And if they didn't shut down the airport and the perps got away you would have bitched about that as well.

Mowdy, WTF are you ramblin about? Put the crack pipe down and grow a brain.

It is Mexico that the goper's wish to immolate to a T.

I hope you mean "emulate."

Unbelievable! I've been to Mexico twice in the last 5 years, I'm done! Such a damn shame, everyone down there is so nice, but the crime and violence is off the charts! It starts as soon as you land, you try walking through the damn airport to your ride waiting for you, and all the guys working there with their stupid badges start swarming around you like flies on pooh. They'll straight up tell you your ride left (they are lying through their teeth), and intimidate the hell outta you until you step aside and listen to all the crap they want to sell you. Then you tell the resort how crazy the airport is and what they do to you and their eyes pop out of their heads in disbelief. They have NO idea what goes on at their own airports. They don't ever fly anywhere. When will this stupid drug violence end, the 12th of never?!

Since when did any laws get enacted by the corporations?

This is why they can never get a handle on the drug trafficking problem in Mexico, the cops that are supposed to stopping it are either running the operations themselves or are being paid to provide security for them by the cartels. The police ho do try and put a stop to the cartels find themselves out gunned and sold out by their fellow officers. It is hard to make a drug bust when our fellow officers are on the take and tipping off the cartels about when and where you are coming after them. Of course this is not just limited to Mexico, it happens here in the US as well, just not quite so frequently. When I was living in New Orleans years ago they broke up the largest drug ring in the city which it turned out was being run by five New Orleans police officers.

Mexico City has seen relatively low murder rates compared to the rest of the country, where drug violence has killed around 55,000

Where is the rage of Congress and the politicians about this? Where are with our "human rights" rhetoric that we preach in China?

This proves that politicians are just looking for "human rights" where there is oil, or a profit, or something be made for political advancement.

JaneEco

And the common many, many Mexicans who gladly take a dollar to behead, rape, mutilate their fellow Mexicans and sell drugs to Americans, innocent children in American have their lives ruined by the drugs the Mexicans sell while killing their own children to make the dollar.

Does anyone really believe this behavior would stop with legalization and taxing. Not hardly. The black market system is already in place. The damage drugs do to a society is but one issue. These incidents are reminiscent of the gang wars of the 20's and 30's in Chicago. Legalization would merely rationalize government corruption in the involvement.

Well Ken I certainly believe legalization would fix it because that is what is working elsewhere. I tend to believe what I see and what works not what someone else tells me to believe. Sorry but yeah it will work.

If for any reason you don't think legalizing and regulating drugs would fix the illegal drug market problem then read about the alcohol prohibition of the 20's. Pretty much when they decided to make alcohol illegal it was the most violent decade or so in the 20th century. Then when the government realized after many years of violence that it was a dumb decision they reversed it. So, we now have the current laws in place regulating alcohol. How many murders, shootings, and deaths do we have from the illegal alcohol market now? Point made.

Ken-848629

These incidents are reminiscent of the gang wars of the 20's and 30's in Chicago. Legalization would merely rationalize government corruption in the involvement.

You provided the rational and proof to your own question.

Not all of us want ALL drugs legalized. However making certain drugs, specifically MJ, a controlled substance, along the lines of alcohol and tobacco, would free up resources to address the larger issues.

Government is more likely to be corrupted by keeping all drugs illegal.

Granted legalization won't solve things overnight but it would work in short order. Illicit drugs are a multi BILLION dollar industry annually. Legalization would have a multiplier effect as it would reduce our costs on the penal side of things as well as bring the underground economy above board. At one time MJ was estimated to be the number one crop at more than wheat and corn combined.

This is a SHOCK! I wasn't aware there were any people left in Mexico......

This has gotta be bad for tourism in Mexico... don't think I'll be booking a trip anytime soon although there are many places I would otherwise like to see in Mexico. I hope the government (Mexican, not ours) will realize that they need to step up to the plate a bit more to eradicate the gangs. Otherwise, Mexico is going to completely go down the crapper into economic oblivion really soon.

In the words of Carlos Mencia, what a bunch of "Dee Dee Dee's"

I am all for legalization of certain drugs, not all. Sweet Mother of Jesus, we would have cities of zombies eating peoples faces off.

Wonder where old Taco Bender Mitt stands on this !!!!!!!!!!!!

Legalizing pot isn't going to do jack sh!t. You don't need to go to Meh-kee-ko to buy it. People would still break the law and bootleg it just so they wouldn't have to pay the taxes on it.

Besides, the real money is in cocaine, heroin and meth and I don't see anybody ready to legalize that sh!t anytime soon.

Right on JaneEco. All you folks out there smoking or snorting mexican dope have blood on your hands. Enjoy your highs while you are subsidising this heinous business.

Agreed John 2442193 but some of it would get taxed. Taxes collected that our elected officials could waste on some other pet project or failed federal program.

The argument for legalizing drugs is a valid one, and the excuses people make up for denying that are interesting at the least, but never factual. If the price of the drug of your choice (Cigs, booze, pot, etc.) is not being pressured by law enforcement activities, then the product becomes like any other commodity, and the free market will determine the pricing and availablity. Most likely, any bootlegging will be similar to cigarettes, with sales at below market rates to cheat the government out of their taxes. For the average citizen, this would be more than they want to deal with, and they'll just buy it legally.

For whatever reason, people want to get messed up occasionally, and it happens all over the world. You can't legislate something so widespread, and to be honest, I have no idea why we try so hard. In states where Medical MJ is legal, the prices for product have dropped significantly, as the quality has improved, and life has gotten easier for those who want to get high without the MAN messing with them. The Mexican drug cartels would have little to no avenue to support their business, and they would turn to something else, like kidnapping and extortion, but at least it would be in Mexico.

the taxes on legalized pot wouldn't amount to much....does anyone think that legal MJ would sell for $400 an ounce? the price drop alone would kill illegal trade.

To Jon and John,

You guys are crazy, lol. Come on man. Seriously? How many people are smuggling alcohol and cigarettes? Maybe Joey and Suzy who bought a pack of smokes and a six pack because it was cheaper in the next border state. They heavily promote that here in NH. "Come to tax free NH and buy your crap". Are there beheadings and shoot outs? When someone is being loud and beligerent at a ball game or down the street is it the potheads? What problem has a pothead caused in your neck of the woods? You guys have no clue man. It sucks that people like you and that think like you have any influence on our society. We will never evolve and move forward.

they can't legalize these drugs cause then would not be able to fund their own private wars

How long do you think it will take for people to listen to what they are told they can't ingest? The demand will never go away. People have been told for over 50 yrs that "hey, if you keep smoking cigarettes then you will certainly die from it". Guess what? People are still smoking. So let me know when you think you can control what people ingest. It is and always will be forever impossible! Dream on my ignorant caveman friends.

And this is probably some gun shop owner in Texas or Arizona's fault.

We have a failed state next door but we keep spending billions of dollars a month chasing bearded Muslims in faraway places... unbelievable stupidity...

An interesting concept I read in a sci-fi book once- legalize all drugs, but include a paralytic in the formula. That way, people can mess themselves up, but can't affect anyone else while under the influence. Could be something to look into for the harder kinds.

Why is it that the bad guys in Mexico are almost always more competent than the good guys in Mexico?

does holder get more money every time one of his guns gets used?

Travelers run for cover as cops kill cops at Mexico City airport

I read stories like these and then think back to the Supreme Court's decision on the Arizona immigration law and the administrations reaction to it and I'm starting to think that Obama is either on the payroll of the Mexican drug cartels or he truly wants to turn the US into its neighbor to the South. I can think of no other explanations.

the taxes on legalized pot wouldn't amount to much....does anyone think that legal MJ would sell for $400 an ounce? the price drop alone would kill illegal trade.

This is probably true, however, cutting the cost of incarcerating a million people and of the cat and mouse game over pot would put a nice dent in the spending.

So you might not get a winfall from the taxes but you would in budget cuts. And, it would likely create a few entrepreneurs and "job creators" in the process.

The fallacy here is that the current system is preventing anyone that wants to get from doing it. There is more weed and coke out there than there was before Nixon started this idiotic war on drugs.

God help us all...I can't believe how many of you believe the UN is the root of all evil (it's been unable to pass or enforce much of anything against the big oil that's killing us all) and that legalization won't work (when the violence level in countries where most drugs ARE legal is close to nil).

What's worse, not one mention of the WTO- which is really the only "liberal" group you should be worried about- because, just like Republicans, they claim as their mandate the liberalization of trade.

Let me translate that for you: you will have exactly what the average person on this planet has in twenty years if they get their way.

That average will also be lower than it is right now, because the folks at the top of the economic food chain plan to remove and concentrate most wealth for their own benefit while starving the rest of us down to a "sustainable populace".

Your lack of vigilance has put you firmly under the thumb of a multinational corporatocracy which knows no borders, accepts no regulation, and owns your government courtesy of the Citizens United ruling by a SCOTUS which was packed (by the good ol' Bush boys) chock full of sock puppets no less corrupt than Mexican drug lords.

We're already enjoying the bitter fruit of your idiocy- American prosperity is never returning because the folks you think you elected don't want your economy to recover- they're doing great, you're paying for it, and that's the way they like it..

We're past the tipping point, and it's likely to stay this way until enough fools starve to allow the rest to restore sanity.

Fools won't survive without the edifice of civilization they just destroyed- and I pity them- but they've created circumstances which will wipe them out while their smarter peers endure.

DRUGS NEVER HURT NOBODY BUT THOSE WHO TOOKEM!

It is the fault of the United States for everything!

Did I get it?

You know what, there's a demand. And until the demand stops, like JaneEco basically states, you can expect a lot more blood.

Its kind of how everybody here likes to buy gas cheap, as long as they don't have to see the actual people getting killed over it.

"That'll be one joint, a bag of heroine, 8 gallons of gas paid with cash. Take the rest of your payment in pints of blood from someone else, please."

I'll say one thing. Everyone has an opinion. Some sensible, some weird, a few agreeable with others but everyone has an opinion. Gotta love it.

Now if we could just keep politics out of every conversation that doesn't warrant it.

I agree 'davefrom'. The hell with the UN(less). Kick them out of US. Just another BS entity to make us a one world gov't like obummer and hit puppeteer soros want.

Well, let's let them ALL into our country, that'll solve the problem.

Cops killing cops in a Mexico City's crowded airport (a place claimed to be one of the safest places), mutilated corpses found, severed heads, etc. Just another routine day in Mexico.

Mexico needs to put back the death penalty, martial law enforced by the army, and summary trials and executions against drug dealers and corrupt officials working with the drug lords. After a couple of thousands shot dead by firing squad their drug problem will drop to a low level.

@Ken-848629

Drugs aren't legal in Mexico either, doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize if you create a new source the old source dries up or goes somewhere else. If there's no money in trafficking drugs across the border, it would stop. Basic Business 101.

Yeah, kick out the UN and lose our largest source of intelligence gathering.

mother's and dave, did you miss the part where the cops were shooting at EACH OTHER, because it was THE POLICE OFFICERS who were suspected of trafficing? It was the police themselves who were the suspects...

This would be the same Mexico, where the officials there are trying to convince us all that the US is just being over-cautious in giving people advisories against travel to, and would like us all to go vacation down there on account that the tourist spots are safe. I didn't know that the air port constituted a non-tourist area. And given it's the law enforcement, and not gangs or trafficers (unless the police are the trafficers) who were shooting people up :o Actually, this incident sort of proves what some of the locals from Mexico have said before, wrt the Mexican police.

If this happened in the US, the officers involved would be be brought up on charges by internal affairs, and no doubt get suspended from the force while the investigation is on going... We wouldn't just dismiss a case of cops killing each other, while putting the public safety in jeapordy... Also, don't some units (I'm rather certain the FBI does) issue psych evaluations, to try to weed out some of the potentially unstable, before putting a badge and gun in their hands? Course the FBI has a lot more stringent standards then a lot of local dept's do, but I think state police also have more stringent testing also....

fbikerchick

What was that kid language where we said everything backwards so our parents didn't know what we were really saying? Don't remember but it seems the Obama supporters have adopted it as thier secret code.

"The gopers want to immulate Mexico"? That is the code for Obama loves Mexico, won't let us send any illegal entries back but gives them work visa to take the few jobs left away from Citizens and feels safe enough with that particular group that he lets his daughter go there on vacation without the parents. Oh, I see. I don't remember what we called that code but I can still decipher it.

We independent real Americans just want to put a wall up high enough and deep enough to control our own border and maybe send them Obama for a King next year.

Nice red Herring disappointed and ashamed. Don't let the facts hit you in the face.

Mexican Pot and cocaine are currently illegal to consume in the US so any consumption of these products subsidises the actions of the cartels that produce them. People who buy and consume these products might as well be cutting the heads off themselves.

Last time i checked bags of severed heads aren't showing up in NH because of your current tax policy on cigs and booze, both legal products by the way. Perhaps drug use has negatively affected the regions of your brain where logic is developed.

If and when these drugs become legal you might have a point but until then the only point you have is likely on your head. Whoop .... there it is!

These guys obviously do no know about "Code Blue", never snitch on your fellow officer......

Some one please tell me again...why are drugs illegal? Why do we let governments tell us what we are allowed to put in our own bodies? It should be soley our CHOICE and no one else's. If we do not have sovereignty over our own bodies, and what we do with them, then we are really just slaves.

So the Reich-wing CONservative Tea-Tagger Repugnicrats want the U.S.A. to remove itself from the United Nations. Ok, fine, the U.S.A. doesn't need to be a member of the U.N. -- but then when the U.S.A. NEEDS the U.N., the U.S.A. will be all by its lonesome and will have to fight all its wars all by itself.

How soon the Reich-wingers forget Korea, Vietnam, Iraq/Kuwait, Iraq, Afghanistan......... Yes, Virginia, those were/are ALL United Nations wars.

I don't see a problem here.

Caligula-1763025

Some one please tell me again...why are drugs illegal?

Because drugs actually ruin lives and wreck families. But I suppose you think that being so "high" that your head feels like it's full of helium is just fine and dandy -- while you "just happen" to be driving a 6+ plus TON vehicle down the road.

You want to use drugs? Go ahead, just make damn sure you do it where NOBODY ELSE will be killed just because YOU wanted to get "high".

Danny-2923627

These guys obviously do no know about "Code Blue", never snitch on your fellow officer......

You, Danny boy, are part of the problem. You think that it's ok for a cop to be a criminal -- and a criminal to be a cop. Hey, Danny boy, are YOU a cop on the take?

Airport spokesman Jorge Gomez told Milenio that aircraft departures and arrivals continued normally after the incident.

Some luggage may have been lost in the incident, but first class passengers were still able to have free drinks. At least they weren't stuck on the tarmac for 12 hours.

Shaking my head-2479300;

Hey, how about this code phrase, used by ALL career politicians no matter whether they are Reich-wing Tea-Tagger Repugnicrats or Limp-wrist Toe-Tugger Demoflops:

"I do not recall".

And the many cousins of that phrase, including "I have no recollection of that ever happening".

Yeah, even your Reich-wing Tea-Tagger Repugnicrat heroes use that -- and they use it a lot. It means "I actually do know, but I'm going to pretend that I don't know, so that I can continue to benefit from it and get away with doing something that may not be strictly illegal, but definitely is not ethical or moral".

I remember how the Teflon President -- Ronald Reagan, co-star of "Bedtime for Bonzo" -- used the phrase almost every week during the last two years of his reign.........

The hypocrisy of those who want to legalize drugs is how quickly they accuse those who don't agree with them of being a drug addict. While alcoholism and addiction to prescription drugs is growing in the US at just as an alarming rate as illegal drug use. What plays in Mexico doesn't necessarily stay in Mexico, and that Mexico has been a failed state all through the twentieth century is a matter of public record. Maybe SCOTUS should just open the southern border AND legalize drugs and we can all fail together.

All the more reason to secure our border NOW! ironic isn't it? Our President declares amnesty for millions of ILLEGALS. His administration is responsible for arming druglords now he is claiming executive privalege. His 13 year old daughter and 12 of her closest friends along with 25 SS bodygards spent spring break in Mexico on the tax payer's dime. The hits just keep on coming! It's good to be king!

And right after the SCOTUS takes a big chunk out of the Arizona bill (voted on and passed by the LEGAL US CITIZENS of Arizona) designed to protect the LEGAL US CITIZENS of Arizona from such atricities as these! What part of ILLEGAL alien is so hard to understand!

Here is one of the models for legalizing drugs

In southern California a gram of heroin costs between 40-80 dollars. If a pharmaceutical company were to make the same amount for sale it would cost that company about .35cents to produce. It could then be sold with a new clean syringe for $5.00. The profit is then broken up amongst the pharmaceutical company(say $1.40..+.35c). The place selling it($1.50+.25cents for the syringe), which could use the medical marijuana model for selling or a methadone maintenance model. .50cents goes to a fund for rehab, and the last $1.00 for taxes.

For those saying that the black market would contiune to sell it. There would be some small amounts of reselling, but why would the bulk of people buy something on the blackmarket that is so cheap they could easly get the $5dollars themself?

What a POS country...when will the idiotic populous start to do something anout it? Probably not for a long time since the money still flows from the illegals here back to there..number 1 source of income for a country...pathetic...Mexico is the drunk brother in law to the USA

Jon, you are a dumb azz. You are ignorant. I'm sorry to say it but it's true. I smoke pot. I purchase it all from local growers. I work full time, getting married this fall, I own a house, I own 2 vehicles, I pay taxes, and I donate to local charities. I am a proactive, intelligent, productive member of society.

So, what's the problem? Is it because it's illegal? So is speeding except, I smoke pot in the privacy of my own home and I'm not risking the lives of others. I'm sick of people like you that feel they have the right to tell me what I can ingest. Over the counter drugs are the scary ones. Have you read some of the side effects of some of these prescription drugs? It's like reading the list of symptoms from dangerous diseases. I have been around it all my life. I grew up around pot smokers. Most of my friends are too. Some of the best trust worthy people you would ever know.

Jon-998022

People who buy and consume these products might as well be cutting the heads off themselves.

People, like yourself, who support the continuation of a spectacularly failed and costly drug war are the ones with blood on their hands. It is because of the drug laws and prohibition we have all of the violence and blood shed and deaths associated with ILLEGAL drug trafficking. You suppose that if there was no demand, there wouldn't be a drug problem. Logically that is true. BUT, in the real world, drug use and demand will NEVER GO AWAY!!! Try facing reality and use your brain to come up with a solution that makes sense. Unless you are just insane and want to keep repeating the same failed actions with the same failed results (sound familiar?). Drug prohibition, like alcohol prohibition, has promoted organized crime and funneled billions to the drug cartels making them so powerful it is probably going to take an all out war to take them down to pre-drug war levels or eradicate them all together. It's the laws that do more damage than any drug use would cause.

Perhaps drug use has negatively affected the regions of your brain where logic is developed.

If and when these drugs become legal you might have a point but until then the only point you have is likely on your head. Whoop .... there it is!

I see in your response to the other poster you used condescension as a talking point. In your response to me try not to take that route otherwise I will just ignore you.

Agnon Mema:

Because drugs actually ruin lives and wreck families.

And the Drug War and Drug Prohibition doesn't?

I think it all comes down to a choice of what kind of world do we want to live in:

1. A world with drug use and problems with addiction and a Drug War.

-OR-

2. A world with drug use and problems with addiction.

I know which one I would chose: a world without a war in it.

all I will say about Mexico's police is if your a good cop you work in a world of crap and hell..good luck amigos ...

OneDirtyRat,

Thanks for sticking up for me like a big bro, lol. Great comment too!!

OneMore:

Maybe SCOTUS should just open the southern border AND legalize drugs and we can all fail together.

How would legalizing drugs equate failure? Other countries have taken this approach and none of the nightmare scenarios that many anti-legalizers predicted never became reality. If anything, if we continue on the same policies, which have failed miserably, we are certain to achieve nothing but failure.

disappointed and ashamed:

Anytime, bro.

I know Italy legalized heroin for awhile and wound up with 40k more addicts then they repealed and criminalized it again..they were trying to weaken the mafia over there by doing that..access to coke and pot might make a few more addicts but if you want to work and theirs a drug screening you will not do drugs..if you care about your life...

mowdy5gs

It is Mexico that the goper's wish to immolate to a T.

Immolate: to kill or destroy often by fire

Sounds like a plan to me.

Joseph:

I haven't heard or read about Italy's heroin program. I did read about the Swiss heroin program that had positive results. Maybe Italy went about it all wrong. I'll have to read up on it to learn the facts.

I would never advocate anyone to use hard drugs like heroin or meth. But, marijuana, on the other hand, should NEVER been made illegal.

access to coke and pot might make a few more addicts but if you want to work and theirs a drug screening you will not do drugs.

I know there are many people from all walks of life that do drugs and have jobs, some of them professional jobs. Drug testing doesn't really stop most people, except maybe poor people who don't have the resources to get around drug test. You'd be surprised how many pot smokers out there that are successful, tax paying, contributors to society.

.if you care about your life...

Oh, I care about my life. I also care about other people's lives and it infuriates me to no end to see the damage this useless drug war has wrecked upon the lives of our citizens and the lives of the Mexican people. Anyone who supports this war should be ashamed.

My oh my how the socialist/liberals get upset when we knock their President like they did with Bush. The fact of the matter is Eric Holder and Obama has added to the problem down there. Ask the President...wait he will just ask for executive privilege and not answer.

Corrupted cops killing other cops in broad daylight. Customs agents paying the price for the gov't seizing a ton a of coke. Has anyone gotten the clue yet that there is no level they won't stoop to?

.... and how much do you want to bet that Janet Napolitano will STILL deny that the cartel is a serious enough threat to secure the border???

This is probably true, however, cutting the cost of incarcerating a million people and of the cat and mouse game over pot would put a nice dent in the spending.

No, it's more like you'd get to smoke as much weed as you can get away with and not have to worry about getting busted, so let's cut the phony altruism bullsh!t. This is about your own self-indulgence.

So you might not get a winfall from the taxes but you would in budget cuts. And, it would likely create a few entrepreneurs and "job creators" in the process.

Once again, the real money (and violence) is over coke, heroin and meth. I'm more than happy to pay for incarcerating those people who would be out of control of left to their own devices if they were free to do whatever on the outside.

The fallacy here is that the current system is preventing anyone that wants to get from doing it. There is more weed and coke out there than there was before Nixon started this idiotic war on drugs.

The war on drugs began long before Tricky Dick and the 60s. You're going to have to convince Congress to repeal those laws. Good luck. lol...

Agnon Mema wrote: "Because drugs actually ruin lives and wreck families."

Well, the same could be said for most U.S. corporations...especially the "financial services" sector...

Because drugs actually ruin lives and wreck families.

So does alcohol and thats legal. Looks like your going to have to find a better excuse than that...

Don41331:

Once again, the real money (and violence) is over coke, heroin and meth.

Marijuana still remains the number one profit for the drug cartels. Estimates are between 60-80 percent of the total profit from illegal drug trafficking. All of the violence is associated with illegal drug trafficking.

The war on drugs began long before Tricky Dick and the 60s. You're going to have to convince Congress to repeal those laws. Good luck. lol...

Actually, drugs were illegalized back in the 30s but the Drug War was pushed by Nixon first, and by Reagan in the 80s.

The Drug War can't go on forever. Pot legalization is just around the corner (I give it 3 years for the Feds). It's not a matter of "if", it's a matter of "when".

American Citizen-1779594

LOL it's already $400 an oz. for certain strands..From what i see on t.v... :P

Legalizing drugs does not mean that the guy working next to you is out of his mind doped up. He wouldn't get the job any easier than a lush. If he controlled his use and didn't let it interfere with his association with other people or work, what's wrong? He comes in on his ass from the night before, he's out, and it's tough to get another job with that on the record. You think your daughter or son is going to hook up with a loser like that? Then it's your family that needs help.

Legalize, then let the fallout hit those that can't control their urges or adictions. All you that think a MJ user is a hard drug addict probably work with, go to church with, and generally associate with more potheads than straights and don't have a clue. A coke (not crack) user is close to the same level of associative functioning but has a higher probability of screwing up his life, about the same as an alcoholic. Horse, amphetimines, and designer drugs as far as I'm concerned, are lost causes and live in their own world. They don't interact with society and so are not generally going to intersect your life.

Legalize and save lives.

Momcat, they aren't much better than the National Enquirer. They usually try to add their spin on it too.

this is the kind of bs houndthepress.com will spank the media for.

"Travelers run for cover as cops kill cops at Mexico City airport"

Which part of the headline do you object to? Is that not what happened in a nutshell?

I have a question for y'all: why do you bother reading your news on this site when it obviously bothers you? Sounds to me like you may be happier getting your fair and balanced news elsewhere.

Momcat99

MSNBC can't help it thier official journalistic approach is to twist everything in thier non stop attempt to make Obama look better than he ever was or ever will be and less of a threat to our country than is really happening.

Nah, I see his point. Cops shoot dead cops, would litterally mean that the police were shooting at the corpses of cops who died already. We of course know they don't mean that, so didn't read the headline quite that literally, the first time... The direct meaning of the headline, without understanding it in a more reasonable manner, would actually seem a bit perposterious. Why would anyone spend there time shooting at cadabers?

All I can say is thank goodness Mexico has such strict gun laws, it has really helped stem the violence there. LOL

Well they tried but what good is that when Obamas cabinet is giving them all the weapons they need

yeah because no guns flowed over the border until obama came into office... Its disgusting how much disrespect this president has recieved and before anyone tries to bring up liberals and bush please point out a time where bush was rudely interrupted while giving a speech or had a govenor stick their finger in his face. I get it you dont like obama but he is the potus and that alone deserves respect.

And what the @!$%# does this story have to do with US political parties anyway? What, don't the trolls have anything else to do today? Fox News, please, reopen up the commenting section on your site so these idiots can all go circle jerk each other in their own delusional habitat.

"Cops shoot cops dead" maybe?

Mexican culture is a criminal culture. If nothing else, keep it south of the border.

And just think, the Supreme Court threw out 2 of the 3 provisions from SB1070 (the one they didn't throw out though was the main provision the White House wanted stopped). And this decision had a dissenting opinion offered, that the law, and the case goes to the heart of the issue with state rights in securing their own borders, along with issues of public safety (aka police powers).... AKA, the dissenting view, they've now denied the states the very purpose of having police powers, itself...

This level of violence is appauling, but what do you expect from Mexico? These are the people that lefties want to let into this country. Furthermore, all of you who think this is limited to Mexico, think again, there are buildings in Texas that have actually been hit with bullets from shot outs in Mexico. There are people in Arizona that have been kidnapped by mules for the drug cartels, people that had absolutely nothing to do with the drug trade.

FInally, for all of you who think drugs should be legal let me ask you-who controls it? Do you want the gov't that cannot deliver a piece of mail on time, or stop 17 year olds from drinking, or enforce their own immigration laws to be in charge? Who decides when you can take drugs? Would you like your doctor to be able to smoke a big, ol' blunt before he operates on you? Would you like your child's school bus driver to shot up a little black tar before they drive your kids around? How about an airline pilot blowing a couple of lines in the cockpit while you hurl through the air at 700 mph in a tin can.

Anyone that thinks drugs should be legal obviously knows nothing about drugs and is therefore not in any position to argue. Just because you watch intervention does not make you an expert and as for the arguement about alcohol, let me explain something...that is the ENTIRE reason drugs are NOT legal. Because history has shown that once something is legal, you can not turn around and decide to criminalize it without serious consequences.

M_F_B:

Mexican culture is a criminal culture. If nothing else, keep it south of the border

Stereotype much?

I do believe you've seen too many spaghetti westerns. Try to come back to reality. The Mexican culture IS NOT a criminal culture. There a lot of good things that come from their culture that we here in the U.S. enjoy.

It's the drug cartels that are the criminal element and stain a beautiful country with many peaceful beautiful people.

DEMAR:

This level of violence is appauling, but what do you expect from Mexico?

Way to stereotype an entire ethnic group. Hate much?

FInally, for all of you who think drugs should be legal let me ask you-who controls it?

Who controls tobacco? Who controls alcohol? I don't see any reason why the government could regulate private industry in the selling of certain drugs (hard drugs would need special consideration).

Who decides when you can take drugs?

I didn't realize this was an issue. Possibly you are creating problems where they don't exist?

Would you like your doctor to be able to smoke a big, ol' blunt before he operates on you? Would you like your child's school bus driver to shot up a little black tar before they drive your kids around? How about an airline pilot blowing a couple of lines in the cockpit while you hurl through the air at 700 mph in a tin can.

Again, you are touting nightmare scenarios that would not be the case with legalization. All of the above, as it is now, would be illegal. Legalizing drugs would NOT be a license to be high on the job. People who would break these laws would lose their jobs and/or be prosecuted.

Anyone that thinks drugs should be legal obviously knows nothing about drugs and is therefore not in any position to argue.

How is this obvious? Because you said it so? What makes you the expert on what other people should think?

...and as for the arguement about alcohol, let me explain something...that is the ENTIRE reason drugs are NOT legal.

Huh? There are many different reasons why drugs are illegal. Too many to post here without writing a book. But, let's see...

Because history has shown that once something is legal, you can not turn around and decide to criminalize it without serious consequences.

Um. Weren't all drugs legal at some point before they were made illegal? You argument doesn't make any sense. Care to expound?

Demar - While I can't speak for "lefties," I would think it's the people who are trying to escape the violence that they are ok with letting in, not the actual drug cartel members themselves.

I would also think that like tobacco, alchohol and firearms, drugs would be privatized and regulated by the government. Would things be perfect? Are they perfect with tobacco, alchohol and firearms?

If drugs were to be legalized, employers would still be able to regulate their use on the job. I don't show up to my job drunk so why would I think it would be ok to show up high? School bus drivers, surgeons, and airline pilots are not permitted to show up to work drunk so why would they be permitted to show up to work high? Would some people show up high? Probably. Do some people show up to work drunk? Probably. There are already rules in place for dealing with those situations.

I don't know why people think that if drugs were legal everyone would be drugged out of their minds like zombies. I don't do drugs because they're illegal - I don't do drugs because I need my mind to make money to live. If they were legal, I still would not do coke, heroin, meth, crack, mushrooms, etc. because I don't want to - I know the dangers of those drugs. If I could legally and safely get pot would I do it? Possibly while camping in the wilderness or while at home listening to Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon." But I have far too much to do to sit around high all the time. The same as I have far too much to do to sit around drunk all the time.

I will admit that the harder drugs cause a bit of a problem with the legalization theory just because people get so out of their minds on those types of drugs they can't really be functioning members of society. I do think it's time to try to come up with a different solution to the problem whatever that may be. The demand's not going away and the current solution does not appear to be working effectively.

Hank, if you are going to ask a person who wants to ban private ownership of guns to think, you may as well ask for world peace and the end to famine.

So, you say civilians can bring guns to the airport now?

Even in the US, if there is a shooting in the airport, it DOESN'T MATTER whether you can carry guns or not.

barock 57 is an absolute Moe Rawn

What in the hell does the NRA have to do with this story people!? It happened IN MEXICO, at an AIRPORT (where OBVIOUSLY no guns would be allowed by passengers in the first place DUH) and it was between COPS. C.O.P.S. So what in the hell is a passerby gonna do with a damn gun!!! Shoot back? Geez, but keep flapping your gums about Obama and the NRA, like either have to do with the horrible state of Mexico.

What in the hell does the NRA have to do with this story people!?

I know that people are hot talking about the fiasco of "Fast and Furious" However, perhaps you missed the article that talks that most of the guns used by drulg dealers age LEGAL guns that they can readily buy here in this country.

All that they need to do is have them "cross the border illegaly"

Here is the link, so you can read it by yourself:

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/08/new-player-in-mexicos-drug-war-the-nra/

"obama has GOT TO GO... and by the way, lets let mexicans do what mexicans do best,.. kill each other so they dont come here and take our jobs"

Jnt - I am very sorry you lost your job harvesting crops or doing landscaping. If you had a job that a desperate, uneducated, non-English speaking person can do, maybe you should have worked a little harder in school.

Be careful, IRESPOND. These people you're scolding don't respond favorably to facts.

obama has GOT TO GO... and by the way, lets let mexicans do what mexicans do best,.. kill each other

Oh PLEASE! That is just gang wars! Stop saying that the best that the Mexicans do is kill each other. You need to thank a Mexican TODAY for not paying $5.00 for a pound of produce at the store. Ask anybody that has a business and requires labor.

Hypocritical rhetoric.

Capt jim~ you have obviously swallowed the bullshoot that tells people that the jobs taken by illegals are lettuce picking and landscaping..and oh, yea....cleaning houses.

you are an ignorant pawn. come to chicago and look in any manufacturing plant and see how many American Citizens you can find. Construction? most laborers are now mexicans. Roofing? you are so gullible it is laughable!

YEAH,,,while you're at it you can also thank them for the bedbug infestations and swine flu out breaks they provided us with here as well............mexico is nothing but A THIRD WORLD SLUM WITH A SPILT BLOOD ECONOMY...and they are dragging all of this and their dope illegally across our borders everyday so yeahh... be thankful.

mexico is nothing but A THIRD WORLD SLUM WITH A SPILT BLOOD ECONOMY...and they are dragging all of this and their dope illegally across our borders

And nobody is forcing YOU and others to consume the drugs. I am not saying that Mexicans are "wonderful", but not ALL are criminals, and some actually are helpful to the economy here. Try to use some common sense and stop blaming others for our mistakes.

It's always someone else's fault. Sure! Take responsibility for your own ACTIONS and stop using drugs.

Ya know? Guns have been sold in the US to some of these parties in Mexico (albeit this article is talking about cops shooting each oher, and ostensibly officers wouldn't be bared from gun ownership), but this did not begin within the last 4 years, under the current administration, or anything of the like.

From 1997 until 2008 I lived in Albuquerque, NM. While I was living there, and prior to my moving back East (largely due to a certain lack of jobs, and finding a job elsewhere, and remember it's 2008 I'm talking about when considering the state of the economy as a back drop to the move), our own Congressional representative was trying to alert the Federal gov't to the fact that the gun smuggling from the US to Mexico was also taking place accross the border, even while the drug trafficing was going the other way.

Those of us in NM were aware of it, and we were aware of it long before Obama... This gun running (in many cases by the same individuals who were smuggling the drugs and people the other way) has been going on far longer then the last 3 or 4 years. And various individuals in those border states had been trying to alert the rest of the country to this fact for some time. It's probably another one of those situations whee AZ for instance is trying to alert people to just how bad it is on ranchers property which happens to be on the US/Mexico border, which is to say, they're practically in a state of war with these trafficers. On the other hand, the Fed, and yes this president (though others before who haven't taken a firm stance on this) don't seem to get just how bad things can be on the border towns.... At least with the New Mexico representatives, I think some were getting a little frustrated with their attempts to tell their fellow Congressmen, and the federal gov't at large, and having their advisements wrt what's trapsing through their own state, being largely ignored....

American, I had the misfortune of this once...

Had to move accross town, it was really wasn't more then a mile or so. When movers were hiered, the people who came turned out to be Spanish speaking, and they couldn't speak a word of English themselves. They used their own young daughter (she coudln't have been more then 6 or 7 years old) to translate for them. Betcha she didn't get payed for being their communications dept...

Well in any case, they showed up to the job 2.5 hours late, try to call them, (it was a Saturday), and no one who could speak English to answer the phone. So through the young girl, we had to communicate, and naturally after 2 hours what we felt like telling them wouldn't have been appropriate for the ears of a child. We bit our tongues, and held back on what we really wanted to tell these people, because there was no way to tell the responsible parties directly...

When they finally arrived, we had agreed on a large truck, they brought the smallest truck they could find... Communication barrier problem again. They had to make several trips, which wouldn't have been so bad if some of the furniture didn't fall out of the back of the truck, and onto the road. They stopped, picked it up, but IT WAS SMASHED into many pieces and good for the garbage then. Again, no way to voice my own thoughts wrt this, without having the young girl translate, again bit my lip, but getting a bit angry at this point...

If that wasn't all, the place I was moving into, on one of the trips, they not only left the front door unlocked (not a great idea several miles outside Trenton, NJ in one of the surrounding suburbs), but they left the front door wide open where anyone on the street could have seen a way in. The land lord wasn't happy, and chewed my ear out, on this. And no way to pass this on, without once again, only their young daughter knew English and they depended on her to do all the communication for them. Then, in moving the fridge in, they banged it up against all the walls, and dented them/put a few holes in the walls, in the process of getting it inside. They weren't all that careful.

All I can say after that, they didn't earn no ****ed tip, and I'd never recomend that bunch. If only there wasn't a language barrier, they would have got an earful themselves for all of that (especially after they caused me to get an earful from the land lord for their wrecking some walls and what not). It's totally unreasonable that someone should bother to run a business? and fail to understand the language of the customers. Or that they should use a 7 year old as an endentured servant to do all the translation for themselves. Part of business is being able to communicate with the customer. And some things a customer might have to communicate, with that sort of nonsense going on, would be things that would be appropriate for adult ears only. One shouldn't have to bite their tongue, and speak as one would to a child after property gets damaged, a place is left open to crooks (it's not over-exageration in this part of NJ, Trenton and surrounding area aren't without crime), and they're 2.5 hours late....

What a nightmare!

One question: was it cheaper?

I know a legitimate moving company with a performance bond would have cost more, but then you wouldn't have this entertaining story to tell. Did you count the silverware after or before they left?

"Welcome to sunny Mexico. Enjoy our many beaches, but don't stop to pick up severed heads you might find while strolling."

Make sure you and your kids spend your hard earned paychecks down there. Mexico is a failed narco state. So many poor people the 99% are trying to kidnap kids of the 1% for ransom. Up until you get kidnapped or shot those beaches and drinks seem like a deal, don't they ? Soon's you get kidnapped your relatives are calling the US gubmint to come get you. I tell you now I'm not interested in being taxed to send resources to Mexico to rescue your heiny. Keep your hieny out of that place - or take what you get !

NOW will you legalize????????????

yes America is

Legalizing drugs will solve nothing, as was commented by other people above. The problem here is that there is a lot of money in drugs and the people running that business are probably the same people that chose who is going to run for President here. They will protect their business any way they can otherwise drug trafficking would have been slowed down or stopped a long time ago.

Note that the Taliban had eliminated traficking in Aftganistan before we invaded. Next day after we took them down, drug traficking was going full force.

Jibaro,

I'm not sure which point you are trying to make. Is it that the profit motive is what drives illegal drug sales so therefore legalizing the drugs would take out that profit motive and that's why legalization wouldn't work? I think that's what you just said - it's a little confusing.

Or is it that we need a more Taliban-like government here?

Please expand on your reasoning.

Jibaro:

Legalizing drugs will solve nothing,...

So, staying the course will?

American Citizen, if you don't like it, you are free to leave.

I vote w War ranger.

So because American Citizen doesn't want to live in a fantasy world of "America can do no wrong", he or she should be forced out of his or her own country? What kinds of hypocrites are you, anyway? Seems to me like the US will only become greater if we see ourselves for who we are and try to make it better instead of lying to ourselves and pointing fingers at the rest of the world. If you are making the claim that the US is any less corrupt than Mexico, then you really need to take the blinders off.

But our corruption is mostly legal.

LOL, All because of the US need to control people's lives and fighting a useless failed drug war.

Sure, I understand your point. There are just so many negatives with letting it all be legal. Hmmm, lets see, Cigarettes are legal...and they kill more than a five million people a year . Alcohol is legal, it kills more than 100,000 a year just in America alone, 45% due to car accidents. We have so many crazy new drugs out there. Everyone says legalize it, control it, it will break the cartels down..BS, when it is legal, every Cartel will want to run the street monopoly. Last thing I want is someone weak minded, avoiding reality with a chip on his shoulder, Drunk ,strung out on coke,smoking weed, and totting a loaded gun.

Drunk ,strung out on coke,smoking weed, and totting a loaded gun.

Fear monger much?

I see you listed the deaths tied to using cigarettes and alcohol. Why not the deaths tied to smoking cannabis? Probably because they can not tie a single death to it.

You say there are so many negatives tied to legalizing it, yet you do not list a single one. You responded to a post about making cannabis legal, not cocaine. Did you feel that you had to add that in for dramatic effect?

Just go ahead and rally to keep something illegal that doesn't promote violence when consumed. Keep locking up cannabis smokers because they are non violent and are an easy source of revenue for the private prison system.

It says quite a bit that you had to throw in cocaine and firearms to make cannabis look bad.

avoiding reality with a chip on his shoulder

This pretty much sums up your response.

alltheluck

it kills more than 100,000 a year just in America alone, 45% due to car accidents

I get where you are going with your points but PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE fact check yourself and provide links to where you are getting your distorted numbers.. HOW can alcohol be killing 45% in car accidents annually if that would equal 45000 and TOTAL traffic fatalities is only in the mid 30k. I won't do your research for you but believe the alcohol related vehicle deaths is in the neighborhood of 16k annually.

That alone makes the rest of your argument appear to be suspect.

We can debate the legalization of certain drugs when you can get your facts in order. That would include possession of a firearm while under the influence and who could legally sell controlled substances. There is a tax stamp on tobacco for a reason.

I think your brains are already fried with the use of drugs. That is why our country is being destroyed by you know who.....who was also a drug user. I think his brain has been fried so dry that their is nothing left except the desire to destroy our country.

Oh you must be talking about George Bush! The current leader inherited the nightmare from the dumbest president in modern history! The only person dumb enough to call Australians, Austrians. And.... dont forget sitting with children blank stared when he heard the words "Mr President, our country is under attack" 6 long minutes! Who had the canjones to go after Bin Laden? while the chimp was seeking oil for his daddy at the expense of lives and the surplus Clinton left and Cheney was raking in his retirment for halliburton! You cant even put those two men in the same category as far as intelligence and class. What an embarrassment Bush 2 was. OMG.

And if we call Obama dumb...its because we are racist. So its okay to do it to a republican but not okay for the Messiah. Obama will be the downfall of our great country and I am so sorry he was ever elected.....not because he is black but because he has no idea what he is doing. My dear, Obama is an embarassment to our country bowing to all of the world leaders. Call me racist now....... anyway we all know you drank all the koolaid and more. Sorry for you come November when he is voted out and I do hope you lose your job to an illegal immigrant.

@ alltheluck,

You did notice in my post that I stated to legalize it? That would entail controlling it like cigarettes and alcohol. Sell it, tax it, just as you would the other two. I don't see the cartels with a monopoly on tobacco or alcohol, I don't see people clandestinely growing tobacco plants in their yard or with hooch stills in their basements. It has been scientifically proven to be less harmful than either cigarettes or alcohol. Your argument about cartels controlling or monopolizing the flow holds no water and is farcical at best. How could they if it is legal and able to be purchased at stores by consenting adults of legal age, ( 18-21 )? Don't bring minors into the equation, it is illegal for under 18 to purchase smokes or under 21 to purchase alcohol, but they still sometimes can. That argument is going nowhere also.

Legalize it and you take the illicit profitability away from the cartels. It is no longer worth it if the cost is the same as a pack of cigarettes or a bottle of whiskey. It also gives another local, state and federal tax base and clears a large burden on the judicial system and jails.

Brilliantly stated, War Ranger. I absolutely agree.

Why sober up if I am going to burn in hell? Pffft.. I might as well enjoy myself now right?

Here Here Airthief!

mikeyknows:

All the drug users in the USA bear full responsibility for all the drug related violence in Mexico and the USA

All the prohibitionists bear full responsibility for all the drug related violence in Mexico and the USA.

Mike, it's the drug war and drug prohibition that is the ROOT CAUSE of all the violence and deaths associated with illegal drug trafficking.

Air Thief,

I don't do drugs nor condone it in any way, but you must be a genius with an IQ of 200. That is probably one of the best responses I have read on here.

Read the article again. They know who did it, why, and how. They shut down the crime scene and they have circulated the identification of the perps. Seems more effecient than what we do.

alltheluck when you said "wait until it spills onto our soil" I think that you are a bit late on that one. It already has. Ask anyone living in N.Y. City, Chicago, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Dallas, Houston, Oklahoma City, New Orleans, Miami, and the list goes on. There is drug related crime in evey major city of the U.S. today. Much of it is related directly to the various cartels in Mexico and South America as they are using our young gang members as mules to make up the pipe line for their products within the U.S.

Five or six years ago I read an article about "The Corporation" that was a drug ring run by one of the cartels out of Columbia as I recall. They were buying brand new trucks and vans in So. Florida and Texas, loading them up with drugs, driving them to the various delivery points then abandoning or burning them. The story about how they worked was really quite interesting and showed the extent of involvement here locally in the U.S. They were also buying old retired airliners from the various airlines and using them on one-way missions to various destinations in Europe as well. That has subsided since many European countries like Portugal and Holland have taken a different approach to the drug problem and are succeeding in putting it to rest there. We are the slow ones. LOL

Days4U - 30 years ago I was in Mexico City driving - I got pulled over

You go through red light - $50,000 pesos - no I didn't

You go through red light - $5,000 pesos - no I didn't

You go through red light - $500 pesos - fine leave me alone

The banditos were always the cops

Try filling up a tank of gas - they point to the top gauge not the actually one

Mexico has always been corrupt - but not to this extent

I don't know what the answer is it is a way of life to lie and cheat

NamVeteran - I've been to Vietnam every 3 years for the past decade, and you're right, it IS a lovely place to visit. The first thing you notice is that there is hardly ANY crime. The second thing you notice is that people go out of their way to help you out, are pleasant, and seem to forget that we bombed the crap out of them for 15 years. Third, drug use is almost non-existant, and the last thing anyone wants to do is run afoul of the law, create havoc, or run amock (unlike in the USA). Drugs ARE a bane in THIS country and other countries that create counter-cultures than admire their illicit use. Listen to some RAP music, go to San Francisco, assess the real purpose of half the medical mariguana facilities. Drugs, like guns, aren't killig people - it's PEOPLE KILLING PEOPLE and people blaming the plant for the inability of those that have been elected to protect us to DO SO. Want to clean up drug use in this country - make drug use, dealing, and transporting punishable by death with a mandatory 90 days to execution. Want to clean up drug use and cartels in Mexico, send the 82nd Airborne across the border, destory every cartel, processing point and anyone that gets in their way, and in the USA make it immediate execution for anyone caught selling, supporting, or belonging to a cartel. Works in Vietnam, and don't preach to me, I'm a Nam vet as well.

That's too bad. It was excellent. I swear it was a PTSD preventative. You have to work pretty hard to stress a Spec4 who just burned a half a joint of Cambodian Red, or Thai Stick, at all, let alone traumatically.

I feel really bad for the kids in the middle East. No booze, no pot, no short time. What the hell kind of war is that anyway? Nothing but Facebook and video games between patrols. They're going to be coming home really messed up.

Now to rerail. Did you know that for the past three years or so, the Cartels have been having some of their new recruits, with clean records, enlist in the US military, for the training and experience? They get two paychecks, one from the Army or the Marines, and one from the Cartel. They'll be coming home too.

It's time to at least legalize marijuana, before the poop really hits the propeller. With 30 million regular pot smokers in the US, it's the biggest money maker for the Cartels, by far. There is no way they can replace the income they would lose if we legalized pot. People who think the Cartels would just make it up by selling hard drugs aren't thinking it through. Meth, coke and heroin are the cheapest and easiest to get they've ever been. Anyone stupid enough to want them is getting them already. The Cartels have no possible new market to replace the market they would lose, if the US made it legal for us to grow and sell our own.

Feels like an assassination to me.

You should also mention that the dems want them, the mexicans, rolling in here by the wagonload...why? Because the more of them that can vote illegally the better the chances that this administration will not be ousted! Of all the outrageous arguments; voters are being disenfranchised if they are asked to provide picture ID in order to vote. Really?? We need a picture ID in this country for just about everything we do; including getting a job or collecting welfare and foodstamps. If you are an American adult you most likely have picture ID. I don't have a problem producing my picture ID in order to prove that I am entitled to vote. One might wonder why minorities are having a problem doing the same.

Hmmmmmmmmm

The two guys they suspect; only have to make it to the United States and then they will be safe. Protected by President Obama and Eric Holder. Bring our troops home now and station them on the border for the real war we are fighting.

That's one of the stupidest comments I've seen!

shepherd0886

Glad to see someone on here that can see the way things really are

Exactly, Shepherdo. The "War on Drugs" is really a "War for Profits", and is one of the biggest scams ever perpetrated using our tax dollars.

Kevin, it's not stupid. We are fighting an influx of drugs coming over the Mexican border. There is no denying this. How would it impact we as Americans, for the worse, if we had military patrolling and controlling our borders? Different times call for different measures.

Wouldn't matter. The cartels would buy the military if they don't own it already. You want to end drug abuse and drug traficking in the US? Put into function a law that makes the death sentence automatic and quick, like the next day, for anyone involved or suspected of being involved in that business. That will stop all this sh**.

shepherdo886 - Please explain your reasoning of how the hardlining "conservative moral majority Evangelical Bible thumpers" own what appears to be everything, according to your post. Are you referring to the conservatives? Or the Bible thumpers? See, you're tossing these names at people without clarifying your subject. Are you angry at conservatives, or at Bible thumpers? What about Evangelicals? They're all separate notations, and you're trying to pass them all off as one - sorry, but that's not correct.

Furthermore, how are Bible thumpers profiting? I know some conservative Christians I'd say are Bible thumpers, and they aren't making much profit at all - in fact, most of them are relatively poor.

And I love how you choose one side as the instigator of all these problems. Don't you realize that politicians on both Dem and Repub sides are to blame? You really need to stop believing everything you read and start thinking critically about both sides of the issue.

Just think..that little girl that got killed in her bed would still be alive if we legalized drugs, addicts would no longer have to buy on the street corner, they could walk into a 7-11 and buy it without any violence !!

Hmmmm, I wonder when the older generation will finally realize that this war on drugs did not work, will never work because we know prohibition did not work...

did we not learn anything from the prohibition on booze 70 years ago ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

However as long as the old hard line conservative moral majority Evangelical Bible thumpers have their way THEY will continue to profit from our sins and vices as THEY have all along and we will continue to pay with innocent young blood and wasted tax dollars.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Good post Shepherd.

To Shelley2080140 that was indeed a broad brush that I wielded but it was used in the interest of brevity. I didn't have the time or the space here to point out specific instances of individuals from such groups as to their particular participation in such corruption. The point is that all of them have some measure of culpability as do both political parties. My biggest complaint at the present is that for those who say "vote them out of office" I have to say what are our choices? We presently have only a selection of the lesser of two evils depending upon our own individual perspective. Frankly I am not pleased with our whole political system as it exists today. It is totally corrupt and rife with bribery and cronism.

As Nikita Kruschev predicted back in the 1960s America would collapse from within and so it is. Our nation's future greatness depended upon our ability to achieve balance (yin/yang if you will) in both the liberal and conservative views so that the end result best served all parties in our population. We have lost that ability. It is now down to a 'my way or the highway' mentality and we are self destructing because of it. Every extremist out there is part of the problem you see. The ones I listed in a group are just a few of the culprits. Balance and compromise or collapse in disarray that is the lesson here.