://www.meforum.org/2067/are-honor-killings-simply-domestic-violence

No sooner is the article published, do the liberal apologists come out in droves, claiming that this is a problem of all religions, and is not isolated to the evil cult of Islam.

All religions are based on faith, myth and superstition, but I dare anyone to find even one example of using the specific teachings of any other religion as a mandate to commit murder of a family member.

It may be an excuse, but for some reason, Islam is more effective, and more aggressive at providing these excuses than anything else. It is mindless, it is unyielding, and it is all-encompassing. Wherever Islam is allowed to prevail, nothing else exists. No science; no technological innovation; no liberty and no artistic expression.

Anybody who comes out in defense of the evil cult of Islam is just as big a contributor to this mental disease as the fanatics themselves.

Chris150--- Great post and yes, we should all be politically correct. We would not want to offend anyone would we?

Forget religion. Why move to a different culture then punish a kid for assimilation?

I really think the west should accept these cultures, and not make a big deal out of them. After all, why be prejudges against them for doing what they believe in?

I read and re-read your posting several times, and I can't believe that anyone would say that. You're actually blaming the victim?

But, to answer your question, even if we "accept" those barbaric cultures, the family was in a western country. So, if we have to accept what happens in their countries, then they must live by our laws when they're in western countries.

To take things further, let's remember that most countries in this world have signed the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, including Pakistan.

To say that murderous fanaticism is the sole province of religion frankly hasn't paid enough attention to history. If you care enough about something, you'll be willing to kill for it. Think about it this way: is there anything in your life that you would die for? Under the right circumstances, you (yes, even you hyper-rationalistas. Remember the Reign of Terror?) have the capability to do horrid, horrid things in defense of that thing.

a---rand: Honestly, I think Chirs150 is a troll. I shudder to think otherwise...

Chirs150, you forgot to mark your piece as sarcasm.

All religions are based on faith, myth and superstition, but I dare anyone to find even one example of using the specific teachings of any other religion as a mandate to commit murder of a family member.

While it may not involve a family member, people do use Christianity as an excuse to kill providers of abortion services and bomb their clinics. Really not much different, when you come down to it. Religion as an excuse for murder.

Boy, isn't religion grand. Preach hate of homosexuals, or any people different than you. kill your kid because she doesn't tow the religious line. Etc, etc, etc.

All religions are a curse upon mankind. and we've cursed ourselves. Wake up, people!

SciThinker,

All religions are not a curse.

It is the submerging of oneself into religious extremism that is a problem.

Obviously, there is nothing honorable about killing another person...especially a family member.

Everyone should have the right to have different points of views.

Islamic and Christian extremists and let's not forget cults, can deny people sensible freedoms.

People have to remain rational and "balanced" to know when he or she is crossing the line into fanaticism.

This poor girl...

I'm sure Islam can be a beautiful religion, as some people always claim, but unfortunately it's often practiced by all-too-human beings. If this murderous act is the direct result of devoutly religious people practicing a beautiful faith, well...I'm just not sure how that could possibly add up. Islam seems to result in a whole lot of death for a whole lot of people for a whole lot of different reasons...none of them any good. I don't think God exists, but if "He" does and condones this act, you can have him. I'm not interested.

KPR 37

Statistics are great , but if you do the math , sometimes it doesn't add up. Sikhs only amount to a mere 2% of the population of India. I live in Canada where we have a larger % of Sikhs than in India. There have been mercy killings in Canada within the Sikh community. (Google Kitimat man kills daughter.) I had a good friend who was murdered by his father-in-law with his wife. The only thing he had ever done was marry a girl who was promised to another man and put shame on the family. he told me that he and his wife feared for their lives from him. I was in my 20s at the time and thought he was crazy to believe any father would kill his daughter. One morning the RCMP came to see me and told me what had happened and asked me for information. What had happened was her father had told her that the family had forgiven her and he sent them a wedding present , an electric kettle. When they plugged the electric kettle in it was filled with explosives and it killed them both. (Google Santa Singh Tatley kettle bomb)

About 2 years ago I was talking to a Sikh real estate agent and he was bragging about the low divorce rate amoung Sikhs. I told him that the only raeson for that is the wives are afraid to leave. I then told him about my friend who was murdered by his father-in-law with his wife. He said oh yeh I know him well , Santa Singh Tatley, he's a Guruh in our church and is very well respected. I said any man or religion who worships someone who kills his own daughter is sick. I walked away.

For those who insist on using Old Testament passages from the Bible to show that killing was sanctioned by the Bible: Christ came to fulfill the law of blood (the Old Testament) by his own sacrifice (dying on the cross) and through his Resurrection. That does not mean that we ignore the Old Testament, but is does mean that any "laws" demanding blood sacrifice have been satisfied by Christ's death and Resurrection.

As a Christian, I too would like for others to believe as I believe, but under NO circumstances would I put others to death or torture for not professing the same beliefs. Do I "witness" my faith? Yes. Do I hate because someone does not believe the same way I do? No - I pray instead.

6 Pillars of faith in Islam.

6 spires on the Salt Lake City Mormon Temple.

Wonder what that could mean.

This is so sad. Don't you wish for once you could see the headline "Muslims Lash Out at their Radical Element".

This will only be fixed from within their religion. If non-muslim people try to stop it, they'll just make a bunch of martyrs.

Come on Teapublicans , SAY IT, SAY IT ,SAY IT, ( using my best sam kinnison ) Its Obamas Fault.

Meh. If this happened in 2005, your side would be saying this was Bush's fault.

Incidentally, you're the first one in this thread who brought Obama up.

Pleantly of people have done bad things and invoked the name of God as justification including those who claim to be Christian. The difference here is that those who say the Christian God told them to do it are ususally insane. And even though most are found to be mentally incompetent in the courts, they still go to prison for murder.

Are all followers of Islam insane? (I actually think they are, but I haven't officially confirmed that). OR, are they held up by their cobelievers as heros when they murder their children or any other innocent people for that matter?The problem here is both with the dogma of Islam and the culture that worships people who murder their own children.

Whichever one of you here said send them back where they came from, I vote with you.

@chirs150

Next time you get a lobatomy, don't go to the doctor with the cheapest price.

You can take the animals out of Pakistan but you can't take Pakistan out of the animals.

Frustrated--your words: "As a Christian....under NO circumstance would I put others to death for not professing the same beliefs...."

HISTORY is full of instances where CHRISTIANS did exactly that.

England's history is bloody over them just killing people who didn't practice CHRISTIANITY in the same way they did. Spanish Inquisition ring a bell? Padres in the Spanish colonies? Or how about that SHINING example of Christians killing others for their faith--Nazi Germany?

While Islam as a religion may lend itself more easily to honor killings, it is EXTREMISM that is the problem. and INTOLERANCE.

This is one reason why I am NOT in favor of 'winking' while a group of immigrants to the US being allowed to NOT assimilate into our society--because I don't APPROVE of what their home country's society carries along with it. And coming here illegally personifies that home country's tolerance of breaking any law you find personally inconvenient.

This is not a result of the teaching of Islam. This is the result of ignorance and tradition.

It's downright ignorant of people who refuse to recognize that ALL religions are potentially evil. There is nothing exceptional about Islam in this regard. All sorts of crimes have been committed by religious extremists throughout history, much of it violent, and that includes Christian and Jewish "fundamentalists," as well as Muslims. Intolerance is not exclusively an Islamic disease, by any measure. The fact that others have pointed this out here only to have their messages removed by "the community" only proves the point.

Randall, it's downright ignorant of people who can't see the difference between a false religion and a true relationship with God, our Father in Heaven, the Creator of ALL!

Why is it, that every time, some one prints something like this , there is a band of a-holes, that immediately start beating on Christianity

I don't have much in the way of religion, but I don't understand this.

if we are discussing something about the Muslims, why do they go directly to beating on Christians?

Unless it is a bunch of Obamites trying to make sure that none of this gets attached to the inept lying quasi socialist in the white house,.

Because nobody on the liberal side wants to admit that it is a part of Islam and not just a part of their culture. For example, christians are seen in every part of the world, from 3rd world countries to modern and yet not one of them would do something like this even though each country has its own culture and traditions. The christians in those other countries would rather abstain from those practices that directly go against the teachings of Christ.

Islam is different. To muslims, there is no separation of culture and religion. They are one and the same. For anyone to say it is just the culture is in Pakistan is just plain foolish. Anybody can tell that it is a liberal coverup to disreguard the atrocities in that manner. This is why Honor killings seem so common amongst Muslims.

If I had stated that in Roman Catholic Church molestations were common because of all the evidence that was seen, would anybody on the liberal side have the strength to say it is not true? So why would any of you think any differently about muslims?

This is the result of an ignorant culture-not religion.

Christians in ignorant cultures also have honor type killings.

It has nothing to do with Islam or Christianity, it has to do with the culture.

It says in the bible that a woman who does not yell loudly enough wile being raped in the city should be put to death. Some cultures of Christians abide by this archane text. Some cultures of Muslims abide by archane ruls as well. The problem is ignorance, not a speciic religion.

christians are seen in every part of the world, from 3rd world countries to modern and yet not one of them would do something like this even though each country has its own culture and traditions.

What? This is simply not true! Look up honor killings in Africa among christians.

Christianity exists more in the 1st world, where education is available, than Islam. However, it was not so far back we were stoning people here, in the good ol' USA for adultery-and even being witches! American Christians did this within the past few centuries.

I do not understand wh people of any culture or religion would come to a 1st world country when their values are so different. Why would you move to a 1st world country and send your children to school with other children from that country if you detested the values of that country so much?

This happens in Christian homes too. It is not about religion.

Obamites trying to make sure that none of this gets attached to the inept lying quasi socialist in the white house,.

None of this happened in the US! What does Obama have to do with it?

F'ing ANIMALS!

Uchusky99: Really, what part of Africa are you referring to? Are you refering to the Nigerian christians who are being tortured by their islamic counterparts? Are you referring to the Philippines ( another 3rd world country) that is being terrorized by their Islamic terrorists?

I am talking about this century.....The couple went to the UK, this century, not a hundred years ago. They had access to more education and still they chose the way of an Honor killing. So don't tell me it had something to do with culture and not their religion.

I can tell you are another atheist just by referring to the phrase you put out. It really does show how little you know. In my opinion read 1 Timothy 1:7 and tell me again how that doesn't describe you.

I knew someone would bring up obama ***pointing finger at sez***

The family says that she betrayed them with her life style?? The biggest betrayal of all are parents that kill their own child! These people don't belong in civilized society.

And having parents as MURDERERS doesn't bring dishonor to the family?

awesomealex: would be a good point but the christian bible states you should stone your neighbor if he works on the sabbath... not a fam member but...uhh. crusades anyone? remember?nah inconvienient to your ridic religion. END ALL RELIGIOUS EXTREMISM.

This particular "CULT" is CRAZY---

The US should not placate or appease the rotten Muslims/Islamists who follow the KORAN to a "T"---Murder is the best thing they do. The Fathers who do this, should have their genitals cut off--as punishment. Now how can we has a Nation, take what they say, as being called the Peaceful Religion. Murdering your own child, going to other Westernized Countries, and becoming a part of their Society. Stay in your own country then.

I am NOT a bigot---only to the ones who have killed their beautiful children, for the sake of ALLAH, the Fake G-d! Behead them!

How does the Mother feel about her child being murdered. Are they that stupid?

Hey Awesomealex,

"but I dare anyone to find even one example of using the specific teachings of any other religion as a mandate to commit murder of a family member."

How about the witch hunts right here in the ol us of a.

also we consider ourselves a "christian nation" because Christianity is the most prominent religious force here. many of our political leaders are voted in often times because their core value system is supposedly that of our christian nation. forget the issues.... is he christian? haha ok. in fact only 2 of our presidents did not align with the christian faith. look into US vetoes of resolutions in the UN. it will shock you what our "christian" politicians veto when it comes to recognising human rights in other countries. god forbid citizens of other nations have rights... o wait it isn't convenient for us since they might be in uproar about our corporations raping their land of their resources.... of course we don't want them to have rights. sound like what jesus would do Christians? no, in fact i have studied the bible for years. guantanamo anyone? our "christian" president BUSH. ughhh don't get me started. wait i thought our constitution bans the use of torture? eh o well if we can put them on an island that is tech not ours then our "christian" leaders can do what they will all while stating this country is one built on morals of the christian faith. for many years our christian leaders have killed millions still while clinging to the virtues of christianity. thou shalt not kill.... up to interpretation? i think not. of course every christian picks and chooses what they want to apply from the good book anyways so whats new? im sure many don't stone their neighbors on the sabbath, many probably get hair cuts regularly, many touch females on their period, most females don't kill doves after their period. PICK AND CHOOSE. don't get me wrong islam is just as bad. its time to end religions they cause way to much psychosis of feeble minds that unfortunately have rights to vote.

tired of this sick-ass religion that promotes abuses against women...when are people going to get outraged over this @!$%#??? Oh my, u have to respect their burkas, shariah [spelling] law and not discriminate against poor f**king muslims!!! well i am a woman and i am pissed off!!! i did not CHOOSE to be a woman or to be treated like a slave or a second class citizen. No one should be allowed to practice a religion that violates the right's of another!!! and the muslim women that support this abusive religion are no different than the woman that suffers domestic abuse, plus add indoctrination on top of that!!!

This is why is so crucial to demand to member of congress to declare illegal the use of Sharia Law in Americans Courts to justify this kind of behaviors in Muslim communities. UK fail to put his law over Islamic Laws for fear retaliation. Muslims want to turn our countries in en extension of theirs , living in isolated communities where our agents of Law enforcement are banned.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/03/florida-circuit-court-judge-allows-case-to-proceed-under-islamic-law.html

This is a clear case of surrender of our Laws to Sharia Law. Call your representative before this turn in worst.

You're all half wrong and half right. Yes, this is a terrible thing that would not have happened if there were no religion. Religion is poison for the mind. But those of you who say that Islam is no worse than Christianity, it is. Not all religions are equally evil. You'd be hard-pressed to find a violent buddhist or hindu predator, but Muslims and Christians murder, rape and torture for stupid, arrogant reasons. And yes, Islam is much, much more evil than Christianity. Admitting this does not make you any more in favor of Christianity.

Be a truth seeker, and a free thinker. Don't get carried away by your convictions.

Astounding that muslims and atheists attempt to defend or deflect....can't you stay on topic? A young girl was murdered by her parents for being westernized! Even worse, her siblings witnessed it and were threatened to keep quiet!

Why would anyone want people who think this way in their country, and yet our government lets them immigrate here more every year. Time for it to stop. We do not tolerate this kind of behavior in our country and never will. We need to stop the flood of these people coming in.

But it's okay for that S.Carolina minister who wants to put all gays and lesbians behind electric fences ?

hahaha , what can you say , they are Pakistani , Pakastani's just sentenced a doctor to 33 years in prison , charging him with treason and aiding a foreign nation.....because he helped America get to Osama Bin Laden

funny how these nations that have been around the longest are by far the most ignorant and "third world"

Salvia58-3789575

But it's okay for that S.Carolina minister who wants to put all gays and lesbians behind electric fences ?

Maybe that ministers distant relatives helped put Japanese people into American interment camps during WWII, it just runs in his blood line. But, seriously, I have seen more human intolerance come from organized religion than from any other group, look at the Westbrook Church fanatics.

ashp

when was the last time you heard of a Christian in America stoning someone to death? , that's what I thought , insert the sound of crickets here ________________

you said: " END ALL RELIGIOUS EXTREMISM" , maybe we should "END ALL NON-RELIGIOUS STUPIDITY"

wtfjes66

you may want to do a little research on orginized non-religious groups , like Communists , because your little heros Stalin , Mao , and Pol Pot have pretty much taken the prizes for "human intolerance" , but I guess that wouldn't fit into the narative that your parents taught you would it? , na didn't think so

I can think of nothing more insidious and disgusting than this type of murder. Parents like this are not strict on their kids out of love, it has more to do with an obsessive desire to control every aspect of the child’s life and if they cannot maintain this control they would rather see the child dead. And if you think this is strictly a Muslim phenomenon you are sadly mistaken. There are plenty of Americans who share this same psychology and are themselves authoritarian parents or spouses. The only difference is that westerners seldom kill their victims (children or spouses) when they are unable to control them. It is the exact same psychology driving these people though, be they Christians or Muslims. And in either case the outcome is always the same. If the child is weak he will succumb to the brainwashing and become little more than an obedient whipped dog who will either become just like his parents or live in fear of them and be controlled by them on some level for the rest of his life. If he is an inherently strong willed person on the other hand he will naturally rebel against his parents attempt to control him and will become a rebellious angry adult, always fighting authority for the rest of his life. Obviously neither one of these outcomes are healthy ones. This is because the stronger angry rebellious person is still an effect of his oppressors. In other words by blaming his oppressors and staying angry at them he is still being controlled by them to a certain extent. Anyway instead of focusing on this woman’s death we should be focused on the millions of other children, both Christian and Muslim, or even non-religious, who are terrorized and brainwashed every single day for the first 18 years of their lives. After all, both a Muslim terrorist, and a Christian who bombs abortion clinics are driven to do these things for the exact same reasons. Sure, they both use religion as a justifications for their actions – a distorted interpretation of either Christianity or Islam, but its really a mental illness that is driving them both, and this particular mentally illness is typically a by-product of being raised in an authoritarian fundamentalist environment. Also, although I’m a strong believer in freedom of religion, I don’t think we should allow people to oppress and dominate other human beings under the guise of religious freedom. Also, although l don’t think there is anything wrong with hanging on to certain aspect of ones culture, I also think if people want to live here in the USA they should want to live primarily as Americans and should not to create their own sheltered little sub-culture right here within our borders - particularly if that "culture" or religion denies its members certain basic human freedoms. Same goes for Britain, or Canada, or any other free thinking western nation.

Islam and Feminism do not mix. The Islamic men are afraid of women! That is why they put them down and subdue them.

Defend America

Are you having difficulty understanding that they were asking God to remember what the Edomites did to them and how they celebrated invading and destroying Jerusalem and dragging them off to slavery. The psalmist who wrote the text was saying he wants revenge; he will be happy when someone pays them back for what they did. God is not advocating killing infants!

Luke 18:16

New International Version (NIV)

¹⁶ But Jesus called the children to him and said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these.

Nice try, but FAIL!

for there our captors asked us for songs,
our tormentors demanded songs of joy

How can we sing the songs of the Lord
while in a foreign land

Remember, Lord, what the Edomites did
on the day Jerusalem fell.
“Tear it down,” they cried,
“tear it down to its foundations!”
⁸ Daughter Babylon, doomed to destruction,
happy is the one who repays you
according to what you have done to us.
⁹ Happy is the one who seizes your infants (the Edomites)
and dashes them against the rocks. (as payback for what they did to them first)

I have never heard of HONOR killings in the christian religions. However, I do NOT say Christians are saints either. To kill ones on flesh and blood is ludicrous when they brought her to the western civilization and expected her not to have friends. It just doesn't happen.

stoning is the only form of religious cruelty that counts? sorry sir respectfully disagree. many forms of religious tyranny not just stonings.

and come to think of it... When is the last time YOU heard of a muslim stoning someone in the US? crickets?

am i missing the post that makes wtfies a commi? sounds like suumbody a lil gwumpys :) (If you have to ask) favor of stalin or mao? huh where did that person say that?! jesus im overlooking so much!!!

JasonFinPhilly24

Wow, whole lot of Islam scholars on here this morning. Islam does not preach killing your children either, it is religious extremists that take it to that level and use their religion as an excuse

When was the last time you picked up a quran?

They conveniently ignore/hide the fascism in Islam that originated from the primary (Quran) and secondary (Hadith) texts in the form of Sharia (Islamic law). The barbaric laws and rules of Sharia are causing the Muslims to suffer the most. Fact of the matter is, these so called Allah’s laws are nothing but the ancient Arab Paganic ruthless tribal social justice which had been cleverly ingrained in Islam and now causing the humanity to suffer.

Sharia law literally means religious code of life. Sharia guides all aspects of Muslim life including politics, daily routines, foods, clothing, amusements, sports, familial and religious obligations, and financial dealings. Because of this ardent belief, devout and fanatical Muslims all over the world are in constant struggle (Jihad) with their ruling Government to establish “Islamic Sharia” as the country’s only rule by replacing modern secular democracy (Laws made by human).

Muslims consider that, Sharia law was founded on the words of Allah as revealed in the Qur'an, and traditions gathered from the life of the Prophet Muhammad. Therefore, Quran and Sunnah were the principle guidance to formulate the core issues of “Islamic Sharia”.

12- Sharia dictates death by stoning, beheading, for sins like killing, adultery, prostitutions; and other Quranic corporal punishments like: amputation of limbs (chopping hands and feet), floggings, beatings and other forms of cruel and unusual punishments even for the sins like: stealing, sexual promiscuity, robbery, burglary etc.

21- Rebelliousness on the part of the wife nullifies the husband’s obligation to support her, gives him permission to beat her and keep her from leaving the home.

36. All modern music including sexually explicit music of any kind is strictly prohibited and punishable by Islamic Sharia code of justice. Only Islamic songs are allowed.

Readers can check following Quranic verses to understand the sources of the corporal punishments as per Sharia Justice:[Quranic Verses: 4:34, 4:15-16, 24:2. 5:38, 5:45, 5:33, 98:6, 9:111, 9:29, 3:85, 4:89 , 3:90, 4:11-12, 4:176, 8:1, 43:18, 33:61, 4:16-20, 2:282, 2:230, 4:3, 4:11-12, 9:28, 2:96, 9:30, 3:28, 16:106-107, 2:223, 8:12-14, 8:65, 47:4, 9:39, 2:96, 9:30, 2:191, 2:216, 48:20, 5:33, 9:73, 3:85, 9:113, 9:80-84, 33:21].For space limitations, it is not possible to cite exact physical verses here; but readers can open the Quran and verify the verse numbers I have provided above only to discover that—these verses are the nucleus from which most of the above corporal punishments and practices of Sharia law have been originated. Please mind that, the verse #s I have cited here are only some examples and never exhaustive of the list. Quran is replete with harsh cruel belligerent verses for unbelievers and violators of Islamic Sharia law which very well be the real sources of Sharia justice.

In those strictly followed Sharia nations such as Saudi Arabia—women are not allowed to drive, can not go out of home alone, remain under the guardianship of male relatives at all times, and must be completely covered in public.

Women and minorities are the prime victims of Islamic Sharia-based nations. Women and all non-muslims live as the second class citizens in their own country.

Islamic Sharia Law in Brief

This is a very good article written by a FORMER muslim.

http://www.islam-watch.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=625:islamic-sharia-law-in-brief&catid=79:mirza&Itemid=58

yes , you are missing alot...haha

that was a response to the alex guy that asked if anyone knew of any more religions condoning the killing of a family member like muslims supposedly do. i pointed out that the bible says you can stone your neighbor if that counts... not like family but still condones murder. NOBODY READS MY POSTS THOROUGLY. the question was IF it was written in any other religious book and the answer is YES you can kill another human being according to the bible. you can argue that christians may have evolved a little more, still sinister roots and still individuals within that religion carry out terrorist hate crimes as well as political leaders that are christian commiting war crimes like torture.

before painting with broad brushstrokes like labeling people commis,you should look at the posts on their page. fyi. the more you know. knowledge is power

From what I have read in the predominantly islamic countries this is common practice. Why would they want to come to the west? Money is my guess, even the islamic extremists want that almighty dollar...not much different in some ways...????

If all of the honor killings by Muslims were eliminated tomorrow the overall number of honor killings would plummet to virtually none. If all the honor killings by non-Muslims were eliminated tomorrow the overall number of honor killings would remain virtually the same. 99.9 % of honor killings are committed by devout Muslims following their culture and tenets of their religion. Everyone knows that , even the disingenuous liberals who deny it.

Liberals, faced with such frequent immoral behavior by Muslims carried out because of their devotion to their religion, have no way to defend Islam other than to attack other religions with the false charge that they are the same as Islam. It's a tired old tactic they employ over and over on these sites on every occasion that these atrocities are reported.

The irony is that if the Muslims gain control of liberal societies in the West , one of the first groups they will eliminate is the Left that believes in womens rights , gay rights and atheism. It's as if they are going to provide the rope by which the Muslims will hang them. The astonishing question is , why are they willing to commit suicide.

Mooselums are animals.

Big Dawg-3501358, lose the extrapolation bigotry. This is useless. You're suspended for a day for violating #5 of the Code of Honor.

Tyler: Why are you restraining him from saying that when everyday we hear some liberal attack christians on this site. You really have to stop being so one-sided. And yes, people do notice when YOU DO NOT collapse their views!!!!!!!!!!!

Why would they want to come to the west? Money is my guess, even the Islamic extremists want that almighty dollar...not much different in some ways...????

No is not about money, tey want to take the west because we are the infidels, they are living a religious war against us, and they won't stop until they dominate the west with their religion. Muslim have the highest rate of birth among any other group beside the Indus that now are turning to Muslim, very soon they all will be Muslims too. Muslims are fighting in two fronts , one is the Jihad with violent methods, and the other is less violent, with groups like CARE an organization in US that found terrorist groups, an organization that use our laws to take advantage of our system lobbing for more visas for Muslim immigrants, organization that promote other Muslims like Imam Rauf , well known for promote the construction of a Mosque near to Ground Zero and the Cordoba Center in commemoration of the victory of 9/11, CARE is also an organization that lobby in Americans institution and courts to be compliant with Sharia Law. All that with the help of liberal groups anti-Christians bigots.

Fights

"Randall, it's downright ignorant of people who can't see the difference between a false religion and a true relationship with God, our Father in Heaven, the Creator of ALL!"

Haha! I found this post the most entertaining of all. What exactly is a "true relationship with God?" Do you close your eyes and talk to yourself? Do you raise your hands in the air and mumble incoherently? If you asked a 1000 Christians what a "True Christian" and/or "true relationship with God" is you would get many differing answers. I know I've asked. I've even had a "True Christian" argue with another "True Christian" on what a "True Christian" really is. It was quite entertaining. You would think with an omnipotent god he/she can take some time off from his/her busy schedule to set his/her creations straight. You can insert any religion in place of Christian and get the same result.

oskar --------- Isn't it a brilliant stragetly. At this point in history they can simply move to the West , infiltrate it and eventually take it over and impose an Islamic Republic, sweeping away Western values and human rights , such as , freedom of speech , of the press , of religion , of separation of church and state, of equal rights for women.

Western countries , because of their embrace of diversity and multi-cultural-ism will even invite them in and pay their way to come in some cases. In past centuries non-Muslim societies would have never tolerated Muslims moving in and agitating to change the values and beliefs of the dominant society. The tactic Islam is employing now would have never worked then because then the West believed in the superiority of its values and culture and was unwilling to allow outsiders to change it.

It is this change in the attitude of the West toward its fundamental values and culture that has presented this opening for the Muslims to eventually impose Islamic Republics over the entire face of the earth and fulfill the wish of Allah as set out by Muhammad.

If this trend is not reversed , soon we will be living once again in the dark ages of the 7th century.

To. McHumans you need to get education we as latter day saints of Jesus christ might have the 6 pillars on Our Temples but we do not condone killing our children for straying from our religion. We do follow the 10 ten commandments also and one of them state. Thou shat not kill, I cannot think how someone kill their child for being a teenager in another country trying to fit in.

aquatone

...I don't think God exists, but if "He" does and condones this act, you can have him. I'm not interested.

aquatone,

NO WAY!

There is a God that definitely exists.

His existence is all around you and the rest of us.

The human body is the greatest testament to our superior being who sits in the heavens.

The biology and chemistry of the human body is too precise for this wonderment of existence to have "randomly" occurred.

Have you tried building a beating heart, constructing a pair of breathing lungs, creating a healthy liver, fashioning a pair of effective waste-filtering kidneys, molding a pancreas that produces insulin, fashioning an acid-filled stomach that breaks down the food, but whose acids do not damage the organ?

How magnificent have you been in mastering the "engineering" of a human brain that is so complex that even with mankind's achievements, it is estimated that we use only 1/4 of the brain's intellectual capacity?

What non-artificial arms, legs, hands and fingers have you dared to remove from the "lab" and attach to an amputee - and not have the recipient's body reject the transplant? Please let us know.

Many animals have biological organs to survive.

However, our God was merciful enough to give us the gift of sensory perception...eyes that can see a pyramid of colors, ears that can detect a whisper, a nose that can smell a delicious foods, a tongue that can taste and fingers that can feel.

The galaxies are an astonishment in physics.

Has it been you who have kept the stars, the planets, the sun and the moon in perfect alignment?

Aquatone, be thankful for the gifts that God has given us.

No doubt, Islam is extreme.

However, separate religious extremism from a healthy spiritual recognition and connection.

...scripture tell us...it is a fool who says there is no God.

Spot on Oskar and Gary!

The divide between radical islam and the industrial democracies will become the most destabilizing factor in world affairs yet we are told to “tolerate and embrace islam” by Obama and the liberal media. Radical islam is a force more explosive and dangerous than simple totalitarianism, Marxism-Leninism or Nazism.

The movement’s goal is to unite all of the Islamic nations under the leadership of a coalition lead by Iran and Syria. They see themselves as the pure expression of the real meaning of the Quran. Their first declared effort is to focus on driving the west out of the Middle East, then to destroy Israel, liberate Palestine and reestablish muslim authority over holy Jerusalem. The final goal is to replace the Judeo-Christian world order with muslim based world order. Islam has replaced Marxism as the number one ideology and power in the world to destroy western civilization.

We are already witnessing the dual edged sword of Islamic fundamentalism, propaganda and terror. Islam has cleverly used 2 approaches in its war with the Judeo-Christian west…it has convinced people, including the US State Dept and the media that the problems of the middle east all revolve around the dispute between the Arabs and the Jews over land and it has effectively used terror and the threat of terror to mute any opposition.

The American view has been that a lasting Middle East peace can best be achieved by concentrating on the primary cause of Arab discontent…ISRAEL! They believe that the removal of Israel to its pre-1967 borders would satisfy the Arabs sufficiently to reduce the threat of war to a minimum. (Didn’t president Obama recently try that?) We only need to remember the Persian Gulf War to understand that nightmare of our troops and news reporters wearing gas masks. It has not gone away with the defeat of Saddam Hussein.

Every once in a while, an important Arab leader will let his guard down and tell the press and public what he REALLY believes. When they do, it is important that we be listening AND comprehending!

The very basis of islam, is that God’s true covenant was with Ishmael rather than Isaac is based on a lie! If they don’t believe in God, why do they bother?

FedupwithFed ---------And , it's not just Obama and the liberal press. George Bush told us that Islam is a peaceful religion. None of our leaders are speaking honestly and truthfully about the threat to freedom of speech, press, religion, separation of church and state and equal treatment of women that Islam poses, although that threat can be easily identified by reading the Koran , Hadith , Sira of Muhammad and history of Islamic dominated societies.

We and our values are being betrayed by the leaders of our society and by the scandalous press that refuses to print the truth.

Track records of followers of Islamic cult since its birth are similar to this and many cases it is worse.

Only difference is that these days they have spread out to all infidel nations and many have marched backwards.

One fails to understand: why these Muslims should leave their great Muslim nations and sneak and try to settle by all in means in the US, Britain and other European nations?

Either they are not true Muslims or trying to be too smart for their Islamic religion clogged brains!

I am sad that this young lady lost her life. I am also sad that this family would kill their own daughter just because of the way she wanted to live her life. But surely this family is not beyond forgiveness. What they did was wrong, and they should be punished for it, but if God can forgive my sins, no matter how awful they are, then I can forgive these two parents for what they did.

If this horrific crime was not motivated by religous belief please tell me what motivated them to kill their daughter. Also please explain how a western lifestyle brings on dishonor and killing your daughter does not. I do agree that far to many people have been killed in the name of {insert your religious belief}. We are all brothers and sisters of Mother Earth. Stop the killing.

Have an open mind. This is coming from a Muslim Woman.

@ T Melora:

You made me laugh. Why do you post to other ignorant people, like yourself, about Islam? Do tell me what Muhammad "did". Enlighten me. Do tell me that Muslims don't also belive in Christ- wait, no Jesus, or wait a minute I mean God and/or the Holy Spirit thing too. Anyways, for the sake of you're small mind, I will call your "God" Jesus. Because I mean, they are the same, right?1+1+1=1 to ya'll Chrisitan folks. Muslims believe in Jesus and his teaching too...or did you forget that? As do many Chrisitan people. So. What I am trying to say, oh fellow Chrisitan preacher who needs to stop thinking he knows something when he really doesn't, to any Muslim, such as myself, it is clear ya don't know what you're talking about. At. All. And you're ignorance shows on your comment. So first meet a Muslim person- we won't bite- and talk to them. Who are you to judge? You're not God. In fact, you're just a person who thinks they know everything, when really, you don't. You really really don't. Going to online hateful Islamic websites to copy/paste everything? Aren't you just a bright light bulb. When the fact of the matter is, you know not one thing about Islam, or the history, or the religion itself. Turn off you're news and be open minded. Guess what, bubba? Islam encourages you, every Muslim out there, to study ALL religions and then try to find a religion better than Islam. Islam challenges you to. Does any other religion? I don't think so. But with this media and the hateful and the negative things you hear sometime makes you just prejudice or sterotypical, and people only hear what they want to hear.

All that aside, I just want to say that what the father did was horrible. One word: Culture. I just thank God I was born in America, my parents from the Middle East, and I have got to say, I hate their culture, and even my father himself admitted that culture and Islam were totally different. What the father did, I want to punch that guy in the face. I know my father doesn't like Westernized me, but hey, it's the twenty first century, and times are chaning. Just when will those idjits ever figure it out?

Anyways, for the sake of you're small mind, I will call your "God" Jesus. Because I mean, they are the same, right?1+1+1=1 to ya'll Chrisitan folks

Ladey: Actually you are a little wrong. Christians don't think of it as 1 + 1+ 1= 1

We think of it as 1 X 1 X 1 = 1 meaning they are all the same. Not 3 different beings, but the same God. Shows you how much your muslim upbringing is teaching you.

Turn off you're news and be open minded. Guess what, bubba? Islam encourages you, every Muslim out there, to study ALL religions and then try to find a religion better than Islam. Islam challenges you to. Does any other religion?

Well, let's see. I know that Christianity challenges you to.

Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether
they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.( 1 John 4:1)

But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good;( 1 Thessalonians 5:21)

Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should weigh carefully what
is said.(1 Corinthians 14:29)

We don't take anything for granted in Christianity. The bible actually encourages us to test those to see if their prophets' "words" stands up to those words of God.

For instance, I know that most muslims don't eat pork. So why don't they stop eating those other things that are also forbidden (shrimp, rabbit, etc) which are also contained in the books of Moses?

These ragheads need to be exterminated

Do tell me what Muhammad "did". Enlighten me.

Mohammad had sex with a little kid named Aisha, when she was nine years old.

Muslims believe in Jesus and his teaching too...or did you forget that?

That is not really true. Muslims view Jesus as an Islamic prophet who preached Islam. Jesus was in fact a Jewish man, who's disciples, after his death, founded Christianity

Muslims are waiting for Jesus to come back as a Muslim, and abolish Christianity.

in this hadith, Jesus will kill the anti-Christ and make everybody a Muslim, it's a blood soaked murderous Jesus, who is out to kill all non-Muslims.

Narrated AbuHurayrah:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: There is no prophet between me and him, that is, Jesus (peace_be_upon_him). He will descent (to the earth). When you see him, recognise him: a man of medium height, reddish fair, wearing two light yellow garments, looking as if drops were falling down from his head though it will not be wet.

He will fight the people for the cause of Islam.

Al-qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah, and many other Jihadist groups, fight for the cause of Islam, and Jesus will be joining them ? Will they accept a Jewish man in their presence.Muslims don't like Jews, you may have noticed.

He will break the cross,

Jesus will abolish Christianity.

kill swine, and abolish jizyah. Allah will perish all religions except Islam.

Because Islam is the only "real" religion ?

He will destroy the Antichrist and will live on the earth for forty years and then he will die. The Muslims will pray over him.

http://www.quranexplorer.com/Hadith/English/Hadith/dawud/037.4310.html

Now your second absurd claim

Islam encourages you, every Muslim out there, to study ALL religions and then try to find a religion better than Islam

But if they were to find a better religion, than Islam, they are to be put to death, as the prophet has instructed the submitted people (Muslims) to do.

Fighting for the Cause of Allah (Jihaad)

Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 52 :: Hadith 260

Narrated Ikrima:

Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said,

'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.'

Seems rather clear and concise, not a lot of wiggle room as they say.

http://www.quranexplorer.com/Hadith/English/Hadith/bukhari/004.052.260.html

Gary, Allan West does! That's why the liberals hate him so! He is not afraid to speak the TRUTH! Even our local newswoman, the new Katie Couric wannabe made false statements against him on the news the other day.

@Kat (way up at the top): I couldn't agree more! The first thought I had was, "What hypocrites!" If the parents loved their Islamic, Middle Eastern country and lifestyle so much then why did they leave it behind and move to a "Westernized" country? They were the encouragment behind their own daughter's actions. If you don't want that lifestyle in your home, don't move West.

@KPR: Christians believe their religion is the only "real" religion as well, and their has been endless bloodshed in the name of Christianity, "jesus" and "god". So, while your statements make a (somewhat) valid argument against Islam they are still lacking for they fail to mention the countless people (of all other religions) CHRISTIANS killed in the name of their "god" or murdered for refusing to accept Christianity or turning away from it. If you ask me, it's simple "turnabouts fair play". Your argument loses it's validity in the fact that you fail to realize there are evils on all sides. If everyone on all sides realized it's not hurting them for someone else to believe differently we would all be much better off. I could completely dissect your comment like you did with Ladey's comment, but it would be a waste to spend any more time speaking to someone who obviously has a biased view. BTW, I'm neither Muslim nor Christian. I am Agnostic, raised Southern Baptist, so I'm extremely familiar with Christian bigotry and find it highly offensive. Also, being non-religious and willing to enlighten myself in all beliefs I know far more than you'll ever be able to spew with your pointless rhetoric.

I am Agnostic, raised Southern Baptist, so I'm extremely familiar with Christian bigotry and find it highly offensive

I'm a pagan, and we have a holy trinity. They are reality, logic and reason. Using these three things, I know that Christians are not now killing people in the name of Christianity, at one time they did, but not in several hundred years.

Islam on the other hand, has armed insurgents on every Continent but Antarctica "struggling" (jihading) in the way of 'allah'. This is a common shared reality.

Logic, tells me there must be a unifying influence, that the widely separated groups strive to achieve.

the inplamention of 'allah's law, sharia.

Reason, tells me to believe my eyes.

The " unifying influence" are recorded in the trinity of Islamic sources (Qur'an, hadith and Sunnah Biography of Mohammad)

Prayers (Salat)

Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 8 :: Hadith 387

Narrated Anas bin Malik:

Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say:

'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.'

a very problematic meme, in my opinion, as I am a goddess worshiping pagan, who knows 'allah' is just a rock. I don't worship rocks, and have no intention of doing so.

And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah." Narrated Maimun ibn Siyah that he asked Anas bin Malik, "O Abu Hamza! What makes the life and property of a person sacred?" He replied, "Whoever says, 'None has the right to be worshipped
but Allah',faces our Qibla during the prayers, prays like us and eats our slaughtered animal, then he is a Muslim, and has got the same rights and obligations as other Muslims have."

Left unsaid is not accepting Islam can lead to the confiscation of property (Booty in the Islamic sense) loss of life, enslavement of Wife and children.

This is seen in the Sudan and other African nations in the present day. Slavery is having a resurgence in Africa, due to the reimplementing of sharia law.

I know far more than you'll ever be able to spew with your pointless rhetoric.

A demonstration of that would be nice

We could continue this discussion about words in the Koran versus words in the Bible ad infinitum. There are, however, certain facts , which cannot be overlooked : 86% of honor killings ("honor" ??) are perpetrated by adherents to the Moslem Faith. Pakistanis are an extreme example, as can be seen in our present relationship with that country. It is the country, not only individuals.

A big difference between Christianity and Islam is, contrary to Laies' assertion, that in Christianity every believer is expected to follow the teachings of the Sermon on the Mount. Compassion is a major virtue, which I fail to see in Islam. The Christian faith has evolved since the Old Testament and we are called upon to evolve along with it, as I said, in the spirit of the Sermon on the Mount. We are encouraged to modify and re-interpret Scripture, a thing not tolerated in Islam. Our Pastors and Ministers do not preach the killing of anyone, that, too, is different in many Mosques.

Whosoever uses the Crusades or other abuses as justification for a crime such as this - the cruel treatment and eventual murder of one's own flesh and blood need therapy. I am serious. This demonstrates in a very tragic way the importance of integration : it can be a matter of life or death. Having said this, I must acknowledge the fact that Moslems practising this kind of murder are inthe absolute minority and that most are as appalled as many of us here are. BUT : I am missing the outcry, the condemnation of such acts. CARE - where are you ?

I hope this couple ENJOY their very prolonged "Westernized Vacation" in Prison. They will really HATE the Westernized lifestyle then. I heard child murderers don't do so well there....... Karma.

Don't send them to prison, Send them to their home country and let them enjoy their freedom in a third world country. Why should the people house and feed them for this. Also take anything worth money before they leave

It seems to me, I recall a Bible story about an old dude (his name escapes me, at the moment, was it Abraham?) whom God supposedly instructed to sacrifice his own son. And the guy went and made all the preparations, then went so far as to take his son up into the hills with him, fully intending to carry out the murder. At the last minute, God gave the son a reprieve and said to the father, "Dude, I was only messing with you; wanted to test your faith" (or words to that effect). Sounds pretty similar to this particular situation. Yet Christians hold this Biblical dude up as a paragon of faith, someone to be emulated. If that isn't mental illness, i don't know what is.

Sounds pretty similar to this particular situation

Well lets see. The "old long dead dude's" son lived.

The Daughter of this "living dude" died.

there is in fact no similarity between life, and death.

They are opposites (life, death) by the defination of the words, they are not in any way similar.

First fan the niqab/burqa!

As it is in Britain, this incident is coming out. Even in Britain, there are more incidents like these.

These are common in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and other Muslim nations. No women rights groups, democratic proponents, no secular diehards bother about them.

@mathuin...keep in mind they will NOT be shamed by other idiot zealots of their own faith....oh no...they will be praised for performing what the Koran teaches!

they need the death sentence

Death would be too good for them. They need to be locked in a windowless, bare concrete cell for the rest of their lives with just enough food to keep them alive and no equipment available for them to kill themselves. And a couple visits a day from Bubba.

Mathuin--I agree, except that they should be put on trial for murder first, and serve out their jail sentence.

THEN they should be deported.

You cannot tolerate those who want to come to your country for the BENEFITS it's culture provides, and expect to get away with not abiding by your country's laws.

"Dead UK teen's sister: Our parents murdered her over Westernized lifestyle"
WRONG ... The parents killed her because THEY are Islamic savages NOT because SHE was becoming too Westernized. Furthermore, there is no honor to it. Muslims have no honor. They wouldn't know honor if it lopped their heads off and every other appendage on their bodies. Furthermore, this has also happened in the US a number of times already. And, for you apologists, dhimmis (useful idiots for Islam), rationalizers, explainers, etc., YOU are complicit in this. And, don't try to explain it away by calling it "cultural". Islam IS the culture. And don't try to minimize it by saying that it happens in other places. Approximately 9% of "honor" killings on the planet happen in other "cultures". This means about 91% of them are Islamic. Face it, people, we must put a stop to this barbaric, vile, medieval ideology. The longer you pretend it's not a problem, the deeper you are digging your own grave. Also, talking about and equivocating the evils of Christianity and Judaism with Islam have no bearing here. We're talking about Islam and Muslims.

Pray Hard, and it's your kind of Christian faith driven hate that continues to fuel the fire of hatred between faiths. And equivocating the evils of Christianity absolutely has bearing here, BECAUSE the evils committed in the name of Christianity are no better than anything done in the name of Islam. And you cannot lump ALL Muslims into the bracket of evil, just like we can't lump ALL Christians in the bracket of good. I have known countless good Muslims who actually hope and pray for tolerance between all faiths. Sure, that seemingly goes against their teachings, but they are of the mindset that it's none of their business what anyone else believes and that "allah" is the one to pass judgement on them. Just like Christians should remember that it is "god" who will pass judgement on what's viewed as "non-believers" to their faith. If you're going to talk about the evils of one faith, you can't forget about the evils of another. There really are no major evils with Judaism. They're generally the victims. And don't give me the "they killed 'jesus' line." I still blame the Romans for that.

Face it, people, we must put a stop to this barbaric, vile, medieval ideology

This is your statement I actually agree with. But, it goes for all sides involved. We must put a stop to this way of thinking from ALL sides.

The "younger girl" is now 22 years old, 5 years older than her sister was when she was murdered, AND she only decided to tell police because she was caught stealing. She is far from a saint or a victim, her self-preservation far outweighs her concern for her sister.

"Alesha Ahmed did not tell police that she had witnessed her sister’s death until 2010 after she was arrested over a robbery at her parents’ house"

Good points. I'm not surprised by it all considering everything she saw growing up and have such amazing and caring parents. I think I would be a little messed up and not making the right decisions. I guess my point was at least she is not at mercy of her parents.

Wow, pjam09, I didn't know you were a shrink. That was sarcasm, in case you didn't know.

Many victims of abuse act out. Is it right? No. Should she have come forwards earlier? Yes, but you have to remember, not only are they her parents, but she witnessed them killing her sister, slowly. She may even have uncles that would come after her, for further shaming the family, by betraying them. You didn't live in that house, you didn't witness the murder of your sibling, by the hands of your parents, and I'm pretty sure you didn't live in a household where you feared the ones that were supposed to love you and protect, were going to kill you.

pjam09

The "younger girl" is now 22 years old, 5 years older than her sister was when she was murdered, AND she only decided to tell police because she was caught stealing. She is far from a saint or a victim, her self-preservation far outweighs her concern for her sister.

pjam09,

The parents probably indoctrinated the younger sister, Alesha, with the same murderous beliefs. Along with fear, most likely, this is the reason why Alesha did not say anthing. As one poster said, it does not make sense to move to a western country and expect not to be "westernized." There is no excuse for this type of abuse and killing.

Pjam09: Well maybe since she saw what they did to her sister she wasn't in any real hurry to spill the beans on them. They might decide to snuff her too.

WOW! I don't put blame on the child for not speaking sooner, fear, no where safe to go. How can you judge her? I know I can't. But anyone who beleaves it is ok to kill the way these religious nut cases have it in thier twisted little minds needs to be put down like the mad dogs they have become. There needs to be a special section set aside in the humane society to euthinize and despose of these animals. Why waist valuable jail space needed for lesser offenders. And FYI this was not a religious execution so stop the religious camparisons. This was a supremast crime warding his power over the weaker and less valued human. It looks like a genetic flaw do to the way it has covered certan ethnic groups. I am not saying they have the market cornered on murder, but certain types of crime they are prone to. I'm just sayin. I am not religous, raised 2 beautiful, and successful daughters by myself to be nonreligious. By the way we are all very good people without a book to tell me what is right. Our moto do the right thing becouse it is the right thing to do. We should all try living by that moto and it would be a better world, leave all the gready sepeatist religions alone. I have done alot of study on religion and coud tell you some things that may help you to walk awaybut that is not for this forum.

If I witnessed my parents killing my 17 year old twin, I'm pretty sure I would have kept my mouth shut too.

Unhappy, you can't insult Muslims or Mexicans or Blacks. That's racial Profiling.

You can't insult Jews. That's anti-Semitic.

But Christians? Ohh yeah. They are always fair game.

I don't understand for the life of me why people who don't want their children "poisoned" by Western culture, would move into a western country. Most of us today have traditions, foods, etc. that come from the "old country", but we have assimilated those into our day to day lives here.

"Way to go mom and dad, kill one daughter, lose the other one."

I doubt that it bothers them much. Muslims generally don't place much value on daughters anyway, in case you haven't noticed.

This is my observation too. Having your daughter leave the house without wearing her bag is a great shame, but killing your own children is fine?

Letting them move to (any) country is like letting rattlesnakes in the house because they are cold. When they warm up they will bite you repeatedly. and they won't feel shame.

Watermoon PP doesn't fund killing children, it funds terminating pregnancies, where its about a zygote. I guess you flunged 6th grade biology as you dont know the different between a zygote n a child. Buts its typical of the Jeebus sheep

This is getting a bit off track, but 4.2 and 4.3 are somewhat pertinent to the story...

If a former boyfriend assaults his pregnant ex-girlfriend, and that assault results in the death of the "thing" growing inside the female, the man can be charged in the death of the "thing".

If it is a felony for the man (a crime against the "thing"), why is it legal for PP to do what they do?

Watermoon, there's a difference between killing a teenager by suffocating the life out of her and terminating a pregancy, You whacko.

Watermoon

Ask Planned Parenthood about the shame of killings ones child.

Watermoon,

When the mother has a risk pregnancy and her life is also at stake, ask the zealots about taking her life.

What is the point of losing both the mother and the unborn child?

Actually the difference is that nobody has seen the child in the womb yet, including the mother. So according to liberals that makes it okay to take the child's life.

However, I do agree with Walker. It is better to save one life than risk losing two.

If only abortions were limited to only saving the life of the mother, then a great deal of us pro-lifers would be happy. But it is a shameful fact that the vast majority of abortions are for post-fertilization birth control and everybody knows it.

What is that shame and Islam. Look at their founder hmself!

Exactly Beth. When 40% of the women who yearly have abortions have had at least one abortion beforehand, you know that there's a problem there.

No, unhappy. The difference is that the fetus in the womb is dependent upon the mother for life. Until it can live independent of it's host, she is the one who matters. The born child, on the other hand, is living and breathing and not dependent on another body for life. You know, well over the age when fundamentalist lifers stop caring about her welfare.

Beth - abortion is a difficult and often tragic decision to have to make. If you think people are using it as a form of birth control, you really should do some research.

Oh. So as soon as the mother gives birth to the unwanted child, it should be okay to stick the kid down in the basement and leave it there until it dies, because it was, after all, dependent on somebody else to keep it alive, right? And it should be okay to allow an elderly, bed-ridden person to slowly starve to death because they, too, are totally dependent on somebody else to keep them alive. Until the dependent person can live independent of their caregiver, the caregiver's needs are what matter. I see your reasoning.

Actually, you don't see my reasoning at all, dude. Anyone can care for a child after birth, or an elderly bed-ridden adult for that matter. It's not just one person that would make the call. That's why putting a kid in a basement and leaving it there until it dies is known as MURDER. As long as fetus is dependent upon host for life, the mother is the one that makes the decision. Not you, not your church, not your government.

You're right, I don't understand your reasoning at all. I was being sarcastic. I've heard of cases, though, where someone who kills a pregnant woman is charged with, and convicted of, TWO counts of homicide. Now, if it's murder for someone else to kill the fetus, how can it not be murder for the mother to kill the fetus? That's an unjust double-standard. And btw, I'm agnostic/atheist--definitely not the church-going type. But that doesn't mean that I'm devoid of a moral compass. Abortion is murder, as far as I'm concerned.

Slowly they will demand Sharia Laws in Britain and other nations when their population reaches five percent and more.

Most Muslims believe: what is ours is ours and what is yours is also ours!

Gurudev: Not to mention driving a stick shift with that burka thing flapping around is dangerous.

Slowly they will demand Sharia Laws in Britain and other nations when their population reaches five percent and more.

Which is something most liberals won't accept. To them it is stifling "diversity" because they can't stand christians telling them that this would happen.

But of course not Unhappy. Don't try speaking logic to liberals. It confuses them.

Your thinking really is no different from the parents. No wonder they thought it was ok to kill. Guess they took do as the romans do when in rome litterally.

Yes we do need to watch out. If we let the Right Wing Radical Christians implement their belief system as law, then the precedent for allowing Sharia Law will be set!

Maybe he read Revelation 2?

²¹And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.

²²Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.

²³And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

@Alan-2776505 - Paranoid much?

If Alan is paranoid, so is kimb54.1.

Alan--not just Britain and France--Time or Newsweek had an article a couple of years ago that said that at the rate Muslims are entering European countries--many of the illegally, since they can WALK there--accompanied by the rate at which they are reproducing, that by 2050 ALL of Europe would have Muslim majority populations, who could vote in Sharia law.

Moderate Muslims!!! Where the hell are you? Why is there not an outcry against this dishonorable conduct of treating women like chatel and children like garbage that you can take out at will if you think it is starting to smell like the west? Come on Muslim people...Where are you? Only you can change this horrid cultural norm and yet you remain silent...for the most part. Why aren't you marching in the streets to save these children and wives that have way too many "accidents" in the kitchen? Speak up!!! Let us hear your voice...Or go back home and continue your barbaric practices and stone age mentality. For once...Do the right thing by your people.

Well considering most muslims vote democrat, you are not going to hear from them. No wonder the liberals are so blind.

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^{Maybe they were Christian took Revelation 2 seriously}

²¹And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.

²²Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.

²³And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

keep posting one section of what i can assume is the bible guy... because Christians and honor killing is in the news constantly... get a life

TNRebel: So if it comes out, during the trial, that this girl was "fornicating," then it would be a justifiable homicide, in your opinion?

"We don't do HONER KILLING in the Western World."

But we honer killings though right? We create bombs and killing machines, and say its for peace, right..........

thepun...apples and oranges.

Joe, so tell me exactly how we have made things any better for women and kids in the countries we have invaded or supported revolutions in?

Like the Shah of Iran or not, his COUNTRY during his reign was very westernized, with women becoming Doctors, etc. Under the Ayatollahs? Not so much. Ditto the countries last year that dumped dictators with our help. Does Anyone think that the women in Afghanistan will CONTINUE to be allowed to vote once we are gone? Or even that they were not told exactly how to vote by their father, husband or son who to vote for? Ditto Iraq?

All we have done for those women is subject them to ten years of war.

as we all knew the murder have nothing to do with islam or any religion . these is an ignorance of people . To kill someone meaning you are acting as god and that big seen .who gave life and take life only god.

Again the first religion gave a freedom to a woman is Islam

Other than death, what "Freedom" does Islam give to women?

So you mean the catholic religion didn't do this very same thing many years ago?

The Catholic religion might have done similar things 500 years ago, TFN, but it is not happening now...except among the extremist Muslims. There really IS a difference.

" but it is not happening now"

hmmm, you might want to reconsider that statement. I guess the 60s, 70s, and 80s, never happened then with all them extreme christian cults. I guess charles manson is just a figment of our imagination and jonestown was just a fairy tale.

Here, have a story from 2008 where a mother refused to treat her 11 year old daughter, chosing instead to "pray"

http://theframeproblem.wordpress.com/2008/03/26/11-year-old-dies-because-parents-refused-medical-treatment-going-instead-with-prayer/

Shall I base my view of christians from this story?

Huge difference between cold blooded murder and trying to heal thru faith. Apples and oranges.

Wow Dee, keep excusing one religious insanity while condemning another. Its all just as insane, whether you want to wear blinders or not.

Punisher...No matter how you cut it, even 10 thousand wrongs that happened or are happening in this world, cannot justify this one wrong. One wrong doesn't justify another and never will. Somethings are just plain wrong and this is one of them. Standing up for what is right, even when it is inconvenient, is called "character." Speaking out against the wrongs in one's community or culture is called integrity.

Here, have a story from 2008 where a mother refused to treat her 11 year old daughter, chosing instead to "pray"

TFNJ, did you even read the story? They didn't belong to any church or organized religion. They had a Bible study group with a couple of other people.

No where does the Catholic Church say medical treatment should be denied. Popes have had plenty of medical procedures before.

The Punisher wrote: I guess the 60s, 70s, and 80s, never happened then with all them extreme christian cults. I guess charles manson is just a figment of our imagination and jonestown was just a fairy tale.

You should really try to read up on things you want to post. You are completely misinformed. The Manson Family had nothing to do with the Christian faith or any religion at all. It doesn't even warrant any further explanation.

The Rev. Jim Jones had nothing to do with Christianity either. He started his own church, The Peoples Temple. He used to deride Christianity and called it a "fly away religion".

What Jim Jones believed in was far left liberalism. He idolized Marx, Stalin and Gandhi. He was a darling and a poster boy for liberals. In 1961 the Deocratic Mayor of Indianapolis appointed Jones to head the Human Rights Commission. By 1976 he was admitting to everyone he was an atheist. Jones eventually moved to San Francisco and Democratic mayor George Moscone appointed him the head of The San Francisco Housing Authority Commission.

Jones met privately with vice presidential candidate Walter Mondale on his campaign plane days before the 1976 election and Mondale publicly praised Jones Temple. First Lady Rosalynn Carter also personally met with Jones on multiple occasions, corresponded with him about Cuba, and spoke with him at the grand opening of the San Francisco Democratic Party Headquarters where Jones garnered louder applause than Mrs. Carter.

In September 1976 Willie Brown served as master of ceremonies at a large testimonial dinner for Jones attended by Governor Jerry Brown.

I could go on here but you get the idea, I hope. Rev. Jim Jones, the largest mass murderer born in the US was a far left liberal and atheist, not Catholic or even Christian.

Yes Roodles, and its exactly my point. EVERY religion has nut jobs. That post is meant for those jumping on the "bad Muslims" rants. I'm not defending Muslims, or any religion. I'm not religious. But I'm keeping it fair. I've heard insane stories from all religions.

when you call all religion evil, not only is it false, but it's basically a hypocritical statement, because your worldview, like religion is a belief system whereby you live and make decisions.

Furthermore, people who adamantly claim there is no God, but then slam religion, are speaking out of two sides of their mouth. If there is no God, then that religion is merely the product of man, so ultimately, man is the problem, not religion. Basic point: if there is or isn't a God, man is the one creating all the problems in the world. At least with God, you have a purpose. All atheism can provide is hedonism-they package it under some altruistic disguise, but ultimately, its complete capriciousness based upon subjective whims. Of course this can happen in religion too, at its worst, as this case shows.

Jeff

I wouldn't necessarily classify myself as an Atheist but I do despise organized religion and the more adamant people are in their beliefs the less secure they are in their faith, or so it has been in my experience. I do confess to being emotionally abused by a religiously fanatic uncle. A man who twisted the words of the Bible to fit his views. So it is with all who blindly follow a given faith. Abdication of personal responsibility by declaring any act an act of God is far too common. We are in control of our lives, we have free will, we need to be accountable for our actions. It is arrogance of the highest order to pray for God to lead the way or to help when we are engaged in acts that are pure evil like WAR! How about praying to God or attributing a good outcome to God when we are talking sports!

The world is ours, religion IS about control, it IS about power. It was born of ancient man's inability to comprehend natural occurrences and it was exploited by people smart enough to understand the power, wealth and control it could deliver.

No one knows what comes after this life but I REFUSE to follow ANY faith, I'll take my chances by following my own common sense and my understanding of what is right and wrong instead of religions that demand the death of defiant children or that inspire people to gather together to sing songs like "Onward Christian Soldier" Marching as to war, with Jesus Christ our Savior, going out before. Good grief, could anything be more disgustingly hypocritical? Especially when you consider that children sing this song? It sanctifies war in the name of GOD! How much death, how many wars, how many terrorist attacks in the name of GOD? It makes me sick to my stomach to even think about it! Sanity takes a back seat when religion rears itself, rational people commonly throw logic aside and blindly follow their chosen truth. Perhaps you'll conclude that I'm doing this now!?

I tend to believe there is something more, but I seriously doubt that any God would bless the actions so many take in his/her/its name. I'll accept responsibility for my life when I face my maker and know in my heart that I'll not be damned for doubting those who lead so many to attack one another by telling them that GOD is on their side!

amen, brother...

we seem to share a few points. if i were to label myself it would probably be diest. i do believe in a god (who i talk to daily), but as far as organized religion and any written word on the subject, no thank you. the bible is a work of fiction, hearsay, third Nd fourth party rememberances and a bunch of pipe dreams. same with the koran etc etc etc...

The catholics? Oh yes, the Inquisition was a myth..

Once again, TFN, the Inquisition happened 500 years ago...it is not going on right now.

I will answer only in one post. That's a pretty lame excuse. Are you saying "we know better now"? So now lets slam another religion for still feeling this way?

Yeah, they renamed it the "Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith" and prey on children for self-gratification and hide it from lawful authorities.

And it was just a few priests in America... and then a few in Ireland... and then a few in Germany... and it 20 years ago, or maybe 10 years ago, or maybe a month ago...

TFNJ, you are a moron or an islamic extremist. Oh wow! I'm gonna give some modern savages a free pass because of something that happened hundreds of years ago! And everyone else who is dismissing this because of some crap that happened long ago, totally lame. Really? Two wrongs make a right? That's a great way to watch society progress!

Fact of the matter is, you can look back at history and find all kinds of viscious treatment by all kinds of peoples. That doesn't mean we just look away when someone today acts like a freaking animal! And unfortunately the truth hurts. Islam is assaulting the rest of the world with it's uncompromising brutality. They come to western countries and take advantage of our open societies, play on our tolerance yet don't accept us for who we are. And sorry, there are too many incidences of horrible muslim acts all over the world on a daily basis for me to truly believe it's a "religion of peace". It's a disgusting cult that fortunately is usually too busy slaughtering their own to kill too many of us. YET.

So all you cuddly western liberals living in your fantasyland utopia better wake up, because you will be the first ones they deal with when the time comes. And if the majority of muslims truly are moderate, you better speak up and get ahold of your religion, because these jerkoffs are killing it.

You can name call if that is the extent of your argument, but my message is, If you are Catholic, you have no room to talk.

"The "peace and loving religion" from 5000 years ago rears it's ugly head, again."

Judaism rears it's ugly head again? But I don't recall it's that old, I give up, drop a hint or something.

Banashar,

I agree with your sentiment. However, 5000 years ago was closer to when Judaism came about. Islam (if that is what you were referring to) is more like 1400 years old.

Same difference tho.

TFNJ--sorry, but the difference is that ALL Catholics have publicly been outraged by the acts of the few bad eggs in their faith.

NOT all Islamicists even were outraged by 9-11. And VERY few would publicly denounce such acts.

The infidels killed their child because she has been "westernized" and some of you liberal extremists are spinning the topic by attacking Christianity!?

hahaha, you're funny.

When the rest of the world realizes they are nutz.

I absolutely agree with you. Furthermore, you can say that about pretty much every religion. When are people in general going to stop believing in ancient fairy tales?

Some ancient fairy tales are worth buying into others not so. "Love your neighbor" (paraph Lev 19:v18 Original Testament) won out over "hug trees, kill people" & "Kill ye daughter lest she offend thee"

http://www.islam-watch.org/SyedKamranMirza/honor_killing.htm

Right, cause we are so stupid we couldn't have figured that one out on our own.

love your reply

Thank you!

6th century mind and beliefs in a 21st century world. Coexist????? Yeah right!!!