theres no point in having an election in egypt. it's so corrupt anyway. i'm sure most people were bullied into voting for the wrong leader. what a disaster this country has become. so much history, and yet they cant get their act together because they are too focused on their primitive religious beliefs.

"primitive religious beliefs", correct rockmebritney.

This country doesn't get much of anything, but more male dominated functions that turn off any sense of hope. They can't get passed controlling half their population, then wonder why they remain third world. That's what happens when you put half your population into a third class status. They are so pathetic they don't realize there are destroying their biggest asset, tourism. No way am I going over to that hell hole, not with so many other amazing places in this world to see. They are killing the goose that laid the golden egg, ignorance and that pathetic oppressive religion has doomed them.

Arab Spring?
Bwahahaha!!!!

Tell you what, Michelle...why don't you try living for awhile as a woman in a country governed by the Muslim Brotherhood. Saying that the right wing opposes them is irony indeed, since they are about as right wing as you can get, especially as far as women are concerned.

But some of us inter-nuts kept saying from the start that there was no Arab Spring...it was an Extremist Muslim Winter.

Have any of you people ever stepped one foot outside of the United States and if you did, did you go to live in Egypt? If you haven't, then you should try to concentrate on the corruption in your own backyard before you go on opening up your pie-hole about Egypt!

Huh? What does Obama have to do with Egypt's election? He is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't get involved in another country's election. It is the people of Egypt's choice, just like the election of any American president is the choice of the American people. So think before you vote, people.

There's a chance that since the Brotherhood has popular support but not military support that the two main power brokers (the Brotherhood and the military) will be forced to moderate their views. But, hey, we say we support democracy in other parts of the world, sometimes the results of democracy aren't what we would like (especially when the first vote had too many moderate candidates splitting the majority of the vote.)

So the Muslim Brotherhood has won the presidency. This may turn out to be a somewhat hollow victory for them since the military council has pretty much neutered the power of the presidency. It will also be interesting to see what happens as far as the parliament is concerned since the Egyptian high court disbanded it and said the parliamentary elections were not properly conducted and were therefor invalid. Will they now have new parliamentary elections or will Morsi try and push for the re-seating of the existing parliament?!?! I somehow doubt the military is going to allow re-seating of the parliament controlled by the MB. The military is simply not going to allow Egypt to become a religious state. They will do whatever is necessary to maintain a secular society in Egypt. Morsi has the option of either working with the military to install a civilian secular government or have no power at all. The military is not going to let Morsi start appointing Islamists to every position in the government and institute an Islamic republic.

He will be lucky if he survives to be sworn in............

He looks like a nice dictator.

hmm...well-played by the Egyptian Military. declare the Muslim Brotherhood candidate President to appease the Islamists, but the military retains the real power.

Oh!!!! Sh1T

Well, maybe they want peace on earth

You know...we are all brothers....and they are the brotherhood

P.S. .....Everyone be pickin sides....WWWIII...that would be sad

There goes Egypt!!! They can kiss their tourism good bye! Soon the rest of the middle east will fall as well. Good thing I just got back from Israel! It is such a beautiful place! I can see why the muslims are jealous of what the Israeli's have worked hard for. You can definitely tell which neighborhood you are in....the last month of trash is littered all over the front of their homes in the palestinian neighborhoods.

Fedup, it is so heartwarming how the Obama administration helped out the Egyptian uprising. We can start the body-count shortly.

The GOP was just as vocal about Mubarak leaving as Obama. In fact, the Bush Administration originally called for "Democracy" in Egypt. Stop blaming everything on Obama. Sh*t happens and we're fools to think ANY US President can control the world.

Real bad news, especially for Christians minorities.

"His challenge is to lead a bitterly divided, fearful, and angry population toward a peaceful democratic outcome,"

There will be everything but peace and democracy under Islamists.

Well this shuts down the tourist business in Egypt... Just as well take all of the middle east off any of your tourist destinations... Plus this will kill their economy... Shame...

Muslim Islamic Extremists have a nasty habit of blowing up any historical reference to the past in countries they overrun...I sure hope they leave the Pyramids and the Sphinx and all the other Wonders of Antiquity alone.....An NO....you can't melt down King Tut's Treasures to buy a Nuclear Bomb from Iran !!!!!

God... what have we done..... I can only hope Egyptians stand up to the oppression of Islamic rule when the time comes...

I would like to see this become a win for Egypt as both Morsi and the military have a nicely paved road for moderation and more democratic ways. Theirs is a young democracy whereas our two 'parties' have become extreme, corrupt and of little to no use. We need a fresh start, but I don't see it any time soon as all appears more and more divided and extreme.

The election may or may not have been corrupt, but given the numbers it seems more of a split either way, so again.... both working together would be somewhat of a good role model for others, us included. Living in the US, I don't have a dog in this fight so whom did or didn't win isn't my business nor anyone elses living outside of Egypt.

Democracy is supposed to be for all correct? I wonder if all of you on this board who support this outcome think women in Egypt will share is this new democracy.

you think Republicans and Democrats are extreme? You obviosuly havent been reading the news in the states... Look up "Honor Killings in the United States" and you'll see what Islamic extremism can bring to even our country.

Some like Netanyahos have been acting smart by inventing problems in Iran, Syria and other places.

If Hillary speaks, then it is Jewish lobby speaking.

Islamist Morsi will be bad for Israel too. They have a big intolerant enemy right next door!

There is a number of really good comments so far. Aside from the left and right political BS anyway (sigh).

@ModerationInAllThings - I especially agreed with yours..... well said I enjoyed reading it.

@Ben1986 - I looked it up as you suggested. Its terrible and heart breaking.

Also I too hope the Egyptian people manage to hold things together its a dangerous time for them still.

Rockmebritney - "primitive religous beliefs - exactly what's happening in this country with the right wing chrisian mullahs telling the sheep of their flocks who to vote for.

It's so good to see democracy in action. Egypt democratically chose a more progressive liberal government.

Allahu Akbar!

Cheryl Haque...(#1.32).....The so-called Palestinians have been nomads for 6,000 years....Why ???.....They are the dregs of the Middle East ....NO country wants them....not Syria, Iraq, Libya, Egypt ( in fact Egypt has a very sophisticated wall to keep them out....It goes down below the water table so if they try to tunnel under...it floods )....

I'll ask this one more time....Is the Dome of The Rock Mosque built on top or under the Ancient Hebrew Temple Mount in Jerusalem ????

Cheryl, I was THERE for the last 2 weeks. The Jews don't live in Palestine neighborhoods! Jews don't fly Palestinian flags on their roof tops! Telling the TRUTH makes me ignorant? So what does that make you? Go pick up your trash!

You ARE jealous of Israel.....their land is rich and beautiful while yours is just a dumpy desert because you don't want to work the land like the Jews did. Trust me, if you got it, it would look like the same dumpy desert!

No body stole Palestinian land.......they were Arabs who came to work for the Jews, that doesn't entitle them to land!

FedupwithFed....TORNADO WARNING FOR BOCA / DELRAY has expired......Phew !!!!

@Michelle1073610:

Give 'em a chance, will ya? This is their right and their freedom on the line, they have a right to choose.

They made a choice all right. And, under the rule of the Muslim Brotherhood, it's the last choice they will probably ever make. There will be many people wishing they were under the rule of the military again in just a little while. Read some of the Muslim Brotherhood's literature/objectives. I didn't want to believe it either.

Thanks Mike, didn't even know there was one.....aside from the rain and thunder, I'm jet lagged!!!

Good Point on the location of the Dome of the Rock!!

I'll ask this one more time....Is the Dome of The Rock Mosque built on top or under the Ancient Hebrew Temple Mount in Jerusalem ????

From the outside looking in, it is easy to see how they Egyptians have been brutalized by the former regime. But from the inside of Egypt looking out, it is also easy to see the connection between what the U.S. wanted and what Mubarak did. Muslim or not, letting people have a say in how they're governed versus being ruled by a puppet of the U.S. is a good thing. If they'd rather choose to be kept under the thumb of a brutal theocracy than under the thumb of a brutal dictatorship, I don't see how we can really blame them. It will now be harder to scapegoat the U.S. for their economy, for their corruption, and every other bad thing that happens to them. A century ago, Germany was the world's biggest scapegoat. Then after WWII, the USSR was the world's biggest scapegoat. After the fall of the USSR, WE became the world's biggest scapegoat. This is a win against the terrorist propaganda machine that is intentionally trying to start a war by convincing the entire Muslim world that we hate them and convincing the entire Western world that ALL of them hate us, not just the radicalized ones.

Palestine was a country.... about 5000 years ago..... Not really an argument.... you lost in a war against supposed to be inferior forces.... aka the Israelites, the only gear they had was what they got out of Egypt and what they where able to take from you. They also had one of the greatest military commanders in history, he used guerilla warfare so expertly, that some said that his army was invisible. So, you lost a war, and that is why they live there. This is from a 100% historical standpoint. If you are religious (christian/Jewish) then you know that they had god on there side. Stop being noobs and suck it up. There are 10 year olds that behave better than you guys!!!

Gay Marriage and Abortion are two subjects where one's opinion often comes down to whether they're religious or not. I trust that everyone on this board who are skeptical and derisory of Egypt's decision to combine "church" and state are making sure they vote to support gay marriage and the right to an abortion, lest they be hypocrites who want to combine church with state here in their own country while deriding Egyptians for doing the same

So once upon a time we installed a puppet in Iran in order to provide the facade of democracy. Eventually the Iranians got wise, threw him out, and what we got instead was something much worse than what we had before: the Iranian Revolution and yet another Islamic theoracy.

And once upon another time we installed a puppet in Egypt in order to provide the facade of democracy. Eventually the Egyptians got wise, threw him out, and what we got instead was something potentially much worse than what we had before: the Egyptian Revolution and yet another Islamic theocracy.

Way to go, all you nation-building hawks.

Tell you what, Michelle...why don't you try living for awhile as a woman in a country governed by the Muslim Brotherhood. Saying that the right wing opposes them is irony indeed, since they are about as right wing as you can get, especially as far as women are concerned.

200 years ago in this very country women were oppressed and slavery was the norm. You can't expect every country to already be at the level the US is now. It took us hundreds of years of hard work. The Egyptian people's fight for freedom is just beginning.

I am sure the Muslim Brotherhood thanks President Barack Hussein Obama for his assistance in bringing Them to power,Yes, They promised They would not participate in the Presidential Election if the old regime was overthrown, but hey, that's what promises are for right, to manipulate the naive, ignorant and uninformed to get them to do what You want and then You can forget about Them, isn't that true, Mr.Barack Hussein Obama?(take note Hispanics, Gays, Women , College Students, Home owners, American allies, especially Israel, and anyone else Mr. Barack Hussein Obama made promises to the last election and is now making the same promises he didn't keep last time), Israel has already been attacked from Egypt everyday this week,and You Christians, Women, and Gays in Egypt, I am afraid all bets are off, You are now on Your Own ,Good Luck

Hope the Islamist Rule of Egypt doesn't destroy the Pyramids, other ancient buildings, and historical artifacts. There goes money made from Tourism..

This is what the Taliban did in Afghanistan, destroying everything; ancient historical monuments around them..

This is what the Egyptians Protesters asked for; a Change---Mubarak is/or was a Saint compared to what the Egyptian people will be getting.

They did not know how good they had it. Don't forget Iran and it's Leader. They ARE involved with all Middle East Countries/N. African Chaos, wanting to take over this entire region.

Oh yeah, the Muslim Brotherhood. Hoodlums yes, but nothing else. Have a good look at the pictures - where are the women and young educated university females?????

Thought so, those friggen Muslims will ruin everything as they do in all other ME countries and around the world.

No freedom for women, no education for women, no voice to be heard. What a "fine" fuc.ink country that is.

Egypt, go away, you are not worthwhile dealing with! And why we are at it, NO MORE financial support to those sand diggers.

Kathy,

You beat me to it. I was thinking that RockmeBritany's statement,

"theres no point in having an election in egypt. it's so corrupt anyway. i'm sure most people were bullied into voting for the wrong leader. what a disaster this country has become. so much history, and yet they cant get their act together because they are too focused on their primitive religious beliefs."

would be pretty relevant if you just substituted the United States for Egypt.

Our country has become corrupt in that money rules. We have become a government where a very large portion of our legislature is manipulated by corporate interests. A lot of people in this country are being "bullied" or maybe more accurately, fooled and manipulated into voting for the wrong leaders, through the brainwashing that takes place during elections. Hundreds of millions of dollars are spent with deceptive and manipulative advertising to sway voters. And without a doubt there is an extreme hardcore religious based movement who wants to control other peoples lives based on their religious beliefs. Many people are getting played in that they think they are supporting ridiculous emotional issues that really mean nothing, while they in fact are voting against their own best interests. That is "bullying" without the physical threat.

But just like everyone on the right here is not a religious fanatic, every supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt isn't a religious fanatic either. Many are only looking for a more Democratic society as opposed to a military dictatorship. I don't think we really understand what Morsi is all about. He lived and attended school in the US and has two children who are US citizens. From what I have read, Morsi may very well have played to the religious fanatics not entirely unlike the Republicans here have played the Tea Party and the religious right. The military is really the major controlling factor in Egypt and the question is how much they want to play. The military will most likely keep the religious radicals in check but may very well be willing to work toward economic reform. A better economy will trump the religious radicals.

We don't know one way or the other where this leads and it is foolish to jump to conclusions yet. I think it is safe to say that Egypt is very much divided in some ways. However, I think there is a large middle ground who want to see more democracy even in those who voted against Morsi. Their religious right isn't anything near approaching a majority and many who voted against Morsi, probably did so with the thought that they'd take their chance with the military rather than risk religious extremists from gaining power. Though that doesn't mean those people favored a dictatorship type government. Clearly the Egyptian people wanted to see change, but as to what that change looks like, I think it has many faces. Only time will tell.

This is the beginning of the end for Egypt, perhaps Israel, as well.

No doubt Israel is not thrilled.

Not good news for the Middle East, nor 49% of Egyptians, including their Christian citizens.

JM of California:

Will President Obama want to negotiate with The Muslim Brotherhood?

There is NO dealing with Islamists, Terrorists who Govern what is now a deceased country, Egypt.

Israel has never been thrilled with any of their neighbors, savoring the little bit of Peace between Egypt and it's State. Israel will remain, but as noticed, they are laying low, while all the fighting, uprisings are going on--They have their own "Plan". Do not take them lightly being defeated.

Marchant

I see we agree, but you don't seem to comprehend my comment.

the evil Muslim brotherhood won the election and his ugly Mohamed marsy from their group>@#, big countries supported the evil as in the bible.

¹And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

²With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

³So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

⁴And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

⁵And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

⁶And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

⁷And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

⁸The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

⁹And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

¹⁰And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

¹¹And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

¹²And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

¹³These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

¹⁴These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

¹⁵And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

¹⁶And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

¹⁷For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

¹⁸And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

If anyone on this page thinks that the election in Egypt will bring anything but misery for Egyptians,just take a look at the Government the Palestinian people elected,the terrorist group Hamas.The first thing they did was kill everyone who was against them,then attack Israel and start a war that killed thousands. It seems every time Muslims are given a chance at Democracy ,they elect a Islamic terrorist group and try to impose Islam on all of their non Muslim citizens, and this is supposedly the peace loving moderate Muslims. Christians in Egypt,8 million Strong , better start arming themselves ,because the peace loving Muslims and their Islamic Sharia law ,is coming to a neighborhood near you!!!

Egypt has now taken a huge step backwards.

Looking at the large picture on the front page I only see two women. Hope they are okay after this. Raping women and killing women have increased drastically since the removal of Mubarak.

JM of California:

I fully understand what you are saying. For49 per cent of the Egyptians this is not good news.

What else should I be understanding in your comment. You mentioned Israel's plight in the Situation, and Egypt as well. Yes?

Please explain the connecting "dots".

No missing dots, Marchant. Just wondering about this last statement of yours:

Do not take them lightly being defeated.

I don't take anything "lightly", when it involves the Middle East. I anticipated a victory for the Moslem Brotherhood a long time ago. Many liberal Americans were convinced that the Arab Spring in Egypt would be wonderful. When I stated, "Hold on, wait for elections before praising this event", many thought I was being ridiculous. To date, I see very little hope for many of the Arab countries, who ousted their regimes, regardless of all the wishful thinking. Regretfully, Obama has been a witness to these changes and will bear some responsibility.

The libs here in the US are happy with this outcome. Most of us on this board knew when Egypt fell to chaos that the MB would eventually take over. I do think many that protested originally meant to have a very different outcome. But the truth was they were a small minority wanting to see Egypt move into the modern world. This group is the losers. I have read many comments from that democracy group knowing the radical changes the MB will be making. So I will assume brain drain is about to take place in Egypt. Those with the means will get out. No choice. Women of all religious beliefs need to get out ASAP.

A reporter on the scene this am said that group in the square were firmly ANTI US and ANTI Israel. There will be no hand holding. The biggest issue for the MB is feeding the masses that depend on bread from the government. Good luck feeding the folks when the tourism is still down by 30 percent. Don't count on US citizens or Europeans to visit if women are treated like cattle.

JM of California:

Thank you.

My comment is commenting about Israel. Israel will not be defeated. They have a Plan by lying low during all the Uprisings.

Your comments re: Egypt's new Government, The Muslim Brotherhood are excellent.

Arab Fall

KEVIN-749492

It is a historic day for Islam. God has given them the gift of power through democracy. The world will embrace Islam and love them. Trust me.

And if do not embrace us, we will just kill you. So simple.

I knew we were on the same page, Marchant! I enjoyed your insightful comments, as well.

Have a pleasant Sunday!

Morsi resigned from the Muslim Brotherhood party after he was declared president.

I didn't see that one coming, this is a surprising "twist" ... I am not sure what to think, but I doubt the Muslim Brotherhood is happy about it. Maybe he actually does want to work towards a secular government and/or democracy, at least to a point. The future will tell ...

I admit I was expecting a bad reaction especially if Shafiq had been elected (and maybe he was, but we'll never know), especially after the comments from some of Morsi's supporters (about refusing to acknowledge the results if Shafiq was elected), but it seems it was mainly Morsi's supporters who were in Tahrir Square so I guess this crowd is happy for the most part.

Either way I wish the egyptian people good luck and hopefully no sharia law.

I want to see how they will square Sharia law and Democracy. That's gonna be interesting. (Think of the debates in their parliament. "Clitoral mutilation is a right, of the people!")

Well, this "errant towelhead election" may coincide with Rommel and Ryan getting in; THEY WON'T...THANK THE HEAVENS Because These two Vampires will have America in Multiple Wars, Starting with Iran, then Egypt, Then Syria, Then Continuing Afghan WITH THAT SLIMY RAT Karzaii. And - But Ooooohhhh the Corporate PROFIT!!! with all those wars With YOUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS Fighting for the 1-5% EVIL RICH'S Wealth and Corporate Money Making. Try this One On for Size With The republicanCrimeCartel

President Harry Truman in 1948: "The Republicans … will try
to make people believe that everything the Government has done for the country
is socialism. They will go to the people and say: "Did you see that social
security check you received the other day—you thought that was good for you,
didn't you? That's just too bad! That's nothing in the world but socialism. Did
you see that new flood control dam the Government is building over there for the
protection of your property? Sorry—that's awful socialism! That new hospital
that they are building is socialism. Price supports, more socialism for the
farmers! Minimum wage laws? Socialism for labor! Socialism is bad for you, my
friend. Everybody knows that. And here you are, with your new car, and your
home, and better opportunities for the kids, and a television set—you are just
surrounded by socialism! Now the Republicans say, 'That's a terrible thing, my
friend, and the only way out of this sinkhole of socialism is to
vote for the
Republican ticket.'" And that was 64 Years Ago!!!, the republicanCrimeCartel is still doing the same exploitation of people THEY ARE NOTORIUS FOR. Now, according to KingGeorgeTheVacuumBrained, it is called "free market" capitalism; with families in the streets and 21% Unemployment.......

Remember Fellow and Sister Americans: A vote for ANY republicanCrimeCartelSoldier, Rommel and his lovemate be it christi, rubio or ryan, is a vote Against Yours and Your Family's Well Being.

As an addendum to my comment above, The Drudge report just posted a story where an Egyptian man has beaten his pregnant wife to death because she did not vote for Mursi, the Islamic Botherhoods presidential candidate.

For: Vyor Derfa, Sorry but your history is off. There was no country of Palestine 5000 years ago. The first time the actual word Palestine was used was 500 BC. There were a people called Peleset approx. 1150BC and other similar names even further back in history. But there was never a country of Palestine. The term was used to represent a territory that included many different peoples, many with a government and borders within this territory, but sorry, never a Palestine.

If the Muslim Brotherhood implements any social policy that'd be religious equivalent of Mubarak's past burdens on people's freedom, then I'm quite sure the Egyptians will again gather at the Tahir Square. They've tasted the power of their protests and upheaval, and they quite like it. I'd like for them to move on from the revolutionary phase to more constructive rebuilding and reconciling phase, and hope Morsi who knows pretty well how miserable it was under Mubarak choose wisely and put money where his mouth is in representing his party as Pan-Egyptian. I don't know much, but I am sure moderation and reconciliation are key.

This Whole islamic fish REALLY STINKS!!!! And now another person has noted that an islamic "man" has beaten his Pregnant Wife To death because she did Not vote for the islamic ticket. These towelhead countries run by Stinking skinny smelly Woman Disliking islamic "priests" spells one Theme. Nostradamus was Right....... This is Not good And the bomb is already there in ISLAMIC INFESTED PAKISTAN.

this is not good..... When one sees what kind of InHumanity these islamics create, it is not good.

Fed Up........It's not my trash. It's yours.....I'm Born in the USA and have no Arab blood in me. I am of Armenian decendency....The Holocaust is always in our face, but not the Armenian Genocide. And it was Palestine's land originally. Go put your head in the sand and act as all the other ostriches of the world.

There will be everything but peace and democracy under Islamists religion.

Fixed that for you.

"Mohammed Morsi, the Muslim Brotherhood-backed candidate, was declared Egypt’s first Islamist president on Sunday with 51.7 percent of last weekend's run-off vote, defeating Ahmed Shafiq, who had been tapped as prime minister by former President Hosni Mubarak."

The people of Egypt have spoken. Now let them find out if they made the right decision, and if not, suffer the consequences.

Democracy is sometimes a painful learning process.

@Cheryl haque, Bullit171 told you the truth, there never was a country called Palistine. They are just a groupe of people.

Now this may step on some toes but here goes. A country can never survive when ruled strictly by religion. A country can survive when it is run buy Government, Democraticly and having Laws. Religion is Faucist, this going to get you peeved, so is UCMJ, it has to be that way. This is why Church and Military survive in a Democracy. With out Democracy Church and Military can't surveive.

This is why countries that want to rule with religion will always be in a power struggle. Civil Wars and unrest that is going on there is just 1 religious groupe wanting to rule over the other groupe. This has been going on for over 5000 yrs and they haven't figured it out yet.

Cheryl Hague:

Thank you for educating me on the Armenian Genocide, also called The Holocaust. I was not aware of these events that happened to Armenia in the past. Good explanation from Wikipedia below:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_genocide

the Dome of The Rock Mosque built on top or under the Ancient Hebrew Temple Mount in Jerusalem

The Ancient Hebrew Temple Mount in Jerusalem is built on the village of the Canaanite tribe who lived there and built Jeruselam prior to King David and his conquests. Anyway, the dome on top is what makes it stand out. It's sad that the governments in Jerusalem are at odds. Much like in the USA (Rep v Dem), it's hard to get things accomplished when you're bickering.

But this story is about Egypt's newly elected president. I hope he brings the people there together for a common good and that they prosper together.

Read some American history. This was pretty peaceful in comparison.

I think I'll just sit back a while and see how it goes. After all the election seams to have gone the way the populance wanted.

@Marchant, nice and informative link, awful lot to read at one sitting.

rockmebritney

theres no point in having an election in egypt. it's so corrupt anyway. i'm sure most people were bullied into voting for the wrong leader. what a disaster this country has become. so much history, and yet they cant get their act together because they are too focused on their primitive religious beliefs.

Funny. Can any country actually compete with us as far as corruption? Corporations line the pockets of government officials in exchange for favorable legislation. We invade and intrude where we don't--all in the name of a fake democracy that we cling to by party affiliation. What happened in Egypt is "Democracy." We don't have to live under their form of government and they ours.

As for primitive religions--which one isn't?

To the Egyptian people:

The free people of the world salute you for your accomplishment of a democratic election and wish you well in your journey toward peace and a free society! Kudos to you.

The headline for this story should have been; “Let the be-headings begin” or perhaps “ Ladies put on your burkas”. Government of religion by religion and for religion? .............. I almost feel sorry for the Egyptian people. I say almost because their the ones that were foolish enough to vote for the Islamic Mafia. Anybody with half a brain will take Egypt off their travel agenda.

sandtrich

Can any country actually compete with us as far as corruption?

Sorry but are you that naive about other countries? The answer to your question is YES, many governments are corrupted beyond belief. At least here you won't get tortured or killed for expressing your opinion in a message board.

Read the entire article. Just as the religious-Right in the US refers to our country as a "Christian nation" because this is the majority religion here, so it is true with Arab countries or in this case Egypt that Islam is a majority religion. But this does not equate to a theocracy.

Also, you might note the brotherhood did not get their first pick to run. Morsi's comments appear to be much more moderate. And the military has ultimate control in Egypt regardless, which means Morsi does not have absolute power by any means -- But may be a balance to military rule (absent the other candidates who inadvertently were eliminated from the election process). Give this time...

Cassandra

Saying that the right wing opposes them is irony indeed, since they are about as right wing as you can get, especially as far as women are concerned.

The Muslim Brotherhood isn't right wing. It is a religious totalitarian regime. Islam is a economic/religious/political system. They care nothing of what is right or left wing. There is only their system and the nothing else is acceptable.

Seems to me the ones who are quick to say things about people not dying in vain are also the ones who don't do any of the fighting/protesting...

Cheryl

The Jewish people BOUGHT the land from the Palestinians - at 2 - 3 times it's worth. When the Israeli's owned about half of the land, they started talking about establishing a Jewish state. Great Britain proposed this to the UN and the UN passed it. Before the UN resolution became law, Egypt and Syria attacked Israel in the name of the Plight of the Palestinians. The reason they did this was they did not want the Palestinians in their own borders. Given the Palestinian history since 1948 and the land that is now a Palestinian state, you should be able to understand why Syria and Egypt don't want Palestinians in their own borders.

True Patriot. yes, as long as the military is the true power, the brotherhood will not get everything it wants. The question is how long until military personel favorable to the brotherhood gain control of the military.

PROOF OF WHAT THE FOUNDING FATHERS STATED "The average Citizen is too ignorant to determine the Highest Offices of the Land, President and Vice President" as to their real argument in establishing the Rich Elitist Electoral College:

Miss Copper's Mom - Huh? What does Obama have to do with Egypt's election?

In March 2009 President Obama stated his new Policy that allowed the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran to do anything without US Interventions, so the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran did with the Results:

a. Increased pressure on the Government of the Islamic Nation of Iraq to get the US out of Iraq or be overthrown. Result: Loss of the Strategic Location that applied pressure on the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran., Loss of the Strategic Iraqis Oil to the Chinese and Russian Federation, allies of the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran, this Iraqis Oil could have paid for the US Military Liberation of Iraq with decades of Iraqis Oil., No more negotiations with President Obama for the US to remain, so President Obama uses President Bush's Time Table to withdraw from Iraq (US Military of 16,000 - 1,500 US Embassy Personnel = conducting Combat Patrols to keep the 104 Acres US Embassy secure, the President Obama lie that US Military Combat Units have withdrawn).

b. Increased pressure on the Government of the US Ally Islamic Nation of Pakistan to get the US out of Pakistan or be overthrown. Result: US loss of Strategic Location at Pakistan to provide Supplies to landlocked Afghanistan.

c. US Ally Egypt Overthrown. Result: Prior to the "Arab Spring" (Fundamentalist Islamic Overthrows of US Allies) the Fundamentalist Islamic Muslim Brotherhood negotiated with the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran to support the Fundamentalist Islamic Muslim Brotherhood overthrow US Ally President Mubarack, in return the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran gets access to the Strategic Suez Canal, and possibly complete control using the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran Hypersonic and Supersonic Landbased 21st Century Anti Ship Missile Batteries (currently being mobilized with the Chinese and Russian Federation Military Maintenance Personnel), also being mobilized are the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran 21st Century Integrated Air Defense Missile Batteries to protect the Hypersonic and Supersonic Anti Ship Missile Batteries., Possible Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran IRBMs stationed at Egypt targeting US Allies., Closer Mediterranean locations to attack US Allies.

d. Pressure on the US Ally Government of Afghanistan to give the Chinese (China Meturugical Group) the High Tech Mineral Wealth of Afghanistan or be overthrown. These High Tech Minerals are of Strategic value to the US for the current High Tech US Standard of Living and future Alternative Energy. In 2011 China place restrictions on the export of High Tech Minerals out of China to other Nations (Translation all future US and US Allies High Tech must be Made In China, future thefts of US High Technology designs including US Military Weapons Systems.).

e. Defeat of US Ally President of Yemen. Partial loss of Strategic USN Port. Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists reopen the Main Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadist Training Camps on the Southern Borders of US Ally Saudi Arabia and Northern Border of Yemen. As outed by Senator Liebermann, this is one of President Obama's Secret Wars with US Military Asymmetric Warfare Forces from Afghanistan attached to President Obama's Executive Intelligence Agency, the CIA, SAD/SOG; this is being paid for by not Budgeted for US Taxpayer Funds as Discretionary Spending, just like the other three President Obama Secret Wars (hundreds of Billions USDs, almost a Trillion USDs). Increased Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists pressure on US Ally Saudi Arabia, main source of US Oil.

f. Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group and many other Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists Groups go to Libya to Overthrow former US Ally President Gaddaffi as a Collaborator to the Christians, Jews, Unbelievers. This is done as trained by the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran's Special Forces, Quds, as Asymmetric Warfare (Insurgency), get the People to fight for your Causes for perceived injustices. Result the founding of another Fundamentalist Islamic Nation. Loss of a US Ally. Closer Mediterranean locations to strike at the US European Allies (aka Crusaders). US European Allies loss of the Strategic Libyan Oil as negotiated by the Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists ("Libyan Rebels") with Qatar of the Chinese to obtain the Libyan Oil. President Obama violated US Laws especially the 1973 War Powers Resolution, used Billions of not Budgeted for US Taxpayer Funds as Discretionary Spending, including paying for the US and NATO Military Personnel, Fuel, Bombs, etc., because President Obama violated US Law, US Congress did not write a US Law to cover his arse and appropriate the required US Congressional Appropriations.

g. Redacted.

Miss Copper's Mom - He is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't get involved in another country's election.

That is what happens when President Obama does not listen to his "Experts" as "Don't confuse me with the Facts, my mind is made up". Just like you. After being shown the evidence of the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran's supporting the Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists Worldwide, President Obama's Registered Democrat General McChrystal stated that the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran was supporting the Fundamentalist Islamic Al Quada, Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban (Afghanistan, and Pakistan), Fundamentalist Islamic Haqquini Network, Fundamentalist Islamic Army of Islam (Pakistan, not the US Ally Government of Pakistan Military), Fundamentalist Islamic Foreign Fighters of Hamas Chechen etc. (Afghanistan); because this was against President Obama's March 2009 Policy General McChrystal as nominated by President Obama to Command Afghanistan is given a Letter of Reprimand by President Obama.

Miss Copper's Mom - It is the people of Egypt's choice, just like the election of any American president is the choice of the American people.

Nope. Just like by armed force the Hamas overthrew the Elected Government of Palestine and force the Legitimate Government of Palestine to the West Bank. After that the Hamas Warlords held "Elections" just to placate the international outcry (cry babies). It is routine for Fundamentalist Islam to use armed force first as, "Dead people do not complain" and the use of "empty words" (negotiations) is a last resort. This is why there are more Fundamentalist Islamic Believers (Muslims, definition of Islamic Believers completely subjugated to Islam) and less and less "Moderate", "Liberal", "Modern", etc. Islamic Believers, as the Fundamentalist Islamic Believers are killing off the other Islamic Believers as Islamic Heretics (Death Penalty Fatawas). The minority of the 1.7 Million Islamic Believers at the US do NOT determine what Islam is or is not for the Majority of 1.8 Billion Islamic Believers Worldwide.

Miss Copper's Mom - So think before you vote, people.

You need to heed your own advice.

Facts count; emotive "popular" emotive opinions do NOT count. Results matter; not would have should have could have.

And you don't even know like I stated before that your "Popular" Vote does not mean squat, as the Rich Elitists of the Electoral College determine the US President and Vice President.

The numbers that voted for your post also shows how much the US Public is Brainwashed believing propaganda instead of doing their own Research (not DNC website, nor Wikipedia).

Thank you very much President Obama you only undid over 20 years of our work that cost us thousands of lives. Of the thousands of us that started in the 1980s there are only a dozen of us left, all of those friends, buddies of ours dead for nothing or missing limbs. And thank you President Clinton as Commander In Chief for your Ordered Cut to the Bone Reduction In Forces of the US Military, so no replacements for us were trained.

In 2012 after the Results became known (partial list above) of President Obama's March 2009 Policy, the Democratic National Committee removed President Obama's March 2009 Policy from President Obama's List of Achievements.

The Arab Spring and the Muslim Brotherhood brought to you by Barak Obama. When will we start seeing the campaign ads, it is undoubtably one of Barry's finer accomplishments. ROTFLMAO!!!!

DB Akron - "There is only their system and the nothing else is acceptable."

Golly, that sure has a familiar ring to it.. Where have I heard that? Fox News? Rush Limbaugh?

Here comes a Mohammed in moderate Egypt!

It has started with Allaho Akbar.

Even Allah can't save the Egyptians.

Marchant,

You are welcome.

also do not worry, there is more blood shed to come.

The Question is will be, will the Military hand over power?

Will Tourism continue in Egypt?

Will the Ancient Egyptian Artifacts survive the Muslim Brotherhood. (Conservative Islamics call for their destruction)

Will Egypt honor their peace agreement with Israel?

In other words, a parliament ruled by people who want to incorporate a theocracy.

Sounds like the Republican party to me!

Momus please stop talking nonsense. I am a lifelong liberal Democrat...but there is no way we can compare the Republican Party to the Islamic Brotherhood, or American political corruption to Islamic extremism.

Tired of the crap, your statement reminds of a humane serial killer. Good post.

Who said the military will give up power

Power and money corrupts

Absolute power and unlimited money...corrupts absolutely (get a clue)

Cassandra, I am a lifelong conservative Republican...but I agree with you! Imagine that.

There will Ramadan style soap opera of democracy.

We are seeing Islamic "love" and "peace" in many places.

Funniest is that "love" and "peace" dancers of Islam, Sufis are blown up while praying their Allah on Fridays in mosques in Pakistan.

Cassandra...

nate said " a parliament ruled by people who want to incorporate a theocracy."

Now, if that doesn't sound like the Republican party to you, then maybe you can explain to me how it is YOUR party is always complaining about the right-wing theocratic sect high-jacking democracy? I'm a Libertarian and I hate religious nuts trying to tell me what to do. If that ain't the Republicans, then tell me who it is? You can call it nonsense all you want, but the Republican Party is exactly like the Muslim Brotherhood and the sooner you wake up and realize that, the sooner you'll stop calling what I said nonsense.

@ Momus... you are so full of it !!

Momus I agree.

'Islamic Democracy" is no more oxymoronic than "Christian Democracy" which is why Sarah Palin and her ilk are so dead wrong. When there's a disagreement between what society needs and what the religious SAY that god needs, who wins?

Momus:

Stop it with your BS.

The only 'theocratic' ideals being touted by Republicans that can possibly affect your life are the issues of abortion and gay marriage. I don't agree with the Republicans' viewpoints on either of them, but it is their right to advance it (in 5 years, both of those things will be allowed completely anyways).

Islamist rule incorporates an all-encompassing theocracy...every area in your life is controlled by them. And you will go to jail or get hanged for things like getting raped by someone while being married, or 'blaspheming' Mohammad's name. You can't even speak your opinion (like you are doing now).

I know you think that you sound cute or clever for comparing some of the Republicans' ideals on abortion and gay marriage to what a Muslim theocracy would like. In reality, you are an idiot who is completely out of touch with how the world is.

I cannot for the life of me understand liberals who are so against the Right's ideals, yet support this Arab Spring which will lead to nothing but Sharia law. How does that make sense? Have you been to places like Iran or Afghanistan and seen what goes on there? Do you have any clue about how little freedoms and rights the average person is afforded (and especially women) under Islamic rule?

@Bens....It's really easy to say someone is full of @!$%#, without offering a reason why to the way you feel that way. I explained the rationale behind my argument in simple terms. Of course, I could write a 25 page thesis paper on the subject, but I keep it simple. Try and do the same the next time you come at me with your bull@!$%#!

America is really the country of the Free.

I've been to Europe a number of times, and even though they are way more left wing socially (which is your ideal world presumably), they actually seem to have less freedoms than in America. Firstly, their increased freedoms just give Islamists more room to operate. For example, I am a Jew and have to hide that fact when I walk down Amsterdam's streets for fear of being physically abused. You can talk about the right's religious views on abortion all day long, but on a realistic, down to earth level, I can't even walk freely in European cities. Except that idiots like you would never see that as a problem. You're so focused on stupidity that you can't open your eyes to how the world actually is.

Secondly, extra freedoms often mean more slavery. Do you know how big a problem human trafficking is in Europe because of their views regarding prositution? Or how screwed up their economies are because people can retire at age 55 and start receiving gv't benefits? Or how easily their systems are abused by foreigners?

I'm not saying that America is perfect and that it can't become a better place (and that we shouldn't try to make it better). But all this nonsense about blaming Republicans for all our problems and comparing them to the Muslim Brotherhood...that doesn't do anything to advance our country, only to set it back. If you are so interested in social freedom, move to Holland. But please don't bring Holland's problems here.

@N...Oh, I see we have another one of the it's our way or the highway types. I served my country damn near all of my adult life, with about 12 years of it spent stationed overseas, so I do have perspective when I say what I say.

First of all, to call me an idiot, without knowing anything about where I've been in the world is a pathetic attempt on your part to make yourself feel better, no doubt, about your own shortcomings of world knowledge and acceptance. I can care less about the rights of the men and women in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, the UAE or any other Muslim nation. What I do care about is the freedoms of the men and women in this country to choose what is in their best interest, regardless of their party or religious affiliation.

Secondly, I'm not a liberal! There are some things I am liberal on though, but at the end of the day, I'm a live and let live type of person who can care less about you taking it up the ass in your closet! I've traveled to many Muslim nations and spent more than 2 years in the most populous Muslim nation on the planet. Can you tell without looking it up on Google which country I'm talking about? I doubt it!

Third, A woman's right to choose iswithin itself the most fundamental right afforded to women under the Constitution. If the government can FORCE a woman to keep a child she doesn't want, then that same government can FORCE a woman to do just about anything they deem fit. I don't deny the fact that many Muslim nations hold back on certain women's rights, but they don't follow the Constitution of the United States, and THAT is the difference. So, you can call what I say bull@!$%#, and call me a Muslim sympathizer if it makes you feel better, but it still doesn't change the fact that the right-wing Christian base of the Republican Party falls along the same line, only a different religion.

Oh, and since you're a Jew, why don't you talk about the rights of the women in the state of Israel. Israel is surely a model of consistency when it comes to women's rights, no? Yeah, right!!! Tell that @!$%# to someone else.

Tiredofthecrap: my sentiments, exactly. Can anyone tell me which other country is an "Islamic Democracy"?

A society based upon religious law cannot be said to be - and will not become - a democracy. Democracy requires rational flexibility; religious law is rigid and static.

The photos which accompany this article show people responding ecstatically to the voting results. So not even the photos represent the 'other' 50% of Egyptian voters. Where are the photos of the 'other' 50%?

I predict that many of today's ecstatic revelers will soon become Egypt's haters and avengers. And I further predict that today's election results have set the stage for future turmoil, as well as for the next Egyptian revolution.

Momus,

First of all, Thank You for Your service, now, as to Your concern about a theocracy,I see little danger of that in the United States, but Government dominated by a "religion", is a real threat, because a "religion" does not require the belief in a diety, all that is required is a system of beliefs which are either traditionally or institutionally defined and holds the promise of a future ideal existence if those beliefs are strictly adhered to and from which no deviance is tolerated,the tenets of Communism or the political correctness of the left for example, those are real threats.

I'd like to ask Momus what he thinks about China--they force women who are having over 1 child to abort. Does that sound better to you than restricting abortion? You say,

If the government can FORCE a woman to keep a child she doesn't want, then that same government can FORCE a woman to do just about anything they deem fit.

I don't think I've ever heard anyone say women have to keep a child just because they choose not to abort. Adoption is an option here. No so in many other countries. Ever wonder why all the adopted children from China who are now in this country are girls? Because under their 1-child policy, most people want a son who will take care of them in their old age. No one wants to adopt a girl in China.

Momus:

I'm not Israeli; I'm Jewish. I've only been to Israel once in my life and am in no way a citizen of Israel. It's a common form of discrimination to think that all Jews are from Israel or are associated with it (it's not a big deal, I don't care. Just I don't think you're as 'wordly' as you claim to be). That being said, I'm very confused regarding your statement about women in Israel...How exactly are they discriminated against?

And yes, I can name the most populous Muslim country in the world. I've been there before - my grandparents were born there. Unfortunately, it doesn't show up in the news much b/c there's little oil to be mined there. The entire Islamic world is one giant s***hole which no one would care about if they didn't have oil.

You seem to have missed my entire point btw. I'm not arguing that abortion is wrong or that denying it is against the constitution. My point is that you comparing the American right to the Muslim Brotherhood is incredibly idiotic and short-sighted because you can count on your hand the issues that are driven by the Right's religious beliefs (abortion, gay marriage....). And even those issues are not massive issues that affect all Americans..honestly, they are small issues, just people have strong beliefs about them which is why they are such hot topics.

When you compare the American right to the Muslim Brotherhood, it really makes me question your intelligence. That or your 'word-liness', as you claim to have been overseas for 12 years and have seen many cultures.

People in Islamic countries are suject to constant persecution and discrimination. Honestly, to be a woman in Afghanistan is terrible. I know someone who has worked in Saudi Arabia as a doctor, and she recounts horrible stories about how women are treated there.

You, however, in America, can do whatever the hell you like. You can even get an abortion if you want. In a few years, you will be able to marry someone of the same sex. ANyways, gays are awarded many of the taxation and legal benefits that straight couples receive. They just aren't awarded the legal title of marriage.

Most importantly, you can say whatever the hell you like. Even the nonsense that you are spouting now - you won't get arrested for that. There is literally no comparison between anything that is American and Egyptian or Iranian or any other Islamic country.

Momcat....I DON'T CARE. I don't live in China. My only concern is for the laws of this country. That's it! I can care less about what other governments do! If the people want change, it is up to them to promote that change. For the life of me I just don't understand what it is you people don't understand about that basic concept. None of you would like any other country in the world telling us what to do, so what the hell makes you think the people, or governments in those countries want you or our government telling them what to do? Especially when we have a @!$%# load of problems right here in our own backyard! And I certainly don't need you to give me a lesson on China. Have you ever been to China? Have you ever spent more than a 2 week vacation outside of your quaint little suburban neighborhood on an overseas trip? I don't tell you how to run your household and don't try to tell me how to run mine. How's that for basic common sense? Clean up your own damn mess and then come talk to me!

JD....Rick Santorum. That's all I'm going to say about that!

Islamic republics in the world: Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan, Mauritania - all places rife with corruption, slavery, mutilation of women, violence, and dictatorship with election fraud. Yes, quite a failed concept and nonsensical such as calling North Korea with its official title, 'Democratic People's Republic of Korea'. There are republics with Islamist leanings such as Indonesia, Turkey, Malaysia, which might still have some problems with liberty such as freedom of speech and military influence but far better appointed to be established as legitimate democratic states. So they're not all bad, the key here being 'secular'.

N...I didn't say you were from Israel, nor did I imply you were from Israel. I gathered you from the US from when you said something of the nature of not wanting to bring Holland's problems over here, whatever that means. If you think being a Jew in this country gives you some type of protection to be free from discrimination, then I feel sorry for you, because you have your head buried in the sand. Look, the way I see it, you're the one on here complaining about what's going on in another country. I'm sitting here saying, I don't care what the people in that country decide. They voted for the Muslim Brotherhood and if that brings them to Sharia Law, what the hell do I care. I don't live there, nor do I plan on going back to visit.

Look, I can sit here and argue my point of view until I'm blue in the face, but you won't get it. I know that and you do to. You'll never see my point of view, because we haven't walked the same path in life, but try this on for size: Which party is trying to suppress the vote in several states? Which party is trying to eliminate a Constitutional right, yet they always want to talk about upholding the Constitution? Which party is always talking about eliminating Big Government, yet they always want to play Big Brother? The Republican Party might as well be called the Evangelical Brotherhood.

The conservative movement that is takeing over the republican party is for smaller goverment and less spending, for that we are called monsterus for wanting dirty air, and dirty water, or for wanting small kids or old people to die pick your argument. But then when it comes to Islam because the left dosen't want to discuss the fact that they were in bed with the people who over threw Mubarick the republcians want to create a theocracy.

Sorry limited goverment theocracy is another oxymoron and has soon has people like Momus realize it the sooner he can actually have a real debate rather then trolling.

N, "The only 'theocratic' ideals being touted by Republicans that can possibly affect your life are the issues of abortion and gay marriage."

The ONLY ideals????????? My head is spinning with the anti-American sentiments in your statement. We do not, have not, and should not deny the rights of anyone for religious reasons. "Only" abortion and gay marriage. Give me a break.

You also say, "I cannot for the life of me understand liberals who are so against the Right's ideals....". First, it is our right as Americans to disagree with you. Second, when the Right's ideals (i.e., religious ideals) infringe on the rights of those of us with different views, then you had better believe we are against them.

Heard of Turkey?

This dude had 2 kids born in the USA and he worked for NASA. Hopefully, he appreciates what freedom means.

This is sad how you people talk about Israel being persecuted but I'm a Muslim and I have to go through everything in America. America is the real corrupt nation, if I cannot go to a Mosque in America without everyone claimed we're terrorists than I guess America cannot tolerate others. However, I do believe in Israel and I have no issue with the Israeli people, it is however the government that is corrupt. The misconception is that Palestine is filled with terrorists and is slaughtering innocent Israeli children, that's wrong. There is Palestinian terrorism, we cannot deny that, but there has been more murders of Palestinian children than Israeli children. There actually was an article that said Israeli troops murdered a Palestinian boy in cold blood then proceeded to harvest his organs for transplants for Israeli people. Since September 29th 2000, 1,096 Israelis were killed by Palestinian violence. While roughly 6,568 Palestinians were murdered by Israeli violence. I say roughly because these are just the documented murders. Not to mention the massacres of hundreds of villages by Israeli troops and Prime Ministers such as Menachem Begin (who was part of a zionist TERRORIST group) praising the massacres. Also, what is going on in the Gaza Strip and the horrible living conditions Palestinian children must go through...who is the real victim? Israel is also one of the few Middle Eastern nations that have nuclear weaponry as well as a formidable military thanks to the U.S.. If anything the Palestinian-Israeli conflict could be somewhat like the White settlers to Native Americans. In conclusion, I am not saying Israel shouldn't have a nation I am all for it but if Israel does not stop its violence against Palestine, the Palestinians will cease to exist. Their land as well as their culture was stripped from them. Everything once Palestinian has been given Hebrew names from mountains to rivers. There is nothing left of the Palestinians who are now foreigners to their own land. So to everyone who believes Israel is the victim should remember that the Palestinians are only fighting because they have nothing left.

Peace to Israel and Palestine.

Momus2009 - What I do care about is the freedoms of the men and women in this country to choose what is in their best interest, regardless of their party or religious affiliation.

NOT. You were previously told about President Obama's January 21, 2009 Patriot Acts (Plural) that eliminated many US Citizen's Rights of the US Constitutional and Bill of Rights.

President Obama shown during a staged News Media Event on January 22, 2009 signing into US Laws his Patriot Acts (Plural), 3:38 minutes of 11:55 minutes:

Naomi Wolf: 'Obama can lock any US citizen up without trial'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLSeD19m3UE

Let's talk about Indefinite Detentions in accordance with President Obama's December 2011 NDAA.

And don't give the lame excuse that anyone else did something before unless you are saying that you elected (hire) President Obama as a do nothing based on popular emotive opinion. Or even the lamer excuse of "obstructionists" as that is a non issue based on the numbers of President Obama's Presidential Executive Orders, Presidential Memorandums, etc. mostly used AGAINST US Citizen's Interests:

Presidential Actions

http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions

Every time something was coming up, I kept warning all of you to say no by contacting US Congress and the White House at, and what happened you did NOTHING, so now you get NOTHING (loss of US Citizen's Rights):

Contact US Congress (including all Committees):

http://www.contactingthecongress.org/

Contact the White House:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/submit-questions-and-comments

Ahmed A.,

Before even talking about Palestine, Gaza, etc. how about this go research Amin Al Husseini, 1933 "Islamic World's" Alliance with Chancellor Hitler, the Fundamentalist Islamic Pan Arabic Plan, the original charter for the Fundamentalist Islamic Arab League of Nations, the Fundamentalist Islamic Muslim Brotherhood, original inhabitants of Palestine force out by armed force and replaced with the Arab "undesirables" from Egypt, Jordan, etc. (didn't you ever wonder why at Jordan the Palestinian Refugees are held like prisoners in Palestinian Refugee Camps instead of being allowed to mix with the local Jordanian population, same with other Nation's Palestinian Refugee Camps), Amin Al Husseini's Syrian Plan, the "Islamic World's" written agreement to the German (NAZI) "Final Solution to the Jewish Problem". The Result of the above being the current Fundamentalist Islamic Beliefs (Amin Al Husseini made sure this would continue, with his Mandatory School Curriculum at Islamic Nations as still Mandatory today).

You can attempt to make "Politically Correct", erase or rewrite History like Chancellor Hitler did with his Book Burnings; however History is recorded Worldwide, and now a days permanently on the Internet.

Jimespa marriage is not a right under the consution of the USA, it can be made by states under the 10th admenment but it is nowhere mention in the consitution, neither is marriage. Overturning Row VS Wade would not outlaw abortions but give it to the states to decide, same thing with gay marriage.

Tommy, you are correct that "marriage" is not a right under the federal constitution and that no federal court has ruled on the constitutionality of gay marriage. However, federal courts have ruled that DOMA violates the federal constitution in that it the federal government cannot deprive same-sex marriages that are allowed at the State level (and that the ruling doesn't force States to allow gay marriage). So, I agree with you that gay marriage is currently a State's issue, however, with huge federal implications and federal constitutional issues. (Interestingly, however, is a federal ruling that says California's Proposition 8 is unconstitutional - the Supreme Court will have to identify the federal constitutionality of same-sex marriage)

Personally I am a states right kind of guy I don't care if Texas bans those things, while California fully embraces them. Just has long neither state has to bail each other out because of there decesions.

good job charles

Charles the H.

You seem to have a deep knowledge of the Muslims Brotherhoood and its members dating back to 1950s. You are criticizing them of what we as Americans are critical. We don't like their culture, society, and their style of government. We want American democracy all over the world, middle-east, Africa and even if we could in China. Is American democracy a panacea for all people? With the current tug of war between Democrats and Republicans, the Congress and Senate, American democracy is not an example we should be pulling out. Blaming Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood's teaching and its leaders for American foreign policy disaster is completely misguided.

Osama Bin Laden was an American creation and we should credit the State Department and our beloved CIA. And also, think what US did with Murak for last 40 years to keep him in power spuppressing all popular movements!

Charles,

With all of that you typed, the only thing I gathered from that was, you seem to be worried about the rise of Muslims that are indignant to the way western governments think they should behave. What a novel concept! Your views are no better than "theirs" in retrospect.

@Momus2009.......a practising Muslim extremist are you?

Since the early 1950's, America has gone to the moon, mars, sent satallites to the outer reaches of the solar system. They've shown the Muslims how to mine oil and built the infrastracture to acquire wealth from it. They've built electric grids, highrise technology, communications technology, computers, internet, etc...etc...etc...

And also, we can't even reach space now; the Russians have to give us rides to our own space station. Between the national deficit and personal debt, each American owes more money than any citizen of any other country.

Perhaps, instead of lecturing other people, we should rather get our own house in order?

The Egyptians managed to elect a leader democratically. Kudos to them. Welcome to democracy. Let's hope that their own self-interest guides them to building Egypt instead of suppressing portions of their own minorities.

On this board, there seem to be a bunch of people who seem unable to think for themselves. Since they have very narrow agendas (i.e. suppression of freedom in the US), they think that everyone everywhere must have the same narrow agendas. I am sure there are some people in Egypt who are interested in suppressing women and beating up minorities, but it is also sure that most people in Egypt just want a chance at life, liberty and pursuit of their own happiness.

We're headed down the drain with them too I'm afraid.

Charles: theocracy in Egypt or anywhere else has the same effect. You think electing Romney would be any different. People who hang onto their Korans or Bibles do not produce anything worthwhile and help no one but themselves. Although Mitt is not a Christian but he will be a tool in the hands of those who are propping him up. He will make the US a tool in the hands of Israel. He said he is not for public education nor the affordable healthcare nor EPA nor control on the banks and wall street nor does he has a solution for illegal immigrants, etc.

By the way Turkey is an theodemocracy - and seems to be doing just fine.

Anyway, religion is man-made BS - no matter what the religion. The Patriarch of ME religions got his maid pregnant and then by orders from his wife took the maid and her new born son to the middle of the dessert to die. So the patriarch of the three ME faiths is a rapist, attempted murderer and a person with no character that he will give in to his wife's jealousy to commit murder. You see the problem is that we are asked to take religion on faith and never to question anything that comes with that faith. Mohammed based on his actions can be labelled as a mass murderer, a womanizer, a rapist, a thief and a pedophile and yet a billion people believe in him and believe that the Koran was dictated to him by God not different from what the Mormons faith in Joseph Smith or the Jews in Abraham, etc.

Charles is correct folks. And the Arab Spring is etnically cleansing their minorities as we speak. try being a christian in the middle east right now. And when does it stop, when all people are muslim as these people want to happen. You can vote, but it better be for sharia law and an iman who will enforce it.

Arab Spring indeed, well spring is over and the crop is coming in, it looks like thistle for dinner.

Another very good post.

The bigger criminals are the Sunni Saudis, Kuwaiti, UAE and other Arab League oil rich rulers.

Net results of Saudi, Kuwait, UAE, oil companies and their lobbyists directed 1991 and 2003 Iraqi wars are

WINNERS

1. Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE and other rich ME sharks became richer by manipulating oil prices too high.

2. Oil companies and their lobbyists also benefitted. Oil prices, which were hardly $30 a barrel before 1991, shot up to $140 a barrel.

3. Since 2003, future traders, rating agencies, Wall Street and oil companies and their lobbyists transferred five trillion dollars from oil importing countries to oil exporting nations. This gave PIIGS.

4. Rich Sunni ME sharks (Saudi Arabia in particular) funded Salaffi and Wahhabi mosques and Islamic radicals and terrorists all over the world. These Sunni Islamic radicals and terrorists are rampaging all over the world. World’s 80 percent of problems are due to them.

Before Isalmic brotherhood, Sunni Saudi Wahhabi have been spreading their wings all over with their extremist versions of Islam.

High oil prices including the current Iran dramas like Iraqi ones are giving windfall profits for these Sunni Saudi, UAE, Kuwaiti and gangs for spreading their extremist versions of Islam all over the world.

In Egypt, Nigeria and many places Salaffis and Wahhabis are behind the scene players.

Pakis are providing foot soldiers to them.

How many mosques were there in the US three decades before and how many are there right in the US?

@AreYouBuyingThis.....Nope, but I am a veteran who served this country for damn near all of his adult life! I'm just not afraid of the boogie-man like a lot of you seem to be! It's really easy to sit back in the comforts of your own home and type your opinion about something, but unless you've been there and seen it first hand, you'll never know what it's like, and I certainly don't care what you hear second hand. One thing I've learned from my travels around the world is, people are people and no matter where you go, there are @!$%#s and good people in every culture. To insult all Muslims is no better than some in the Muslim community lumping all Americans in the same mold.

Charles, history is just that: HISTORY. God has just given Islam the gift of democracy. Attitudes change once someone feels empowered by a never before experienced love and beauty.

To the detractors of this post, I ask you the following questions:

1. Where would you rather live - a Muslim theocracy in the middle east (or elsewhere)?

2. Name some contributions to human civilization that have come from the Muslim world in the last few centuries.

And don't think some of us are giving the West and our 'leaders' a free ride either. Regardless of 'religion' or what hallucinating huckster that came out of the desert or the trees you believe, the bottom line consists of money and power.

Every leader, everywhere is exploiting their 'people', whether it be in the name of religion or not.

And Momus has some excellent points. There's enough good and bad to go around for everyone; the media has become quite adept at spreading one of those around.

Charles the Hammerhead:

I hope you realize that today's "Egyptian people" are not the same "Egyptian people" who built Egypt into "the greatest civilization on Earth". Today's Egyptian populace is neither of the same origin, the same culture, nor even the same race as the ancient Egyptians who reigned during the pyramid eras.

@Charles the Hammerhead--that was a good synopsis of the history--thanks.

I have a question for you--do you know if Sayyid was the "Arab Leader" who supposedly met with Adolf Hitler (when Hitler wasn't tied up invading Poland and France)? I've seen some pictures of a meeting between Hitler and this other person posted recently that identified the person as an "Arab Leader"--no more. Thanks.

Momus not only do you compare relegious conservatvies with the muslim bortherhood you then use poltically correct moral releatvisim whensome one makes a legitmate argument backed up with facts about the history of two cultures. In the last several decades Americans have gone on to debate ways to make minorities and women free in society, we have invented things like the internet and have created wealth for our country. We have these debates because we are a free country that is free to do so and have technlogy and way to where we have time to judge in those debates.

Compare to what these fundmentalist wabists want which is a complete destrcution of music and culture. Complete degradation of women, and even talk about how it is ok to enslave enemies of your relegion I would put our country ahead of theres.

Momum not only does the term oxymoron escape your arguments but I would put the title moronic on them has well.

i agree with momus that the important thing is that its none of our business to force other countries to do what we want. we can reason with them, sign treaties with them, exchange scholars with them, but we must stop trying to force our will on them. not only is it immoral- IT DOESNT WORK AND IT NEVER WILL! i consider myself a progressive, but i appreciate the way ron paul sticks to his guns on foreign policy. most of the problems we have in the world today are directly caused by us. we are not the innocents we pretend to be. reagan created the taliban that spawned al queda. the us overthrow of irans democratically elected leader and our installation of the shaw led directly to the islamic revolution. what gives the ayatola power, what feeds islamic terror, and props up dictators all over the world is our constant meddling, and invasions, and attacks, and embargos. can you imagine what rush would say if china announced that she was going to stop the us from exporting produce, or computers, or airliners? but we do that constantly. we have been embargoing cuba for half a century! we spend 10 times more on defense than anyone, and we have no security. just live and let live. and obviously, as man progresses, he becomes more secular. you can believe in any faith you want, just dont try to force me to obey your precepts. ironically, what was so great about our constitution was getting religion out of government. truly a rare and fantastic alignment of events and age of enlightenment philosophy which the religious right have been trying to subvert since the very beginning. yeah, things are better here than in egypt, but look where we started. rich farmland, oil, gold, coal, water- and by 1930, the same people who gave you the great recession of 2008 had run us into the ground. it took reagan and his followers only 30 years to ruin the country again by systematically removing every safety device erected to stop them. thanks to a fascist supreme court and citizens united, its doubtful anything like the new deal will ever save us again. i fear the default economic system for this world is third world type serfs and warlords, and thats where were headed. yeah, governor walker is right, you dont see any unions in banana republics, or shantytown slums. ive been in asian third world countries in the military, and i dont know why the greedy rich want to live like that- what made the us great was the relative income equality.

I've seen some pictures of a meeting between Hitler and this other person posted recently that identified the person as an "Arab Leader"

That would be the Mufti of Jerusalem, Amin al-Husseini,Yasser Arafat's uncle

http://www.mrctv.org/videos/turban-and-swastika-0

kinda missed something there didnt ya?

Islamist Mohammed Morsi, leader of the Muslim Brotherhood party,

Doesn't matter you moron. With him winning the election egypt will turn back time to the stoneage and be at war with Israel again. If the Egyptian military doesn't kill him first. Your country will become like iran and ALL of you will become slaves to the ayatolla's.

Islamist Mohammed Morsi

too bad for the women.

Hope you are right. Feel the same way. He says we will honor all groups and has resigned from the Muslim Brotherhood. We can hope for better for all the Egyptian people and that they will respect the rights of women. With his education here in the USA and some of his children having US citizenship, we can hope things will not regress.

Oh, and "honor" killings. Don't you have to have honor to pull that off?? No, I guess not.

Who lost Egypt- gone will be the freedoms for women,coptics,tourists,liberals. No wonder Obama's National Sec. Chief McDonough gave the heads-up to Terror Member Eddin in the White House- even dep.Secr. of State Burns gave the heads-up.-they referred to AQ Eddin even to Dept. of Justice to plead the case of freeing Blind Sheikh Rahman from US fed.jail to MB custody to serve his term in Egypt. Questions this fall's Presidential elections will be- who lost Egytpt?= who took away women's and minorities' rights away? How on earth can the Obama adm. so blatantly interfere in Egyptian elections as they did - promoting with Carter Center only the Muslim Brotherhood? Not democracy. Is Obama adm. ready to offer no-fly zones to Egypt Copts? People around the world will only have pictures of the Pyramids,Sphinxes and the Nile.

I wish well to Egypt. I hope under true Islamic rule they prosper and live a good life that will make all of us jealous. I hope they create an economic miracle that will bring jobs, education, healthcare to their people and they can live in peace and be debt free.

Oh wait a minute, why would the rulers of this world allow that? Isn't every human born to borrow at interest and become a slave of money changers? Isn't that the modern meaning of life on earth?

Were there any non-muslims in the race? No. I didn't think so. A Lutheran wouldn't do well in what was described only yesterday as a "muslim democracy." Yeah...that's what it will be... A democracy. They will be executing women for not wearing a bag in a month.

Samuel, you can't point to ONE example if islam that prospers and provides a good life for anyone but the big shots. Not one. The one force that wishes to enslave the world is Islam.

With these guys,You might want to consider a little caution also........

Clellan,

Only a person like the Commandant in, "In The Penal Colony" by Franz Kafka could come up with a comment/wish like that.

Bare your back. Strap yourself in and enjoy the ride....

Ixor: It's gonna' be fun. can't wait for it to begin.

It's gonna' be fun.

Please, what will be fun about it?

Well then Clellen enjoy the read before you ride.

We get the same thing, doesn't matter who our leader is, we just have a little "coin" and are very distracted....