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Egyptian president-elect Mohamed Morsi spent seven years in the United States, from 1978 to 1985, as an engineering student and then assistant professor. Two professors remembered him fondly as a quiet man who was not particularly political or religious.
In the days since Mohamed Morsi was named president-elect of Egypt, two narratives have emerged about the 60-year-old engineer.
The first paints Morsi as an anti-American, anti-woman, anti-Christian and anti-Israel enforcer for the Muslim Brotherhood who will, despite his claims, turn back the clock in Egypt.
The second narrative, supported by two engineering professors from Egypt who knew Morsi when he was an engineering student and professor in California for seven years from 1978 to 1985, depicts a quiet, hardworking young man more driven by studies than politics.
Professor Nagi El Naga, who knew Morsi as an assistant professor in engineering at California State University Northridge, described his former colleague as kind, open-minded and conservative. At the time, Morsi was 30, with a wife and two young, U.S.-born children. His wife covered her hair with a veil; El Naga’s wife, a professor, did not.
“He was somewhat more conservative than me as far as religion, but there’s a difference between being conservative and being extremist,” said El Naga, who still teaches at Northridge. “He was open-minded. We had differences but these differences never prevented us from sharing dinner and things like that.
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“He was not irrational,” El Naga continued. “He was sincere in what he believed in.”
Morsi has been described as the accidental candidate; in April, he replaced Khairat El-Shater, the Muslim Brotherhood’s more charismatic and effusive choice who was deemed ineligible to run. Morsi became the chairman of the Freedom and Justice Party, a group with ties to the Brotherhood that emerged after the 2011 revolution. He was an independent member of parliament from 2000 to 2005.
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He won the election with 51 percent of the vote, edging out Ahmed Shafiq, who was viewed as an extension of former President Hosni Mubarak’s regime. Mubarak resigned in February of 2011 after 30 years in control.
Affable, hardworking
Professor Farghalli Mohamed of University of California said he was surprised to see his former graduate student join the Muslim Brotherhood. He said Morsi prayed five times a day and observed Ramadan, but did not discuss religion or politics, nor did he grow a light beard, as did the more devout Muslim students.
Rather, Mohamed remembers Morsi as an affable, hardworking and unmarried young man who joined his family at their home and on outings to the Magic Mountain amusement park.
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“I saw students from the Middle East at the time whose views were very conservative, who didn’t like what they saw in America in terms of social values -- they didn’t like the dress code of women,” Mohamed said. “When you visit them in their house, they are very conservative. Usually you don’t see their wives. But Mohamed Morsi, he met with my wife, and my wife doesn’t (wear a veil).”
In 1985, Morsi traveled to Egypt and never returned to California.
El Naga and Mohamed, who have lost touch with Morsi, have differing theories on why Egypt's president-elect joined the Brotherhood.
Mohamed believes Morsi would not have joined the Brotherhood had he returned to Cairo to teach, rather than taking a position at a small university in the more conservative northern part of Egypt.
El Naga, however, believes that Morsi joined the Brotherhood because he shared one of their values: to fight corruption in the Mubarak regime.
Morsi quits Muslim Brotherhood after election
When El Naga heard Morsi speak on Sunday, he said he believed the new president’s claims that he would unify the country.
“When I saw him talking it brought me back to many years back,” El Naga said. “I felt he was the same person I was with 30 years ago.”
Mohamed was less enthusiastic.
“I feel sad for Morsi,” he said. “He was elected as president -- that is great -- but at the moment it is vague for him. He has no constitution on which to rely on to govern the country. There is no Congress, and then the military council is still in control.”
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wow...
one narative from 49% of Egyptions, women crying in the street, any non extremist figuring out how to get out of the country
the second narrative...an MSNBC reporter was able to find "2" people who knew him in the 70's and 80's, who say he was a religious conservative, but not an extremist...why does that seem so familiar...who was that other guy that the US seemed so happy with back in the 70's and 80's...he certainly wasn't an extremist...oh, oh wait, i'm getting a picture, the name is on the tip of my tongue
Morsi is likely a descent human with descent intentions. He believes that conservative Islam has the values he espouses. But to the non-believer the Koran is a bully book that instructs it's followers to kill, subjugate, plunder and tax the unbeliever. It's written in plain sight in the Koran and the Hadith in 100's of verses. It only takes literal and true belief to turn a young impressionable believer into a suicide bomber. It is an aggressive doctrine that seeks to wipe out all neighboring religions. Egypt was once a Christian nation, Afghanistan was once a Buddhist nation. Northern India, Pakistan and Bangladesh were once Hindu, Persia was Zoroastrian.
Once Sharia laws are inacted then the Koran is the center of the constitution. By definition the following will become the articals of the constitution:
Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
Qur'an:9:112 "The Believers fight in Allah's Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed."
Qur'an:9:29 "Fight those who do not believe until they, all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission."
Qur'an:9:14 "Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them."
Qur'an:8:65 "O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding."
Qur'an:4:78 "Wherever you are, death will find you, even if you are in towers strong and high! So what is wrong with these people, that they fail to understand these simple words?"
Qur'an:9:38 "Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah's Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place."
Qur'an:9:123 "Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you."
Qur'an:48:16 "Say (Muhammad) to the wandering desert Arabs who lagged behind: 'You shall be invited to fight against a people given to war with mighty prowess. You shall fight them until they surrender and
submit. If you obey, Allah will grant you a reward, but if you turn back, as you did before, He will punish you with a grievous torture."
or my favorite:
Qur'an: 8:55: "Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve"
With many more vesrsus like it, it is easy to see where Mohammad Atta, or the Luxor massacre terrorists, or Qutb, or any of the other terrorists get thier inspiration
Imagine of the US constitution said: "Kill the Muslims until there is no more Islam", I feel certain that the Muslim community would feel single out for such a threat. Now the world will need to guard thier airports and their embasssies against a new threat condoned by a government that openly and explicitely embraces such a bellicose doctrine.
Egypt has chosen the Koran as it's guide. I urge Egypt to distinguish the line between what is democracy, and what is majority mob rule.
otherwise, I say, good luck with your new way of life.
An Egyptian Harvard Professor, Leila Ahmed, who grew up in Egypt mentioned that some of the fanatics mined medieval religious texts to find intolerant bits and said that the women she grew up with didn't respect the fanatics or think they had any better link to God than they did.
If you look in Leviticus in the Bible you will find plenty of outrageous, violent, intolerant bits.
Miners of ancient texts can have their fun, but they are divorced from the real world - locked in thier bubble of intolerant fanaticism.
I'mgoing on a limb here. I think we should sit back a observe first. Don't jump the gun. The religion in this country doesn't say things differently. The Old Testament was as the Koran and the New Testament was written to tone down The Old on this matter. It has often been said that the Bible tells us how to fight a war. You only have to look as far as your own religious book to see this. Yes we do have people of Religious Extreem in this country. Most religions and practitioners prefere to ignore that part of there beleif. They are peaceful loving people. Now I'm just putting some cards on the table and don't want to start a religious war on the string.
Speaking as a non-Muslim who has actually studied the Quran, as opposed to misquoting a few anti-Muslim verses out of context :- the same Quran preaches tolerance - just like the Bible, you can find just as many verses in the Quran call for tolerance and understanding as you can find preaching fire and brimstone.
This is the general thing about religion. It doesn't make you any better, and it doesn't make you any worse. If you are already a decent human being, then religion keeps you a decent human being, but if you are a jerk, it gives you the excuse to stay a jerk.
If Morsi is a decent human being, then hopefully, we can see a decent sort of Islam coming out of Egypt, but it all depends on whether the moderates are going to be able to have sufficient power in Egypt.
Quite a lot of it also depends on how much criticism the Egyptians are going to get. If we keep telling them that we need to suppress them because Islam is bad, the way many people on this board seem hellbent on doing, we are going to be strengthening the hand of the hardliners.
We will have to wait and see how this guy starts his tenure. If there are abuses and murders and church burnings, it will be all over the news. If Egypt starts to slip into the Stone Age like Afghanistan, then the world will have a problem. I just hope it is not another country we sold military equipment to, starts to use it against its own people.
We have no choice but to sit back and watch and see. The idea that we can know what a man today is like by having known him as a young person is nonsense. People change a lot over their lifetime. It can go either way. They can start out bad and then eventually come around to be a decent person at least in the public eye.
Look at Eldridge Cleaver that went through all sorts of transformations from his youth. He was an admitted serial rapist, a member of the Black Panthers, then a born again denouncing prior violence, to reaching out to white racists to bring about understanding , to eventually becoming a Mormon. Do you think assessing him as a young person was really knowing him at all?
I'm actually really impressed with the voice of reason that I've been hearing from most of the people commenting so far. My initial reaction was to write something sarcastic like "Morsi - liberal and open-minded - yeah, right!". I am well aware of his stance on Israel, Christians, and the ideals of the Muslim Brotherhood and Salaffi, etc. But really, I agree that the prudent thing to do is watch carefully and see. I don't have that much hope for Egypt right now, but maybe Morsi does have what it takes to keep them out of "the Stone Age", as Kristian puts it, and to prevent persecution of Coptic Christians, Jews, Shia Muslims (Morsi is Sunni) and other religious or ethnic minorities, as well as his ability to lead Egypt in getting along with the rest of the world. Time will tell... and I think time will tell pretty quickly (as in within the next 1 to 6 months) whether he will be friend or foe. Once the world observes and determines one way or the other, we can then decide what is the appropriate action toward him and the new Egypt. The question Morsi and Egypt will have to answer with their actions is whether they under his leadership deserve to prosper and be rewarded for getting along well with others and preserving human rights and dignity and religious freedom, or do they deserve sanctions, boycotts/embargoes, isolationism, continued poverty, and perhaps even military intervention if they espouse terror, persecution, aggression, tyranny.
Day 3 since the announcement and the sky still hasn't fallen. Imagine that.
Even the Devil will quote the Bible. So be careful about quoting a Holy Book.
Tompom, 6dogs
If they accept it as part of thier constitution, then quoting directly from the Koran is not quote mining. It is a fully relevant, observed and immutable text, and considered as articals of that constitution. It is not quoting it out of context because the Hadith mirror the text in the Koran, and objective history records the bellicose nature of early Islam. The early Islamic empire was forged through perpetual war at it's immediate borders.
Comparison to the bible is irrelevant because no western culture, including the United States has the bible as a central theme of thier constitution. There is not a single explicite biblical reference in the US constitution or the bill of rights. joseph Addison's play 'Cato' had more inspirational influence on the founding fathers than the Bible.
Besides, why is it, when the Koran is read, and critiqued, can it not stand on its own two feet and defend itself? It is supposed to be the final word of some omniscient diety. Why do appologists need to fall back on big brother the Bible to justify the bellicose verses? Why do appologists never simply say "it is Allah's right to kill unbelievers", instead they say, "see there...it's in the old testament too!"? Also, in the old testament it is generally written in narrative form, but in the koran it is in open ended imperatives. In either case it is the word of ancient man and not of some imaginery God. In both cases, it does not belong in a modern constitution.
Byron Raum
I reserve the right to confront the hardliners at will. And I will confront the hardliners fully to preserve my right to do so. Are you saying the doctrine of the Qu'ran, especially in application as a constitutional document, cannot be critiqued???? In Madrassas in Pakistan it is practically the only book they study and memorize. Perhaps that is why the region is a source of terrorism.
For all the people that call for reflexion and don't jump on the gun , the same thing many Americans said about Hitler before the Holocaust. This is just propaganda to justified the ties of Obama with the Islamic Brotherhood. Obama is helping the enemy.
Egypt's backward march to seventh century desert days Islam cult will bring too much miseries to Egyptians and those around them!
The poor women, the poor Copts. The poor Jews of Egypt...oh, wait, they're already kicked out or killed. Let's see if Obama opens our shore to the Copts like he did for the Somali Muslim terrorists.
And yet Netanyahu said he respected the election results. He must be a Muslim Socialist Taliban too wishing for the downfall of the USA.
Great reply, grotto! If you were leader of a country of 7 million, mostly a minority despised by the rabid Islamists, facing an Islamic government in a next door neighbor, population 81 MILLION, you'd try to be politic, too.
Much different from the Muslim-raised Obama.
Morsi is masterminding the perfect scam to keep US aid flowing in.
"The first paints Morsi as an anti-American, anti-woman, anti-Christian and anti-Israel enforcer for the Muslim Brotherhood who will, despite his claims, turn back the clock in Egypt."
Morsi is backed by the Sunni Islamic extremist Salaffi, MB and others. These Islamic hardliners will never accept the realities and have many faces.
It will be bad news for Christians, women and Israel. It is given that they are anti-American!
When most don't care for religion much these days, followers of Islamic cult, especially Sunnis, are fast marching backwards to their seventh century desert tribal days of rapings, lootings, killings and genocides of non-Muslims.
What a bunch Islamic religious Nazis wrecking havoc in most of the nations including Muslim majority nations.
If they try to take on Israel that would be a very big mistake.
al151998 said,
The State Of Israel has a long record of setting up trouble and making it look like it was the other guy's fault.
The USS Liberty, for example, was treachery that was designed to have the blame fall on Egypt.
A nation, Egypt, that is not aligned with the zionist hegemony goals and shares a common border is not going to be free of zionist machinations. Count on it.
al15198: Religious mad people, especially Islamic ones, don't think that much or bother too much!
J.P. keep tryin' to peddle the crack by quoting a 50 yr old mistake as opposed to the hundreds of attacks by Muslims.
Remember, Ayman al Zawahiri is an EGYPTIAN.
yes rachel, anti-zionist people love to talk about the uss liberty.
People lie about the investigations, you only read what one man said in these posts. There were congressional, and U.S. military investigations. 9 all together, but the Jew haters never mention that, they only cite what the retiring old man, and a couple of upset shipmates claimed.
On the U.S.S. Liberty; All official U.S. investigations concluded it was friendly fire.
A conservative muslim ha ha ha this country will either end up a theocracy or a military dictatorship. Its only a matter of time.
The musilim brotherhood will destroy Eygpt.
Finally, someone with a brain.
Pats617, your sanctimony is sickening. Some of us are educated and sympathetic also, but just not stupid and suicidal. I learn what I know from observation and making decisions from that. I don't even watch FOX news. I don't profess a liberal OR conservative party line. All of your pc/mc intellectualization, rationalization, equivocation, apologetics, pandering, etc. will not save your head when the Islamic sword comes down on your neck.
They will also destroy Israel if they are allowed to ....Has anyone mentioned the Suez canal ???? Very sensitive situation ......
And if America sits on it's collective ass, it too shall become muslim. If you don't take your government now in a few years it will be to late. We need to crush the so called muslim religion now! Pack'em up and ship'em out. And don't give me this freedom of religion crap. Any place that the muslim religion becomes government then all other religions are done away with.
PLANT A PIG. Muslims won't build any structure on ground "soiled" with Pig remains, so just plant a pig. Next time these Diaper Heads want to errect a Mosque somewhere, burry a dead pig and put up a little head stone or post photo's of the burial. This country is over run with wild hogs in the south. We have plenty to go around for the whole country to use.
Yeah, let's just get rid of the Constitution and all of the amendments - except the 2nd one, of course. It's the only one most Americans care about anyway.
Morsi is a Terrorist, plain and simple. Hope someone offs him.
im very sorry u feel that way. do u think the statements like that are making you or others sound like nazis yourself? or maybe KKK Klansmen?..thats very harsh brother. look at all the hate is the comments here.. who is really the terrorists? Looks like the american public. it is no wonder Muslims everywhere are getting fed up, and fighting. We are hurt by attacks and bullying like everyone else.
Then again, i guess on the internet anybody can say anything that they never would in real life. once again im sorry u feel that way
Muhammad-
Not all of us Americans have the same feelings as the above posters. Most of us are educated, sympathetic and decent people who see the injustice that is happening right now in the Middle East. You have to understand that some Americans are simply uneducated and ignorant and tend to believe whatever they hear on Fox news or through word of mouth. The type of people who spread hateful messages on these forums are typical of people who have never left this country and seen the world, and even some that have never left the state in which they were born in.
Boo f*cking hoo ... Poor little mistreated Muslims ... It's always everybody else's fault, isn't it?
Pats617, you talk about people who speak of things they don't know and who only watch Fox news. Have you ever watched Fox News? I have and I have never heard them talk of hating anyone. You obviously only listen to MSNBC and I guess after reading this article,you think that this Morsi guy, is just a easy going great guy. I bet if you interviewed someone from flight school, who knew one of the Evil men who killed 4 thousand people on 911, they would say the same things about them. Why haven't MSNBC interviewed any Christians or Non Muslims in Egypt,they would either be crying in fear or packing their backs,because they know what the Brotherhood stands for.
Mohammad , as far as people getting, "Fed Up", the American people are getting Fed UP, being lied to and being blown up by these people belonging to this ,"Religion of Peace". As the Japanese found out after Pearl Harbour, You wont like us when were angry.
I do frequently watch Fox news "Joe" to simply hear and see what kind of poison they're spewing. They're not necessarily saying hateful things on the air per say, but they pump fear into these mindless, trailer park Americans. Over hyping such miniscule "incidents" and leading the public to constantly be in a state of fear and war. And with this "mis"information, that is how hate is bred. There is nothing to be afraid of "Joe". So put down your shot gun, take the keys out of your Dodge Ram's ignition, and relax.
I agree with Pat617. The ignorance here is a testament to how dangerous a democracy is. 9 out of 10 posts here are of the "them thuurr A-rabs are terrererrerists and we gotta get dem befo they get uz" variety...and then the tenth post is usually something about a Zionist world conspiracy. These folks are dumb as rocks, believe every change in the world has apocalyptic implications...and yet they'll all be voting to elect the next leader of the free world. Horray!!!
Hopefully he will be moderate, tolerant and sensible - remains to be seen. Islam doesn't have a monopoly on fanatics.
For your bemusement here is an article from BBC today on Jewish anti-Zionist (yes anti Zionist) fanatics that may not make it into the American press:
"Three ultra-Orthodox Jewish men have been arrested in Israel, suspected of defacing the national Holocaust memorial with anti-Zionist graffiti.
One of the slogans daubed in paint on the walls of the memorial read: "If Hitler had not existed, the Zionists would have invented him."
The suspects have admitted vandalising the site, a police spokesman said.
Suspicion for the attack had fallen on radical ultra-Orthodox Jews who oppose the creation of the state of Israel.
One of the slogans, all in Hebrew, was signed "world ultra-Orthodox Jewry".
Another read: "Thanks Hitler for the wonderful Holocaust you organised for us. Only thanks to you we got a state from the UN."
A third went: "Honourable government of Poland, stop allowing the Zionists to hold manipulative 'memorial' ceremonies in Auschwitz."
Some ultra-Orthodox Jews believe a Jewish state can be established only after the coming of the Messiah, and that the state of Israel is therefore illegitimate.
A small number of extremists believe the myth that Israel's founders conspired with Hitler to bring about the Jewish state.
In a statement, Yad Vashem Chairman Avner Shalev said: "I believe that it was important to know the identities of those who spray-painted the graffiti. The suspects are extremist ultra-Orthodox Jews, anti-Zionists, who are on the fringes of society, and do not represent the majority who respect the memory of the Holocaust."
Yad Vashem was established in 1953 and commemorates the six million Jews murdered by the Nazis during World War II.
The three suspects are to appear before a Jerusalem court later on Tuesday."
Tompom
(...Islam doesn't have a monopoly on fanatics...) agree but the extremists in Israel will never be allowed to take over Israel like what has happened in Egypt. the christian extremists will never be allowed to take over, say the USA, or Europe. the voters in those countries have been aware of what extremists can do, this did not happen within a few years it took centuries for Europe to get rid of the Church's control, It may take long time for Muslims to realize what the every day Jewish, christian people have realized about the damages caused by mixing religion and state! by allowing extremists to govern! as far as Morsi goes, just google him,the MB you will see what will become of Egypt if the military loses control! Shariah and democracy can not coexist together! that is the borttom line!
The proof of the pudding is not just in the making... It's in the tasting... Yes, Democracy is a wonderful thing! But we need to also understand that some countries cannot yet accept Democracy. They quietly legitimize their new found freedom. And reinforce the yoke of centuries of oppression. Especially when their religion justifies what ever they do.
There are fanatical and moderate Muslim majority countries. Tunisia and Morocco are very conservative (but tolerant of others - in Morocco you see a few Algerians wearing black facemasks but many women in jeans and other western clothes, young lovers holding hands in the park etc.
Egypt has been a moderate country and although there has been some discrimination in employment against Christians (in fact discrimination against anyone not in the old boys network under Mubarak) generally I think most Egyptians are proud that they are generally tolerant of Christians. When there were attacks on Christian churches the Muslim Brotherhood sent leaders to the Churchses to show solidarity and protest the violence.
The changes are uncertain and somewhat worrisome, but most likely the Muslim Brotherhood will seek to take a fairly moderate role - as indicated by Morsi in his speech in which he implied he would respect the peace treaty with Israel and emphasized that both Muslims and Christians are cornerstones of Egyptian civilizations.
Those who think that all Muslims are trying to convert or kill all Christians are simply ignorant. I have lived and worked in number of Muslim majority countries and have visited Muslims in their homes and mosques as a tourist. No one ever tired to convert me to Islam.
There are a lot of fanatics in the world, including some of the Christian fanatics on this site, but they are not in the majority in any of the three major monotheistic religions.
Yeah, Muslims are generally tolerant of Christians. That's why they burn churches and kill Christians all over the Muslim world. Can you send me some of the stuff you've been smoking?
You ever been to Lebanon "Pray Hard"? Great country. Lived there for a year during a project for work. Half of the politicians and citizens are Muslim, and the other half are Christian. They have no problem living side by side and their children even go to the same schools. No church burnings. No violence towards eachother due to their religion. Have you ever even left this country? And no, I won't accept your trip to "Cancun" or "the Bahamas" as being "cultured".
So, maybe we need to redefine democracy. I guess to some it must mean having election results that are OK with the majority of Americans (assuming the majority are unhappy with the Egyptian elections.) The trouble with democracy is you get what the voters want; in this case 51% wanted Morsi as President. I guess the U.S. could use the CIA to topple the Morsi government in the spirit of "bringing democracy to the Middle East" but that would be hypocritical, so if we truly support democracy around the world we're going to have to learn to work with these legitimately elected governments whether we like them or not - exactly as we do with China and Russia.
I agree with you, not all dictaorial leadership is bad. ther exist countries that are small it is rediculus to have a two party system. They are dictator led and he does the best that he can for his country.
Well then I'm sold if a professor from California says he's OK.
The bible is just another bunch of childish nonsense, and just as violent in its context
Thanks for the meaningless equivocation. Please go live in an Islamic country and write to tell us how it is. MmmmK?
Religion is man made and has been the cause of war and death since before documented history.
The only thing you need to know about this guy is that he's Muslim Brotherhood. Everything else is irrelevant. Thank goodness the military is still in control. Seriously, fellow retards, how can a Muslim theocracy be better than a country controlled by a dictator or the military?
Massive trials will soon begin in Egypt; thousands of collaborators will be tried for crimes against the people. Military officers will be stripped of rank and sentenced to a lifetime of hard labor. Once powerful families will lose their homes and be forced to pick cotton in the Nile Delta. Supporters of Shafiq will be banished to an existence under a blazing Sinai sky.
This article is hogwash. Obama was a major player in giving the Moslem Brotherhood power in Egypt. This article is an attempt to help Obama's reelection campaign by washing off some of the bad, ugly stuff.
It won't wash off. Six months or less from now we'll get a glimpse of the real Moslem Brotherhood - and we won't like it.
Doesn't anyone know two faced rhetoric when they hear it ? This man will tell the world what they want to hear .....speaking out of the side of his mouth. Welcome to the new Iran ......Egypt will now be run by the Muslim Clerics with a puppet at the forefront
Your sadness would be better directed toward women and non-Muslims in Egypt.
Egypt will do as any other free nation will do. We must wait and see whether they take a direction that poses a threat to us or our allies and act accordingly. Of course God is on our side!
My God, saint, savior, can beat up your God, saint, savior. Childishness, pure and simple fantasy born of ancient man's inability to comprehend naturally occurring events on earth and in the heavens and also born of darker, baser needs for power and control over others and for the wealth both tangible and intangible power delivers to the holder. BTW, that wealth includes women, as they are defined as nothing more than the property of men by most religions. A pathetic, sexually transparent construct IMHO!
Religion is supported by people afraid of their own mortality. I am appalled that so many believe they have something substantive to offer eternity. What wise and profound ideas or actions will they provide throughout endless time? The same wonderful ideas and actions put forth here on earth? So eternity will consist of endless arguing, murder and all manner of mayhem, a mirror of life on earth? Give me death, give me an end to the senselessness so many cloaked in their righteousness offer as justification for so much hatred. I would prefer an actual end rather than eternity with fools!
The sanctimonious self-righteous Christians, will now pray for me while condemning me, how divine! The Muslims will point me out as an infidel who needs to be vanquished, what a beautiful world they would build given the chance.
The universe is now the multi-verse, the number of galaxies exceeds our ability to comprehend, the number of stars/suns is a number greater than that and the number of worlds even greater than that...something more is out there, other worlds, other galaxies, other universes and perhaps other dimensions...
Something more than what we experience here on Earth...it is impossible for it to be described or defined through words written in books by men with agendas! Men who sway legions of fools to blindly follow them into acts of depravity that truly do define them/us as the evil self-serving monsters they/we claim to want to vanquish from our midst. HYPOCRISY!
I think it will be clear very soon what type of person he is.
The most significant will be whether he will honor the treaty observed by mubarek the puppet or he will discontinue it pending resolution of isreal's continued slavery of palestinians..
Any normal person, regardless of muslim , christioan, buddhist etc. will find it unacceptable to be cozy with occupiers.
The man has a degree in Engineering so clearly he hates science and mathematics, clearly.
No question that the bigoted, hyperbolic, conspiracy theorists that frequent these boards have a greater appreciation of science and mathematics than this Engineer, no question.
He was a student And a professor in California?
It was California, logic doesn't always apply