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Subscribe to RSSRebels in Syria say Assad's forces had slaughtered at least 78 people, including women and children, but Assad's people say it was the rebels and the numbers were far fewer. ITN's Paul Davies reports. Warning: Some pictures in this report are disturbing.
Updated at 11:20 a.m. ET: BEIRUT -- United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said on Thursday that U.N. monitors were shot at trying to get to the scene of the latest Syrian massacre in which at least 78 villagers were allegedly slaughtered by forces loyal to President Bashar al-Assad.
Opposition activists said up to 40 women and children were among the dead in Mazraat al-Qubeir, near Hama, on Wednesday, posting film on the Internet of bloodied or charred bodies.
Syrian activists say 100 people were killed by government supporters Wednesday in the province of Hama, including many women and children. Meanwhile, diplomatic efforts to quell the crisis continue to stall. NBC's Ayman Mohyeldin reports.
Confirmation of Wednesday's massacre will pile pressure on world powers to act, but they have been paralyzed by rifts pitting Western and most Arab states against Assad's defenders in Russia, China and Iran.
The U.N. chief told the General Assembly that the unarmed observers were initially denied access to the scene in central Hama and "were shot at with small arms" while trying to get there. He did not mention any casualties.
Ban said each day in Syria was seeing more "grim atrocities" and that for many months it had been evident that Assad and his government "have lost all legitimacy."
Any regime that tolerates killings such as one in which 108 people were slain in the town of Houla on May 25 and Wednesday's attack near Hama "has lost its fundamental humanity," he said, condemning "this unspeakable barbarity."
Earlier, Syria's pro-government Addounia TV said U.N. observers had arrived in Mazraat al-Qubeir, but the chief of the U.N. mission said that Syrian troops and civilians had barred them.
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"They are being stopped at Syrian army checkpoints and in some cases turned back," General Robert Mood, the head of the U.N. observer mission, said in a statement earlier on Thursday. "Some of our patrols are being stopped by civilians in the area."
Syrian rebels reportedly killed dozens of Syrian soldiers over the weekend, following the massacres of civilians by the regime last week in Houla. Both Mitt Romney and Sen. John McCain are calling for the arms for the rebels. Former Ambassador to Syria Theodore Kattouf discusses.
U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton described the latest reported massacre as unconscionable.
"We are disgusted by what we are seeing (in Syria)," she told a news conference during a visit to Istanbul.
'Completely false'
The Syrian state news agency quoted an official source in Hama describing reports from Mazraat al-Qabeer as "completely false," saying security forces had intervened at the request of residents after a "terrorist group committed ... a monstrous crime", killing nine women and children.
Syrian authorities have also denied responsibility for the Houla killings, blaming foreign-backed Islamist militants.
As with the May 25 killings -- which Western powers blame on Assad's troops and loyalist "shabbiha" militia -- the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said "shabbiha headed into the area after the shelling and killed dozens of citizens, among them women and children."
Shabbiha, drawn mostly from Assad's minority Alawite sect that is an offshoot of Shiite Islam, have been blamed for the killings of civilians from the Sunni Muslim majority. That has raised fears of an Iraq-style sectarian bloodbath and the prospect of a wider regional confrontation between Shiite Iran and the mainly Sunni-led Arab states of the Middle East.
NYT: US envoy fears Syria conflict will develop into regional sectarian war
Reports of mass killings have emerged not even two weeks after a recent massacre that killed about 100 people. NBC's Ayman Mohyeldin reports.
Some 13,000 people have been killed in Syria over 15 months of repression and later armed rebellion.
The main Syrian National Council opposition group responded to reports of the new massacre by calling for stepped-up military assaults on Assad's forces.
The failure of a cease-fire brokered by U.N. envoy Kofi Annan in March to halt the bloodshed has raised questions about its continued worth.
The 300-member group of U.N. truce observers has been in Syria for weeks.
Events in Syria are difficult to verify as state authorities tightly restrict access for international media.
Up with Chris Hayes panelists Colonel Jack Jacobs, MSNBC military analyst; Karam Nachar, an activist who has been working with opposition leaders in Syria; Jeremy Scahill of The Nation magazine; and Josh Trevino of the Texas Public Policy Foundation, discuss whether civil war is inevitable in Syria, and whether there's anything the United States and the world can do to stop it.
Rebel groups inside Syria, which helped escalate what began as popular demonstrations for democracy into what is approaching a civil war, say they are no longer bound by Annan's cease-fire and are calling for more foreign arms and other support.
Western leaders, wary of new military engagements in the Muslim world and especially of the explosively complex ethnic and religious mix that Syria represents, have offered sympathy but shown no appetite for taking on Assad's redoubtable armed forces, which can call on Iran and Russia for supplies.
Assad: Syria faces 'real war waged from the outside'
In Washington on Wednesday, the United States and Saudi Arabia, among dozens of mostly Western and Arab countries in the Friends of Syria working group, called for further economic sanctions against Syria including an arms embargo, travel bans and tougher financial penalties.
Thirteen men were shot dead at close range in Syria. Activists claim the killers were government militia. The government blames the rebels. NBC's John Ray reports. Some of the images in this report may be disturbing.
Separately, ministers and envoys from 15 countries and the European Union agreed at a meeting hosted by Turkey in Istanbul on Wednesday to convene a "coordination group" to provide support to the opposition but left unclear what this may entail.
The U.S. and its allies in Europe, Turkey and the Arab world also agreed to work on a political transition plan for Syria, hoping to persuade Russia to join a broadened diplomatic effort to ease Assad out of power, a senior U.S. official said.
Syria agrees to wider aid efforts, UN says
But with neither Russia nor China present, and both remaining hostile to the idea of global sanctions against the Syrian government or any Libya-style military intervention, it was unclear what effect the show of unity might produce.
Brutal shelling and attacks have made life inside of Syria's Homs harrowing and for those who try to flee, perilous. NBC's Ayman Mohyeldin reports.
Speaking in Beijing, Russia's foreign minister presented a counterproposal for international action, proposing a conference on Syria but with an emphasis on pressuring opposition groups to respect Annan's peace plan.
Sergei Lavrov criticized the Friends of Syria meetings that the U.S. and its partners have been having for being "devoted exclusively to the support of the Syrian National Council and its radical demands." He said the Russian gathering would, by contrast, put pressure on the Syrian opposition to "end all violence and sit down for talks."
Reuters and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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Very sad! I just hope they can fight their own civil war and that we don't get entangled!
^^^^ LOL! ^^^^
Assad needs to be hunted, captured and charged with war crimes , that would be a good start..
Islamics have been known to kill members of other Religious Sects, be they women or children. These areas are under the control of the Rebels not the Syrian Government. Could it be that the massacres are being carried out by in-fighting among rival religious groups within elements of the Rebels (activist that started this Civil War)? The Syrian Government is being watched by a number of different groups and it would not be in their best interest to commit these massacres but it is a definite benefit to the Rebels who are supported by a number of different Religious Terrorist Groups.
One has to wonder.
Assad was never accused of murdering women and children during his reign. Muslims kill women and children for fun. Muslims kill women and children and place them at bomb sites in Palestine simply to blame Israel.
So at the end of the day who is more likely to blindly kill women and children? A military dictatorship or Muslims?
I feel horrible for the innocent people being victimized, but sending in western troops will only make things worse. The UN troops will end up being the villains, and we will lose even more of our soldiers.
Where is the Arab world? Where is China? Lets by all means stay out of this.
@JoeB--I think we and the rest of the parties involved need to take a real close look at your statement. I believe it is spot-on.
I remember being horrified to learn (well after the "facts" were reported immediately after the incidents) during the height of the Bosnian civil war that Muslims had targeted markets and other places where there were most likely to be women and children--because blaming that type of atrocity on the enemy is VERY effective when the news media picks up the accusations and presents them as news. I've noticed that the mainstream broadcast and print media (by that I mean network plus some of the large cable outlets and Wash Post, NYT) rarely make a correction when investigation doesn't support their broadcasts/articles.
And, I believe most people don't pay attention to corrections to inaccurate reports anyway, but they do REMEMBER the initial accusations.
Where is the Arab world? China? Your joking right? The Arabs kill each other for sport and the Chinese government kills off their own children at a rate so great in a less populace country it would regarded as genocide. You look to the mass murderers of the world for reason? No wonder the world is circling the bowl.
@Nicodemus--I couldn't have said it better. Why don't the "news" reporting outlets ever ask those questions? I think they should rename most of the network news "the network fairytales".
People believe everything they read and never learn to read between the lines. What is really going on? Is Assad so suicidal that he is ordering actions that guarantee foreign intervention and his eventual death? I don't think so. I believe something else is going on. But no matter what the powers that be want, i know this country is in very deep economical problems and I know that if things continue as they have until now, we have the potential for a civil war here. So, I wonder if the real target is the USA. Get us involved in enough wars that our forces will be spread thinly across the glove, something like what happened to Hitler, then allow our economy to fail completely because of the cost of those wars.
We have to learn to mind our own business and recognize our real enemies.
Assad, is Sunni, the rebels are from the other sect; with the world watching, he would be nuts to allow his troops to kill the civilians; Libya, Egypt, now Syria, does not anyone see a pattern.
double
The US has killed over 120,000 women and children in the last 10 years. It's shameful that so many americans support the policies that have caused this, support the leaders that put the policies in place, and then get so upset that some country half way around the world does the same thing - only 1/1000th of the damage.
If you say Assad is guilty of war crimes, the so are Bush, Cheney, and Obama.
Let the Arab world take care of their own. One, very simply, they hate us and are only interested in our money. We have enough to do here let their neighbors help them not us.
From the article; "Events in Syria are difficult to verify as state authorities tightly restrict access for international media."
For anybody who says (and those who actually believe) that Assad is telling the truth, ie., that it is 'terrorists' or the rebels that are committing these atrocities, you need to think logically and ask yourself why would he keep the international news agencies out of Syria when they could help him prove what he claims? This is how the rest of us know he is lying and that Assad's government is directly responsible for the massacres of the elderly, women, children and even infants. (Wonder if those infants were armed and shooting back? Could have been self defense, right?) Only the guilty fear the free press!
I am against the US getting involved in this, but I do hate the stupid or the intentional Assad apologists distorting what they HAVE to know is the truth.
What happened in Rwanda? I guess that was Christians killing women and children for fun, and a lot more of them too.
Who cares, as long as they are fighting each other they are not involved in other things. One day our friends the next our enemy. Now if only Iranians would start their own rebellion.
UN and its agencies are doing lots of dramas in Syria and Iran as if they are the worst places on earth after WWII.
They have experience with Saddam's Iraq. Before starting 2003 Iraqi war, they were about to get Saddam's WMDs and chemical weapons.
UN and all its agencies are of use only to their pay masters like Saudis, Israel and co!
Most of the times they join war drum beatings.
As austerity measures, let us wind up UN and all its agencies!
Take the time to watch on You Tube the video... Russia and the gathering of nations to Armageddon
or if you want watch the video about basically the Iraqi War in bible prophecy watch
From Babel and Babylon to Baghdad
both very good and very interesting
Why would their be any surprise at this action?
This has to be the most uninformed quote of the day.
Just so the poster can know what everyone else does already, Assad is Muslim. Alawi, is his sect, which makes him a Sunni, if you want to be more specific.
But at least he didn't spell it, Muslin!
Is that Hillary? I hardly recognized her, boy has she gotten uglier.
As for Syria, stay out of it. We have our own problems. Frankly, if the middle-east hasn't resolved their problems after decades of us trying and getting involved, I'm kinda sick of hearing about it.
If any group of rebels tried to take over the US, our govenment would use every means possible to stay in power, including wiping out civilians. With that said, based on past events like Iraq, the rebles most likely are doing the mass murder and blaming those in charge. It's cival war and we need to stay out of this!
The trouble with your extremely well-thought-out theory Terri, is that the rebels would love to have the world press in Syria, but Assad doesn't. See my post 1.16. Who looks guilty now?
First President Assad is an Alawi and His wife is a Sunni And I am A Christian from Syria. President Assad is the only President in the Middle east that is good the only thing the west hates him is because he is not a puppet to them. He would never kill this people. How we all forget 911 and who did it And today they are in Syria killing Syrians with the west help. Saudi Arabia and Qatar are the biggiest funders of terrorist in the world just because they are puppets and have money the west will not say anything. What ashame. I am proud of what President Assad did for the Syrian people in the last 11 yrs he been in office Syria was doing great till the west and their puppet who are trying to destory it. More then 90% of the Syrian people love Assad and the Christian people love him he does everything for them. He is the best president in the middle east.
Russia and China don't care that women and children are being murdered with weapons made by them as long as they are making a profit on the arms sales....
BTW Hillary is UGLY as hell! LOL.
Just read the update; "The U.N. chief told the General Assembly that the unarmed observers were initially denied access to the scene in central Hama and "were shot at with small arms" while trying to get there. He did not mention any casualties."
Assad learns fast, doesn't he? One massacre he blamed on the rebels, but it was done with heavy artillery, which the rebels don't have, only the government has artillery. It was pretty obvious then that he was a liar. So this time they use small arms fire (still effective since the UN observers are not armed and can only run when fired upon) which they and their apologists can blame on just about anybody (except me...I'm in the US and I never left...I swear) Pretty good shots, though, they managed to miss everybody and avoid an international catastrophe.
The infotainment war machine strikes again. All this news is a drumbeat to war and money and power.
Anyone here believing anything our propaganda news machines churn out is foolish at best.
What is going on in Syria is a serious tragedy. I would believe social media more then I believe and news outlets spewing corporate and government propaganda.
The real tragedy here is the everyday people caught in this horrific political play by nations and powerful men.
The women and children killed is horrific, the people doing it should be killed on site without remorse or quarter. All sides in this mess hold responsibility. The news is not telling you the truth.
For once I am so proud of most of you real Americans to read between the lines. Our Gov. has sent mercs and weapons to the wrong people, and getting involved where we dont BELONG !!! RON PAUL 2012
@ Will in PA; If you are a Christian from Syria, and Syria is so wonderful, and you and 90% of the people there love Assad so much, then why oh why are you here (in PA)? It must be so horrible for you to be part of "the West and it's puppets who are trying to destroy it"!
What's the problem here in getting rid of Assad?
The US/NATO rid the Middle East of Saddam Hussein, Ghaddfi, Mubarak, Osama Bin Laden, other major Terrorist Leaders including other Slaughtering Dictators.
Drones again?
Why is "our Government" letting this go on. America represents Humanitarianism. The UN is the Majority of Representatives who come from these countries. They are aides/murderers to the Slaughtering as well.
This is like watching the Holocaust all over again. No one does anything. The Middle East Leaders could care less about their own Muslim citizens.
The KORAN. What does it "say" now, about the Slaughtering Massacres to an such extensive Murdering of their own people, by their own people.
odin: "For once I am so proud of most of you real Americans to read between the lines. Our Gov. has sent mercs and weapons to the wrong people, and getting involved where we dont BELONG !!! RON PAUL 2012"
Let's see if I can read between the lines here....Romney favors arming the rebels, McCain is desperately trying to get the US to send arms to the rebels, but no one has been successful yet. Gee, what mercs and weapons are you complaining about. I'm sure the rebels would love to know where they are.
Actually, it's misinformation like this (intentional or otherwise) that's causing the most trouble.
Marchant...
LMFAO. The US has killed 250,000 civilians (including 120,000 women and children) over the past 10 years. We have kidnapped and tortured hundreds of foreign nationals (many times citizens of countries we call our allies, like Italy and Germany.) We bribe and blackmail regularly to get what we want. Any American who hasn't read the Wikileaks material has got their head stuck in the sand. Ignoring it doesn't make you a better American, in fact, just the opposite.
Osama Bin Ladin, was not as much a fool that you people took him to be. He knew that Al Quiada couldn't bring the USA down fighting a war on our soil. This was said long ago and by high office holding people in this country. The problem is he put his plan out openly and you all ignored it. What he said was very simple," if he could get the USA to go over there that he could bankrupt the country." These words fell on deft ears here, but they were listening over there. He showed the world how to defeat us. I watched this happen, did you or any of the high mucky-mucks in office? NO! Now you all need to real, really fast. If China doesn't watch their step I can see them in the same boat.
Then the Syrian government has nothing to hide. Why are they turning back the UN Inspectors?
I agree with the arms sales, but do you really believe we are different?
And Condi Rice was an air-head.
We get it jonedep America sucks, we're horrible, we're the worst nation in the world, now if we can only get all the people from all these nations we are oppressing to stop immigrating here.
wlee...
It's sad that people like yourself are more than willing to overlook attrocities done in YOUR name, but then get so self rightious about others doing the same thing.
I'm not sure why you would want to stop people from immigrating to the US in the first place, that's how we built this country into what it is. Oh that's right, they don't look like you or follow the same sky fairy as you - better to just keep them out.
We both agree on one thing (although for very different reasons) THE US SHOULD STAY OUT OF SYRIA.
J in CO: "Is that Hillary? I hardly recognized her, boy has she gotten uglier."
What a useless, assinine comment! How "beautiful" are you? And what has a person's appearance got to do with ANYTHING in this news article. How "beautiful" is it to be slaughtered? Grow up!
Let's hope Obama does not listen to Romney and turn this into political football. Any move Obama makes, the FOX's lead the GOP 180 degrees in response. The Arabs should move in and help their ethnic cousins.
The cost of a USA invasion for one day, is what the "big government" gives to Planned Parenthood and Head Start for a year.
jone dep:
LMFAO to you as well.
Joney, you are very Anti American. Hopefully you do not live in the United States.
America killing Civilians--What do you think War is about---especially the Terrorists since 9/11--did they think about all the civilians they murdered, and the massacres that have occured in our Country, by these Terrorists, and in other countries around the World?.
Many of the other countries, such as the Middle East and N. African Terrorists use children as their human shields. Cowards. Don't deny that one--
You are one darn sympathizer to EVIL. Should the United States sit by idly, and let all the Terrorists take over the US?; or should the Veterans of World War I, and World War II count how many civilians they killed to save others from the deaths of Evil Dictators marching across Europe, and other Continents.. No one talks about the Vets who experienced War. Try talking to one, and hear their stories.
Have you ever served in the US Armed Forces?--If not, you cannot complain about how our Government and Soldiers are maimed or dying saving your darn butt.
"Innocence is Bliss". Take the shades off, and get out of your bubble life.
jonedep, you totally miss my point, have I condemned anything going on in Syria? Was I appalled by Mai Lai,the civilians killed by one Marine in Afghanistan and other questionable killings yes so don't presume to know me. Am I ready to condemn my country no, because the good we do far exceeds the bad
i guess some people missed the part where Russia said, if both sides didnt sit and talk, they would make them by force? grant it, Russia can be pretty heavy handed, and i'll lay odds if mama' Russia plops her dairy aire in Syria we wont do anything. I actually think its the best idea, brought to the table thus far. Not to mention, this is coming from Russia, lol. what was that little country next to Russia we were big protectors of?? you know, the one where Russia took it in like a day or 2. i think i distinctly remember them asking for help, and our government did nothing but bite its nails.
however, like i said, good idea from Russia.... put an end to the nonsense. people are sick of listning to it.
wlee:
Great Post to Jone Dep who does not fully understand what he is talking about.
The Salvador option for Syria.
Folks, this massacre and the one before it were not committed by either the Syrian gov't or the rebels. That much should be evident by the distinct shift in tactics. This is the work of a third party. Tactically (and strategically), these massacres share a whole lot in common with the massacres carried out by American trained/funded death squads (The School of Americas) employed liberally in South and Central America in the late 20th century.
These are the works of NATO death squads. I'd not be surprised if these death squads are also the ones shooting at UN monitors. Neither Syria's gov't not the rebels are dumb enough to do that.
wlee,
No it doesn't. Not even close.
The american people (those who aren't flat out ignorant) are by and large a good-natured people. (Same can be said for most inhabitants of planet earth, by the way; we aren't exceptional - that's empire propaganda - we're just rich (for reasons I shall soon demonstrate)) Those who (supposedly) act on our behalf, however, are following the empire script.
The notion you express is one that's been drilled into our heads since the day we learned the pledge of allegiance. But what we really do as an empire couldn't be further from that piece of propaganda.
I'll give an example: It was America and its proxies (in this case, American funded and backed Somali warlords) that destabilized Somalia in the late 80's. Then in 1993, as the infighting and famine began to subside, we sent some troops in for a photo op and got into a little dog fight. America and her proxies have also acted to keep somalia destabilized since then. All for cheap access to Somali natural resources. When the Somalis were on the verge of implementing a stable national government in 2007, America acted swiftly to destabilize the situation. So now, the American public has been fooled into believing that 1. it has nothing to do with the current state of Somalia, 2. the Somalis are just a backwards people and a failed nation, 3. the Somali people deserve no help and no empathy because 'last time we tried to help, they shot our blackhawks down'.
The American people have been fooled to think that 'protect American interests' somehow means 'protect Americans'. What it really means is 'hey, how did my oil get under your sand?' It means take others' wealth in order to enrich America's corporations, and let the american people have the crumbs that fall off the table. And then castigate those same others for being destitute. We're not better than anybody. We're just richer. Because we're the best at killing people and taking what's rightfully theirs. That's America.
Nice try Bilal, Indonesia, Haiti, Japan, WW2, Bosnia, Afghanistan's women, Iraqi Shiite's US aid world wide, hate the US all you want, I choose not to. I also served my country how about you?
Bilal:
Had to pass by the long script written, but did understand most of the content.
What other Country in the World would help out any Nation on this planet like the United States.
Other Country Governments, raise your hands! for being the good Humantarians Americans are, including our US Government!
Why are people trying to flee to the US, Bilal?; without going through Legal Immigration standards.
BTW: Thank you for your Service in the Military.
Hillary speaking means Jewish and Saudi lobbys in action. These days she is in full blast mode.
What about the rest: she does not care or know?
wlee,
Unfortunately, you served big business, not your country. To illustrate, google the following phrases:
Indonesia: "Eisenhower Dulles Indonesia subversion"
Haiti: "Haiti France Debt US Enforcement"
Japan: "japan tried to surrender before hiroshima"
Bosnia: "CIA Jovica Stanisic"
Afghanistan's women: "afghanistan womens rights taliban peace talks"
WWII: "US knew before pearl harbor"
Iraq: "1.3 million dead Iraqis" or "sanctions Albright we think the price was worth it"
Got any more?
Assad will soon be dragged through the streets and beaten to death.
I sincerely hope that All of his cohorts and family meet the same fate, including the "covert" Iranian hit men and thugs he has employed in the slaughter of Syrias people.
When this is finally over, I hope Syrias new leaders remember which country has caused the deaths of so many of their own families, and give them a taste of what it is like.
Let us see whether this will be the fate of seventh century desert mindset bigoted Sunni Saudi, Kuwaiti, UAE, Qatar and other autocratic, despotic and barbaric and beastly rulers.
As most know Assad is one of the best ME rulers.
It is truly interesting that the ever present "eye in the sky" that can see a single Syrian tank moving back and forth, has NOT seen the 400 or so killers moving in and out of the kill zones with impunity. Surely somewhere there's footage that can show where these killers came from, and where they escaped?
But maybe there is footage. Maybe someone from the sky has recorded this (most likely). But the only reason it's not been released is because it might incriminate the wrong parties. Or, maybe it's just taking time to "clean up" the footage for showing an an upcoming UN session on Syria.
I suspect Gen. Colin Powel and Mr. George Tennent (who are no longer on speaking terms) will be called in once more to do a grand presentation - with pictures and "cleaned up" footage!
Just my observation.
@Avid--I think that what you said is sadly very true. Rival Islamic religious groups among the civilians have no compunction whatsoever about killing all ages of other religious groups--be they Sunni, Shiite, or other--and then blaming the government. My belief is that one or two anti-government news outlets make an initial "report" and then all the rest of them run with it. We are so busy wasting time and money with 300 UN observers over there. Those folks seem to me about as useless as tits on a bull.
I DO NOT believe we should send US troops--but let's at least be sure of who we're saying should get support.
It hasn't been proved WHO did this. It could be CIA operatives trying to foment an attack on Syria .
Avid and Momcat: I'm with you on this.
The Military/Bankster/Elitists are just revving up the war machine once again to spend borrowed money made out of thin air, to overthrow more Gov'ts so they can install corrupt Banks that control everyone and everything.
Before you know it, the corrupt Gov't here will stage these False Flag events here and do the same to all of us in the name of the War on Terror. Right now the TSA and Homeland Security are installing systems to spy on and terrorize U.S. citizens.
Get your children vaccinated or go to jail.
Patenting life(i.e. GMOs)
Poisoning our water and food supply
Groping senior citizens, women and children at Airports, train and bus stations
Fake terrorist attacks set up by Federal agencies to take your constitutional rights
Do not vote for anyone this November that supports these policies!
I think it's the Jews in the CIA and not the peace loving Muslims, got to love the conspiracy genius's
For once I am so proud of most of you real Americans to read between the lines. Our Gov. has sent mercs and weapons to the wrong people, and getting involved where we dont BELONG !!! RON PAUL 2012
@lee2, That kind of assumtion is dangerous to say.
@odin, This has been going on from Goerge Washington to present day. I don't think that there has been a president that hasn't been involved in something, somewhere, at sometime. As for Ron Paul, good luck.
The strange thing is we didn't even hesitate to intervene in Libya, yet in Syria things are a lot worse yet we haven't done anything. I guess when there is oil involved human life becomes more "valuable" to us. Also when it is more convenient. Dems and Repubs are nothing more than hypocrite A-holes, they are all alike.
Stone Mason - you're making too much sense, they won't get it. Sheeple never will.
@6dogs, it is indeed a dangerous thing to say. But it is far from an assumption. What we're seeing here is a repeat of tactics deployed in Honduras, El Salvador, and a few other South/Central American nations. School-of-Americas style death squads. It should be clear, from the distinct shift in tactics, that this is not the work of the Syrian gov't or the rebels. After them, who's left, aside from the regional and world powers?
Yeah Bilal it's one big conspiracy Muslims would never think of killing each other!!!!!
That's a good argument wlee.
Some are talking of women and children.
If atrocities and barbarism on girls, children and women are the criteria, then the most despotic, autocratic and bigoted Sunni Saudi ruler with his 5000 princes and princesses, Kuwaiti, UAE and other Arab League Sunni rulers and their rich sheiks are the biggest culprits in the history.
Through the Muslim immoral trafficking gangs, these barbarians have assembled all varieties of poor and helpless girls and women from all over the world in their harems and brothels.
If the US, Britain and others support such Sunni barbarians and beasts who treat girls and women as cheap sex slaves, then one can only conclude that Saudis, oil companies and their lobbyists determine what to see, how to lecture and where and when to act.
Rest like “human rights”, “killing of children and women”, “militants”, “terrorists”, “WMDs”, “chemical weapons” and so on are a pure hoax.
Similar hoaxes were played each time before Iraqi wars on directions of Saudi, oil companies and their lobbyists.
Now none of them are looking into Iraq, where millions have been killed and devastated.
Twice are too much to tolerate.
And while we talk about women and children....The Afghan president, Hamid Karzai, cut short a visit to China yesterday the minute he heard of a NATO air strike that killed women and children at a wedding party.
Pakistan summoned the US Ambasador and asked him to explain why women and children were amongst the dead in three drone strikes this week. This is "news" because the Pakis NEVER summoned anyone during the past 30 or so strikes last month!
NATO and the US explain that as "collateral damage".
So...I guess if Assad is found "guilty" of slaughtering women and children, he too can feign the same defence!
AvidObserver: For counting "women and children", the place and numbers have to be certified by Saudi, oil companies and their lobbyists or at least Jewish lobby!
Others in the world don't count.
Every nation is guilty of slaughtering the Innocent. We did it here against the Indians. Now we try to imply that we are better than the ME leaders and groups. It's sickening. We need to learn to mind our own businesses.
By our own numbers, in Iraq and Afghanistan, over the last ten years, the US has killed over 120,000 women and children.
No wonder recruiting terrorrists is so easy in those countries.
@Jibaro--Yes we did and I pray to God we don't get so arrogant that we forget what was done settling this country.
But--During the 20th and 21st century the regimes labeled as people's "alternative/progressive" have been most responsible for killing their own people--anyone recall we supported the Mujahadeen against Russia and um, WTF has been and is going on in Afghanistan now? Can we say "Taliban"?
Momcat....
How many countries, other than the US, can you name that have killed over 250,000 people in the last 10 years? Over 120,000 of which were women and children.
C'mon! We have killed over 1 million unborn babies since Obama took the Oath of Office and restarted that ... but we call it Womens Rights or some other variation of "planned parenthood" to soothe our country's conscience. Aren't we the hypocrites to comment on THEIR atrocities while we kill over 100 an hour here!
Stan,
I pretty sure that abortion also took place during the Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, and Bush Administrations. Your attempt to blame it on the current president is wrong on so many levels. Either you're a troll or you need a foil hat to block out the voices.
I was refering to living, breathing, already born into this world human beings.
jonedep, it's called war, people die in a war. You guys moan and beech about our country yet do nothing to change it, no one is keeping you here. Stan is right yet as typical you make excuses.
Jonedep and Momcat: "...250,000 people in the last 10 years". What if we went back further than that. The A-bomb, Agent Orange, Nicagaura, Cuba, Korea, Vietnam..Kuwait...the list goes on and on.
I'd say the final count will make 250,000 look like a "rounding error".
We need to reclaim the moral high ground. Everyone (ESPECIALLY Osama Bin Ladin and his thugs) now know not to mess with the US. There's no point messing with others any more. I't only strengthens their resolve to mess with us further...and the evil cycle of war continues!
wlee....
So Stan was right when he stated that abortion started under Obama? WTF?
I try almost everyday to change our country and I'm staying right here to do it. If you and stan think abortion is murder - so what - I don't agree. Welcome to America.
I understand that people die in war - no sh!t sherlock. Let me lay it out for you.
How in the hell can we tell some other country to stop killing women and children when we do it all the time? How do we tell other countries not to kidnap and torture people, when we do it?
What are you doing to change it?
Really, yall need to learn your facts better. The 250,000 citizens that have been killed in the last 10yrs were not solely caused by American troops, most of those citizens were killed by suicide bombers and men using them a human shields
SSGT's wife....
WTF are you talking about? Our own government confirms these numbers. Other independent groups put them much higher.
So when we drop a bomb and it kills 50 women and children...it's not our fault, it's theirs?
jonedep, I'm talking about abortion not that it started under Obama ,but you already knew that. So if abortion isn't a form of murder what is it? I don't think we should get involved. So you're telling me if you lie you shouldn't tell your kids not to lie. I'm voting to get rid of Obama, and if Romney fails , I'll be voting to get rid of him too. BTW my names not Sherlock.
For once I am so proud of most of you real Americans to read between the lines. Our Gov. has sent mercs and weapons to the wrong people, and getting involved where we dont BELONG !!! RON PAUL 2012
Talking about Iraq and things like mass deaths, for the like of me I really have heard where the Gas Agent that is said to have been used by Saddam on that sunni village. The film I saw showed the entire village dead. Than all we heard about was Iraqs' weapons of mass destruction. After entering the country, there was no Gas producing lab found, nor any Gas of any nature like this detected. I have a chilling idea of where it came from. I guess that you all lost track of this with what all went on. I haven't forgot and those who did it havn't forgot either. They are really hoping that this has been forgotten. Sorry, I don't believe Saddam did it. If they want me to change my mind there is going to have to be proof.
6dogs, so who did it? Saddam used gas on the Iranians during their war
If you are surprised then you are out of touch
It's time for Mother Russia to remove the disgusting Assad's.. it is their turn to show their might to protect humanity.. The whole darn deal is stupid anyways.. We all live on the same planet.. What are the current leaders attempting to lead us to ?? Certain death.. I'm wasting my breath, but maybe it reaches some one.. Together is the answer along with shared intelligence.. Those so called leaders fighting each other.. they're all friends.. So what gives? A bunch of garbage.. burn it. Avoid violence though.. Think about it like this.. you haven't proposed a better idea.. so suggest something to the icons of society.. You might find that they are decent. :D Come together, believe and live.
Eric,
There is no time on earth where there was peace....
Man has never stopped killing,conquering, and enslaving one another..
Humanity is beastly. It is my ambition to someday find a suitable uninhabited island, occupy it, put up warning signs, booby trap it and live out my life there not having to deal with the rest of the beastly species.
paganponder, if one is to embrace your premise that humanity is beastly, then why would you want to pollute a pristine uninhabited island with your presence, especially when your first action would be to deploy devices to kill and maim?
I wouldn't write off ALL of humanity as beastly, but otherwise paganponderers ambition is real similar to mine. I would put up all those defenses in order to keep humanity in general and people such as you (Mass. Anarchist) in particular OUT!! Not to mention the rest of the world!!
Not our war... it is tragic, but the U.S. needs to start taking care of our own and stop trying to be world police.
WELL the US Gov't would but they are too busy selling our children's future to China and anyone else that will make it or do things cheaper.
No Sir!
For some: Saudis and Israel's business are our business.
Perhaps now is the time for real, many have died for such a thing.. i will live for such a thing.. Will you?..because I fell that's what it is about ;) Maybe we shouldn't just be thinking about peace on Earth though, but peace as one.. Ha ha I'm sure it will be revealed.
Last time I checked the US has citizens of every nation.. We are the world. We are not a country, we are a state.. of mind.. ..and what war?? You've got people tired of being servants when there is intelligent tech to absorb the "work" .. and a ruined Fiat. Money is dead.. if not, the cost of bread will be $15 USD in 2022 and $80 in 2045. I feel I have a reasonable answer for all of this, but I will save it for private, meaningful conversation with world changers. I do like talking to you all, but all you do is talk to each other. I sense you're pushing the wrong social buttons ^o^
"the cost of bread will be $15 USD in 2022 and $80 in 2045"...it is called inflation. It would not matter if you are being paid 10 times in 2022, or 40 times in 2045 versus what you make now.
The issue has and always will be people that make over 1000 to 1 ratios versus their workers while paying only 20% in taxes. They then expect to get something for nothing and earn more/extra money without doing ANY work. This is why they spread this false rhetoric, to try and cause fear among sheep/cattle like you. If you knew anything about inflation you would know that most "rich" hate it since it DEVALUES the money they have already "worked so hard for".
No "world changer" is going to talk to you, they are to busy being selfish and looking out for themselves. If you want to change anything you really need to educate the sheep/cattle at the top/bottom that cannot think for themselves, and are nothing more then Pavlov's dogs (conditioned/trained), that or become a "savior" like Hitler did. He honestly thought he was going to help Germany and its people. Thanks to those in power right now, we have a political climate in which even I could get elected to be President of the U.S., and it would not be much of a stretch to get congress shutdown with their current approval rating so that I could be Dictator/Emperor. "I cannot fix all these problems with Congress dragging their feet and impeding progress", I would say. Keep saying it cannot happen, but do not forget that Hitler was elected, and was GIVEN the power.
I liked it because it made no sense.. babble, you don't know whom I speak with.. You missed the boat my friend. While some are now paid to serve $10 an hour or less and can buy that loaf for $2.. in 2045 that same loaf would be $80 and they would be paid $35 or less an hour.. Why would owners dislike the long on this situation?? They wouldn't.. it won't happen and money is dead, and so are we if we don't figure out how to simply love one another and respect life. I am not a sheep, I'm a living entity, and it concerns me to hear humanities ridiculous beliefs, when those beliefs in fact are killing them, enslaving and separating them. The world is a mirror image of what we collectively believe. Change is in our hands.
I’m SOOO tired of people complaining about wage disparity! Nowhere in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights are we promised fairness, and we’ve never had wage equality in this country. Does anyone think that there was any kind of wage equality with Rockefeller, Ford or Guggenheim? What the country has always been about, unlike the majority of countries that some of you seem to speak about lovingly, is the right and privilege for any of us to go out there and try to become a Rockefeller, Ford or Guggenheim. To go as far as our intelligence, ability, guts and ambition will take us. That some have had more success, or luck, at doing this than others is just how the balls bounces…
As for taxes I’m all for restructuring the tax code, but we need to be careful doing this. The whole Warren Buffet thing (“I pay less than my secretary”) stems from capital gains taxes and not income tax. If we just raise the taxes on capital gains than any of us (that some refer to as the 99%) who, for example, sell a house are going to get screwed on those “capital gains”.
While these stories are sad, there is little that the U.S. can do about it. The U.N. Security Council is basically being run by Russia and China, who have both made it clear they will continue to allow Assad to do whatever he wants.
I guess that is why we killed so many people with drones lately...
The UN's peace initiative on Syria, presented by Kofi Annan, was Dead On Arrival. Actually, it died in 2004, when Mr. Annan famously said that the NATO bombing of Iraq, outside of the UN, "..was illegal, from a UN Charter stand point". That sealed his fate, and that of any initiatives he would head from then on.
It's no wonder that 1 day after Mr. Annan's peace plan was launched, the US was already calling it a failed mission - even though Annan asked for 90 days!
Oh well....I guess bombs and drones are one way to get 'piece' in Syria - actually many pieces of a nation (like in Lybia now).
Just my observation!
@Dr Man, Let's just think that they don't want to be in the same boat as we're on. That place can do some strange things to countries. Even with a score card it is hard to tell the good guys from the bad guys. When one groupe isn't doing something, the affiliate groupe, who has been quiet, starts something somewheres else. They are good at deception over there and can do it at all levels.
The United States cannot and should not take on the world and try to combat their everlasting war habits. We have enough concerns here and should just leave the other countries to their own solutions. Men are so disgusting, they must fight all the time. You see very few women engaged in the hidious crimes and stupidity. Don't know why men think they must have control of the world. God help us, where are the loving, kind and wonderful boys that some mothers raise. Sorry boys, but you know it is true. USA, please stay out of this war, we do not need it.
Maybe someday women of the world will wise up, and drown baby boys. That would solve the war problem, overpopulation problem, and abuse of women forever.
paganponderer, it would also seal the fate of all future women, unless you intend becoming parthenocarpic
Massachusetts - Thanks I learned a new word today. I thought I knew what you were getting at, but had to look it up in the dictionary to confirm - I mean a hard copy not Wikipedia:). Hopefully that will come in handy solving a NY Times crossword sometime. Good point as well.
As to women not causing death, Margaret Thatcher, Indira Gandhi, Golda Meir, Karla Homolka, mothers drowning babies - any of that ring a bell. I'll grant you there are a lot of nasty men out there but it's not an exclusive club.
As for Syria, the Assad government, far from perfect, has maintained some level of peace in that country for years. With the world's "eye" upon him, it does seem unlikely he would blatantly order his forces to kill children. I would not be surprised however if it was a combination of rogue soldiers/militia and Islamic extremists from the various sects perpetrating that brutality.
With girls being the fetus of choice for selective abortions, that option doesn't seem to be a possibility, women killing future women mind boggling.
That is truly sad for them.. Time to depend on our secret resources. Perhaps the people of Russia and China should take over their military. May be a huge revolt. Looks like a world wide "Bourbon Restoration" to me.. Cheers.
Eric, the people are the military?
Assad is of the so called Saudi house, and it is said by many God speaks from a Bush.. I'll let you Sovietly figure out the rest.. Bad things happened, but we need to forgive them and move on. We are a family.
If you think about it, thousands of women and kids are abused, tortured and killed in the U.S. every year. No one is rushing in here to prevent it. China, Russia and the U.N. seem disinterested and powerless to do anything and Obama doesn't want to make Iran or China mad - he can't risk not having China's value as a lender to support his own communist agenda. We need to mind our own business, pay attention to what's going on here and clean up our own act - get out of Iraq, Afghanistan and protect our own borders. Stop pouring billions of borrowed money down the drain on lost causes!!
Amen.
Had it not been for King George making nice with these 'people' in China and borrowing 15 BILLION dollars from them we could tell them all to take a flying leap off their wall! Don't go blaming demoncrats for what refubicans did.
I guess Syria's method of population control is not very popular.
Methinks there are some agents of the Syrian Ba'ath party trolling these halls. Assad is no different than Saddam Hussein was. He is a Stalinist that will murder his own citizens to keep absolute power. He's able to stay in power because he plays a political game with the international community. Russia, Iran, and China (all with human rights problems of their own) give their support to Syria merely because Syria causes problems for the western powers (like Israel, NATO, and the US). Assad will eventually fall. He's gone too far, even for Russia and China--both of whom are concerned about their world image as a public relations matter. As one poster says, "Assad will be dragged through the streets..." Sadly, Assad has outsmarted himself. He could have been retired and sitting on a nice beach in Qatar with a few billion in the bank. Now his fate looks to be quite tragic. Too bad, Bashar. "You coulda been a contender"
Like father, like son. The world stood by and did nothing when the father killed thousands to stay in power in the '80s, mainly because he was able to control the news and prevent word of his deeds from getting out until well after the fact. The son, having seen this approach work for his father, is attempting the same tactics. It is a different world now, and he will eventually share Qaddafi's fate. The only questions are how long will it take and how many innocents will die in the meantime. The US, Russia, China, and Iran all need to consider how their current actions will affect their relations with whomever comes to power once Assad is swinging from a lamp post. I agree with those who maintain the US is not the policeman of the world and should not get directly involved in this conflict. However the US has promoted itself as a supporter of democracy and human rights, and to stand by and do nothing while innocents are being slaughtered by a brutal dictator trying to hang on to power would be the height of hypocrisy. There is a middle ground between direct military involvement and standing by and doing nothing. Supporting Kofi Annan's efforts are one option. Pressuring Russia and China to support meaningful sanctions is a second. Surreptitiously sending arms to the rebels, either directly or through intermediaries is a third. In all likelihood the US is pursuing all these options simultaneously.
Doc - agree with your post. For those who have been following Syria and Assad over the years, that he would order the deaths of innocents is no surprise. That someone so consummately evil would NOT use any mechanism of terror at his disposal would be the surprise. Like father like son. He certainly deserves the fate of Gadhafi. But few murderous tyrants receive the reward they deserve. Alas the majority are given asylum and live out their days in luxury.
How to ease Assad (Sad ass) out of power? How about the Navy Seals slipping a noose around his neck and pull the chair out from under him? They are fully capable. The U.S. and many other countries have mass killers. They apparently get some kind of thrill out of killing. In Syria they have the same, but they can kill freely as many as they wish. It is obviously a massively sick society. How to deal with them is a complicated matter. These are people who love to slaughter human beings who must be stopped for the sake of all countries of the world. Thus, in order to put a sure stop to it, I believe it will take the likes of Harry to bring it to a halt. Truman that is. Sorry, if my thoughts seem convoluted to say the least but, many with other answers to this have failed. Or, should we just continue with Hillary stating enough is enough, or Annan donning his suit and tie once again and paying Assad another visit? How about Barack inviting Assad to the WHITE HOUSE for tea and he (Assad) just never returns to his homeland? Just like with Amelia Earhardt, give the world another mystery to ponder.
Any Russian or Chinese schmuck that objects to Syrian sanctions should be dragged through the streets with Assad. These massacres can't continue.
Seal Team 6 has proven itself quite useful. Heck, now that this administration has "outed" them, no reason to keep the choke chain on them. Turn them loose and place a few hunks of well placed lead in a few heads.
EXACTLY!!!
Not to be cold about it but you have a revolution against the government and you don't expect the government to fight back and that people will die? Your shooting and fighting against them.In the real world people don't talk- they fight- that is the way it has always been. What do you think would happen in the US if 20K people marched on Washington with guns demanding BO out of office and some one fired 1 shot?
At 20K dead people in Washington, followed later by perhaps 2 million armed people marching, ending with most of the Mall in ruins and BO and anyone who supported him hanging from a streetlight like Mussolini.
pagaponderer... spoken like a true fascist.
No, I was just answering his question. If a president starts killing large numbers of Americans, there will be a lot more Americans rising up. Not everyone is sheep.
But you didn't say "A President" now did you? No, you got a little more specific than that. How exactly would Obama kill these 20K Americans?
When "ifs" and "buts" are candy and nuts, everyday will be Christmas.
From your attitude, I take it you are one of those Obama-lovers.
I'm not sure who I find more contemptible, Obama-lovers or the George Bush lovers. Probably the Bush lovers because Bush probably could have dismembered a baby during the State of the Union address and people still would have liked him.
I think government has gotten out of hand in general, GWB made it much worse and Obama has completely wimped out on undoing that garbage, in fact added to it with NDAA 2012.
And I didn't say "a president" because BO is in office. I would have said GWB is in office.
Some people are WAY too sensitive. Almost as bad as the birther-fanatics.
Doesn't it bother anyone that all of this information is coming from Syrian "activists?" What, exactly, is an activist except someone who is trying to get other people to support his own agenda? There isn't even any attempt to get at the truth or look at both sides of any of these stories. They are pure propaganda, and most Americans seem all-too-happy to suck up the bait and start screaming in support of people who are as willing to see their fellow Syrians die to serve their own purposes as is Assad.
I would agree that in every Muslim land there is no "side" for America to be on, but having said that why would Obama who has already helped Islamics hostile to America gain control in Libya and Egyp, fail to help them control Syria. That way he can get back at Netanyahu, whom he despises, by ensuring that Israel is surrounded by enemies with a martyrdom complex, instead of enemies who might actually see a future.
This could be carried out by the other side and 'other groups' that are dressed as the military of Syria. We do not know. Someone is fanning the flames to get us involved. We should stay out of THEIR civil war. DO NOT GET DRAGGED INTO THIS! PURE PROPAGANDA.
Jeff...
Any problems that Israel has, were caused by Israel (not Obama)...and theirs alone to deal with.
I understand that's the progressive position, but I reject it completely. The problems Israel has is that here neighbors are Islamic lunatics who simply want a Jew free Middle east. Its nothing more than that. 1.2 Billion Muslims on earth and the Jews aren't entitled to a tiny sliver of their ancestral homeland? Never on board with that idea...ever. Obama's appalling grovelling before the Islamic world when he came into office is a huge problem now and will get worse. The Muslims always hated us, but respected our power and feared us. Now they see America as neutered, led by a groveling Obama whom Putin is leading around by the nose.
Jeff...
I'm pretty sure that if the Jewish "homeland" was the land that you lived on, you'd be singing a different tune.
Maybe the muslims hate the Jews because they are a bunch of land stealing bullies, standing behind their bigger, stronger friend - talking @!$%#.
I bet if we cut them loose, they'd learn to get along with the muslims. I bet they'd stop stealing land if they knew the US wouldn't back them up everytime they got into trouble.
This video was made to raise awareness of current Syrian people atrocities ,it was NOT made to solicit military intervention from any country on this planet.
Those figures who appear in the video are the only people who spoke out so far about our tragedy
... made for us to get drag into THEIR civil war. Pure propaganda. Stay out of Syria. A muslim nation. Let THEM save themselves! They have always been fighting since time immemorial. They know NO different.
Don't bother Hussein Zero, he's busy trying to cover up his failures and Lying about what he won't do if he's re-elected. Hillary's busy too, watching her Idiot husband sound like he's campaigning for Hussein one minute and Trashing him the next. One thing you can count on with Democraps, given the chance, they will eat their own. Meanwhile Ass-head Assad's MURDEROUS Rampage goes unchecked. No problem, it's only 10,000 Muslims that are DEAD. The EU, UN, Annan, Arab League, Quartet and NATO are All Morally Bankrupt COWARDS.
I hate to hear of yet another slaughter....but, I still do not think the US needs to be involved. Everytime we insert ourselves into anyone elses's business we get spit upon and are called the villians...plus, we put ourselves in incredible debt. US needs to stay at home and fix the US. Women and children are abused right here in the US....until we fix that, we do not need to be trying to cure other's problems. We are being invaded through the US-Mexico border and our government is powerless (or seem to be) to stop that...so, we do not need to be protecting anyone elses borders. Our economy sucks big time...so, we do not need to be pumping US taxpayer dollars into anyone elses economy. Our infrastructures are crumbling around us...so, we do not need to be building, repairing infrastructures in any other country. Take care of the US with the US Taxpayer dollars, bring our troops home to protect our US borders, and stay out of the middle east...they hate us already!
Thank you. A little isolationism for the moment would NOT be a bad thing. We need to be taking care of our own NOW. As for the government not taking care of the border - ask the president. HE is the one who keeps suing the states to stop taking care of THEIR borders. Ask him WHY.
I would hope that our government would stay out of the Middle East and let them fight their own battles. We are tired to funding wars that are not our own. It really doesn't make a difference whether we are there or not. They hate us just as much when we are trying to help them as not help them Let them fight with each other. They can't very well accuse of us of interferring if we pull out and stay out, now can they.... Why should we bother with their agendas and scewed sense of what is right....like killing is the right thing to do whenever someone doesn't agree with you????? We need to bring the troops home and stop allowing them to be killed, hurt and let them fight their own war. We have not changed one thing in how many years?????
OPTION 1 - Reign down on Assad's armored military, heavy rockets and heavy canons with drone strikes (some Air Force). Surgical removal of Assad's ground dominance. Even the playing field for the opposition so they can fight it out with the pro-gov't thugs and Assad's military............... mano y mano.......... small arms fire, RPGs, mortars and machine guns. Let them have their civil war. We had ours!!!!!
Time for a gut check. Call Russia and China's bluff by doubling down. The 1% are trying to squeeze everything out of the 99% anyway.
OPTION 2 - One well placed NUC on Assad's capitol. Many WOMEN and CHILDREN are dying anyway. We did it in Japan and look at the recovery. Time to repeat history. SCREW THE U.N...... They want to disarm Americans by erasing our RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS.................. and I will bet Russia and China would vote in FAVOR of that U.N. resolution. To hell with them.
OPTION 3 - Get the hell out of the middle east. Get the hell out of the UN. Get the hell out of TOTAL GLOBALIZATION. Do business with only our long-time allies (Great Britain, most Euro nations, Japan, Canada, Australia... etc). Defend OUR BORDERS. Warn the world that any large scale organized attack on the US (such as 911) and it's long time allies will result in a nuclear missile in your nations capitol.
Announce to the world that we recognize that OIL is a military strategic commodity..... and that any NON-ally nation trying to dominate that commodity through trade or force will be terminated by Air power or drone strikes wherever applicable.
Saudi Arabia will join us FULL FORCE or be left UNDEFENDED by US military might. We ARE the world's most destructive power............................ PERIOD. If too many in the world are willing to destroy America then the "SLEEPING GIANT" might as well wake up and raise hell.
reign down? rein down? rain down? So many ranes, so little time.
The bombs the US dropped on Japan in 1945 were NOT nuclear bombs, they were atomic bombs.
I like option 3 the best.