Hey Pigotry

Why are you insulting Pigs. They are friendly animals that produce delicious Bacon and Ham.barbeque ribs,pork chops and roasts. I am a proud pig farmer and comparing them to the NUTZI'S that murdered millions of innocent human beings is not fair. These monsters were niether human or animal. Why this monster was allowed to live that long is not justice,its a crime against humanity.These murderers are decendents of the ape.There is no human dna in these monsters.

Hope he rots in hell like the rest of the Nazi murderers. Good riddence to crap like him and anyone else who is a Nazi.

Speaking as a Jew, we must forgive those who betrayed us, if we want to be like God.

that is the most unbelivible thing a person could say ,,if only we all thought like that ..

It's a pity they didn't execute him back in 1947 when they had the chance. Seems too many of the guilty among the Germans and the Japs didn't pay for their crimes.

Germany has a horribly strict policy against Nazis. If he wasn't extradited, it's because he was more than likely innocent of the alleged crimes.

Thus making him another casualty of WWII...

It is good to forgive him on a personal/spiritual level if one chooses to do so. He should still have paid the price according to the law though or he was not being remorseful.

I am saddened that Germany would protect him. it is little surprise that more and more of the citizens are trying to deny that the holocaust ever happened.

This man was a criminal, not a hero. May history never forget.

stoopid

"Speaking as a Jew, we must forgive those who betrayed us, if we want to be like God."

Is THAT what it's all about? To be like God? To strive for Godliness is the ultimate sin. To obey God's commands is more the case. Unbelievable post but not altogether unheard of as there are others out there who imagine themselves more than human. Read my type.. To strive to become like God or Christ is the ultimate insult for as long as we breathe we can be nothing more than human beings as in the beginning it was ordained.

And @Bull Conner

Thanks for revealing your true nature, wanker.. I'm certain you don't give squat now, but maybe in the next life you'll come back as a Jew so you might find out why it was all a cruel travesty..

I am saddened that Germany would protect him

It just goes to show that the Nazi's still hold a certain amount of influence in Germany.

more and more of the citizens are trying to deny that the holocaust ever happened.

There seems to be a trend to try to deny certain distasteful facets of history. I am not Jewish but anyone who has known a Jew of that era, seen the tattoo's, and heard their stories could never doubt that it happened.

Saul,

To strive for Godliness is not tantamount to the belief we'll achieve perfection - much less become deity, ourselves.

"But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness." - I Timothy 6:11

Interestingly, the Weymouth New Testament (among others) actually translates the word "follow" or "pursue" as "strive" - the word you chose to use:

"But you, O man of God, must flee from these things; and strive for uprightness, godliness, good faith, love, fortitude, and a forgiving temper."

GBL

@Garl B. Latham - Christ's sake, lighten up, a guy just died. That's all.

Sertorius... you are one dumb troll.

Ever visit a concentgration camp???

Dachau is where I visited. IT ALL HAPPENED CHILD.

You ignorant children who deny history will be doomed to repeat history

The Diary of Anne Frank is not a myth. However there is evidence that it was edited to fit the format of a book, but that is all. As for all this talk about the Gaza Ghettos... why is it every time a story regarding the third reich comes up there has to some person who comes on here and attempts to liken the jews to the nazis. That is beyond moronic in my opinion. Also keep in mind the Palestinians have it alot better than most arabs that live in the middle east.

Always the Nazi's. Strange how the Japanese war criminals never paid for what they did and no one bothers to mention that. However Joecal knows it.

I'm missing something here. Germany shielded a Nazi, who lived freely, since a conviction in 1952?

@Okicize, if I remember well, Japanese paid more than they should have, after Nagasaki and Hiroshima where destroyed with two atomic bombs by the US...

@ Cheetah

He was convicted in 1947 in I assume Westerbork is somewhere near if not in the Netherlands. He escaped in 1952 and fled to Germany.

I did group the words poorly. Germany has had a known Nazi in it's midst for sixty years? German doctors apologized for something most weren't alive for while stepping over this lump in the rug? And we moan about Pakistan.

To bad he lived as long as he did.

Bull Connor

You are a crime against humanity. You take up air you are not deserving of. No kudos for you when it is your turn to stand before God.

Sertorius-3029581When do we start condemning all the war criminals responsible for the Gaza ghettos?

Vae victis "woe to the vanquished"

In 390 BC, an army of Gauls led by Brennus attacked Rome, capturing all of the city except for the Capitoline Hill, which was successfully held against them. Brennus besieged the hill, and finally the Romans asked to ransom their city. Brennus demanded 1,000 pounds (327 kg) of gold (> €13,250,000), and the Romans agreed to his terms.

The Gauls provided steelyard balances and weights, and the Romans brought out their gold. But the Romans noticed that the weights were fixed, and the tribunes dared to complain to Brennus about the issue. Brennus took his sword, threw it on to the weights, and exclaimed: "Vae victis!", for the conquered have no rights, forcing the Romans to bring even more gold to fulfill their obligation.

Devils Son. Germany couldn't revoke his citizenship. Germany GRANTED him citizenship to shelter him.

Bull Connor: He should have been given a medal for what he did. Sieg Heil and RIP my friend

Wow. A GOP supporter of Romney in one thread, and a Nazi War Criminal in this thread. Why am I not surprised?

I am saddened that Germany would protect him. it is little surprise that more and more of the citizens are trying to deny that the holocaust ever happened.

If you know he history of this particular individual, his "protection" came from the catholic church (as it did for many Nazi war criminals). The pedophile catholic cult was responsible for this guy being left alone, inside Germany, despite being convicted of war crimes.

wow, I found this from 2010 on sodahead dot com (dec 1 2010)

Stille Hilfe - or Silent Aid - has 25 to 40 members including Gudrun Burwitz, the daughter of Heinrich Himmler, head of the SS.

It is quietly working behind the scenes to stop the extradition to The Hague of Klaas Carel Faber, 88, wanted by Dutch authorities to resume a life sentence for the wartime murders of 22 Jews and resistance fighters.

Article refers to this organization as legal but working in a "moral grey zone". I guess. . .

Did the Nazis get a fair trial? Was each convicted person's guilt proven? In Europe, why is there jail sentence for those who deny holocaust? Are they hiding something and they don't want it discussed?

Those laws might have come from the early years after WWII. When the Allies came, they made a point of making townspeople look at what had been done. My dad was drafted and went overseas in May. He told of a town that had a munitions storage building with 4 foot thick concrete walls. The locals insisted it was a chocolate factory. It was not just what the "official" Nazis did, it was the collusion of civilians. He attended some of the Nuremberg trials although didn't say too much about that. You can also read about the trial of Adolf Eichmann's Jerusalem trial in the 60's. There's tons (literally) of documentation, even though in some cases the Germans tried to destroy records as the Allies were approaching.

Mostly, Germans didn't talk about this stuff for many years. It took awhile for things like holocaust denier attitudes to re-emerge.

Did the Nazis get a fair trial? Was each convicted person's guilt proven? In Europe, why is there jail sentence for those who deny holocaust? Are they hiding something and they don't want it discussed?

hey jackson. i think your sheet and hood-with-the-eyes-holes-cut-out are ready at the cleaners.

You are right stoopid. We must forgive everybody for their crimes, even Hitler, Stalin, and Castro. It may be hard to forgive someone who has hurt you. Don't hate a person, but it's okay to hate their decisions.

Okicize Wicasa Yata Pi

Strange how the Japanese war criminals never paid for what they did and no one bothers to mention that.

You don't know your history very well do you? Do a little research. Japanese war criminals were tried, hanged, and imprisoned as well. Perhaps those trials didn't receive the press time the Nazi trials did because of the extent and heinousness of the Nazi crimes.

There is an old saying. "Make sure your brain is engaged before putting your mouth, (or typing fingers), in gear.

Frogmorton!

Bull Connor: He should have been given a medal for what he did. Sieg Heil and RIP my friend

Wow. A GOP supporter of Romney in one thread, and a Nazi War Criminal in this thread. Why am I not surprised?

My Great-Grandmother would beg to differ, and she was a conservative GOP member.

Another dead kraut in a world full of disposable people...oh boo hoo cry me a river over a dead anicent Nazi kraut ass piece of @!$%# fossil. Bwahahahahaha

Saul and Garl, I suggest you read your Bible before making pronouncements as you have! In Matthew 5: 48, we are commanded by the Lord Jesus Christ to "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." Further, Philippians 2: 5 states "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus." If you are going to try and act as an authority on the Bible, it is best that you "KNOW" the Bible.

It is time we stopped seeking after those who had a part in World War II. War is Hell! There were many atrocities committed on both sides. Those who opposed Hitler were executed. Those who followed his orders were then destined to be put to death after the war by the victors. They were in a no-win situation! I would not wish to be born with that type of destiny! People either follow the dictators or they are executed, or at best banished to live as sub-humans with no freedom or opportunities in life.

Why is the world allowing daily mass murders to take place in North Korea?? Why did the world allow Pol Pot to murder over a quarter of the "gentle" Cambodian people, and then die in freedom of old age?? Why does the world allow over 200,000 to be in concentration camps in North Korea today?? Why has the world allowed over two million people to be executed in North Korea over the past 15 years by shooting, hanging, starvation, being buried alive, beaten to death, etc?? The situation in North Korea is a current matter! Why is there no interest??

Anyone born in 1945 is age 67 this year! Anyone who fought or was involved in World War II is over age 80 now. That was "life" for these poor souls. Be glad that some were able to live out their lives with some measure of freedom. I know of none who did not live exemplary lives after the war, and none who were reported to be criminals. Expell ALL of them from prisons and let them die in peace! Stop wasting taxpayer money for foolish searches for those who "had no choice!"

My mom is a concentration camp survivor, a german in a russian camp because they lived in yougoslavia for 3 generations. grandma and mom and all my aunts and uncles escaped in 1948,yes 1948!!. they escaped through the forrest where the saw headless bodies some with thier genitals stuffed into thier mouths. War is hell. This has been going on in all wars, on all sides since the begining of time. Americans have very short memories, and are quick to forget what happend in this country just over 100 years ago..... The American Natives. In Gods eyes they are/were His loved creation also. Being men/women we should learn from our mistakes and do what we can to help the generations that follow. I cast my vote to those who forgive and seek out Godly righteuosness, probably impossible, but at the "end of the day of man", that is what I want to be caught striving towards. Very scary and hateful posts ,some of these. Not so much different then the ones they are accusing." Just because someone makes a loud noise,does not mean that they are right."-- qoute from my german grandma.

drbacon, I think he's agreeing with me that many guilty didn't pay. We all know that many were tried, sentenced, and found guilty among the Germans and Japs. But many got away with murder. As an example, you have, in my opinion, Prince Asaka, who some say was the real culprit at Nanking. There are many other examples. So I don't agree with you that his brain was dis-engaged. I think he said it very well.

Sorry. And I apologize if I miss understood the intent of the comment. There were indeed many who never paid for their crimes. Thank you for clearing that up for me.

Interesting! I wasn't aware that the German government shielded convicted war criminals...openly!!

Wonder how many others are hiding "in plain sight"?

Shame on Germany for not revoking his citizenship, arresting him returning him to the country that imprisoned and from where he escaped.

Germany protected many war criminals including the perpetrators of the 'Malmedy Massacre' in which a large group of American troops -- having surrendered to an SS tank unit -- with their hands bound behind their backs with barbed wire, were all machine gunned into a ditch near the Belgian town of Malmedy. The German personnel responsible for these murders were sentenced to death by a US military court but their sentences were reduced to life imprisonment by US authorities responding to German pleas for leniency [we needed German cooperation at the time, as we do now]. When the German courts were given control the convicted murderers were all released in less than five years. Our murdered soldiers were not brought back to life after five years... They remain in their graves.

I wasn't aware that the German government shielded convicted war criminals...openly!!

How about the Nazis that the U.S. shielded because they had a use for them? Amazing how the government willingly overlooks things if you have something they want/need like advanced technology.

You're right. Wernher von Braun and his group of rocket scientists come to mind. They were war criminals just as surely as Goering and Doenitz were.

Goering, sure. Doenitz, not so much. Several U.S. naval officers testified to his being an honorable warrior, if I remember correctly, which is why he got "only" ten years (and even the justice of that was and is disputed) and as Reichsprasident he surrendered the Reich's forces when they probably could have fought for several more days or even weeks and caused thousands of more casualties, much like Lee's surrender at Appomatox when the Confederacy could also have done so.

What was Von Braun truly guilty of, other than working for his government and his country being on the losing side? Developing a fairly effective weapon?

I agree Green. But reality doesn't.

If you win a war; you are a war hero.

If you lose a war; you are a war criminal.

It's simple really.

Yes, forget about duty.. Forget about patriotism.. Those issues belong to the winners. How can the enemy see themselves as such? The same way we did of course.. They didn't go about declaring themselves the enemy WE chose that handle for them.. They too thought God was on their side up and until they realized they were being led by a gaggle of criminals wherein they attempted to end Hitler's reign (unfortunately they kept failing).. As far as the German scientists are concerned, they were like all brainiacs.. Given a chance to prove their theories is the ultimate compliment to them regardless whether they get paid, are threatened with their lives or their families lives or which side they find themselves on. You can not hold them in the same light as the Nazi's because first and foremost (as the allies realized) they were scientists. And had it not have been for them, the Japanese war would have continued for years with countless more deaths and chaos. I myself believe these scientists delayed their works while working for Hitler, otherwise nuclear bombs wouldn't have been perfected as quickly while in American control (but that's just my opinion).

Malmedy was one of MANY incidents perpetrated by BOTH sides. Did any American, british, french or ussr soldiers get convicted of war crimes? Did the bombers of Dresden get convicted or the bombers over Tokyo for the infamous fire bombing missions. If you dont convict our criminals simply because we won, why should we expect them to prosecute their criminals. Ever hear what happened when the russians captured Berlin or other German cities? Maybe those innocents just liked being raped, executed or sent to a gulag. Hypocrites, all of you.

Nazi....National SOCIALIST German Workers Party. Hitler was inspired by Karl Marx and was an over-acheiver. While he killed @ 20 million Stalin was doubling down and Mao surpassed even Mohamed with 120 million.

No Sence..you have no idea...no idea what it takes to stop evil. There is no compromise with statism only it's defeat is acceptable.

ercillor-2107261

if my history serves me right, the men from that SS unit would be from the Gotz Von Berlichingen division. Those are the SS troops that the americans would have faced, they were also the only SS division that did not take part in Operations Barbarosa.

Hienrich Vogel: Way to go man, you just proved that there are still people out there that believe alot of what Hitler and other Anti-Semites preach. The Jews are not selling palestinian children into slavery, sadly under Sharia law the palestinians are doing that themselves. The Jews are not slaughtering palestinians by the thousands, but perhaps if the palestinians were to stop attacking and being aggressive... then the violence would stop.

Much of the Anti-Semitism that persists today can be traced back to 70 AD. That was the year Titus II had laid siege to jerusalem, it marked the separation of jews and gentile christians. From that alot of rumors and misconceptions of the Jews had begun to run rampant. Those lead to many inquisitions and persecution of jews and their communities. And then there came Islam, which brought about a whole new form of it.

Look into the history and you will soon understand why Israel is always on its toes... because it has to be.

Obama/Biden 2012.

What absolutely morbid sick stuff! All of it!

Several of you have mentioned how shocking it is that the German government shielded convicted war criminals...openly!! (or) Shame on Germany for not revoking his citizenship, arresting him...

Faber's protection came from the Catholic Church. The church had an amazing amount of political power during and after WWII in European countries. they alone were responsible for creating and maintaining the Ratlines across Europe -- the underground escape routes that enabled hundreds of Nazi War criminals to escape to non-extraditable countries (mostly in South America) after Germany surrendered the war.

Paxton Fetel, Islam brought freedom and justice to all who lived together in Arabic and Turkish lands. Where did the jews escape to when Christians conquered Spain from Arabs? Where did the Jews escape to during second world war? Why did the jews want to go back to Palestine when they knew there were Muslims there? For more than a thousand years, Islam was very tolerant about other religions.

Current problems are because Islam prohibits interest, and the rulers of this world (aka bankers) see Islam as a threat to their business and their bank owned media brain washes you so that you don't wake up. Bankers had a similar problem with Germany. Germans, out of gold due to first world war payments, created their own money as receipt for work. It was not borrowed from the banks (as we do - google for HOW DO BANKS CREATE MONEY). German economic model left the international banker out and that had to stop. All this Nazi, Jews whatever stories are propaganda to keep you busy so that you do not discuss the real issues and you remain a slave.

John Beans-6037296

'Nazi....National SOCIALIST German Workers Party. Hitler was inspired by Karl Marx...'

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NO, Hitler was a right-winger, an extreme right winger. Hitler was an avowed enemy of both Marxism and mainstream western liberalism.

Thank you Pigotry, you beat me to it. Lots of people that do not understand the politics of the Germans always hates Socialism becasue it brings to mind Hitler. Hitler joined the German Socialists party because it was the most popular party, people thought they were wonderful. Then Hitler proceeded to kick out or have killed the real Socialists of the party.

Hitler never was a Socialist even tho he joined their party in Germany.

If you look at politics as a scale from 1 to 10, 1. Communist 3. Socialist. 4. Democrats, 5 centrist or moderate. 6. Republicans 7. Tea Party 10. Faschist. Neither extreme is good for people. And I have heard that the scale is not a straight line, but rather a circle. and the Communist extremes meet the Faschist extremes in the back of the circle.

I love how the socialists lie about history. But truth is the first casualty of war

USSR = Union of soviet SOCIALIST Republics

NAZI = National SOCIALIST German Workers Party

These are the facts and millions died. I don't care if you don't want to face it.

Socialism is the bait to the stupid, like free cheese in the mouse trap.

Those who believe in the myth are like the children following the pied piper or Hansel and Gretel.

It an old story lost on people who want the government to be their daddy.

These stories are meant to teach people not to be so stupid. Unfortunately millions did not listen to the age old warnings they fell for the "we are different socialists" lie. That lie is their only means of getting power "Evil always come in disguise.

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm perhaps the pope should give himself up since he was a nazi.. or is he LOL forgiven ..

Do you know something that we don't was he ever accused or convicted of killing Jews because that would make a big difference.

The pope was in the Hitler Youth organization as were all German youths of that era. Are you advocating arresting the whole country? The Hitler Youth was NOT voluntary. Refuse to "join" and you and your parents were sent to the camps.

Some of these people were convicted more for the fact they were in the SS. Some were convicted rightly, but not all, as many underlings had office, or maintenance jobs that did not entail atrocities. A german friend told me of the trial situation. If the jury had a particularly horrid defendant on a particular day, then the next several defendants had no chance of acquittal. This guy could have been guilty as sin, and maybe not.

Devil's Son says: "Are you advocating arresting the whole country?"

My ex-brother in law was a member of the Hitler Jungen. He was very proud of his service to the Fuhrer and remains, today, a virulent anti-semite. In this he is probably fairly representative of most who served in the Hitler Jungen.

I do not advocate "arresting the whole country" but I don't think that we should have rewarded that bunch of anti-American nazi bastards either.

A friend on mine once said, "Given the chance, Germany would do it all over again." I tend to believe that.

The sad thing is that he lived that long and the second is Germany allowed him to live.

You know, growing up in Germany I used to be pretty embarrassed about the Nazi history. But seeing recently how some sloppy sow in North Carolina sided with that fundamentalist preacher calling for 'puttings gays (and by extention, future offenders, non-believers and heretics) behind an electrified fence' (Auschwitz-style) had a sobering effect. Here with all the benefits of living in a free country, having access to ALL the media, history information and 21st century education, and no pressure to have to FOLLOW ORDERS or expectations, because of the GESTAPO standing behind her... here she casually contends that' if it says so IN DE BOOK (old testament), then YES, gays should be put in a concentration camp, left to die'... given the chance, the potential war criminals of the future are sitting ready in THIS COUNTRY, having learned absolutely nothing from the holocaust or the religious wars of the middle ages... sickening!

Eye opening isn't smeagol?

Eye opening as mental midgets once again want to march along blindly. Tragically, they have no clue how far these modern extremists might be willing to go. And even some very patriotic, conservative German Jews refused to believe 'the Fuehrer' could possibly mean ill will towards them. The phenomenon of 'Jews for Hitler' is not an isolated event. Fieldmarshall Milch denied being a Jew and become a war criminal accused of crimes against humanity at Nuremberg. Many ignoring the writing on the wall were not so lucky!

Those who now feel comfortable wishing concentration camps and genocide on gays (because preacher says 'the bible says so') might have to realize that THEY TOO might eventually be behind the fence... Looking at how many marriages end in divorce (not acceptable 'in the book') or how many women aren't virgins when they get married... men might be brain-washed to 'turn the harlots in' as the bible calls for them to be 'taken to their father's house and be stoned to death'... and that is just for openers of offenses subject to death and mob violence!

The fundamentalist preachers across America are spiritual kin of the extremist demagogues of the 3.Reich aiming to scape-goat and rally the weakest links in society to vigilante violence! And weak links are young guys like these Nazis back then, who fell for the propaganda and became criminals!

Maybe you are onto something. People who want to live directly under the Hebrew Scriptures (the "Old Testament") in the 21st century are not all of that different than the people who tried to destroy all of the Hebrews.

smeagol or whatever:" Looking at how many marriages end in divorce (not acceptable 'in the book') or how many women aren't virgins when they get married... men might be brain-washed to 'turn the harlots in' as the bible calls for them to be 'taken to their father's house and be stoned to death'... and that is just for openers of offenses subject to death and mob violence!" ..........Your ramblings are kinda biased don't ya think? If there are a lot of women who aren't virgins, then there are a lot of men who aren't either. HUH? You need to take a chill pill.

You need to mind your own simple-minded business DeeryMay. Rambling rarely have a point, but my argument is all based on solid ground. It doesn't matter that some men might not be virgins either, the bible ONLY calls for women to be stoned to death. And it calls for a rape-victim to marry her rapist, 'or else they shall both be put to death'... a 'chill pill' is a fictional item that makes one become complacent and not use one's mind. I prefer wine and beer, although some Mormons tried to recently lecture me on 'Jesus turning water into grape-juice and not wine'... in a minute I shall have wine, but no chill pill!

The tragic irony is that the bible-thumping bigots call themselves 'Christians' although their minds are solidly stuck on stubborn and stupid like the very same arrogant cripple-hating, women-hating, vengeance-seeking pharisees who crucified Jesus.

Most worldly Jews (except for the most 'orthodox') want nothing to do with that 'violent, elitist' world. They tend to be either agnostic, virtually atheist or look at the old testament as 'just one of the historic texts' with the Torah having lots more wisdom and the rabbi being rather grounded and kind...

On the other hand, the pharisees and the Nazis had rather 'elitist' views of the world and subscribed to unforgiving dogmatic violence in their world... and fools, fans, and fundamentalist fanatics will always be misguided into hateful behavior by them!

Ironic, isn't it?

It's difficult to fight extremism without being a hypocrite though. How would you curb extremism in America without resorting to extreme measures yourself?

Education? Don't make me laugh, extremists flaunt their ignorance already. Peaceful protest? Ask the occupy movement how that's going for them.

Christianity is a genius of a creation if you think about it. If you position yourself as the "last religion", and anticipate the coming of any other religion as the "Next Religion", label it's creator the "Anti Christ", and automatically you will get this us vs them "End Times". We've already had the end times once, when Islamic armies almost overran Europe.

The only religion that can properly replace Christianity is a collaborative, 'leader-less' set of spiritualist teachings that undermine any attempt to pin someone with the "Anti Christ" tag. That is, a ego-less 'religion', rather then a ego-centric one that glorifies a singular person like Jesus or Mohammed.

I never saw it as a 'do as I do'.. 'be as I am' teaching but a simple, "heed the wisdoms of the logical laws and you will be alright'.. Yet as we follow we wish also to lead which goes directly against the word of God or Christ. If a person is so ignorant as to decipher the written laws in hidden meanings then they deserve the complications of those interpretations.. "Thou shalt not kill" is self-defined, to interpret it as, "Thou shalt not murder' or 'thou shalt not kill, unless' is simply giving the warmongers an open door to order the 'kill' and is merely pathetic semantics.. The argument that to kill is less a sin then to murder when in reality both are interconnected as Christ refused to do either. And our rebelliousness of failing to honor our mothers and fathers have culminated into the hatred that many sons and daughters feel towards all authority. Small wonder we are now looking for an entity to come destroy us in the name of the creature that we've deplored since religion began but which (if he/she/it is real) was created by this all knowing, all powerful God who must, because his creation has rebelled, come down like John Wayne and destroy this evilness.. That God created!! We've done nothing but create a reality TV drama that we beg to be a part of instead of preventing through peace and understanding. Yes, we're all screwed but we brought it all on ourselves through our ignorance and our jealousy.

maxgiver - the comment you made about the Pope, although entertaining, is not a fair comparison. The Pope had absolutely no choice in the matter. When German boys turned 14 they were required to register/join with the Hitler Youth. And Pope Benedict XVI, as a boy, was an unenthusiastic member and didn't attend regular meetings. When he was drafted into the German anti-aircraft corps, he eventually deserted to his family home and was soon after taken as a POW by American Military. He did not WANT this in his life.

This man, Faber, a Dutch citizen, made the conscious decision to join the Waffen SS and came from a strong DNS upbringing, which were Nazi sympathizers. After several months, Faber abandoned his military training, and moved on to "less demanding work" as a police officer and eventually a member of a firing line at the Westbrook Concentration Camp. He killed many jews, many of his own countrymen for opposing Naziism, and prominent members of the Dutch Resistance. After his father was killed by a member of the Dutch Resistance he became more extreme in his killings. After their trials, he and his brother were named "two of the worst criminals of the SS" by the Dutch court. He should have been extradited, but Germany dismissed his case for "lack of evidence" and had a policy of granting citizenship to foreign Nazi collaberators, thereby, basically giving him assylum until his dying breath.

Hard to draw a comparison between Pope Benedict and Klaas Faber when there's a little more information to work with.

All racists are @!$%#ing idiots who fail at life because they fail to see that they are hating their fellow human beings due to the racists being blinded by their intollerance and hatred.

Anyway. smeagol likes raw fishes I hope you find you're Precious soon because you two are mean't for each other. smeagol likes raw fishes I hope you like my post.

Racism sucks and it should stop because it only causes nothing positive.

To all the racists reading this:

SUCK ON A PORKUPINE, SUCK IT LONG AND HARD!

Hey smeagol. I see you've discovered the American christian/conservative movement. Also called the Republican Party.

It's a shame that roughly half of the people in this country are mindless, brainwashed, BuyBull thumping idiots who live to hate other people who don't think and worship like they do. But that is America. We even let the KKK join parades, too, and walk with everyone else. Of course, they also vote Republican...

He deserves a special place in hell. Him and every other nazi that is either dead or alive.

Probably because this POS only killed Dutch inmates...

duuug, didn't really read the article did you? He killed 22 JEWS and was involved in shipping many more to the death camps. The Dutch he was charged with killing were in reprisal for resistance attacks on Germans.

it was open war. Should every German soldier be tried?

Lets try 80 year old german troops, and sentence them to ten years without Metamucil. That'll even things up.

"it was open war. Should every German soldier be tried?" No, only those who participated in the targeted killing of civilians, and round-up of Jews. That was maybe 10% of the German military, and even few of those were ever tried much less convicted.

This POS was not a common plain old German foot solider in the Heer (Army). He was SS and in charge of prisoners. BIIIIG difference. Millions of common non-Nazi party member German guys were drafted, just like millions of US guys were drafted. All German soldiers were the enemy during the war, but they were not all SS or "Full Fanatic Freaks" (quoting Oddball in Kelly's Heroes).

All prison guards are in charge of prisoners, even in the US. That does not make a man a criminal, ust for being there. A lot of them had no choice where they were used by the Nazis. Nazis was a political party name..National Socialist Partei, I think.

I am totally disappointed in the Mossad for letting this one live to old age. They knew where he was since, according to the article, Germany refused to extradite. By the way, Germany does not have a death penalty and their interpretation of a life sentence is a maximum of 20 years.

So sick of the excuses 'he was JUST a soldier' blah blah. Everyone here freaked out when SSG Bales was accused of killing civilians fewer civilians than this, IN a WAR ZONE. Why are some of you minimizing this murderer's crimes?

Devil's son! Yes, you're right! That was my oversight...

Thanks for commenting, the Metamusal thing cracked me up. I have a book somewhere in my man cave on how the nazi's used fellow Jews as guards (I can't think of the name) in the different cell blocks and according to the author they were worse than anybody. They were given food and sex with the women house keepers for the officers. To be quite honest the suicide article brought me down and I am trying my best to get inebriated so all I can offer is good night and good luck.

Yep, Nazi comes from Nazionale Socialist Deutsche Arbreit Partie (National Socialist German Workers' Party). It was "socialist" only in the sense that it believed in the consoldation of industries into giant consortia; they were left in the nominal ownership of the people who controlled them prior to the rise of Hitler as long as these people were amenable to his control; if they were not, or if they were owned by Jews or other "non-Aryans" they were seized and usually given to loyal Nazis.

A perp is a perp, and until the perp is dead, there is still a case, besides this persp was convicted and cheated his sentence, the Dutch got robbed. And there are still perps around, old I grant you, but still around.

"Fikt die Nazis"

they are not all dead we still have the pope who was a nazi

maxgiver, give it up. None believe the rubbish you spout. I am not catholic.

That means he was 18-23 years old during the war, like the majority of soldiers. And that means he couldn't have been in charge of shipping prisoners off to the concentration camps why?

Yeah, like SSG Bales. A lowly errand boy. It's all good right? We paid $80,000 each for those murders and put him in a Federal Prison to await trial. What did Germany do? Refuse to extradite.

That pope guy is still kickin. Hiding out in the vatican protecting pedophiles.

papabran: maxgiver, give it up. None believe the rubbish you spout. I am not catholic.

None? Hardly. The Pedophile Catholic Cult is responsible for its own crimes against humanity. Many of them. that there is a former Nazi running the Cult now surprises nobody. Still... speak for yourself, papabran. There are MANY who feel Ratzinger is a filthy, goddam Nazi who is now running an organization that is, in many cases, even worse than nazi germany was, and has millions of cash supporters worldwide who send it endless money to feed the child-raping machine.

The Pope was NOT a Nazi Maxgiver. That is a shameful comment.

Gloria,

I thought you would be at a picnic today?

No Carson just typing on here and giving my opinion.The picnics are on Monday!

Why do you ask? Did you like this guy?

Gloria,

No, I don't know him. I work Monday so all my Holiday fun has to be now. Just got home from Cosmic Bowling! (Glow in the dark/Fog machines/Music) Have a Great Monday!

Whatever happened to Lt.Calley of MyLai Massacre fame? Not a damn thing either! Get over it! You used German knowhow when it was expedient...you can't have it both ways, though you try aweful hard...

Herr UberMann3766761:

1LT Calley was the fall guy forMyLAI and he has paid his dues. Much more so than those who have been hunted by the Wieselthal Group.

Okay UberMann, I'll let you have it your way. Two "wrongs" do make a "right." But to set the record straight Lt. Calley did stand trial for murder. He was duly convicted and sentenced. His conviction was given a limited pardon by Richard M. Nixon in 1974. And on appeal his sentence was reduced to time served in what turned out to be 3 1/2 years house arrest. Yes, Calley didn't get what he deserved but at least he did stand trial. And most importantly, Calley's actions at My Lai soured a nations perception of the Veit Nam era veterans as child killers! One other thing, Nixon was a Republican.

why is it that very few Japs were tried after the war?

They were. Many Japs were tried & even hanged too. It was just not as covered in the news of the time as much as the German Nurenberg trials were.

It says he fled to Germany in 1952 when there were 2 Germanys. Which did he flee to, East or West?

Many Japanese were tried after the war for war crimes. Some were executed for many different crimes. Some were executed for water boarding-- that's the same torture many republicans today insist is a legitimate interrogation technique and not torture despite the fact that we have convicted people as war criminals for doing it. Note that John McCain does not think water boarding is legitimate and does think it is a form of torture -- perhaps because he has actually experienced it.

Calley and his unit lost control and became (essentially) renegades The Ensatzgruppen were units deployed with the specific purpose of exterminating civilians. they were sociopathic criminals with an agenda , not an enraged group of poorly led men. Big difference

Milgram, to answer your question, he fled to West Germany, the one which bordered the Netherlands. Also, other than Communist spies, back then pretty much no one fled to East Germany. Hurts my perception of Ingolstadt as a pretty town on the Donau (Danube) and the home of Audi, though.

Jeff your full of it the japs did far more worse they'd run hot bayonets through your scrotum and use bamboo splinters under your skin.. so don't use your posts to bash republicans any of you if you didn't have your a$$ in the grass doing duty for your country you don't have room to talk.. i would like to see you or any other liberal crawling on Omaha beach while the Germans opened fire on ya with a MG-30 spewing rounds all around you you'd cry for mommy and wet yourself my uncle was blown out of a tank during the invasion of Normandy and lived only to throw his medals out in the dooryard when he saw what this country became all you media hyped republican-Democrat bashers out to be ashamed of yourselves this German was a kid during WW-2 what was a kid to do during a mad mans rule ??? tell us NOTHING!! but follow orders or be shot.. grow up and go to the veterans cemetery and look at the soldiers lying there and thank them for your freedom.. as far as Simon weaselthal and the rest of the Zionist christian haters they out to count their blessings that uncle sugar came to their rescue because if the japs didn't bomb Pearl harbor Jewry in Europe would have been eradicated just like the christian is in this country you people don't know how good we got it in this country i feel sorry for you

Note that John McCain does not think water boarding is legitimate and does think it is a form of torture -- perhaps because he has actually experienced it.

That's only because he spent so much time in the same room with Sarah Dimwit Palin. After that, waterboarding is a cakewalk. Of course, he picked her, so all his Palin-wounds are self-inflicted...

I am sad that one of the worlds last heroes died he served the last mesiah and now we will never find peace

Jos, in your case your grammatical and spelling abilities are truly, truly indicative of your intelligence ...

We wouldn't have put a man on the moon without help from people who were Nazis. Werner Von Braun comes to mind. Hitler came to power because of the way Europe strangled them economically, after WWI. When it took a bag of money to buy a bag of groceries, Hitler came to power and created a good economy. Germans were eating again and working in a full employment time. That could happen here if the destruction of our economy by this administration is not stopped in November.

When Hitler was campaigning to pass a referendum asking whether or not he should be give more or less total control, his campaign consisted in large measure of giving out medallions which stated something to the effect of "On 1 April 1922, a pound of meat cost 500 000 marks, a pint of beer cost 60 000 marks, a loaf of bread cost 30 000 marks", nothing about "Vote "Ja!" or "vote for Hitler". People were so scarred by the hyperinflation that they waned "stability" above all else -- above truth, virtue, or freedom. And this was in what was at the time perhaps the most civilized country in the world. Need I say that we should always keep this fact in mind?

The Iraqis I've met feel the same way, strange...

Yes, it sounds like Bain Capital.

No it sounds like Obama Motors (GM).

Teta & Das -- shame on both of you. That is beyond hyperbolic, and besides, GM's creditors got stiffed, even the Gentile ones!

If GM had a German CEO, maybe Germany's Auto industry wouldn't be kicking our crack.

give Dasvet a break. he still hates his mom, and at his age, he should know that sucking his thumb is a no-no.

Look at the video of the GM honcho talking to the Chinese. Other than that, you make no sense, Froggy..

That's right, he was 17 years old, and NOT an officer. He was doing what he was told. If he said 'No", he would have been shot on the spot. Come on, every kid in the world has been brainwashed by the military. It's still going on today. Does anyone with a brain understand? Probably not.

get real..

He was 17 when the war started, but he would have been in his early 20's when working at the camp. He wasn't some little kid. People knew that this was wrong and they did it anyway. Germany should be thankful that young adults like the Scholl siblings, Graf, Schmorell, Lafrenz or Probst didn't feel the same way. They were about the same age as my grandfather... and if I had a grandfather like that, I'd personally drag his sorry butt over the border.

No, he was Dutch, and as such a volunteer. The Germans didn't conscript Dutch, Belgians or others as soldiers, although many volunteered because they agreed with the basic fascist agenda.

They did conscript them as camp guards and often killed anyone who did not comply. However he could have chosen to disappear and join the resistance like so many others did. Some just did not have the courage to do so.

SSG Bales. Not an officer. So... that's an excuse??

It excuses nothing, but it does mean that he is held to a somewhat lower standard, as he was not given a commission stating specifically that he has "the special trust and confidence of the President of the United States".

Yeah, where is Cheney now?

He is plotting with Mr. Obama. Why are we still looking for Germans but never prosecuted the Japanese camp gaurds who committed just as many crimes against Chinese, Koreans, Americans, and other people? And why are the Japanese allowed to inshrine the few war criminals we did execute in a national memorial and deny the atrocities that they committed?

Everybody is a war criminal in someone's mind.

Milgram's experiment, we didn't prosecuted them because we know that someday the new generation will be going to love Sony's products alike and all those cars that are made of Japanese pop cans. The new generation doesn't even know what happened to Pearl Harbor and the Death March in the Philippines.

We should go after our own war criminals...

You really want to spend that much time in Texas or Wyoming?

Or 1600 Pennslyvania Avenue for the last three years.

Great point. And what about the mass slaughter of the American Indian?

And who would you like to pay for that? The grandchildren and great-grandchildren of the people responsible? It would be nearly impossible to prove who had an ancestor involved. Why don't we send the descendants of slave owners to prison as well.

And, let's not forget the passenger pigeons, the dodos, the dinosaurs, etc...

I believe some of my ancestors were on both sides of the Indian Wars. So I have two chances of being executed for war crimes.

George:

1) Hard to see where you think that Che and his immediate followers got away with anything, although I am aware that his old bosses the Castro Bros. are still altogether fat and happy.

2) Pol Pot died in custody but lived to see that he was discredited, even and especially by his fellow Commies, which should count for something.

Pantera: Why don't we send the descendants of slave owners to prison as well.

Probably not a bad idea, since their current ideology is that they'd like to reinstitute slavery. Of course, sending them to prison now would ruin any chance Romney has to win the White House...

Oh yeh Hubert. Let's also hunt and kill all the Vietnam Vets in the US that killed woman and children in the Vietnam villages. I know stories of US vets that were using drugs and were gun happy. They also talked of rape. You don't have a clue. It happens all over the world. Nothing has changed in war.

Kill the Al-quida THAN do cruel and unusual punishment? DUH!!

World Travler - You heard Vietnam Veterans committed those crimes? Were you there? I doubt it. The only one's I know who killed women and children was Calley and crew, and they were courtmartialed and sentenced to prison. I am a Vietnam Veteran, having served two tours in Vietnam with the 1st Marine Division in I Corps. During those two tours, I did not kill any women or children. Nor, was I gun happy. Yes, there were drugs in country, but no more than are on the streets of America today. Before you spout off your big mouth, perhaps you know the facts first hand. Jerk.

Worldtraveler,

What world do you travel in? American vets provided food, meds and care to women and children in 'Nam. And they often had to bury them when the Viet Cong killed the kids for accepting that help. While some isolated incidents, like with Calley happened, it was not US policy or embraced by the average GI. Some lies never stop being repeated.

Jimmy, I am a fellow vet, but after Vietnam. I had two brothers who did serve there. You guys were great and I thank you for your service in such a difficult time. It is because of beautiful people like you that worldtraveler has the right to spout his crap and travel the world. May God or Fate or whatever you believe bless you and yours.

Thank you for your service, you know there is only one way to understand.

Milgram:

How late did you serve that you don't know whether someone would flee to West or East Germany?

Sorry, OBAMA killed Osama bin Ladin, uh... right??? I wonder if it was a scorching hot day and Obama's sniper rifle was burning his hands while he himself pulled the trigger then maybe did a touchdown victory dance.

Pretty funny post, Kris, considering how you were trying to give credit to Dumbya Bush for bin-Laden's end just a week ago on the Vine...

Of course, we already know that a sniper rifle wasn't burning Dumbya's hands. He only had one military post, and it was in the reserves, and he was such a cowardly deserter that he ran from that into daddy's protective arms before he would have been sent anywhere dangerous.

Sign over your land and or rent payments to the local Tribe or shut up about war crimes Hypocrite

Loser, got butthurt much?

Toddy, Toddy, Toddy..... we never "Declared War" on the indigenous Indian population..... our ancestors only practiced genocide on them for the most part (including biological warfare tactics-using those nice warm Smallpox infected blankets they'd hand out for free to the tribes). I hope you understand the difference..... you can't just step in and claim huge swaths of land for your own when the real owners are still "Occupying" them....... our ancestors merely wanted to remove those "Savages" so that they could then be settled by "Good, Civilized, God Fearin' Folks"........ besides, they didn't kill them all........they gave them some great deals on the ownership of some designated properties under them there Treaties..... Knuck, Knuck............. errr' umm.....LOL....

I've been waiting on the 'Trail of Tears' national holiday with all the good sales, and barbeques, and fireworks, but it just seems to never happen. Yep, we wiped the floor with entire civilizations and don't have enough respect to honor them with one of our stupid holidays. Native Americans lived in balance with nature, and feared their Father. We 'reserved' for them hell in a whiskey bottle and a pack of cards. What few realize to this very day, is that their Father was watching. People will ask, "then why did their Father not protect them?" I will tell them the story of Christ, for the similarities are striking. Karma is a bitch, and she's an Indian Maiden, and she's stalking our asses right now.

Heat? There is no hell. Rather Heaven and Hell are representative of ones actions and conscience while they live. After you die, thats it. It is selfish, and cowardly to think you get to go on living forever after you die.

Cowardly to think whatever you get away with in life won't haunt you later, pantera.

Bravo! Bravo! Many props for a flawless response. I choose to believe in an eteranl hell so that I might live in a way in which would avoid such a terrible fate. It is very true that Heaven and hell are contained within each one of us, but they surely don't die when we do. It is incredibly selfish to believe that one's death would destroy Heaven or hell.

Cowardly to think whatever you get away with in life won't haunt you later, pantera.

Except that the peddlers of these fake values are the ones committing greater atrocities to their fellow man than anyone else. The catholic church and their child rape. American mainstream christians and all of their hate campaigns against other American citizens (gays, women, etc)... It's cowardly to think that this cultism is worth the rotten old paper its printed on.

freddy, Germany was not his homeland, Holland was.

The more reason we should have hung his ass.

Stoopid wrote: Speaking as a Jew, we must forgive those who betrayed us, if we want to be like God.

You are NOT a Jew or you wouldn't have written G-d's name

I am a Jew and I'm not forgiving anything the Nazis did................

jw101. hate to tell you, but in quoting Stoopid, you just wrote God's name. Even if you are quoting someone else, you're still not supposed to write it out like that.

Oops!

Whacky cult people and their silly BuyBull cult beliefs...nothing but endless (and MINDless) entertainment from you folks.

it's doubtful that Germany was worse than Japan. Have you ever read about the rape of Nan King? Like I said earlier, why were the Japs not tried the same? Very little effort went into pursuing Japanese war criminals.

why were the Japs not tried the same?

Because we allowed the Emperor and his military lap-dogs conditional surrender. If Hirohito thought he was going to be tried at the Hague, he would have put every man, woman and child in Japan on the battlefield between him and the executioner.

Most Japanese were staunchly dedicated to the concept that Japan's emperor was the embodiment of 'god' and thus he was the defacto spiritual leader of their nation. Quite a nice little escape hatch for a monster such as that, eh?

He would have gladly sacrificed every person alive to continue to live as a god king for as long as he could.

Hirohito was allowed to continue to rule because he was against the war from the start but was powerless to stop the militants in his country and because he threatened to break tradition and go to the people if they did not surrender. Why the rest were not prosecuted and why those that were are enshrined in a national memorial while Japan continues to deny it's guilt is a mystery to me. Maybe gentiles and Asians are not as valuble as the Jewish people. Or maybe more forgiving? Although niether the Nazis or the Japanese who did these things should be forgiven.

Cheesy, Mao killed up to one hundred million people, his own people. Hitler was a good guy when you rate him with Stalin,or Mao.

The Japanese surrendered, saving millions of their own lives and probably at least a million American ones, including my father's. The decision was hard-fought inside the Japanese General Staff even after the second A-bomb at Nagasaki, but was the right one, and prevented far worse destruction, as the U.S. was out of A-bombs at the time, and conventional bombing and firebombing would have resumed, followed by either another A-bomb, a "boots on the ground" invasion, or both.

Remember that Prime Minister Hideki Tojo and several other senior officers of the militarist regime were in fact executed or apparently "allowed" to commit suicide; the Japanese war crimes were more indiscriminate and not aimed at a few specific ethnic groups as were the Nazis but just at non-Japanese in general (although if I were Korean I might be considerably less forgiving).

'Worst Serial Killers of All Time'??? Hmmm. Bad ones but the worst??? Sorry, dig a little deeper into history or check out the Bible. At least the Germans didn't salt the earth or take 'war trophies' off the dead.

Dasvet: Cheesy, Mao killed up to one hundred million people, his own people. Hitler was a good guy when you rate him with Stalin,or Mao.

Wow, sorry to disagree. But no matter who you compare him to, or what rating scale you use, Hitler will never be a Good Guy.

Seriously, you must be a christian. Only a christian BuyBull-thump hack would say some of the things you've said in this thread...

!00 million is about four times the number that Hitler is credited with killing.

Germany protected this ass wipe until he died at age 90, it's such a pitty this worthless kraut @!$%#er was allowed to rot in this miserable sorry ass world that long. Oh well another dead piece of @!$%#, just like most humans when they die, nothing more than to just be forgotten about.Good riddence :)

and pedophiles....

So much for the Pedophile Catholic Cult! And, I fullly agree with you, gramma!

:)

There is no afterlife. Rather it is likely he suffered greatly during his life. Now? He is just rotting flesh.

He lived to 90 in Bavaria which is a lovely place. Sounds like he did not suffer much in his life. And how do you know there is no afterlife. Maybe he will be reincarnated as gefitelfish.

Man that stuff is weird looking... Some little part of me has always wanted to try it, but then I think to myself, that might be Hess or Himmler, I'll leave them to their rightful owners. I just hope Guhring came back as a Coca Cola, then I got his ass.

Yes, there is an afterlife. And he will pay for his crimes there.

Yes, there is an afterlife.

Sorry hon. You have no evidence to support that statement. That is only an unprovable cult claim.

Cheers!

All of you will pay for your crimes in the afterlife. Usury is forbidden, yet most of you borrow at interest and charge interest. You are all slaves, but you know not. World wars were fought for this reason. And some man fought for freedom while others fought to protect their own slavery. Repeat the same experiment in eternal life and you will become eternal slaves paying interest for money that private banks create out of nothing. The matrix is real. You need to wake up. Wake up before it is too late. You don't even know who is your friend and who is your foe. Germany fought to free you. You won. And look at you now. In debt, bankrupt and hopeless. You have surrendered your God given freedom to the banks. Idiots.