Why so glum? Germans struggle to find joy, poll suggests

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Players with German football team Bayern Munich show their disappointment after losing the UEFA Champions League final to Chelsea FC on Saturday.

MAINZ, Germany -- Only one-in-six Germans can recall a moment in which they felt truly happy, according to a new survey.

The poll also suggests that many Germans feel weighed down by the financial crisis in Europe -- despite the fact the country enjoys a record of solid growth.

The results showed that nearly half of all Germans say they are increasingly incapable of "true relaxation" and enjoying their free time, due to the stress of their everyday lives and the feeling of being constantly reachable.


German perfectionism may be part of the problem. About eight-in-10 of those surveyed remarked that they experience pleasure best when they have managed to achieve something first.

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And while 91 percent of participants said that pleasure makes life worthwhile, only 15 percent recalled moments in which they felt truly happy.

'Traditional German virtues'
In recent months, German health officials have warned about so-called "burn-out syndrome," as experts highlighted a significant rise in the number of people suffering from depression in the country.

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The poll was carried out by market research firm Rheingold. Psychologists interviewed 60 men and women and polled 1,000 other individuals across the country.

"We found that traditional German virtues, such as conscientiousness and the drive for perfectionism, played an important role in the answers of many people," said Rainer Pfuhler, the firm's marketing director. "While we did not specifically ask about the economic crisis in Europe, many participants in the survey independently raised the question 'why they cannot easily enjoy life', despite the fact that Germany is doing really well."

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Germans are not glum...they are just bi-polar. And it is difficult to be responsible and hard working while many of your neighbors are not as hard working as you. We have a similar problem here in the states when security, welfare, and child production become the main sources of jobs and income.

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#1 - Fri May 25, 2012 6:45 AM EDT

Maybe the Germans are just not happy because the U.S. has been occupying their country for 67 years. I know I wouldn't be happy if the Chinese had military bases here for the better part of a century.

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#1.1 - Fri May 25, 2012 7:17 AM EDT

I think it's not only the germans but most of Europe. Poor system, soon to be really poor people and not too much to live for from day to day. It would make just about anyone unhappy!

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#1.2 - Fri May 25, 2012 7:35 AM EDT

It is the stress of this ever messed up, insecure world where you can have enough, but enough is not good enough. To be truly considered successful, you need to have perfect grades in high school, excel in several extracurricular activities such as soccer and lacrosse, and then go deep in debt with student loans for college to get a bachelor's degree that may or may not help you get a good job. In most cultures, you must also be married by a certain age, have children, and be able to financially provide for your family very, very well. This includes a large house in a nice neighborhood with a good school district in the suburbs of a major city. You get a corporate job at which you slave day in and day out, answering the Blackberry at 2 AM because you have no other choice. You get up at 4:30 AM, are out the door by 6:00 AM so that you can make the 2 hour commute to your thankless job in the city. You work an 11 hour day, make the 2 hour commute home, and arrive just in time to heat up your Boston Market dinner, eat, watch some mindless reality show TV while VPN'd into work with your laptop, and then go to bed with the Blackberry at your side.

Memorial Day is coming up - so not only do you have three conference calls with the office in Japan and a report that is due by Tuesday, but you have to drive your family to the beach as well - or you are not a good father!

The Lexapro, Paxil, or Zoloft will only cover over the problem for so long. Then you burn out and fall apart. Unhappiness...

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#1.3 - Fri May 25, 2012 7:59 AM EDT

Structural change, such as the Eurozone integration, takes time, but the Germans should have the smarts to do the trick. It takes time. Longer time when it's structural change.

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#1.4 - Fri May 25, 2012 8:34 AM EDT

Ohmygoodness Will! You described my previous life perfectly! (We must know each other lol !) My husband and I took a break from all the " perfection" I only work part-time and he works from home now. We are finally fuddling ( finding + muddling) our way toward happiness. We now have family dinners together and play ball with the boys afterward. You have to have a strong will to just say NO to the crazy culture of consumerism. Will, if your post describes you ---quit your job find and job where you can work from home immediately!!!!

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#1.5 - Fri May 25, 2012 8:50 AM EDT

I suspect it's more cultural than anything. I lived in Germany for a couple of years and found them to be very reserved and somewhat dour. More outgoing peoples tend to be happier, or at least nicer. I've also noticed the crappier your country is, the nicer you are. Germany is beautiful and spotless, whereas the Philippines are a trash heap, but Filipinos are a very friendly people.

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#1.6 - Fri May 25, 2012 9:58 AM EDT

Will, what you describe is America, not Germany. A house in a nice neighborhood, a good school district? Have you ever looked at the map and realized the size of Germany? People are happy if they can rent a decent apartment. The kids go to school wherever they want, you don't have to live in that district, the commute to work is an hour at the most. So no, all that is America's problem and I agree with you 100 percent that it really IS one. It just doesn't apply to Germany.

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#1.7 - Fri May 25, 2012 9:59 AM EDT

Mein Gott. If I lived in the same country with Martina Gedeck I'd have every reason to be happy.

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#1.8 - Fri May 25, 2012 10:23 AM EDT

The germans are coming out of 20 yrs of paying for a commie mess, not the EU wants them to pay for the socialist mess. I'd be depressed too.

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#1.9 - Fri May 25, 2012 11:24 AM EDT

I'd be pretty depressed also if everything I had to show for my hard work was being gifted to lazy Greeks who don't want to face the music.

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#1.10 - Fri May 25, 2012 11:30 AM EDT

Agree Robert: The Germans try so hard, produce so much then are told they have to give a huge chunk of it to people whose daily business activity is shirking, lying and cheating. And of the amount they get to keep they are told it could be lost if a small bunch of the lazy non-productive types cause a general collapse. A classic threat scenario of give us your wealth or we'll cause trouble. Interestingly, even though Greek's rioted and burned cars and businesses, they are not as unhappy as the Germans. This may be because whatever they get they didn't build it themselves and so nothing is at risk. Whether they get 100% of what they want from the Germans or 10% of what they want from the Germans in the end, they got it from the Germans at no cost to themselves. A little threat and tantrum and bang, free money comes your way. This explains a lot about the welfare and dependency mentalities and why the Greeks don't feel so depressed and the Germans do. Seems natural .

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#1.11 - Fri May 25, 2012 12:05 PM EDT

I lived in Germany for a number of years and remain friends with many. Although Germany has been prosperous for decades, it's crowded. It has a population of 80 million and the size of Montana. Germans also lead lives filled with regulations. They call it "ordnung". Everyone seems to get on everyone else's nerves at one point...one reason why most Germans want to spend their vacations elsewhere. Unlike Japan, Germany has fully come to terms with its past...and it still weighs heavily on the national psych. Yeah, many Germans can be dour, but for the most part, they are a well educated, reliable and resourceful people. If the poll had asked "are you content," most would have said yes.

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#1.12 - Fri May 25, 2012 12:25 PM EDT

MAINZ, Germany -- Only one-in-six Germans can recall a moment in which they felt truly happy, according to a new survey.

I think I would feel the same way if I lived in a country where I knew I couldn't pull chocks and move to a different geographic region and try something new. Where the government provides for almost everything. We are very lucky here in the US to have such a large country with a very diverse climate from one end to the other. The American dream is still alive but it is dulled by government intrusion and regulation.

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#1.13 - Fri May 25, 2012 2:18 PM EDT

In comparison to Greeks, Italians, Spaniards, etc. - Germans are like top athletes. You work/train hard for a competition and perform very well, but once it is done, you look forward to the next one. Compared to others you are of course trimmed and fit, and many might envy you for something you already achieved, which they are still struggling to get there. But Germans don't like to get happy about ONE achievement and rest/relax then. It's a different mentality, and anyone of you who's a competitive athlete will understand what I'm talking about. You never rest, you always want to get better, you always want to improve and get more perfection into your skills/achievements, etc.

If you live among Germans, if you speak fluently their language and you then understand them, you'll surely won't write articles like this which has a negative touch to it, or it shows simply a sign of lack of understanding about those facts you intend to write about. ;-)

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#1.14 - Fri May 25, 2012 2:50 PM EDT

@LM

I see, so Germans still have a superiority complex and a drive toward perfectionism. They are not unhappy - they are just too busy being successful and better than everyone else to show how happy they are.

OTOH, despite the dysfunction of Greece, Greeks still believe in their heart that everyone envies them. (I am married into a Greek family.)

Italians tend to have that same, "We are proud of our heritage! Now get out of our neighborhood!" thing going on.

Spaniards - I know that a lot of racial tension still exists in South America between those of white Spanish descent and those of native descent. Apparently, the white Spaniards feel they are somehow better than the dark skinned, high cheek bones natives they once dominated.

Hence, if you go to any country and ask people of that country what the greatest country in the world is, there is a pretty good chance (unless it is Cuba or the Sudan) that they will say, "My country!"

    #1.15 - Sat May 26, 2012 8:12 AM EDT
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    I was born many decades after WWII, but was still raised with all the guilt in order to ensure that we don't let something like that happen again. When you are raised with the deaths of millions on your conscience you tend to be more introspective. I (over-)analyze everything I do and that tends to suck the fun out of a lot of things. And it's hard to break such a habit.

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    Reply#2 - Fri May 25, 2012 6:55 AM EDT

    couldn't agree more-20 yrs in the US and I still often feel apologetic for something neither I nor my parents did.

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    #2.1 - Fri May 25, 2012 8:15 AM EDT

    Let it go...................

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    #2.2 - Fri May 25, 2012 8:44 AM EDT

    NFIL : I so appreciate your introspective comment. That type of sensitivity is a good thing in so many ways but can weigh so heavily when it causes such guilt.

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    #2.3 - Fri May 25, 2012 9:21 AM EDT

    The germs should feel bad. A whole generation were murderers with only a small amount of resistance. The current generation has to face a society, for the most part, that wants to wipe the memory of their atrocities from history.

    Today's germs are still a lot better off than those whose families suffered at the hands of the previous generation.

      #2.4 - Fri May 25, 2012 12:11 PM EDT

      So David,

      then you should feel bad and guilty about a lot of what americans did in the past, shouldn't you? Even though you had nothing to do with it (Hiroshima comes to mind, indians, slavery.......) You should feel bad about that.

        #2.5 - Tue May 29, 2012 8:59 AM EDT

        Well said justthe fax! David 231988whatever needs to realize that the largest ethnic group in the US are Germans, and as was the case with several of my German family members we were also the largest ethnic group from the US fighting the great wars in Europe and Japan as well. In fact everyone needs to remember that the 5 star general in command of all our liberating forces was in fact a man of German descent named Eisenhower! Germs, as you so ignorantly stated have done some terrible things in the past and yet are responsible for many of mankind's greatest acheivments in the arts and sciences as well.

          #2.6 - Tue May 28, 2013 10:06 PM EDT
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          LooooongDeleted

          Just being born in the first place is like winning the lottery; being here and experiencing Earth and the universe is a marvelous, marvelous thing. Native American Indians always said, "any day above ground is a good day". I ,too, do not understand anybody who walks around all day with such scowls on their faces. It's attitude that helps us rise above any personal angst.

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          Reply#4 - Fri May 25, 2012 6:59 AM EDT

          my moms family is "native american indian" as you say and they aren't any happier than the rest of us...and many deal with severe poverty and alcoholism. This ideal native life---is a myth.

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          #4.1 - Fri May 25, 2012 8:53 AM EDT

          Which Native Americans say that quote? They have different races and tribes and languages.

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          #4.2 - Fri May 25, 2012 9:19 AM EDT

          I think that quote is from the Hollywood Indian, not the real one. Still a good sentiment, though.

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          #4.3 - Fri May 25, 2012 10:08 AM EDT

          which is why some buried their dead on platforms 8 feet above ground.

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          #4.4 - Wed Jun 6, 2012 8:05 AM EDT
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          I don't think it is limited to just Germany. It's the whole world. The economy all over is stressing many more people. Look at the murder-suicides. Look at the crime. We're in an unnecessary war. People are out of work and cannot find jobs. It's everywhere. Germany is only one case in the wide spread scenario.

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          Reply#5 - Fri May 25, 2012 7:09 AM EDT

          Germans may also DEFINE "truly happy" much differently than many Americans, Brits, and Western Europeans. Many things that may seem important ARE NOT, and sometimes people misinterpret things that might seem self explanatory. Many, if not most Germans, almost never smile at strangers, whereas a significant portion of Americans do this. This alone has been interpreted by some visitors to Germany as "cold," but that is hardly true. Likewise, when asked about true happiness, a German might easily picture some unattainable goal, as was mentioned in the article, I could EASILY picture a German youth saying with perfect seriousness, "I think true happiness is hard, we should just aim for contentment."

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          Reply#6 - Fri May 25, 2012 7:18 AM EDT

          Of course they are glum.

          Ms. Merkel will not permit out of control spending / borrowing.

          Heck, everyone else is doing it.

          Why even the U.S. president spoke highly of that tactic at the G8.

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          Reply#7 - Fri May 25, 2012 7:21 AM EDT

          BHO Spoke Highly of Out of Control Spending??? Uh, yeaahh, BEEN PERFECTING THe art for 3+ Years now. Oh, I forgot...THAT is the spirit of President George W. Bush inside BHusseins' BODY that was doing all that spending. Wow NOTHING NEW HERE.....You win funniest post of the day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            #7.1 - Fri May 25, 2012 8:32 AM EDT

            The President spoke yeaterday about how growth of the fed gov grew at it's smallest rate during his term since the 50's.

            Repubelickers are kind of like Goebbels. Repeat the lie enough and people will believe it. It's been the GOP that has grown govt and deficits historically since WW2, then Dems have to fix it.

              #7.2 - Fri May 25, 2012 12:16 PM EDT
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              If I saw that my hard work, sacrifice and frugality would end up with me having to support the deadbeat half of Europe, then I would have a pretty negative outlook as well.

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              Reply#8 - Fri May 25, 2012 7:23 AM EDT

              What the Schadenfreude are you talking about.

              The economic conquest of Europe is making the Nazi state happy as they can be, for a soulless people.

              They "lost" WW2, but in 2012 they rule Europe. Such a shame. The germs should have been treated the same way as the populations of the countries they occupied rather than propping them up to become the strongest economy.

                #8.1 - Fri May 25, 2012 12:20 PM EDT

                I think you meant to type 'Germans'

                  #8.2 - Fri May 25, 2012 9:51 PM EDT
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                  Probably has something to do with the fact that they can't drink the water. All they drink is beer. Alcohol fuels depression.

                    Reply#9 - Fri May 25, 2012 7:46 AM EDT

                    i'm moving there! Beer all around!

                      #9.1 - Fri May 25, 2012 12:58 PM EDT

                      Or, Budscheisser, Pabst Blue Burp, or the crap you drink, that has to be eaten like a slurpy water cone. Find a life, have you ever been beyond Hootin' Holler, WV.

                        #9.2 - Fri May 25, 2012 6:07 PM EDT
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                        The German worker/taxpayer is basically being fleeced to pay for those countries in Europe where they don't work enough, so I think you can expect them to be a little glum.

                        Just imagine the old cliche allegory of pushing a wagon. The Germans are doing the majority of the pushing while most in Europe simply ride in the wagon. Now.... someone notices that the Germans are getting tired of doing all the work, and aren't as happy as the people riding. Really?

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                        Reply#10 - Fri May 25, 2012 7:51 AM EDT

                        And this follows 20 yrs of dealing with the economic mess the commies left in east germany. Seeing a pattern yet?

                          #10.1 - Fri May 25, 2012 11:28 AM EDT
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                          I have several German patients, they're all pretty glum and serious. Kind of depressing.

                            Reply#11 - Fri May 25, 2012 8:00 AM EDT

                            It is hard to be happy.....the news everyday is doom and gloom over the economy, the media thrives on the negative....as Don Henley sang with the Eagle's great band......"is the head dead yet" These are times of worry and the media thrives on it. The challenges are real but the battle isn't lost!!!

                              Reply#12 - Fri May 25, 2012 8:02 AM EDT

                              With all that beer, they should be plenty happy. But on the other hand, if I had to eat sauerkraut all the time, I'd be pretty glum, too.

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                              Reply#13 - Fri May 25, 2012 8:05 AM EDT
                              Comment author avatarLaNia Colemanvia Facebook

                              So, here's what's happening. About 30 years ago, people in America freaked out because kids in Asia scored higher on standardized testing. So we came out with initiatives like A Nation at Risk, A Blueprint for Action and No Child Left Behind and we started increasing demands on our children. It took years and years, but lately, Americans have been saying that we're not going to be robots for the government, we want to have some quality of life. Then someone discovered that kids in Germany performed as well as the kids in Asia, but the German educational system is less demanding. So, now they are trying to discredit the Germans, to demonstrate that "we" don't want to be like "them." If they did the same study in the States, what do you think they'd find? If they did the same study in any country, what do you think they would find?

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                              Reply#14 - Fri May 25, 2012 8:08 AM EDT
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                              I've been living here in Germany for many years now, and unless you are in a very good tech job, wages stay the same for as long as a person is in the same job. If you started [for example] at eight bucks an hour twenty years ago, this is what you will make till you retire; that is how it works here, again as I have said, unless you are in a tech job or higher. But for everyone else, you never grow, or can have a satisfying life, you just learn to be content with the reality of a conformity structured system.

                                Reply#15 - Fri May 25, 2012 8:09 AM EDT
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                                Being of German heritage I feel free to say,

                                Lighten up you got your country back

                                After commiting the worst atrocities in hundreds of years what a deal

                                It should have all been turned over to the survivors of those your parents slaughtered

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                                Reply#16 - Fri May 25, 2012 8:11 AM EDT

                                Great Grand Parents. Get a clue. My own great grand father was a member of the 32nd Tennessee Infantry. They lost too. Germans are a hard working, studious bunch. They like their country clean and orderly. That they don't understand 'happiness' could be because they don't know what it is? For some, it is not being hungry. For some it is not being in a war zone. For humans of all sorts, happiness is a relative term.

                                Consider American poor people. The are far richer than most of the people in the world but are defined as poor because of comparisons to people who have more than they do. True poverty means wondering if you or your children will survive through the week.

                                Once one lives in something of an ideal situation, the comparisons disappear and happiness becomes difficult. It is an odd human trait.

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                                #16.1 - Fri May 25, 2012 9:45 AM EDT
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                                "Our hearts do not rest until they rest in thee, Oh Lord." - so said Saint Augustine of Hippo. He was right, too. No, you do not need to be a religious nutjob to be happy, for they are the most miserable of all! Instead, though, we see how Europeans are rejecting the Church and God, and how miserable they are becoming! I personally cannot blame them, for I did the same once - I saw the hypocrites in the Church and decided I wanted no more of that. So I went into a "Dawkinsian" mode, denying God and being skeptical about everything. And how depressing was that!

                                I then came to a realization that peace with self is found by peace with God, and also realizing that the Church does have the means to help us grow in this relationship with God, despite the faults and hypocrisies one finds in the institution. Through The Eucharist, Prayer, and Scripture, I have found that there is indeed peace and happiness, true Joy found in Life! I would hope that every German, and everyone in fact, would find this as well.

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                                Reply#17 - Fri May 25, 2012 8:23 AM EDT

                                Ignorance is bliss eh?

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                                #17.1 - Fri May 25, 2012 8:28 AM EDT

                                You are really one of them my friend. Ignorant and a German kind of... Keep trying everything but God, the real God, and you will end asking for what is missing...

                                  #17.2 - Fri May 25, 2012 9:39 AM EDT
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                                  Germans may be glum a lot, but they know how to have a good time, they know how to balance life and work, and they're some of the most fun and entertaining people I've ever met. At any party I've ever been to where there are lots of internationals, they're often the most funny, self-effacing, and entertaining in the room.

                                  That said, they love to complain, it's like some national sport. It starts with the weather: it's gray in most parts of the country for much of the year, I'm guessing they're partially glum just on account of that.

                                  They also love to complain about political problems. But I think to some extent, it's because of their efficiency at politics: they solve a lot of political problems because they're willing to compromise. Maybe everyone's glum because no one gets their way all the time.

                                  And finally, I think they just love their rules (which of course were developed because they compromised in making them). I've never seen so many general people in the street willing to enforce rules. Try walking across the street against the light, or even just stepping off the curb before attempting to do so: chances are extremely high that some bitty old woman will stop you with her umbrella and give you a lecture on how you're breaking the rules. It's kind of funny.

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                                  Reply#18 - Fri May 25, 2012 8:25 AM EDT

                                  Yes you are right!!! they are all that. But they are NOT HAPPY. They know how to look happy but inside of them they aren't. Success is not synonym of happiness.

                                    #18.1 - Fri May 25, 2012 9:45 AM EDT

                                    How would you know what they are inside. Stupid comment!

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                                    #18.2 - Fri May 25, 2012 9:56 AM EDT
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                                    http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2012/0112millersciacchitano.html

                                    It wasn’t just the austerity packages of 2010 and 2011 that pushed Greece into a governmental and economic crisis. Eurozone policies combined with Germany’s wage repression policies had already set off a race to bottom in which Germany and industrial capital were the big winners and the southern eurozone countries and labor were the big losers.

                                    Here is more or less what happened:

                                    The adoption of the euro as common currency in 2002 coincided with Germany instituting flexible labor-market policies—which allow wages to fall with market forces—as a way of controlling wage increases. That proved to be a lethal combination for not only German workers but other eurozone countries as well.

                                    German “unit labor costs” (or compensation per unit of output) hardly rose after 2001. Unit labor costs rise with wage increases that push up costs and fall with gains in productivity that lower costs. But with the new German labor market policies keeping wage growth in check, German unit labor costs in 2010 (including benefit costs) were just 10% higher than they had been a decade earlier.

                                    As a result, despite posting better productivity gains than Germany, the southern eurozone economies of Greece, Portugal, Spain, and Italy saw unit labor costs and prices rise considerably more quickly than they did in Germany. By the end of the decade wage gains in those four Southern Eurozone economies pushed up their unit labor costs by one-third.

                                    The huge gap in unit labor costs gave Germany a tremendous competitive advantage and left the southern eurozone economies at tremendous competitive disadvantage. As a result, their trade flows changed dramatically. The four southern Eurozone economies and Germany all had modest current account deficits (the broadest measure of a trade deficit) in 2000. A decade later Germany enjoyed a current account surplus of 5% of its GDP, while the southern eurozone economies were saddled with a current account deficit of 5% of their GDP. And Greece’s current account deficit has ballooned to 10.5% of GDP. Usually countries at such a severe trade disadvantage would devalue their currency. Devaluing a currency lowers the exchange rate, or cost, of the currency to foreign buyers, thus lowering the cost of exports priced in the currency. But because Greece and the other southern eurozone countries share a currency with Germany, that option was not available to them. Germany has thus maintained its competitive advantage at the expense of its neighbors’ trade and economic growth. While Germany is a developed, high-wage country, this is the same combination of wage repression and keeping its currency undervalued with respect to its costs that has boosted Chinese trade and output at the expense of its trading partners.

                                    In this way, wage repression is an essential component of the euro crisis. Germany’s net export success comes at the expense of the export failure of the southern eurozone countries.

                                    How might these trade imbalances be resolved? Further austerity measures are not the answer. While cutting wages in the southern eurozone economies might reduce their cost differential with Germany, wage cuts would threaten the collapse of these economies and deflation across the eurozone.

                                    The only answer is for Germany to reverse its wage repression. Productivity gains must be shared with German workers. Higher wages would boost domestic demand in Germany and accelerate the growth of the German economy. Likewise, putting an end to the austerity measures imposed on Greece and the other struggling eurozone economies would boost their demand as well and stabilize the system, which so far has benefited Germany and the profit-making class at the expense of most of the population. Otherwise crises and stagnation will persist.

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                                    Reply#19 - Fri May 25, 2012 8:32 AM EDT

                                    It's going to get worse before it gets better.

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                                    Reply#20 - Fri May 25, 2012 8:32 AM EDT

                                    i married into a german family who went thru the war and then immigrated to us. after 15 years of marriage i came to the conclusion that they talked about feelings -acted as though they actually felt love for each other but really never felt anything. i eventually came to believe that they were programmed by the strict german regimented rules of german society. oddly they never really denounced hitler----to my astonishment they thought he did what he had to do because the jews were ruining germany. people say you don't marry a family-- you marry the individual. i could not disagree more. they functioned well --achieved success in business but lived joyless lives. i got away from them ---no regrets.

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                                    Reply#21 - Fri May 25, 2012 8:43 AM EDT

                                    i can not agree more. But many people in our wold are trying to mimic that... success without real love for others make you selfish, taker and the center of your own universe, your own god.

                                      #21.1 - Fri May 25, 2012 9:55 AM EDT

                                      carlos316------your description is accurate---the most annoying was arrogance and selfishness. it seemed they were going thru life play acting. make believe people playing by the old country rules. none of them had developed long term friendships, all three divorced 3 times and 2 of them have no children. they had me believing there was something wrong with me. when i finally got away i was able to stand back and see what was really happening. he was trying to make me into a good german wife. a german ""stepford wife ""------germans follow rules -not much for individual free thinking.

                                        #21.2 - Fri May 25, 2012 10:32 AM EDT
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                                        Just look at their history. Happy folks don't start two world wars.

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                                        Reply#22 - Fri May 25, 2012 8:53 AM EDT

                                        If this is true then the U.S. has started numerous more wars and tries to occupy these for years to come. It is amazing that many of these people commenting here are quite obnoxious and for the matter the whole U.K. living the wars more then the Germans. Fact is that Germany since world war II has been an example to the world, trying to solve problems instead of bombing them, providing financial aid to many countries without asking for return and played a major role in bringing the cold war to an end. Fact is also that Germans are more thoughful, have more art and culture brought to this world then many other countries and I believe its about time to stop this calling of "Nazis" at any time. We are 60 years after the war and times have changed.

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                                        #22.1 - Fri May 25, 2012 9:48 AM EDT

                                        Times have changed, sadly, hateful germs really haven't. They just have to accept that their murderous rampage ended.

                                          #22.2 - Fri May 25, 2012 12:26 PM EDT

                                          Again with the germs-Germans

                                            #22.3 - Fri May 25, 2012 9:53 PM EDT
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                                            Maybe if Germany adopted a different, less guttural language to speak they might be happier.

                                              Reply#23 - Fri May 25, 2012 9:02 AM EDT

                                              says one member of the chewing gum language

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                                              #23.1 - Fri May 25, 2012 10:09 AM EDT

                                              you know bisam is a German...regular Americans don't know that Germans all say we talk like we are chewing gum.

                                                #23.2 - Fri May 25, 2012 10:40 AM EDT

                                                I am. So?

                                                  #23.3 - Fri May 25, 2012 10:46 AM EDT

                                                  I do not understand this description. In what way do we talk as if we are chewing gum? Is it that you think we move our mouths excessivey, or is it the sound of our speech? (Not offended, merely curious.)

                                                    #23.4 - Mon May 28, 2012 3:20 AM EDT
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                                                    Notwithstanding their past history, present day Germans have a lot to be happy about: they`re innovative, hard-working, disciplened people who, unfortunately for them, are shouldering the economic woes of others. And who cannot be happy when Mercedes, Porche, BMW, Audi come to mind...........

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                                                    Reply#24 - Fri May 25, 2012 9:19 AM EDT

                                                    Germans struggle to find joy. OMG. If this wasn't terribly stereotypical, it would be hilarious.

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                                                    Reply#25 - Fri May 25, 2012 9:29 AM EDT

                                                    Germany needs to cut the cord and let countries like Greece implode.

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                                                    Reply#26 - Fri May 25, 2012 9:53 AM EDT
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