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Mark Blinch / Reuters
People stand outside the Toronto Eaton Centre shopping mall on Saturday after the shooting.
One person was killed and seven others were injured Saturday evening at a shopping mall shooting in the heart of downtown Toronto, officials said.
Toronto police Constable Victor Kwong said an interior search of the two-block-long mall ended with the shooter still at-large, CP24 television reported.
One victim, a 25-year-old man, was pronounced dead at the scene; two victims, a man in his 20s and a 13-year-old boy, were in critical condition, Kwong said. Two women and a man were seriously wounded and one woman was grazed by a bullet.
A 30-year-old pregnant woman injured during the rush out of the mall went into labor, CP24 reported.
Police Chief Bill Blair said at a news conference that bystanders hit by gunfire were in the "general vicinity" of a targeted victim, CP24 reported. The 13-year-old boy was a "totally innocent bystander," he said.
Police, firefighters and paramedics swarmed Eaton Centre after reports emerged of a shooting at 6:23 p.m. near the food court, CTV television reported.
Video from the scene showed paramedics attending to what appeared to be a victim inside the mall. Paramedics were also seen rushing a male on a stretcher into an ambulance.
The 280-store mall was shut and evacuated, CTV reported.
Police sealed off several surrounding intersections.
Photos from the scene showed shoppers flooding out of the mall into the downtown streets, which are among the busiest in Canada's largest city.
Blue Jays player sprints away as shots fired
CP24 television reporter Jackie Crandles said she heard police and security "running around the mall yelling at people to get out of the mall, that the shooter was still inside, and that unless they wanted to get shot, they should leave."
Toronto Blue Jays third baseman Brett Lawrie tweeted that he was "pretty sure someone just let off a round (of) bullets in eaton center mall" and that he "just sprinted out of the mall."
Ujjawal Patel, 28, told The Globe and Mail newspaper he was inside the Eaton Centre when he heard 12 to 15 shots ring out. He quickly fled, he said.
"I was so scared," Patel told the newspaper. "If it can happen in the Eaton Centre, it can happen anywhere."
Marcus Neves-Polonio, a 19-year-old food court busser, told The Globe and Mail he was walking when a man started firing near the Big Smoke Burger.
Neves-Polonio said he saw one person shot in the chest and two people on the ground. He ducked under a table.
"I just hoped he wouldn't go in my direction," he told the newspaper.
Toronto Mayor Rob Ford visited the scene and offered condolences to shooting victims and their families and vowed to support victims and police, CTV reported.
"This incident is absolutely terrible," Ford said, according to CP24. "We want to apprehend the shooter as fast as possible."
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If only someone there would have had a gun. RIP
Canada has no desire to own or to 'carry' like the US does. Some of my Canadian friends now refuse to travel to the US saying it's gotten out of control in the US. That far too many people have lost their minds stock piling weapons.
So your idea that they should 'carry' - their idea is the US is freaking over the top nuts.
Dialing 911 didn't help those people did it. I carry a concealed and would use under such a circumstance. It's me or him!
Tony, unless he would have shot you first. Then he could have taken your gun and shoved it up your behind.
At least I would have had a chance. What chance did the wounded and the dead have, idiot!!!
Yeah, people are running around in fear and panic after some maniac starts shooting in a place no one would expect it, and throwing some more guns in the mix would have helped things. There was such panic people were trampling each other but hey, why not throw some bullets in the mix.
So people like you cowardly curl up in some corner in the fetal position hoping and begging the shooter won't you, all the while dialing 911 for help. Nice plan!
Yea Sam, then they could trample some bullets too.
Yea Tony - It's usually the 'big talkers' that truly can't do diddle. The majority that 'carry', I feel less safe around them as until you are in a situation - you can talk big but when it comes to 'being there', most have no opportunity to do what they say they would being far too many people around, others in the way like at this mall -- there were tens of thousands of people in the mall and far to many issues at play that the 'carriers' if it was allowed in Canada -- would have been able to do nothing or if they did, there would be more dead and injured.
meede, "tens of thousands of people in the mall".... is that using liberal math like "medical care for all for nothing or very little cost"... you're so full of sh1t.
I was shot by a stranger in the street in front of a fraternity house during a...'violent altercation' in Chattanooga, TN in 1980. You could probably look it up on the internets if you doubt my honesty. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that more guns in that situation(including if the "good guys" had them) would have made the situation a whole lot worse, despite what movie fantasy some may have in their fraidy cat little minds. To this day I do not feel the need to carry a hand gun. On high alert is no way to live. Stuff happens.
To HELL with the concealed pistol! I carry a RPG, loaded, over the shoulder..... when I shop!
Meede1:
Again you're making a total fool of yourself but it's not your fault, it's a liberal sickness!
FYI...I spent 12-years in the military (infantry) and 13-months in a combat. I also spent 19-years as a NYS State Trooper. I think that would qualify me to carry and rationally deploy the use of a firearm.
And what chance did those people that were wounded or killed have? Zero, nada!!! I bet their families and friends wished they were armed for at least they could have had a chance. BTW - dialing 911 didn't help them, did it?
I see the story brought out the Baggers. Not wasting any more of my time with stunned & stupids. Sad -- You can't fix stupid especially in the U.S.
heynow -- some like myself are education. What were you -- home schooled? Duhhhhh
A 19-yr veteran of the state police who has such repeated sneering contempt for "dialing 911". Interesting. As a police officer you think everybody should just be whipping out their pieces and firing away, huh? And I'm sure you would have no problem entering this live fire situation with not one but...three or four people shooting at who knows what?
Sam:
In my 19 years, I've seen many people killed needlessly waiting for help, especially in rural areas. Unless you've lived it, may I suggest you put a liberal sock in it?
And all these dead people you've "seen" were found curled up in the fetal position with the phone in their hand no doubt. In "rural areas"? Hmm. I grew up in upstate NY and the people I knew in "rural areas" had firearms. I've "lived it" and been around the block enough to know I'm damned glad you weren't a cop in my neck of the woods, sport. You sound like you were one with a real bad attitude. "Put a liberal sock in it"? Christ.
Apparantly Sam, you cannot handle the truth and reality of it. You are most likely one those that believe every American should be disarmed and trust in the police to protect you. I pity gutless you! And BTW - I am a decorated trooper that has put myself in harm's way on many occasions trying to protect innocent people. I don't need your approval or gratitude on how well I did my job...my record speaks for itself. Now go back to your comfy seat and start writing on your pc some more nonsense.
I doubt you were a cop, no less a good one. You call too many names and jump to too many quick conclusions. Try for dismissive and condescending all you want, but I think you are the one who is the expert on "writing on your pc some more nonsense". Anyway, you were almost amusing for a few minutes. Thanks and good night, 'officer'.
thenew110 & meede1
Canadians has just as many guns per person as America does. That tells you something about our crime ridden country!!!
I'll bet because they aren't right on the border of Mexico, where drug cartels and gangs make their way up thru California,AZ,Texa with our practically open borders. I'll also bet gan violence isn't promoted as much thru the media,movies,violent video games,etc as it is here. Gang Rap is big here in the states, probably not so much in Canada, I would think! Just wonderin!
Tony, I think you spent 19 years in a lunatic asylum. You need to self-disarm before someone gets hurt.
The solution to gun crime is fewer guns, not more. Should the thirteen year old who was wounded have been "packin'"?
Many people heard the shots but few saw where they were coming from. Should they have pulled out their iron and started firing anyway, maybe in the general direction of the shots they heard?
Anyone starting a gun battle inside a packed mall is a total dumb ass; every cop on earth would know that. You can only get at the guy if he stays inside while everybody flees and you're able to corner him (obviously, that's not what he would usually do, but that's what happened during the Concordia University Shooting in Montreal).
Eaton Center is the mall with the highest attendance in Canada and people would be running in every direction. By the time you got your bearings about what was going on, got gun out, identified the shooter through the crowd, the guy would have time to empty is whole clip and started running (which is what he did).
Even in the US where guns are rampant, how many times a mass shooting has been stopped.. The number is pretty close to zero.
@Nungman:
Yeah..that is the way all armed people act ..that is why there are courses to pass and safety classes not to say instructors and of course many ranges and ammo still for one to practice...no offence to any officer out there but does any one here has heard of the police chief that was "laid off" his job because he failed his regular weapon qualification?
I learned long ago to trust my security to my wits more and foremost, not to rely on any one's protection but my own; after all God in the Bible says it very clear: look after yourself and i will look after you
I am 5'1 in height not too much muscles at all and carry a .45 that i shoot very well in "normal conditions"..yes i know under stress is a different story but it is our preparedness that put some sense into ANY law abiding firearm owner to know better not to start "shooting away" in a situation like this; I, we all pray real hard not to come across a shooter that just lost it anywhere as it is a very difficult situation to handle, granted, but IF the shooter comes my way, and i can see him for 1 second, the next will be him lying in the floor, not me or any more innocents. I am no hero nor i dream to be one, nor I want to in a million years; I consider myself very pacific person; if trouble start to open up my way; I always, always have walked the other way; but if trouble reach me and i can't walk away, I am glad to have my tool with me, and i am glad and blessed in knowing and being myself prepared in how to use it..now i might be many things but I am not an untrained "fire away gun toting idiot" like you sir want to portray some of us or all in your extreme-liberal-radical-filled post; i do not think Tony is in that category either and i do not think he lies just to get his post "cool"
Criminals EVERYWHERE in the world will never respect any laws at all and disarming otherwise capable citizens that can, in ultimate especial circumstances aid law enforcement and save lives, is, at best in the worst interest of those standing by. A standing by person in a sudden shooting spree, will most likely be hit by the perp's bullets than by those fired by a law abiding WELL PREPARED and TRAINED civilian. I know how to shoot and how to shoot well sir; My idea of gun control is 3 very well placed shots in a blink of an eye and I can assure you I shoot way better than many officer out there; no offense again to any; I am able to do it because i do practice regularly, sir.
The solution to gun crime is more educated and trained armed citizens (you seems not to qualify, what a shame) and srtric thougher and enforced gun laws against those who break them and are caught!! Fewer guns will make a heaven territory for police state and tirany settlements, not to mention a criminal's paradise everywhere.
13 years old is too young to carry a gun legally, if a 13 years old is "packing" he is no longer a 13 years old; he is a very dangerous threat.
One more thing; I have spent about 19 years also in a lunatic asylum; it is called the US ! just to prove it, read your posts again !!
You liberals out there can't stand a different opinion and can't stand true and reason; the world is the way it is and not the way liberals want it to be; liberalism does not work; never worked and will never work; get over it and stop trying to shove your ill-willed agendas up peoples ar$e$ !!
Liberals pushing their never-work agendas would be stupid if they had a brain !!
@Keira:
you are right about the first part of your post; it would be madness to put down a shooter in a crowded place with all chaos and everyone running everywhere; ONLY can be done if you got clear sight and he comes your way and if you are armed and if you got your cools with you (training helps some degree) If it is not safe to shoot of course it would be dumb; that is why there are laws in place to try not to put guns in dumb's people's hands; the problem with liberals is they claim there are not enough laws..
For the las part of your post in the US when shooting sprees has happenned USUALLY is in places where WE are not allowed by LAW to carry; DUHHH !!!! law that WE respected and the shooter did not respect; WHY? because obviously those laws just do not work and prove a shooting can happens everywhere; further more if a person that lost it will think just a little, will choose a place he or she knows weapons are not allowed; schools, universities, crowded places..etc etc etc...rings a bell? as long as we got our smarts liberals friends trying to save all of us from doom pushing and passing more restrictive laws like those shooting sprees such as the one seen in the Canadian Mall will keep happenning unfortunatelly here and everywhere...the gun laws are the game and gun owners are the players; hate the game, not the player.
MAN O MAN that tony sure is a real smart fellow he must know every thing. He probably knows that the US spends 17% of it's gnp on health care, more than any other country in the world with less coverage. You go cowboy!
@meede1
Wow... just wow...
You are education? WTF? Sorry, but if your grammar here is any indication, I don't think you have any right to be criticizing anyone else's education, dear. As for you and Tony turning this into a partisan pissing match-- can it. I know, I know: it's an election year. But most people with an actual, functioning intelligence recognize the partisan nature of American politics for what it is: a crock of sh*t to keep the voting public distracted and "engaged" in the political process. Having a team to root for is fun, but when you look at the actions of those in charge, there is not a whole lot of difference between right & left these days. Both are expanding government, swelling the debt & deficit and sh*tting on the American public. So can it. Both of you.
Rocky you are 5'1" but with a pistol in hand you are 6'4". You evidently have a lot of anger which you will if not stopped take out on your family if any or yourself.
PS: I am trying to picture without laughing how someone 5'1" carries a .45. On your ankle?
So you are saying everyone that carries have a lot of anger and we are all bound to hurt our family if not stopped? Who are going to stop us the liberals like you with your ridicoulous agendas? i most remind you the hunters that live in two states of the country, combined, are larger number than the larger army of the world..there are 80 millions of people that think just like me or i think just like then out there..how will you stop us? trampling and pissing on the constitution even more? voiding it? changing it? brainwashing our kids in school?
So all of us that think like me are angry? ( and our family ni danger!!)
I carry a gun to protect myself and my family from criminals and hardcore left wind like yourself, if you decide and try to "stop" me from carrying, but i know you are smarter than that and we both know it is you who can't control your anger seeing you can't make me think like you.
I carry and some others too..I fell happy with my decision and also with your decision on not to exercise your rights..that is far from being anger..your post reads anger all over because you know I do exercise my rights which you can't stop from happening with your BSs
PS: Carrying a .45 concealed is very well accomplished using a Maxtuck White Hat Holster; google it so you learn something instead of spilling your hatre without bases.
The only time i got my pistol in hand is when i target shoot for practice and for fun; oh yes, it is a lot of fun and it does relieves some stress; wonderful entertainment that we Americans are blessed to enjoy; you should try it some time maybe will help you to put a patch to that hole in your brain !
Why, we is going to stop you, Rockhead, and after we stops you we is going to send you to schoo'. I thinks you didn' git pass third grade.
Angry and ig'nant. Dangerous mixture.
P.S., Maybe you also are five foot wide. When you go for your "piece", all you'll come up with is a handful of fat!
how is that anger working for you nungman; you would need to be a man first to stop me or any of us; you need to grow nuts first or whatever else in case you are female before you grow them you need to learn what they are.
I am an engineer FYI; I can tell by the way you spell how much schooling you got under your belt; not talking about the common mispelled word here and there, no, mispelled brain as a whole.
these post should have iQ tests to qualify people from posting here; lower iQ folks as yourself should never be here; lol; and the personal insults you are trying; good luck with that one bud as it would take an army of idiots like you to even get me started
Keep pissing in the constitution; you have the right to do that too and pray for the Lord to find a way for Brains be sold at Walmart on especial; you really need one lol
Nungman: Angry and ig'nant (and stupid extreme left liberal crappo) WAY more dangerous mixture !!
LMFAO @ Nungman !!!
SamBrown,
You just negated your own point. You said "Frat house in Chatanooga" I suppose there was copious amounts of Alcohol, Pot and no telling what else and I have to agree with you, more guns would have been very bad indeed.
However, read the news where people are being attacked wholesale worldwide. I truly hope you are never in a situation where you will not need to look back and say, If only I had been armed...
Any idiot knows that stupid does not mix well with drugs and alcohol. Frat houses were built on Stupid.
That should be to be sold on special not "especial".
You found the spel-chek button and still your English is substandard. Not your first language? Perhaps you are an immigrant to this country and that's OK--as long as you're here legally.
Many immigrant men when they arrive here are astonished by the free availability of firearms in some of our States, so different from the laws in their native country. They become enthusiastic about their "Second Amendment Rights" and buy handguns by the dozen as soon as their status allows them to, keeping at least one in the bedroom "for protection".
If that's you, make sure you and the wife are on friendly terms. There have been many tragedies where husbands are shot dead because the wife "thought he was a burglar".
Comment # 1 deleted, huge derail which led to many personal attacks.
IT SEEMS Canada is having the same type of problems we have in the USA. my thoughts and prayers go out to all the families and friends of the victims, This is a horrific thing to happen to anyone any where.
AGREED. Also it's sad to see the first page of comments on this story is mostly about guns and the Canadian govt view on them instead of any thoughts for the victims or their families. Shows what a pathetic state of affairs everyone's heart must be in these days.
Thank you Rhea. The Canadian officials are more interested in downplaying the horrific violence of just this past week alone than giving two you-know-whats about the victims. They're so busy trying to do damage control and continuing to shove their squeaky clean image down everyone's throats <rolls eyes> to remind the world how "friendly" they are, they could care less who is dead. I get firsthand news here, as I unfortunately live here.
Truth is, they are NOT friendly as they say, and their police forces and government have NO control over the horrific violence that plagues Toronto alone.
Duh, the guns may have come from the U.S. (easier to smuggle in a car than by plane, right into a country that shares a border, right?), but I guarantee, those guns have come from all over the world. Oh, and next time you come into Canada? Unless you have a blue cloud of weed smoke coming out your window, they won't even check your I.D., much less check your car.
Way to go Canada. You've got all the answers, eh?
truthwillsetufreee - Based on your comments, you really seem to dislike Canada. Have you considered leaving the country if it is so terrible in your opinion?
This is what happens when State sanctioned gun control laws are in place. The NRA version of Gun Control is simply being trained enough to hit whatever you aim at. That is the difference between responsible citizens using a gun and a criminal. Between a trained grandma and a street thug, Grandma will shoot his n-ts off. I guess in Canada, only the criminals have guns.
Part of the problem with Canada is that the men have been castrated by their own liberal policies. I read a comment earlier where some of Her Canadian "friends" did not want to come to America. Well the ignorant people who believe in stereo types need to stay at home anyway.
truthwillsetyoufree I live rite by Canada (Windsor) and they ask for my passport every time I go there. There has never been one time that they just waived me through.
I thought guns were illegal in Canada? Guess anybody with one is fair game then as they are clearly a criminal for having it in the first place.
Guns aren't illegal in Canada, m-612920. Anyone can own a long gun and you can get a license to own a handgun as well. What we don't have is carry laws (open or concealed), as guns have to be unloaded and locked up when you transport them anywhere.
Tyler is right. I own guns and live in Canada near Toronto. BTW - You can openly carry "unrestricted" guns on farm land or certain public land away from cities. Unrestricted guns include most semi-automatic rifles, including badass guns like the Tar-21 Tavor.
I've noticed on liberal sites like MSNBC people seem to always believe guns are illegal in Canada or that our health care system is some magical solution that covers every need. Our health care system doesn't cover optometry, dental work, or prescriptions. People have to pay their own way, as they should. We're also seeing an increase in private sector involvement in health care... This has already helped reduce wait times and delays with getting diagnostic work like scans and blood tests.
And the most conservative state? Dependent on federal gov't handouts (unlike California) and dead last in test scores.
Guns are not illegal in Canada. Adjusted for population, there are more guns in Canada than the US.
What is interesting is that Toronto has the same demographic as Seattle. While guns are not illegal, gun control is more stringent. In contrast to Seattle, Toronto has a tiny fraction of death by guns. In fact, during the 2000 study, the rare percentage of deaths by guns in Canada (2) were from Americans that crossed the boarder and killed a Canadian liquor store owner.
Tyler R.
However you are not allowed to use your guns to defend yourself (against a human being). And many guns are illegal too (unless you have a special permit), especially the revolver type. If I'm not mistaken, you can't even carry a stun gun nor a taser, not even pepper stray.
Why all those who don't like guns go and live in Canada then? Sounds to me like the perfect place to be if would hate them so much!! I am sure Canadians will welcome all with open arms; I know some Canadians and they are all friendly people.
You must not know many rockaddict. Friendly? hahahahahahaha
@truth
Well i meant the ones i know, I don't see any attitude problems more than what i see in many of my countryman but hey !! what do i know, lol after all i have never been there and although it is a beautiful place to visit, I do not feel the urge seeing how well the Canadian authorities protected those poor souls at the Mall !. Nope, don't know many, lol
I'm just sick of how violent our country (USA) has become! What is it? Drugs? Alcohol? Cushy jails? No one seems to be scared of doing anything unlawful and no one has respect for their fellow man.
Honestly, does anyone have a clue what can be done?
Umm, last time I checked Toronto is in Ontario Canada. We have yet to annex that sovereign nation....
In the UK it is almost impossible for the average person to have a gun. Usually the ones that do, have to keep them at a shooting club, locked away. These restrictions/Laws have been in effect for almost 2 decades...
The UK during 2008 was one of the most VIOLENT countries in the World. According to the EU and UN violent crime states... see http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html
JG-895068, The solution; Stop building nice jails and start using Mexican type jails. No tv's, recreation, weight rooms, bare necessities only, etc. to start with. Next, reinstate the death penalty. To those who say it is not a deterrent, the executed criminal will not be a repeat offender. Executions should be done in the same manner as the criminal killed his/her victim.
But all the Liberals who coddle criminals would say that is cruel and unusual punishment, Just look how they fret over Terrorists in Guantanamo?
Citizen:
You took the words right out of my mouth! :)
@JG-895068...
Yes.. Everyone should be compelled to attend moral class 101 right after high school then attend updates every year there after. We've lost our respect for others as we demand they respect us. And it all narrows down to money.. It has been pounded in our heads that without riches we are no longer human.. Why else would we over look our politicians gaining office in accordance to how much money they can spend. The symbol of all evil has got a foot hold on us all and we're too stupid to recognize it.. The golden goose has cooked us all and the only answer in our putrid gourds is to be more than willing to spray everybody with lead.
Yes there is an answer: make all prisoners get up at 5:00 every morning, eat eggs bologna and gravy for breakfast lunch and dinner, make them dig ditches all day long, no workout rooms, no t.v. no steak, no snacks, no money on their books, and the only book to read should be the bible. I guarantee you the jails will be less full!
Need to enforce the death penalty, may deter some from actually killing someone! Hey, it just might work!
JG... "I'm just sick of how violent our country (USA) has become! What is it? Drugs? Alcohol? Cushy jails? No one seems to be scared of doing anything unlawful and no one has respect for their fellow man. Honestly, does anyone have a clue what can be done?"
Much of the crime is committed by the poor and uneducated... we need to "educate" kids from a very young age in this country. And that is not just the simple ABC's and 123's. We are graduating a bunch of idiots that can barely read and write because schools will get in trouble if they hold these kids back. We need to pay teachers so we get good quality teachers.
Teachers need to be "required" to make certain a child succeeds if it means study clinics in the schools for the kids who need extra help. Teacher's salaries need to be tied to their success as teachers. We need to invest in our children! If these kids graduate and have no chance of making it in this world, where do they go and what do they do?? Education needs to be a "priority" in this country. But education seems to be one of the first places our politicians cut funding when we need to cut funding. If they spent more there, they could probably spend less on welfare programs!!!
We should not graduate a child who cannot read and write properly. We need more affordable technical schools for kids who cannot afford to go to college or who aspire to work with their hands... heck, plumbers and electricians and brick masons make good money!! Higher education needs to be more affordable and accessible. And they need to bring the jobs back to this country so our graduates can have a job!
We need to "teach" morality in our schools and we need to "enforce" it. Parents are simply not parenting these days. It takes both parents working today to make a living so kids are raising themselves with the company of other non-supervised kids watching "unsupervised" tv and have access to "unsupervised" internet browsing. Nobody is around at home to make sure the homework is done and when mom and dad get home, there is so much to do to get ready for the next business day that nobody spends any time with the kids and their homework. Parents have no clue what their kids are doing. What do you expect of kids who have absolutely no guidance as they are growing up?
We need to stop this lifetime of welfare for some families. We need to have a time limit for welfare programs. And if you are on welfare and have another kid, you shouldn't get any additional welfare payments. Spend that welfare money on education so less people will be on welfare.
We have lost the whole concept of family values in this country. And when the "family" disintegrated, so did the country.
I could really get on my soapbox about this subject because I have thought long and hard about it. We lived in Asia for 9 years with my husband's job... I was so comfortable living there. The most I ever worried about was a pick pocket. And I knew a pick pocket would not have a gun over there. This country has gone to hell in a handbasket... the system is broke. I wish our government would recognize this and get down to basics on how to fix it. That is what a political party who cares about this country would be doing. Unfortunately, we don't have a political party that cares about "America." They care about their party and getting re-elected.
Boy oh boy, you got that right when you stated "when the "family" disintegrated, so did the country" It didn't happen immediately, but it has been coming on slowly every year that these "latch key" kids are growing up. For the most part, people have become self-centered, greedy, lazy and irresponsible. And manners as well as respect have flown the coop.
I am truly amazed and show gratitude when a person shows respect by opening a door or such for an older person or is just mannerly to other people. But it is usually followed up by some arrogant butt that thinks their time and life is so much more important than any other person.
Family values (that teach respect) is a hard find. And on any given Sunday, I see kids running the streets when they could easily have been in Sunday School "learning" a valuable lesson.
with any luck they were liberals
They were probably eating a meal before coming to the USA to vote illegally, we have to stop the Canadians now
With any luck it would have been you.
What an awesome example of conservatism in action. One person dead, seven injured (including a thirteen year old), and all you can do is hope they were your political opponents.
Thanks Tyler, but cut chris some slack. All the pent up gay sexual tension, oh I mean "anger at the democrats" would cause anyone to wish harm to other humans. That is of course if people would get over their intolerance and treat everyone the way they want to be treated. But we only teach our children that, it has no place in civilized society.
Don't you mean Robert? He's the one who would like his political opponents killed. I'm simply saying that anyone who wishes that should be the "lucky one".
I can't speak for wetazn, but I was referring to Robert with my comment, just to be clear
I still dont think you should wish anyone harm, even if you disagree with them.
You mean like liberals hoping repubs would die and such other disgusting remarks?
no one should want anyone to die just for something they said, no matter what their politcal views are. I was glad when we killed bin ladden, but seriously we are all Americans and in this together, if we keep acting like children we will never get anywhere. How old are you people?
This is what happens when the government restricts ownership of firearms for self-defense. If even a few of the shoppers were armed, the mall would be a peaceful, idyllic enclave, just like south LA's ganglands, Mexico City's drug districts, and Afghanistan's Taliban warzones.
I know really. I met a guy today that said the reason the Japanese didn't invade the American mainland in WWII was because of all the armed NRA members............guess Bin Laden didn't get the chain letter.
The quote is: "You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."
It has been arguably attributed to Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto
Bin Laden invaded us? I thought he was shot.... with a gun.
Give me a break. Self defense will not help you if the guy starts shooting first in the middle of a dense crowd and empties his clip right into you...
Self defense can help you when your in defensive position (like at home).
I've been in the middle of a shooting (Polytechnique Massacre in Montreal where 14 died) and believe me, when things like this happens, your first instinct is to get the hell away from the madmen carrying a gun, which your not sure where he is and what he looks like or what kind of gun (or guns) he's carrying!
Guns are good if you know who your going after (one vs many attackers) and what weapons he has and are in a good defensive position.
@optimist:
love your sense of humor; you got a future
Keira,
There are many kinds of crazy. This person sounds like someone that has rarely every even had a gun in their hands before, much less fire it. He sounds like some videogamer gone crazy but since he was not caught, he might decide to enjoy it. A soldier, for example who has seen the horrors of war probably would not do something like this unless they were off their rocker. Then you have the drug induced psychosis where reality and morals are left behind. Someone who meant to make or send some sort of political message would have been more deliberate. Some Gangbanger hoodie gangster might try a random shooting for making his bones, but this does not sound like it either.
My point is that there are many different kinds of people out there who react differently to situations than others might. Like the man said on flight 51, "Lets Roll". A random shooter in a mall is taking a very high risk in not knowing how the bystanders would react. Many people like myself are trained to react to situations like that and being shot at is not a new experience.
The witness was correct when he said if it could happen at the Eaton Centre it could happen anywhere. I hope they catch this guy soon.
Guns don't kill people, Canadians kill people. ;-)
How could this happen ?!?!?! Canada has strict gun control laws.
Just like Chicago, IL...
1. 31May2012, Chicago has seen 169 murders a 54% spike in the city's murder rate compared to the same period last year. Most of the murders in Chicago are gun related...
2. In fact, according to the Department of Defense and FBI data, the number of Chicagoans murdered is two and a half times the number of U.S. soldiers killed in Afghanistan since 2001.
Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/chicago/2012/05/31/chicagos-murder-rate-mirrors-war-zone-federal-data-shows#ixzz1whAwIutD
Betcha the gun was made in USA.
Be careful & diligent Canada--you don't want to become the gun-gory video game that the streets of American have become.
How is the 13 yr. old boy?
How is the woman who went into labor & baby?
John Smith,
Take a stroll in beautiful downtown Chicago or Detroit, then give some more of your nonsense advice.
John Smith the article states that the 13yo boy was a victim.
It happened before in Toronto (Just Deserts Cafe) it will happen again, Canada right next to one of the most socially violent Countries in the world the USA.
I shipped out 6 years ago So Glad I did.
Right...let's blame this on the U.S...let's not forget to throw the President in there too...ANY one, take your pick!
SMH!
We're glad you did too!
commentingbecauseican -- When visiting friends in Toronto, one of whom is a reporter, I've read the documentation that the majority of illegal guns in Canada come from the US.
Bye bye traitor
yup USA is between too paeceful countries; Canada and Mexico, which shuold be given a prize for its non- violent environment. Of course, guns are not allowed there and that is why these two countries enjoy such peace and security
Canada is a violent country!
I'm sure when they catch this gunman he'll have a long story of how he was mis-treated as a child, lost his job or just plain unhappy. So sad. Life is tuff, get a helmet!!!
What makes these Republican TeaBilly's so Evil and Violent? Is it da Sarah Palin Books?
Any word from the NRA?
What makes you so stupid, jstdafacts?
Bigot.
Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted! Let's pray that the wounded in critical care are healed!
Let's also pray that this story does not incite fear in people. It most likely was published for that purpose. Violence could truly happen anywhere. However, remember that our God given freedoms are not worth giving up for the illusion of safety. This happened in Canada where strict gun laws are in place. Let us also, then, pray that US lawmakers do not use this to foment anti-gun sentiment. I pray that God's grace and Christ's Truth begins to set more and more people free! Quit hitting the snooze button. Wake up everybody! Share peace and love with your neighbors!
I am very sorry to hear about innocent people being shot. This is why everyone should learn how to shoot and carry a weapon. Criminals and nut jobs are all strapped. The average person needs to know how and be able to protect them self. Personally, I don't like handguns because you can miss unless you are a good shot. My weapon of preference is an automatic shotgun...you cannot miss when in range.
No it won't help you. Because by the time you have time to react, you're already dead or the guy has fled. These shooting last mere seconds and unless you're a trained markmens, it's doubtful you'll be able to do anything. Guns are good if you have time to react, defending you home, being stalked on the street. But, In these kind of random surprise attacks, no matter how many guns you have, it won't change a thing.
Keira Canada is crazy about you going there to live, if you are not living there already; it is a beautiful place where you seldom see a gun. The gov there has an effective way to prevent any violent guns crime, that is why this thread is about a party at the Mall;
Unfortunatelly; some families are devastated with their loss today and wondering what failed in their so perfect system; nobody should use a gun in their person; why should we if the oponent will always render us death before we can do anything?..how about our military.. what a waste of money in the latest toys eh? if a country want us, they will get us anyways? thnk no
my peference is a M4 or K2 with 30 rd mags and a full combat load of ammo,better too much overkill then not having enough ammo
rockaddict I hope your name holds true to some form of drug addiction because your post makes absolutely no sense!
I cant believe i'm going to be the first one to say it, but my condolences to the families of those victims.
jackofspade your rite, you are the first one. I have been reading the posts and everyone is bickering about everything but the actual event at the Eaton Center. I'm with you, I feel bad for the victims too. At least there's two of us with a good heart! ;)
Once again, i don't see this story on foxnews.com. It is headline news on other websites. At least it should be on the foxnews service that supports increasing the 90 guns per 100 people we already have in this country. The highest of any country in the world. And how gun violence is spreading to canada as well as mexico. And how mexico border cities are more dangerous than baghdad.
Gun violence spreading to Mexico from the USA? You are a nimrod aren't you!
foxnews.com/world/2012/06/02/shooting-at-canada-mall-leaves-1-dead-others-injured/
Perhaps you ought to visit the FOX website.
The shooter was described as between 16 and 84 black female with Mongolian features, wearing a ski mask over a jock strap, one arm was short and the other was bifurcated, and was last seen in a yellow pinstriped wheel chair heading into the restroom. Is it not politically correct to profile anyone these days? How are we to know if we are in an elevator with the killer if he/she/it is not described?
Homesick Yank they probably got immediate treatment since it was obviously an emergency situation and they do have socialized healthcare in Canada. HOWEVER if you need routine medical work or something that can be scheduled you will wait forever to have it done in the great white north, Otherwise please explain the thousands of canucks crossing the border every year to get healthcare in the US.
Damn right, Rick. Explain this to Medee1 above that disputes this. I live in the Buffalo NY area and witness these Canadians coming across the Peace bridge from as far as Toronto seeking medical care in the USA becuase of the long waits in Canada.
Tony - You're right, and I'm one of those people. Things have been changing for the better in Canada lately, but not fast enough.
Sounds like someone who is working their way up to greater mayhem.
People are not being told the truth about evil and damnation. Most pastors just talk politics or how to get rich. They need to get real while they still have time. I still blame the media the most for all the glory they continuously give to violence. We need to come to civilization in all manner in this world. People act just plain out rude and stupid and evil nowadays. It is a doggone shame. There is no place that is safe anymore. I used to go to that mall all the time when I went to Canada. Most were just shopping and minding their own business and here comes a dimwit with a gun.
This has nothing to do with politics. The way these postings are going this is exactly why there can be no headway made in anything to help the socila situation in countries. No one really tries to come up with a viable solution. No one wants to work together. This forum is a microcosim of governments and policy makers. This is why nothing can get done
To the family and friends of the victims and survivors of the shooting in Canada: My condolences go out to you. I pray that you heal.
I am certain someone can give details on what they saw before this shooting started and during. I hope the authorities find this person quickly before he kills again.
I am so glad that Canada has such strict gun laws which prohibits people from obtaining firearms. Oh wait....
And luckily they are far away from any country that is full of guns. Oh wait. And oh wait, it's not difficult to get a gun legally in Canada.
I'm not for weapons/ammo control. I believe if you want a weapon you should in most cases be able to acquire it. But let's get serious for a moment. More weapons in the hands of untrained, unskilled, unpredictable people causing less mayhem and saving lives is a little like the ads that promote the ability to eat more of anything you want and lose weight without execrcise. You are being suckered both in thinking you'd be safer if everyone had a weapon (if that were true Afghanistan would be the safest place on earth) and you'll lose weight regardless how much you eat. Now eat your low fat salad and ask the local constabulary to do their job and protect you!
But statistics do actually show that communities with a higher percentage of legal gun owners have lower crime rates, and those with strict gun control have higher crime rates. Criminals prefer unarmed victims. No one force an untrained person to carry a gun, but free citizens should have that right.
I'll go with my logic over your statistician's surveys. Sorry Moto, I'd rather vacation in Switzerland than in Afghanistan any day (having spent a year in Vietnam and Thailand back in the day).
OK Ok. Must be the weapons in Switzwerland that are keeping the Alps safe. It's amazing what a person can learn in old age. My next vacation will be to the country where there are more weapons than people and I'm sure to feel safe! You've all convinced me!
The average POLICE officer, when using his weapon, hits what they are aiming @ less than 30% of the time...
The POLICE are more familiar with emergency situations and how to react/shoot, than the average person that has only shot @ targets...
BTY - I have a CCW & IMO - A person pulling a gun in a panicking crowd, even when they are targeting the bad guy. Will cause more damage and will probable get shot by the authorities. In a more stable environment, things could be different...
No Mexican,South American gangs fighting for control, like here in Central California! Guh, can't wait to get outta here! :)
Ever see the actual documentary about all the people from countries with free health care waiting months and months for necessary care and flocking to the US? Me neither, but I see a lot of parroted propaganda and bull**** anecdotes. Now I did see an actual documentary where doctors and patients in countries with free health care were talking about how happy they were with the system, but that documentary was made by that fat, evil, communist liar, so listen to your whiny-voiced little wimp conservative radio host and NEVER watch his stuff.
wetazn4u6669,you may not believe in a spiritual realm, but I do and that does not make me insane.
The definition of insanity does not constitute beliefs in things that are not visible. I am sure Louis Pastuer was deemed insane when he discovered microrganism caused disease or when Newton discovered gravity or when the first sine wave machine was devised or even the silicon valley boys when designing the internet. Don't be so quick to judge a person's sanity based on Your limited knowledge about things you may not be familiar with.
"Don't be so quick to judge a person's sanity based on Your limited knowledge about things you may not be familiar with."
The genesis of the internet was done 3000 miles away from Silicon Vally at MIT. Silicon Vally was responsible for the development of the silicon chip and semiconductors.