Sundiata your a fool. America's education system is far from perfect, but we practically own the world. You say we are stupid, then why is your pathetic country a tool to us?

Eric: "America's education system is far from perfect, but we practically own the world."

True. But that's because your forebears were way much smarter. The current generation? Well, your guess is as good as mine!

Plus, but for the war gear America would be nothing today! It would completely be owned by China, and you know it, which is why the U.S. is trying to encircle China around the world militarily. But there is always something wrong when a country competes on its war machine .... Unfortunately, smart Americans who know better and are trying to lead America away from this disastrous path, from the Coming American Crash, are being called names by the rabid crowd.

If it was not for the resistance of the whites, South Africa would have become a total basket case country, like what happened in Rhodesia. Rhodesia used to be the second richest country in Africa, only to be utterly destroyed and looted by Mugabe and his gangs of thieves. Now Zimbabwe can't even feed their own people and has to beg for food from UN.

Anytime you must maintain your dominance with a gun or physical force, you've already lost.

Israel take note!

No, South Africa will devolve into chaos within the next 10 years under marxist idiots like Zuma that think the ethnic white Africans are going to go peacefully into the night. Where do you think the ex-soldiers that once comprised one of the world's most modern and efficient armies are living now. I'll tell you, in places like Kwa Zulu - AND they are armed to the teeth. South Africa will not turrn into another Zimbabwe, and the ANC is fast on it's way to becoming obsolete.

My dear JP, your claims about ethnic white soldiers in hiding in Kwa Zulu ready to strike burst my sides. But it's not that funny, of course. It reminds me of the story of the Spanish priest who approached an Inca overlord with a bible. When his message was not accepted, he ran out and called out Spanish troops who were hiding in the bush to come out and kill all those infidels. In other words, it's your way, or nothing at all. Bring it on JP. If you think the rest of black Africa is going to sit by and watch the re-imposition of white supremacy in South Africa, you must be joking. You have options. You can leave for wherever your superiority complex would be tolerated. Or, you can stay and accept the fact that white supremacy in black Africa is gone, dead, caput. If you guys start anything stupid, you'll regret it because, as you know too well, man for man, you're no match in combat and we all now have access to modern armaments. Don't be a coward hiding in the US or Europe stoking fire back in South Africa. Come down and start anything stupid so we can squelch your balls!

Sundiata-2,

Your the reason your country will fall apart. Your as bad or worse bigot than your white former rulers. Problem is you believe your own bullsh-t. Black Africans have shown themselves incapable of anything other than stupidity and corruption. Nelson was a fraud and a poor leader at best. And he was as good as you'll ever produce at this rate. The sad thing is the average Black was better of under White rule than Black self rule. It's sorta like when unions take over the industries the represent workers in , the companies always go broke in the end because the "New" leadership isn't comprised of leaders . Rather the unions put thugs in place of leaders and wind up screwed up.If aparthide was so bad how come Blacks from other African nations were try desperately to get in to a nation with apartheid as law? Face it your socially about 600 years behind the West and you need to catch up before your able to run a bicycle efficiently let alone a nation.Give it up go back to school and let true leadership take place over the mob rule you now have.

South Africa..AKA the rape capital of the world....

No body should have to leave the home, where they were born but, damn. Those white people over there are in a bad situation. If they can, they just need to get out. Where is amnesty international when you need em? I would not want to be white and any where around that courthouse when they find that murderer guilty. And to the african hate monger posting here, please feel free to move back to the worlds biggest toilet and leave all of the convenience of the oppressed colonized world.

If there are hate-mongers posting here, it's certainly not the Africans. There seems to be a strange logic on this forum that says, "Hell, we're Americans.... We've got the right to insult and abuse other societies. So long as it makes us feel good that's OK; it doesn't matter what everyone else feels." So, you're galled to the deepest marrows of your bones that the subaltern has got the guts to speak back. Isn't that what's eating you up? You guys talk as if there aren't Americans in other parts of the world. When I was in China, I saw illegal American immigrants out there looking for jobs and opportunities. What insufferable arrogance!

Here's a fact for you. In africa the sight of white troops causes local militias, rebels, etc. to disappear.

leftsux,

You caught me cracking up on that one. Except ... the Battle of Mogadishu (1993) and the fate of General Charles Gordon at Khartoum (1885) seem to tell a different story!

Really? Based on what? South Africa still has a vibrant economy, not to mention an absolute treasure-house of natural resources. Jo'burg and Cape Town are world-class cities, the tourism industry is booming. How is South Africa not a "fairly modern country"?

were they fairly modern during the apartheid? if by modern you mean oppressive, bigoted, racist down right dirty then yes indeed it was a very modern nation just like America until the 1960s. lol You people are closet apartheid and slavery lovers aren't you?

Yes, One of the highest murder rates in the world., rampert povery, Why not talk about the systematic murder of White land owners? If you want to know what will happen to SA - just look over at the once "breadbasket" of Africa, Rhodesia- now a poverty stricken, corrupt, semi - starving country with a lunatic running the show- welcome to Zimbabwe.

South Africa used to have a relatively small layer of modernity supported by a massive pool of subjugated labor. Now the country is 99% cesspool while the remaining 1% waits to drown in the cesspool. Very typical of Africa. Governmental control passes from one pack of ignorant corrupt savages to another while the wealth of those countries are drained off by the governments elected by the ignorant masses. The sad thing is that even if whites were to be completely expelled from all of Africa tomorrow in a hundred years African governments will be just as inept and corrupt as they are now and they will still be blaming the whites their grandfathers knew 100 years in the past for the sad state of their country.

Phe - based on observations by countless people, including myself, that has been to South Africa on numerous before Mandela and after Mandela. Except for the first 5 years after his Presidency, the country has slowly morphed into a place with a pathetic infrastructure (except that run by Europeans or previous white companies), out-of-control crime, escalating welfare, almost 60% unemploymemt, a military that was once the envy of Africa but is now a joke, and corrupt, tribal buffoons that are continually elected by a population that creates a whole new meaning for the word "duped". Touruis IS the hunting industry which IS run primarily by white land-owners, and that goes for the tourism and other "resource" making entities within South Africa WHICH, but the way, people like Zuma want to nationalize - just like his Marxist colleague to the North did to Zimbabwe - and LOOK at Zim for a glipse as to the future of SA.

Ok, JP and Ohwow, we get your drift. There is only one solution. Give Africa back to settler colonists and imperialists and everything will be paradise once more! But I've got questions for you two.

1. How many centuries did it take England to modernise, to enter the Industrial Revolution, after Roman subjugation?

2. How do you suppose the injustice of settler colonialism and apartheid should be addressed?

I would encurage all of you to read or listen to Chimamanda Adichie's "The Danger of a Single Story". Africa IS modern and is not a COUNTRY! You have pegged Africa as being something negative, based on this story. So sad. For you that is. Of course SOME of Africa is in turmoil. They are trying to run it, in a way that is foreign to them. With no real instruction. After being lied to, abused, and downright misdirected. We came in trying to force our views on an entire continent, unfamiliar views at that. Should they have just grasped it immediately?

Are you people really insinuating that the only functional parts of Africa are the ones run by the whites? That is absurd. You are a minority, and no matter how many of those 300 years you have been there, you are NOT a native and have no real say so as to how things should go. If you want things to be run like they are/were in Germany, then I concur, You should go to Germany and live. And no, the scenario doesn't fit when dealing with America, because blacks (and others) were forced to be here. They didn't freely migrate. Different. Third-world? Maybe some parts of this HUGE CONTINENT, but not all. White people were third world until the natives taught them how to do everything for themselves. Except shoot people and make wheels. Whoopdy doo. I like that tho. You take everyone elses cultures, traditions, and methods of doing things, and then claim them as your own, making you a superior race. NOOOOOO, it only makes you a chameleon and a THIEF. Americans don't even have a dish to claim. Oh, besides the cheeseburger.

I see white people act as tho they're from a third world country and have lived here all their lives. I see racism and superior complexes everyday. I'm better than them and they're better than those guys. Shootings, killings, stabbings, rape, molestation, gender abuse, a corrupt government, and a few others right here in America. So because we have better cars, technology, and more money we're more civilized? HAHAHA. That's funny. You may want to take a second look and see just how civil we are. I bet you all believe that Khadafi was evil when the American Gov. killed him. That single story. The only reason he's dead is because he wouldn't let the whites take over his country. He brought food, water, housing, and jobs to his people. So much for evil. This white supremicist deserved to be bludgened to death if he treated people the way they say he did. The world is better off. Karma is B!*^#.

I would encourage all of you to read or listen to Chimamanda Adichie's "The Danger of a Single Story". Africa IS modern and is not a COUNTRY! You have pegged Africa as being something negative, based on this story. So sad. For you that is. Of course SOME of Africa is in turmoil. They are trying to run it, in a way that is foreign to them. With no real instruction. After being lied to, abused, and downright misdirected. We came in trying to force our views on an entire continent, unfamiliar views at that. Should they have just grasped it immediately?

Are you people really insinuating that the only functional parts of Africa are the ones run by the whites? That is absurd. You are a minority, and no matter how many of those 300 years you have been there, you are NOT a native and have no real say so as to how things should go. If you want things to be run like they are/were in Germany, then I concur, You should go to Germany and live. And no, the scenario doesn't fit when dealing with America, because blacks (and others) were forced to be here. They didn't freely migrate. Different. Third-world? Maybe some parts of this HUGE CONTINENT, but not all. White people were third world until the natives taught them how to do everything for themselves. Except shoot people and make wheels. Whoopdy doo. I like that tho. You take everyone else's cultures, traditions, and methods of doing things, and then claim them as your own, making you a superior race. NOOOOOO, it only makes you a chameleon and a THIEF. Americans don't even have a dish to claim. Oh, besides the cheeseburger.

I see white people act as tho they're from a third world country and have lived here all their lives. I see racism and superior complexes everyday. I'm better than them and they're better than those guys. Shootings, killings, stabbings, rape, molestation, gender abuse, a corrupt government, and a few others right here in America. So because we have better cars, technology, and more money we're more civilized? HAHAHA. That's funny. You may want to take a second look and see just how civil we are. I bet you all believe that Khadafi was evil when the American Gov. killed him. That single story. The only reason he's dead is because he wouldn't let the whites take over his country. He brought food, water, housing, and jobs to his people. So much for evil. This white supremacist deserved to be bludgeoned to death if he treated people the way they say he did. The world is better off. Karma is B!*^#.

BKPN,

Are you nutz? Name us one decently run Black ruled country in the world ,let alone Africa. You can't because there isn't one in the entire world. Not that there aren't educated Blacks there are but they have no power . The only Blacks with power are corrupt and despotic. Now you can blame a colonial legacy but it's getting to be a thin argument. You have had power in some nation long enough that there are citizens who have never known White only rule . So the "oh, poor me" bit is wearing thin equally. Face it for some reason you can't produce a government that is fair to all of it's citizens no matter what format or formula you've tried. So I'd say the old adage of "Sh-t or get off the pot" should apply here don't you think? I'm not advocating White rule, rather I'm saying that the rest of the world should band together and take over governance of your Continent till such time as you can show true ability to lead and not just seek revenge.

First of all I can, I started with Khadafi and I will end with Mandela. I can actually throw a few more in. Depends on who's version of well run. Americans are never satisfied so of course you'd have that view. Blacks have no power because Whites refuse to let them. Hence why, I repeat Khadafi is dead. The white government over there (and here) is corrupt too, but then that's ok right? If you keep people dumb on purpose, and then give them a country to lead, I would expect it wouldn't go very well. That is exactly what was done.

Now to the "your nation and the oh poor me" statement. I am not in a pity party. I am not African, nor do I live there. I live in the good 'ol b.s. US of A. Always have. This country is in shambles and we are focused on another continent. Why is it exactly that you need to band together and take over their continent to begin with. How does what they do affect you? Unless you want what's there. You should definitely do your research and stop listening to what you are told. As soon as a newscaster tells you there hasn't been one well lead country by blacks in Africa or in the world, you jump on the bandwagon. Khadafi was not corrupt. Egypt was well lead. Eritrea was well lead. And you can say it's getting old, but I still, after 300 hundred years, couldn't tell you where parts of my family came from. Which means that I do not fully know who I am, unlike you. There is an everlasting effect there, whether you can accept it or not. You can trace your roots down to the boat they sailed in on. I couldn't tell you out of the whole continent of Africa where mine came from. So no, YOU'RE NUTS!

BKPN,

You mention the names of a despot whom was overthrown by his own people, and a failed Commie that broke the back of SA's economy and ruined what was a slowly evolving first world oriented nation to a bigoted ass backwards run cesspool of rape, murder, and total injustice. And as to our supposed White run government, need I remind you of who's the President? And for that matter who runs most major urban cities? You are an apologist for the weakness of character and lack of common morals shown by the likes of the Black Panthers and the foreign leaders you mention.

May I suggest a good documentary showing how white farmers in certain parts of the african continent are treated?! Watch Mugabee and the White Farmer. It will give you a pretty clear picture of how racist blacks really are towards whites. It shows how white farmers who's land has been in their families for over 300 years are killed, beaten and burned out of their homes al lso blacks can have free land that they didn't work for. Which is typical of a lot of blacks. Always wanting something for nothing and all because they are black and feel they are owed somethning based on their blackness.

http://mugabeandthewhiteafrican.com/

http://mugabeandthewhiteafrican.com/

So how have you suffered in New Jersey? Can't wait ti hear this!

Hey bfromNJ, you know not of what you speak. Maybe you were educated in the public school system, so I can give you a break on your ignorance. Saying that whites have never suffered is like saying it never snows in Alaska. Do yourself a favor, google up the following... I'll keep the list short so your head don't explode:

The Roman Empire, The Mongol invasion of eastern europe, The Ottoman empire, Nazi Germany, Joseph Stalin, The Irish potato famine, The dark ages, WW1, WW2, Muslim conquest of spain... should I keep going?

Shhh...Lucas, we're not supposed to show facts...

LUCAS-1067224

dont let the truth get in the way of a good story!

idiots like him only read the american news.
you know the news where every white person hates black people and every black person here deserves our money cause you and i obvously made them into slaves over 200 years ago.

maybe if he looked into world issues and see that HATE is not a word only associated to crimes committed by a white person, then maybe this person would understand.

I am never said that I have suffered or that I am not white I simply stated the facts lol, your funny. @ Lucas I never said that other races never oppressed other races however the oppression meted out by the whites to non whites is unprecedented, look at the what they did in Americas to the Natives (completely wiped out an entire nations at a time) and the countless African slaves they brought over and their oppression/ animal like treatment for hundreds of years, what they did in Africa to the natives there, what they did to the aborigines in Australia, what the British people did to India in there rule over there, no corner of the world was left un-colonized and un-oppressed, hence the saying 'The sun never sets on the British empire".

Again I was talking about the suffering caused by the whites to others and keeping in my mind the relatively recent past of say 600 hundred years because anything beyond 2 or 3 hundred years can't really be considered as valid cause of contention now, thus you cannot counter that by presenting suffering caused to whites by whites or events from millennia ago. The whole point which you openly missed is the subjugation of others (non white races) by white oppressors. Let me humor your points: The Roman Empire was white and represented the Christian faith from Constantine on wards thus this helps my stance and goes against yours, Roman empire oppressed and enslaved countless Asiatic and African nations, the mongol invasion of eastern Europe lasted from 1223 - 1241 less than 20 years quite the apposite of centuries of enslavement and land stealing by the white Europeans, Nazi Germany was white who took pride in being white and Christian they oppressed and caused unspeakable suffering mainly to, but no limited, the Semitic people (the Jews in this case) thus this proves my point further, Joseph Stalin was white and inflicted quite bit of suffering on asiatic nations, the dark ages were self inflicted mostly at the hand of archaic Christian beliefs and the condemnation of science and discovery by the Church, both WWI and WWII were the white man's war and inflected nothing but suffering on everyone else, Muslim conquest of Spain was perhaps the most peaceful takeover of a country in recorded history and lead an era which was rich of culture and unprecedented scientific progress, compare that to the Spanish Inquisition where the streets ran red with blood, where libraries of historic and invaluable manuscripts were set a blaze as was the Christian tradition of long (still continues), do you have any more?

bFromNJ, some of your historical facts are contestable. You've still made my day, nonetheless. In spite of the centuries of oppression, many non-whites have been trying hard to continue to show hospitality and not be racist. But comments such as those on this forum make you want to snuff out the life of an incorrigible, implacable foe!

But more importantly the original poster posted "So-----Are they better off today? Just saying." thus implying that perhaps if the Africans were kept subjugated and enslaved it would have been better. So if you @$$hole racists can't see what is wrong with that then I'm sorry I didn't know I walked in to a KKK/nazi party. And my response to that blatantly absurd and bigoted statement was quite reasonable. and the rest of you "intellectuals" I don't watch news at all, I READ so either learn to read as well or openly declare that you are racists :) stop this pretend game.

Those that complain of racism...usually are...

Your "facts" are obviously skewed to your opinion. As is the case with most people. Racism was a strong undercurrent in South Africa to be sure. Today it still is. Only difference is that now blacks have equal opportunity to be racist and do racist things.

Pretty much the same here in USA.

....and the only place where slavery still exists in 2012 is in Africa where black people enslave and slaughter other black people and this goes on every day, but, sshhhhh!!.....don't tell anyone, it's a secret and as long as only black people are doing it, it's ok......

Actually slavery, or human trafficing, is still a world wide venture. Sex slaves, as well as domestic slaves, and slave laborers, are still a problem with virtually every culture on the planet.

"Those that complain of racism...usually are..." that is the most absurd thing I have ever heard lol. By that token if someone complains of rape then they must a rapist as well right lol. By this standard you are dammed if you do and dammed if you don't, if a woman or a black, brown, gay... person get profiled or abused and I guess if they complain about it its their own fault right? because as per you they are themselves racist. The awesome thing about facts is that they are facts and can't be skewed only opinions can be skewed, in any case you are right racism is still prevalent in our societies and therefore i am not surprised that you didn't see the bigoted nature of the original posters post.

Comparing rape to racism is like apples and oranges.

As to the original posters post..."So-----Are they better off today? Just saying."

You yourself said about "facts" ..."The awesome thing about facts is that they are facts and can't be skewed only opinions can be skewed,"

So is the original posters opinion skewed? It's hard to say from that post alone. It also doesn't offer any "facts". It does pose a question. It does give what some may consider an "opinion".

As a whole it can easily be argued that "they" the blacks are better off since they are no longer considered as slaves. At least as slaves to the white "over-lords". It has been rumored here that the "black over-lords" may not be much better. It is also apparent that the Nation of South Africa...isn't better off.

But the new management simply needs to learn how to run things...better.

They are finding that is still the same old same old. Put bad people in power and bad things will continue to happen. It's not as easy as many make it out to be.

Hakon Montag,

The new management is having to run a country much larger and more complex than any apartheid regime ever had to, and that includes the monstrous legacies of those apartheid regimes, such as a poorly-skilled majority kept mostly uneducated in order to maintain white supremacy. Have you considered that this fact impinges on general economic performance and that it will take some time for things to turn around? Even so, SA's economy has grown richer and bigger than 1994, and vast sections of the majority population have a better life today than under apartheid.

bfromnj.

SERIOUSLY?

WHITE PEOPLE OPRESS THE MOST?!

hey trad for brains, do you not see what happens in africa on its own? BLACK people killing other BLACK people for voting.

i guess you saw the name KONY and thought the guy was from new york?

really?

dude get your historic facts straight!
SLAVERY STARTED IN AFRICA!!!!
they exported slaves to america after they watched tribes invade other tribes and take the survivors as slaves!!!!

AFRICA HAS OPPRESSED ITS SELF PLENTY WITH OUT THE WHITE PEOPLE BEING THERE!!!

there should be an test before people like you are allowed to try and teach history on any forum or comment setion!

Oh and fyi

slavery still happens today around the world, and white people have nothing to do with it!!!

i feel sorry for your history teacher, unless they taught you this crap!!!

"SLAVERY STARTED IN AFRICA!!!!"

Listen to this ill-educated OMG buffoon, whose history teacher died before he could learn anything! A few suggestions on whites killing and enslaving other whites: read Herodotus' histories. It's either selective amnesia or most Americans are really poorly educated.

ok nycguy your comment on slavery is just stupid. Slavery still happens in 2012 EVERYWHERE have you not heard of human trafficking. India has huge problems with slavery, more than Africa, where a persons whole family is stuck in "bonded labor" due to a debt owed. Women are taken from Eastern Europe and forced into prostitution as well as from all parts of the world, and not more than a few months ago a wealthy family HERE in the US was charges with enslaving their domestic worker. Also another case where a man in NY had bought a 13yr old girl and kept her as a domestic worker. Not to mention sweat shops all around the world So tell me again how slavery only exists in Africa.

And OMGREALLY you sound so silly. Have you heard of the Roman Empire slavery has been around forever it didnt start in Africa. There are tons of examples of slavery all through out Europe. There was slavery in South America, Africa, Asia etc so why dont you pick up a boo before you start calling other people dumb. This is like basic history you should know

Screw you stay in your cesspool, attacking American Society as if Africa is a beacon of anything positive. Do you idiots still think raping a child cures aids?

bFromNJ: You do realize that blacks had white slaves.

Every single race on this planet has been a slave to a different race.

Jason,

Sometimes even a cesspool can be a paradise. There was once a great African leader who said, "We prefer freedom in danger to servitude in tranquillity." Since Americans have been invading foreign countries ostensibly to protect their "freedoms", you surely must understand what this means. In fairness, I may have over-generalised the point about American educational standards. Perhaps, I should have made it clear that I still believe the United States has some of the best centres of learning and research in the world. But any objective observer wouldn't fail to realise that those centres of learning are increasingly being populated by foreigners or foreign-born nationals. It's probably too much for you that someone from the "African cesspool" is bringing this to your attention. But this decadence actually goes beyond formal education. My illiterate folks in the "African cesspool" show great hospitality and respect toward foreigners. This is because, without having been to school, without having lived in skyscrapers, they know that they share a common humanity with people on the other side of the ocean. Thus, when I come to this forum, expecting to learn from people who live in more developed parts of the world, and all I see is some Americans insulting other societies and races, I can't help but think that these Americans, of course not all Americans, must be far less civilised than my unlettered folks in the "African cesspool." Apologies to decent Americans offended by my comments. But, surely, you do understand where I'm also coming from, don't you?

The KKK was founded by Democrats...

and slaves were freed by a republican

Who cares whether the KKK were demotards or republitards! They were white, just as is the AWB in South Africa. That's the problem being raised here, not your petty, sordid partisan politics.

I notice you left the violent Black Panthers out of your rhetoric. Freudian slip?

@Sundiata - one can tell that you are well versed in American "politics". One can also tell that you have many issues...

@proudamericanveteran

Black Panthers only MET violence WITH violence. Nice try tho. Martin Luther King was a sham. Convincing his people to get spat on and burned to death and that all would be well. You spit on me, I'm spitting back. He was a Freemason with an AGENDA. Oh and a Communist. How's that for facts. And since we are on the fact bandwagon, This country (America) is largely run behind the scenes, by a party that is neither Democrat or Republican. So all of you that ARE so "well versed" in politics, should know that they technically don't exist. It's trickery. FOOLS. The only politics Americans possess is Greed, selfishness, human/caveman behaviors, lies, and deception.

I wouldn't be proud to be a vet fighting in a war, killing people, that you don't even know the truth as to why you are killing, all for someone else's agendas. That makes you a sucker!

BKPN,

You claim your not black but you reference your ancestry as being unknown as though they were from Africa. Well my great grand father was black from Africa and I'm not ashamed to say so. But I am ashamed that persons sharing the same or similar racial heritage stoop so low as to support Shabazz and his group of racist thugs. What ever you are your a bigot , a traitor, and a moral degenerate. Your facts as you present them are either wrong or purposely dis or mis information . I personally think you a shill for G. Soros. and with that being said I bid you and the scum you float with adieu. As further conversations with you would be futile because you can't or won't speak the truth, only distortions and left wing rehtoric.

Overall most People in SA live peacefully and in harmony and life goes on.

Hardly. The crime rates in South Africa are completely out of control, and will only get worse. People live in a constant state of fear, homes have to be fortified with electric fencing, bars over all windows, armed response alarm systems etc.

I am frankly stunned by the asinine attempts by some people at defending Mugabe in some of the posts. I have many friends who have had to flee Zimbabwe (white and non-white), and I have yet to meet anyone from Zimbabwe who considers Mugabe to be anything other than the despicable human being that he is. There are so many non-white Zimbabweans in South Africa with extensive education working for any wage that they can find (because they are not legally in the country). But that is still better than living in Zimbabwe.

I do agree with you that unfortunately the country has had not had a decent leader since Mandela. I also agree with you completely that SA is still one of the most beautiful places in the world and well worth visiting.

@jdarizona, Africa is not, I repeat NOT a COUNTRY. Ask any African and they may tell you how annoying calling it one is. Speak correctly. It is the worst to be LOUD AND WRONG!

As for the rest of your comment, I can't even bring myself to respond to the dumbest, most illogical statement of the year! Free themselves from themselves? Prosperity to poverty, overnight, with the end of apartheid? Of course whites wanted Africa to prosper when they were in charge. It is the motherland with the MOST natural resources on EARTH! If everything works, they can claim it as their own and say they made it like that. Sounds like an agenda to me. Only certain Countries in Africa are in turmoil. Get your geography and sociology lessons in order. I would say history lessons too, but what you read in your H.S. textbooks is all lies and biased b.s. Do your research on the history of Mt. Rushmore. I bet you thought it was put there for freedom and blah blah. Nope! Symbolism of the KKK and a new world agenda, including the separation/extinction of races. But I guess if you are a racist, as you sound like one, then this info will excite you.

Finally, who's going to save the whites from themselves? Cause most need saving in my opinion. Fake lips, tans, butts, noses, etc... Seems like we/they really want to be like every other race. Inferiority complex.

Beekay: No you're wrong, the most ignorant comment this year is yours!! You really need to further your understanding of the African Continent by fact not fiction, which is a commonn problem with people like you. The truth alludes because you can't see beyond your own bigotry, hatred and delusional beliefs which you highlight in your ending comments. Africa would still be in the stone age if not for White intervention, like it or not!...You're just silly, uninformed and a borderline loon but go with it if it suits you!!!!!

Are you serious? How could you EVER know that Africa would still be in the stone age without white intervention? Thats the most ignorant comment I ever heard of.

Tears: You might try reading about the history of Africa a little more and commenting a little less, your comments seem to precede your ignorance of the topic...You can't prove anything to the contrary as it is what it is...until the intervention of "other than black" back into Africa, any and all progress would have been minimal, if at all, they were tribal by nature and uninformed about the rest of the world's progress...get over it, it's not a bad thing only how the world works....

You guys are funny, the stone age? I mean, is that an exaggeration or do you honestly mean that. I read and study, all on my own, so I speak facts. And again, I hate no one, not even white people. My mom is white, so spare your rhetoric! Oh and, again, I never mentioned Shabazz

Bee: If, in fact, you "study?" on your own it's showing and may be the cause of your ignorance towards the subject matter? I would suggest you invest in a proper education, by what you post it seems your efforts aren't paying off! Your failure to comprehend words and concepts is apparent. "Stone Age" is still apparent in the world today, New Guinea still have people using stoneware (spears, axes etc..) witch is representative of the Stone Age! The fact you have a White mother doesn't exempt your statements, they are representative of you true feelings or you wouldn't have written them! You ARE harboring deep seeded feeling and they do show, work on them OK???...

if u a pianist and u want to play nice music u cant play the black or white keys alone, u have to play both to achieve nice sound"

Words of a wise man.

I disagree. Maybe the "dark age" is the way they WANTED to keep it. Maybe all of this "civilization" is the REAL problem and they knew it. Ruining the land and agriculture with all of this technology and building. I think for you to even make that statement is ridiculous.

"Without white influence they were totally UNABLE to develop anything?"

You don't seriously believe that out of millions of people, all of them are totally unable b/c they are black? Did you forget about Egypt and the Mayans. They were black or at least African. They built pyramids, figured out most of astrology, and mastered geometry. The only reason whites knew anything is because they were nosey, meddling, peoples. Always in everyone else's country/business, stealing their knowledge, and then giving their two sense as to how those people should do things different. More than half of what the WHITE INFLUENCERS KNOW is someone else's culture/ tradition/science. They couldn't even figure out what to do with a whole cow. From skin-to-organs. If they weren't constantly sailing around bothering people, they too wouldn't know s#!*

What if the "light ages" are what's really wrong, not the "dark ages"? Because in this light age, it still looks pretty dark to me.

And one last thing before I blow this joint... If it wasn't for African colonization 1000 yrs ago, Africa wouldn't be in the mess they're in now.

There is no question that blacks were treated unfairly but on their own were totally unable to develop anything but continued tribal warfare.

You don't know where they would've been without white influences. Africa may have turned out to be greater/smarter/more powerful than America. They were never given the opportunity to do things their way. WE decided it wasn't good enough. Why did they have to develop anything besides tribal warfare anyway? Because we wanted to be there, so we said so, so that we were comfortable. Notice the we, we, we. Selfish

BKPN,

A 1000 years ago the rest of the world knew vaguely about some of the Coastal areas of Africa but nothing about it's interior till after WWI, and then it wasn't till satellite mapping and imagery that the rest of Africa became known to the rest of the world . So your hypothesis about us screwing you up for the last 1000 years is nonsense. Africans need to take responsibility for the fact that your problems are more self deriving than caused by outsiders. Same thing with the slavery issue , it was your own people that sold your asses to whom ever was buying (it wasn't just Americans , try Brazil, or Jamaica for example), and it's still that way today, so whats you excuse now? Give it up on the self pride that generates stupidity issues and get an education and go back there and clean it up. Otherwise shut up and spend your dole monies and let the rest of the world get on with issues that aren't tribal in origin like most of what you complain of.

@oergonjoker

It's funny that you say that because I am not black or African and you're dumb as hell talking about the interior, satellite mapping and slavery. That is not a fact. Who mentioned slavery. We're talking about whites taking what's not theirs all the time and ruining other cultures. I highly doubt that the whole continent of Africa sold their people to whoever was buying. So you're saying that there were no forced slaves? Shut-up

Oh! and by the way BKPN,

The Mayans were from MesoAmerica and long gone by the time Europeans arrived on the shores of Mexico not Africa. Also true Egyptians (historically) are Arab , a white culture (and yes I do know that there was a breif period where Sudanesse rulers held Egypt , So did the "Sea Peoples" but that didn't make either group truly Egyptian , nor did there Greek,French or Englis rulers make them Greek, French or English), not Black so both your examples are moot. The funny thing is you do show your self for the self centered cultural and racial bigot you are with such weird statements.

BKPN,

Forced ? Yes By whites , NO. Tribal attacks by other tribes lead to slaves being sold to Arabs who in turn sold them to whom ever was buying ( other Arabs, Asians, etc., not just white Europeans). And as to whom brought up slavery "and the countless African slaves they brought over and their oppression/ animal like treatment for hundreds of years, what they did in Africa to the natives there," seems to me those are your words.

Also, if your not Black why the defence of a racist , violent group like the Black Panthers? Do you really support Shabazz and his ilk? Why would you support such @!$%#s if your not Black, considering he's called for the destruction of all other races than Blacks ? Do you really think leaders such as the Black Panthers present are doing valid work and are not breaking the law of the land,and corrupting or at least attempting to corrupt the Black youth of our nation?

If so, then Sir, I would put forward your a racist bigot and a political traitor that advocates what he decries in others , in other words a servile creepy little hypocrite.

As interesting as your argument sounds, Egypt, by way of fact, is IN AFRICA. And was well lead. Nor were they white. You guys sure try to take all the credit for everything. Even Jesus. Also I am not really sure why Mayan wound up there. Probably due to spell check and me not checking thoroughly. You are correct. If you knew the facts about the Black Panther party and Malcom X, then you would know that he, nor they were actually racist. It's only what they wrote in the history books. I never gave them support, I only defended them because they met fire with fire. So you can spit on me, but if I spit back, I'm some how more wrong then you? Oh friggin' well. I also never mentioned Shabazz, my support, or the Black Panther Party in present. And I don't remember stating that blacks were treated like animals, although they were. But if that was your grandmother and ancestors, you would feel a type of way too. If you couldn't say where in all of Europe you came from, you'd feel incomplete. That is the only reason I mentioned slavery. You will never know the feeling. As for the colonization 1000 years ago and commenting on someone else's comment about 300 ago yrs of slavery, you should learn to read all of something, not just skim thru. Or you may misconstrue fact, as you've done so often before on this thread and obviously in life. And again, no I am not black. I am multi-racial and proud. So I can talk as much junk as I'd like about them all, especially if it's true!

Beeee: The Egyptians weren't black and were possibly the first "other than blacks" to reenter Africa with advanced technology or their ancestors. And the pyramids, it is now coming out, may not have be built by total slave labor, as they are finding sites suggesting there were communities where skilled laborers lived and worked at the sites of the pyramids and that it might have been a honor for Egyptians to serve the Pharaohs in this capacity. And, NO!, the Mayans aren't part of African history, WRONG again!! Then there's your multi-racial heritage and another example of your bigotry "talk JUNK?" and you think that gives you a right??? Poor little girl!!!!....

Yes, murder is murder. Doesn't matter the race or ethnic background.

Too bad people can't figure that out.

Hakon Montag: "Yes, murder is murder. Doesn't matter the race or ethnic background/ Too bad people can't figure that out."

If you read carefully, you'd notice those of us reacting to comments like yours also agree that the black farmhand deserves the conviction if it has been established that he did indeed commit the crime. The problem is with the likes of JP coming to spew some white supremacist garbage and getting support from guys like you who ought to know better. So, yes, "[t]oo bad [you too] can't figure that out."

I have not supported any "white supremacist" garbage.

I do stand by my statement that "you" have issues.

Semi-civilized savages? I am wondering who you are referring to, but in the event it is the Africans, let me help you... Africa as a majority cherishes their education much more than we as Americans do. That is proven in educational stats. We are 25th. Africa respects their land, when all we do is litter and abuse ours. Africans are "their brothers keeper", meaning that they will feed a homeless/motherless child. Will you? Probably not your problem right? Africans believe in the difference between needs and wants. All we focus on is wants, when we have people that need and we are not willing to show them the way (not even talking handouts here). As selfish/greedy as we are, Africans believe in sticking together as a village to get things done. Like raising a child. I am starting to see, with this thread as an added tool, that white run America is the actual semi-civilized beast (saVAGE). Go on you-tube and watch "The Village of One Hundred" You'd be surprised at what you read/see.

@nothing new here-1200374, I doubt it'll take that long...

Ubermann? have u ever lived in any country in africa? if u havent then u nothing but a armchair quarter back. U probably get your news From normal politically biased USA network whom only report what they see as something they can make money on. People in africa are nice and they get along with just about anyone, even ANC and AWB can if need be. get a life

Seriously, how hard is it to spell out the word YOU ?

UberMann, there is obviously something in a name. Your handle certainly suits you. But you won't be the first to have called the victims barbarians. The barbarous Roman invaders did centuries before. You know, I have a solution for all your worries. Just wipe out the non-white races and the world would be such a great paradise for you. This would be your own holy war and, from the deep recesses of hades, we shall pray to your "white" God for forgiveness for your souls.

@Angela LD,

does it matter? Really? You/ U, You are well aware of what's being said right? This is a thread, not an English exam.

in reply to Angela. This is a blog. U make me ROFLOL. or do u have a POS.

good tune

@ZOZIMOS

Just because that is what the prosecution says his motive was, doesn't mean that is the truth. Easier to convict him if the motive was money. None of us will ever know the REAL MOTIVE. Only the people that committed the crime. The article also was written to state that the defense said his clients motive was unfair treatment, unpaid wages, and abuse. Is that not just as believeable? Just sayin'

oregonjoker,

You're too damned stupid and retarded to be debated. I don't know if you can be rescued, and whether there is any use doing so, but get a proper education and then, only then, can you begin to comprehend world affairs. Spending a lifetime listening to retards like Rush Limbaugh et al. won't do you any good.

Most Africans are actually appalled by the quality of political leadership on the continent. But the reason they're constrained to do anything about it is because Western powers often want the situation to remain so. You've only heard of those leaders, who fell out with the West, but you haven't heard about those leaders, who were opposed and removed by their people but were reinstated by Western powers like France. You're lucky to live in a country which is not controlled by any external power and where the wishes of the people can be upheld, at least some of the time. Obviously, you have no idea how it feels to be subjected to discrimination by foreigners on your own soil, of the the sense of irritable helplessness this produces, so you can spew out all this trash.

Once again, you must not read very well because if you did, you wouldn't keep saying "yours" and what not. I AM NOT AFRICAN and am blaming my life on no one. However, if you have you never been to Africa, then you should again, shut-up. I'll blame that lack of education you received, on third-world "COUNTRY" Oregon. They taught you guys about milking cows and how to hate right? Oh and how to wear cowboy boots and ride horses, but that's about it. Not even how to brush your teeth properly... Again, "the danger of a single story". I didn't mean that, but if all I listened to was the stories I hear of uneducated/ mentally slow Oregon, I may think that was the only story. Except even tho I've never been there, I somehow know better, unlike yourself. It is a cesspool at best and every country is corrupt? How do you know that? Because that's what FOX news told you?

And, not for nothing, Obama's problems ARE a direct result of Bush and Clinton, and Reagan, etc. no matter how you put it. And guess what, I think he's corrupt too. It's just that your "kind" NEEDS him to fail. So that way you can put more blame on black folks and validate how they're incapable. So I can blame Arabs and Blacks for slavery, just not white people? If that's who I blame then the story is old? Hypocrite. If you create a lasting problem, then the blame is on you. It's easy for silver spooners to take responsibility for their own wealth, except it wasn't yours. Your parents left it to you, Damn! Guess you GOTTA blame them... You are illogical and naive. If you think that Arabs and Blacks are the only people that held slaves and are the only cause of slavery, then you are an idiot. If I was an African slave, I would've stayed there, in Africa, if it was the Africans enslaving me. The white people took the slaves off the continent. Point blank period. White people held slaves and I know of thousands of corrupt, third-world, backward, aryan countries but you're still better than everyone else? Right in Oregon you have murderers, and pedophiles, and sex slaves, and bigotry, and violence towards minorities, and, and, and....... Comments like yours attempt to justify why treating Africans and blacks like so, is ok. You can read all the white written textbooks you want, with biased skewed facts, but again, that's what makes me smarter than you, not to mention, with a better, not so see thru, complexion. Jokes on you. I'm done talking to illiterate people.

Sundiata-2,

Ummmn, have you ever heard about our revolution? We overthrew a despot Governor a long time ago. So I expect Africans can do the same given the urge to really have an equality minded government. But tribalism stands in the way. Just read your own statements and you'll see that your type of bigotry stems from tribalism. And yes I have heard of the supposed leaders you mention but you fail to mention that their own peoples didn't support them either. and that's still no excuse for the current regimes in power all over the Continent. Be they Arab or Black they are all, without exception corrupt , tribal, and bigoted. The trash being spewed is your weak kneed excuses for not going home and starting the revolution yourselves. It's easy for you to sit in the West and carp about how bad Whites have screwed you, yet your here not there so I think you've shown your colors by your feet and where you plant them. Quit blaming others ,get off your ass, and go start your own revolution in your homeland and quit whining about what your unwilling to do your self.

By the way I didn't blame slavery on the Arabs or Blacks they just started it , but then the Whites in the West realized their error in their ways and stopped it, unlike the Arabs and Blacks holding slave's currently in Africa and Asia

Oh also I never inhearted anything, I have worked for every penny I've ever earned. I'll bet you can't say the same. .

First, Africa isn't one country, just as Europe isn't, so be cautious about generalisation. Second, my country is more democratic than even the United States, so we don't need a revolution, thank you! Any foreigner to my country will tell you that they're welcomed with ritual hospitality, be they black, Arab, Asian, or white. That is the mark of civility. Before I came to the U.S., I helped so many American students who visited my country on study tours, and I didn't do it for money. As custom demands, my people believe it's a sacred duty to show generosity and honour to the foreigner. In the U.S., I was prevented from entering my own office because somehow the white security guards couldn't believe that a black person could be entitled to that office, so that showing them my I.D. was even moot. Now, tell me, who was more civilised, I, who helped the American students that visited my country, or, the white security guard, who stopped me from entering my own office because of the colour of my skin? As I keep saying a lot of white folks have a long way to go to become human, to become global citizens. Do I hate white people or the West? Definitely not. In fact, I'm grateful for the world class education I've received in the best schools in both the U.S. and Europe. Do I hate racist bigots like oregonjoker? Damn, I do!

Jimmie, that's the spirit! We'd be happy for South Africa to be truly rainbow, an example to the world. It's unfortunate that some black South Africans are taking their frustrations on white South Africans. But these are the fringe lunatic minority. The question is: are white South Africans genuinely willing to respect the natives as co-citizens, as equals? Unfortunately, I've met so many white South Africans, including some otherwise very nice blokes, who seem not to believe this is possible. They want to return to the past when the visitor ruled the native. That, I'm afraid, is the problem.

Well i havent seen the word Bloke been used for the longest of time. I personally think there are enough trees to give shade and for the people to sit under to discuss and solve their problems in thru african fashion. Most people will and have been able to live together and country will only advance when they do. U cannot go back and change history u can only look forward for a better future for all. salani kahle.