On Tuesday President Barack Obama awarded the nation's highest civilian honor, the Medal of Freedom, to a new group of recipients that included Bob Dylan. NBC's Brian Williams reports.
WARSAW, Poland -- President Barack Obama has written a letter to the Polish president expressing his "regret" for an inadvertent verbal gaffe that caused a storm of controversy in Poland this week.
"In referring to 'a Polish death camp' rather than 'a Nazi death camp in German-occupied Poland,' I inadvertently used a phrase that has caused many Poles anguish over the years and that Poland has rightly campaigned to eliminate from public discourse around the world," Obama wrote. "I regret the error and agree that this moment is an opportunity to ensure that this and future generations know the truth."
Poles had called on Obama to apologize for a phrase they have long sought to erase from historical and newspaper accounts that suggests Poland, which was occupied by Nazi Germany during World War II, was partially responsible for Holocaust atrocities perpetrated on its soil.
Poland expresses dismay at Obama's 'death camp' comment
Numerous German camps in occupied Poland during the war included the infamous Auschwitz-Birkenau, Krakow-Plaszow and Treblinka complexes.
Warsaw has been waging a campaign for years against phrases such as "Polish death camps" or "Polish concentration camps" to refer to Auschwitz, Treblinka and other German killing sites. The language deeply offends Polish sensitivities because Poles not only had no role in running the camps, but were considered racially inferior by the Germans and were themselves murdered in them in huge numbers.
"The events of the past few days and the U.S. president's reply may, in my opinion, mark a very important moment in the struggle for historical truth," President Bronislaw Komorowski told reporters.
Obama made the verbal slip-up while posthumously awarding the Medal of Freedom to Jan Karski, a resistance fighter who struggled to tell the outside world about the murder of Jews in his country. Karski, who was Catholic, smuggled himself into the Warsaw Ghetto and a death camp, witnessing the atrocities committed against the Jews firsthand. He then took that information to President Franklin Delano Roosevelt and other Allied leaders, imploring the world to act.
Karski later became a professor at Georgetown University and died in 2000.
For days, Obama's words have dominated the news in Poland. Prime Minister Donald Tusk said the entire Polish nation felt affected.
"We always react in the same way when ignorance, lack of knowledge, bad intentions lead to such a distortion of history, so painful for us here in Poland, in a country which suffered like no other in Europe during World War II," Tusk said Wednesday.
Reuters and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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To set the record straight, although President Obama committed the horrendous crime of a verabl slip-up, at 25:46 (25 minutes and 46 seconds into the officially posted video on the Whitehouse website), during the publicly declared, officially documented and recorded presentation of the the award, the term "NAZI Izbica transition camp" is used, and therefore specifies that this was NAZI and not Polish. The official, documented, presentation also indicates a more detailed understanding as the term "transition camp" is used, as opposed to "death camp"; which is historically accurate as it is believed that Karski did not actually arrive at an extermination camp (i.e. Belzec) but the "Durchgangslager" (transition and sorting camp) at Izbica Lubelska.
This article is therefore also inaccurate by claiming that Karski had been in a "Death Camp" when reality he was in a "Durchgangslager (transistion camp).
..or maybe someone else can squeeze a bit more blood out this gnat.
Thank-you for the clarification and I'm quite glad that you started this thread.
This Polish American votes Obama 2012
Yeah well I don't buy it. This Polack lived in the midwest and I know just how racist blacks in the Chicago area are. President Obama could care less about insulting the Polish people and probably used Polack and Honky as everyday terms when he lived there.
lonereb,
I believe your moniker says more about where you are from as well as your feelings and beliefs regarding Blacks.
The truth be;
"Americans regret their 2008 vote, vow not to make the same mistake again this year."
OBAMA: Now admit to the world that Mexico did absolutely nothing to fight Nazi Germany during WW2.
More Russians died in WW2 than Mexicans living in Mexico at that time. Around 25 million.
But Poland suffered the most casualties in WW2 percentage wise.
smart Americans regret every bush vote. If Jeb hadn't given his brother Florida, monkey boy bush would never have gotten to the white house, we wouldn't have invaded the wrong country after 9/11 to the tune of $10 billion a week for 10 years, the horrible tax cuts would never have happened and the economy would still be in great shape, if not completely out of debt by now, as was projected when clinton left office.
Well trying to figure out that "lonereb", because that could mean a lot, is that rebel? Midwest, Chicago, blacks...your a racist polack!
Still just one more example of foot in mouth ignorance.
*A Right Winger's Response* Get a rope!
*Everyone else's* Apology Accepted.
Yeah I bet the Nazi's never killed anyone there. *rolls eyes*
Oh the irony just drips off this post. Are you really this dense?
No competition to the guy below who I quoted for you. :)
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3. "Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?"—Florence, S.C., Jan. 11, 2000
4. "Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across the country."—Poplar Bluff, Mo., Sept. 6, 2004
5. "Neither in French nor in English nor in Mexican."—declining to answer reporters' questions at the Summit of the Americas, Quebec City, Canada, April 21, 2001
6. "You teach a child to read, and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test.''—Townsend, Tenn., Feb. 21, 2001
7. "I'm the decider, and I decide what is best. And what's best is for Don Rumsfeld to remain as the secretary of defense."—Washington, D.C., April 18, 2006
8. "See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda."—Greece, N.Y., May 24, 2005
9. "I've heard he's been called Bush's poodle. He's bigger than that."—discussing former British Prime Minister Tony Blair, as quoted by the Sun newspaper, June 27, 2007
10. "And so, General, I want to thank you for your service. And I appreciate the fact that you really snatched defeat out of the jaws of those who are trying to defeat us in Iraq."—meeting with Army Gen. Ray Odierno, Washington, D.C., March 3, 2008
11. "We ought to make the pie higher."—South Carolina Republican debate, Feb. 15, 2000
12. "There's an old saying in Tennessee—I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee—that says, fool me once, shame on—shame on you. Fool me—you can't get fooled again."—Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002
13. "And there is distrust in Washington. I am surprised, frankly, at the amount of distrust that exists in this town. And I'm sorry it's the case, and I'll work hard to try to elevate it."—speaking on National Public Radio, Jan. 29, 2007
14. "We'll let our friends be the peacekeepers and the great country called America will be the pacemakers."—Houston, Sept. 6, 2000
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17. "People say, 'How can I help on this war against terror? How can I fight evil?' You can do so by mentoring a child; by going into a shut-in's house and say I love you."—Washington, D.C., Sept. 19, 2002
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19. "I'm looking forward to a good night's sleep on the soil of a friend."—on the prospect of visiting Denmark, Washington, D.C., June 29, 2005
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22. "You know, when I campaigned here in 2000, I said, I want to be a war president. No president wants to be a war president, but I am one."—Des Moines, Iowa, Oct. 26, 2006
23. "There's a huge trust. I see it all the time when people come up to me and say, 'I don't want you to let me down again.' "—Boston, Oct. 3, 2000
24. "They misunderestimated me."—Bentonville, Ark., Nov. 6, 2000
25. "I'll be long gone before some smart person ever figures out what happened inside this Oval Office."—Washington, D.C., May 12, 2008
Just another painful example of incompetence on the part of our present ruler. Most probably he did not know where Poland was before receiving presidential briefings and traveling to Europe after his election. Remember , in not one of the 57 states he claimed to have visited while campaigning was he ask about Poland, so it's just not on his mind.
The Polish are trying to rewrite history if they are trying to avoid responsibility for the death camps. Poles were rabidly anti-semitic long before the war and eagerly collaborated with the Nazis. It was no accident that a huge proportion of Jews were murdered in Poland and that the worst death camps were located there.
Readabook........do you live in Skokie IL......do you wear a Yamulka, have you ever told a Polack joke (bet you have, most Jews I know have told some to me, they seem to relish in it)?
People, these camps were located in Poland, but not because the Polish wanted them, the Nazis did it for logistical reasons, what is so difficult to understand about that. So, yes, it is understandable that Obama referred to them as "Polish death camps" because of their location, while it is also understandable that he did not mean to indicate Polish responsibility in their operation. C'mon mouth breathers, connect the dots.
How do you connect dots.
Roadhouse - they may not wanted the Nazi's according to you, but they allowed them one way or the other, you cannot change the truth.
It is pretty clear that those that allowed it to happen, did condone it through their lack of action. Does the shoe fit you? Or are you just talking and doing nothing. Connect the dots.
Billy.....: "Roadhouse - they may not wanted the Nazi's according to you, but they allowed them one way or the other, you cannot change the truth."
.............Sure, they ALLOWED it, the same way the British and French allowed the Nazis to drive them into the sea at Dunqurque (Dunkirk if you prefer), the same way the French allowed the Nazis to occupy Paris, the same way the British allowed the Nazis to bomb London, do you think you can understand that?
Hell Off Wheels, I'll have my 8-year old grandson send you a crayon and instructions for connecting the dots.
ACK! NOT another open-mic mistake!
Jeff - that list was awesome! Thanks for the memories and the laughs!!!
How dare any of you obvious Obama haters say a word? Your forefathers made everything you have possible by committing as yet unaddressed genocide and ethnic cleansing. You people really should get your karmic comeuppance.
I'm glad Obama apologized in a thoughtful direct manner. That seems appropriate. I'm sure it was unintentional and quite frankly, Obama was simply reading a script on a teleprompter that someone else wrote for him. No slight on Obama's teleprompter habit, that's just the way things are. Every president has several speech writers.
However, what's odd is the delay it took to respond. After days of tepid responses form the White House Press Secretary, I'm glad they finally did something appropriate. Maybe Obama was too busy with his six fund raisers yesterday, or maybe he was focusing like a laser beam on the economy (NOT), and finally just had time now to sign a letter that someone prepared for him.
And regarding verbal gaffs, this guy gets quite a pass from the Media, something never afforded to a republican. Even Joe Biden, a complete buffoon, is never ridiculed for his completely asinine comments. Dan Quayle was mocked and ridiculed for tell a student he misspelled "potato" because it was misspelled on the card the Teacher prepared for him. Instead of focusing on the teacher, the media and Hollywood carried on for weeks, even featuring a scene on Murphy Brown where a dump truck unloaded a pile of Potatoes at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
So, yes, a verbal gaff. Not an issue, it happens. But the oddly slow response and the complete pass by the media is disturbing. There's an incredibly disgusting and clearly visible set of double standards practiced by the media regarding coverage of Democrats and Republicans. Thank goodness the country is becoming more aware of this.
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So it's pretty clear that if a woman stops fighting the rapist, that she is condoning herself being raped?
At some point in time, it becomes about survival moreso than anything else. Not everyone likes the idea of going down in a blaze of glory, screaming defiance into the eyes of the demon come to take you...
John, and all the other detractors for that matter, I'd sure like to see you do better. You clearly have no idea what the President of the United States has on his desk every day. You have no idea. What a bunch of pitiful backseat drivers and Sunday Quarterbacks. Best President we've had in decades! Quite possibly the best since Lincoln. Pretty soon, people are going to get past all the dazzle of the GOP and recognize the manure for what it is....
He's only the best president we've had in decades IF you are one of his blind supporters. What makes his gaffes more excusable than any other POTUS? Face it--you either love him and believe him to be the best thing since sliced bread, or you're a realist who sees that the guy has flaws and isn't the Messiah. There isn't one POTUS in American history who has/had a perfect track record.
Oh yeah, what a "fine" idiot of a leader we have! I am ashamed that this moron represents my country, America!
Poland is a very antisemitic place as is most of Europe. More people were killed in Poland than at any other death camp. Poland HAD the biggest population of jewish citizens. It was a death camp and its too bad Polish feel differently and want to hide the truth. Poland should be apologizing to humanity for what happened too there own people who happened to be the wrong religion and had the wrong color hair as in Polish are blond and blue eyed and Nazi Germany and Poland were partners in trying to create the blue eyed blond super race.
So I could care less what Poland has to say...It was a death camp and why skirt around it. It was on POLISH LAND ..Gee how many Jewish people live in Poland now NOT VERY MANY.
So yes Obama is wrong for apologizing to the Poland. He is not wrong for saying what has been said all along. Polish people just don't like Obama
This is just an excuse for the predominatly american polish who are catholic too find yet another excuse to dislike the president because the catholic church is mad about having to provide birth control.
Oh the catholic church also doesn't admit its wrong doing and antisemitc belief system that helped Nazi Germany justify the POLISH DEATH CAMPS during world war II so why should Poland.
And many history books call them Polish death camps because thats where there were and why the places existed...Poland just needs to apologize to the Jewish Community..Its long overdo
And a great many Polish people ended up in it.
Ashamed of President Obama? If Romney is elected, you will really know shame...and regrets!
The Nazi's considered the Poles subhuman, so I doubt there was a whole lot of collaboration.
@readabook:
so... is it Oswiecim i Brzezinka? or Auschwitz-Birekenau?...
Rogoznica? ...oops that was Gross-Rosen; in Silesia, part of Germany at the time... strange how the Poles, who had been invaded by the Nazis in September, 1939, could have built a concentration camp on what had been German territory for about 700 years.
Strange how the Nation of Israel and Yad Veshem lists non-Jewish Poles in Poland at the top of "Righteous Among the Nations"
How strange it is that the Nazi command structure laid the plans and oversaw the entire operation of Konzentrationslagern throughout the Reich.
Strange how the American Jewish Committee published the following statement:
The American Jewish Committee wishes to express appreciation to Poland for hosting the commemorative event to mark the 60th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz-Birkenau, and gratitude to Polish President Alexander Kwasniewski for his eloquent and stirring words at the ceremony.
We would also like to remind those who are either unaware of the facts or careless in their choice of words, as has been the case with some media outlets, that Auschwitz-Birkenau and the other death camps, including Belzec, Chelmno, Majdanek, Sobibor and Treblinka, were conceived, built and operated by Nazi Germany and its allies.
The camps were located in German-occupied Poland, the European country with by far the largest Jewish population, but they were most emphatically not "Polish camps".
This is not a mere semantic matter. Historical integrity and accuracy hang in the balance.
Poland was the first nation attacked by the Third Reich, which ignited the Second World War on September 1, 1939. Polish forces fought valiantly, but were overwhelmed by the larger and better equipped Nazi army that invaded from the west, and then by the Soviet army, an ally of Hitler at the time, which attacked from the east. Nonetheless, Polish forces in exile continued the struggle against Hitler, together, of course, with other Allied troops, until the war's end. And it should also never be forgotten that, in addition to Polish Jews, who were targeted for total annihilation by the Nazi Final Solution, other Poles, including political prisoners such as Professor Wladyslaw Bartoszewski, who spoke so movingly at Auschwitz on January 27, and who was a key figure in the Polish underground, were also seized by the Nazis and incarcerated in concentration camps.
Any misrepresentation of Poland's role in the Second World War, whether intentional or accidental, would be most regrettable and therefore should not be left unchallenged.
New York, January 30, 2005
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I'm a non-Jewish American, living in Poland for several years now, and that after over 2 decades in Germany.
Maybe you should read this book "Fear: Anti-Semitism in Poland after Auschwitz" written by Jan Tomasz Gross...
Here is a few links that talk about the terrible treatment Holocaust survivors recieved at the hands of Polish citizens...http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1706315,00.html
Or another link that talks about this issue
http://www.economist.com/blogs/easternapproaches/2010/06/poland_and_anti-semitism
@ Readabook-Poles collaborated with Nazis too create a blonde haired blue-eyed race?
Where to begin? This is the first time I have ever heard of this conspiracy theory
Nazis considered Slavs to be sub-human. Maybe fit for labor, but not equals--I think events confirm that fact as thousands of Poles died in the camps.
Oh and by the way--this Polish-American and her family are have dark hair and brown eyes. Northern Poles tend to be fairer because of the proximity to Scandinavia (a history of Nordic invaders). My family came from the south.
I am also not Catholic (Grandpa gave it up long ago), I'm not anti-semitic and I support Obama.
Your blanket statements about what Poles are and are not make you sound like a xenophobic crazy person.
... I wonder why it says, over the entrance to Auschwitz: "Arbeit Macht Frei" and not "prace uwalnia"...
@readabook-I have read your links and they mostly seem to be about the post-war behavior in a raped and demoralized country. And Gross's take seems to be controversial even within the Jewish community. There is nothing about a Nazi-Polish plan to make a blue-eyed race.
I have no doubt that anti-semitism was thick in Poland as well as all of Europe. But you seem to have a dislike of Poles that extends to convicting them of conspiracies--when most of the crimes discussed stem from fear and desperation.
There was collaboration. Not as much as in France but there was. Every time there's an occupation someone collaborates. It's human nature. There were even a small number Jews who collaborated with Nazis in the Ghetto to improve their living conditions. Sad as it is it's true.
One of those jews that collaborated was named George Soros. Or at least that's his name now.
Waaa waaa waaa... the Nazis considered the Poles subhuman. It's not [their] fault.
The Nazis considered all non-Aryans subhuman. The Poles were antisemitic long before the Nazis came in. They collaborated, assisted, facilitated and enabled the Nazis to murder millions.
Yes, this is what Mr. President Obama meant.
@readabook and firethemall- There is a reason that Poland had the largest population of Jewish people before and during WWII. If either of you would do any research or really know your world history, then you would truly know that the Jewish people were always welcomed in Poland. Hence, the large numbers of Jewish people living there. They had always been free to practice their Faith for hundreds of years. That is why many Jews moved to Poland long before WWII. This is one of the reasons why Hitler hated Poland.
Did Obama have problems reading his prepared speech?
I know right! When he wins the elections maybe he get his victory speech right.
The White House website has publications that are full of errors. One is that he credits Hispanics with being 11% of the US military, then claims that there are 1.33 million Hispanics in the military. The entire active US military is around 1.5 million.
Maybe it is because Mr. Obama and his "speech" writers cannot get their figures straight. And just think how Mr. Obama spins the economy and unemployment records.
Examples:
1. During the 2008 Presidential election campaign: "Let's see now, I have visited 57 States and 1 left to go.....".
2. Or maybe the Olympic date with Jesse Owens participation:
Maybe he should apologize to the American people about his Treyvon Martin comments WITHOUT knowing the facts of the case and sparking RACIAL CONTROVERSY between the American people.
No one cares. Cultic persuasion is rampant with the Obama followers. They just do not know it yet.
Obama is an IDIOT
His so-called victory speech will be in KENYA
duh uh duh uh duh
Both of you seem to be fans of Rush Limbaugh; it's the kind of commentary that he would say on his radio show, verbally sharing his prejudices with his nationwide and international audience against people of non-white races, women, minorities, public sector employees, scientists, academicians, environmentalists, members of non-christian faiths, minority ethnic groups, etc.
My suggestion to both of you is to stay in school. And do some traveling to other countries as tourists, you might learn something about the world and the people around you.
dobi, what jr high school did you flunk out of?
rrradiko (post 4.2)
Yep, Rush is such a pathetic racist that his very own chief of staff/call screener is a negro. Gosh, what's Rush thinking, keeping 'da man down by paying him hundreds of thousands of dollar. Hmmmm, I think the racist pig even had a negro even serve as his minster during his recent wedding Ken Hutcherson.
Wait, maybe Rraiko really has NO IDEA what he/she is talking about.
Do try to get some news from other than MSNBC and Move On.org.
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ummm…I think that pinning one of the most atrocious crimes against humanity to a wrong nation in a public setting is "little" more than media just "squeezing (some) blood" out of it, especially if that nation was a major victim of that crime i.e. it is estimated that SIX (6) MILLION POLES died during Holocaust. Obama is the Head of our State and former education (Professor of Law from University of Chicago), therefore there is no room for such ignorant statement that reeks of mis-education and political incorrectness, to be coming out of his mouth.
This doesn't seem like that much of a slip-up. He didn't say that Poland committed the attrocities. He called the camp Polish because it was in Poland. ...and then he explained his mistake and apologized. I have a hard time believing anyone was really emotionally damaged by that. I told this story to my Holocaust survivor grandpa, and he just chuckled. He has always called Amersfoort a Dutch prison camp, because it was in the Netherlands. It is just a slight misnomer, not a serious insult.
I was. I'm Polish. I lived with the ethnic crap coming out of the mouths of northern Blacks all my life and I don't believe he is the least bit sorry.
@ Readabook-Poles collaborated with Nazis too create a blonde haired blue-eyed race?
Where to begin? This is the first time I have ever heard of this conspiracy theory
Nazis considered Slavs to be sub-human. Maybe fit for labor, but not equals--I think events confirm that fact as thousands of Poles died in the camps.
Oh and by the way--this Polish-American and her family are have dark hair and brown eyes. Northern Poles tend to be fairer because of the proximity to Scandinavia (a history of Nordic invaders). My family came from the south.
I am also not Catholic (Grandpa gave it up long ago), I'm not anti-semitic and I support Obama.
Your blanket statements about what Poles are and are not make you sound like a xenophobic crazy person.
From the comments I've seen out of you so far, that does not surprise me. I think you'd be offended by anything the president seen. Also, the fact that you used this terminology
makes you unqualified to decide what is politically correct.
caselyjane ------ Why do lonereb 's comments describing his personal experiences as a Pole make him " unqualified to decide what is politically correct"? Could your insensitivity to the plight of others be clouding your judgement.
He is unqualified to judge what is politically correct because he makes sweeping generalizations about "Northern Blacks."
in case you missed it, there is some, um, subtle racism there.
The Polish government shouldn't be so indignant over Obama's mispeak. Certainly he made an error referring to Nazi death camps as Polish death camps, but plenty of Poles collaborated with the Nazi's and were more than happy to turn in their fellow Jewish Poles to the Nazi's. There were some righteous gentiles to be sure, but there were plenty that weren't so righteous.
You apparently did not have family that lived in Poland during this time. You have no idea of what you are talking about and need to just learn history or talk to those that have gone through it before making a fool of yourself!
Myers, seems you need to take up learning history, because that's exactly what happened. Some Polish people were more than complicit to let up knowing where Jews were, because when the Jews were kicked out, sometimes they would luck out and get the property. There's stories of Jews being killed when they came back after World War II, because the Poles didn't want to give up what they had received during the war.
There's also stories of Polish people saving Jewish lives during the war as well, but when you see a spade, you call it a spade. There were terrible acts on both sides of the war, and no country that participated was truly innocent (destruction of Dresden, firebombing of Tokyo, etc).
Before you start calling people fools, you need a history lesson yourself.
Enlighten us, Myers....what are you talking about?
When the war began and the Soviets invaded Poland - yes, on September 17, 1939 - the Jews of the then eastern Polish cities now in Lithuania, Belarus, & Ukraine greeted the Red Army and collaborated with the communist invaders. Poles were taken to Soviet gulags with the complicity of Jews, many of whom were communists. Indeed, many of the commissars (political officers) in the Red Army and the Cheka/NKVD/Smersh were ethnic Jews who imprisoned and murdered Poles. The Katyn Forest Massacre of 25,700 Polish Army officers was their most notorious deed.
If Jews had it so BAD in Poland since, at least, the 11th century A.D., why did they stay. Why did so many immigrate there from the inquisitions and the pogroms in the West? As for Poland's partitions in the latter part of the 18th century, Jews were rather indifferent to what was happening to their host country and nation. Some, actually, collaborated with the invaders - Prussia, Russia, & Austria - because their own allegiance was convertible to whom ever was in power because that's what was lucrative for them. When Poland was reborn on November 11, 1918, there was room for Jews in Polish society to be sure and they decided to stay in Poland. Most Jews were successful surgeons, physicians, lawyers, professors, publishers, bankers, accountants, and businessmen, etc. Some were members of Poland's Sejm (parliament) and others were high-ranking military officers, including being advisers to Poland's leader at the time, Marshal Jozef Pilsudski who made overt oppressive anti-Semitism (most often occurring in what is now Ukraine & Belarus) punishable under the law. Jews prospered, but some, such as those who collaborated with the invading Soviets in 1939, took advantage of Poles, especially when it came to loans, buying on credit, and Jewish tavern owners allowed their addicted customers to unwittingly run up the tab and then they charged huge interest rates for the money owed. This is what angered people - the quarrel was economic, not religious.
Despite unsettled business from before the war, there were multitudes of Polish-Jewish friendships/acquaintances. The Polish Armia Krajowa (Home Army) had a law, for the duration of the war, forbidding any szmalcownik (treacherous profiteer) from betraying Jews to the Germans under penalty of death. Yes, there were relatively few anti-Jewish collaborators who sold out their neighbors, but there were, also, Jewish Kapo collaborators in the ghettos and camps and some of those Kapos even persecuted Poles who were internees alongside Jews. Poles, on the other hand, had an underground railroad and safe-haven network under the cryptonym of Zegota which saved tens of thousands of Jews who were more than 10% of the Polish pre-war population and, due to Semitic characteristics (and, often, refusal to shave and wear inconspicuous clothes) difficult to hide, even in rectories, monasteries, and convents. Jews were, also, welcome as members of the Home Army and half the team responsible for the assassination of the SS "Executioner of Warsaw" Franz Kutschera in front of Gestapo Headquarters were of Jewish heritage.
The whole story - much, much morethan I have written - needs to be known, and those virulently anti-Polish Jewish Zionists who paint Polish history with a crude wide brush, using only one color, need to move out of the way and allow for the whole truth about the Holocaust/Polocaust to be taught in the schools. The chief Jewish distortionist in all of this is Elie Wiesel and then others of his ilk.
people born in kenya are not educated on the history of the world
Don,
So you're a "Birther." Why am I not surprised.
Like I said to "dobi" and "John Bayner,": "My suggestion to both of you is to stay in school. And do some traveling to other countries as tourists, you might learn something about the world and the people around you."
don is probably so dumb he would call Seal an african-american.
If I gave him a world map, I doubt he could point Kenya on it.
Sure he could. It's just east of that 57th state.
I'll wager Kenyans are more versed in the history of the world than isolationist Americans.
Hatred for a black president is no different than the NAZI hate for Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, and persons of the slavic ethnicity. We, the people of the United States, will not stand silent when the conservative hate mongers take control of the government and disposses women, Latinos, blacks and liberals of their civil rights, and punish the poor with imprisonment in southern-style workhouses. The current WASP Tea Party may have the same corporate collaboration and support that propelled the NAZI party to power during the Great Depression, and the Tea Party Republicans may try to impose fascism on the American people wrapped in the American flag and phony patriotism, but we, the people, do not believe that the Constitutional government is the problem, just the right-wing incompetence and obstruction to legislation to make government effective is the problem.
This election is a choice between two visions for the future of America: One vision is for continuation of the progressive vision of a balance between equality and freedom as the moral foundation of justice, and a more recent conservative vision of an entitlement due the wealthy and the equivalence of corporations to the rights and protections of natural persons under the Constitution.
A progressive future is one in which government is a custodian of the public trust and advocates for justice; where justice is a balance between equality and freedom. Government as a custodian of the public trust means that everyone plays by the same rules and that everyone is equal before the law. Public trust means the rights of the people to preserve and protect the common property of the United States is not severable to the interests of privatization. Public trust means that a corporation has no rights except those given to it by law and does not have equal standing with a natural born person under the Constitution.
The conservative future is one of a hostile corporate takeover with privatization of government functions. The corporate takeover means that having wealth is an effective barrier to others participating in the process of government. It means that government would no longer serve the interests of the community but collaborate with the wealthy corporate owners to establish a separate set of laws that entitle them to preferential treatment while creating barriers to competition by eliminating opportunities for others.
The tale of two visions is the difference between a government of the people, by the people and for the people, and a government run by a plutocracy of corporate power.
Fool!!!
Yeah, whatever. Time to move on and to steal a very popular refrain used by liberals and democrats in a past election campaign:
"It's the economy stupid!"
These two comments in response to a cogent and coherent comment on the opposing visions for the future of our country are clear demonstrations of the cause of the downfall of the USA as a world power. If myers and deerslayer have their way the US will no longer be the shining example of democracy for the world.
dls you want an American history lesson try looking up the Know-nothing party in American politics. and their friends the KKK. then read the KKK's platform and you will find that Catholics are third after the Blacks and Jews on their list of enemies. And for a long time at the beginning of the last century this country was very happy to discriminate against Catholics and slavs. And I remember being older than you when a US Congressman got up in the House of Representatives. He ranted for quite awhile on the dangers of those Mongoloid East European Papists and the house applauded.So intruth I believe people like you would be happy to discriminate against me. I think your type has just been underground waiting for the chance.
dis:
Very simply and effectively, you have told it as it is. Thank you.
wow... myers really told you...lol
wow dls... i guess myers really told you... lol
Most of us don't hate him because he's black. We would have happily supported Herman Cain had he become the Republican nominee, which obviously would have required he have a better knowledge of foreign affairs. We don't even hate him per se, other than his arrogance. What we really hate are his policies.
dls you sound as though you have just enough collage to presume the value of your own intellect but not enough to realize that wisdom is understanding how little you know.
Excuse me, but the word Slavic, being a proper noun, is capitalized.
WOW dls. About the only thing you didn't call the Republicans is "infidels". You're a little over the top with your sermon and fear mongering there.
Here is just a little information on the holocaust. It's hard to believe that such a madness could have existed but it did. This article is not for the faint of heart but this insanity must never be forgotten.
http://www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/holocaust.html
an observer: Excellent input! But, would like to add a comment. This is not the 1st time but (at least) the 3rd time Obama has tried to "muddy or be-little" the meaning of Holocaust. I believe this is being done on purpose.
Anyone read the Amateur yet? Its #1 bestseller.
It's a book written for Fox news minions who can't think for themselves, better go get a copy before they run out.
Not only that, John, the 'facts' in it have been shown to not actually be facts. But that won't get in the way of the uneducated right wingers who post here.
So much disrespect against the American President and the Polish people being posted here. Some of you people are overreacting to an official, public apology. As if you haven't ever had a public slip of the tongue in your entire life, eh? This is a matter of semantics. Would there be such a racially indignified reaction had President Obama, instead of saying the, 'Polish death camp,' had said, "the death camp filled with Poles"?
Depending on the cultural linguistics, the interpretation of the spoken can vary widely according to what ethnic you belong to, that make the translation from concisely-worded English phrases to your own mother tongue...
Obama supporters should never allow facts or logic to get in the way of supporting their hero.
edmundburkeson, given your remark about facts or logic getting in the way, it raises the legitimate question: Who do YOU support, and WHY?
Like you have such a profound comments history.
The Poles are being way too sensitive on the verge of ridiculous. The USA was not and is not the enemy, unless of course you align yourself with the Nazis. Get a grip, polish people. Perhaps it is a language-barrier misunderstanding because it doesnt make sense for them to be directing so much anger at Obama over this. It makes one wonder what is behind it.
You obviously are a child. At the time the congressman was ranting about the dangers of the Mongoloid East European Papist the Secreatary of State was Polish.
if you mean Albright, she's Czech.
No, the Dems are the enemy
rcsdinthehills: Nobody among Poles is being ridiculous because the question is about the precision of language for posterity's sake. If an imprecise phrase is repeated, soon it becomes truth for the next generation who will unwittingly call it history, ignorant of the fact that their knowledge is actually twistory - twisted history. Language carries weight, for none of us will be alive in the future to answer or explain the stupid, all too often appearing phrase, especially in speech: "Do you know what I mean?". Mean what you say, or write, and no one will ever need to guess. A feeling of certainty is a good one because one knows, even after generations have passed, that due to precise language, one is in touch with the truth of the time period in question.
Obama obviously spends too much time with "foot in mouth" Joe Biden.
You mean Biden the Dan Quayle of the Dems
I think Obama and Biden have been spending too much time together or their speech writers are the same. I don't think he's sorry, just sorry it blew up in his face. Lord deliver us from this yutz come election day.
annpearson:
And of course, you would know this. And I'm sure the Lord will listen and respond appropriately to your request for delivery as you call one of his own a disrespectful name. Silly girl!
carolyn ------ Isn't calling someone " Silly " , disrespectful? Better watch out you may be judged by the standards you use to judge others.
Anything to get a vote, typical politician talking out both sides of his mouth!
It is really too bad that we only have to choose from politicians and not have any statesman in the pool of choice. There is such a difference.
Translate what the president said in his apology. Gee I'm sorry I didn't think anybody would mind. Southside Chicago people call them Polacks all the time.
Me thinks you have a H... O. for the folks in Southside Chicago, lonereb..Poor lonereb. That must be a heavy load of hatred you carry for those groups. It will eat you alive. Dump it and get on with your life; lighten your load.
When it comes to misstatement, Obiden is the champ. They should have him rehearse a few for his upcoming speeches to take the attention away from the chief of misstatement - President Pre-67 Borders himself.
Obama did NOT apologize.
His quote was:
Anyone who has ever had to give a business apology knows to write or say I/we regret. In this was no liability or any admission of guilt is assumed.
It is a back handed way of telling to you shove it up your rear end. If you've ever received an apology letter from a business then you know were of I speak.
Obama surely is a sorry excuse for ......
However he is a champion teleprompter reader. The speech Obama gave was written, reviewed, approved and delivered just the way he and his handlers intended him to do so. Biden is a dimwit so one sometimes just has to laugh at his gaffs, he doesn't have enough intelligence to be counted on to follow instructions. Obama on the other hand is a well trained puppet he only does what he has been instructed to do and reads exactly what he has been instructed to read.
Definition of REGRET
transitive verb
1
a : to mourn the loss or death of b : to miss very much
2
: to be very sorry for <regrets his mistakes>
And as far as the teleprompter goes, are you kidding me? I thought you didn't want Bush brought up?
administrators wife
I regret your ignorance; however it's not my fault.
Regret never assumes the burden of responsibility, legally or otherwise. That is why businesses and politicians use the term.
One never says I apologize that your family member or friend died unless they are assuming guilt; they regret they died.
To say "I regret my mistake" is a wimp idiots way of saying "Oops, but it's not my fault, too bad so sad"
Either purchase a worthful dictionary or don't attempt to interject your own ignorance into the one you have.
Obama has had many opportunities to stand up and be a man; taking responsibility for his own words, actions and leadership.
However, that never seems to be the case with him. Obama can, does and will find fault with everyone else, Bush, Congress, Republican, Democrats the United States as a nation and will apologize to anyone and everyone including foreign terrorists for everyone else but himself.
Exactly when if ever will this little girl stand up and take responsibility for his own actions, words and leadership.
Sadly the answer is probably never. He's a tool not leader. I'm an old Marine Sergeant, if he was my 1st Lue, I'd just say, sweetheart you just stay right here and we'll come and get you when it's over, it's safer for all of us that way.
Holy LMAO!!
John - "Worthful" ISN'T a word. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA! Using a made up word in the same sentence with the word dictionary is the DEFINITION of irony. Hahahahahahaha!!
FYI -He said he regrets his error. By stating he made an error he is assuming responsibility.
Your post is just idiotic. Have you ever heard the president speak extemporaneously?? I have. He's great.
Sammy
Buy a dictionary you moron or just Google it.
Sammy
It's because of ignorant morons such as yourself that there is a traitor in the White House; who has violated the US Constitution on numerous occasions, ordering execution of a US citizen without due process, declaring an Executive Order were the President can assume control of any business if he so fits, accepting and passing a law which allows the military to detain (i.e. imprison) any citizen the government or it's representatives desire without having to divulge the reason for imprisonment.
You are too incompetent and ignorant to be trusted with a vote.
I love it, you Obummer lovers are going to his defense and saying he didn't mean it. If Mitt Romney did it, you'd be attacking him for the rest of his life. Get real.. (And PS, I am not a Republican, I am a Libertarian).
If someone recognizes and apologises for their error, I forget about it right away, no matter whose side they're on. If they try to tell me that they were right all along (Paul Revere story, coughcoughcough), that's when I start my eye-rolling.
rerere.
Your remarks and the wording you chose risks making other fine Libertarians appear like malicious, adolescent morons. Please prove to us that you're not.
Currently, you sound like a Tea Party, high school drop-out, a right-wing troll. Are you?
I graduated High School and do not support the right in any way. I think someone is offended I made fun of their God...
Ron Paul 2012
I think he should be Mexico's first black president too!
@rerere - I love it, you tea-bagger lovers thinking plastic retarded Romney is not going to screw up.
Bring on the debates so I can watch Romney go deer in headlights on a whole range of issues. He doesn't belong running for the White house because he is literally stupid. If someone didn't tell him what to say he would say nothing.
Obama 2012!!!
RON PAUL 2012
At least Obama knows how to apologize. I don't see monkey-boy Bush apologizing for destroying the economy and causing the death of 3 thousand American soldiers.
And beleive me, thats all he knows to do is Apologize! Its called a poor excuse.
Bush dont owe us an apology for the start of the wars it isnt his fault dictators in forgien countries want to run over other small countries. and if any of you remember the Twin towers didnt blow up on their own those in iraq and Afganistan attacked them just as the Japenese did Pearl Harbor on Dec 7 1941 back then our citizens had patriotism to volenter or stand behind our fighting men unlike you cowards that keep putting them down
So well said Dean2082. Really. You told us. Er sumthin. *rolls eyes*
PS- Most of us who don't back the warS that President Bush started, support the TROOPS 100%. We stand behind our fighting men AND women who serve our country. But we do not blame President Obama for every wrong the he hasn't been able to fix in four years.
You can keep blaming Bush for whatever you like--but you can't blame him for sending planes into the Twin Towers, the Pentagon, and a field in Pennsylvania. What would you be saying about him had he DONE NOTHING AFTER THE LOSS OF ALL THE INNOCENT AMERICANS???? By blaming Bush for sending troops into the Middle East and saying it was for NOTHING, you are essentially spitting on the lives of those people lost on 9/11. I pity all you who have already forgotten those Americans.
Dean and Marge, I am surprised that anyone still links the 9/11 attacks to the countries of Iraq and Afghanistan. The attacks were planned and carried out by a terrorist group called Al-Qaida. The group, comprised of radicals from many countries was not even allowed to operate in Iraq untill after we took out Saddam Hussein. The majority of the attackers were from Egypt (a powerful U.S. ally), and Saudi Arabia, (another powerful ally whose leaders were on friendly, and I mean hugging and kissing friendly, terms with the Bush family due to their overlapping oil interests.) We did not go to war with Egypt or Saudi Arabia but, with Iraq who needed to be changed, true, and Afghanistan whose only real crime was, being the country that Bin laden was living in. I have no political agenda with this comment, I am tired of both sides of the aisle but, come on, facts are facts and, repeating old lies and misinformation hoping to make them true is so last decade.
I am sure he's sorry,what a joke,he should be sorry for destroying this country,america is no longer the america i used to know,all these bleeding liberals in this country suck.we can not even take care of people that servered in our wars to keep this country free,or older people that worked all our lives,if we worry more about this country then butting in other countrys affairs and giving my tax dollars to those countrys that could care less about us.we all should stand up to these morons that destroy the coiuntry god bless america
"Bleeding liberals"? Of all the fevered rants I've seen on this site, yours may be the dumbest. At least half of the founders of this great nation were people you would consider "liberals." At least half of the people presently living, voting, and trying to stay alive in this great nation are people you would consider "liberals." And if you ever removed your head from your a** long enough to read the Sermon on the Mount (you know: all that stuff about forgiving, about feeding the hungry, about visiting the imprisoned), you would probably consider the founder of Christianity to be a "bleeding liberal" -- literally, in His case. You need to read more, you need to think more, you need to turn off Rush, and most of all you need to lose your hatred of people whose point of view you don't share.
Not sure why anyone is blaming obama for this since I am sure bush put the words on his mouth and forced him to say it against his well.
Wilmer
Oh how easy it is for the addled of mind to say Christ is all about LOOOOVE and how we should all give and give and give. Unless of course they are the ones who have to give. It is better to receive than give right?
The word WORK is translationed 420 times in the Bible / 70 times in the New Testament.
And how easy it is for Liberals to just forget for convenience; as long as it's someone else they can take from:
I'm not one to say we should not be compassionate and help each other; but if one is going to sit on their rear end and wallow in self pity. Go a head and starve if your that stupid, one less mouth, more for the others, who are willing to work.
John93921 said:
"...if your that stupid..."
John, are you acquainted with the concept of irony?
mebbe read Abraham Kajzer "Za Drutami Smierci" (or would that be too foreign?)