yeah scooter-go back to sleep,this does not concern you

I'm sure those children did something wrong

and if they didnt they would have in the very near future

Something I found online:

Washington’s lethal intervention in Syria

18 May 2012

While publicly insisting that it is only providing “non-lethal” aid to elements seeking the overthrow of the Assad regime in Syria, Washington is coordinating the shipment of arms into the country and working to expand the deadly conflict.

This was the thrust of a lead article in the Washington Post Tuesday. The Syrian “rebels,” the Post reported, “have begun receiving significantly more and better weapons in recent weeks, an effort paid for by Persian Gulf nations and coordinated in part by the United States according to opposition activists and US and foreign officials.”

The growing role played by Washington in organizing the arming of elements attacking Syrian government forces is linked to a perspective that “an expanding military confrontation is inevitable,” according to the newspaper. While formally supporting the cease-fire and political transition plan brokered by former UN Secretary General Kofi Annan, the administration is stoking a violent confrontation with the obvious aim of scuttling this plan and opening the way to more direct military intervention.

Saudi Arabia and Qatar, both among Washington’s closest allies in the region, openly called for arming the anti-Assad forces and have poured millions of dollars into this effort. The Post article indicates that the decisions as to who receives these weapons are being made in Washington, which “has expanded contacts with opposition forces to provide the gulf nations with assessments of rebel credibility and command-and-control infrastructure.”

The Post also revealed that Obama administration officials hosted talks this week with representatives of the Kurdish opposition centered in eastern Syria, who have so far refrained from joining the armed revolt against Assad. This is in large part due to their distrust of the Muslim Brotherhood and other Sunni sectarian elements which dominate the leadership of the opposition, and who are hostile to Kurdish demands.

The aim of the talks, according to the report, was to discuss “opening a second front against Assad’s forces that would compel him to move resources from the west.”

Nothing could more graphically underscore the cynicism of the warriors for “human rights” and “democracy” in the Obama administration. While seeking to foment an armed revolt by Kurds in Syria, Washington is simultaneously aiding the Turkish military in the crushing of such a revolt just across the border in Turkey. As the Wall Street Journal revealed on Wednesday, a US drone being used to spot Kurdish targets for Turkish warplanes passed on intelligence that led to an air strike in which 35 civilians were slaughtered last December…

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/may2012/pers-m18.shtml

We need to get the H-LL out of all foreign countries that DO NOT want us there and repair our own country !! We have wasted too much money and killed too many kids for NOTHING>>>GET OUT NOW!!

ok

whats you plan

Yawn?? innocent woman and children are dying and you yawn?? @!$%#!

@ArchStanton The article list Kofi Annan as SG of UN... It's currently Ki Moon and the one article seems to refer to other seperate articles as it source.... the last line also says 39 "Slaughtered" .... No reputable article would say that unless it was a quote.... I don't think it is accurate.

Don't believe every thing you find on the Net..... (Hey... It was on Google..... It must be true!!!!!)

but you can trust EVERYTHING on the these threads.... err... not. :0

It should be obvious to the entire international community that Assad's idea of a cease fire and everyone elses is something entirely different, and that what he's really doing is playing for time. His idea is, the other side ceases fire, so his guys get easy target practice.... As long as the Assad regime remains in power, nothng will change here.....

TBH though, and yes I'm giving a benefit of a doubt here; I'm thinking his yawning is more to do with the fact that we're still here, still watching this, and still talking about cease fires and trying to address this regime diplomatically when we see time and time again the "good faith" the Assad regime brings to the negotiating table. But we all also know what's behind this too. China doesn't want a precident which could allow for international intervention if they should ever chose to have another crackdown such as they had in Tianamin Sq, and Vladimir Putin doesn't want a crackdown should the Russian people decide they've had enough of him and want him gone either....

Once again, the Rebels (Activist) that started this Civil War fought their battle using children and the elderly as shields. The Terrorist Backed Rebels should stop complaining about their children being killed when they fire on the Government Troops with those same children being used as Human shields. Why doesn't the U.N. got after the Rebels for using Human Shields to attack from behind?

Let's help the rebel's overthrow the government then they can have "elections" like Egypt.

floyd, if the people of Syria want a new ruler then we should help them to get one because we are responsible for Assad being in power. That is what freedom and liberty is about. Allowing you to choose for yourself the direction you want your country to go in. We have no right to be placing Governments into these countries. Let the citizens decide for themselves what they want in their Government. All we are doing is cleaning up our mess by removing people like Assad and Mubarak, taking responsibility for the wrongs we have done in the past; is that not what the Right is supposedly championing for? Personal responsibility? Start with the mess we have made in these countries then.

UN: 32 children among dozens killed in Syrian
town

So, what's your point?

Next - News please.

I think that Scooter's point is that these things happen in a war and the media is using them to whip up our war fever...not that he does not care about the children. And, Geo, right about now Mubarak is starting to look pretty darn good...compared to his would-be replacements in the extremist Muslim Brotherhood.

ArchStanton,

Why do you begin your piece by saying that it is from the Washington Post when it is actually from World Socialist Web Site, wsws(dot)org? Methinks thou art a bit disingenuous.

I hope you don't mind if we get back on point. The violence against civilians in Syria is despicable and yes we should all care.

I do have some questions that have yet to be answered about this revolt. I keep reading about this sect and that sect, is this just another Muslim on Muslim conflict, an actual revolt against tyranny or is it something else. I hate to say it but after seeing the “Muslim Brotherhood” likely to take over in Egypt, maybe we should just sit back and see what happens in Syria. Just like the Nazis did, Muslim extremists will use democratic elections, revolts, assassinations or anything else to achieve their long term goal of world domination.

The civilized world must start viewing the “Arab Spring” with skepticism and with the understanding that these Muslim terrorists will go as far as instigating WW-3 if it’s to their advantage. We must also never forget that chaos and power vacuums are always to the religious fanatic’s advantage……. As far as the Syrian revolt is concerned, it doesn’t matter if a wolf is in sheep’s clothing it’s still a wolf or in this case “Sunni Muslims”. There will always be speed bumps for real democracy like Dictators, Tyrants and “Conservative” politicians, fortunately these people are usually individuals and they come and go everyday. The real threat to civilization comes in the form of organized religious extremist groups of all faiths; these are the true enemies of freedom…..

Yawn?? innocent woman and children are dying and you yawn?? @!$%#!

And what exactly would you do?

Hello folks, when will we discard our Imperialistic mindset? This is just another ploy by the U.S. and the U.N. to perpetrate the war mongering and demonizing as the U.S. is trying to drum up more support for another war. We’ve caused enough trouble around the world. If you can't see that we are the instigators in most of the world's wars and displacement of millions of people who are fleeing our aggression, than you are not paying attention. If you don’t think we have been in Syria covertly arming the rebels you are in denial and forgetting about Libya. We need to stay out of other country’s civil disputes. I hope we aren’t going to go against the United Nations vote earlier this year and unilaterally go into Syria under the pretext that we need to stop the violence like we did in Libya. General Wesley Clark has stated that a Syria invasion has been pre-planned for quite awhile.

General Wesley Clark: "America will take out 7 countries in 5 years"

According to Former NATO supreme allied commander, former presidential candidate and 4 star US General Wesley Clark that they had received a memo that America is going to take out 7 countries in the Middle East starting with Iraq, Libya, Syria Lebanon Sudan, Somalia, and finally Iran. It is amazing how these things that were planned years ago and even though it is taking longer than originally planned, are being achieved in front of our eyes.

Why is it other countries feel like they have to defend their territory? Could it be that they know we have no problem invading their sovereignty just as we have done to countless other countries. Since World War II, 90% of the casualties of war are unarmed civilians. 1/3 of them children. Our victims have done nothing to us. From Palestine to Afghanistan to Iraq to Somalia to wherever our next target may be, their murders are not collateral damage, they are the nature of modern warfare. They don't hate us because of our freedoms. They hate us because every day we are funding and committing crimes against humanity. The so-called "war on terror" is a cover for our military aggression to gain control of the resources of western Asia.

This is sending the poor of this country to kill the poor of those Muslim countries. This is trading blood for oil. This is genocide, and to most of the world, we are the terrorists. In these times, remaining silent on our responsibility to the world and its future is criminal. And in light of our complicity in the supreme crimes against humanity in Iraq and Afghanistan, and ongoing violations of the U.N. Charter in International Law, how dare any American criticize the actions of legitimate resistance to illegal occupation.

We are going into Syria for a couple of reasons (yes we are in Syria with our Drones at a minimum), one, we are trying to dislodge Russia from there because they have a foothold in the Middle East via two military bases in Latakia and Tartus in Syria. Two, Syria is a strong ally of Iran. If we invade Syria we take out a strong ally and maybe incite Iran to assist giving the U.S. the reason they are looking for to attack Iran. The ultimate goal is to surround, weaken and to invade Iran. The petro dollar is at stake as other countries are switching to other forms of currency in buying Iran’s oil.

Since the Russian war in 1828, Iran has never attacked another country. We on the other hand have attacked to name a few:
Libya, Iran, Nicaragua, Haiti, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Angola, Mozambique, Honduras, Chile, Congo, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon, Somalia, Angola, Columbia, Peru, Panama, Yemen, Pakistan, Grenada, Mexico, etc..

Wake up people we are being herded down the Military Industrial Complex gauntlet again to another false war to enrich the greedy Corporations and distract the American people. Did we not learn anything from the Iraq war where we have killed well over 1 million Iraqi people, lost thousands of American lives and God knows how many hundreds of billions of dollars?

Who do you support, humanity or the greedy elite?

Many of our soldiers don't fight for America, they fight for their lives and their buddies beside them, because we put them in a war zone. They're not defending our freedoms, they're laying the foundation for permanent military bases to defend the freedoms of Exxon Mobil and British Petroleum.

Face it we're Imperialists pure and simple. The elite look down on all of us as expendable chattel.

"Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy" Henry Kissinger

I’m not asking you to hate war, but to love peace? War, what is it good for, absolutely nothing!

92 dead, 32 are children and 60 adults, and all 32 of those children just happen to be under the age of 10 according to the report? One hell of a coincidence or more fabricated atrocities trying to pull at our heart strings. I vote for the latter.

Just like the viagra-fueled rape gangs that were reported in Libya and later found to be a total fabrication. We're being spoon fed the BS till they hit on something that will make it OK with the voting public to get directly involved.

Great Post TrustVerify.

...and Jesus said:

"Put your sword back in its place, for all those that take up the sword shall perish by the sword." Matthew 26:52

Couldn't resist adding this.

More disturbing and heart wrenching is the America our soldiers come back to, the conditions they fight in, the lack of medical and financial support etc.......

Clinton issued a statement early Sunday saying the United States condemned the attack

When is Madam Clinton going to say anything about the thousands killed and beheaded next door in Mexico? Why does she need to look across the world to find massacres? They are NEXT DOOR to us, every day, thousands killed in the war of drugs.

The politicians just keep up the "human rights" rhetoric when it serves their agenda.How about that Chinese dissident? How many people leave in those nasty conditions anyway? Has she visited a nursing home here in the US lately to see how old people are treated? One that is not that expensive, of course, and paid by the State? ...I wish she would keep her statement to herself.

And Obama stays quiet as he doesn't want to offend anyone...gotta watch his poll figures.

If we had more sheep volunteering for military duty right now and there was a large oil resevoir in Syria, we could fake another WMD and go in strong. People are also getting massacred all over the continent of Africa every day but since there are no resources there we dont bother intervening there either. Maybe if the rich Republicans send more jobs to China our unemployment will be high enough for the under-educated to enlist in droves and then their war machine can grow again and the Haliburton type companies (war profiteers.. you might remember them from stories like poisoning soldiers with bad drinking water under billion dollar contract) can get more billion dollar no-bid war-profiteer contracts while the average American working for the company gets minimum wage and the one person that obtained the no-bid contracts (hard job there) can get hundreds of million in quartly bonuses. I believe Reagan called it trickle down economics.. didn't work then, wont work now no matter what you change the name to.

These so called rebels are not rebels at all, they are simply a different Muslim sect who want control for themselves. The last thing on these "rebels" mind is establishing a peaceful democracy in Syria. If they succeed in gaining control they will establish an Islamic Republic where the only acceptable religion is the state approved version of Islam and anyone who does not follow it will be mercilessly persecuted. These are not a bunch of freedom loving people, they are simply people who want to control things and have things done their way. Not only are they not better than Assad they are far worse. Assad for the most part is a secularist. Under Assad the people of Syria have been pretty much free to worship as they see fit. This does not sit well with these "rebels." These "rebels" feel that their version of Islam is the only true version and will do whatever thy have to in order to gain control of the country so that they can force everyone to follow their beliefs. They are even willing to use children as human shields for their attacks so that when Assad's forces strike back they can stir up people against Assad by pointing to these child casualties. In addition, many of those stirring up this rebellion are not even Syrians, they are actually outside instigators from other countries trying to spread their version of Islam. The problem is that the Obama administration and the rest of the West appear to be too stupid or naive to recognize that this is hat is going on. They did not bother to find out who the "rebels" were in Egypt or Libya either and now both of those counties have gone from being under the rule of what were by Arab standards relatively benign secular dictators into the hand of Islamic fanatics. Now the Obama administration and the rest of the West appears poised to make the same mistake in Syria. I am not saying that Assad should necessarily remain in power, but instead of supporting these "rebels" they should be working with Assad to keep these outside instigators out of Syria and to transfer power to someone who supports continuing the generally secular nature of the current government. Supporting these "rebels" in Syria will lead to the same thing we are seeing in Egypt and Libya, a take over by Islamic fanatics and a huge setback instead of an advancement of human rights in the country. If you doubt this, just look at what is happening to the rights of women and religious minorities in Egypt right now.

Hillary Clinton: Here goes the cheap Jewish lobby singer and dancer.

Even Saudi and oil companies directions are good enough!

I'm sure the bad guys are quaking in their custom made lions-hide boots over Clinton's statements... Get real people, everybody knows the US doesn't like this stuff, but everyone also knows we won't do @!$%# about it right now. She is wasting air.

These rows of dead bodies is what WE CAUSED in Iraq every day for several years, by bombing, and taken down a country's government, and leaving the country completely out of control, so I am not sure what we really want here---I mean are we continuing to support the Muslim killing, like Hitler Jew killing-----to the individual who is dead there is no difference on how you are killed!

Read the news again now about the Pope/Vatican, are we going after them, again like here 50 years ago here when everyone was rolling their eyes about the Catholics, they now are living a lie (more visible earthy lie)?

But now we do have drones, so we can just sit in a bunker and play the computer games like our kids learned with star wars years ago.--Back in my day in mill they only built bunkers for us doing the killing--think about that for at least an hour, is it important that only the mil brawnies survive?--Then these problems will never end.

Try to see the globe without shades, will you please!

Assad, Rebels, Brotherhood, I'm for letting these warlords battle one another and than things will settle. Civil War, no, it's the Futile System. I say let them go through this evolutionary stage with no outside interfearance and they will eventually emerge as a nation, like Japan, China. Who knows, they may even have developed some tolerance by than.

Do you know what pisses me off about a situation like this? It's how one country will excuse killing its people by pointing out how other countries do the same.

In the case of Syria, the US is not killing its own people but it sure does kill plenty of other people in other countries and all for the sake of "anti-communism" or "anti-terrorism" or "anti-you-fill-in-the-blank". So how can any US official expect Syria, or anyone else, to take the US seriously when it comes to human rights abuses?

Nothing should excuse Syria from killing its own people but the US needs to stop its "collateral damage" and "water-boarding is not torture" BS before it preaches to other people about human rights.

US politicians who like to talk about "American exceptionalism" should take their freaking idology and shove it up their ass.

Clinton Condemns Syria Massacre and says: "Assad's Rule by Murder Must END!"

Then the Honorable Secretary of State Mrs. Clinton can get her fat rear in gear, suit up, hop on the next plane to Damascus and go straighten everything out over there. And while she's at it, she can also give Ahmadinejad and the Ayatollahs next door a piece of her mind. Then all will be right in the world, I'm sure.

Leave the rest of us and OUR kids and loved ones out of it.

Now, I'm off to my brother's barbecue. Have a great day. Much obliged, folks; a pleasant stay.

pototbabou

I'm sure those children did something wrong

and if they didnt they would have in the very near future

I don't condone this one bit, but, isn't that what you would say when America kills Islamic children with their drone attacks? How many children has America killed waging an illegal war in Iraq/Afghanistan? What do we call it? Oh, that's right unfortunate "collateral," damage.

All politicians are hypocrites, regardless of party. For Clinton to come up with,

"The perpetrators must be identified and held to account,"

is so damn hypocritical that it's pathetic.

Curtis LeMay would be proud!

If you think the same thing wont happen here just let the citizens rise up against the Federalism and over bearing government we have become, Think again. Watch for these Executive orders that The Half Breed Kenyan has accelerated the use of. More the the Halliburton team Bush/Cheney every dreamed of..

Mr. Stanton -

I think Lt Col North had a plan for situations like this.

Hillary ought to send her kid in there to straighten them out...Give the other people's kids a break...

Seta...thats why we have the 911 system....Gov. knows where everyone is, if you dissent, they dial in your address and a missle finds you...

Love my country, fear my government

So, we got the Obama Doctrine as the reason to go into Libya....a Genocide may be about to start.....But Syria where it is taking place daily, not so much Doctrine.....What's the difference ???.....IRAN.

1 percenters write this off as population control.

We have worse problems right next door at our southern border and our government seems to care less.

We should do to Assad what we did with Bin Laden. DON'T bring in the troops but go in secretly and take him out. It can be done no problem. And we dont have to waste a ton of money doing it either. If thats not a good idea? Drone bomb the killer from the sky and b done with it. I mean what are they going to do about it anyway. Continue to kill more innocent people. Which I think is going to happen anyway.

What's wrong with MSNBC today? I don't see any racist story.

Why don't the leaders of other countries stand up and denounce Syria? Is the U.S. the only country that acknowledges atrocities? Maybe Saudi Arabia should take care of this.

The U.S. has neglected its own country since 9/11 and can't even stop the banks from terrorizing American citizens. I say let Britain take care of this.

c'mon people! They're ARABS being killed, not Jews! Had they been the latter we'd been in there, full force, over a year ago

Does it make a difference when we condemn this kind of actions? They don't give a flying $hit what we condemn and don't condemn.

It's just a matter of which day they will pay at the end of.

That day seems more and more distant as time ticks.

In that case, the bigoted, seventh century desert mindset, autocratic, despotic and barbaric Sunni Saudi ruler with his 5000 princes and princesses, Kuwait, UAE and other Sunni rulers qualify first.

They and their agents are responsbile for Iraqi wars, oil price manipulations and the all around economic mess!

Assad is one of the best rulers among ME ruler.

His problem is that he does not a lobbys (including Jewish), oil companies, manipulators to back him like Saudi, Kuwaiti, UAE and other rulers.

The clock is ticking but there will be retaliation.

Assad will end up like Osama...there is an ocean near by right?

It is OK when the Israelis and our forces kill civilians because the militants hide in houses and buildings within the local population, but is an unacceptable crime when Assad forces do the same. What a bunch of hypocrites.

His Daddy did the same thing back in the late 60`s with Russian arms and support. They are not going to waste money with smart bombs to spare civilians. Its called scorched earth policy.

Lets just say that if there's an afterlife, it might not be 72 virgins he will find at the other end, and leave it at that.... Life does seem to have a way of returning upon people the effects of their own wrong doing. Many have had to face this along the way as well, even in this life....

romilio

It is OK when the Israelis and our forces kill civilians because the militants hide in houses and buildings within the local population, but is an unacceptable crime when Assad forces do the same. What a bunch of hypocrites.

• #2.5 - Sat May 26, 2012 8:31 AM PDT

Boy you sure got that backwards.

Please cite some proof.

Where are worldwide protests against

Syria and scores of "emergency UN councils" to draft and vote on resolutions & sanctions etc?

We have people yawning at this news!

worst violence since the start of a peace plan to slow the flow of blood in Syria's uprising.

This is the start of the peace plan??? Sounds like they need a new plan.

Good Morning Ixor. Great post.

Yes correct "ogre" George Bush knows that as well (blood)! I am still not sure if he was looking for oil or Muslims!--Same in Nato EU, they have jumped on bandwagon, on both as well!

ogre12

Assad and the other members of his evil regime will pay a terrible price for their deeds at the end of the day. Each of them have blood on their hands and will never be able to wipe their hands clean.

Couldn't that be said of the illegal, unnecessary wars America starts than says, oh sorry, for the collateral damage (murder) of your children?

I think most of us can agree that ass-head needs to go.. Whether it's our responsibility is another question. I think we have had enough of sticking our nose into places where we are hated and not wanted or only wanted as long as we give things and send money. Figure out a way come hell or high water to blast Ass-head into tiny pieces and then leave and let them have at it again.. Go home and begin repairing what's wrong with America.

I'm sure Assad is quaking at Clinton's so strong condemnation. She is so revered in world politics(sarcasm). The Russians arm Assad and the US arms the so-called "rebels". It's business as usual on the world political scene. The world keeps turning and nothing much changes.

Steve-1913786

Assad will end up like Osama...there is an ocean near by right?

You mean in a federal protection program somewhere in the tropics? =)

Remind me - how much modern weaponry have we (not to mention the French) sold to Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE, Jordan and others in the region? Apart from being used in parades, maybe these guys could consider using them to police their own neighborhood and not rely on American boys and girls from Kansas and Iowa to do it for them. Just an idea...

Have Muslims or for that matter many Muslim nations honored truce, pacts, deals, rules, laws, human rights and all big things branded when required?

While acting as allies: Pakis have been backstabbing NATO forces by backing Islamic militants fighting NATO forces.

Saudis kept US and allies busy with Iraqi wars, manipulated oil prices and made themselves rich.

Why people forget the people behind 9/11 so easily and quickly?

"They" you mean Liberals for the most part, forget everything or have selective memory, after all, these Muslim's have rights ... I dont give a rats azz, terrorist's are scum.

Mr. A but not all Muslims are terrorists. I do not know why something so simple eludes people.

It eludes them because they are all bigots.

Don't know why people would lump muslims together just because muslims account for over 95% of the terrorists acts in the world from Sudan, Yemen, East Timor, Phillipines, Thailand, Khazakstan and on and on. Or because polls showed 65% of muslims believed Bin Laden was a hero for 9-11 and hundreds of thousands jumped for joy at the murder of over 3,000 civilians in the towers. Cleary it's not all of them. Helping kill Bin Laden was treason to Pakistan, imagine that?

True there probably is a least a couple thousand peaceful muslims out there somewhere .

It is not you. The reporter can't write or the editor can't edit or both.

But not US(A)! Let the Arab neighbors tend to their neighborhood!!

If there was enough oil in Syria, you yanks would have gone in as you did with Iraq and Afghanistan, you are a pack of right wing religious freaks, greedy ones at that. Just read your history books. Dick Heads.

@ Jonathan-1982062

Normally I would agree with *some* of your comments but you dont know what you speak of. I was in the first gulf war and yes we had business to be there. We were asked to help by a country that we have treaties with to rescue them from aggression coming from Iraq. Now, history may decide the reasons for that aggression were founded ( the claim that Kuwait was sideways drilling oil into Iraq) but that doesnt detract from the fact that we had legal obligations to pursue the first gulf war.

Secondly Iran is absolutely our problem. They are the only country that succesfully invaded and occupied our sovereign space along with kidnapping our people for over 400 days. Along with that they have a decaired desire to commit genocide to another country that we have treaties with that include mutual military support.

The trick to the middle-east is solvable but not with fairytale results. There will always be conflict between shia and sunni. It will be going strong 500 years from now as it has for the last 1000 years. To reduce any threat to our people Iran needs to be flattened. Iran supports syria, controls lebannon, controls the Iraq Shiite government, and militarily supports hamas (sp). Each of those countries mentioned are or should be labeled as terrorist regimes. When Iran falls they all will fall.

@get over yourself, I agree with you totally except for the part "When Iran falls They all will fall." they will just run to one of their other areas, try to regroup, and do it all over again. It doesn't seam to end with these fanatics. What I would like to know is, where are they getting all the munitions from? Where are their supply routes and can they be cut them off? If this can be done than supplies on hand starts to dwindle. Defeat becomes inevitable.

GetOverYourSelfDamn: These were the arguments before taking out Saddam.

You know about treaties: who cares, when and where? Were they applicable in Latin America?

Some have been conditioned while manipulating the unwanted wars Iraqi wars. Where was WMD?

About falling flat: has Afghanistan not taught any lessons?

Saudis oil price manipulations using the same tricks as in Iraq and their cheap agents will cause huge economic losses in the US, Europe and other oil importing nations.

Worry about the US first. Take a break. Meanwhile permit them to battle themselves. Let us worry about the remaining later.

I have been posting on Iraqi wars. Let me post it again.

Net results of Saudi, Kuwait, UAE, oil companies and their lobbyists directed 1991 and 2003 Iraqi wars are

WINNERS

1. Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE and other rich ME sharks became richer by manipulating oil prices too high.

2. Oil companies and their lobbyists also benefitted. Oil prices, which were hardly $30 a barrel before 1991, shot up to $140 a barrel.

3. Since 2003, future traders, rating agencies, Wall Street and oil companies and their lobbyists transferred five trillion dollars from oil importing countries to oil exporting nations.

4. Rich Sunni ME sharks (Saudi Arabia in particular) funded Salaffi and Wahhabi mosques and Islamic radicals and terrorists all over the world. These Sunni Islamic radicals and terrorists are rampaging all over the world. World’s 80 percent of problems are due to them.

LOSERS

1. General US and European nations’ public. There have been high unemployment, cut in welfare measures, housing market collapse and more miseries. Since 2001, US spent three trillion dollars on Iraq and Afghan wars. Did the Saudis and co foot the bill?

2. Poor soldiers killed and injured and their families. In Iraq and Afghan wars 6300 soldiers were killed and 40000 injured.

3. High budget deficits and heavier borrowing. Many nations (PIIGS) and people are on line to bankruptcy!

4. Iraq will plunge into bloody sectarian civil wars leading to the creation of Shiastan, Sunnistan and Kurdistan. Here the losses are of Iraqis.

US (Bushes, Clintons, Lieberamanns, oil companies, lobbyists) and others who fought Iraqi wars will not be able to do anything in Iraq!

the UN and NATO is a fence (street slang for a front[for you fire side chatters])

You are an idiot boy an't you fool. Really get off the computer boy.

Ya want to know where Iran gets it's support? Look at the 2 countries that oppose any form of intervention wrt Syria, namely China and Russia, and somewhere in there the answer will be found....

But what makes this somewhat perniscious is then look at the US debt situation, and exactly where we are borrowing our money to keep the government running in spite of the national defecit, and herein lies a quandry. Because if we were to tell the Chinese to go f- themselves in this matter, and just ignore their vetoes without some form of cover, there would be some thought to where we'll be getting loans to cover our sovergn debts next, should the Chinese be willing to call a bluff on us, financially....

Getoveryourselfdam: I'm sure if Romney gets elected like the last 3 wars we've had under republicans he'll agree with you to "flatten" Iran. The main problem with your post is it's fiction. We have no mutual defense treaties with Israel ar any other countries in that area. We protect Saudia Arabia to protect it's oil, Israel can take care of it's self. The absurdity of saying taking out Iran would end terrorism is like saying invading Afganistan would end Al'Queda and the Taliban. We've been fighting there 10 years how's that worked out?

stevephoneix: Are you in your own world forgetting the economic mess around you all over?

@ Larry-367607

Larry it wouldnt take you but a moment to web search for american/israel treaties. I can walk you through it if you need help.

Here is the definitive list of all US treaties in force as of 2011. A fantastic read and rebuttal of your misguided comments...

www dot state dot gov / s / L / treaty /tiff /index dot html

replace the word "dot" with periods and remove all the spaces.

First, he wont now as it's an election year. Second, he will if he's reelected as he can't run again, and will no longer have to be concerned with hurting his voter bases feelings. Finally, it really doesn't have any impact on us to justify our involvment.

Its not a question of understanding [per ridere] (because we know better little man)

for the millionth time

its about money

for the millionth time
its about money

BINGO!! . . . things of this nature are always about some commodity coveted by someone else, including money . . . Assad could kill a half million kids and Obama won't lift a finger to alleviate the horrendous human suffering -- he has to cover his political ass in a political year. I'm very, very disappointed in him . . . after he's elected (and he will be), then he'll strike. Unfortunately the people of Syra -- caught between the rock and the hard place -- can't wait that long. What does it say about us as a species that we allow politics to come before another innocent human being's life? . . . Assad should be annihilated!

per ridere....I fail to see WHY the skunk in the whitehouse would turn loose the drones, unless your speaking about the drones in his cabinet and cronies in the senate...

well steve its like this
one key stroke at a time-there your (concern?) is addressed by explaination of "the mechanics" (the how )
More important is the" why"
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It's called PR, with all the baggage that comes along with the public relations industry....

Actually, when I was taking a class in mass media studies in college, the teacher (who had worked in a news room at one point in time) mentioned that people would be shocked at how many press releases are simply turned into stories. The "well you hope the story gets veted, but in many cases the press release is just published as is". After having seen some stories, her account actually does seem believable; case in point being all those headlines in financial news that try to suggest that everytime the DOW sneezes, it's due to Greece, even if other headlines for the day suggest a slowdown in the Chinese ecconomy, Facebook's entry onto the stock market being fubar, etc....

And who would you have them vote for, former members of the Mubarac regime? I think it was a mistake to rush the elections before some established political parties (outside the Muslim Brotherhood) could be formed, and get a little strength, but I can't blame either people for not wanting to live under military rule for a longer period of time (rather then a shorter one), or the military for not wanting to have to engage in all the administrative tasks of running a country either.

This was Mubarac's last big hurrah, just for the day people might oust him. His actions didn't destroy the Muslim Brotherhood, it just prevented any meaningful opposition from forming. You think we have it bad having to chose between Romney or Obama; the Muslim Brotherhood vs Mubarac's cronies would be the real "giant dousche vs the turd sandwitch" to put it the way South Park did....

@shannon Sultan

Rant much?? I see no post on here besides yours that takes to task any christian thoughts, either for or against. Nice try to divert the conversation.

Some times killers and their supporters can talk/post, sing, dance and act like saints.

Muslims have always targeted the weakest in their battles: children, girls, women, minorities, unarmed people, poor helpless people. Is there is any crime which Muslims have not done since the birth of Islamic cult?

Were you bothered so much on Somalia, Sudan and many African nations?

I would have used a capitol "E"

it (might) of made you look smarter

Sooner you and likes of you move better it will be for the US. But please move to a Muslim nation!

World has tolerated too long one-way street Islamic raligious Nazi acts.

You are highly biased on Assad, one of the best rulers of ME.

If you people don't remove Sunni Saudi rulers and co, your logics, arguments, singing, dances and so on make no sense.

Lastly, either idiots or highly fanatic (religious ones are the worst ones in the world) imagine or feel that others are idiots.

LMAO (or for those on here who are not even sure of internet language: Laughing My A$$ Off). I'm not Muslim. Once again, I am not religious, but I WILL defend people who are being attacked as a whole. You just proved my point about the US. Here you are advocating violence and hatred towards an entire group of people, and yet you are calling me an idiot. This is why I am moving. The people are too drugged up and doped up to even have a usage for common sense anymore. Common sense (such as not flying off the handle and getting violent the moment you don't get your way aka instant gratification) is nonexistant in this country. When I was a child, critical thinking was something taught and encouraged in school (then again, I went to a private school. That might have a great deal to do with it). As an adult, I refuse to drink (not for religious reasons but for common sense ones such as it's a waste of money and does incredible harm to your body). I refuse to smoke. I won't do drugs (working where I do, I have seen its effects and choose to be one of the few with my eyes actually open and able to form a comprehensive and complete sentence). I am a very happy mother to my adorable little girl and a very happy wife to my husband who would rather kill himself than to subject me to half of the crap these overgrown little boys in this country subject their women too. Of course, you're probably too busy filling that black hole in your chest with more hatred against what you have been told to hate and can't fathom the idea that you just MIGHT be wrong.

Shannon Sultan: You are highly partisan!

Hi Shannon, I have read your tirades about the world and people not loving each other and find it all quite bizarre. You are quite happy to gain an education in a private school, work here and of course take the money in this country of double standards and one that allows you to be either religious or non religious as you see fit. I too am definitely non religious. You moved from Ireland where religious persecution was rampant to the US. I of course have to ask why you came of all places to the US where you are quite free to do what you like. My next question is, 'You say you are moving, where are you moving to?' Which country do you think there will be no alcohol, drugs of any kind and everyone thinking just like you do? I eagerly await your reply.

Hi again, the word "family" was left out - it should have read "Your family moved from Ireland"

Just wow, what we're seeing play out isn't the signs of a great leader... I'm almost left to wonder if Ganges Khan would be given such laurels and distinction if the historical account were to be given today...

I can do little else but shake my head at such distinction being offered up to someone who's acts as a leader is to kill off his own citizenry in the way we're seeing events outplay here...

Irish American: I choose not to drink, smoke, or do drugs, too....I also choose not to advocate violence against anyone under any circumstances. I also have the highest respect for my wife and family, and cannot believe how many men treat their wives and families to "crap", as you say. I also don't rant from behind a keyboard, but that's another issue.

My question to you is: To which country, where such an abundance of common sense and gentlemanly chivalry exists, are you moving?

Obviously she's moving to utopia.

HadEnough,

A rant from behind a keyboard to say you do not rant from behind a keyboard... Now thats funny. Then add your screen name to it and past posts and it is freaking hilarious.

Irish wife...Good bye, Au Revoir, don't let door hit your pretty arse on way out...

I have a question?

Aren't we America still in a recession??

Ain't nothing like an excuse for the defense contractors to make millions and another useless war?

shes too busy with her insider trading

I'd support the idea of a one-way ticket...

I've got 500 dollars to give her for a one way....

More the merrier. Lesser world problems and more of world peace!!!

So it is ok to say all muslims should die?? But if you think for example all Jews should die because of using state sponsored terrorists as a means to an end in Iran, then you are some kind of bigot. Fascists.

Sultan; Spend more time learning English.

Considering I am Irish, born in the US, and raised in the US, and the last name is a made up one (if you had any education you'd know Sultan means King or Queen in Arabic), I think you should rethink your failed attempt at the only thing you COULD take aim at, which was language. I'm not foreign, buddy, but A for effort. I'm also a college grad (did you even bother with applying to a college or were you A: too busy making fast cash drug dealing? B: too busy spending your meager earnings on said drugs? Pick something else, as a grammatical attempt is not in your favor.

Shannon Sultan: You should hate more what is going in the name of religions. I know about those from Irish backgrounds too.

Here Islam is the worst! It has beaten all world records. These days it has marched fast backwards.

Why do you make so many assumptions?

In my first post I stated just that. Nice try at going in circles there, son. My bloodline is Irish. I don't follow any of the culture or even know any of the language, like the majority of those who have Irish blood in the US. You can know all you want, but you just keep on stereotyping and making your own assumptions. You read the news and make your own assumption that all muslims are scum and deserve to die (the more the merrier to quote yourself). The ones making the news have, but what about daily American crime across the US? You don't know what field I work in. You are making assumptions and I am pretty much blowing them out of the water. You assumed I was Muslim and then assumed I grew up in a typical Irish home. You also assume I'm not from the US because you use "here" in your remark. I am white as they come, I just refuse to follow the screwed up culture. I may be Irish, but I refuse to drink. I may be American, but I don't celebrate holidays at all. I may defend people who are being attacked, that doesn't mean I am the same only that I am defending an innocent. In this case, women and children being murdered where here, as are you, almost all of the animals are saying "yeah, go for it, kill em all, ""the more the merrier"". Innocent people don't deserve to suffer horrors. The sooner the world as a whole realizes that, the sooner we can all try to live this thing called life and help each other get through it. Instead, we're busy tearing each other down, dividing each other up, slinging mud and screaming "I am better than you because of this, this, and that" and all kinds of bs. That's all that the US is anymore. There is also another saying. When you point one finger, there are three more pointing back at you (point with your pointer finger and maybe you'll understand it but somehow I think you won't). Even animals are better than most humans. They kill for food, not for fun or revenge.

Sultan: College grad Huh? Duh, go get your money back. Use that to take a correspondence course in English. I will help you look less foolish.

Irish American

Instructions for murder could not and did not come from God in the Old Testament but were written by priest men who still held on to archaic cultures of the past to fit their agenda.....

True prophets such as Moses, Isaiah, Jeremiah..... did not speak of killing and sacrifices, etc.... i.e..God spoke and taught differently through these prophets.

"I do not delight in the blood of bulls, or of lambs....incense is an abomination to me."Isaiah: 1: 11,13

"For I desire steadfast LOVE and not sacrifice the knowledge of God, rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

"I hate, I despise your feasts, and I take no delight in your solemn assemblies. Even though you offer me your burnt offerings and grain offerings, I will not accept them......."Amos 5:21-23

"Thus says the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel....For in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, I did NOT speak to your fathers or command them concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices. But this I command I gave them: Obey my voice and I will be your God and you shall be my people.: Jer.7:21-23.

And Moses...."You should not kill" which also meant animals.

As for Mohammed look up wwwmyspear.com a website by a former Muslim trying to get the truth out about this supposed prophet.

Excellent point pull up one nonoffensive passage from the koran and compare it to clearly offensive one from the bible. Read world news about terrorist attacks over a month and there'll be at least 20-30 and all are committed by muslims. Over a years time you can find a handful of acts of murders by people who claim to be christians but none that ever committ these acts to "defend" their religion. Most muslim attacks are acts they believe or say they believe is gods will. It isn't words in a book that determines evil it's determined by what people committ that evil.

Irish American ..: Why change name all of a sudden? Did you come to know that "sultan" does not stand for "Queen"?

Anyhow, it was interesting to reply to you and glad to know that world has personalities like you too!

Irish wife...You still here? Thought you were leaving.

so,basicaly you are saying nothing happened?? even if one person has died because of this conflict is too many!

right!

whats your plan?

whats your plan?

Gary........ the Assad family, tyrants all, have a long history of genocide. His father once massacred an entire village then bulldozed it. Your comparison would be hilarious if the butchery werent so prevelent in Syria. Assad and his government are Ba'athist, just like Saddam!

I dont care about politics. Children are dying. Its sad people are posting marginal/apathetic/insouciance/perfunctory opinions. Be ashamed.

Shawn-1914960

Children are dying. Its sad people are posting marginal/apathetic/insouciance/perfunctory opinions. Be ashamed.

Yes it is very sad, I agree with you about that. However if the U.S. get involved there will be collateral damage, there will be people, including children, killed (eventho involuntarily) by coalition forces operations. It is their revolution and their country, and I don't think we should get involved, we get enough hate as it is.