Make them fear your reprisal and they are less likely to offend you.

Of course, the assumption they're making is that the people they're fighting against aren't every bit the monster that they are. It's like a hydra that hates its other heads. All of them are funded by the drugs imported from S. America (the body), but those drugs are disseminated across a wide field of Mexican cartels (the heads). They slash and burn and slit each others' throats-- but just like the Hydra of myth, every head that is removed, another grows in its place.

The messages are you both transport and sell my drugs to the United States or you die! Why is it so hard to understand that with illegal's entering the United States is drugs and human trafficking (prostitution). Until we stop these people from becoming and hiding in the United States we will never be able to stop these killings. If you want to create a situation that's no different than Mexico legalizes drugs and watches the cartels and gangs fight over turf here. Close our borders even if it means drones and enforcing immigration laws, not the lax you can stay if you're not a criminal, but you are a criminal go home laws!

Yes, legalize drugs and watch the way the drug gangs go after each other, just like Coors and Anhauser Bush are shooting it out all the time, over beer distributor turf. You really are confused aren't you?

55,000 dead that if they had the right to have guns, could have fought with the scum bags and maybe killed some of them as well.

Mexico is an example of what happens when the population is unarmed.

@Den

I'm fairly sure the point they were trying to make is that if Mexico legalized drugs, the cartels would fight in the US for turf assuming that they would still be illegal in the US. I could be wrong, just saying.

Just in case they did not understand what the mutilated corpses meant, the drug cartel decided they had better leave a note to clarify things, because mutilated corpses by themselves always tend to send mixed messages.

i dont hear about coors and bud lite shooting each other.

The gangs will just sell harder, more addictive drugs. Pot is not what brings gangs in Mexico billions anyway. The answer is to disconnect all ties with Mexico for a few hundred years, or flat out conquer them so we can drive them all right into the ocean.

Yep, eye for an eye, pretty soon we're all blind.

Neither is Mexico's complete lack of morals when it comes to "mutilating" and "beheading" their own people for a dollar.

Don

Did you grow-up without the ability to think,or did you learn that unbecoming trait?

Making things illegal builds immediate Black Markets.

The reason that any of this is happening is because the government took it upon itself to regulate drugs. Let's go back in time to when the US Constitution was written. Do you see anything about controlling drugs, whiskey, anything in there? They didn't feel that they had the right to control drugs. It is only controlling people of the present that feel the need to micro-manage everything, and have a law about it.

If you have trouble understanding the above, look at it this way: you no longer have the ability to discipline your children, however, the government, all the way down to the town you live in, does. There are laws about it, more than one; lots of laws. When did the government get the right to take over your child rearing? Because, they have taken it away from you. By what right did the government get the Right to interfere in your business? Tell us that.

Wade, you ever hear of Eric Holder starring in the Fast and Furious, stop being so ignorant and naive.

brownbagga,

You are the ignorant one. Every murder that these cartels commit, are because of every drug user in the US. Eric Holder and his goons are just idiots that were trying to make progress on nailing one cartel.

Actually every murder in Mexico by Mexicans is because a huge number of common mexicans are willing to torture, rape and murder their fellow countrymen for a dollar.

Grow your own.

You didn't stop in time!

Making things illegal builds immediate Black Markets.

And the US Government supplies the guns to the cartels- FAST AND FURIOUS.

AJV-1055923

You didn't stop in time! Making things illegal builds immediate Black Markets.

Though legalizing limited growth for private consumption would make sense, I am not condoning the Anarchy you seem to be suggesting.

@r u wade "if you want to try something that makes a change in you try prayer" sure, as soon as you bible thumpers provide actual hard evidence to support the claim that prayer, and therefore god, actually provide results. Until then I wont waste my time.

drug prohibition is the true cause of much of the social and personal damage
that has historically been attributed to drug use. It is prohibition that makes
these drugs so valuable – while giving criminals a monopoly over their supply.
Driven by the huge profits from this monopoly, criminal gangs bribe and kill
each other, law enforcers, and children. Their trade is unregulated and they
are, therefore, beyond our control.

History has shown that drug prohibition reduces neither use nor abuse. After
a rapist is arrested, there are fewer rapes. After a drug dealer is arrested,
however, neither the supply nor the demand for drugs is seriously changed. The
arrest merely creates a job opening for an endless stream of drug entrepreneurs
who will take huge risks for the sake of the enormous profits created by
prohibition. Prohibition costs taxpayers tens of billions of dollars every year,
yet 40 years and some 40 million arrests later, drugs are cheaper, more potent
and far more widely used than at the beginning of this futile crusade.

We believe that by eliminating prohibition of all drugs for adults and
establishing appropriate regulation and standards for distribution and use, law
enforcement could focus more on crimes of violence, such as rape, aggravated
assault, child abuse and murder, making our communities much safer. We believe
that sending parents to prison for non-violent personal drug use destroys
families. We believe that in a regulated and controlled environment, drugs will
be safer for adult use and less accessible to our children. And we believe that
by placing drug abuse in the hands of medical professionals instead of the
criminal justice system, we will reduce rates of addiction and overdose
deaths.

Fishman... Bravo.

1,2,c lol

I think that sums is all up pretty well!

"Improves gun sales in the US and helps the expand US Military presence across the world, except for Mexico."

Are you too ignorant to know that your statement is a blatant lie.

Look to 0bama, and Holder, if you want to see gun sales to Mexico, not American gun shops. Think Operation Fast and Furious: the gun running operation run by the Department of Justice, that assured the gun shops that the people they were told to sell guns to were being tracked. The entire thing was a ruse to get people like you to think what you just wrote.

"Reasons: Improves profit margins for drugs, aids casino money laundering, enhances super-pac campaign funding, keeps laws in check and no one can be blamed, consolidates profits, works perfectly."

Making something illegal caused an immediate Black Market to spring-up as a natural reaction to the laws of supply and demand; think prohibition, the laws that built the International Mafia from a bunch of town street gangs.

They must no longer teach critical thinking and American History in schools in America. Oh, wait a minute. They don't!

Operation Fast and Furious set up by the Justice Dept and ATF was pure and simple a plan to attack the/our second admendment. Obama and holder wanted to then implament stronger gun laws due to the out of control sale to straw buyers. This also goes along with Obama's promise not to go after the medical marijuana dispensaries which was one of his many campaign lies. You folks against drugs really need to check out leap.cc which is Law Enforcement Against Prohibition's website.

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition is an international organization of
criminal justice professionals who bear personal witness to the wasteful
futility and harms of our current drug policies. Our experience on the front
lines of the “war on drugs” has led us to call for a repeal of prohibition and
its replacement with a tight system of legalized regulation, which will
effectively cripple the violent cartels and street dealers who control the
current illegal market.

These people have been police, judges, laywers, DAs and other Law Enforcement Officals who have 'done battle' on the "War On Drugs" and if you take the time to read or watch some of their many videos you may also see why they feel the way they do.

Holder is so out of touch that after a memorial for a fallen officer he made a comment that the "War On Drugs" has not cost any Police or law enforcement officals their lives.

And the American Black Market, that exists due to the American government being involved in that which is none of the governments business, drives the entire thing.

Problem now is the same as the problem post Prohibition Laws; what will the cartels get into to make huge sums of money after drugs are legal again, the way they should have been all along?

Study American History, or repeat it!

Bo, How about enlightening us all about Obama's immigration and amnesty, or did you just make them up? You know Republican/Fox News Facts! Ever hear of a guy named Ronnie Raygun? Well...Ronnie gave amnesty (look up the word Bubba) to 2.5 million illegal aliens who were then allowed to bring over 13 million of their illegal alien relatives to the USA. President Obama has not given amnesty to any illegals and, in fact, he has deported more illegal criminals in his first 3 years than George the Warmonger did during his entire 8 years. When are you Republiclones going to grow up and deal in facts and not fiction?

Ronnie Raygun, Republiclones, Bubba, the Fox News slam...when are you going to grow up and be able to communicate your opinions without resorting to using sophomoric little names?

Amy - sandan may be sophomoric but he is right.

Over Memorial Weekend, I watched a red Explorer stop on a main two lane road, and saw two people run out of the desert, each carrying a box, and jump in. A few months ago my daughter watched a white mustang stop on a bridge on that road, and saw three guys come out from under the bridge and jump in the car. It's not unusual to hear motorized kites overhead at 2:30 in the morning. Ranchers find prayer rugs and korans on their property. A head was found on a fence post just off that two lane road about seven months ago, and the rest of the body was found across the road about a quarter of mile away. At the end of that road is a sign that warns people 'proceed at your own risk, drug and human trafficking taking place'. We're probably eighty miles from "The Border". We're in that alley way Paul Babeu talks about. People won't go out near the mountains to the west of us anymore, as they get shot at. And no, it's not the locals doing the shooting. My son in law was out deer scouting a couple of years ago, and had three or four illegals pass by not far from him. He won't go back there.

While I think what was done recently was just one more step, I won't ignore that the whole process was started years ago. I wrote Sheriff Babeu about a year and a half ago, and said it seemed like an invasion. He wrote me back, and said "It IS an invasion".

Even Hispanics lay this latest stunt to vote pandering, but I think it goes a lot further than that. Why else run Fast and Furious out of Az. and Tx.? And then turn around and put limits on how many long guns can be purchased at one time, BUT ONLY IN THE FOUR BORDER STATES? Fast and Furious was not a sting gone wrong; it went just as planned, until Brian Terry was murdered. And don't forget Jaime Zapata, He and his partner were also shot with F/F weapons.

Anybody else figuring out that we've been set up, big time?

Why do you people have so much trouble with something as simple as: Reagen had a REALLY BAD IDEA, what he did was Un-American, don't repeat it!

Complaining about Reagen, to protect 0bama, is unbecoming, and it doesn't get the job done that America desperately needs done.

Daniel, Daniel, Daniel,

I love to read the drug induced rhetoric of the proponents of Legalized Drugs. You and yours are the reason that the drug cartels are in business. The basic law of Supply and Demand is that you must first have a demand. It is a very complex problem that simplistic idiots always have simple solutions for. Take a look around you and see the true cost of drugs being so prominent in our society. People will spend the last dollar in their pockets to buy cigarettes instead of getting some milk and bread for their hungry children. Legalizing drugs would only give them more addictions than they already have. People cook Crack and Meth to poison our youth. Is that the kind of drugs you mean, because I do not see any shortage of Junkies on the city streets. Perhaps you are speaking of POT? I remember all the lost days and nights from the 70's where I partook. I wonder how you would feel if you went into surgery and your doctor had the munchies so bad that he removed your Kidney by mistake? Oops. I guess that would be WILD MAN.

Perhaps you are ok with your relatives going on welfare because they stay high so much, they either can not hold a job or just do not want to work. These people are like the poison they are selling. It all needs to be forcibly removed from the Earth. And I do mean by force since it is a direct attack on myself, my country, and the children who cannot protect themselves. Children are stolen from life and sold into the sex slave market and you think that it alright to get them hooked on drugs till their usefulness is gone. Then they die and you and yours still get to be high. There are no morals left in the world because drugs and the culture that uses them have lost all of the normal inhibitions that would normally prevent someone from raping a child. Wars are funded by drugs in the countries where we have troops fighting like Afghanistan. It is the Gross National Product of many small countries. The potential profit of producing it legally is overshadowed by the huge amounts of profit the Devil's advocates in our country produce in the form of Addicted poor people. If I had my way, I would follow China's example in correcting this problem as they did in the 70's, erase the market by erasing the criminals selling the poison. It is simple Economics for a complex problem.

Illegal Drugs are a cancer on the world as are Illegal Arms sales where a few get rich from the blood of millions. But take a look at the stats and you will see that legal drugs account for a huge percentage of addics using things like pain killers, and other drugs...legally. Without morals and self discipline, there cannot ever be a resolution to the complex problems of the world, but you will still be able to get high.

If I had my way, I would follow China's example in correcting this problem as they did in the 70's, erase the market by erasing the criminals selling the poison. It is simple Economics for a complex problem.

China solved the problem by labeling both users and dealers "social parasites" then slaughtering both in horrific mass executions. And hey, it works...if you don't mind living in a totalitarian police state. Sorry Larry but most folks aren't willing to live like that just so sniveling cowards like you can feel safe. I opt to live free - with all the risks and rewards that that entails. You, however, can just go hop the next boat to North Korea since they seem to be more your speed...

To try and change someones opinion like Larry's is like changing baby diapers, they just fill up again after awhile. The fact is if you legalize most drugs the human condition surrounding them wont change much. nobody that I know didn't withhold from trying drugs because they were illegal. Alcohol is hands down one of the most detrimental drugs to the human body and yet our society goes on. legalizing most drugs would only remove the competition amongst the criminal element, hence removing more serious crimes, like tax evasion, murder, robbery. Just saying legalize and let the natural order work itself out.

There is NO War on Drugs, and there is NO War on Terrorism. Both of these shams are a genuine WAR on YOUR PERSONAL FREEDOMS!

Do the math, look at American History, follow the money. If you believe in either of these so called Wars, you have not educated yourself about what is going on in America.

Larry

"I love to read the drug induced rhetoric of the proponents of Legalized Drugs. You and yours are the reason that the drug cartels are in business."

Larry, I don't do drugs, I don't even drink. However, I know that you have a right to drink and do drugs without interference from the government, at any level. Look to American History for your answers.

Stop trying to unsuccessfully blame people on the street for what has been brought upon us by Congress!

Unfortunately, I'm betting that you are one of the many people who will not be able to admit that you are wrong, even when you realize that you are, in fact, wrong.

Daniel, you leave out one very important thing that comes to mind right now. The crime, break-ins, robberies, and muggings, that are taking place on a much more frequent basis, are the perfect excuse for the government to be even more intrusive in our lives.

That is the plan!

As for the prison system, look at the percent of people incarcerated in the 60's and look at the percent in 2011. You will be horrified!

What has changed? Drug laws, and micro-management of the American population.

BTW, Larry,

The CIA, was a major importer of drugs, cocaine and opiates, we won't even get into marijuana, over the years. The CIA knows the value of drugs on the street, and the CIA used their profit money from drug sales to avoid Congress, and the American people, knowing how much they were really spending on covert, blatantly illegal, running the world schemes.

Yes, of course Presidents know about it.

Get an education, please!

I'm betting that you are unfortunately, one of the many, too, "American," to get anything that I, or any of the educated about the problem and solution people here, have said.

I find it amusing, yet terrifying, that the people on the Left, who argue for the decriminalization of drugs, are complete hypocrites.

First, these folks tend to be the same ones on the Left who want to outlaw the Super Big Gulp and toys in Happy Meals, because they lead to obesity, diabetes, heart disease, etc., which puts a strain on our healthcare system. Then, they say that criminalization of drugs is an infringement on civil liberties! Sure, the health of our nation is deteriorating...not many people with any sense would argue otherwise...but the logic here is hard to follow. Isn't it our civil liberty to buy a soft drink the size of the new Fiat? Isn't it our civil liberty to get a cheap piece of plastic to play with while we eat our Chicken McNuggets? Tell us what to eat, but don't dare tell us what to snort! Plus, ask any ER nurse what it's like to watch someone die from an overdose on heroin or crack. Will decriminalization reduce the likelihood that people will overdose? Further, is this not also a strain on our healthcare system?

Second, the people that argue for decriminalization of drugs because of its contribution to the black market tend to be the same ones who want stricter gun control...if not an outright ban of personal firearms. I know I shouldn't have to ask this question, but won't a criminalization of firearms also contribute to demand in the black market gun trade, putting guns into the hands of people who don't care what the law states, and disarming those who do?

The only solution that follows any semblance of common sense is to secure the border, but as a nation whose main concern is with political correctness, hurt feelings or coming across as racist and xenophobic, rather than with the welfare of its people, I don't have much hope that will happen.

If you want to drop things on the cartels strongholds, you would be dropping your, 'daisy cutters,' on government offices in Washington DC, and Mexico!

There is NO War on Drugs! There is NO War on terrorism! There is a massive WAR on the Freedoms of Americans!

AJV - I tried to check Agree twice and it would not let me - so - here I am - Agree-o

Fast and .. was just an excuse to label gun owners, buyers, sellers as criminals and in need of reigning in.

The best way to control a crowd is disarm them before they become a crowd. The constitution is being widdled away word by word until the nanny state says it no longer exists. Standby if 4 more takes place.

You will never have security on our borders for two reasons: 1. As long as there are laws that make it profitable to bring anything into America, there will be people figuring-out how to get across the border. 2. The government has not, and will not stop anyone from coming across the American border. Anything that the government has done has been purely a ruse!

You are correct abut the American corpses. However, the cartels are already kidnapping people and smuggling them into Mexico, where they are murdering them. The cartels would much rather continue their relationship with the American and Mexican governments the way that it is, rather than do something that would make the American government have to actually get involved in a hands on way. Eventually, someone will screw-up though, and the bloodbath will be on.

Romney's family lives in Mexico. Wouldn't they all make great hostages?

Bingo! Think, the Mafia, Prohibition, then post Prohibition. The Mafia was street thugs before Prohibition and an International organization after Prohibition. Prohibition, built the Mafia into what it is today, and was in its hay-day.

Simply legalizing pot wont do it, they're still #2 in Heroin production & exportation (Afghanistan being #1), #1 in production & exportation of Methamphetamine, and is a large exporter of Cocaine (which gets shipped to Mexico via Colombia at which point it's smuggled across our border). If we really want to knock them out, we'd have to legalize all these drugs and start production here, an idea most people would not support.

The prison guards union and the beer and liquor companies spent millions lobbying against legalization in California, when it was on the ballot.

Damn, Roger. You just had to bring the truth into this, didn't you!

That's exactly what they did, before Calderon. I used to to go to a club in Nogales, which was owned by what we called the Mexican Mafia. I guess that meant one of the cartels, but I hadn't heard of cartels back then. Not only did they leave you alone, but American tourists were generally considered sacrosanct. It was known that if you frequented this club no street criminal would bother you on your way back to the border station at three in the morning, They would just grin and wave when you stumbled drunkenly past.

Any "bad guys" who were in the place would cluster at the bar around where it cornered, and not only left the civilians alone, they could be downright friendly. I used to find it entertaining, the way they seemed to emulate "goodfellas" from TV, like on The Sopranos. I don't think I'd find them so entertaining now. It doesn't seem like they're willing to leave anyone alone. They act like you're either with them or against them. They don't seem to think there are any innocent civilians to leave alone.