thats funny, we were typing the same thought at the same time.

what a shocker, a fox puppet regurgitating words he can't even understand. I am off to bed, I don't want to have bad dreams about chocking the life out of you. Good night to all the humans out there.......and you conservative pod people too.

Chock this.

One war, not 2. We only went to one war, Afghanistan. We did not go to Iraq because W could not convince our government that he had a valid reason.

Canada g'menbt's decision to discontinue Marine Pollution Program and others is more than mindboggling - it is hazardous to their health. Canada has been one of the nations in the Geohab (http://www.geohab.org/ which is the vanguard in research for multiple scientific fields. Pollution is real- people/fauna depend on unpolluted supply of foodstuff,ocean flora ditto. Peter Ross (like in Ross Sea) and his fellow scientists have to apply for international funds if Canada refuses to fund. Canada is a signatory to certain international treaties too.

Liberals infest and destroy everywhere they go while whining about evil conservatives, fox news, and the environment.

Someone lost their high paying gig and now they're whining about it like the world is going to come to an end. Seems to me that person is delusional and are nothing in the big scheme of things. Nobody is. Just try telling a liberal that though.... they are delusional, obsessive, filled with hatred and therefore severely mentally ill.

A couple of examples of these people are found in this very thread. Crying about Fox news is a telltale sign to identify one of them. People who are deranged and obsessed do it all the time.

@Devill233

"....social welfare programs...."

I guess that you have not been outside lately to realize that people slither around on their stomachs [well some do - lawyers and politicians].

HUMANS ARE SOCIAL. As are all mammals.

You people are going to kill the Earth, but that is what you want right? Armageddon to the finish ! !

MORONS all of your ilk -- think about this ,,!,, instead of spewing the nonsense of Faux News.

We have a revenue problem not a spending problem. If we collected taxes at the level they should be at we would not be running deficits.

Governments always have limited funds to spend, and they must set priorities to allocate those funds to accomplish the greatest good. Obviously, they feel that academia can perform the task sufficiently well that those resources can be used more effectively elsewhere. I don't think that most people can deny that 'environmentalism' sometimes goes to extremes that don't properly balance other pressing needs - such as jobs and economic growth.

Without looking at the details of the decision, it's easy to 'jump to conclusions' on one side or the other, but that is irrelevant.

Sammy,Fox is the only "news agency" that has actually gone to court (1998,Fla.Supreme Court)) to sue for the right to distort the news.They are not news,they are infotainment.Best watched while reading National Enquirer.

look for us industry to relocate to canada. mexico got polluters from us --mexico also does not have restrictions on industry pollution. what a disgrace for canada----did not expect this from a country i viewed a model for other countries to emulate.

basedrum777 "We have a revenue problem not a spending problem. If we collected taxes at the level they should be at we would not be running deficits"

So what you're saying is we should double everyone's income taxes, and that would solve our deficit problem? That's what it would take to eliminate the Deficits that Obama is running.

Somehow, I think that it might have a negative effect on the economy if we took another $1.3 Trillion per year out of consumers pockets.

We need both spending cuts AND revenue increases, but they need to be phased in over time to avoid shocking us into a deep recession.

Really?-1739510 "One day we will HAVE to divide this country in two. One side Liberal, the other Conservative....Judging by how the Liberal states are doing today, we can see which side will fail. And you call others moron."

Good point. Government always has limited resources to spend, and they must allocate those resources to do the most good. Liberal states (think California, Illinois and New York) typically mis-allocate those resources, and they usually have severe financial problems. Their solution is always "Raise Taxes", which drives business away and creates even bigger deficits.

California is the biggest joke - they have perhaps the highest taxes in the country, along with the most stringent 'environmental laws' and intrusive regulations that drive businesses away, along with one of the highest unemployment rates, and all they want to do is 'Raise Taxes again' as the 'solution'.

This is just more proof that the Tea party control Canada. They also control Australia, and Great Britain.

God help us if the Tea party gain control of the United States.

And thats my opinion

Canada is turning right-wing, and also owned by corporations as is the USA. They don't want anyone to interfere with corporations dumping poison into the environment, so they axe the jobs. I used to think Canada was more progressive and intelligent than the USA, now I see it is just the 51st state, especially as Alberta is "Little Texass."

Hmmmmm ... I came of age during the 1950s under President Dwight David Eisenhower, Republican. It seems to me that we were at our most powerful at that time. Pres. EIsenhower decided we needed an Interstate Highway System (and I do remember the 2-lane federal highways we had at the time), and by god, we built it. We instituted National Defense Student Loans to encourage students to attend college and university after being shocked when Russia launched Sputnik. It enables millions of students to attend college and gain a degree with minimal and affordable loan repayments. I was in an Honors program where I attended, and almost all the students had NDSLs ... most of the guys were majoring in engineering ... no one had ever heard of "Recreation Studies". What I'm trying to say is that the federal government invested in this country, and it paid off handsomely. Only with the rise of Reaganism and the Republican Right have we seen a disinvestment in America, a growth of debt, the rise of propaganda masquerading as news (I'm talking Fox News here, you pinheads), and the steady and ever-increasing deterioration of America the Great.

Some of us have memories and do not buy into the ever-changing narrative. What we are today is what we were warned against in the 1950s. Only then it was called communism and propaganda. We have created our version these days ...rampant and uncontrolled capitalism and propaganda.

These are the days I'm glad I'm old and will not be here to see the fall of the American Empire ... done in by its own lazy and uninformed citizens who are so propagandized they wouldn't know a real fact if it slapped 'em up side the head.

Sammy Johns,

Did you actually read this article? 3/4 of the cuts will be to the 1000 person Canadian Coast Gaurd, which among other things polices the Canadian fisheries. I can see a point in time, in the future, that the USCG will have shoot on sight for any Canadian fishing boat, without exception. The Canadians will overfish their waters and then turn to ours. Unfortunately, since fish can't tell the difference between US and Canadian waters, they will have already damaged our stocks and fishing industry as well. Who will monitor the run-offs of Canadian logging and mining operation, or Canadian gas and oil fields? Private advisors like universities in Texas and Oklahoma, who rely on the oil and gas industry for funding and jobs? Or schools in Colorado and Wyoming who have similar relations with the mining industry?

littleoldlady3,

Remember also that Eisenhower warned against the Military-Industrial complex. He recognized that Nazi Germany developed as it did do to the support of its newly enriched arms developers and manufacturers. There was a real need to create jobs, but (just as now) little or no demand for civilian goods. Answer, buy guns. But once the guns were built, collaborating with ambitious politicians to sieze land by force, created a greater market for even more guns and newer, better, more horrendous weapons.

Another product of the 1950's was the smog of unrestrained coal-burning, resulting in as many as 150 deaths in one day in London, as great as some of the worst German Blitz raids of WWII. Yet, I just saw an ad, from the coal industry, complaining that Obama's enforcement of clean air standards (passed under GW Bush and dating back to Richard Nixon) was going to destroy their industry and the American economy. So I guess, in their minds, we must sacrifice our lives to their profits.

oh yes Bill, that was the Krupp cannon makers of the Ruhr erea if I recall that right. They used free Jewish workers like many other companies did. Economic issues are easier fixed with slave labor.

Just listen to the LIBERALS squirm !! I love it !

It's too bad that we can't have an intelligent debate about some of these environmental regulations. There is no doubt that some regulations have been a bit 'over the top' when it comes to stifling reasonable growth and prosperity, but the minute someone suggests revising a regulation that has been found to be ineffective, it's always something like;

"Their going to poison the entire planet, and all for some rich corporation to make more money".

The Canadian oil sands are huge business. Harper's government doesn't want any information about how toxic and polluting these industries truly are. Neither does he want to staunch any income from this 'new' energy.

I am a fiscal conservative, I am against a bloated bureacracy and all that that entails. I also have a modicum of common sense and do not buy into the jobs mantra at the expense and destruction of the environment. I remember when the rivers of the US were so polluted and toxic that in some areas they literally caught fire. No living organism existed in many of our waterways and it was all due to no regulations on companies and corporations. The air was so foul it was unbreathable, acid rain was and is real. Pollution, not this 'climate change' meme should be the guiding light. When you can't breath, have no food and your water is so foul it is undrinkable, you had better pay attention. That is China currently, great economy, poisonous environment.

I will most certainly side with the conservationists, it was their outcries that finally got the Clean Water Act enacted and today our rivers are cleaner than they have been in decades. Throwing the baby out with the toxic bathwater is beyond idiotic. Sane regulations, intelligent government regulations are necessary, big business will not police itself, history has proven that time and time again.

The state of our air and water is vitally important, most research scientists and people working in those fields are deeply dedicated to preserving our natural resources for future generations. Without them and others of their kind we will definitely become a toxic third world nation. Do I sound extreme? Only to short-sighted individuals who buy into party lines and rhetoric.

Does the EPA push rigid and poorly thought-out regulations, yes. The problems occur when agendas rather than facts are promoted. The left has a definite agenda as does the right. Somewhere inbetween these extremes lies the solutions. Intelligent usage, safe usage should be the guiding principles. Not draconian rules that punish business for being a business and not no regulations to allow certain businesses to pollute and destroy with impunity.

We all survive on one planet, we all need clean air and fresh water to survive. We all should put down our ideologies and work together to preserve our environment and do so sensibly and intelligently. I know I am whistling in the dark here, but I am tired of being propagandised to by extremists on either side of the aisle.

Sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/31/photos-most-polluted-plac_n_693008.html

Flyover pics of the oil sands. Wonder why the government doesn't want any 'marine' pollution examinations?Wonder why the right is pushing so hard for the Keystone Pipeline? Guess who gets ALL that money? Hint: It ain't the American citizens.

http://www.businessinsider.com/canadian-oil-sands-flyover-2012-5

Industry is what feeds you not government. but I see your point Bob we have 3 billion people living on a rock that can comfortably support 500 million, don't worry NWO has a plan. I just hope I'm not around to see it. as far as Canada goes they can clean their house any way they want, the US monitors pollution as well as the Canadians its not like nobodies watching, but even with monitors in place coastal cities still prefer to dump their trash at sea so it doesn't make allot of difference does it, we still have foreign fishing fleets off our coast not just Canadians but Japanese, Chinese, Mexicans and even European.

In the old days we made things to last and they were repairable or reusable today its all disposable even cars and some dwellings as well its to create jobs we need to rethink what we are doing. if people really care they can fix the problem and we won't need these agencies to monitor the pollution. we have two things working against us in the US one is the Democrats the other is the Republicans they both work for the same puppet master it wont make any difference if someone votes for Obama or Romney their both the same, for the people that want real change and vote for a third candidate it will only split the vote the third runner will never be elected because he cant carry the electoral vote, so we are screwed.

At least Canada is looking at the facts that its programs are not working the way they should and many of them are a waste of money, what Canada is saying is no more free rides if we don'tneed you your off the payroll and we wont buy you any more toys. the ones that are devoted to their work will find a way to continue. The private sector will provide what is needed they have to its in their interest. all the research equipment will probably be given to the universities and they will absorb the programs and make them more efficient the private sector is where these programs belong, most of the worlds problems are caused by governments not solved by governments the more the private sector assumes from the government the better, government will still be watching and working with them but in a lesser and more productive manner. its good for Canada to have the sense to restructure and make things work and get off the backs of the working class. the only real change is who signs the paycheck. if you work for the government you can get away with doing nothing, if you work for the private sector you have to perform.

mygirl1 "Does the EPA push rigid and poorly thought-out regulations, yes. The problems occur when agendas rather than facts are promoted. The left has a definite agenda as does the right. Somewhere in between these extremes lies the solutions. Intelligent usage, safe usage should be the guiding principles. Not draconian rules that punish business for being a business and not no regulations to allow certain businesses to pollute and destroy with impunity."

Agreed. We obviously need reasonable regulations to ensure a clean future for our children and grandchildren, but the key word is REASONABLE. To me that means a proper balance between the cost and benefits of all regulations - existing and proposed. All to often, we have regulations that require costs that are far out of line with any reasonable benefit - they were written in such a way that costs were considered irrelevant. I think science has advanced to the point that we can make reasonably accurate estimates of the costs and benefits of regulations, which should guide our decisions.

@littleoldlady3, Bravo! I couldn't have put so eloquetly myself.

@littleoldlady3, well said. Our country will go through the corporate communism phase and hopefully get out the other end with a stronger democracy, and better educated citizens.

Canada, good luck without a marine antipollution program.

I have no idea what you said Dimitry, it's all greek to me, but I am guessing you aren't falling for the conservative propaganda either!

Body, you should have said it's all Russian to me in response to Dmitry's entry. But I get what you were saying

Yep, industry will always do the right thing as your example of Fukushima amply demonstrates. Well said.

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Another government bought and paid for by big oil.

Dmitry Kurischenko said

Development of new technologies and materials is the development of new Industry to solve problems. = in territory of many corporations are still at the level of political decision-making, monitoring and control in the application. nuclear PF-"Fokusima" in Japan showed the extremes in addressing politicians and no consistency of security.

I doubt the Conservatives would be elected again, not after all the @!$%# they pulled off.

Canadians are pissed off. The Harper Regime managed to get a majority in parliament with only 39% of the votes. The other two major parties divided the vote. They think they have a mandate to do whatever they want. They had the majority of the media on their side during the election, but even this support is eroding. They were found in contempt of Parliament, they lie pathologically, and put corporate interests above national interests.

To get elected again they will have to cheat even more than they did last time.

Too b ad we can,t get rid of suzuki, too.

To get elected again they will have to cheat even more than they did last time.

The George Bush machine taught them the technique.

For the sake of accuracy, most of that debris was swept out to sea prior to the Fukashima emergency. I thought the same thing at first.

I still feel that some of the currents both in the Ocean and upper atmosphere did spread radioactivity.

Has anybody actually checked the mess washing up from japan for radioactivity. Not all dangerous radiation glows in the dark. Small levels can cause massive problems.

And for the liberals following obamas socialist programs into the ground. currently in the army times the soldiers that have been let/forced out since we are no longer in iraq (for which i am glad), 50% are unemployed. So when afghanistan shuts down the current forcast is for at least 7 brigades to be disbanded and other numerous cuts which was stated in the Army times would take us to the level of forces in 1940. Course it will also cause a massive shutdown in the amount of govt spending on military hardware which will cause layoffs at the defense plants, then out into the economy. Course since we are still borrowing money to keep afghanistan going, (the govt there is in talks with the taliban, really, was reported on Massively Stupid Network. So we have soldiers dying so the economy does not toast and obama can get reelected. Then the troops come home and the depression starts. but dont worry the democrats and republicans have it all under control. I notice the major stories like fixing the economy, NOT, creating jobs, NOT, doing something about national debt, NOT, BUT Gays are now going to be allowed to serve openly in the military and obama is pushing so gays can get married just like straights. Personnally dont care one way or the other, but when the democrats finish pushing for gay rights, gasoline is going down to $1.50 a gallon, RIGHT! We are being suckered again. Same ole Same ole. The idiots in washington have no clue how to fix anything. Nutz, they cant even fix the Post Office, which is bankrupt. And Washington spits out a golden nugget, and the sheep jump up and down and scream at each other. Best way to keep a group of people from bothering you, keep them fighting amoungst themselves, for idiot purposes.

Explain how their profits would suffer from pollution. The free market only works when those involved have a monetary incentive to play nice.

Spartan 501

That sounds a lot like bribery to play nice. Perhaps that is what you intended. However financial, or personal loss for not playing nice which is a positive reaction, is the legal way to deal with such situations.

The Canadian reaction will resolve this eventually, we do need to see just how destructive the right is planning to get. Then react long term, to eliminate such actions.

We in the lower 48 receive many of the pollutants that are put into the flows that come South.

The problem is, without the program, no one will know of damage being done. If no one knows about it, it doesn't exist. It's the right (wing) way to deal with such problems.

After reading every reply in this thread so far, I have to say this.

Those who came here to support the elimination of Canada's entire pollution control program should be ashamed of themselves. But they're not and never will be. So instead, they should be eliminated from having any voice in any position of power. I see conservative / evangelical / (U.S.) republican / pro-corporate corruption as a DIRECT THREAT to my species continued survival. What has been said here to this point demonstrates this clearly.

"Liberal" is not a dirty word or a disease, it's a social philosophy. Like conservativism, it can be abused, over-applied and over-stated. But if you didn't have to support your parents or grandparents because they got a social security check, you can thank liberals. If you have a family member who collects a check every month for disability, instead of needing his or her family to fully support their needs, you can thank a liberal. If you or someone you know has received any portion of their health care coverage through a state or federal program, you can thank a liberal. If you've ever received finantial aid in any form from a private organization, college or charity, chances are excellent there is a liberal at work somewhere in that decision making process.

Do you have clean water to drink from your tap? If yes, thank a liberal. If no, blame a conservative. Sorry, but that one is pretty obvious.

Listen. Look at the posts from the conservatives here. I see hate, bullying, insults...all the worst schoolyard immaturity. No one is going to open their mind to new ideas when approached that way. If you conservatives have something to offer, OFFER it, don't try to shove it down everyone else's throat. Don't rub it in when things go your way. In short, stop being a$$ho!es. To borrow a line from one of your favorite books, "You reap what you sew".

This action by Canada must be publicy condemned until it is reversed. It's a ploy to coddle corrupt corporations for the sake of their profits and political pull - nothing less.

99 -

Corporations are only 'corrupt' to those who continue to expect corporations to foot the bill for their grandiose ideas of welfare. I see the 'environmentalists as being 'corrupt' - especially when they've been caught fudging the numbers in their 'man-made global warming' claims.

Joe D.Glenn,

Placing investor assets at further risk is not the answer, as the value of corporate paper, both stocks and bonds, are already at risk in the market. When a company is fined or shut down, it is the investor who pays. But the decisions made and actions taken come from management, which seldom suffers. In truth, the employees will generally suffer first, through staffing reductions and pay and benefit cuts. Then Investors will suffer from added debt and issue of new corporate stock, diluting the value of their existing bonds and shares. But meanwhile, the Board (the top managers) will continue to reward themselves and the favorites (the CEO and CFO, typically). So even mediocre performance, mismanagement or malfeasance can get rewarded, while the investor already suffers. Meanwhile, management can spend the investors' money to advertise and promote social or political agendas contary to the investors' interests or desires. But -- "Corporations are people too, my friend." Just not the people who actually own them.

99 are you for real, or just brain damaged? There are liberals in this thread calling for death to conservatives yet I haven't seen a single conservative post anything on here calling for death to all liberals.

Most of your post actually makes sense, I agree with some of it but if you want credibility maybe should denounce some of the left wing hate as well as the right.

I think asking if he's brain damaged goes a long way towards supporting his theory, no?

Pretty sure he addresses extremists in both camps, but dont let that get in the way of a good insult...

Another milestone in de-evolution. It is appalling to imagine an 'advisory group from academia and the private sector' replacing the government scientists that are best qualified, and have been doing this type of important work for decades. The 'private sector' often has their own corporate, and 'potentially' greedy interests (for their own short term financial gain'; and 'academia' has been progressively de-funded and replaced by the very same interests. We are left with the 'fox guarding the hen-house'; which in turn leads to dead coral reefs, toxic oceans, etc. Gulf of Mexico seafood can't possibly be safer to eat after many 100,000's of gallons of oil has contaminated it, and we have more spills to look forward to in the years ahead of us. I fear for the future of my children.

We here in the US are headed that way, either party, no matter, just different way to go about dictating. Religious rule is my greatest fear. Mud huts and goats.

James-101st

Yup we are headed that way we seem to want multi parties which allows things like a majority Govt with out a majority of voters, that breeds such things.

We need to heed what our fore fathers intended, that no "religious test" can be permitted. There is no real seperation at this point in our evolution of government. And, even the man called Christ History tells us said, "give unto Caesar what is Caesar's and give to God what is God's", one is strictly earthly the other is spiritual, and personal. They cannot be mixed and matched. I hesitated to make that anology, but it is appropriate.

They are not broke. They are rich. They have followed us into two useless wars. Their conservative government is throwing the baby out with the bathwater. When they (and we) realize the folly of thinking that oil and chemicals are more important than fresh water it will be too late.

No, but if they keep spending as they were they would be! Canada is trying to keep from going broke the intelligent way, actually bringing their spending under control. The socialists are just upset because their plan to try and re-distribute the wealth has been brought to the light of day and the people are starting to stand up and saying NO!

The Harper Regime killed the gun registry and is fighting in court to have the data destroyed.

Good for Harper.

....and the fish will still swim.....

In a more pollution-bioaccumlated sort of way.

Yes LD...just like the roadkill the supermarkets are selling now. Sheeeesh you NDP will believe anything your idiot learder spews.

LD,

Money well spent. It went into the pockets of their business cronies and was probably spread around.....to the right pockets, of course. That is what govts. think money is for.

Why else do you think these guys run for office? Goodness of their hearts?