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Ismail Zitouny / Reuters, file
Seif al-Islam Gadhafi, the son of onetime Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi, is pictured sitting in a plane in Zintan after his capture in November.
TRIPOLI -- Representatives of the International Criminal Court arrived in Tripoli on Sunday to try to secure the release of a detained delegation visiting Moammar Gadhafi's captured son, a Libyan official said.
The four-member delegation was being held by a militia group in the western mountain town of Zintan after one of its lawyers, Australian Melinda Taylor, was found carrying documents regarded as suspicious for Seif al-Islam Gadhafi, a Libyan lawyer and a militia member told Reuters on Saturday.
The president of the international war-crimes court demanded their immediate release.
ICC via EPA
The ICC delegation was being held in the western mountain town of Zintan after one of its lawyers, Australian Melinda Taylor, was found carrying documents regarded as suspicious.
"An (ICC) delegation arrived [Sunday] in Tripoli. They are holding meetings with officials about this," said the Libyan official, without giving further details.
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Seif al-Islam is at the center of a wrangle between the international court and the new government in Tripoli, both of which have drawn up plans to prosecute him for alleged war crimes.
Under international law, a country has the first right to try suspects for crimes committed on its own soil. But the ICC indicted Seif al-Islam before the fall of his father's regime and cannot drop his case until it is convinced that Libya's new government will prosecute him for the same crimes -- and that it is capable of giving him a fair trial.
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Reflecting Libya's wider problem of powerful local militias and a weak central government, the Zintan brigade holding Seif al-Islam said it would not heed the government's request to release the four ICC staff before questioning them.
"They are still under investigation," a member of the brigade said. "The visiting delegation won't see them just yet."
The ICC has previously expressed concern at the conditions under which he is being held. Human rights groups also question whether Libya's justice system can meet the standards of international law.
A Libyan lawyer said the suspicious documents included letters from Seif al-Islam's former right-hand man Mohammed Ismail, as well as blank documents signed by the prisoner.
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The international court said the 36-year old Taylor has been working at the ICC since 2006 as counsel in the office that represents ICC indictees' interests before the appointment of a formal defense counsel.
The ICC named the three other staff members as Helene Assaf, an ICC translator and interpreter since 2005; Esteban Peralta Losilla, the chief of the Counsel Support Section at the ICC; and Alexander Khodakov, a Russian career diplomat who is the external relations and cooperation senior adviser at the registry of the ICC.
Reuters and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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This sounds like something that the U.N. Security Council should take up at their next banquet.
Fighting over who prosecutes him.............brilliant.
How is the "Arab Spring" Obma applauded working out for you all?
They got just what many of us were saying. Unstability
The US and UN had no business sticking our noses in their business. The US either helped or persuaded the people of Egypt and Libya to over throw the governments. Both these leaders help keep stability in that region, now that is gone. Gaddafi brought that country out of the dark ages. Granted years ago he was a mean prick but he had mellowed. Libya has the best education, water, sewer, health and food systems in all of N. Africa and better than most of the Middle East.
Had, not "has". After the Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists took over as the over 80% of the "Libyan Rebels" as Fully Supported President Obama, they started to destroy all of that "Non Islamic", "Western", "Modern", just like the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban did here at Afghanistan, the Fundamentalist Islamic Al Sheebah is doing at Somalia (destroying everything of UN Mission Somalia I and UN Mission Somalia II that ended the cycles of Droughts and Famines), the Fundamentalist Islamic Arabic Omani Muslims at the Sudan (Darfur), what the Fundamentalist Islamic Hamas Warlords do at Palestine and Gaza, the Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists at Yemen, what the Fundamentalist Islamic Muslim Brotherhood is attempting to do (stopped by the Egyptian Military), lots of etc..
Someone needs to talk with the Chinese to get them to apply pressure on the Fundamentalist Islamic Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG) and the rest of the Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists to get the International Criminal Court Delegation released; as the Chinese are getting the Libyan Oil from the "Libyan Rebels" as negotiated by Qatar.
Do NOT send any US Military Asymmetric Warfare Forces (aka Special Warfare) to do a RRR Mission (Rescue Recapture Recovery), these people ICC stuck their noses into a pile of steaming sh!t with their Idealistic Academic "Rule of Law" bullsh!t, let them extract themselves; or better yet let's see how well the current Russian Federation Spetsnaz do their job, let them do a successful RRR Mission since Career Russian Diplomat Alexander Khodakov was more than likely "In Charge".
@david, you are really wasted here. Why don't you run for President? The Tea Party needs all the help it can get.
Leave it up to a lawyer to be carrying something they shouldn't have!!!!!
That "Australian" girl is *so* CIA. Please.
It was her "Captain Crunch" decoder ring that gave her away.
Good for the Brotherhood. They should try the ICC members for Spying.
International war-crimes court (ICC) has been one of the most partisan and waking up when the Saudis, oil companies, or some with money gets interested.
Militia have done the right thing. They should try their members.
Jonathan-1982062,
Your (American) English is getting better.
However, STOP attempting to Undermine the one of the only US Allies left after President Obama's March 2009 Policy Caused most US Allies to no longer exist.
US Ally King of Saudi Arabia, "President Obama gave Iraq to Iran as a Gift on a Golden Platter".
And don't even attempt to confuse these Newsvine Posters with the differences between the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia (like at the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran) and the "Moderate", "Modern", "Pro Western" Sunnis (US Allies). Because I will state the observable Facts and Results of Actions.
Hey Obama and his groupies, you still crowing about that great war win in Libya? Perhaps the chickens are coming home to roost?
What will you do when he's out of office? Could be this year, could be four years from now? Who will you complain about? Or will you go back into you cave and sit until another Dem is in office to blame.
That's right, cave because after another Repub gets in office that's all we'll have - judge parties by their cronies and while the Dem cronies are wasteful and for the most part incompetent, Repub cronies are straight up greedy and don't care who they hurt to get more money.
Dem cronies not greedy? Please explain SEIU, AFL-CIO, ACORN, Solyndra, the list of cronies on the dole of Democrats is unbelievable. Look at what the labor unions are trying:
Open vote elections so they know who is not voting for them
Forced participation
Their collective bargaining practices have bankrupted both companies and governments alike. Please, saying that Dem Cronies are not greedy is just a head in the sand comment!
Government backing and handouts
DOJ pressure for opening non-union plants (Boeing)
Talk about greed
Same thing that you do. The next President will do the President Obama "Inherited" Blame Game "Bush created the problem(s), I inherited the problem(s)"; eventhough, YOU hired (elected) President Obama to fix what President Bush supposedly screwed up (however, if you bother to do the REAL Research, President Bush (43) did not screw the things you claim he did, he did screw up things that most too lazy Demoncraps never bother to research).
Hopefully the next President will be an adult.
@david, If you take blinders off you will find out that bush was givin a strong economic country. For the first time in a good many years our trade was 1% in this countries favor. In eight years where were we at? Even Romney supported and said that he would have done the same thing that Obama did upon becoming President. Which was to ask for the same Stimulus package to be at his office when he got there.
You have paid no attention to nothing, Therefore you have a problem, going on and ranting for nothing. Would you like a little salt to go with that foot.
Act like a spy - get treated like a spy!
Boy oh Boy, that Obama sure made Libya a better place to live, controlled by terrorists and militias and with no central government,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,now that is leadership.
@paidmyfee, back in the 1960s, a libyan groupe was robbing banks here in the US, Hijacking planes, demanding ransom for the passengers, blowing up planes. They got other groups on board and became Hydra, a seven headed snake, than kept on going and growing into what we now call terrorist groupes. True thay grew slowly but all terrorist groupes, in my line of thought has roots going back to than.
Has Hillry Clinton of " the imminent humamnitarian disaster in Bengazi " fame gone into hiding along with the U.S nominated prime minister of " liberated " Libya ?
Now, now, let us not condemn our State Department too much. They have been very good at helping to destabilize countries, arm terrorists and help usher in a new age of Islamic fundamentalism. What's not to like?
Not to mention finishing the fights Republicans started so that when they get back in office they can start more! Yay!
Partisan Cronie = ThinkVoice.
How about this (Do your Homework (Research)):
Iraq: US Law: H.R.4655 "Iraqis Liberation Act of 1998" justification Weapons of Mass Destruction, becomes the US Military Operation Iraqis Freedom. President Clinton's 1998 State of the Union Address (to both Houses of US Congress) demanding US Congress pass into US Law H.R.4655. Later on US Military Operation Desert Fox after the covert "lesser measures" (US Military Attached to CIA SAD/SOG as "US Civilian" Para Military Operations) of H.R.4655 Failed.
Before you start with your Partisan NONSENSE; be a Participant, so that you will know by either Living or Dying in the Real World School of Hard Knocks.
Afghanistan: Weeks after the 9/11 2001 Attacks we (US Military attached to CIA SAD/SOG) do this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arxKhJIjIiY.
The 9/11 2001 Attacks: You really need to READ the (Unclassified) Investigations, Findings, and Recommendations of the US Congressional 9/11 Commission. Because of President Clinton's Gutting of the US Intelligence Agencies, the US was Blind Worldwide. The US had to rely on "Potentially Hostile" Nations Information (not even credible verifiable Intelligence) like from the Intelligence Agencies of Jordan and Pakistan. As the Millions of Intelligence Assets Worldwide that took decades to put into place were gone in months due to President Clinton's Actions, the Intelligence Empire that the Director of the CIA later on President Bush (41) previously built.
To make matters even worse was President Clinton's Cut To the Bone Reductions In Forces (RIFs) of the US Military, as the US Military Asymmetric Warfare Forces (aka Special Operations, Special Warfare) that were also RIF'ed usually are tasked to perform Independent Verifications of Intelligence Agencies gathered Intelligence by Special Reconnaissance, Special Surveillance, etc., this Intelligence after Independent Verifications becomes "Actionable Intelligence". These US Military Asymmetric Warfare Forces also take Decades to create and President Clinton eliminated the majority in just months by Ordering as Commander In Chief a Cut to the Bone RIF of the US Military (research what President Obama is Currently doing).
There is also the matter of the President Clinton as Commander In Chief Ordering the closures of 14 US Military Installation, including the removal of US Military Anti Aircraft Missile Batteries Nationwide (reinstalled as of 2012 for New York City), the removal of USAF Interceptor Aircraft on Standby at US Civilian Airports (most USAF Bases are too far away from US Cities to respond in the required time frame). Both of which could have been used to shoot down the US Civilian Aircraft used in the 9/11 2001 Attacks, as recommended reinstallation/reinstitution by the US Congressional 9/11 Commission.
Ya , Now we are too busy getting alqaeda stronger in Syria so we can please our friends, ( Saudies , Qataris , and Israel ) . They want the moderate Assad out and want to replace him with Alqaeda and Wahhabi's Government , Way to go Hillary , McCain , and all of you Crooked politicians . Our troops and the families of our lost loved ones , should trail these politicians .
And how are we doing this? I'd love to know your misinformed idea - just for fun.
ThinkVoice , I guess you have not been following the news , Hillary and McCain admitted already that we are helping the rebels in Syria . Saudis and Qataris said they are arming the Alqaeda thugs in Syria , Our own Generals and Intel. Already said that Alqaeda in Syria , and Responsible for all the bombings in Syria . But off course Hillary and McCain keep blaming Assad . They claiming hi is killing his own civilians supporters and his Own Troops . WOW WMD'S ALL OVER AGAIN . Leave it up to our politicians and Media .
ThinkVoice,
You want a real laugh READ this:
(SOS) Clinton: Arming Syrian rebels could help al Qaeda
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57386279/clinton-arming-syrian-rebels-could-help-al-qaeda/?tag=cbsnewsSectionContent.0
Too f**king bad SOS Clinton and President Obama did not even read their own US Department of State Documents (that cost US Military Asymmetric Warfare Forces (aka Special Warfare) lives to get the information pertaining to Libya) months before the start of the "Libyan Civil War" President Gaddaffi complained that there was "increased Activities of Al Quada at Libya", just like President Assad stated months before the current "Civil War" at Syria, with SOS Clinton and President Obama ignoring both of them and then calling both of them "Dictators":
The over 80% of the "Libyan Rebels": Al Quada Saudi Arabia (AQ, over Redacted %), Al Quada Islamic Maghreb (AQIM) Algeria (Redacted %); and the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG, Redacted %), Al Quada Syria (AQS, Redacted %), Al Quada Yemen (AQY, Redacted %), etc..
The Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists Gains, thanks to President Obama supporting the Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists at Libya: Creation of another Fundamentalist Islamic Republic. The Defeat of Former US Ally President Gaddaffi the Collaborator to the Christians, Jews, Unbelievers "To Die a Horrible Murdering" inaccordance with Fundamentalist Islamic Shia (aka Sharia) Laws. Obtaining Chinese Support by selling the Libyan Oil to the Chinese instead of the US European Allies. Closer Mediterranean locations to attack the US European Allies aka "Crusaders". Increased Strategic Sphere of Influence for the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran resulting in increased support for them (Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists) from the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran, just like the Muslim Brotherhood's negotiations with the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran before the Egyptian Revolution aka Overthrow of US Ally President Murbarack. Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists release President Obama's Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadist Guantanamo Prisoners transfered to President Gaddaffi's Prisons. The significance of the "Libyan Civil War" starting at Benghazi was for the Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists to obtain weapons from the 60 bunker Hight Razma facility on the eastern outskirts of Benghazi and a 35 bunker facility on the eastern outskirts of Ajdabiyah.
The term "bunkers" is a misnomer as some of these "bunkers" were the size of warehouses. After the Libyan Military Guards were massacred at these Libyan Munitions Depots, the Facilities were left unguarded. This is how about 20,000 shoulder launched portable SA-7 anti aircraft missiles ended up "missing"; believed to be currently in the hands of the Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists of Al Quada and the rest of the Fundamentalist Islamic Terrorists (Jihadist, Worldwide Islamic Military), possible use shoot down US and US Ally Commercial Airlines (Aircraft) worldwide (after all the other publicly known failed attempts); most US Military and US Ally Military Aircraft have detection and countermeasures (some are still shot down by SA-7s, mistaken for RPGs (similar warhead).).
RESULTS Matter not Opinions.
Whoever sent them there. It is there resposibility to get them out.
Send in the DOGS. Do whatever it takes to get them out.
No negoiations. No talking to them about it. Go in do what has to be done and sadly dead or alive bring home where they belong.
They should never have gone in. The military use two things before making any moves, they are the seven "P"s and the terminology "What if". The fools that went in didn't use either.
Why are these idiots, particularly women, even going to those decadent countries? If anyone thinks the men of those African and middle eastern countries use logical reasoning toward any decision making, you have rocks in your head. Women of course don't count. These bleeding hearts with the 'look at how wonderful I am because I am going to save the savages and bring them out of the dark ages by educating them' attitude are wasting their time. Every nation that had white trash bring it into the 20th century with peace, prosperity and democracy, have either executed or thrown out the white oppressors and descended back into the 12th century. It will not change. The very few that are able to get a smattering of education return to their country and become murdering dictators. The only thing the whites have done is given them the means to grossly overpopulate their countries and allowed them guns instead of spears to continue their tribal fighting. Get out and stay out.
Libya is much better off without Gadhafi, the people can now choose their leader of "their" choice, instead of the leader electing himself decade after decade while robbing the country's revenues of billions. Gadhafi's tanks and gunships are no longer gunning down citizens.
Jjohn M Qaddafi was not very good man , But I think he did lots good to his own people . FREE MEDICAL TREATMENTS AND FREE EDUCATION . Maybe its not good enough for the Europeans , Because he gave Russia and China most of the Oil contracts . But Ask our Media tell show how many people dying every day there Because these fine innocents Alqaeda rebels they put in power .
Really.
President Gaddaffi as President his written contract "Green Book" for Libyan Citizens (not the Foreign Workers): a. Free Education, including Post Graduate at any Schools Worldwide including Medical Schools, while being paid the average of the Salary of that Profession plus Living Expenses. b. Best Human Rights as praised by the UN and UA (African Union). c. Gasoline at $0.33 per liter, until the "Civil War" then $0.66 per liter. d. Unemployment almost zero, those Unemployed are paid the Full not percentage of their Salary while Unemployed. e. 100% Free Medical, Dental, Vision, including flying in the Best from Worldwide. f. Upon marriage a Free House or Apartment. g. Vehicles sold at Cost. h. Bank Loans with 0% Interest. i. No Libyan Citizens in Debt (also Libya not in Debt). j. President Gaddaffi as a US Ally to get US and UN Sanctions lifted to sell Libyan Oil to US European Allies denounces Weapons of Mass Destruction, Terrorism, has his Libyan Military go after the Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists at Libya (A Big F**king mistake that pissed off the Fundamentalist Islamic Arab League of Nations). k. lots of etc. as a Modern 21st Century Nation.
Now what have the Libyan Citizens got: a. Women told they must have their clitoris removed in accordance with Fundamentalist Islamic (Hadith, Ancient Customs) Laws. b. Fundamentalist Islamic Shia (aka Sharia) Laws (see their new Libyan Constitution first sentences). c. Destruction of most of the Modern Non Islamic things of the previous Modern 21st Century Libya of President Gaddaffi. d. Promise from President Obama to give the Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists US Taxpayer Money to rebuild Libya. d. Libyan Civilians getting killed off during the fighting between Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists factions fighting for control. e. An Official Language (all other Languages Illegal and Criminal). f. Libya in Debt (while most Libyan Citizens are also in Debt). g. The Foreign Workers brought in to Libya to do the jobs that the Libyan Citizens refuse to do, get Libyan Citizens Rights and Benefits as paid for by the Libyan Citizens. h. The Libyan Citizens must pay the Mandatory Fundamentalist Islamic Tithes in accordance with Fundamentalist Islamic Laws to provide the Funding of the Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists Worldwide (something the "International Community" and the US Department of State has been attempting to stop). i. Lots of etc. as losses for the Libyan Citizens, US and US Allies.
What the US and US European Allies got: a. US Citizens got the Bill for Billions of USDs to pay for President Obama's Discretionary Spending to pay for all the Cruise Missiles, NATO's Personnel, Bombs, Fuel, etc. resulting in Cuts to Previously Budgeted for Programs/Projects (Infrastructure) for US Citizens. b. US European Allies lost the Libyan Oil to the Chinese via Qatar, US Ally Saudi Arabia promises to attempt to supply the shortfalls of High Grade Libyan Oil with lower quality Oil, the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran promises to block this with closure of their Territorial Waters the Strait of Hormuz (don't say "International Waters" the US Politicians after the Iran Iraq Wars f**ked up by not signing the International Agreement (Treaty) to make the Strait of Hormuz an International Waterway). c. President Obama 8===>o John M.-3156861. d. Still a lot more to happen (like this incident) as Final Results.
Arab Spring 101 - if a evil dictator decides to slaughter his own people by the thousands in order to stay in power and crush the upraising for the sake of his own self serving proposes, he deserves to be hang, or killed, or rot in prison for the rest of his life.
Sorry John I keep missing your point , And how many people did we and NATO kill in Iraq trying to spread Democracy on THE WMD made story . So Assad been in power for years . He got one morning after the Saudis and Qataris tried to bribe him in Leaving his Alliance with Iran and Hezbollah , And when he Did not , They decided to send their thugs to try to over throw him , So he can not defend his own civilians the one are getting Murdered by these thugs , And remember we are getting one side of the story , One side , TRY TO ASK THE REPUBLICAN , WHAT KIND OD A JOB PRES. OBAMA DOING ,M AND THEN BASE YOUR VOTE ON THEIR ANSWER . Assad have the right to protect his people and his 4 million Christians that we forgot about here.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
Great plan. going just the way we want it. now those militias who control the oil fields control the country and we know they are going to be completely altruistic and share with their fellow countrymen. meanwhile the citizens continue as before
I hope his gone for ever and changing the subject a little bit to mexico
You all fuc @@$% ing talking military intervention ,military intervention!!! came on let you brain work for the love of god , US has supplied in the last 6 years with arms and money to the cartels in mexico ,after the idiot of Vicente fox !!!(same party is on power right now ) but this so called military intervention ,equipment , guns and arms (fast & furious program ) Did you all ready forget!!it didn1t work. stop sending stupid military intervention it doesn`t work here is something cheap and simply and it doesn't use any American tax dollars : just get you F$%%&*hands from the next Mexican election ,let the TRUTH and Democracy run like a river and Mexicans will stay in Mexico ,they will work in Mexico let them choose their own f#%%^& leaders Manuel Obrador is the candidate for the alternative that his party never has occupy the presidency of Mexico before ,since you all biching ,so much about Illegals and drugs well here your stupid solution and is cheap ,Mexico it does not need big brother to intervene and putting puppets as president anymore we all know the fu##%$% result in the last 30 years !!!
first to all msn article is lying as always,the suppose front runner " Pena nieto" is not even close to be the front runner anymore just last night Sunday/ 10th of June, lost the second presidential debate the Barbie doll Pena nieto was out his mind ,he seem very nervous and very concerned.(possibly cheating by using auricular) due to rules of the debate, he also was not allow to use a teleprompter his pretty behind was in trouble. And what msn has not told you guys is a lot more of the suppose front runner :
when he was governor of his state he sent his local police to arrest and abuse sexually over 40 females y little girls.
he is not able to prove the dead of his first wife yet
His camping has received money from the drug cartels
The msn article mention his name more than 4 times with a nice picture ,and reality the other candidates are up head on the polls it seems to me the MSN has a very high interest to help this Brainless candidate just like the Mexican media and television in Mexico and I wonder why? muhhhh!!!
The msn article did not mention to you anything about the # 132 Mexican student movement(Mexican spring) that is supporting Lopez Obrador (the real front runner who is not corrupt and he his for the real people of Mexico he doesn't any contracts with any monopoly ,drug cartel or exploiter Business in Mexico)and he is only mentioned once in the whole article, so either msn needs to hire a better Spanish translators to help them for a better and accurate information or MSN is lying already by received drug money just like Enrique pena "the msn `s front runner" that has bought all the media in Mexico.
second of all , Americans you have not idea what is to come right next door in Mexico ,that is going to affect you and everybody. The msn front runner can become some kind gadafi or one those drug lords, and violence and drugs are not just going to stopping ther are going to be moving freely and increase more on you "American cities and towns" this phenomenon is not the same back in the 70 ,80 and 90 this drug problem is way different and for the ignorants of msn and all the red necks that want to pound on the undocumented immigration , well for last 50 years the US has support and help puppets to be presidents of Mexico and what you have : people living Mexico and coming to states without proper papers ,well seems to me that you guys want to continue the same practice again ,again and again to helping a puppet and drug dealer to be the president of Mexico "enrique Pena" than wait for the consequences to be paid
ps is funny when Mubarak was fulling all the msn behinds were right there!! what about Mexico ,the people of Mexico and the students are is working really hard to stop the comeback of a oppressor regime and msn just pretend like that nothing is happening in Mexico
Native Americ 132,
Number One, if you are so pissed off, go to Mexico and start your own "Arab Spring" to overthrow your Mexican Government "puppets".
Number Two, the Loyal Citizens of another Nation like Mexico do not belong in the US as Illegal Aliens, just like the Illegal Aliens are shot under Mexican Illegal Alien Laws. Don't even attempt to make the description "Politically Correct" by renaming Illegal Aliens "Undocumented Immigrants", "Undocumented Workers", "Illegal Immigrants", etc. as they are what they are as described by US Laws. According to the statements of Illegal Aliens during a BBC Documentary they have NO intention of ever becoming Immigrants as the Cost of Living, Taxes, etc. are too High, it is and always has been their intent to come to the US to make as much money as possible to send home so that later when they return "Home" they can live like Kings and Queens due to the lower Cost of Living at Mexico and the Fact that they are also evading (Income at US not Declared to Mexican Government) Mexican Taxes. As part of Making more Money while at the US to decrease their Cost of Living, they bring their Families with them to live off US Taxpayer Funded Public Assistance and other US Taxpayer Funded Programs like 2004 California spending over $10 Billion on the Illegal Alien's Education, Health Care, Imprisonment of Illegal Aliens for the Violent Crimes of Murder, Rape, etc.. To further decrease their Cost of Living while at the US, Illegal Aliens commit Felony Criminal Tax Evasion by "Work For Cash Only" as Employer Paperwork for State and Federal Income Tax Withholding is used by ICE for apprehensions and deportations. And don't even say that Illegal Aliens pay Sales Taxes as during 2004 the California Sales Taxes was $17 Million, and $17 Million does NOT pay for the over $10 Billion spent on Illegal Aliens. The proof that Illegal Aliens do NOT pay Taxes is California based their Budget on the US Census, President Obama's Policy for the US Census Bureau was not to ask Legal Residency Status (Citizenship), so the Illegal Aliens were counted by the US Census, the State of California based on this US Census believed they would get Revenues of over $100 Billion for their Budget, this fell short to $85 Billion while the money spent on Illegal Aliens increased to over $25 Billion as more Illegal Aliens fled to California from the States Enforcing Anti Illegal Alien Laws that are identical or less restrictive than the US Federal Laws.
Number Three, the Mexican Military has contracts with the US Firearms Makers to manufacturer US Military Weapons at Mexico and have for the longest time. However, the Mexican Drug Lords and Cartels prefer the Russian AKs, these Russian Federation AKs are being smuggled from South and Central Americas into Southern Mexico, these Russian Federation AKs are being shipped to the Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists (Fundamentalist Islamic Hamas Foreign Fighters, and Fundamentalist Islamic Hezbollah) currently at South America by the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran. The Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran has also negotiated deals before for the stationing of Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iranian ICBMs and IRBMs at South American Nations (currently building hardened underground missile silos similar to US Cold War Era that cannot be destroyed by current US Conventional (non nuclear) weapons systems.).
Who cares about Mexico Native AMERIC Our politicians not getting paid by the Saudis and Qataris to do anything here . Our kids get affected by the drugs coming in every day . but they turn the blind eye to that , Mr. Clinton went all the way to China to fight for the Blind Activist , By he is here now , Not to worry , He is going to be an American Activist now . Funny how politicians work and funny what money can do . And if you say something they do not like , Well hell you are not Patriotic and they start throwing all kind of BS at you .
The idea to assist the Islamic Fundamentalists with overthrowing Gaddafi was HILLARY CLINTON. Initially, President Obama decided against aiding them, chiefly because there was no clear way to secure the surface-to-air missiles Gaddafi had acquired. Clearly, his reversal was a bad decision, and yet one more reason to reconsider voting for him in November. Still, Romni is not an option for me at this time.
The fallout from overthrowing Gaddafi has not played out. It is not difficult to imagine Libya becoming a base for future attacks on Western interests in the Middle-east and Africa.