because this will help to bring justice

Well, if they didn't report the rebels' story, then we'd only have the Syrian government's propaganda to go on, and we'd all probably be cheering a beleaguered government force fighting to liberate helpless Syrian citizens held hostage by pointlessly violent Saudi/Israeli terrorists.

I don't know if the rebels are telling the truth about the massacres. But I reflexively distrust media sources that are controlled by governments. So as far as I'm concerned the rebels' "propaganda" reported by our private media is far more reliable and trustworthy than the excuses coming from Assad's palace.

"our private media" haha, yeah right. You mean the same media that fabricated artillery fire in an interview in Libya?

Hey, I'm glad of all the people who approve of killing children. Have you killed some yourself? Is that why?

Not saying that we should immediately invade Syria or something stupid like that. But basically, anyone who supports Assad and wants to use not believing media as a reason, sounds as ignorant as a Muslim extremist who only believes the Iranian cleric he listens to when he goes to his mosque.

The Rebels, Al Qaeda included, who are trying to topple the Assad Regime are the ones that are slaughtering the government supporters before they move out after they get shelled.

And now Paine McCain wants to get some more U.S. young adults killed by getting involved.

Anything to help Israel who now only has two governments, neither of them forminable, Iran and Syria against them in Mid-East.

Our Free Press looks at itself 1953

In 1953, in a toast before the New York Press Club, John Swinton, former Chief of Staff of the New York Times and the "Dean of his Profession" stated: (part extracted)

"If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone. The business of journalists is to destroy the truth; to pervert; to vilify; to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell this country and this race for their daily bread. We are the tools and vessels for rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."

Because they know we will send troops in.

Lets send a drone over there and kill this guy and move on............

Sending over drones with suitable Turkish or Saudi markings 24/7 to knock out Assad's tanks would help.

Dropping off some NATO surplus early-model Carl Gustaf recoilless rifles complete with suitable no name brand ammunition would also keep Assad's tank crews wary.

Jim Reality -- Because it sells papers. As long as the Rebels (Activist), who started this Civil War, continue to attack the Government forces from the towns and villages the towns and villages will likewise be attacked. The Rebels have to stop using non-combatants as "Human Shields". Since the massacres are happening in areas occupied by the Rebels, maybe there are divisions among the Rebels and the terrorist groups themselves causing the executions. The Government is under intense scrutiny and it is not in their best interest to "execute citizens". The Rebels on the other hand, have everything to gain by blaming these massacres on the Government.

The Syrian army was on Thursday shelling more towns

Syrian army firing on civilians......sounds just like Obama using drones to kill women and children civilians. What the difference? Answer: Nothing, they are both mass murders!!

Thats exactly what I think! I know a Syrian who has family in Syria. She is completly frustrated with the media.

why are you supporting a hitler like crude cruel dictator that tortures in children before killing them? Freedom has its price.

Sunni Syrian rebels are supported by Saudi inventions like al-Qaida, MB and Sunni Saudi & co.

One rebel's account forms the basis of this news report!

Syrian rebels have more credibility than Assad's.

Did we not see these before Iraqi wars?

Zathrose

The Syrian army was on Thursday shelling more towns

Syrian army firing on civilians......sounds just like Obama using drones to kill women and children civilians. What the difference? Answer: Nothing, they are both mass murders!!

I'm no fan of the big o but that is skyhigh hyperbole!

Classic strawman begging the question

Hello folks, when will we discard ourImperialistic mindset? This is just another ploy by the U.S. and the
U.N. to perpetrate the war mongering and demonizing as the U.S. istrying to drum up more support for another war. We’ve caused enoughtrouble around the world. If you can't see that we are the instigators in most of the world's wars and displacement of millionsof people who are fleeing our aggression, than you are not payingattention. If you don’t think we have been in Syria covertly arming
the rebels you are in denial and forgetting about Libya. We need to
stay out of other country’s civil disputes. I hope we aren’t
going to go against the United Nations vote earlier this year and
unilaterally go into Syria under the pretext that we need to stop the
violence like we did in Libya. General Wesley Clark has stated that a
Syria invasion has been pre-planned for quite awhile.

General Wesley Clark: "America will
take out 7 countries in 5 years"

According to Former NATO supreme allied
commander, former presidential candidate and 4 star US General Wesley
Clark that they had received a memo that America is going to take out
7 countries in the Middle East starting with Iraq, Libya, Syria
Lebanon Sudan, Somalia, and finally Iran. It is amazing how these
things that were planned years ago and even though it is taking
longer than originally planned, are being achieved in front of our
eyes.

Why is it other countries feel like they have
to defend their territory? Could it be that they know we have no
problem invading their sovereignty just as we have done to countless
other countries. Since World War II, 90% of the casualties of war are
unarmed civilians. 1/3 of them children. Our victims have done
nothing to us. From Palestine to Afghanistan to Iraq to Somalia to
wherever our next target may be, their murders are not collateral
damage, they are the nature of modern warfare. They don't hate us
because of our freedoms. They hate us because every day we are
funding and committing crimes against humanity. The so-called "war
on terror" is a cover for our military aggression to gain
control of the resources of western Asia.

This is sending the poor of this country to
kill the poor of those Muslim countries. This is trading blood for
oil. This is genocide, and to most of the world, we are the
terrorists. In these times, remaining silent on our responsibility to
the world and its future is criminal. And in light of our complicity
in the supreme crimes against humanity in Iraq and Afghanistan, and
ongoing violations of the U.N. Charter in International Law, how dare
any American criticize the actions of legitimate resistance to
illegal occupation.

We are going into Syria for a couple of reasons
(yes we are in Syria with our Drones at a minimum), one, we are
trying to dislodge Russia from there because they have a foothold in
the Middle East via two military bases in Latakia and Tartus in
Syria. Two, Syria is a strong ally of Iran. If we invade Syria we
take out a strong ally and maybe incite Iran to assist giving the
U.S. the reason they are looking for to attack Iran. The ultimate
goal is to surround, weaken and to invade Iran. The petro dollar is
at stake as other countries are switching to other forms of currency
in buying Iran’s oil.

Since the Russian war in 1828, Iran has never
attacked another country. We on the other hand have attacked to name
a few:
Libya, Iran, Nicaragua, Haiti, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia,
Angola, Mozambique, Honduras, Chile, Congo, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan,
Iraq, Lebanon, Somalia, Angola, Columbia, Peru, Panama, Yemen,
Pakistan, Grenada, Mexico, etc..

Wake up people we are being herded down the
Military Industrial Complex gauntlet again to another false war to
enrich the greedy Corporations and distract the American people. Did
we not learn anything from the Iraq war where we have killed well
over 1 million Iraqi people, lost thousands of American lives and God
knows how many hundreds of billions of dollars?

Who do you support, humanity or the greedy
elite?

Many of our soldiers don't fight for America,
they fight for their lives and their buddies beside them, because we
put them in a war zone. They're not defending our freedoms, they're
laying the foundation for permanent military bases to defend the
freedoms of Exxon Mobil and British Petroleum.

Face it we're Imperialists pure and simple. The
elite look down on all of us as expendable chattel.

"Military men are dumb, stupid animals to
be used as pawns for foreign policy" Henry Kissinger

I’m not asking you to hate war,
but to love peace? War, what is it good for, absolutely nothing!

And you call yourself a proud American Vet?

While it may not be "your" problem, we will not stand by idly while innocent women and children are slaughtered. Also, the conflict could easily boil over and create a huge war in the middle east.

I'm just as tired of war as everyone else is, but we cannot sit idly by and watch this happen much longer. I would prefer the matter was resolved using Arab nation troops, but that is highly unlikely.

It is better than many Muslim nations.

Are you forgetting Afghanistan, Pakistan, Sudan, Somalia, Iraq, Bahrain, Libya, Tunisia and many other nations?

In order to qualify for WW3, you'd have to draw in more than just the US and a few irritatetd local Middle Eastern nations. At the very least, Russia would have to declare war against the US - a laughably stupid thing to do just to keep a single foreign port, even an important one - and China would probably have to be involved somehow. Really, I know hyperbole is second nature to netizens, but please don't toss around the term "World War" like some catchy headline. Conflicts of those scale actually mean something.

And not to put too fine a point on it, but as united as the world is in condemning the atrocities, it's also pretty united in NOT wanting to invade/attack/"no-fly zone" Syria. If we seriously wanted in, we'd be in already.

I think you kinda missed my point.

Here was my point: It's propaganda - and the world is looking for a way out of the economic meltdown - and a world war has been the way out before. Call it hyperbole if you want to - but look at what supposedly started WW1: a single assassination in a European country. That wasn't the real reason - the real reason involved econonomics. But that's another discussion.

Russia is already sending units into Syria - not widely reported, but it's happening (and that's not hard to find). And China is already involved as the original article mentioned. So yeh - it's shaping up that way. It's not just some little "irritatetd[sic] local Middle Eastern nations." It's already worse than you think.

So call it hyperbole if you want: I'm sure when Archduke Ferdinand got shot, nobody thought that tiny incident would set off a world war. For that matter, it was only a year after Germany and Russia's joint invasion into Poland that all of Europe was pretty much embroiled in WW2 - with Germany and Russia as enemies.

And my real point was this: THEY want war. It's a way out of this economic mess. And there's nothing any of us can do about it.

Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and call hyperbole. Calling the entire WWI a rather unsightly bit of economic stimulus rather ignores the fact that all of Europe treated territorial wars as something of a hobby until the creation of the UN and subsequently the EU. It also completely ignores the differences between the WWI-II era and the modern age; the economic damage caused by the sudden severance of trade with another major country (such as Russia or China) ALONE would do more damage than a war could possibly compensate for, putting aside the damaged infrastructure and loss of perfectly good workers and supplies. The idea that war is even an effective economic stimulant is highly disputed. This stuff isn't obscure knowledge, and I'm sure that "THEY", whoever "THEY" are, know it. I don't see any way that a major conflict is coming out of this, much less a world war.

So, actually, hyperbole is a euphamism. But the better word I have for your theory isn't very polite, so I'll stick with hyperbole.

I agree with you on some points.

Syria is a nice weapon for now to divert economic mess at home right now!

Instead of worrying about jobs, sick and elderly, most are busy on Syria!

After Syria, there will be focus on Iran and manipulations of oil prices higher and higer.

Then it will be worst economic mess.

Then it is time for WWIII.

That's an awful lot of hard-to-read ranting, but it doesn't really cast much doubt on this story. The ONLY people saying that the government-backed militias and troops didn't commit the massacre is the Syrian government. The rebels certainly don't have access to the artillery used to shell the villages first. The rebels also have far more to lose from harming civilians, who make up their support network and recruit pool. The rebels have less ability to control the flow of information. It's pretty convenient that you can so easily dismiss everything our free press reports on Syria as "rebel propaganda" while the government (traditionally and historically the source of most propaganda in the world, ever) reports are apparently good as gold to you. I don't know why you're so buddy-buddy with murderous dictators (other than the Christian thing, I suppose. Curious that Christian lives are apparently more valuable than Muslim ones), but your attempts to constantly portray poor Assad, with nothing but vast government resources, an alliance with Iran and Russia, and his considerable army, as a hapless victim of evil foreigners and a private-sector smear campaign is quite sickening.

Also, it would seem that the rebel interviewed here was a defector from the regular army. Quite an odd decision, to desert a perfectly just and noble leader who totally isn't slaughtering his civilians to join an invasion by foreign terrorists (as you and the Syrian government keep insisting is the case). Maybe they have a good pension plan (something about virgins? You don't get that from a 401K!).

Of course the rebels don't have the artillery used to shell a village, that is why they had to come back and retract that story and admit that the 120+ people in the massacre were not killed by artillery as had been originally reported, but instead had been executed at close range, the rebels certainly do have the small arms necessary to execute people at close range. This is all a farce, our government is telling Assad that he cannot use his military to stop a rebellion in Syria, while at the same time they are passing laws here at home that says that they can use our military to put down a rebellion in the US.

"The ONLY people saying that the government-backed militias and troops didn't commit the massacre is the Syrian government."

That's utter BS. Even your precious so-called "free press" (which illustrates how delusional you are) is using terms like "allegedly." No, it's not ONLY the Syrian government saying that: Russia and China are both questioning the reports. In fact, google "lies about Syria" and you'll find that these so-called "free press" reports are spewed out with little to no validity at all.

I remember the original report saying that an artillery barrage had preceded the massacre, not that the massacre WAS caused by artillery. A random barrage into an urban or semi-urban environment isn't likely to have that number of casualties. It would be pretty obvious whether or not there was an artillery barrage, though (they're not subtle weapons).

I'm not sure how serious you are about it being "a farce" but this isn't the US telling off Assad, it's almost the entire world. Most activity against Syria is discussed and organized by the UN, an organization infamous for its inclusion of totalitarians and corrupt warlords in its discussion. Even if you totally distrust American news, so does Russia and China, and I don't see them declaring that the whole conflict is a "farce".

"Even your precious so-called "free press" (which illustrates how delusional you are)"

Oh, do tell. And I imagine that your ideal media would be controlled by... hmmm... what's the only other organizations capable of managing a proper media network other than private companies? Oh, that's right! The government! If you want to see bad Google lists, try looking up something like "lies of government media".

Unless you're suggesting that our media IS in fact controlled by the government (it's rather hard to tell, when you just insult me rather than stating your actual point), in which case Thank you sir, that will be all (insert derisive snort).

SF accountant ... I see you are still as dumb as I remember . I might rant or whatever you call it .... So you mean to tell that the US killing their own troops in Afghanistan and Iraq , Because Alqaeda and the Taliban's Do not have heavy weapons . you know That,s what's wrong with us here , People like you , I remember seeing your name on Sara Palin Adviser's list . These Thugs in Syria are killing and terrorizing civilians just like the Mexican drug lords terrorizing Civilians and killing them , If you take your nose out your aasssss and read other news beside CNN and FOX AND ALJAZEERA, AL ARABIA . YOU WILL FIND THAT THESE INNOCENTS REBELS OF YOURS KILLING THE CHRISTIANS AND BURNING THEIR CHURCH'S . But off course the rebel sources forgot to mention that to you . And Hillary Can not keep her story straight , One minute the Syrians shelled these people then they changed their minds after the monitors went in there with the Syrian troops and said they killed from shots to their heads and were decapitated , You know they can not even keep their lies straight . and I like to know on which TV station you saw that interview , They had an interview on Aljazeera with a Syrian civilian crying about losing his home and family , And next day he was the leader of the thugs that kidnapped the Lebanese civilians on the border of Turkey and Syria . You see smart man , Its all fabricated , I thought the Internet might in-light some people about the things that happens over seas , But I forgot about the technology they can use to show pictures from wrong places and two different country , Aljazeera and Al Arabia and Mr. Anderson Cooper had mastered that .

Our Free Press looks at itself 1953--

In 1953, in a toast before the New York Press Club, John Swinton, former Chief of Staff of the New York Times and the "Dean of his Profession" stated: (part extracted)

"If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone. The business of journalists is to destroy the truth; to pervert; to vilify; to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell this country and this race for their daily bread. We are the tools and vessels for rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."

Hillary's dances indicate that Jewish lobby has set Syria as the immediate target.

Saudis, oil companies and their lobbyists like John McCain, Bushes and co are also busy in their dances and dramas just like Iraq.

If any rulers in the world qualify to be thrown out, they are the most despotic, autocratic and bigoted Sunni Saudi (a ruler with 5000 princes and princesses and more captive slave girls and women to enjoy), Kuwaiti, UAE and other Arab League Sunni rulers.

If they are better than Assad, one of the best ME rulers, then anythng is right!

Before November elections, most probably there will be Syrian intervention.

So most will be busy discussing about Syrian war.

With slogans like "tax the rich", "increase welfare" and so on Democrats will keep some busy.

For Republicans, it will be "austerity measures" (those who have home but no jobs should live in streets), "reducing tax on rich for job creations" and so on regular lectures, dances and dramas.

All problems solved: no economic mess, no unemployment problems and or low wages, not enough health care for the sick and elderly!

All President's Men movie being replayed!

Problem is, not everyone thinks your religion is that great, therefore we have no problems with killing terrorists, and their whole families. And we have people (12) sit on a jury, and they listen to the evidence, witnesses, and a judge sits their making sure the letter of the law is followed.

Islam does not prohibit murder, it incourages the murder of other religion, known as unbelievers. So you keep your religion, I'll keep mine, and if you don't preach about it, I won't either.

Islam has various interpretations of its texts, just like Christianity. So it's not accurate to say it encourages the murder of other religious groups.

That said, you don't see a lot of Christians trying to wage war against other religions nowadays (most of them got that out of their system a few centuries ago), while you do see that in an awful lot of Muslims.

Of course, the most curious thing is that despite the "don't kill a believer" prohibition mentioned above, violent Muslims' most common target is other Muslims that follow a slightly different teaching.

Agnosticism is nice. Very relaxing. You should give it a shot.

SallyAnn- "we have people sit on a jury, and they listen to the evidence, witnesses, and a judge sits there making sure the letter of the law is followed"

Yeah, or we keep them in prisons for years overseas and in Cuba, torture them, and then hold their trials in a secret military tribunal. Or better yet, our president decides they are guilty and we fly a drone over their house and kill everyone in the vicinity. Yes we are so much more civilized.

"Yeah, or we keep them in prisons for years overseas and in Cuba, torture them, and then hold their trials in a secret military tribunal. Or better yet, our president decides they are guilty and we fly a drone over their house and kill everyone in the vicinity. Yes we are so much more civilized."

Well, I'm sure you meant that as sarcasm, but that DOES actually seem far more civilized than shelling a town and then having armed thugs go from house to house shooting and cutting people up. So I think you should choose a different example.

I get your point, though. "Guantanimo BAD." Gotcha.

SF acct You and your dumb facts . The facts are Syrian press being blacked out by the Arabs league , So the lying AlJAZEERA AND aL arabia and if you may CNN , Anderson Cooper had a reporter from Libya and if you search more you will find that reporter in pictures with Alqaeda fighters in Libya , That are wanted by the US government , And he called them the freedom fighters of Libya . and Arwen Damon of CNN was smuggled into Syria with these fine rebels . So when Cooper talks and lie , nobody here knows any better. What you i do Rant . OK Cooper Rant and you will think , oh this guy telling the truth and he knows what he talking about , So let me ask PETER , Do still Believe General Powell claim about the WMD in Iraq and all these pictures of the Chemical Trucks he showed then ? that;s all what i want you to Answer .

My Turn,

Many Al-Qaeda fighters are from Libya. Why would they not return to help free their country when their families are being slaughtered? You would do the same if America was under occupation. Just because they are with Al-Qaeda does not mean they were not also fighting to free Libya for the right reasons.

Not everything is black and white. Most evil beings in this world operate in the gray area of society where one man's hero is anothers terrorist.

Well Geowil I am glad somebody at least admitted that Alqaeda was in Libya fighting with the Rebels , And off course we were helping the rebels along with NATO and the Saudis and Qataris . So we were helping the dammed Alqaeda , That's what I am trying to tell you for months now . And these same fighters which they are on the Saudis and Qataris payroll have being moved to Syria to fight the Syrian government . How hard is it to understand , and that on the request of our Dear Friends the Saudis and Qataris and little money off course , we Helping to arm these thugs . thank you .

IN BEFORE OBLIGATORY paid TROLLS (Whose name will have lots of numbers in it and have absolutely no meaning at all)

-WHO- certainly don't stand out like sore thumbs - stumbling idiots - for the rest of the world to painfully acknowledge because it's sort of like trying to wear Woodland Camouflage in the middle of a Toy Store.

Also, 9/11, NEVARH FORGET.

WMD,

Yellow Cake

Mission Accomplished

Turning the Corner

"Slam Dunk"

Curve Ball

Sergeant Kill

Pat Tillman

Torture Sites

Only Country to -ever- use nuclear weapon again another country

OBLIGATORY LIST of hundreds of horrible bungling errors that the US Government / Media choose to bizarrely "ignore" like some sort of stupid 9 year old child.

Wow, you've got so much crazy and angry that it took you three posts to get it all out. I don't see that often.

Wait, no, you've even got a fourth one down there. Nice. You go to a separate post when your rant diverges from reality in a completely different direction than your previous posts. That's almost admirable, in a "he's a rather nice sociopath isn't he? Show him to one of the nicer padded rooms" way.

Any words for the Syrian army or the government at all, or are you just assuming they're telling the truth, just as you're simply assuming that our media is lying?

But SF Accountant, you've not once questioned the validity of the controlled media that you read. Your earlier post said that the ONLY people questioning whether the Assad forces committed the massacre was the Syrian government.....Uh, no....the ONLY source you have is the corporate-controlled government-issued BS you're fed, and you assume that's "everybody." There are all kinds of people questioning the validity of the report. Know what's funny? In a couple of weeks, it might be found out that this was a complete fabrication - and what a surprise - you won't find a single headline retracting the story.

This is how propaganda works.

Bob Bobarino You are wasting your time , This jerk SF does not listen , The Syrian government Media being Blacked out by all the Arab league countries , So their ALJAZZERA and ALarabia and CNN can put out wherever lies they want . Assad is so stupid, He invite the UN monitors into Syria then Commit a Massacre , Knowing that Hillary and McCain and all the Arab and NATO watching him , And then when every body wants to Attack!!! Guess what he do again ??? He commits another massacre In front of the monitors and then he shoots as the monitors as they are coming in to investigate so said the rebel sources and their Syrian human right in London ( IN LONDON ) Next time something happens in the US , I am going to Mexico to ask what really happened . Or it sound like if you are asking one of the republican Senators about the good job that Mr Obama doing . You know SF I have to give examples because you so far out .

Bob if you do not trust in controlled media why believe what the Syrian state media tells you in the first place? Controlled media is controlled media, it does not matter where it comes from. And btw, the USA does not have controlled media, not by a long shot.

Our media looks at itself in 1953---has not changed gee i wish it was not so geowil

In 1953, in a toast before the New York Press Club, John Swinton, former Chief of Staff of the New York Times and the "Dean of his Profession" stated: (part extracted)

"If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone. The business of journalists is to destroy the truth; to pervert; to vilify; to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell this country and this race for their daily bread. We are the tools and vessels for rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."

There are no reporters just show business goons.

Well you know what they say, when the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem must be treated like a nail.

The Syrian Free Army does not have access to artillery and heavy tanks. Who do you think shelled the cities? why have the prisoners not been freed? Why are reporters still being denied entry? Why are heavy troops not called back to their bases?

Assad has NO intention of following the peace plan. He is crushing opposition....

Ever hear of a General Curtis Lemay

Firebombed and killed hundreds of thousands of civilians in Tokyo

Knew it was civilian targets

But he did it for us so that is good

I dont see how is that good!! you never imagined yourself part of those innocent people or your family perhaps! how would you feel? is that good for you? I still dont get your F... Point! you make no since!

if Assad had real Balls, he would fight those who s fighting him not innocent people , women and children

I dont call people like him a men, they are coward and should be killed or lucked up for good

BS.... who is being arrested for talking?

Also, your half&half statement reveals much about your personality...

I put alot more weight in the international community media than Assad's government news agency, thats for sure!!

Agree with what you stated. However, in the end, it is the Muslim Brotherhood will be the winner.