Lessons of UA Flight 232.

I sure hope airlines world-wide are going to be pulling and thoroughly checking their GE90 engines!

They have to determine what failed first before doing any kind of maintenance check. You don't just pull engines off wing because somebody else had a failure.

You're right, Wiley. The engine could have simply ingested something on the takeoff roll. GE90 engines have 10s-of-thousands of fault-free operational hours.

Not only can they land on one engine, they can take off with just one

Here we go, ground all planes equipped with GE 90 engines because one failed. Engines fail from time to time. For what ever reason, most likely something ingested by the engine, a bird, runway debris, whatever. A failure of an engine now and then is nothing to be alarmed about. When they start failing routinely, as with the R-R engines lately, then you have a reason to question that particular engines reliability, endurance and safety. The GE 90 series engine have been in service for many years with very few failures due to non external causes.

Just wondering why MSNBC used a photo in the article of an Airbus from Flight Simulator X. Its obvious that its not a real photo. The article is about a Boeing 777.

Because MSNBC doesn't know, or care about, the difference. They think they can post anything they want and we, the gullible masses, will accept it as presented.

Or maybe because the illustration is irrelevant to the case. Just like a drawing of a generic virus could be used for a piece about HIV.

Truth Seeker - Live up to your handle.

That really wouldn't have made any difference. Twin-engine planes are required to meet minimum extended time operation over water, single engine, or they can't fly that route.

Toronto to Tokyo would have been over the Arctic. Depending on distance to another airport, they would have kept going or just turned around.

Harry

My thoughts exactly .

Cutting maintenance to fatten the bottom line is never a good idea . To much down time on the air craft to repair the damage, also the law suits from loss of life will bankrupt an air line . But greedy CEOs still think break down maintenance is cheaper than preventative maintenance . Those fools will never learn .

bob

Harry is right on the button. The greedy bastards are trying to save money and lay off all those who PROPERLY know how to maintain airplanes. From what I have heard most of the work is done some where in South America? 1/3 the wages. Not even 1/4 of the quality. Personally I will not get on a plane.

Hah, I had a feeling the socialist moonbats were going to jump to conclusions long before any details of this case are known. Of course, had this been a state run airline such as Aeroflot, which has an appauling safety record, they would be nowhere to be found.

What in the hell does this have to do with socialism? I love how the Republican Tea Party groups blames everything on socialism and ignores how well Germany and the other socialist countries of Northwestern Europe are doing versus the USA

Air Canada is a very nasty airline. They hate their passengers and they hate their workers almost as badly. They will do nothing for a passenger weeks a head of their flight, I tried to get a seat assignment after forgetting to do it and they would not give me one as they set aside 20% of the seats for people that might buy one shortly before departure date (read here, they can charge someone way more for a seat)

Aww, did Air Canada lose your luggage one time? As for not getting a seat assignment, an airline doesn't depart with an empty seat if there's someone right there who has, presumably, purchased a ticket and leave them behind. Were only center seats available and you refused to take it?

There's more to your story methinks.

Willy,

Speaking of jumping to conclusions, why does someone speaking against socialism automatically have to be "Republican Tea Party groups"?

Hmmm...You sound like a Union guy, Harry. Blame the 'Unskilled" techs before anything else is investigated to defend the $65.00/ hour wrench turner.

I love how the Republican Tea Party groups blames everything on socialism and ignores how well Germany and the other socialist countries of Northwestern Europe are doing versus the USA

What planet are you ON, Willy? Have you looked at any news coming out of Europe recently? Half the continent is in absolute financial meltdown, Germany is struggling to keep its s*** together while the rest of their neighbors go to hell in a handbasket and the Euro is about to fail.
How's that socialism lookin' for ya?

I am so thankful all on board landed safe, and that there was only material damage on the ground from debris falling from the sky. One thing i was wondering where was the fuel dumped, and how much enviromental impact was there from the fuel being dumped. I know why fuel is dumped, to make it safer to land the jet. Just asking.

Sauve, your comment made me laugh. AC may not be great, but as an American who normally flies U.S. carriers, I'd take AC any day over our mainstream U.S. carriers. Free bags, televisions at every seat and drink service, when most U.S. carriers only offer drink service at best?

I agree with Jet: it sounds like there's a bit more to your story.

Not more to the story. Every time I use that airline they act like that. Flying from Victoria to Vancouver you get there a hour ahead of time and there is space on the next flight instead of waiting for yours, the only way your getting on that earlier flight is if you pay $75. I used air miles to go from Victoria to Thailand, they booked me from Victoria to Vancouver on one day and from Vancouver to Thailand 17 hours later? When contacted they said yes there are flights the morning of the flight to Thailand and there is space but I did not pay for my ticket so there was nothing they could or would do. the list from friends f mine goes on and on.

The first 777s entered service in 1995

Not old at all in terms of planes.

meh...the article is a copy/pasta of a tv news story; as such, it's pretty thin in details. I wouldn't assume much of anything based on this article.

I would assume that GE-NBC thinks Boobus Americanus is dumb as a bag of rocks with limited reading comprehension skills.

They'd be correct.

William C, The damage is covered by ones car insurance carrier...who in turn will deal with the airlines insurance carrier.

Either way Soviet I doubt they will be reimbursed

WC, just what facts do you base this type of statement on?

William Cooper

You sound like the type of person that would sue for anything, kinda hard workin eh?

Nope. That was a compressor blade they showed. That is deep inside the engine. This a similar event to that A380 whose engine failed in Singapore. In this case, it seems the parts went down instead of up through the wing, a fortunate circumstance.

Sorry Wahoo, the GE 90 is a high by-pass turbofan engine. The first stage fan blades are very karge and at the extreme front of the engine. they are tested for bird strike and are certified to withstand ingestion of a large bird without catastrophic failure. The fact that the engine was damaged to the extent indicated by the debris mentioned suggests that it ingested something substantial or it experienced internal failure. In either case, damage of this extent wil cause a serious disruption to fuel air combustion and a subsequent rise in Exhaust Gas Temperature (EGT) readings, thus the engine overheating comment.

agree,some type of stress failure???,some unusual defect???, operations of aircaft not correct???,who knows,after all it took several deaths to find out that square windows on airplanes is a bad idea!!!.

They probably already are...

Engines are still made here.

I wonder what Jeff Immelt is doing about that?

lostinmn,

There is no welding related to the assembly of the vanes to the rotor. The vanes are fitted into precision cut slots in a one-piece rotor.

Just a nit, but I think you mean vanes not veins

They dumped it into the air. It evaporates before it reaches the ground.

so we eventually get to breathe it in...nice...

Sylvia, no you breathe air, the fuel breaks down as it evaporates into the same things already in the air you breathe. Dont forget fossile fuels are actually a natural substance.

[Adam and eve] electric or battery?

You should look at this. GE Bird strike tests.

It is good

I think you mean fan blades and not "veins".

I think he meant "vanes" which would be correct.

there are both vanes and blades in an engine. it alternates between a row of blades and a vane row, which are usually 2 half round pieces making up the circumference of the rotor. the purpose of the vane is to prevent swirling of the air so that it will compress to create the thrust.

the pieces in the picture are definitely blades. i can see the roots of the blades.

There are two sets of airfoils in a jet engine, blades and vanes. Both are present in the compressor as well as the turbine assemblies. Blades comprise the rotating airfoil and are attached to the compressor and turbine rotors. Vanes are static airfoil assemblies and are usually attached to the compressor or turbine housing.

also known as stators.Or to be more precise, one row of rotors with one row of stators = one stage.

i could be wrong, but i am under the impression that the windsheild is laminated glass, which is different from safety glass. safety glass in the glass in the side windows, which breaks into a million little unsharp pieces. that would not be good for a windshield, which takes a lot of abuse. safety glass was a big step forward at a time (the '20s i think) when auto glass was regular tempered glass. huge deadly shards were part of every accident.

Amtrak can be more comfortable and hassle-free. But when you're going to Japan, as this plane was, it ain't gonna work out for you.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Nowhere did it mention anything about cause or even causal factors.

Check the gauge on your head because you're down a few pounds in air pressure.

Wow such underlying anger. I don't know where you get all your information, but with this seemingly one-sided post you made, it is clear that you are not a thorough thinker, but someone who propounds without truly understanding. What a waste of emotional energy on your part. I certainly hope that with maturity will come deeper thinking on your part.

Alain, thank you for informing us that the tea party is now in Canada. As this is an Air Canada plane, it seems that you have found proof that supports your unique statement.

adam, I would like to know why people like you who disagree with some one always tells them to get a job. Do you really think the people on the left do not work? Only righties work? Get real and get some new insults.

Alain

Your little aluminum cap is on to tight again. You need to slack up on the restaints so some blood will make it to what is left of your tiny brain.

It very likely was.

The GE90 engine was released in 1995, in Clinton's administration. Mr. Obama lied to you.

DiettrichtheKaiser=

Better check your property title, deed, or abstract. At least in Minnesota, the Rail Road and the state owns much of the property and mineral rights, As far as I know much of the country is divided up that way. Between the industry giants of yesterday and the governments middle finger, the property you do buy is basically a lease from the government. People don't actually get to own their property. It all depends on if you got something they want.

I wouldn't brag too much on it,your property tax will go up!!!,have your house look like poop on the outside but be a palace on the inside,oh yeah and keep your curtains drawn so the assessor cant see in,cheap taxes while living in luxury.

Should they go around them? Have you ever been out of your own little berg?

well duh!!,when you spend so much time in the air flying from one place to another,sometimes you forget where you parked your car!!!,maybe the pilot is just looking for an apartment to rent , or the quickest route to work???, whats wrong with multitasking???.

The riskiest part of air travel is the cab ride to/from the airport...