@leiya

That is one of the failures of the US Media, that leads to so many Americans having a poor understanding of the larger world...When a reporter gets off the airplane, they almost always head for the city/country slums as a back drop for their reports...though I've never been to Kabul or Pakistan for that matter, there is always, places just outside of the camera's view that are as peaceful/beautiful as any you may want to vacation at...Even the poorest, war torn, corrupt, diseased countries in the world has tourism oppurtunities...it is why we are always surprised, when their are news reports of a kidnapping / murder of tourists in places that the Average American couldn't fathom wanting to visit

Yea i don't understand why they are even around anymore, why have they not killed their self's off yet and with us hunting them as well they should be history by now WW11 didn't take this long

These Islamic religious Nazis/Afghan police are getting worried about "women" and "children" too! Is it not a crazy world there?

How many Muslim militant factions are there in Pakistan, the real backstabber and Afghanistan.

It appears Pakistan is too busy inventing them and exporting them right now into Pakistan!

So much for Taliban concern for civilian casualties. They actually target the civilians.

And they are complaining about civilian losses from drone attacks????

Most dangerous Haqqani network is a Paki proxy.

Pakistan is recruiting, training and staging ground for the Islamic militants fighting NATO forces.

Half of NATO forces are deaths are due to Pakis.

To reduce NATO forces losses, carpet bomb the Paki militant areas just like 1991 Iraqi war.

Drone attacks are not proving effective noticing the manner in which militants are attacking right in Kabul.

Ah, the religion of peace is at it again, I see.

Wow. The ole "winning the hearts and minds" thing has gone over real big in that rathole, hasn't it????????

*Rolls eyes*

They can't KILL these PRICKS, because they're NOT one...UNTIL they show themselves to be ONE. They simply "blend in" with the population, "until" they show their true colors.

THAT is the nature of COWARDS who fight with HIT and RUN tactics. We have a FEW here in AMERICA. That is the only way they KNOW how to fight. "Hit and Run".

Or...get killed......doing it.

Unfortunately..."good people" ONLY know how to fight a "fair" fight. But NOT these creeps.

Ralph, you mean "hit and run gorilla" like we did against the superior forces of the British in the American Revolution????? I would NOT use that argument if I was you.

All hotels in every country have some of this going on. The nature of the business on the road tends to foster that, no?

That does not excuse their actions for being angry at a Hotel (more like using it as a thin a moral excuse for their actions). Nor does it excuse taking civilians into the mix. That is terrorism.

Also this type of stuff can now happen anywhere in the world, and worse things do every day in poorer countries with small groups of individuals committing atrocities against each other, but you will never hear of it.

Ralph,

Not to take you to task unfairly, but I have to go with Bill Maher on this one. The need of those in the US to characterize enemies who don't fight in exactly the same style as 'cowards' is self-serving to the point of lunacy. The US has had one of the most powerful and effective military machines in the world for some time now, and for anyone to simply agree to 'meet them in an alley and duke it out' would be suicidal; the Taliban doesn't seem inclined to waste a suicide in so cavalier a fashion.

I'm not taking their side, but they have a set of beliefs they feel duty-bound to defend. The US stance toward them precludes anything resembling a dialogue, and so the discourse is carried out by means of violence - pointless (to us), wasteful, unproductive, but to some, cathartic, and we play into that dynamic when we respond to them on their terms. If there was truly a will to do this differently, then a different approach would be taken, but it's clear that the US gov't has an ongoing need for 'bogeymen' as a target for fear and loathing, and so far, the US citizenry has been the primary sap for this game of misdirection.

Ralph, who do you think trained them to hit and run? Our good "friends' at Langley did when they were fighting the Soviets. Also, Hit and run tactics are page 1 for guerilla warfare. it's not cowardice, it's common sense. Only a fool fights a tank with a slingshot.

I'm sure that our people would love it if the Taliban would "man up" and come out of hiding so some kid in Virginia can get them with his drone, or a bomber can get them from 10,000 feet. In the early days of the war, we were considered cowards by the Taliban for using such tactics.

We lost this war in the first year when we diverted all our resources to Iraq. It's time for the politicians to stop trying to appease the armchair generals like you and pull out. All we are doing now is giving Bin Laden the "Death by 1000 cuts" victory that he hoped for.

Glen - Yeah, wasn't it awful when Washington burned down Boston and Philadelphia? And when Nathan Hale suicide bombed the New Haven Green? Hit and run =/= targeting CIVILIANS.

"...saying the hotel was used for "prostitution, alcohol and immorality", Kinda sounds like Vegas.

Say did you hear that the US recently crossed the 2,000 dead soldier mark in Afghanistan? You didn't? Wasn't there a huge MSNBC story covering it? There wasn't? The entire media decided that 2,000 dead US soldiers in Afghanistan wasn't as important as the 2,000 dead US soldier mark in Iraq? I wonder why.....

US should pull out now to leave these barbarians to their own devices. We have wasted enough money and lives there.

Don't kid yourselves, our friends at Langley couldn't train a cat to poop on a litter box. Hit and run was not invented by George Washington like they probably told you in elementary school here in the Ignorant States of America. Hit and run has existed always and it's applied on a superior enemy..... it was done by your, like Ralph
Monasterio says above, cowards like Washington and his generals, as well as your Confederate rebels as much as Fidel Castro in Cuba, oh and they were all helped by someone, including Washington, don't; forget to thank the French for that. The war in Afghanistan is simply part of the Global war on stealing everyone's resources.... and all our allies are our "friends" as long as we spend money or give them something...... believe me, it's not about spreading the joys of peace and christianity along with democracy..... the whole world has seen what a success those values are in Greece, Spain, Italy, Latin America, etc...... "work hard and you will get ahead"....... I have seen people get up at 4 am to do real backbreaking work and will die an early death, and believe me, they won't die rich...... so your idea of work hard to succeed only applies in the US.... for now, for the rest of the world, is more utopian than communism.

Nuke that POS dirt country, they are all worthless humans anyway!

Amazing how they always attack unarmed people. What bravery. About like amadeo122. Keep drinking your koolaid.

Gotta love their "logic". The hotel was used for immoral purposes, therefore let's storm the place and kill a bunch of innocent people. I think what you have here is just a bunch of a-hole jerks who enjoy storming and killing, and they just use their so-called religion as a veil to justify their twisted lusts for blood.

Honor The Fallen

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Where's the condemnation from Karzai? When the U.S. accidentally kills a civilian, Karzai is all over it with his condemnation and proclamations. When the Taliban purposely murder innocent people, the worm Karzai doesn't say a word.

So much for Taliban concern for civilian casualties. They actually target the civilians.

And they are complaining about civilian losses from drone attacks????

Exactly.

But we already knew that since FOREVER ago. Yet some dumb POS sits there watching a bunch of either real or fake civilians getting killed by a US drone, and immediately blames the US. Its like always crying that it is your parent's fault for everything that goes wrong in your life.

I'm not stupid enough to think that every single US drone fired was done out of innocense to minimize civilian casualties. But if it was 1% of civilian casualties from a US attack it will be 25% from the Taliban. If it is 10% from the US it will be 100% from the Taliban. And so on.

You are one stone cold dumb fool if you think that the US is the big evil power that goes around killing civilians and must be stopped. Either that or you are whoring for a dictator who wants to paint that picture so they can kill civilians at will, like Assad.

i agree,where's the protests from the afgan people,no burning of tires or chanting anti taliban slogans!!!

If they can trace and block financial sources of Iran - why don't they identify sources of funding for Taliban and block the funding?

Also - why can't they trace the weapons making companies and then blacklist those companies?

Interesting that's the one thing they NEVER do. Is it because some of those war-profiting companies could be operating right from US?

Sorry to burst your ignorance bubble there, amadeo122, but our hit and run tactics during the Revolutionary War is NOT what won the war for us. It was a combination of things, mostly due to the stupidity of the English military. While our guys wore ordinary clothes whose colors blended in with the forest, the British soldiers had to wear bright red uniforms. If that wasn't stupid enough, while our guys took cover behind rocks and trees, the British, in bright red, marched and fought out in the unprotected open. And, not the least of our advantage, was the fact that we, and our supplies, where on our home turf. British reinforcements and supplies were 5000 miles away. It must have been pure arrogance on Britain's part to think that they could win.

You've really got to wonder about people who call sex and drinking immoral, but think killing is OK. In my mind the only unforgivable sin is putting yourself in the place of God, aka taking a life. What could God or Alah think is more unforgivable than that. The Taliban is a hypocritical bunch of crap looking to enslave the Afghan people.

"If they can trace and block financial sources of Iran - why don't they identify sources of funding for Taliban?"

Everybody already knows that....it's Pakistan, along with the billions we keep on giving them. As a matter of fact, to paraphrase Vesper in Casino Royale; "I suppose you given thought to the fact that....we (are) directly financing terrorism..." against our own troops. She should have been sitting across the table from our illustrious politicians!

Bringing the military situation into this vine is a derail. This is about the Taliban killing civilians, their own people, because they had the audacity to not worship the Taliban's ideals. These monsters simply came to a hotel and murdered as many people as they could: men, women and children. That's what they are about--murder. The Taliban is nothing but murderers. They prove it everyday. Children have no protections as innocents; women are less important than farm animals; and men are their mind slaves or not worthy of living.

When people are discounted into these kinds of categories, the killing forces are truly psychopaths. The only thing that matters is them. They are the only ones in the right, and everyone else is wrong. They are perfect, the rest are deformed. With a mindset like this, they justify anything. Death is the only cure for a psychopath. They never get beyond it being all about them.

Crazy thing is I just saw a report on this hotel on one of the news shows about 2 weeks. They were upset that they had no guests even though they were in a peaceful part of the country. I thought they were crazy for airing the show and just asking for trouble. It was like a slap in the face to the Taliban.

It was kind of like airing on TV that you have pounds of gold on your living room floor with no locks or security. Just asking for trouble. I wish I could remember were I saw the segment. To be honest it was/is a beatiful place, a little out dated but picturesque.

THAT is the nature of COWARDS who fight with HIT and RUN tactics. We have a FEW here in AMERICA.

Actually, war and military actions are hell, but all countries conduct some form of what you are talking about, like SNIPERS!

Medieval barbarians. Someday they may be dragged kicked and screaming into the 15th Century.

Hit and Run Gorilla warfare with a superior military force is time honored superior fighting tactics.

But hit and run on purely civilian targets with the intention of inflicting death on the innocents and sowing terror is a cowardly slimy way to fight.

@moshuluu

", war and military actions are hell, but all countries conduct some form of what you are talking about, like SNIPERS!"

So if one of these radicals held your son or daughter hostage and the only way to save them was for a SNIPER to take that person out... Then you would say don't do it, because it was an unfair Hit and Run tactic?

So much for Taliban concern for civilian casualties. They actually target the civilians.

And they are complaining about civilian losses from drone attacks????

They don't want our drones killing civilians because they want to do it themselves. Rather like Republicans being against abortion. They want that kid to be born so he can grow up and be sent off to war.

Sorry to disagree with Glen and friends but the boys at Langley dont teach the ole shoot randomly into a crowd of women and children, after blending in with the populace.

You guys must not like Ralph.

It is COWARDLY to strap a bomb onto yourself and kill women and children who were only wanting to shop in the market.

It is cowardly to walk into a party at a hotel and open fire with an AK-47 into a crowd of people.

It is very cowardly to act like a barbarian in the name of religion.

I also find it very funny that a survivor would thank "god" for their safety when it was that same "god" that drove the "insurgents" to attack that hotel.

You cant have it both ways.

Religion! Killing more people daily than cancer, driving, and Lady Gaga combined!

Why is the media calling them "insurgents?" These are terrorists.

An insurgent is the American media PC title for an Islamic militant.

"5 Muslims with Ak-47's practiced Jihad at a hotel near Kabul. Many were killed in the name of Allah."

Not just the American media. Administrations of bot parties have, over the decades, had recourse to make dealings with people they've labelled as terrorists, which can be embarrasing. Call them insurgents or militants, and it's easier to sell cutting a deal with them at some point.

"This is a crime against humanity because they targeted children, women and civilians picnicking at the lake. There wasn't even a single soldier around there,"

That hardly matters to the Taliban - ruthless murderers.

steel toed boot - I agree, the hit-and-run tactics didn't win us the Revolution... it was the "stand up" fighting in the South and in the later years.

Actually the term "Red Coat" is a bit of a misnomer. Not all British wore red, there were dragoons that wore green, grenadiers in various other colors, etc. But the line infantry wore red, and that made up the majority of troops.

But that said, wearing red wasn't stupid, it was a convention of the British Army at the time! Why did they wear red? Two reasons:
1) If they were wounded, the blood couldn't be seen. This raised British morale and lowered the morale of their opponent. There were numerous documented cases of enemies running because their weapons appeared ineffective on British troops, and these are from various advesaries over decades of fighting.

2) At this time, "line fighting" was standard because of the woeful accuracy of firearms (usually muskets) at any great distance. That's why "cold steel" -- the bayonet charge -- remained a standard battlefield tactic up to World War 1, even though it showed signs of waning effectiveness during the American Civil War, the Austro-German War, and the Franco-Prussian War.
During a charge or melee, it is VITAL to easily identify your side from the opponent. In point of fact, every army wore a different color uniform : the French wore blue, the Russians white, the Germans grey, etc.

As for winning, the British had no reasonable expectation to lose. Had they not been fighting in Europe at the same time, we would likely have been crushed if they really had wanted to invest the time and money.

ShepherdSpeak

So if one of these radicals held your son or daughter hostage and the only way to save them was for a SNIPER to take that person out... Then you would say don't do it, because it was an unfair Hit and Run tactic?

Don't worry about what I would do, worry about what YOU would do. I have my way to deal with ANY situation that may arise in my family's life.

More morality police, exactly what the world doesn't need. So, for these Taliban gunmen talking about drinking and having sex, then going on about "God's judgement", whatever happened to "thou shalt not kill"? Well here comes the hypocracy, because there as guilty of that... Hell they even justify it, if for instance a wife wants to leave an abusive husband. Group of fanatics are religious zealots...

These Taliban gunmen are no less crazy then that compound down in Jonestown, where everyone drank the cool aide rather liberally which Jim Jones provided... And they believe their God would want this more then 2 people having sex, where the killer didn't approve on a personal level? Hypocrites....

Taliban Muslim Pigs. Kill them all off and get it over with. There is no room in this world for stone-aged believes but carrying 21st Century weapons. Either or you jerks.

There is a saying GOOD GUYS FINISH LAST, Or how's this one ALL IS FAIR IN LOVE AND WAR, I hate to say it but do you honestly think fighting by rules will get the job done, the Vietnam War did not teach us a damn thing did it.

I wonder how many people who are explaining about how savage these people are have paid attention to Norway? Or abortion clinic staff being killed in our own country. Savagery is always the last resort of the pious. The problem with religion in general is that piety is considered an acceptable substitute for morality. So Osama bin Laden, a mass murderer, is considered a good man because he is pious. As are the killers in the US, and many Right Wingers feel the same way about Anders Behring Breivik.

The idea that it's OK to kill in the name of God is perhaps the worst crime that religion has committed against humanity.

Another example of useless religion. "God wants them dead, god saved me, god blah blah blah". That is why i am embarassed of us. We will never evolve as humans when we still believe in make believe. It's funny that before science there was "magic" people. "God" talked to people. "God" told people what to do. Now that there is, thank "God", science, we have a name for them people. It's called mentally ill. Keep believing in the sky people though, it's doing wonders for humanity.

I am starting to think that the Taliban is not an NBA team anymore, like the Jazz and the Magic teams.

I've scoured the vine postings here, looking for a word that pops out so distinctly here that it can't be overlooked. Except that it has been overlooked.

The word is "Immorality", and there's only one other viner that has even mentioned it.

Does "Immorality" sound like the basis for so many familiar religious arguments being trumpeted by about half of the American population? Does it frighten no one else that perceived immorality by one group to justify murdering another group goes against the fundamental rights of all Americans - and yet it is being used more and more in our own country?

You complain about the speck in your brother's eye, but you don't see the log in your own.

The first step in accepting the murder of your enemies is deciding that your own moral convictions are above those whom you kill.

Homosexuality. A woman's right to choose. Ethnicity. Alcohol and drug consumption. Clothing.

Judge not lest ye be judged. Thou shalt not kill... even if her skirt is too high to sustain your level of comfort.

Taliban? Far right Christians? A lot of similarities. Women's clinics bombed. Doctors killed. Clinics set on fire.

We're coming to a breaking point. And it won't be far away.

They took a break from farming opiates in order to hunt down immoral folks. Makes sense.

"For the deeply conservative Taliban, men and women who simply mingle, perhaps flirt, are condemned as pimps and prostitutes who deserve punishment sanctioned by God."

Christianity does not sanction violence and killing. Thank God for America and our Christian heritage.

James-2049712-- The world is not going to do anything. They will just sit back and criticize the US and our allies who do have a pair. The world does nothing to help Darfur. The world sits back and allows Syria to massacre children. The world sits back while the Taliban blow up little kids. Face it, there are only a few countries with the fortitude to actually do something. Spain bowed to the terrorists after their attack. Russia and China commit so many human right violations, they don't want anymore spot light on their inability to run their countries by offering freedoms. The bleeding hearts believe that the Taliban should be granted human rights even though they don't give any rights to anyone in their Stone Age ways and mentality.

@David Wellman

I upvoted your comment because it was intelligent and insightful, but I do disagree slightly with your final point. I don't subscribe to the conspiracy theory that the U.S. needs the Taliban as "bogeymen" because we have no shortage of bogeymen in general. Far more likely is the the simple fact that, for all of the U.S.'s military might, the nation is unwilling -- at least at this point in time -- to carry out the kind of "scorched earth" campaign that is apparently required to stamp out these militants.

@steel toed boot

Allow me to tweak your comment a little bit to illustrate how mistaken you are:

Sorry to burst your ignorance bubble there, steel toed boot, but the Taliban's hit and run tactics during the Afghan War are EXACTLY what is allowing them to continue on despite America's best efforts. It's a combination of things, mostly due to the stupidity of the American military. While the Taliban wear ordinary clothes allowing them to blend in with the populace, the American soldiers have to wear uniforms. If that wasn't stupid enough, while the Taliban take cover in caves and across international borders, the Americans, in their uniforms, move in the open in easily identifiable units. And not the least of the militants' advantage is the fact that they and their supplies are on their home turf. American reinforcements and supplies have to be imported from thousands of miles away. It must be pure arrogance on America's part to think that they can win.

Please note that I do NOT believe the American military is stupid or arrogant. That portion of the diction used in the above paragraph was taken directly from the original quote and was left intact purely for the purposes of illustrative comparison. I personally think our military and soldiers are doing an outstanding job and I mourn their losses and cheer their successes.

Unfortunately, for America to truly "win" in Afghanistan, I'm afraid we would have to put our noble ideas in our back pockets for a while and stoop nearer, though not quite all the way down to, the level of our enemy, and it would probably result in a war with Pakistan and a lot of innocents being killed in the process in the name of the greater good -- we haven't truly done anything like that since WWII and it's horrible to even contemplate, but maybe it's necessary? Back then we had the future of the known world on the line; it doesn't seem like we're at that level of urgency here, but who can tell for certain?

Tony_Baloney- Well put. I do believe we need to take the gloves off and destroy the Taliban. But too many bleeding hearts in the US won't allow it. Pakistan is obviously playing both sides. Only to capture/kill a terrorists when it is pay time. Now that we have slashed our cash to them. They threaten to block more access to where the bad guys are and our supplies. Our drone program is working. Probably the only one the Obama administration that does work. The US people have to understand that if we leave Afghanistan and leave it like it is now. The Taliban will take back control and continue to slaughter their own people and allow other cowardly groups like Al Qaeda and Haqqani to plot attacks against us.

With forced political correctness . Wholly corrupt government and christian zealotism thriving , I see the Taliban and thier operations as nothing more than a template of what the United States will become .

I just dont understand it, If it had been a drone strike the media,INCLUDING OUR OWN,would have listed those killed as INNOCENT CIVILLIANS, but because its the taliban killing them with machine guns they are listed as pimps?

Also why is it when we kill "innocents" there are protests all over pakistan and afghanistan, but when the taliban does it they hide them out in their mosques and hospitals and protect them. I mean they target innocents on purpose even threatening a native 8 yr old sole breadwinner openly! But I haven't heard about one protest,not even a hint of anger at the taliban in the article.

I just don't get it,I just don't get it,I JUST CAN'T!!

Evacuate all americans and allies and nuke the whole lot of them.Make that whole area unliveable for the next 5,000 years! Thats what they would do to us if they could.I'm tired of their existence! This just proves there is no reasoning with a psycho and his followers! NUKE THEM NOW!!!!!!!!!!!

Really! What terrorist group is gonna mess with us again if we just eliminated the source completely and totally?

I don't think I was mistaken Tony, since I was talking about our American Revolution and not Afghanistan. Although your cleverness was misplaced, I do agree with the comment the way you rewrote it. (Except the arrogant and stupid part. If you didn't mean that, you should have left it out!) Also, we are comparing apples to oranges, since warfare and the weapons we have at our disposal today can cause far more collateral damage and loss of innocent life than what they had during the Revolution (from missles and drones to helicopter gunships and nuclear tipped Cruise missles), so tactics HAVE to be different. If we just wanted to kill every living thing in Afghanistan (and Pakistan too obviously) then of course we'd win. The rest of the world probably would not mind that at all, but they'd be forced to make one hell of a PR stink in the United Nations.

onlyyoucanchangethelaws- This has been a politically correct war from the get go. We do not aim to kill innocent civilians. But the Taliban use civilians as shields and it is hard to keep the innocents people from getting killed. I wish we could just eliminate the bad people. The Taliban know that we actually care about the civilian population and they use it to our advantage.

No Muslim wants to stand up and say enough. Because their head would be cut off. They say they are peaceful. But they really want to be left alone and let someone else do their dirty work.

@steel toed boot

I went back and reread the comments and you're right -- I missed a switch in the logic train somewhere and went off on a tangent. Let me offer a mea culpa and an apology. Thanks also for being kind on the reply -- too many folks on here woulda just jumped down my throat for being that off; kudos to you for being better than that. That said, amadeo doesn't know WTH he's talking about... he made a hint of a point about the tactics being somewhat the same, but there are, as you mentioned, MARKED differences between the two contrasted conflicts. I could make a laundry list of those, but that'd be another tangent in itself.

As much as l try to be objective, l cannot come to any other conclusion than the taliban are evil, as is the case with most terrorist,s, but the taliban excel at it, not suprising considering their evil practises in peace time,s against their own people, so much worse when at battle. But what is the true state of play in afghanistan, are we winning the war or not, can the afghan military and police contain the taliban and terrorism in a year,s time. l read of one rogue policeman, who shot 9 fellow policemen whilst they slept at post, as the terrorist,s have done in mass numbers with police in iraq, women and children get little more consideration if any, but there are dictators gone and present who,s action,s are no better. When l hear of a Taliban or terrorist leader being killed, l think, good one less, but they keep coming, its always more of a problem when they have a neighbouring country who either supports, by giving refuge, or turn a blind eye, as with Pakistan, who l presume are now also being targeted for bombing by the taliban due to police crackdown,s, as required by western goverment,s, no doubt insisted on with increasing pressure. Again l dont know how bad the situaion is in pakistan, l,d also like to add that when brit forces in northern ireland were trying to capture ira terrrorist,s it was that more difficult due to many being able to escape over the border into relative safety, although officially the south were as much anti terrorist,s as we were, might add it would have created hell if we had encroached into eire with armourment,s. At the end of the day we are committed to bringing the soldier,s out of afghanistan and leaving the afghan,s to decide and fight for their own future, but we have to keep pressure on pakistan, or any other country that houses or supports terrorist,s, it is a worldwide war against it. l also find it worrying, noticing the difference on this site, presuming its mainly americans posting, as opposed to uk site,s, keeping in mind we have a very large pakistani community, more than the many other nationalities of migrants to the uk, as most arrived from 50yrs ago to present, in my observation,s their community has become more easternised and radical over the last 5-10yrs, be it most of these younger males have been born here, yet unlike the new world countries such as usa, canada, oz, made up of many nationalities, yet seemingly all now being american, etc, lifestyle, loyalty, pride, and do serve in the military, police, whereas in the uk, and perhaps other european countries, integration hasnt happened to a great extent, and now with increased radicalism, or worse, re brainwashing by cleric,s, it seems some, not sure how many, are anti brit, west, policies, both domestic and internationally, generally opposing any involvement in iraq, libya, syria, and of course afghanistan, the level of insult, abuse, even threat,s, on uk message boards is shocking, some making no bones about where their loyalties lay, no support for soldier,s, or monarchy, a few wishing them dead, whilst stating support for such as assad, gadaffi when he was still with us, hatred of israel, rothschild,s, same rhetoric repeated, almost scripted, use of reverse phycology, emotional blackmail, these posters of course use very English name,s, location,s, which many believe true, or id them as communist,s, liberal,s, some know, as l do, partly through obvious statement,s, also having heard same sentiment,s in person, due to area l live in. lt might be that a few poster,s seem like a lot, due to using multiple id,s, and maybe a lot are young, school kids, and it will go no further than word,s, but again l dont know what percentage feel the same way, or will take it further, or how much goverment are aware, presume they are, usually intelligence know more than we understand. Still a worry and problem for the future.

JK-4363698

Christianity does not sanction violence and killing

Sure it does. Christianity comes with the same baggage as every other organized group which claims to hold exclusive connections to God. Jesus is a brand-name. Allah is a brand-name. And now, apparently, Conservatism is a brand-name as well; an offshoot of the Jesus brand.

Whatever anyone chooses to do under any given religious, ideological or political scheme can be hatched from within the confines of any or all of those organizations.

Religion and religious freedom will truly never be known until nobody has to ask what your beliefs are. Insisting that America a Christian nation is simply a call to arms to the equally unstable within our borders. It will only be a matter of time before it comes to armed confrontation. Lucky for us we're all spread out, red and blue, living right next door to each other - and both sides armed to the teeth.

Yeah, that's a hell of a combination right there. Nothing like being born right smack dab in the middle of a continental battlefield.

its called "graveyard of empires" for a reason. time to get out of there. we should have left when bin laden was allowed to escape the country at tora bora. we will never win their hearts and minds because they hate us and the last thing on this earth that they want is to be just like us. there are cities all over this country that can put the billions wasted on that @!$%# hole to good use

Exactly and our press loves what they do to slaughter other people! Our country is soft and we are at the mercy of our press. 70 years ago we were at war and we loaded planes and carpet bombed our enemies. Did it inflict damage to civilians, hell yes, an unfortunate casualty of war. Now we can't do that, we have to be tactical and can't have anyone die that isn't a suspected terrorist. This involvement should have been over in about 6 months if we went at it with might and not precision. Now we get our friends telling us a soldier burned a Koran, or touched a terrorist during prayer time insighting more violence and reaction. Then we get the next story of the taliban destroying villages and commiting atrocities! They don't want this stuff stopped, they want to report a story. They all should be loaded up and dropped from a B52! Im all for reporting information, but they are wanting to determine public opinion and get everyone swaying to their words!

Thanks for the escalation President Obama, sure is working. When will we ever learn? That place will never change, our 10+ years there will mean nothing. Within 3 months of us leaving, it will right back where it was, no change, no government, just tribal like always. We are fools.

mathuin

Proving once more (not that anyone needs MORE proof) that the Taliban is not about religion, but just killing people for no reason at all.

All conflicts are backed wars and by some sort of religious-ness. In Vietnam we prayed for our "American God" to give us the power to kill Vietnamese, come to find out, they prayed to their God to kill us.

I've always found that funny.

DougLogan-stuntman, P.I.

Islam must be wiped off the face of the planet.

See what I mean? There's always some white man someplace who thinks he's God. Here's one quoted above who thinks Islam should be destroyed, only HIS GOD is the correct God.

Really? The Taliban is all about religion. This was a brutal massage, or another term for it is RELIGIOUS cleansing.

I meant massacre, not massage... damn spell check.

We just need to stop playing world policemen and let them kill themselves.

@ moshuluu:

DougLogan-stuntman, P.I.

Islam must be wiped off the face of the planet.

See what I mean? There's always some white man someplace who thinks he's God. Here's one quoted above who thinks Islam should be destroyed, only HIS GOD is the correct God.

So Moshuluu, how do you know he is white? Are you stereotyping or just a bloomin idiot that doesn't know what he is talking about? I vote for the latter.....People like you are what drives the hate and discrimination. What is sorry is the fact that you think it is funny that people pray to kill other people. You are one sick dude.

start with the two @!$%# NFL players before some stadium goes up in smoke

Why you don't try stupid ?

Let's just say wipe out nutcase extremist Islamists who want to hurt others.

Let all non-Muslims join hands to reduce losses.

This cleaning process should start from Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, the most ungrateful backstabbers.

Taliban, al-Qaida, MB, Haqqani network are their inventions.

When the NATO forces were entering Kandahar in 2001, Pakis airlifted key al-Qaida, Taliban, ISI and others militants by back door from Kandahar.

This includes Mullah Omar, Osama and many including Paki Haqqani militant network leaders.

To reduce NATO forces losses, just carpet bomb Paki militant areas just like during 1991 Iraqi war.

Let us say: enough is enough from Pakis and Saudis!

Abdul, you keep inviting others to go to Afghanistan. Why don't you go? It seems to me that you would fit in better there.

It would be better if religion was wiped off the face of the planet.

Abduls quote "Listen jackass you don't like Islam go to Afghanistan and tell that @!$%# to the Taliban. I'm sure they will wipe you off the face of the universe. right before they sick there foot up your dirty ass. Hope all is well"

All will be well when Islam is seen as the cancer it is Abdul. It is a form of personal degradatrion, female third world status, and an evil that is a threat to the entire world. Imagine getting people praying 5 times aday in such a degrading way. The mutilation of females, the selling of females, the denial of education to females, the tenting of females because "they need to be controled". And people wonder why so musch of the Muslim worldis indeed third world. When keep half your population in a third class status that is what you get. Sell your insanity elsewhere.

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#4.4 - Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:47 AM CDT

I was depressed last night....so i called the HELP hotline ...

The call went to some freaking call center in Pakistan ....

I told them i was suicidal. That got them excited and they asked me if i could drive a truck ...

BASTARDS !!!!!!

Atheist.. Would that include atheism? Since religion is a belief system, not just a belief in a higher power. you would need to wipe out everyone.

mx, I agree with atheist....... but you misread what he is saying. I believe religion should be taken out, not the people. Just of where we would be if we didn't have people judging one another and killing one another over different imaginary friends.

Also, name the last time athiests started a war, or did anything distructive?........... Don't worry I will wait.

Lets see Judaism based on God, Christianity, based on son of God, Islam based on a man claiming to be a prophet stealing parts of the Jewish bible who because of his non acceptance by some Jews, turned to hating them a Godly way to be

@mxracer - No, you dolt. Atheism is NOT a religion. There is no doctrine (such as the bible, quran, or thora) that atheists follow. Atheism is NOT a "religious belief system". It is the lack of any religious belief system. It is the lack of belief in any "god" of any kind. Miracles don't happen, only the luck of the draw happens. Atheists do not pray, do not ask any higher power to look out for them or anyone else and they don't hate religious folks for being such unbelievably unable to discern fact from fiction; fairy tales from reality. Quit pushing such ignorant bs. Just cause you think it's a "religion" doesn't make it one. No one who is an atheist is getting any tax break from anywhere for NOT believing in a "higher power". There is no church of atheism and atheists do not gather to promote atheism or study atheistic psalms, the book of Chuck, the book of Amos and Andy or any other book, and they don't make decisions based on 2000 year old ideas taken from books that PEOPLE wrote who lived in a time when they had no understanding what-so-ever of why anything in our world happens. Atheists live in the here and now and make decisions based on the best factual evidence available. You people are so annoying! No one would have a problem with ANY religion if you would all just keep it to yourselves and stop trying to push it down anyone else's throats.

Gunga Din -

If you are depressed and suicidal, don't call a hot line. Call the hospital, or a professional known to you.

You are worth saving.

Beretta, and I doubt it.

Sounds like when I stay at a Super 8 only I prefer the .45 cal over the 9mm, just old school I guess.

We got ourselves a movie action hero here....

Wait. I got a better one:

"Yeah. A proper nut-job is armed at all times. Everyone knows that. "

Sorry man. It was just screaming for that type of response.

Haave to agreee, mosst off myy typoo's arre ddue too thhe muzzle hhittingg ttwo kkeys aat oonce.

LOL stonepipe.

Thhannkss../

LOL. Beretta doesn't make a 9mm "machine gun". They make the AR70/90 automatic assault rifle that is rifled for the 5.56 cartridge. I seriously doubt you have even been out of your neighborhood there Carl let alone Kabul. In fact you should keep that "Dumbo" avatar as it seems to fit very well.

Romney doesn't have any idea of what he is doing except trying to win in November.

The situation in Afghanistan is the result of the brilliant strategy of King George Bush, who gave us this extraordinary success with his "democratization" war. Now there is no war, no killing, and we have total peace in that country. Just as in Irak, peace and love reign everywhere, thank you George W.

Rasputin.....Well, your king Nobama has continued the war after the objective of killing Osama was achieved. Your finger pointing is now in the wrong direction libtard.

Rasputin-2589057:

Don't you know you died a very long time ago?

Bush is Gone.... WHY THE HELL DOES EVERYONE keep pointing to the PAST for what is going on in the PRESENT....

One of OB's promises was to get us OUT of Both those Places, yet we are still there... Are you going to blame that on Bush also? Don't get me wrong... I am not a great follower of Bush, but you CANNOT BLAME HIM for what is happening TODAY!!!!

Another Promise OB gave was a Transparent Government???... How many times has he used his power to STOP the AMERICAN PEOPLE from finding out what HIS adminstration has done and is Doing...

DID YOU KNOW:

"Last year, Karen DeYoung and Greg Jaffe of the Washington Post reported that U.S. Special Operations forces were deployed in 75 countries, up from 60 at the end of the Bush presidency. By the end of this year, U.S. Special Operations Command spokesman Colonel Tim Nye told me, that number will likely reach 120. “We do a lot of traveling — a lot more than Afghanistan or Iraq,” he said recently. This global presence — in about 60 percent of the world’s nations and far larger than previously acknowledged — provides striking new evidence of a rising clandestine Pentagon power elite waging a secret war in all corners of the world."

But then again, that is not a good selling point for OB....

OB said that if he had a son he would be just like "TM", yet he shows not one once of 'Kin-Ship' to the Blacks that are killing each others in the streets of his Home State... Why is that?

EVERYONE (myself included) Need to stop pissing and moaning about the Past and work at what we can do TODAY for OUR Tomorrow....

Don't forget... every time you point your finger at someone, Ya have THREE pointing BACK AT YOU....

Take Care and God Bless

Make me the 3rd.

Rasputin-2589057.....It sure is "peaceful" in Afghanistan and the Taliban haven't killed anyone lately, huh ? /sarcasm/ Have you even kept up with the news coming from that area ?

Maybe Mr. Obama can find a way to ask the "peace loving, non-violent" Taliban to attend "Peace Talks" in Chicago (the first attempt was cancelled because the Taliban wanted an apology for the killing of 16 Augustinians by that wacko). Maybe "Safe Passage" would do the trick.

Then, the Taliban will see how peaceful it is in Chicago on a daily basis.

trilliondollar & ldo & Proud2BaVet

Why don't you tell us exactly what Obama should do with Afghanistan. I am sure each of you have such vast experience in American foreign policy and the "fight terror with terror" mantra, that you can lead us in the right direction. Oh and please post in great detail (assuming you can't come up with a plan yourself), what Romney will do here as well. I haven't seen.... anything..

Or is it better to simply whine and complain (trillion?) and never offer up a solution. Course, that's what republicants and conservative whiners do best.

Proud2BaVet
Every American President "HIDES" something from the American people.

"WHY THE HELL DOES EVERYONE keep pointing to the PAST for what is going on in the PRESENT...."

Because....that's how history works, proud2B. Our present is predicated upon events which have gone before, just as our lives are the product of decisions we may have made long ago. Remember all those people who were trying to warn Bush of the consequences of his actions at the time (the ones who were denounced as liberal and un-American)? That's what they were trying to tell him then, but he didn't listen, and it's clear that you won't listen, and so the sick cycle continues. What a shame.....

Afganistain, a wasted 10 years.

OK, here's an analogy why Bush keeps being mentioned. Bush was driving the car. Bush took a wrong turn and drove into a muddy field and got the car stuck. People asked for Obama to take over driving as Bush was a lousey driver. The car is still stuck in the mud Bush drove us into.

and it will take more than 3.5 years for us to drive out of the mud. Great analogy!

Don't you think Herbert Hoover had a hand in this as well? It is all Bush's fault, man that is getting real old!!!! As soon as alphabet news circles the wagon around Barry and Eric Holder, I suspect a statement from Barry along these lines "uh, if I had a brother, he would look like Eric Holder" . And they thought Bush was stupid!!!!

It is amazing not how different Obama and Bush are, but how similar they are! It's really quite extraordinary and not enough is written about it. Obama says that Romney would be more of Bush...when Obama is just more of Bush as well. Welcome to new millennium politics in Amerika...

Gary Gordon-2971511....I knew Gary Gordon, I graduated in the same class as Gary Gordon from the same High School as Gary Gordon. You Sir are no Gary Gordon.

Class of '78 - Go M.A. Lynx!

Analogy Coach takes over for last coach because of lousy season, new coach continues lousy season after season blaming past coach, team hires new coach team begins to win fills bleachers investors recoup losses more vendors are hired economy picks up all is well in Mudville

ItsAboutTime-3704531:

I am NOT in a position to even try and second guess what should be done over there. IT was OB himself that Promised us during his run for Pres that HE would get us out of there!!!!, That is all I am saying... I never once said I knew...

The Man Promised us and now 3.5 years later, we are still there and not only that, but he has also gotten us involved in many other places in the world where we do not belong...

" You can ask just about any spouse that needs to be fixed, and why is that.... It's because their Spouse's are to busy working on or building OTHER PEOPLES stuff to worry about there own"...

CORRECTION:

" You can ask just about any spouse of a Carpenter or Plumber there is almost always something in their own homes that needs to be fixed, and why is that.... It's because their Spouse's are to busy working on or building OTHER PEOPLES stuff to worry about there own"...

2,000 Americans soldiers have now died in Afghanistan (didn't see that in any MSM). We need to get out. Let them kill each other. Bring our heroes home.

and it will take more than 3.5 years for us to drive out of the mud. Great analogy!

Considering it took more than twice as long to drive us into the mud, that actually IS a pretty good analogy.

Just sayin'...

Analogy Pt. 2 The other passengers in the car get out to look how stuck in the mud it is. Then they notice the tires are bald, there is almost no oil in the car, and it is generally a wreck. Then they notice Bush and his friends have been eating $8.00 hamburgers, drinking $4.00 malts, and generally been partying during the whole drive, (including into the field). The people in the car have been giving money to Bush, expecting him to put gas in the car and generally keep the car running. The people start yelling at him, saying how irresponsible he has been. Bush stops eating his burger, looks at his friends with their frosty malts and says back to the people, "What do you mean, we're doing great".

Just plain silly story, Mr. Duckworth.

Nice of you to join the discussion, Adolf Hitler.

Thank you for explaining it, General Laguna. We can't wait to read your memiors from your deployment to Afghanistan.

Yep, old John Pershing had a way of making a point to the Moro Head Hunters. Shoot 48 of them with rounds soaked in pig blood and wrap them in pig skins and send one back to their leaders, problem solved.

It takes little time to break something...and Bush had eight years.

It often takes a long time to fix something...and Obama's had three.

Not that I like Obama that much- but the facts are simple: your boys have thrown every damned roadblock possible into the path of recovery- at great expense to the rest of us and the planetary economy in general- and now you want to blame Obama for your nihilistic sabotage?

No...that's not the leadership I'd want.

Even if everything you said were true, I'd still prefer honest failure over malicious, deceitful competence in service of the rich.

I don't want your plutocracy- in fact, I want my democratic republic back.

FeO2 Dreams. Very Well Said!

Bush was the a$$h@le that went saber-dancing with the Saudis after their New Years' beheadings and made DAMN sure the bin-Laden family was flown out of the US immediately after 9/11 (that was HIS priority; protecting the money behind that Saudi oil). He was FAR more in bed with these pr!cks than Obama ever could be....

And Obama had bin Laden KILLED. Something that screw up Bush couldn't do in 7 years.....

Bush ran the country into a ditch and now everyone yells at the tow truck driver.

Lets see, the Dems want this the Repubs say NO sounds like the party of NO, except the Repubs want this and the Dems say NO this must be the party of NO sounds like identical twins to me

Can you say forget about history and enter WWIII?

12/21/2012 is just around the corner.

Isolationism, lets see what countries practice isolationism today. North Korea, Bhutan and that's about it. Bhutan is a tiny peaceful Himalayan country and is fairly self-sustaining. North Korea is a brutal dictatorship with rampant poverty and probably one of the most unpleasant places to live on earth.

The US could simply not maintain a reasonable standard of living practicing isolationism in the 21st century. It would be a good idea to do everything in our power to end all dependence on exports from middle eastern countries though. That would mean alternative energy sources. And that would mean that your car must someday not burn hydrocarbons for fuel.

People preaching isolationism should start by doing so in their own home. You can start by calling your Internet Provider and terminating your service.

(Ok...I'll be realistic in regards to the isolationist people..... DISCONNECT FROM YOUR NEIGHBOR'S UNPROTECTED WIFI SIGNAL!!!!!)

Space cowboy~
"12/21/2012 is just around the corner."

_____________________________

Yeah, and 12/22/2012 is right after it.... so what?

The Mayan calendar ran out of room... big deal.

FreeportFill, I like your way of thinking. This Country has turned into the same idea as my first wife, " We can't be out of cash , we still have checks.

Wow, you guys are kind of dinks aren't you?

Good point , but then was then and now is now.

History repeats itself for those who think it can't happen again

ETTECH.....You are going to blame isolationism on Republicans for WW2 when they hadn't been in office for 9 years? If that was truly the case then you are saying FDR did nothing for 9 years and continued Isolationism....Your comments are nothing but rhetoric.

Learn from the past ,live for today, and plan for the future.

@trilliondollar - Crack open a history book and you'll find that the republicans of that time were not the republicans of today. They were the dems as were most of the southern states. They are all red states now. They switched to being repubs after the civil rights act of 64. Remember what LBJ said after he signed it into law? "I think we just delivered the South to the Republican party for a long time to come." Why? Because he knew that the South was solidly against anything that would've empowered Blacks.

It wasn't repubs in name that got us into the great depression but it was the same kind of mindset from those who at the time were dems. Those are the dems who switched to repub as of 64 and pretty much took most of the bigotry with them. The two main parties have more or less done a complete flip flop as of 64 and it continues today with just as many hateful and extreme ideas.

I didn't know they had any hotels....oh, yeah, second cave on the right.

I'll just settle for some good pot.

@happy2008. Popular place to get killed.It`s called sitting duck.

you are right. Taliban does not want anybody to do anything that takes the mind off of suffering and pleading to Allah. No music, kite flying, and sport stadiums are only for public executions. True.

Hey Folks! Look up John Calvin and Geneva. That'll give ya a start!

I always bbq some baby back ribs at Ramadan.

Personally I gave up baby back ribs when I quit Satanism.

mmmmm . . . baby. The other, other white meat . . . Prefer mine poached, though.

Bill from New York? more like bill the jackass, there are Innocent woman and children in that country. What would you do if China did the same thing to your country? Stupid @!$%#

No such thing! Innocence left Afghanistan a long time ago!!!!!!!!

Abdul, since when did the Taliban give a crap about women. The Taliban are power hungry men, just as the Ayatollahs they will do anything to stay in power has nothing to do with Allah.

Oh, you mean, the other half of your population. The ones in the bags?

Bull they died so that you can talk bad about them you know freedom of speech!!

Dan it sounds like you're saying that saying that if all those soldiers hadn't died over there the Taliban would have easily taken over America by now.