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Subscribe to RSSActivists say that more than 1,000 children have been killed since the uprising in Syria began last year.
Children were slaughtered, tortured, sexually attacked and used as human shields by pro-government Syrian forces, according to a damning United Nations report released late on Monday.
"Children were victims of killing and maiming, arbitrary arrest, detention, torture and ill-treatment, including sexual violence, by the Syrian Armed Forces, the intelligence forces, and the Shabbiha militia," the U.N.'s Special Representative for Children and Armed Conflict Radhika Coomaraswamy said in a release issued along with the report.
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Residents of Houla ride in the back of a pick-up truck on June 5, according to Syrian opposition's Shaam News Network. In May, a massacre in Houla claimed 108 lives including those of 49 children, according to UN figures.
The shabiha are a pro-government militia that recruits largely from the Alawite community- the same Muslim sect as President Bashar Assad. Sunnis, who make up the majority of the rebels, are an estimated 74 percent of the population.
NYT: Assad's response to Syria unrest leaves his own sect divided
In an interview with the BBC, Coomaraswamy said she had learned of "horrific" reports in Syria. She told the BBC:
"We are really quite shocked. Killing and maiming of children in cross-fire is something we come across in many conflicts but this torture of children in detention, children as young as 10, is something quite extraordinary, which we don't really see in other places."
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"We also had testimonies and saw children who had been tortured, and who carried the torture marks with them. We also heard of children being used -- this was recounted to us by some children -- of being put on tanks and being used as human shields so that the tanks would not be fired upon."
Coomaraswamy also criticized the rebellion's main armed group for its treatment of children.
'Battle is in Damascus' as Syrian tanks fire in 12-hour exchange
A civil war is breaking out in Syria between the Sunnis and Shiites with militia groups fighting along sectarian lines. Sources report regular gun battles close to the presidential palace where the Syrian regime is experiencing problems controlling its own armed forces. NBC's Richard Engel reports.
"For the first time we heard of children being recruited by the Free Syrian Army mainly in medical and service orientated jobs but still on the front line," she told the BBC.
The U.N. says Syrian forces have killed more than 10,000 people in the crackdown on an uprising inspired by revolts which toppled four Arab leaders in 2011. Syrian authorities say foreign-backed militants have killed 2,600 soldiers and police.
Activists say Syria's army and pro-Assad militia have committed two massacres in the last two weeks, in the Houla region and a farming hamlet called Mazraat al-Qubeir. Syrian authorities blamed the killings on "terrorists."
Report: Journalist says rebels tried to get him killed
The United States and other Western nations who have been critical of Assad's regime had little new to suggest to end Syria's 15-month long crisis, which has seen the United Nations Security Council deadlocked amid continued support for Assad by veto-holding Russia and China.
The use of civilians as human shields has been reported before. On March 25, Human Rights Watch released a video purportedly showing how Syrians were forced to walk in front of armored personnel carriers:
The international rights organization also quoted a resident of Kafr Nabl as saying:
"They took maybe 25 people, including me. There were also eight children, aged from 10 to 15, among us. They made us march in front and around the military vehicles to some houses where they were searching for wanted opposition activists. We marched for about 600 meters. They were insulting us the whole time. They arrested several people from the houses. Then they made us march back to their base, after which they released all of us, apart from the detained activists. The whole operation lasted for about two hours."
Reuters and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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I believe immediate action is appropriate.
The U.N. security council , at its next state luncheon, should develop strong language against this and ask that Syria get back to them with an answer by the fall.
This should be done by the Human Rights Council. That sterling body made up of such members as China, Saudi Arabia, Uganda, Angola, Mexico, Congo, Libya, Indonesia .......
More Muslims showing how little humanity that the Islamic Faith has at it's core. I still say that we do not need to get involved. Let the EURO'S take care of it, or anyone else. We have spent enough money and soldiers on trying to civilize these Muslim Nutjobs.
Do not believe this bull crap story !!!!!!!!!
Over the years we have heard these types of stories before. All were designed and played up by the media . The sole purpose of them is to sucker us into another senseless stupid war. All for the purpose of making the military / industrial complex RICHER and our country poorer. One must remember that the media is operated and controlled by a hand full of people spinning and slanting the stories the way they want them. We as a people and a nation have fallen for this crap to many times.
bob
"Bull crap story"? You cant be serious.
"the media is operated and controlled by a hand full of people spinning and slanting the stories the way they want them"
That's a bit paranoid dont you think? I think you enjoy to much fiction...
I fixed it for everyone here.
Congratulations, you're probably too stupid to really be vicious.
Once again we see that people will stoop so low when they are terrified. These are not heros they are cowards.
1Reality... a bit paranoid and fiction???
Anybody that believes half of what the media presents concerning any of this middle east BS or that comes out of the U.N. is the one that needs a reality check.
Why is it so easy for some to believe that the "rebels" (terrorists and muslim extremists) are the good guys in these battles? Take a look at what the world gets for supporting them... look at what is left after the governments are toppled... Egypt, Libya etc. etc. etc.
America would not need such a large "military complex" if anyone else in the world cared about innocents, if the United Nations ever took action that wasn't late and after the fact.
So many Americans worry about our standing in the world but then are the first to say "do nothing", "don't get involved in another war". The world watches as we talk about freedom, justice, and protection of innocent, but stand on the sidelines while tyrants who hate us kill women and children.
Occupy Wall Street crowds protest wealthy Americans, banks, and equal rights, but don't so much as even whisper sympathy for the tortured and murdered children around the world. Our values use to be to fight for the little guy and innocent children of the world, now I guess it's just to worry about ourselves. How is liberals and progressives can care so much about welfare programs for the poor in the United States, yet care so little about the suffering of children overseas? How is it Conservatives can be for wars in countries like Iraq that are preemptive, yet want no part in wars that eliminate enemies and protect women and children at the same time?
The one thing I notice in this article is that none of these supposed actions by the Syrian army have actually been witnessed by these UN observers. They simply take the word of the rebels and their well coached children as gospel about what is happening. The only thing the observers have actually witnessed is the rebels using children in front line positions. The UN observers and the rest of the western media needs to stop taking these reports at face value and acting as propagandists for the rebels. I have serious doubts that the Syrian government would do what is being claimed. Assad is all to well aware of the battle for public opinion and he would not allow children to be used like this and willingly give the rebels such a huge propaganda weapon. I do, however, believe that the rebels are using children as human shields so that when they get killed in the fighting they can turn around and blame the Syrian army for the deaths. There is no logical reason that the Syrian army would go around executing children, however there is a reason for the rebels to do this - to try and gain sympathy from the international community. The UN observers need to start reporting only on what they observe and not what they hear. Both sides have ample reason to lie, particularly the rebels who are trying to get the UN and western nations to intercede on their behalf with military force.
What would America get for helping the rebels in Syria? Probably nothing. In fact, any new government might be just as bad if not worse towards America. So why do it right? Well in my mind you help protect the people, (men, women, and children) because it is the right thing to do, and hope that a country that acts with goodness in mind is someday rewarded.
@Logic.....I believe that the only Political faction I have heard or seen insisting that Obama do something has been Republican. LogicRequiredHonestyNot Present.
Isn't that part of Agenda 21? Killing off the part of society that will have the least likely chance of breeding for the next 2 generations? While some people think that is nuts and no government would ever do such a thing, just maybe it's more than 1 government. If I recall properly, it's a UN mandate which would mean it has global backing and not one single citizen is safe, unless you have the financial backing to be able to purchase laws. (See Rockefeller's or Rothschild's).
Yes BK, you're right, which I think is a good thing. My comment was more directly pointed at Conservative / Republican posters who seem to be against helping Muslim nations based on recent history. Liberals tend to never be for getting involved without UN approval. I'm not exactly sure your overall point or what I was being dishonest about, but you're entitled to your opinion.
Just for clarification and clarity of where I sit, which may help understand where I stand, I consider myself a Libertarian on most issues, and Independent overall, but mostly when it comes down to it I vote for Republicans overwhelming. I am not an undecided, and plan on voting for Romney in the presidential election.
Whoever these animals belong too, they need to be found and eliminated. Problem is, there will be another group of animals right behind them to take their place. That's just the way it is in the uncivilized world in the middle east. They just haven't stepped far enough away from the camp fires to be part of the rest of the world. I hate people who harm innocent children and others, but I don't see how we could get involved without causing more damage, rather than less.
Actually they're called gatekeepers, among a few other positions in the media. Maybe if you would have went to college (or payed attention if you did go) you would know this. There's no "paranoia" necessary to understand the concept of controlled media. Here's another term: disinformation.
I'm sorry, I'm probably going beyond your understanding of a world larger than your front yard here. I'll stop before I give you a headache from the neurons in your brain forming new synaptic connections as a result of learning.
Many were jumping like you before Iraqi wars to the songs and dances by the Saudis, oil companies, Jewish lobbys and their agents like Bushes, McCains, Clintons, Libermanns and others.
UN and its agencies, human rights groups and other cheap agents on sale jump when money is thrown around.
Were WMDs and chemical weapons there in Iraq?
Soldiers with tanks vs rebels without tanks, and the ones with tanks need human shields?
Soldiers with long range artillery vs rebels who do not have long range artillery, and the ones with the long range artillery need human shields?
I would think Occam's Razor would be appropriate to apply here. Just because evidence show that children are being used as human shields does not necessitate that it is the government soldiers using them since the need would be so minimal due to their force superiority.
As Syrian rebels are supported by Sunni Saudi proxies like al-Qaida, MB and others, anything is possible.
It is difficult to trust anyone on these stories.
We have nothing to do with their centuries old Shiites vs Sunnis battles.
@RichardWalking
Ya, we shouldn't trust the UN conclusions. After all, they only went to Syria and gathered evidence and interviewed people.
This isn't Iraq and isn't about Iraq. But if you must bring it up you obviously want a history lesson and you must want one from a soldier.
Yes, there were "WMD's" in Iraq. It's a known fact that there were. How does one know this you ask? Well, funny thing: we sold them to Iraq. Just after the Gulf War the US senate (I forget the senate document #) had a meeting and clearly decided Iraq was not a threat nor a terrorist nation and thusly cleared it for the purchase of such weapons as anthrax and sarin. You can think of part of the war as a drug deal gone bad.
Of course this isn't to validate our invasion or continued presence there. Bush did what he did on his own accord and lies. That's an entire book in itself though. The fact remains however, there were weapons. Ask some soldiers (it may take quite a few). You will begin to hear stories of them knowing or seeing first hand (doubt anyone involved will talk) our own troops securing and eliminating these weapons. See, it looks very bad when we invade a country on the pretense that they have these horrible weapons. Then on the 10 o'clock news "Property of the US government" is plastered on the side of every weapon. This occurred during OIF1 and partly through OIF2.
This is an old story repeated many times. It's been going on for years and the media just noticed. The middle east has a history of putting women and children around military targets hoping that it will keep the targets safe.
Victor Purinton
I seem to remember a recent story stating that they weren't being let in and if they got to close or tried to sneak in, they were shot. Maybe it's just me but it seems like it would be difficult to "collect evidence and interview people" when you're dead or unable to talk to anyone.
Now I'm not saying human and child shields aren't being used. This is a very dirty war going on there. However, something doesn't stack up. Could it have been an isolated incident, maybe? Who knows, we definitely never will.
There was a comment about human shields being used when they have tanks and the "rebels" only have small arms. That's highly incorrect. The rebels have mounted weapons and RPG's, possibly more. Or has the world forgotten about that part? RPG vs Tank usually doesn't play out in the tanks favor.
He who cannot remember history is doomed to repeat it. That old saying is too true. Iraq had the same underlying fued, Sunni's against other Muslim sects. If you take out the leader, you just open up the civil war that is a constant. Then you get stuck as we did in Iraq while they fight it out, killing your men in the process and wasting billions of your dollars, only to be kicked out in the end by whomever ends up in power and the war goes on as it has for centuries. This is the only religion I know of that hates members of other sects of the same religion. Afghanistan is a pitiful attempt to change from tracking down terrorists and their supporters to nation building between this kind of fighting. A change that not only proved futile, it got us mired there when the job had been almost done. We don't need to get into this one. We need to work at preventing the growth of this kind of trouble on our own soil.
I think you people need to wake up! When ever an action is wanted by the powers that be, the mention the mistreatment of children and you people fall for it every time. Do you actually trust the UN findings open your eyes and read between the lines. They put that info out there to gain your support and you go with it because it makes you feel humane. The fact is our own government has used children as a shield. What do you think Oklahoma City was, the first they mentioned was the children that died in the daycare center on the ground floor. Did anyone ever question why they have a daycare center on the ground floor of a Federal building. Its so if anything like this was to happen they can use the innocents of the children to get what they want. ATF was loosing funding but after this they got all the money they needed. To much stuff going on and the Government has to much control all I can say is wake up people.
Such cowardly acts by vile and shameless brutes. I suppose if to tie a toddler to the front of your tank the world will pay attention. Is there any other life forms these murderers wouldn't rape, burn and slaughter, fluffy kittens or little lambs maybe?
with the amount of observers , media, photographers over there; how come no photo evidence ?
Pictures of kids being forced to ride on tanks into battle, should be easy to get.
Muslims have been using children as human shield for years. Remember during the IRaqi Iran war in the 80's The Iranian government had children walk in front of Iranian tanks. This was to protect the tanks from land mines. The children would blow up and save the tank.
Saddam Hussein would hid his airplanes next to hospitals and schools, so the US planes would not destroy them.
Do you not love Islam. The Men hide behind children and women.
Islam will never be friends with the West. We just value life differently.
The West cares for and protects their children, while Islam uses their children as human shields to protect their tanks and men.
Here are some dumb requests,
regardless of how you feel:
1) Confirmation of deaths from an outside source: Really? Do you even know what a war is? And one where they shoot the observers? But you are critical of not having any. Here's an idea...go there yourself or shut up.
2) Let someone else handle this: That's fiction. Nobody is handling it and that is why it is happening. The problem isn't someone else handling it. It is finding a way to stop it without sending troops. But Russia and China, who like to kill their own people, don't want someone telling them or governments like them, what to do. I say you are FOS unless what you want is China to demand all their money back right now, because they want us to handle their own problems...and you offer to take on personal debt to help the US pay it back.
3) Stop telling us this made up story: You need to go back to kindergarden, and start school over. When you learn what the media is, and how it functions, and something about the world you live in, you'll understand that there's a difference between biased media, making up stories, and then the emotionally troubled belief that all media all the time is fabricating lies and controlling your mind. If that is too much work, you can go live in the desert and keep looking for UFOs.
Now, it would be a lot more accurate, but show people the true a*sh*les they really are, if people simply said the following:
1) I am against anything because I don't like who the current President is. If he wants to save babies, I'll tell him he's wrong, no matter where those babies are. Because politics comes before policy.
2) I like cheap gas and I don't like my baby dying over someone elses. But as long as someone elses baby dies, it is good as long as I can save $2 a gallon or more.
3) I don't want us to piss off China and Russia even though they sh*t all over their own populations worse than the US. Because strategically they can kick our ass a lot more than Syria. And besides, I need my cheap s**t from WalMart, even if it means I lose my job. Which would be outsourced to some Russian or Chinese baby killer. Still, I didn't do it. They did.
Hey, you know what? I pick number 3. If you think there's a 'good guy' answer on that list, you go right the f**k ahead and suggest it. I'm going to love turning it on its face.
Here's a quote from General Smedley D. Butler (USMC) who was awarded 2 Medal of Honors, and was written between WWI and WWII.
"War is a racket. It always has been. It's possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses of life.
A racket is best described as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small "inside" group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes."
So if you think things have changes since 80 - 100 years ago, they have not. Those in power rally us up into a fighting frenzy so we will go to war for them, die and make them billions!
"It is difficult to trust anyone on these stories."
Especially somebody with a fistful of identities.
The only people supporting anyone in Syria are the Russians and Chinese supporting the government. This has devolved into Muslim on Muslim sectarian violence. The worst thing we could do is get involved. I would think if Iraq and Afghanistan have taught us anything it would be direct involvement in the Middle East is a no win situation
i would not feel heartbroken if we lose a few drones due to technical problems... send in the drones.... Asma should share the same fate as Al-Assad BTW.. no special treatment and i dont think the British would care in the least after her support of these horrific crimes against humanity
But I thought someone said Obama was muslim.
They said he was Muslin, on a cardboard sign, on a lawn.
I've just spoken to an activist who told me that F. Brinley Bruton raped, sodomized and sexually tortured his eight-year-old daughter. However, that claim can't be independently verified.
Hey BK, weren't the Republicans wanting to go into Libya? That is, until President Obama and the U.N. went into Libya. Now they cry and moan about the money it cost us. We never had combat troops on the ground and we were in and out before we even left Iraq. We were using old munitions and bombs to make room for newer and better bombs to drop in future conflicts. Doesn't that mean The President and the U.N. did the Republican's precious DoD a huge favor? Now they can give their buddies more millions to develop even newer bombs and munitions while claiming that slashing funds for social programs and education is the only way to stop spending money in this country.
Unbelievable. They even provide a video of the human shields, acting like human shields, AT GUNPOINT and some of you STILL think to debate about whether or not it's true. We bombed Libya for less than this. Why is it even still up for discussion? 15 months is too long. The decades we've ignored corrupt dictators in the Middle East and Africa is waaaay too long. We wanted to wait for an opportune time? Well, the Arab Spring was IT!
I wouldn't believe anything in the corporate media without other sources. Syria is an official "enemy" of the U.S. and the media take their que from that. Here's an article I found on line that has a different point of view:
British journalist “set up to be shot” by Syrian rebels
By Richard Tyler
12 June 2012
The mass media rarely questions the official version of events in Syria. It functions as a propaganda tool for the major imperialist powers to justify their policy of regime change in Syria and the region more broadly.
The role of the United States and the UK in deliberately stoking up sectarian conflict in Syria to this end, with the aid of Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey, is airbrushed entirely from media accounts.
An account filed last week by Alex Thomson, chief correspondent for Britain’s Channel 4 News, marked a rare and revealing breach in official propaganda. It gave an indication of what is really taking place on the ground and the filthy role being played by the Western-backed opposition.
On his blog, Thomson explained that during a trip to Syria he and his news team were deliberately set up by opposition forces to be killed by the Syrian Army….
…“Suddenly four men in a black car beckon us to follow. We move out behind. We are led another route. Led in fact, straight into a free-fire zone. Told by the Free Syrian Army to follow a road that was blocked off in the middle of no-man’s-land.”…
…The attempted killing of Thompson came the same week the US administration indicated that it is prepared to invoke Chapter VII of the UN charter, justifying military intervention, in relation to Syria. A spokesperson for Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said, “The secretary made clear Chapter VII remains on the table at the appropriate time”.
Thomson’s account received barely any coverage in the British media, let alone internationally. Except for the blog, Channel 4 appears not to have run an item on the near-death experience of its own news crew.
This same media has no problem running largely unsubstantiated accounts and photographs of the latest atrocities in Syria, all of which are attributed without evidence to the Assad regime. And there is no doubt that, had the FSA achieved its aim, the assault on the news crew would have been given prime coverage….
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/jun2012/thom-j12.shtml
Screw these people. Let them kill themselves off. When we help any of these middle eastern countries, they start chanting, "death to america" once they feel it is no longer convenient for us to be there. We've wasted enough money on these war mongering countries. They're hopeless!!
nothing new here-1200374
Obviously you are being sarcastic about the U.N. But anyway, NO, we shouldn't get involved.
If we do get involved there will be collateral damage caused by our military operations (it is pretty much inevitable, and it will include children, which is also pretty much inevitable), and the ones who would take over probably wouldn't be any better then Assad (personally I think extremists have taken over this revolution), and possibly even worse. This would also mean leaving our troops there for the next 50 years (or more), and considering the NATO rules of engagement, they will have no chance of actually winning, just like in Afghanistan (the Taliban is still around, still ruling in some areas, and it seems the minute our troops leave they will again take over the country).
And when all is said and done the U.S.A. will get blamed for everything, including the deaths caused by the rebels and the Syrian forces, and will only get more hate, not only from Syrians, but also internationally. Hopefully we have learned our lesson with Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan (and others).
Either way, unfortunately we do not understand middle-eastern countries very well, and we should let them be.
Jonathan-1982062,
YOU NEED TO STOP POSTING UNTIL YOU DO RESEARCH. By NOT doing the Research your Credibility is really starting to suck.
You kept posting before that President Assad was Shia, on the side of Iran, etc.. Your myths are debunked just like I said before, from the Article:
The population of Syria is Sunnis, President Assad is Sunnis.
Like I stated before, President Assad stated long before increased activities of Fundamentalist Islamic Al Quada Syria Activities before all this started. Then President Obama and SOS Clinton ignored him; then, started to call him Dictator.
I told you where these Fundamentalist Islamic Al Quada came from who was supporting them, why, when and what they started to do. How many times do you have to be told the FACTS.
The Shia are the Fundamentalist Islamic Believers as Muslims (Completely Subjugated to Islam). Example: The Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran.
Shia Traits (based on History): a. The use of Armed Force First, as "Dead people cannot complain" - Fundamentalist Islamic Arabic Omani Muslims (massacring millions of the Peaceful Islamic Believers at the Sudan for refusing to attack the Christians), "Empty Words" are what negotiations are., b. Zero Tolerance for anyone non Fundamentalist Islamic, hence the Sunnis and everyone else are "subhuman" and deserve to be killed (like the Kaffir (the Islamic N word), Peaceful African Islamic Believers of the Sudan)., c. Zero Tolerance for anything "Non Islamic" as the Fundamentalist Islamic Interpretation of Everything, the destruction of anything "Modern", "Western", "Non Islamic" at Afghanistan (Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban), Somalia (Fundamentalist Islamic Al Sheebah), Sudan (Fundamentalist Islamic Arabic Omani Muslims), Libya (Fundamentalist Islamic Libyan Islamic Fighting Group), Egypt (Fundamentalist Islamic Muslim Brotherhood), etc. plunging these Nations from the 20th or 21st Century into the Stone Ages., d. Use of the Fundamentalist Islamic Interpretations of the Holy Koran (Quran) as Shia (aka Sharia) Law, the Ancient Fundamentalist Islamic Customs (Hadith) as Laws., e. The use of Starvation and Fear as a Fundamentalist Islamic Weapon to force people to join Fundamentalist Islam or starve and face violence (daily beatings, rape, etc.), like at Afghanistan, Sudan, Somalia, Egypt, Iraq, Palestine, Gaza, etc.., f. Their Belief in Fundamentalist Islamic Leader Amin Al Husseini as a Hero (Superstar) of Islam with his 1933 Forever Alliance of the Islamic World with Chancellor Hitler, co founding the Fundamentalist Islamic Muslim Brotherhood, co founding the Fundamentalist Islamic Arab League of Nations with the Charter of the Extermination of the Jews, etc.. g. Usually the "poor" Islamic Nations and blame everyone else for their Internal Affairs, will stop International Humanitarian Assistance by armed force then blame those Nations for not providing assistance. h. Celebrate Ramadan by increasing of Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadist Activities, as the Days of Ramadan is actually the Celebration of the Defeats of the Christians, Jews, Unbelievers, like the massacres of the Christian, Jew defenders of Mecca as the original inhabitants. i. All Islamic Believers must participate in the Holy Koran (Quran) Calls to War Against the Christians, Jews, Unbelievers, and Collaborators to the Christians, Jews, Unbelievers must "Die a Horrible Murdering". j. Lots of etc. in every facet of their entire lives, like Amin Al Husseini's Mandatory School Curriculum (brain washed hatred of Christians (as Crusaders), Jews, Unbelievers, all blamed for their misery (their Islamic Nation's Government is not at fault for spending all their Wealth on weapons to fight the Christians, Jews, Unbelievers and nothing to develop their Islamic Nation) to continue their Hatred forever (Future Generations), etc.), previous use of human shields like hiding in Somalis, Sudanese, Iraqis, Afghan, Pakistanis Civilian homes.
The Sunnis are the "Liberal", "Modern", "Pro Western", "Moderate" Islamic Believers as far as Islam will allow. Example: US Ally Saudi Arabia Government.
Sunnis Traits: a. Just like the US And US Allies have the Academic Idealistic mentality of "We did not harm anyone so no one should harm us", as to why the Sunnis are the minority "sheep" that were killed off by the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia with the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia then becoming the Majority., b. Usually the "Moderate", "Liberal" Interpretation of the Holy Koran (Quran) and Islam, so Fundamentalist Islam (Shia) believe that Sunnis are Islamic Heretics to be killed.. c. Because of their "Moderate", "Liberal" Interpretations of Islam "Modern", "Western" are tolerated, accepted and even demanded., d. The use of Reason (Fiqh) as Law, so Human Rights, Citizen's Benefits, etc. as far as Islam will allow., e. Usually the "Rich" Islamic Nations, that usually will bring in Foreign Experts to Work for them. f. Will usually use Negotiations first and Armed Force last (preferred to have someone else fight for them).
President Obama in March 2009 stated his new Policy. This allowed the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran to fully support the Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists Camp at the entire Autonomous Kurdistanis Region of Northern Iraq, Border of Syria (and part of Syria), Southern Turkey, Northwestern Iran. The Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran had their Special Forces, Quds, training the Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists, equipping them with weapons, ammunition, Military Equipment, etc., the Fundamentalist Islamic Kurdistanis PKK, HPG, KGK, were providing them with Fundamentalist Islamic Sanctuary. In 2009 General McChrystal stated this after being shown the physical evidence, he stated this (The Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran was Directly Supporting the Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists, this was against President Obama's March 2009 Policy so he got a Letter of Reprimand).
In 2010, US Ally Turkey attacked the Autonomous Kurdistanis Region of Northern Iraq believing that only the Kurdistanis PKK, HPG, KGKwere there (the US Ally Turkey Special Forces did not conduct Special Reconnaissance). This turned into a War, as the US Ally Turkey started using Airstrikes, Artillery, Armor (Tanks), Mechanized Infantry, Special Forces, etc.. This is still going on. This caused the hundreds of thousands of Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists being trained or already trained in Asymmetric Warfare (Insurgency) to flee back to their Nations of Origin, like the "Peace Floatillas" of Fundamentalist Islamic Hamas Foreign Fighters going back to Gaza and Palestine, Fundamentalist Islamic Muslim Brotherhood back to Alexandria Egypt, Fundamentalist Islamic Libyan Islamic Fighting Group back to Libya, Fundamentalist Islamic Al Quada Syria to Syria, Fundamentalist Islamic Al Quada Yemen back to Yemen (to also reopen the Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadist Training Camps at Northern Yemen), Fundamentalist Islamic Al Sheebah back to Somalia, Fundamentalist Islamic Pakistanis Taliban flee with Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban (Afghanistan) and Fundamentalist Islamic Al Quada back to Afghanistan and Pakistan, Fundamentalist Islamic Chechen Foreign Fighters, lots of etc. on the US Department of State List.
History: The area as the Fundamentalist Islamic Autonomous Kurdistan Region has long been an Ally of the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran ever since the Iran Iraq Wars. After we Overthrew the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban at Afghanistan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arxKhJIjIiY) and lost many Team Members; the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban, Fundamentalist Islamic Al Quada, and many at the Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadist Training Camps fled to the Fundamentalist Islamic Autonomous Kurdistan Region at Northern Iraq and received Fundamentalist Islamic Sanctuary, rearmed, got stronger (combined with the Kurdistanis PKK, HPG, KGK) and became Ansar Al Islam. After President Bush pushed for US Law 2002 Iraqi War Resolution to overcome the objections of US Congress we augmented by the US Army 10th Special Forces Group went into the Fundamentalist Islamic Autonomous Kurdistan Region to attack those Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists that escape us at Afghanistan during 2002 Operation Hotel California and lost a majority of our Team Members. After the Primary Missions of Operation Hotel California we conducted those Missions to accomplish US Law, H.R. 4655 "Iraqis Liberation Act of 1998" as US Military Operation Iraqis Freedom, starting with the capture of the Iraqis Chemical Weapons Facility at Sargat. In 2004 we were finally allowed to Stand down after losing so many Team Members that we knew since Operation Cyclone so that we could replace all our dead, retrain new Team Members, reorganize the Teams, retrain for the new 2005 Mission (return to Afghanistan to conduct US Military Asymmetric Mountain Warfare (aka Special Warfare) at the same areas that we were at during Operation Cyclone. In 2006 President Bush (43) Amended the US No Assassination Policy and the Mission to Locate and Capture Osama Bin Laden was added to the US Mission at Afghanistan, failing to locate and capture Osama Bin Laden the Termination of OBL was authorized as a last resort (considered a Mission Failure, OBL milked for information (Not Intelligence until verified) from since before the 1993 First World Trade Center Bombing).
After returning back to their Nations the Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists start to do as they were trained (Asymmetric Warfare, Insurgency) by the Special Forces, Quds, of the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran, starting Civil Wars by convincing the People to Fight for their Cause(s) for perceived injustices. Of course the People believe that their lives will be better after the Overthrow of their Government, usually this is not the case regarding Fundamentalist Islam (too late after Fundamentalist Islam takes over, zero tolerance to prevent their own Overthrow). Many Nations start to report increased activities of the Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists and demand assistance, President Obama and SOS Clinton ignore them, call them Dictators, and start praising their defeats as "Democracy" Movements as to say otherwise is against President Obama March 2009 Policy. After the Adverse Results Worldwide become known, President Obama's March 2009 Policy is removed 2012 from the Democratic National Committees List of President Obama's Achievements.
@Shaking my head:
Speaking of history, guess you didn't read that one about the Catholic church attempting to wipe out Protestantism (and vice versa, depending on when and where you are in the timeline), did you?
Assad is Alawite. Alawite is a specific sect of Shia Islam.
Oh yeah, "real man and heroes" these Muslim pig-heads are. Fine religion and real warriors that dress in women garbs and hide behind children.
Oh yes, Dumbama will help you. He is one of you, remember, he said so. Just make sure you cowards stay the fu.k away from me. Muslims and Islam are despicable.
John Doe-2437959, actually rocket propelled grenades and other anti-tank weapons can be an equalizer against tanks and armor personal carriers, but it is not a assured of such. But because the RPGs are an equalizer is why an organized military with tanks still used ground infantry. Its the combined forces technologies that gives the Syria military the advantages, and they do have advantages. Historical evidence shows that if a force has superior forces, they do not need "human shields" but would roll over their opposition like a juggernaut. In history, "human shields" have been used many times but most often than not, they are used by the defending force to prevent the aggressive force from their offensive action.
But that being said, even if human shields are being used by a group that is "in favor" of the Syrian government, that does not necessarily mean it IS the Syrian government that is using. The problem with this article, and much of what is being said by official UN inspectors, is that they believe that "human shields" are being used. They believe, from their interviews of one side, that the ones using them are supporters of the Syria government (ie. pro-Syrian militias). And then these inspectors give an opinion that international forces must intervene against the Syrian government to make it stop. Yet, they did not make a connection to the Syrian government, only to people that side with the Syrian government. That is not the same thing.
Here is a question for you, if the world removes Assad, his government, and all of the top generals of the official Syrian Army, would that stop the uncontrolled militias no both side from doing atrocities in the country? It has not happen in Lybia when the world seen that Qaddafi was assassinated. Why would Syria be different?
John Doe: When one fights too many meaningless wars, one can get mixed up.
I wish NATO forces would have won in Iraq instead of running under the cover of huge forces.
Also in Afghanistan, I wish "mission was accomplished" long time back. Even after 11 years, not many have clues on how to win or run!
Shall I point out: most (including NATO) don't know what they are talking and doing.
My main points are:
1. Don't fight too many wars at the same time.
2. When going to battles, it should battles to win and not run.
3. There should be sizeable advantages in going to wars.
For these reasons, I am against all worthless interventions in Syria and Iran.
OK. There's the setup. Bring on Dave the problem solver.
This garbage is heart wrenching. I cannot even imagine what those poor mothers are going through. How I wish these horrors could just stop. Why can't they just stop??
I wrote an article on my blog. I always do something that bothers Americans. American media, with their twisted agenda and lack of moral fibre, mess up the (news) world. Enough about me.
Here is a published comment on this very subject of Human Rights and (Muslim) dictators.
NPR published it. Thanks NPR.
Sid Harth (navanavonmilita) wrote:
Lot of words are being thrown around over Bashar Al-Assad’s, not yet proven, role in massacre of innocent, women and children included.
I hate such absolutely scripted news, views and reviews in the US media.
Here is one for you, bleeding hearts of the right wing (Christian) fundamentalist skinheads.
Learn some basic social and political behavior in the (Muslim) world before crying wolf, every time some or other dies in the land of Islam.
Thanks NPR.
…and I am Sid Harth@webworldismyoyster.com
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How is the Associated Foreign Press "US Media" exactly?
"enough about me"?? Too much about you Sid. Was there something important in that comment? I missed it.
Sid, I agree that we do not know it is not Islamic Fanatics that are killing the defenseless and blaming it on Assad. Maybe it is Assad and maybe not...it really doesn't matter. It is not like I care anymore what happens in the Semitic World. One group of dipsticks killing another group that will end up being worse that the people that they attack.
If Assad were smart, he would give every soldier that kills a "Resistance Fighter" one third of what the person owned and let him have the women and children as slaves. Worked for Muhammad, why not for Assad?
I know the basic social and political behaviour. Am I close?
It wouldn't work for Assad because his cult supporters are only about 10% of the population. They're better armed than others, but that's shifting which should lead to some interesting conflict. A psychotic regime is unraveling, which may or may not end well.
Nice to see the cowards among the Islamic world hard at work using kids for protection. Such a peaceful bunch over there, mighty high values also. Using kids as shields, stoning females, continual degradation of females. Please sign me up for this culture of abuse.
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Excuse me for being obtuse, but was this the pith of your post? Seems irrelevant at best. At worst, it's the use of an unmitigated tragedy to take a cynical and clumsy potshot at your own political opponents.
Perhaps clue us in to the "basic social and political behavior" of the Muslim world that you suggest will help us to better understand these events.
Tretrapoda, Mohamed used to just lead a gang of robbers...next thing you know he is worshiped as a Profit and has a following of almost a Billion and a half people.
Never underestimate the power of greed and desire to be a master over others.
Sid...you need to lay off the kool aid.
Assad is still the best ruler in ME nations.
If atrocities and barbarism on girls, children and women are the criteria, then the most despotic, autocratic and bigoted Sunni Saudi ruler with his 5000 princes and princesses, Kuwaiti, UAE and other Arab League Sunni rulers and their rich sheiks are the biggest culprits in the history.
Through the Muslim immoral trafficking gangs, these barbarians have assembled all varieties of poor and helpless girls and women from all over the world in their harems and brothels.
If the US, Britain and others support such Sunni barbarians and beasts who treat girls and women as cheap sex slaves, then one can only conclude that Saudis, oil companies and their lobbyists determine what to see, how to lecture and where and when to act.
Rest like “human rights”, “killing of children and women”, “militants”, “terrorists”, “WMDs”, “chemical weapons” and so on are a pure hoax.
Similar hoaxes were played each time before Iraqi wars on directions of Saudi, oil companies and their lobbyists.
Now none of them are looking into Iraq, where millions have been killed and devastated.
Twice are too much to tolerate.
Millions killed in Iraq? Millions of what? Red ants? For sure, no millions of Iraqis, EVEN when Sadam was alive and fighting Iran less than a million died.
But...feel free to jump the numbers up.....in fact...now that I think about it...maybe it was tens of millions were killed in Iraq...yeah, yeah...no wait a minute...wasn't it a hundred million? Or was it 2 hundered million?
I read where Obama will let Russia build missle bases in Cuba after he is re-elected.
Sid -
"...bleeding hearts of the right wing (Christian) fundamentalist skinheads"?
Priceless! And NPR publicized this? I used to respect them.
Jonathan-1982062,
Now you are outright LYING to these people.
Your (American) English is better; but, your FACTS are Nonexistant.
DO YOUR RESEARCH.
PROOF Read post #1.42.
I think we should all just stop reading or believing or thinking or forming any opinions that aren't endorsed and imparted to us by david-475776 as he is obviously so much smarter and well informed than the rest of us. All you folks who do not agree with david need to just realize that you are wrong and just wait for him to post one of his long-winded sermons and thank God that he is here to guide you out of the darkness.
He actually uses his own posts as proof that he is correct.
Dave and Jonathan drive together and I'm pretty sure they carpool with MOS and the brand new syria doctor.
these people are animals and only care about huring others including women and children they are nothing in thier culture/religion rape torture and murder using women and children as human shields . I would never help people like that they are a lost cause and assad and his golddigger wife should both be hangged as they are doing nothing . we as americans need to just look the other way we went and helped iraq and afganies and look what it got us. so tough tihs to them . they have been fighting and doing the same things since the begining of time they will not change they will never become civilized . thier culture /religion will not let them . they have to have all this crisis to keep the blood lust alive!
There is a fine line where coecion no longer has the effect of submission through fear, but instead inspires fearless rebelion. If that line is crossed, then the writing is on the wall, and Assad is doomed. For every home destroyed there will be 100 new emboldened rebels. If the evidence of these tortures and massacres of innocents points to the regime, then reasonable support becomes untenable even for his international supporters. Assad may have tanks, but this is the 21st century, and a footsoldier with a well placed rocket launched grenade, or phosphorous bomb can level the playing field.
My greater fear is, who is the opposition?
That's kind of like what the US did.
Despite overwhelming international opposition - we start 2 wars in middle eastern, muslim countries - kill 250,000 civillians (120,000 were women and children) and create generations of terrorists that will stop at nothing to attack us. We call that National Security and the sheep eat it up.
From the facts I have seen, the US has not started any wars in the Middle East. Iraq? Saddam started the war by invading Kuwait and we came to the rescue, yes? Afghanistan? I think the war in Afghanistan was already on-going when we chose to jump in, yes?
Seven...just keep drinking the kool-aid.
jonedep: So typical. When you have nothing intelligent to say about the facts, attack the commentator. What happened to, "Oh Yeah?". That would have worked just as nicely. Every educated person knows that light travels faster than sound. That is why people seem bright until you hear them speak. You gave yourself up for everyone to see.
Seven...that is a cute comment. And yes the first post was correct.
Seven...
I'm not a Tip O'neil fan, but he'd hit the nail on the head when he said:
"you are entitled to the facts, just not your own set of facts."
Your claim that the US didn't really "start" the wars certainly falls under the heading of "creative thinking". Any chance you are a former Bush Administration appointee? Either way - pour another glass...
jonedep: While I admit that "drinking the kool aid" solved a few Darwin issues, I don't believe there is a cure for what ails you. To quote someone else, "There ain't no cure for stupid". People sometimes say, "You are too smart for your own good", but I can observe you are in no danger of that at this time.
Seven...I'm stupid, huh...a person once quoted to me:
With statements like:
Something nobody will ever accusse you of is "being too smart for your own good."
jonedep: You are making this too much fun. You are a great "straight man". I might not be as smart as you but I do know how to spell "accuse". Third graders know how to spell this. Did you take the short bus to school? This is sort of like calling someone a "moran" LOL. As far as attacking the commentator, well......you started it so I am just playing by the rules you created. Usually it is my practice to never have a battle of wits with someone who is unarmed. But you are such a great foil for my comments, I just can't help it. You just keep helping me prove my point.
Seven...so now you're the spelling Nazi (did I spell that right?).
FYI, it' called a typo - that's short for typographical error.
The only proof we need of your ignorance is your statements.
To quote you once again:
Please, before you comment again, think about saying something intelligent and on point.
jonedep: Okay, I will. How about you learning to read?
Wiki: The Invasion of Kuwait, also known as the Iraq-Kuwait War, was a major conflict between the Republic of Iraq and the State of Kuwait, which resulted in the seven-month long Iraqi occupation of Kuwait, which subsequently led to direct military intervention by United States-led forces in the Gulf War.
Okay dimwit? Maybe you should clean the windshield on your Burka so you can see the words clearly. If you have any problems understanding the "big" words let me know, I will explain them to you.
Seven...
I'm sure we'd all like to hear you expand on your concept that the US didn't start a war by invading Iraq in 2003 becuase SH invaded Kuwait first. Wait a minute, I thought he invaded Kuwait in 1990 and we liberated it that same year. Hmmm.
And in 2002, there was already an ongoing war in Afghanistan? And we:
Please show us all how smart you are and enlighten us to these "facts".
Seven...
You sure do alot of name calling.
Jonedep
The US did not create Islamic terrorists. That's a ruse for the ignorant. America's first foriegn war was with Islamic terrorism back in 1801. Back then, most Americans had no idea what Islam was. Islamic terrorism goes back much further than even the war with Tripoli. Islamic terror began with the inception of Islam. Terrorism is written in the doctrine and scriptural imperatives of the Koran and Hadith. It is repeated throughout history. Seems it's tenets are forgotten each generation as it slowly strangles the civilizations that happen to reside at it's immediate borders.
The words of Sidi Haji Abdrahaman abassador envoy of the Ottoman Turks explained the right of why they were attacking unarmed American merchant ships. This is in 1801:
[the right] was founded on the Laws of the Prophet (Mohammed), that it was
written in the Koran, that all nations who should not have answered their
authority were sinners, that it was a right and duty to make war upon them
wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as
prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go
to heaven.
Charles...
I could not agree with you more, I say that with 110% senserity. However, what US involvement in two long, drawn out wars in Muslim countries has done, is to create thousands of MORE terrorist. In short, it's a self sustaining force. When we kill 250,000 civilians, half of which were/are women and children, we have to expect there will be a certain umber of people willing to sacrifice their lives for vengeance.
Imagine you live in some dirt hole country, along comes a Predator drone and drops a bomb that kills your wife and 3 kids. OK great, it also killed some Ahole terrorist in the mud hut next door. So what, your family is still dead. A little later along comes this guy who says - "They killed your family, huh. Well if you want to get back at the people who killed your family, I got a plan. Strap this on and press this button."
I can't say enough about how much money "the war on terror" has cost us. Internally and externally, what 5-8 trillion? What a waste.
Anyway - GET OUT NOW AND NO NEW WARS!!!!!!!!!
jonedep: You intimated that I was crazy with your "Kool aid" comment to me. Did you not? Or have you already forgotten? Also is "alot" another "typo"? A lot is actually two words. When you are typing, and you see a red line form under a word you typed, it means it is misspelled. As in "duh?" You just keep them coming and I will point them out to you. Just playing by the rules you started.
As for our invasion of Iraq in 2003. This was brought upon by Saddam's refusal to abide by the sanctions of the first war. And, by the way, his own country hung him for crimes he committed against his own people. He killed more of his own people than anyone else, including the US military and allied forces. Remember? Have a sip?
Folks we need to get the body count higher..there is much work that still needs to be done..GO Rebels
Seven...
I intimated that you were misinformed, not crazy. I intimated that your understanding of the subject is most likely limited to watching Fox News and listening to Rush Limbaugh. You, on the other hand, just throw (did I spell that right) insults.
More with the typos? Anal retentive and OCD, wow you got it all.
As for our invasion of Iraq in 2003, I know that was the official line. Guess what - you fell for it.
We invaded, then left. Then we invaded again. Two invasions, two wars, most people know them as the First and Second Gulf Wars.
What do I care how many Iraqis SH killed? Nobody did, until he invaded Kuwait and started taking their (our) oil. I still don't care. Just like I don't care how many get killed in Syria. I'm more concerned with balancing our budget and not sell our kids future to the Chinese. You on the other hand, would rather borrow money to fight a war where WE gain NOTHING. Great Plan.
jonedep: "As for our invasion of Iraq in 2003, I know that was the official line. Guess what - you fell for it."
Yes I guess I fell for it. Well now is your chance to tell us, the uniformed, the real reason. You must work for the CIA if you know a different reason and can prove it. I await your proof with facts. I know many people say it was for oil. I tell them. Really? I guess it was, as you can tell by the price of gas in the USA now.
There were massacres in the past but at this point it looks like it has gone too far for too long and been too bloody & been too nasty. This is going to be like the breakup of Serbia.
I think we better get used to slaughter and genocide in Syria. The question is how much will it pull in the surrounding region, and who gets Syria's WMD's. I wonder if Assad will unleash chemical weapons?
You go Slavia...Well, to be fair, the Serbs did run the place until Tito died...
Well more accurately Yugoslavia, although Kosovo which broke away was a part of Serbia itself.
Ok come on...don't take the fun out of it. You go Slavia...
If 75% of the population are of his own tribe, it should be a short war.
About 1/4 of the population is in Assad's group.
Thing is while they have most of the weapons NOW, you can obtain weapons more easily than you can triple your own population.
Other way around Leon. 75% or Syrians are Suni, Assad is an Alawaty (not sure how to spell that) which in an off shoot of Shia Islam. So he is from a minoraty group.
When did using children & women as shields become so distasteful in a culture where indiscriminate suicide bombings and or artillery barrages is part of the culture.
The perpetrators & their affiliated groups can call themselves anything they want Muslim, Christian, Sunis etc. when in fact they are mere power hungry adults with no morals only trying to justify their insane behavior.
This shouldnt be an issue, Obama accepts them as collateral damage anyhow.
Just sayin.
Yeah, sorry for the kids, but if the tank is coming to my position, it and the kids would go up in smoke. Either fight a war or don't.
What the Western Press intentionally leaves out of these articles is that Assad relies not only on his army, and the newly named Shabbiha, but also HAMAS to terrorize and kill his opposition.. Iranian sponsorship of HAMAS plays a key role in support of Assad. They can't afford to lose Assad. And you can bet HAMAS is behind the TERRORISM against Syrian Civilians. Which will take weeks before we find out..
How is the Associated Foreign Press "Western Press"?
Really? Hamas members in significant numbers are leaving Gaza for Syria? I assume you have some kind of proof for this, besides some delusional commentator on Fox "News" or something.
Muslims have always showed cowardly acts. using women and children as shields . this should not cause us to enter there war. we are fools for helping the muslim Brotherhood thugs take over other countries ! what country has showed there better off ?
It's too bad the killers always survive in this world.
I wonder what people, and the world would be like if killers did not reproduce throughout history ?
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I guess this would be Putins, and Chinas proudest moment. As for us; nothing but shame.
The cries for a NATO intervention in Syria ring hollow since NATO is the party that is causing the chaos and sponsoring the terrorists who are behind senseless massacres of Syrians. American journalist Stephen Lendman says Syria is a victim of imperialist aggression and that its government has been on Washington’s sights for quite some time. Lendman:
Syria’s national independence and social unity are threats to the U.S.-Israeli empire of genocide. The cabal of war criminals in Washington, London, and Tel Aviv are using the sectarian card in Syria to its maximum effect. The CFR and other globalist-imperialist organizations that aim to split Syria along ethnic and religious lines are pushing the false narrative that Syria is in a civil war and innocent Syrians are being massacred by their government. These are lies.
TOR...THANK YOU for pointing out the TRUTH!!!!
It is the JEWS that are doing the instigation all through the ARAB world. God...don't you know that it is always the JEWS, it is NEVER the Arabs that do anything on their own. Hell Arabs only get out of bed in the morning because of the JEWS. In fact, the only reason the Arabs exist is because of the JEWS...the damn JEWS....again, it is all their fault.... I actually love to see the Moslems rise up against the oppression of their fellow Moslems and know that it is the JEWS making them do everything. Kind of like remote control.
I mean, Moslems do not have any control of the trigger they pull. That is all the will of Allah. If Allah doesn't want me to pull the trigger, he will stop me.
Personally, any god that needs my help to kill someone is weak and worthy of no worship.
I'm impressed, a thread combining tinfoil hat conspiracy theories with good ol' fashioned anti-Semitism. You don't think that a group of people might be pushed into armed rebellion simply by decades of totalitarian government?
Tetrapoda, I trust you could tell I was being sarcastic? I lived in the Middle East for about 5 years and no matter what happened in the world, it was always the fault ot the US and the Jews.
It is a sorry part of the world...
MUSLIM BROTHER HOOD is a force to be distroyed it is a hate and kill group of muslims calling on the children to protect their evil ways, they want to take over the world one country at a time, i am calling for an end to the Muslim brotherhood NOW BEFORE IT'S TO LATE
unfortunately we have a president that supports the thugs !
I'm calling for an end to stoopid commentary NOW BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!
Ahh... the religion of peace strikes again. Peace be upon you.
I'm personally waiting for the Baptist vs. Methodist war. That should be a good one to watch or at least something different.
This is an Arab problem, and it requires an Arab solution.
I am not surprised about this as these people in the Muslim radical world have no respect for human life.
To use children is just sickening !!!
Nothing but a bunch of cowards !!!
please keep us out of this war !!!! Muslims have always used cowardly acts ! remember 9-11 !!!!!!!!
Steve and Sam...
Carefull - your bigotry is showing.
This will all work out, Hillary has already warned them 3 times. There...taken care of.
They had better watch out. I believe there is a 'tsk tsk' waiting in side that she may let loose of.
What we need to realize is there is no nice way to bring the middle east into the modern world. We need to either join them (sarcasm if you please) or let them reach the point of no return. At which time the machinery of WW III will have already been set to the point of no return.
How's that for doom & gloom.
Yeah, yeah, "bringing in the Middle East into the 'Modern WORLD' - like the United Snakes (US/Israel) war criminals that use white phosphorus, DIME, cluster bombs and nerve gas (US in Fallijah) to quell the natives." In the end we have to go with Reverend Wright's famous words in 2008 when O'Bubba, our Peace Prize Laureate and (Of late) war criminal and (I Love 'kiling with my Predators') US President: "God damn AmeriKKKa!'
all religions should be outlawed, religion is the ulitmate weapon of mass destruction
So are technology, economics, politics, the media...there is such a thing as cultural imperialism e.g. Shakespeare in the British Raj....
Religion isn't the problem. People can pervert anything--be it ever so beneficent--to bad ends. Are we to "outlaw" every one of these things? Good luck with that.
@concerned citizen.
The largest crimes in the history and killings of tens of millions of people were made in the 20th century by atheists, leftists, and socialists, such as national-socialist Hitler, communist Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc., etc.
Our moral values are based on the G-d given Bible; the contemporary civilization and all its achievements could not be possible without the Bible. Compare this to the barbarity of the Muslim world based on the HUMAN-made Koran.
do your reseach before you post, hitler was a christian and did his killings in the name of his deity
Ivan Smith
The Christian Bible was just as "HUMAN MADE" as the Koran.
I heard a while back that more people had died in the name of Jesus than in the name of Hitler. I’d always wondered if it was true, it seemed perfectly plausible given the persistence and viciousness of the Vatican during the Crusades. Unfortunately, I had found it difficult to find a number of deaths from the Crusades. But, I found in Google Answers, this webpage that chronicles numerous human conflicts and includes a category for religious conflicts. The numbers are hazy, of course, when we’re speaking about conflicts hundreds or thousands of years ago when death tallies were not a priority or of mild interest like they are today.
In short, 809 million people have died in religious wars. That’s nearly a billion people.
Oftentimes, a retort is that secular ideals and Godless Communism have killed many more. It is true that Stalin, among others, slaughtered his own people by the millions during the industrialization of Soviet Russia. By comparison, 209 million have died in the name of Communism. Some 62 million died during World War II, civilian and military, on all sides. Conclusively, more people have died in the name of religion than in the name of Communism or Hitler, or the two combined times two.
There is nothing conclusive about your post. You're plainly a very young product of our public education system. You don't want to go to church or temple? Fine. But understand that a great many people draw comfort from religion. Much good has been done by many people who feel closer to their higher power or great spirit or whatever as a result of religion. The fact that something can be misused does does mean the thing itself is bad.
My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter.
- Adolf Hitler
As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. - Adolf Hitler
Quoting a lunatic is not providing a representative example. By doing so, you merely illustrate the hollowness of your argument. Moreover, the fact that you think outlawing religion will solve anything reveals you to be solidly grounded in the lunatic fringe of far left liberalism.
Any other thoughts or beliefs that you recommend we outlaw?
ConcernedCitizen, Don't blame God for the evil doings of mankind. Yes, there has been a lot of evil done in the name of Christ. The Spanish Inquisitions, witch burnings in our early history and across Europe along with all the ancient wars fought by Crusading armies in which massacre and pillage were the real reason. But it wasn't God's doing. Governments long ago found that religious beliefs are perfect for controlling the masses. The Pope comes to mind. Saddam Hussein is a perfect example of a so called Muslim who actually worshiped only himself but controlled his people using THEIR religious beliefs. It's what the GOP has been doing with the religious right. These GOP politicians have no real Christian beliefs. They are using Christians for political gain. Just as these Mid East dictators use their people's Muslim beliefs.
I know God is not to blame. And please don't ask that stupid question all atheists ask,"If God is real why does he let bad things happen?" That one just makes me crazy!
DEIPHOBE ALERT!!!!!!!!
The USA was going to send a drone in,But the Navy Crashed it yesterday...
That drone was to go to Iran!
Clearly these things are not human, as humans do not treat their children in such a manner. Send in the Okin man, we got some exterminating to do.
I can neither believe nor disbelieve reports of atrocities by Assad forces. One cannot discount false-flag operations conducted by anti-Iranian forces. (CIA, Mossad, MI6, DGSE) (I'd consider the DGSE since that area used to be French stomping grounds and we know they were in Libya in 2011)
The Iranians are no doubt knee-deep in the Syria civil war and the West sees Syria as the opening military moves in the big game against Iran. In a game of chess, the pawns always go first
I would hope that the West would supply better weapons and have some....oh...I don't know...perhaps some Political Contacts in Syria? Maybe someone to better help organize a civil army? If we wanted to smuggle people and arms into Syris, hell, we could do it through Israel...but for some reason, we are not doing that.
Perhaps because the West IS NOT BEHIND the Arab uprisings. The PEOPLE are rising up against injustice. Of course the new boss will be worse, but hey, that is the next story.
One does not simply drive to Walmart and buy an anti-tank system. I doubt that is much easier in Syria. Somebody's helping.
Pagan,
an RPG7 is nothing like an AT4. An AT4 goes in one side and goes out the other taking everyone inside with it. I don't see any American weapons in play, just scavenged equipment from the Syrian Army (Russian and Iranian made).
I thought the Syrian rebels were also using RPG-18, which is a similar light anti-tank weapon like an AT4, although with very slightly less penetration.
I know the Syrian army have a fair number of T72M1 tanks, which I thought could resist a fair amount of light-anti-tank fire. What models of tanks have been gotten destroyed in Syria so far?
MOSinEUR -
Not the next story - an old story.
The WHO: "meet the new boss, same as the old boss . . ." (We Won't Be Fooled Again)
Propaganda. The US and its allies are working to destabilize the country - and this is propaganda rubbish. Notice how there's a report of all these horrible things done to children - and then we get the closest thing to a victim of the violence we can possibly get: somebody that was marched down the road, insulted, and released.
Russia will not take kindly to regime change in Syria - and neither will China - and the US/allies are well aware of it.....They're trying to pick a fight. Nothing helps a global recession like good old-fashioned war.
How do you think we got out of the great depression?
times have changed! we are taxed too the hilt now as it is !
That's what I was saying. I'll try to be more clear. WW1 and WW2 both served to get the world out of a financial/economic mess. The situation is no different now.
BOB Bobarino
Thank you !!
You helped me make my point . And that is we are being suckered into another war we don't want or need . The military / industrial complex through the use of the media are pounding the war drums , tugging at our heart strings all for their own profit.
bob
I think Syria is more of a smoke screen to take attention away from Israel getting ready to bomb Iran.
I would say we totally agree. When you see reports of "women and children" being massacred or used as human shields or whatever, always be suspicious. It's no different than the reports that came out of the midwest during the 19th century of cannibal indians eating women and children - same ole', same ole' - simply propaganda to justify imperialistic aggression.
"I think Syria is more of a smoke screen to take attention away from Israel getting ready to bomb Iran"
Syria and Iran have a treaty whereas Iran is obligated to defend Syria in a conflict (like Germany/Japan in WW2). I don't think Syria's a smoke screen - It's a means of going through the back door for a war with Iran.
Bob Bobarino
I think you are on to something there. If so I would look for Turkey to be the staging area and jump off point .
bob
why worry about that country when the us is flooding the treets of america with drugs flying stealth helicoptors and poisining are own people to build more prisons bigger jails and causing the crime rates to go up to justify this.
Was this written from an inmate at some jail?
WHO.... CARES. Let the middle eastern animals exterminate each other and do the rest of the world a favor. Muslims are primitive and do not have the brain capacity to become civilized, so go ahead a burn a Qurazy'an or two to celebrate!
So what? Saddam Hussein and the Taliban did or do the same. According to the media they were good guys. Why then is Assad any different? Does this mean Sean Penn and George Clooney are going to go to Syria and have a love fest with Assad?
Owwweeee, damn....someone with a memory of years past...
I think that Assad is being very conservative in how he is putting down of the rebellion. Hell, the Chinese killed thousands in Tienanmen Square and still use them as slave labor, but to the whole world, it is business as usual.
Assad screwed up by failing to kill everyone involved in the uprising from the get go. He should ask Putin for help. I am sure that Putin could call up some old Spetnatz friends to lead a couple of thousand Russian volunteers to wipe out the resistance for Assad.
The Spetnaz is already in Syria. Most certainly protecting Russian interests at Tartus, and likely being deployed in other key areas. (Damascus, Latakia)
paganponderer
The Spetznatz have already been in Syria. Both TASS and PRAVDA news agencies boasted that it was Spetznatz that help Saddam smuggle his most expensive military weapons out of Iraq to Syria. Something MSNBC, ABC, CBS and CNN did not report.
Tell ya what. When Rosie O'Donnel, Joyless Behar, Susan Sarandon, Bill Mahrer, George Clooney get off their @sses and do something then maybe I will support intervening. Tired of being incited to go into combat only to be mocked and assaulted by those who wanted intervention to begin with.
I'm right with you pround... you won't have me mocking you. I was opposed to attacking Saddam and I'm opposed to intervening in Syria now. Doesn't matter who is president; a bad idea is a bad idea.
China supports Syria. Why aren't they sending Chinese children for human shields? They don't want their children.
what a shock!! next we will be hearing that they are using hospitals to launch rockets and bombing school busses. this is common place in the entire area why the try for a headline on an cultural habit that is dailey life in the mid east
Children as human shields?That only works against the great infidel United States.Against each other, not so much.
where have you been getting your information, indymaverick, this is common knowledge throughout the middle east and in asia. there is a lack of values and morals from the men with regards to women and children. they are treated as second class people, lower than their animals which are treated better. time to respect and treat each other with kindness.
Sort of like the United Snakes (UA/Israel) treat the people of AF/PAK, Somalia, Yemen and Palestine, huh Pilgrims?