That is why Egypt is still living in the dark ages.

The men over there are so screwed up that they believe that the dumbest man is smarter than the smartest woman. Until they realize the potential of women, they will continue to be a 3rd world nation.

This is the result when the west and the UN blindly support so called rebels without bothering to find out who they actually are. The west and the UN threw Mubarak under the bus in favor of the "rebel" who were rally nothing more than Islamists led by the Muslim Brotherhood who simply wanted to seize control for themselves and turn Egypt into an Islamic republic. Egypt is now firmly in the hands of these fanatic Islamists who are going to turn back the clock on women's rights in Egypt by hundred of years in the matter of a few months. Egypt has reverted back to where most women can not leave their own homes unless they are accompanied by a male relative. Girls are no longer being allowed to go to school. The Muslim Brotherhood has made it clear that they plan on reinstituting female genital mutilation that had been outlawed by Mubarak. Women have once again been reduced to second class citizens in Egypt who are seen as little more than the property of men. Thank you so much UN and western leaders for helping Egypt to get out from under Mubarak so that it could return to the dark ages. Another fall out has been the loss of religious freedom in Egypt. Under Mubarak people were pretty much able to worship as they chose with Muslims, Coptic Christians, and people of other religions lived sde by side in relative peace. Now there is increasing religious violence with non-Muslims being persecuted and attacked by Islamist fanatics. The icing on the cake is that the Muslim Brotherhood has made it clear that they intend to abrogate the peace treaty with Israel, potentially destabilizing the entire Middle East and provoking another 1967 style Arab-Israeli war. Mubarak was a relatively benign secular dictator and his government allowed for many freedoms that have now been lost with the handover of power to these Islamists. This is not an improvement. The repression that was claimed that conned the UN and western powers into supporting the overthrow of Mubarak was really Mubarak's attempts to keep these Islamist fanatics under control so they could not seize power and do exactly what they are doing now. Mubarak was not persecuting the people of Egypt, he was trying to protect them from these fanatics. The problem is that the UN and western governments never bothered to understand exactly what was going on before they threw Mubarak under the bus. Now the people of Egypt are going to end up paying the price. In their ignorance they allowed the Muslim Brotherhood to gain control and Egypt has taken a huge step backwards in human rights. Now that these Islamists have control they will do whatever they have to in order to maintain that control.

JS in SD,

You continually prove to me just how little you know about the Egyptian people and what transpired during the Revolution. I was there for the entire Revolution, and I can assure you that it was NOT started by the Muslim Brotherhood. It was begun by students, liberals and intellectuals. Their goals were high and honorable, but they did not follow through. The Muslim Brotherhood highjacked the Revolution AFTER Mubarak stepped down, they never had the courage to force his resignation. Why don't you limit yourself to talking about what you know from personal experience, rather than whatever rumors you choose to believe?

a woman molested by hundreds of men

Can it get more perverted than this people? I mean really! I believe a new human species has been discovered ladies and gentlemen - but wait the anthropologists will need a proper name for classification purposes, how about Mohammedahomo. Characteristics include, tail, missing head, banana up ass, tiny wiener.

No Kate, the ears rise up above the top of the head. The top of the head starts just above the eyebrows. Very flat.

Why can't the just rape each other wild?

The men who attacked these women are despicable, worthless women haters. Democracy and freedom is impossible with this kind of men ... but I must also salute the courage of the honorable men who tried to protect them. God bless them.

Do you want to do something to help at least a little? We donate on average of 1.2 Billion dollars of our hard earned American money to Egypt every single year. Those are tax dollars right out of my pocket and your pocket. Write or call your congressman and demand that Egypt write laws against sexual harassment of women immediately or the U.S. pulls any and all funding. WE will also encourage other civilized nations to pull their funding.

There is a large group of women in Egypt trying to get strong anti-sexual harassment laws on the books so then they can work with police to enforce the laws ( which now don't exist) You can't arrest someone for something that is completely legal

To these sick disgusting animals that want to call themselves "men" I hope you all rot in a very hot afterlife. There are many wonderful Egyptian men ( and women) but this group of cretins deserve death.

Singbiker, you may be right that the Students were not influenced by the Muslim Brotherhood, but you basically agreed with JS when you admitted that it was hijacked by them. I feel that your just looking at a reason to criticize him when in fact the results have been the same. The sad thing is that the Muslim Brotherhood will probably easily win the election for President, already has a strong position in the Parliament and will more than likely have complete control of the nation if they succeed in purging the army.

We can expect to hear a lot more from the Brotherhood if all this happens. The only solution for this hijacked revolution is for the revolutionaries to elect Shafik as president, thus forcing the two extremes to compromise and meet in the middle until the next election (since they destroyed themselves by having 3 candidates and not uniting behind 1) Sadly I don't see that happening, the moderate islamists have already declared their support for the Brotherhood, and there has been talk of the revolutionaries boycotting in protest. If that happens, then the Brotherhood will have the most impact on the new constitution of Egypt, and we will see if the revolution will ever get a second chance to fix it.

They do not respect women because they have fathers that hit, beat and yell at their mother's.. this is all these men know, violence toward women is normal to them because they grew up with this violence toward their own mother's and sister's

The arab world need to get rid of religion, so they can start living in normal and democratic societies.

Religion is a disease that need to be eradicated.

They do not respect women because in a land where resources are scarce and war over land is unending, men are the vital resource. Without them there is no protection. Women, on the other hand, are easily acquired and replaced. They have yet to overcome this natural interpretation of people that grows out of their environment. It's up to the women to cut them off entirely. It's up to all of us to share the abundance of the world and keep the peace so that Women's real value can become apparent.......

poodlefan- Religion will take its place in the recesses of history only when humans become enlightened enough to stop partaking of it on their own. First they will have to understand spirituality, a natural human faculty as distinct from religion, a human institution that organizes and manipulates the spiritual faculty. It's not up to Governments to end religions, unless you are happy to give over your free will to them. The best thing any of us can do for humanity is to continue the communication and education revolution. These things take time.

God bless these fearless women and men. let us all pray together for them. with God all things are possible when there seems to be little hope.

Want to bet on that?

The rape capital of the world is Lesotho. 90% Christian ~ with 23.6% of the population infected with AIDS, one of the highest percentages in the world.

As in most African countries, a female has no power, authority, right, or privilege, unless it is granted by a male. A wife is the property of her husband. However, women play a powerful role through their religious organizations and societies and have attained suffrage.

Lesotho is the largest exporter of garments to the US from sub-Saharan Africa, servicing Foot Locker, Gap, Gloria Vanderbilt, JCPenny, Levi Strauss, Saks, Sears, Timberland and Wal-Mart.

Agreed 100%.

Absolutely agreed ! Sexual harassment and sexism must be fought even here in the U.S. where it is not as blatant but still exist. Young women need to get an education, work hard, stand strong , speak loud and learn how to fire a weapon.

It is crazy how many women live in fear even in the U.S. They live alone and don't sleep well at night ----Go buy a gun, go to the shooting range ( its way fun!) and never miss another nights sleep again. You never hear of women out shooting up schools or malls----we don't have the blind rage that plagues men. Most women have been conditioned that guns are dangerous----if you learn to use them they are no more dangerous than any other tool out in your garage and can save your life.

It never hurts to look good in a bikini.

Here in the US 1 out of 6 women will be a victim of sexual violence in their life( Some people rate it closer to 1 out of 4 based on lack of these victims reporting these crimes). For Native American Women, its 1 out of 3. When you factor in physical violence that is 50 %, thats right 1 out of 2 native women will be a victim of physical abuse. Native american women expirence physical or sexual violence that any other group of people, except native men. They see higher rates than that of African Americans.

You are so right!!! Because men who are not Muslim never ogle women, attack or rape women do they. Guess they are all Muslims that populate our jails and prisons.

You are having a bad night aren't you.

In some districts of England and Scotland 68-74% of crimes against women are perpetrated by "Asians", the PC term for muslims.

In some districts of England and Scotland 68-74% of crimes against women are perpetrated by "Asians", the PC term for muslims.

and in some sections of Harlem and Watts nearly ll crimes arr committed by African Americans. Not to be confused with China where well over 84 percent of the crimes are committed by Chinese.

Just generally speaking, women are safer in Muslim countries than they are in our own...until they try to become fully functioning human beings. These women are courageous beyond belief. I wish them the best.

William-360414 - Yes, welcome them here to the US. Pinning the bad treatment of woman to one religion and that religion to all people is what we call 'pre judging' or 'prejudice'. See, it works like this:

"I doubt they'd want their woman to join your 'Christian' daughters and Paris Hilton in making blow job videos on the Internet".

See how that works? Religion has little to do with it, and it sounds pretty stupid. Now get a clue.

U.S. Prison population:

Catholic                31.432%
Protestant              28.097%
None/Atheist/Unknown    19.908%
Muslim                   5.837%

Number of men in prison for rape and honor killings in Muslim countries.

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"O You who believe! You are forbidden to inherit women against their will, and you should not treat them with harshness,… And live with them honorably. If you dislike them, it may be that you dislike a thing and Allah brings through it a great deal of good."

In Pakistan, Benazir Bhutto served as Prime Minister twice (non-consecutively), while the United States has yet to allow a woman into even the vice presidential position.

You can use all the statistics and apologies for Muslims you want to try to make your point, but I have never ever seen 'waves and waves of hundreds of men' attack one woman here in America. You can find the occasional Neanderthal anywhere, anytime, but only in the Muslim countries can you find them in 'wave after wave'!

I agree. It is easy to say you believe in this or that but it is seen by how you live your life.

"A tree is known by the fruit it bears" Jesus Christ

Ah, you do know the "religion" under discussion approves of sexual intercourse with nine year old wives. Please let say that again, SEXUAL INTERCOURSE WITH A NINE YEAR OLD.

Virtually all the rapes in Sweden are by Muslims. White Australian girls are attacked on the beaches by Muslim gangs who say it is the girls' fault for "tempting good Muslim young men."

THESE ARE SAVAGES.

@Wilderness

I think you are suffering from cabin fever. Reading form the Rush Limbaugh script of propaganda.

Ah, you do know the "religion" under discussion approves of sexual intercourse with nine year old wives. Please let say that again, SEXUAL INTERCOURSE WITH A NINE YEAR OLD.

B.S. It is an issue about arranged marriage when the arrangement is made between parents. It was not uncommon in 1800s and early 1900s in this country that girls as young as 12 married. They were considered bound ( or as we say in these here parts "spoken for")

When you look at those ages also reflect on the fact that average live expectancy back then was 47.

in the future, when bias and bigotry could your reason, just remember you can never make someone else seem bad revealing yourself to be an ignorant fool.

proudmoron, marriages weren't consummated at 12! Marriages in Muslim societies are consummated at a young age even if that results in the death-by-rape of the "bride," as the 13 yr old in Yemen. Mohammed married a 6 yr old and raped the girl at 9! And that's the standard practiced by these people. Besides, more than 90% of the women in Egypt have suffered female genital mutilation, so they get no sexual satisfaction and intercourse is painful.

AND IT'S THE 21st CENTURY! These monsters have automatic weapons and the internet. Think they could learn to give women freedom?

rachel-3673200

Virtually all the rapes in Sweden are by Muslims. White Australian girls are attacked on the beaches by Muslim gangs who say it is the girls' fault for "tempting good Muslim young men."

Sadly this is true.

rachel, in history, many marriages were consummated as soon as the girl got her first period. That was the sign of becoming a woman. Lady Margaret Beaufort was married at twelve, and gave birth at thirteen. That son became King Henry VII. By the late 1800's and early 1900's, the age of marriage and consummation was usually between fourteen and seventeen, but in more rural areas, twelve and thirteen year old brides were still common.

Misscreant. We are not talking only about 12 year old (which is too young anyway, no matter how it was in the past), we are talking even younger then that, here I quote Khomeini in 1990:

“A Muslim man can have sexual pleasure with a little girl as young as a baby. But he should not penetrate her vaginally, however he can sodomize her”. (Tehriro vasyleh, fourth edition, Qom, Iran, 1990)

About Margaret Beaufort; I would also like to add that she almost died giving birth because of her young age.

Oh, so what. Examples of one are examples of one. Being of (quasi)-royal blood, her marriages were political, not economic or of the whim of an old man like the child brides of Afghanistan (rural Pakistan/Iran/Turkey/Iraq/Yemen/etc.) She was actually married previously and it was annulled. By canon law SHE could have dissolved the marriage as she was married too young. Unlike the Muslim brides disfigured by acid and having their noses cut off for wanting to leave their marriage.

Also, if I must note, Anna, you're talking ~650 YEARS ago! And royal shenanigans. We're talking about today! About abuses against women that can be stopped NOW. Don't be a Muslim apologist in the name of PCdom. Women are suffering TODAY.

And in this country, if a girl is pregnant at 12, someone's going to jail, not on to their next plural marriage!

Anna! Sorry, missed your "it's okay in Islam to have sex with a baby" post--you're no apologist.

I was simply making the point that in history, even up to recent times, some girls married, and had sex, quite young. I did not say it was right, nor did I condone it. rachel claimed marriages were not consummated at twelve, and I was just addressing that claim.

Misscreant: You're still missing the main point: that IN THIS DAY AND AGE, THIS CENTURY, ISLAM ALLOWS THE RAPE OF CHILDREN. THAT'S RIGHT, THE MEN GET AWAY WITH IT.

Some places in Muslim countries, they put raped little girls in jail for "fornication." Who cares what happened in the olden days here? You're just obfuscating or attempting to do so.

No problem Rachel :) and you are 100% right.

you're no apologist.

And no, definitely not, I think women are treated very unfairly in most (if not all) muslim countries - let's say some are worse then others - (and/or muslim areas or even some families in western countries). They are victims in so many ways. For instance, women are victims of honor killings and stoning a - whole - lot more often then men.

Rachel,

Where on earth are you getting your information???? Very little of what you've written squares with my personal experiences in the Middle East? Some of your comments seem completely off the wall!

Female genital mutilation was, and still is, practiced in parts of Africa, but it has never been an Islamic religious practice. PLEASE check your facts and statistics.

Ladies in this discussion, what happened to these brave women in Egypt is disgusting. But blaming an ENTIRE religion or nationality or gender is rediculous.

Pamela all I can say is get informed, this goes much beyond whatever "personal experience" you may have with the middle-east. Women ARE treated very unfairly in Islam, and under Sharia law. A woman IS considered less valuable then a man. A woman IS considered her husband's property. According to Sharia law a woman's testimony is worth less then that of a man, when there is an inheritance females get a smaller share (half) then males. Khomeini (among others) DID allow the rape of very young girls. Men in Saudi Arabia (and other areas) DO teach how a man is supposed to beat his wife, in details. In Iran, a few years ago many girls drowned in a lake (after their boats tipped over) because of the weight of their clothes (they are not allowed to wear bathing suits). In Pakistan not so long ago, many girls died in a fire because they wouldn't let them out of the building, they were not dressed "properly". The list could go on and on.

And about genital mutilation, again all I can say is get informed. It is not practiced exclusively by muslims, but it is indeed also practiced by muslims (not all of them), and it is indeed practiced in many countries in the middle-east, sometimes illegally ... by the way, you do know that almost half the population in Africa are muslims don't you?

I suggest taking a look at different websites for women's rights in Islam, among others Women's field (meydan.org) a website used by Shadi Sadr, a well known lawyer in Iran (if you don't speak farsi you can view the site in english as well), stophonourkillings.com, stop-stoning.org, and many others.

But blaming an ENTIRE religion or nationality or gender is rediculous.

Who said it was ALL of them? I have friends who are muslims who are great people, educated, are against shariah law (the harsh punishments especially), and don't think women are inferior to men, nor the property of men.

Rachel & Anna

I just cannot believe your statements!! I'm a Muslim woman, brought up in Saudi Arabia, married
to wonderful Muslim, yes Muslim, man. And I have 3 children (not 12 or 20). I am educated, I
run my own business, I study, I love writing, I love reading, and on & on.

My husband pays for everything in the house & me, even though I have enough money to
provide for us. It's not because I am weak, it's because men are told to take care of us in that
way. And I love it. I can use my money how & when I wish. This is the proper Deen (Islamic
way of Life).

I know you guys have been extremely badly brainwashed by the Muslim portrayal through your
media, and the sources where you get your facts from are those who like to bad mouth us
Muslims. Those are NOT the true Muslims, rather they are those who haven't gotten the knowledge of Islam properly and are spreading what they have misunderstood.

Here are some of the correct views (some are Quranic verses & some are hadeeths - sayings of
the Prophet)

...And Women Shall Have Rights Over Men Similar To Those For Men Over Women. (Quran Surah 2: Ayah 228)

Prophet said: The finest among the faithful is the one whose moral character is best, and the best among you are the ones who are finest to their women. Tirmidhi

It is He Who has created you from a single person (Adam), and (then) He has created from him his wife (Eve), in order that he might enjoy the pleasure of living with her. (Qur'an - Al-A'raf 7:189)

The Prophet May Allah's peace and praise be on him forbade laughing at a person who passes wind, and said, "How does anyone of you beat his wife as he beats the stallion camel and then he may embrace (sleep with) her?" (Bukhari 8:68)

Allah's Messenger May Allah's peace and praise be on him forbade withdrawing the penis from a free woman unless she gives permission. (Al-Tirmidhi #3197) [Islam has the proper etiquette on everything! :) There are more hadeeths/sayings of the Prophet regarding sex - like the Messenger of Allah [صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم] is reported to have said: "One of you should not fulfill one's (sexual) need from one's wife like an animal, rather there should be, between them, foreplay of kissing and words."
[Musnad Al-Firdaws of Al-Daylami, 2/55]]

Abu Sa'id al-Khudri reported that Allah's Messenger May Allah's peace and praise be on him said: The most wicked among the people in the eye of Allah on the Day of Judgment is the man who goes to his wife and she comes to him, and then he divulges her secret. (Hadith - Muslim, #3369)

Salih reported that his grandmother said, "I saw Ali buy some dates for a dirham and then carry them in the folds of his wrap. Someone asked him, 'Shall I carry those for you, O Commander of the Faithful?" 'Ali replied, 'No. The father of the family is the one most deserving of the burden.' " (Bukhari's Book of Manners # 551)

Allah's Messenger May Allah's peace and praise be on him used to patch his sandals, sew his garment and conduct himself at home as anyone of you does in his house. He was a human being, searching his garment for lice, milking his sheep, and doing his own chores. (Mishkat - Transmitted by Tirmidhi)

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Apostle as saying: He who believes in Allah and the Hereafter, if he witnesses any matter he should talk in good terms about it or keep quiet. Act kindly towards woman, for woman is created from a rib, and the most crooked part of the rib is its top. If you attempt to straighten it, you will break it, and if you leave it, its crookedness will remain there. So act kindly towards women. (Muslim, #3468)

Prophet said: Women are the twin-halves of men (Abu Dawud)

EDUCATION:

Prophet said: Seeking of knowledge is an obligation upon every Muslim, be it a man or a woman. (Mishkaat)

According to a hadith attributed to Muhammad, he praised the women of Medina because of their desire for religious knowledge:[27]
"How splendid were the women of the ansar; shame (shyness) did not prevent them from becoming learned in the faith." (wikipedia - Women in Islam - Female Education) [Most of the Islamic facts on Wikipedia are Not right but few are]

Khadija, the first wife of Prophet Muhammed(s), was a business woman.

Aisha was a poet, a scholar, and a military leader. (Please keep in mind that Muhammed (s) was an illiterate man - how many man today will marry someone so much more educated than himself?)

Women at that time (1400 years ago) attended the lectures in the mosques, the study groups, etc.

These are 'some' of the Quranic verses and hadeeths/sayings of the Prophet (s). The men who follow these proper Islamic ettiquates you will see that their wives are really happy. If you would like to discuss on any particular point, I'm also open to that. :)

P.S. If you want to find the proper facts regarding Muslim women or Muslims in general, please check (sisters.islamway.net) (islamtomorrow.com) (scienceislam.com)

Mommy of Three

I just cannot believe YOUR statements, you are totally oblivious to the injustice so many women suffer in many muslim countries. I never said ALL muslims were the same way, I have friends who are muslims. You were lucky you married a good man and you have a good life, praise God for that ... however you are blind to the general issues that so many women have to live with. Guess what, not all women have been as lucky as you. Every single thing I said is true. Indeed shariah law is unfair to women, and indeed many women suffer injustice in the muslim world, you can argue all you want, I know what I am saying and I do know the proper facts, and you can also stop quoting the Qur'an, I have 2 copies myself. Please go to the websites I mentioned, and YOU will know the proper facts.

As a muslim woman, you need to stand against fundamentalists and extremists, against "bad muslims", this is how things may change over time, pretending injustice doesn't exist doesn't help anyone.

What?

It's well documented that the ferocity with which the Taliban and other men fought the Russians was based on the fact that the Russians wanted to give women equality. Imagine that! Education, too!

Jewish women in the Old Testament were noted prophets and leaders, like Queen Esther. It's now felt that Mary Magdalene was a teacher and apostle. Speak for Islam maybe, not for Judaism and Christianity.

rachel-3673200,

Have you seen how the 'Ultra Devout Jews' in Israel behave toward women dressed in a fashion that we in the west consider very modest?? They spit on them--blame the women for tempting them. It's disgusting and almost indistinguishable from the worst Islam has to offer today.

Most of The Western world has Christianity under control enough that it is tolerable. But look at how women are treated increasingly as lesser citizens in the USA as the climate becomes more fundy Christian--Southern Baptist, etc. ((Nothing like Egypt, but some in US would have it that way))

Fuel, there are outlier nuts in every religion. Israel has some ultra devout nuts and the US has some ultra devout nuts. SO WHAT? In Islam, abusing and controlling women is mainstream!

BTW: the ultra devout Jews in Israel make the men wear the more silly costume and cover up more while the pictures show Muslim women in black trash bags and the men in short-sleeved shirts, shorts and, on the beach, bathing suits! There is at least gender equality in that among that sect of Jews. And NO WAY is the fate of ultra women like that of Muslim women. Indistinguishable from the worst Islam has to offer today? Like the 13 year old bride in Yemen tied up and raped to death for refusing her (involuntarily married) husband? Like the female genital mutilation in Egypt and now imported even to Indonesia--all to control women. Ultra devout Jewish men are prohibited from touching other women beside their wives (not that they don't sneak around), but neither they nor cheating wives are stoned to death. It's far more likely to see a hottie Israeli woman in an army uniform than in a concealing outfit, tho those outfits, unlike the mens' hot suits and fur caps, are far lighter and more suited to Israel's climate. And our fundy South is a hotbed of bed-heating and low-cut blouse-wearing. You're either practicing takkiya (the Muslim art of lying to infidels to protect Islam--but you know that) or a fool.

rachel,

More/stronger religiosity equates to more depravity (at least for the Abrahamic cults). You can call them "nuts" but they are simply more closely following the teachings then the 'less nutty'.

My comparison of Ultra Jews to Islamic pukes as indistinguishable--I was not referring to the precise actions taken (those abuses are permitted or not by society X) but the MENTALITY projected by the fundies in question. Yes rape and murder is worse than just spitting on women--good point! lol

Our south suffers more rape, teen STDs and pregnancies, divorce, poverty and just about every social ill you can name ALONG with more of the highly destructive, wacky notion that Christ will return 'in my life time'. Compare nations and you get a dramatic correlation between religion and societal health. Swede's call themselves some 70% atheist and they enjoy exceptionally safe sane society. In the US crime has been falling right along with reduced church attendance for decades. (murder rate today half what it was in 1990)

It is not particularly the Muslim religion...the Bible is filled with scripture that encourages rape and harsh treatment of women. We grew out of it. They need to grow out of it.

You have obviously never read the Bible. Where, may I ask, does the Bible encourage rape and harsh treatment of only women and not men?

I think you have not read the Bible. I have read it cover to cover, including the "begats". I just googled this one in two minutes, but it leaves out some of the most egregious stonings and hands being cut off.

Women are dumped on throughout the Bible, and
are still being dumped on in the churches. How many denominations allow women
to be clergy? If they are clergy, they still aren't equal to the men in the
clergy. And it is supported 100% in the Bible.

It starts in the second account of creation...
women were only created because Adam could not find a suitable wife (help meet)
in the animals that God showed him. On top of being second string to cattle and
sheep, women were created from a spare rib of a man. Woman needed man in order
to exist. (Genesis 2:20-22)

When Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit of
knowledge of Good and Evil... Who got the harshest of punishment? Eve! Adam's
punishment was that his herbs would sprout thorns and he would get to rule over
Eve, is that really a punishment? Then Eve got pain in childbirth, pain in
conception... and became a servant of sorts to Adam. Not to mention the
official punishment for Adam was for listening to his wife. (Genesis
3:16-17)

Even in the ten commandments women are
portrayed as being the property of their husband. In Exodus 20:17
it says "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy
neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his
ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's." Yes sir, the wife ranks right
there with the ox and ass.

That's not all. Exodus 21:7-10
covers the rules of selling your daughter, her master making her marry him, and
then her role if he wants more wives. I see the woman's view and feelings
mattered quite a bit here.

Exodus 22:16-17 is a real good
one. If a man sleeps with an unwed virgin, he must marry her. But if her
father refuses to give her to the man, then the man must pay the "pay money
according to the dowry of virgins"... is this crazy or what? I can see it
now...

Man: Hi sir, I just shtooked your virgin
daughter, and now must marry her.

Father: There is no way my little girl is
marrying you, punk!

Man: Okay, well then here's the $5 I have to
give you then.

Father: YAY!!!

It's not just women, female animals are not as
good as male animals. It is male animals that are to be burned for offerings.
(Leviticus 1:3, 1:10) When a king sins, and needs to make a
sacrifice he has to use a male goat, but when any old commoner sins, they have
to use a female goat. (Leviticus 4:23, 4:28)

Now back to the abuse of human females. This
biased view isn't limited to adult women. Little girls, even from the day that
they are born, are inferior to little boys. All of Leviticus chapter
12 is based on the purification of a woman after she has given birth.
Get this... after a woman has given birth to a boy, she will be unclean for 7
days and must purify herself for 33 days. If she gives birth to a girl, she is
unclean for 14 days and needs 66 days of purification. Go figure.

Leviticus also touches on the treatment of
female slaves and their male masters. According to Leviticus
19:20-22, if a man rapes his female slave... the woman gets punished and
the man's sins are forgiven. Look for yourself, it's rather
shameful.

Women are even worth less in terms of their
monetary value. Here's a table of values as given by God in Leviticus
27:3-7. $ = Shekels of silver

Ages 1 month - 5 years: Male = $5; Female =
$3

Ages 5 years - 20 years: Male = $20; Female =
$10

Ages 20 years - 60 years: Male = $50; Female
= $30

Ages 60 and up: Male = $15; Female =
$10

In Deuteronomy 22:28-29 it says
that if a man rapes a virgin, he must marry her and also pay her father 50
shekels for humbling her. How wild is that, do you think that would fly
today?

1 Samuel 18:25-27 may just be
one of the most disgusting things ever written. Saul sells his daughter to
David. But he didn't want money, noooooo, that would be too normal... he wanted
100 foreskins from Philistine men. David gave him 200 foreskins. What the hell
is with foreskins? Couldn't he get ears? Or how about fingers? This is
disgusting. And women certainly be offended that one of their kind was traded
for 200 bits of severed penises.

Women are below men in the pecking order again
in 1 Corinthians 11:3-9 where it is made crystal clear that God
over Christ, Christ is over man, and man is over woman. After all man was not
created for woman, but woman was created for man.

Women are not allowed to talk in church, in
fact the idea of them speaking in church is shameful. This is made very clear
in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35. Women are to remain silent, and if
they have any questions they are to ask their husbands at home after church.

Not only are women inferior to men, but they
should treat their husbands as they treat God. Check this quote out from
Ephesians 5:22-24 "wives, submit yourselves unto your own
husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as
Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore
as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands
in every thing."

1 Timothy chapter 2 is another
chapter that is dedicated to saying women are below men, and also says women are
to dress plainly. But let's take a harder look at where women stand in this
chapter. It says that women are to learn in silence without subjection... they
cannot teach nor "usurp authority over the man". It also makes it clear that
Adam was first, then Eve. And the Garden of Eden thing, with the forbidden
fruit... well that was 100% Eve's fault. Women are gullible, yet
conniving.

It amazes me that there is a women, who could
read the teachings of the Holy Bible, and call herself a Christian. How many
Christian men are using these teachings to justify abuse? It's
sickening.

And God sent his only Son Jesus to set things straight. That's what we are supposed to learn from, the New Testament. Jesus was all for women 100%.

post perfectly captures the heart of it.

a sign that says "I am your sister, please don't grope me"

Before anybody rails on me with the "They're Muslims, the do it all the time" speech, let me elaborate. They bravely beat on their wife/sister/daughter, but how many have the balls to go it alone against a group of women protesting that treatment? My guess is zero.

Uh, having traveled in Israel and Egypt I can tell you that what those women are calling harrassment would be an arrestable offense here.

They grope, hump, say unspeakable things and will outright rape in the street while others look the other way. Imagine if women shoved their fingers into a man's pants and shoved a finger up their anus. Sound like fun? No? Women cannot travel alone- and when men are in packs- they feel protected and do even more than grope and dry hump. It is an ugly fact.

When I asked our guide about some of things we saw and experienced - of this type- he told me it was cultural. He had traveled in the west, and the first time in the USA was amazed to see so many unaccompanied women in the street. His wife was not allowed outside of their home without him, her brother or their father with her. In Israel.

It is a backwards world over there. Here's hoping things get better. Those women in that square are braver than anyone in this comment log.