We are a bigger one to support them in Syria and al-Qaida patrons like Sunni Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Kuwait ...

Muslim scum

Interesting that they have their faces covered to not be identified. Ignorant and Cowards.

Once again it is stupid muslims.

The scourge of the world.

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we are dealing with a 7th century mindset; they do not want to come into the 21st century, they want the world to return to the 7th century, Iraqi, Sudan,Egypt, Tunis, Iran, Afghanistan,, now Syria have all fallen to these people; they know nothing other than death and destruction of anything that is not Islamic; and we are letting a couple hundred thousand into our country each year, there is no way to deal with these people other than avoid them, isolate them, and most of all stop shipping food to them.

AG 99; when was the last time you heard of Catholics, Baptists, Episcopal, Lutheran, Mormon, or Jewish people organizing to destroy ancient artifacts, try not to make excuses for these murderous scum.

Acts of cowardice, scared of shrines and statues. This saddens me just like when the Taliban took over Afghanistan and destroyed thousands of historical monuments.

Proof of their intolerance. We need not look any further. We know all Muslims do not feel this way, but it seems the ones in charge, the ones that matter, keep doing this.

I decided to read the Koran recently and having finished the first chapter, I'd say it reads a lot like the Bible so far. It's all in which parts you decide to take on board and which to ignore. No one really follows every tenant of their holy book.

That's pretty much it, religion neither betters you, nor makes you worse. It just allows you to find reasons for your actions, so if you have a tendency towards being a decent human, then religion will be the framework in which you behave that way. Same for being a terrorist.

Humanity has evolved past the need for religion.

Only a fool would think these cretins can be reasoned with. Islam is a plague on civilization.

P.S. The reason why the koran reads somewhat like the Bible is because it plagiarized much of it's writings from the Bible, some sections literally word for word.

A better question is; when were religions not destructive and hateful? Religious books are tools of manipulation, what they say is totally meaningless to those who find good morals and act in a civil manor just by using logic. It took logic to make the books - books didn't invent logic.

Still not convinced that religion is a social disease? Some people are blind to reality and incapable of rational thought.

AG99 - Be careful... the Christians don't want to hear that their brothers and sisters have been equally, if not more, violent than Muslim extremisits throughout history.

Religion is just another form of governance and power used to manipulate people based on their fears of the unknown. Something Christian and Muslim leaders don't want you to know.

The question "When was the last time" seems to have been answered. It has been hundreds of years.

Religion is for the ignorant. Lets make life miserable here and now because some magic genie will grant us wishes when we die. Pathetic.

Islamists are extremist, 'born-again' Muslims.

Feel free to replace the word "Muslims" in that statement with any other religious moniker and you get the same results.

After all, nobody expects the Inquisition, right? ;-)

AG99

How is stating facts predjudice. Muslin Sharia law is a revolting violent moral code by which all Muslims must live.

Try reading Sharia which is really what Muslims are all about ! Read the Hadith and tell us what you think !

Every day Muslims oppress & murder their own people . Google Tunisian man head cut off for leaving Islam. Not a nice video to watch. I have !

The Stoning of Soraya is another of true stories about Islam.

Kountryking, not only can't you spell "country" but you don't know that the Nazis weren't Christian. They renounced Christianity. And the example of Tenochtitlan's destruction was what? Nearly 500 years ago?

We can't change the past but MUSLIM NAZIS ARE DESTROYING THE WORLD NOW!!!!

David9000... TomTom72 you guys been sitting in the dark too long. Napoleon did it as a whim... not "religious" bigotry... and he certainly did not "tear the city down".... Muslim are the most intolerant that I've seen... even during the "Crusades"... we left their crypts and holy sites undisturbed. (Because they are still standing today..,.not "rebuilt". I know that you guys absolutely hate that America was founded because of European religious persecution, but that is the way it is.... Jesus was a real historical figure that change the world during a 3 year ministry and I dare you to prove where Christians as a group destroyed historical sites.

Also look at what just happened in Dearborne Michigan!

200 hundred Muslim youth stoned a Christian group peacefully carrying signs while the cops stood by and watch. Looked more like Gaza than the USA !

The Islamatization of America is well under way. A religion of conquest.

Subscribe to Jihad Watch to see the truth about Islam. It is not a religion but an violent ideology that needs to be stopped !

Also look at what just happened in Dearborne Michigan!

200 hundred Muslim youth stoned a Christian group peacefully carrying signs while the cops stood by and watch. Looked more like Gaza than the USA !

The Islamatization of America is well under way. A religion of conquest.

Subscribe to Jihad Watch to see the truth about Islam. It is not a religion but an violent ideology that needs to be stopped !

Try reading Sharia which is really what Muslims are all about ! Read the Hadith and tell us what you think !

While you're at it, read Deuteronomy too.

charlie, why don't the Christians sue Dearborn for lack of equal protection under the law?

tim, don't be silly. Our Christian nation is not bringing in Biblical law and attacking other religions as the Muslims are. You must have a death wish.

Because that never happened, he's just an idiot who believes whatever right-wing chain emails his equally dumb family members send to him, and every stupid headline on Fox Nation.

Just to set the facts straight...

The NAZI movement was political not religious. NAZI's have absolutely nothing to do with Christianity nor any other religion.

The Inquisition was 500 years ago, let's move on...

The United States is NOT a Christian nation. It is a secular democratic republic.

Throughout history people of faith HAVE NOT been the problem. The problem comes from only 2 situations - religious fundamentalism and the intermingling of religion and government.

Charlie - you might want to do some fact checking before passing along information. According to other sources, those "peaceful" Christians in essence invaded an Arab festival carrying signs denigrating Mohammed and carrying a dead pig's head on a stick. Things which any reasonable person would know were meant to express hate for and provoke a response on the part of the muslims. However, searching on both MSNBC and Fox News, I could find no references to this story.

Islamists Destroy Ancient Sites and Timbuktu

............and this shocks..............WHO?????????????????

It's how they roll.

Rachel absolutely they should !

I am an Atheist and always have been and always will be but all people deserve protection of the law.

Atleast Christians have evolved form their violent past !

Our Christian nation is not bringing in Biblical law

Assuming you're talking about the U.S., we are not a Christian nation. It says so in the First Amendment. The U.S. is explicitly, by law, secular.

But there are plenty of people who keep trying to make it otherwise, not unlike the Islamists in other countries.

"This is simply unbelievable in America. The footage is clear, that Muslims in Dearborn Michigan are throwing anything they can get their hands on at this outspoken Christian group, including pieces of concrete. It’s like they think they are in the Gaza Strip or something. And then the cops, instead of arresting people who threw stones and bottles and milk crates and what not, they tell the Christian group they are free to leave if they want. Really? That is insanity. And then to top it off, the Christians are then hassled by the cops after they are leaving.

Just unreal. You wouldn’t think this is America."

Every American should be outraged !

...this was the group of 'Christians' calling themselves "Bible Believers", who showed up at the Dearborn Arab International Festival carrying placards declaring Mohammed was a pedophile, and where there was no Dearborn police presence (according to local papers)...

Right?

Context is everything, man. If you ask me, they're lucky they didn't get their asses seriously kicked.

Flame77_7 - Spend some time reading more about history. Ever heard of the Crusades? The Crusades were a series of religious expeditionary wars blessed by the Pope and the Catholic Church and targeted at Muslims. The French Wars of Religion (1562–98). Or how about the Reconquista? Northern Ireland? Bosnia-Herzegovina?

All of them religious wars involving Christians. And there are many more. And, yes, religious sites were destroyed by Christians in many of those cases.

Christians are not as pure as they like to think. But that is the case with all religions.

The Arab Spring! But those Spring roses smell more like flatulence, don't they?

It is a shame that this is what the Arab world is coming to. Egypt has elected a theocrat, Muslim Brotherhood as its president. More to come.

Did you know that Egypt is the biggest taker of U.S. foreign aid on the planet; and that costs you plenty? That little bit of foolishness was brought to you by way of Jimmy Carter, and way back in the 1970's. "Stop shooting at Israel, and we'll financially support your country." Thanks Jimmy.

And now, how many of you, who are supporting at least 1 Egyptian with his or her tax money, would feel safe on a visit to the wonders of Ancient Egypt, in Egypt? Very few, I'm sure.

Obama supports Muslim extremists, dismisses Israel, and there is more coming down should Obama win a second term--This looks oh so like big trouble. Do you have any idea?

It will be a little harder to flatten the pyramids. Napoleon's men tried to shoot down the sphinx but only knocked part of it to the ground. Oh well, easy come easy go. Ain't democracy wonderful and intelligent.

Obama supports Muslim extremists, dismisses Israel, and there is more coming down should Obama win a second term--This looks oh so like big trouble. Do you have any idea?

Based on this statement alone, it's obvious that you don't.

Islamist rebels. I kinda figured when I went to post that people would try to turn this thread into Christian bashing. Always flip flop the facts to fit a pathetic midget minded agenda. These wonderful Archeological places deserve protection regardless. Islam is on par with Nazism right now and we sit in the bleachers and watch and talk about those other people. Anyone that supports this kinda action or people is a sad human being.

As we celebrate Americas Independence day and what we have accomplished I say throw an Islamist rebel on the barbeque.

However you want to look at it, Islamists are scum of the earth and can not stand anything from anybody else. That is why they destroy the most beautiful sites on earth. So far, they have not built or produced anything useful or pretty for as long as they are around. They are scared little piglets running around with guns trying to control everything in their path.

Just look at them, towels around the head so nobody can identify these chicken-@!$%#s. These are not men but hideous cowards that fear nothing more than other peoples minds.

Drainbramage 1.15

You are but one of many that has the tail wagging the dog. You blame religion for such destructive behavior when the actual answer is the people themselves.

Religion doesn't make savages of people but it is reasonable to expect savage people to create or adopt a religion that reflects on their own pre-existing savage proclivities.

@Flame7 & Saxon. . .

Apparently you've never read the List of Christian Atrocities after that evil religion was legalized by the Romans in 373. Destruction of all "pagan" temples and monuments, shrines and cemetaries commenced. You may argue that this is all ancient history, but you should include the Iraq and Aghanistan wars, the bombing of the Murrah Federal Building, bombing of Centennial Park, bombing of abortion clinics, Vietnam, Korea, and on and on. . .

http://notachristian.org/christianatrocities.html

So tim in America you think it is okay to attack people when you don't like what they are saying ?

I don't care what their signs said, you cannot act like heathens throwing stones etc.

I don't agree with what they say but I would never harm them period !

Is;am is a curse on the country where ever it is ! We respect women here and don't kill our kids out of some heinous religious belief in HONOR !

Is;am is a curse on the country where ever it is ! We respect women here and don't kill our kids out of some heinous religious belief in HONOR !

That's true for the most part, just like it is true for the most part for Muslims.

There are over a billion Muslims in the world. If the religion was as heinous as some here claim it is, the problem would be much larger and widespread than it actually is. We're talking about extreme examples, not mainstream.

Using a bunch of Christian extremist idiots in Dearborn as an example of some kind of pervasive Christian persecution at the hands of all Muslims is disingenuous at best.

Ray4: you can knock religion and Republicans all you want with your asinine, ignorant statements. You may not like their ideology, but you put yourself in the category of sewer level with such nonsense spewing from your hateful lips. Pretty sad if that's the best you can come up with.

@TomTom-72 - Check again, who took off the nose of the Sphinx. It was a Muslime.

Tim you are missing the point ! It is unacceptable to attack anyone.

The Islami9c problem is very pervasive as honor killings are on the rise. These are unacceptable pricices here ! The attempt to incorporate Sharia into US civil code is real and Kanas just legislated a ban on foreign legal code being adapted there !

You have groups like Cair who fight every attempt to fight Islam here. Using charitable designations to raise funds for terror groups. They use our constitution to fight us !

@Saxon- the Christians have systematically destroyed artifacts through out he world. Catholic missionaries utterly destroyed Mayan and Incan histories, written histories as heresy. Same everywhere missionaries have invaded, the local culture and beliefs were subsumed, or destroyed. The Christian church, especially the Catholic are not innocents by any means. Religion of ANY kind is a blight, because it's used as a reason to destroy whatever doesn't fit a particular paradigm

AG99, kountryking , and JM-1992894 you are making excuses for islamists and terrorists, read the Qur'an all you want but it is obvious that not all muslims interpret this Holy book the same way, some focus on the violent verses and others focus on the peaceful verses, some want shariah law implemented and some are against shariah law.

AG99 of course you will find similarities with the Bible as all three books (Bible, Torah, and Qur'an - starting with the Torah, then the Bible, and then the Qur'an) have the same sources and the same prophets, Jesus for example is considered a prophet by muslims (but not the savior nor God).

And arguing about events that happened many years ago won't help anyone, you can go back to the Crusades if you want but you know very well that christians are not that way anymore (all christians I know are peaceful). And please know the difference between a muslim and an Islamist, a muslim and a terrorist, a muslim and an extremist. Not all muslims are islamists (not even all Islamists are the same, some are more extremist then others) and most muslims are not terrorists. Some of my best friends are muslim and stand against extremists and terrorists, and denounce violence in Islam (needless to say extremists would think they are "bad muslims", while in reality it is the other way around).

The more you bash other religions inside this country, the more power you give to extremists, islamists, and terrorists.

It is radicals. There are plenty in almost every walk of life. They need to be put down.

Sickening !!! Now is the time for the UN to get a few Hughies in w/ 50 cals and clean out the bums. Don't take sides, just perserve.

joemike,

Here's a video of the event you described. The pig head is clearly visible after the first minute or so. Undeniable provocation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=XZT3ruR8GPQ

Rubin Israel does this sort of thing frequently. Last time I saw him was at Mardi Gras 2012.

Looks from here as if men who want the right to kill others for any reason are the problem, religious or not, as is clear from the above posts.....

wet willy .... hate to tell you this but the koran was written befor the bible . you have to understand that the prophit mohamid was a very violent man and pedophile and had little tolerance for anyone who was against him. the arabs that follow islam are just being like him it is sad that they do not see the truth of what he really was .

so what can you expect from savages that have a blood lust brought on by thier religion and kill anyone even members of thier own family . they destroy anything that they deem unislamic . even killing each other if they are from a different offshoot of islam like the sunnis and the @!$%#es (SP) the thing I am upset about is our goverment supports them finacialy with our hard earned money we are taxed from . the amount of muslims in this country is astronomical and they are still coming what do we do when they decide to rise up against us and dont think they are not planning this .

we need to turn our backs on them stop supporting them and send the ones here back. as bad as the catholics were and they destroyed alot too as did the jews with thier religious wars and dominace but I would rather deal with them then those crazy muslims .

One day , if you live long enough , you will read of Islamists destroying the priceless contents of the Louvre in Paris and all the cultural treasures and artifacts in Rome. This is because under Islam they are haram, i.e. , forbidden, because they were the product of non-Muslims. Only Islam and Islamic antiquity have value in their eyes ;everything else on the face of the earth will be destroyed that does not exalt Islam. The loss to mankind will be incalculable. Their destruction of historical antiquity in Afghanistan and Mali is only the beginning unless they are stopped by force , the only thing they respect.

the koran was written befor the bible

The Koran was written in 610 A.D. (at least, it was started in that year). Really. Look it up.

Devlyn13 The Qur'an was written after the Bible.

"...when was the last time you heard of Catholics, Baptists, Episcopal, Lutheran, Mormon, or Jewish people organizing to destroy ancient artifacts, try not to make excuses for these murderous scum."

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Book burnings, destruction of music CD's, arson, vandalism of businesses or destruction of places of worship by Judeo-Christians ...happens every year in different parts of the world. For proof, just Google it and you'll get thousands of hits. And there's the violent retaliation against Christians by members of other local religions in these regions that feel they were oppressed long enough or have their own agenda to push.

So long as institutionalized religion has been around and engrained so deeply in entire cultures without any secular education to counter for it, you'll have the thriving retaliation and violence of people against people justified in the name of their god, every single day, somehow, somewhen.

Atleast Christians have evolved form their violent past !

I suppose calls for gays to be killed, doctors murdered, and bombed abortion clinics are just our imagination.

Self delusion, like religion, benefits no one.

Evolved Christians is an oxymoron.

Sad. Unfortunate they don't realize they are destroying their own heritage.

Time to put charlie451 on the ignore list. Yes, we see a video of a group of overgrown thugs intentionally harassing a crowd of teenagers under the guise of religion. It's not the least bit convincing. It wasn't convincing yesterday. It's not convincing today. Tomorrow won't be any different.

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The Sphinx's nose is historically documented to have been defaced (pun intended) by a Muslim iconoclast in the 15th Century who was then hanged for vandalism. The story blaming Napoleon has little merit.

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Iconoclasm (destruction of monuments) has a long history. And both Christianity and Islam have their share of tearing down "idols" in the name of religion. And yes many of the most notable have been by Muslim groups. But there have recently been frequent attacks from Christians in Fiji against Hindus and their temples as late as 2005. This was the result of Christian intolerance and a strong movement to set up a theocratic Christian state intent on suppression.

The current Western respect for archaeological sites and religious freedom is what deters Christian extremists from engaging in iconoclasm. I have no doubt that radical groups would have no problem destroying Muslim shrines if they had the means and opportunity.

Ignorant bastards spreading their hate. It reminds me of the 6000 year old Budda statue destroyed in Afghanistan.

"AG99, kountryking , and JM-1992894 you are making excuses for islamists and terrorists"

No, I am saying not all Muslims are Islamists and terrorists, nor are Islamists and terrorists "Muslim scum." They are scum and that's all. When you lump people who destroy archeological sites and blow up buildings in with the millions of Muslims who don't do such things, you're being prejudiced. It's no different than saying all Christians are full of hate because of the actions of the Westboro Baptist Church.

I'm amazed at how some people can't even make gross distinctions, never mind subtle ones.

AG99, kountryking , and JM-1992894 you are making excuses for islamists and terrorists,

Actually quite the opposite: I think most religious people, regardless of flavor, are willfully ignorant or manipulative of the truth to justify or advance their faith.

Many of you talk about how intolerant Christians are, you should read what you posted. There is plenty of intolerance right here.

The attempt to incorporate Sharia into US civil code is rea

No, it is not real. It's a complete fabrication of the radical right wing-nuts. It simply isn't happening anywhere in the U.S. and the suggestion is delusional.

tim --------You don't have to wait for a rattlesnake to strike before you take steps to prevent it from doing so.

You don't have to wait for a rattlesnake to strike before you take steps to prevent it from doing so.

Maybe, but you don't have to prepare for an alien invasion at all. Why?

BECAUSE IT'S CRAZY.

AG99- The Koran reads a lot like the Bible because the Torah, Koran, and Bible all share common history. It's not up until much later, and even THEN the appearance of Mohammad and Jesus in these texts that the religions begin to split. It's usually a good idea to read past the first "chapter" before you attempt to give a solid and accurate book review.

And yes, all religions have taken turns dabbling in extremism and violence. It doesn't make this any more right.... my biggest issue is the silence of the Muslim community as a whole. I understand not everyone who practices Islam is a terrorist. I have Islamic friends. But silence only condones behavior, it does nothing in the way of removing from those you wish to be judged separately from.

people have been killing each other in the name of religion for the past 2000 years. funny because the three main religions say your not supposed to kill. all three have the ten commandmets given to moses. maby john lennon had it right in the song imagine

@ Captain-jack and others of their ilk:

Some one asked "If I ever heard of the Crusades.... yeah... read your history carefully (not just GOOGLE)... don't just say : See Here is a an example of Christian Atrocities.... (there is even 1 website devoted to this... which is funny... ALL of the website listing such include THE SAME ONES LISTED THE SAME WAY... VERBATIM) I like the one about the destruction of Aphrodite temple,..... which was "remodeled" to a church and finally destroyed by an earthquake in the 7th century..(geesh) Now the Crusades.... All there temples, and holy sites...left standing.... and if it wasn't for the evil Crusades... Europe (as we know it) would be speaking Arabic today.... that is a FACT....

Also Nice to dredge up history to justify today's killing... but.. Christians aren't running around today In wanton destruction of other churches... and (for the record) Don't try to quote Old Testament... you sound foolish and unlearned... We follow Christ and the New Testament in His blood.... The Old is Christian history NOT Christian present... (for we weren't called Christians until Christ came, died, and rose again) You don't have to believe but Christ IS a real historical.... how inconvenient.

One word: Bosnia.

Try not to be so self-righteous, ok?

Many of you talk about how intolerant Christians are, you should read what you posted. There is plenty of intolerance right here.

There is no good reason to be tolerant toward the disease called religion.

This should make all Muslim holy site legitimate targets of first choice. When fighting Islamic terrorists all Koran and mosques should be burned to the ground and their leaders killed. They want to set the rules, let them live and die by them.

Ed McT-2404427

This should make all Muslim holy site legitimate targets of first choice.

I would prefer to be better than they are.

Now people, you know they are really nice people, I know because they told us they are, Islam is a religion of love, peace and respect if you don't believe it ask one of them! they will tell you so, they don't lie, they don't steel, they are sexually pure, they don't do anything that would harm another human being or even a animal, they believe everyone deserves a good education and we are all equal in Allah's eyes. when you are down and sick and hungry who is it that comes to the rescue, when natural disaster's strike who is it that sends help and money? Islam right the crescent flag of hope and prosperity for all, who leads the world in modern medicine, science and technology, Islam right. I just can't wait till enough of them move in to influence our society and bring us the good life, then we too can enjoy the peace and tranquility of Sharia law and the advancement of mankind. it will be a industrial and cultural revolution and everyone will be so happy. peace be with you all and may you live to be a hundred. remember what Ray4usa says the worlds problems are the Republicans and Tea-publicans for not bending to the way of Islam.

Ed McT; feel free to gather all of your Christian brothers and sisters and go back to the Holy Lands (where you came from) and fight them on your turf - stop trying to get the USA to do your fighting for you.

I'm waiting to hear the international outcry from all the "good" Muslims, in the free countries where they're free to speak their opinions. I'm waiting....[crickets]

This should make all Muslim holy site legitimate targets of first choice.

Only if you agree with what they're doing.

Personally, I think it's reprehensible.

Isn't religion great? 99% of wars over religion. Man made religious laws.

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The point here is that KNOWING their history, and goal for worldwide domination...we had better be VERY watchful in this country where political correctness affects one's ability to use logic and reason...that Sharia Law doesn't just creep in. They are multiplying EVERYWHERE, including here! It is VERY disturbing to me how "sympathetic" our President is to their cause, while our own citizens and economy are so needy...while he does nothing but cause more harm for us.

Many Egyptians are blaming American/Obama influence on the recent CAIR sponsored Egyptian victory, under the guise of "Democracy." The Arab "Spring" is becoming an Islamic victory...and I'm not even sure Obama didn't plan for it to be.

TOO MANY MYSTERYS GOING ON HERE AND NOW! Keep up your guard.

Political Corectness in its grand scale now is becoming a form of IGNORANCE that undesirables are exploiting more than ANYONE!!!!!

Congratulations on being the first one to derail and blame Christianity for your own delusions.

BodyDouble

It's like what the christian conservatives would do here if we let them, they believe the world is 6000 years old and given the chance they will rewrite history to make furture generations believe their delusion also.

There is no rational comparison to the most extreme sects of Christianity and Judeism with run of the mill fundimentalist Islam.

There is no Christian country which executes, whips, imprisons, fines, or exiles those whom deny they are Christians, convert to another religion from Christianity, or profess no religion, or commit adultery or anyone of many other things.

Maybe you're vaguely referring to Christianity in the middle ages. Get with the present, it will make you seem somewhat informed.

Listen, the most liberal spokesman for American Islamics said plainly on several networks several months ago that " an Islamic woman cannot marry a non-moslem", period.

To..Frank""""

Islam is a few hundred centuries behind Christianity and Judaism when it comes to progress ...remember the Inquisition didn't end till the early 1800's

And the inquisition did NOT infect all of Christianity.

chefaz; you dance a mighty fancy jig there - I have some beads I'll trade you for your home and the land it sits on. Just look at how Christians claim everything as theirs - or have you missed all the "love it or leave it" posts here?

Amunaka ...remember the Inquisition didn't end till the early 1800's

Actually it's still up & running, and the current Pope used to be in charge of it during the time he was hiding pedophiles. Between 1904-1965 the Vatican simply renamed the office from the "Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Roman and Universal Inquisition" to the "Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith". It's the very same office which is currently persecuting nuns in America.

The inquisition in Spain happened because the Muslims were getting too powerful there. They were also fed up with the growing Jewish population and felt that their country was being taken over. That is why Spain has so much Islamic influence in their architecture, and where there got much of their darker skin tone.

Right, or wrong, Spain did what they had to do. It was getting dangerous to be a Christian there. Unfortunately it was very violent and cruel, and turned into an all out witch hunt as well. We could learn a lot from them and try to quell the Islamification of America in a more sane manner.

There is no Christian country which executes, whips, imprisons, fines, or exiles those whom deny they are Christians, convert to another religion from Christianity, or profess no religion, or commit adultery or anyone of many other things.

Yeah, like I said earlier, nobody expects the Inquisition.

The Spanish Inquisition was a device of the Catholic Church. Regardless of the rationale, it was wrong.

Actually Woodshed,Christians,Muslims and Jews got along better in Andalusian Spain than anywhere else at anytime.Spain,under the Moors,produced an incredible amount of scientific and artistic works.Chemistry,mathematics and architecture flowered there.The Inquistition,btw, wasn't aimed at Muslims,It was to weed out heresy among Christians.

standingwave - The Inquistition,btw, wasn't aimed at Muslims,It was to weed out heresy among Christians.

As well as weed out the few remaining Jews in hiding.

you dance a mighty fancy jig there

Where???

Keep your beads, drain. You need them more than I do. What would you like to do here??? Get into a discussion about atheistic slaughter over the years now??? That's been a bit overdone now, agreed???

@WoodShed Please read a real history book. Wherever you have gotten your history education, they have totally and completely mislead you. Also, Christians in the middle ages destroyed every pagan place of worship and murdered all who did not bow to their Christian faith. The slaughter was massive. Christianity was forced upon the populations of Europe and most of Great Britian. Later, the loving Christians forced their faith at the end of a sword on the peoples of Central and South American and even later brought it to North America and imposed it upon the natives there. I would never ever call Christianity a religion of love and peace anymore than I would Islam today. It is only after those who agreed on our godless constitution which granted freedom to believe whatever nonsense you wanted was signed did any part of Christianity, being forced to be tolerent by civil laws, become anything akin to peaceful.

@ Body double:

You Icon says it all... Lighten up dude. These "Islamists" are destroying sacred sites of their Fellow Followers of Islam. These Goons are heretical pigs - nothing more - their religion (so they claim) does not have jack squat to do with their fecal behavior. Profession of a faith does not mean you are of that faith....

Anyone who attacks a site which has no military value is a complete loser. Even most commanders would much rather keep sites and buildings intact. City bashing is out....

Peace.

Why all the talk about Christians , Jews and the Inquisition? The article in question , about which we are supposed to be commenting , is about Muslims destroying antiquities in Mali. Since their apologists on this thread cannot rationally defend the Muslim violence and destruction, their " defense " comes down to changing the subject and attacking others over events that occurred when no human alive on the earth today existed. Accordingly , their defense of the Muslims in question is hollow and worthless.

VERY well said, gary.

gary-309869 - Since their apologists on this thread cannot rationally defend the Muslim violence and destruction, their " defense " comes down to changing the subject and attacking others over events that occurred when no human alive on the earth today existed.

Is anyone here defending this violence? We're just observing that you bigoted Islamophobes seem unaware that Christians have behaved in a very similar manner, and that you seem unwilling to condemn all Christians in the same way that you condemn all Muslims.

You have a very clear double standard, as well as an ignorance of history.

skrekk -----You've unmasked yourself as a bigoted Christophobe with your continued attacks on those not the subject of this article. The article is reporting on Muslim violence and destruction of antiquities. Have you read it?

As to your gratuitous attack on the religion which is not even mentioned in the article in question, the key word you use is " have ". Christians " have " in the past committed horrendous atrocities but we live in the here and now, not hundreds of years in the past. We have no control over what people did before we were alive. We do control the present, our time , and in the present , Christians do not behave as Muslims do. The evidence of this is overwhelming and beyond dispute to any rational observer.

If Muslim violence suddenly stopped in the world today, 98% or more of religiously inspired bombings , be-headings , murder and mayhem would cease. If Christian violence suddenly stopped today no one would notice. It would be simply a rounding error in calculating total world violence inspired by religious views.

If you're interested in history , read the history of Christ and of Muhammad. Muhammad was a war lord. He attacked non-Muslims and murdered them ; he encouraged his followers to attack and murder non-Muslims and they did. He told his followers to murder those of other beliefs if they refused to submit to Islam. Needless to say , Christ did none of this and stood for the opposite.

Bottom line --- In the past Christians behaved in a way similar to how Muslims behave today, in the here and now. We live today and Muslim violence today is not excused by pointing to Christian violence in the historic past.

Bottom line --- In the past Christians behaved in a way similar to how Muslims behave today, in the here and now. We live today and Muslim violence today is not excused by pointing to Christian violence in the historic past.

I disagree. This is not about one religion or another, Islam or Christianity or Judaism. It's about extremism, in any faith. Religious extremists are the problem - Muslims in this case, Christians in others. It's nothing new. It's been a problem for centuries, and this case is no different from others, such as Bosnia, in the mid-90s - not that long ago. Somebody fire bombed an abortion clinic in Wisconsin last April. I'm guessing it wasn't Muslims.

It's about the crazy notion that God (or Allah or Yahweh or Jehovah or the Flying Spaghetti Monster) somehow has chosen certain people and wants them to kill other people in his name. That's nuts. That's the problem.

We believe in freedom of religion in this country - every religion. This isn't about Islam. It's about irrational, delusional, violent, selfish extremism. And that's everywhere, in every religion. And if we really want to do something about it, pissing off a billion peaceful Muslims by spreading lies and inciting violence and retribution is a pretty lousy strategy. In fact, it's stupid and ignorant at the same time.

So, I suggest that you stick to the subject too.

tim ----- what do you mean, " THIS isn't about " one religion or another? Read the article; it is about Muslims in Mali destroying artifacts ( United Nations World Heritage sites ) because they weren't created by Muslims. That's exactly what it is about and all it's about. We are commenting on that article on this thread , not other articles or issues.

If you want to argue comparative religions , post an article on that issue.

It's about extremists destroying artifacts. The fact that you choose to only see that they happen to be Muslims is the result of your own myopic prejudice.

tim-2799493 - We believe in freedom of religion in this country - every religion.

Unless of course you live in New York or Tennessee, where apparently it's a problem if you want to build a mosque.

And if you build it anyway, the American Taliban will try to burn it down.

Nuke the whole site and forget about all of the innocent families living there? This is the equivalent of bombing a school full of children to kill their hostage takers.

More is yet to come unless we take care of Saudi Arabia and Pakistan!

Texas.....did you just not understand what he said? You show your own ignorance with your "one STUPID utterance"...... Simply put....He was stating that the extreme sharia law is BS..... what part of that do you not get? Sharia law is about the equivalent of what the Westboro Baptists preach...

The prophet was a child molesting war lord. This is by their own records. He created a false religion to unit the tribes to fight to the death.

It is an evil religion. I would say the same regarding any religion that condones the killing of others just because they do not believe and or worship in the same manner that you do.

The sharia law is based on the hadith which was compiled mostly by a woman based a lot on what women heard the Prophet say or what they heard some relative say they heard the Prophet say. All of which is without context so you you have no idea what the Prophet said before or after that which was attributed to him. The hadith is at best nothing more than excerpts from common conversation that the Prophet had with someone and much of that is second hand information none of which is revelation which clearly removes it from being the word of God on any level if you accept the Prophet Muhammad as a true prophet of God. Only the Qu'ran is a guide and the the Qu'ran pounded that point home time and time again. The hadith is not and cannot be considered the words of Allah and therefore is not a guide for man. But, most of the sharia law is based not on the Qu'ran but on the hadith and pretty much nullified everything that Allah revealed to the Prophet. After the death of the Prophet everything they made up after that is BS. But, Islam deified the Prophet Muhammad and every little thing he did and said became a law unto them even if it conflicted with something that Allah said. In this they placed the words of the Prophet above the words of God and all that which God gave to all the prophets. Hence, the sharia law is based upon the things of man and not the things of God having its roots in a time that is fifteen hundred years old complete with all the custom and traditions of that time religiously followed by zealots who are so blind they can't see what they have done.

I scorn no one but I am a student of ALL the prophets of which I believe Muhammad was one. When you look at a picture as a whole it makes sense. To look at one small part of that picture totally removed from the historical context will of course make no sense. What we call child molesting today was common practice just a few hundred years ago let alone fifteen hundred years ago when Muhammad lived. In fact, just a few hundred years ago, in this country, it was often a common practice for fathers to instruct their daughters on sexual matters. The child most often used as an example of child molestation in Muhammad's case was the wife is whose arms he died. She never remarried choosing to continue to honor the memory of her husband for the rest of her life. She is also the one most responsiable for the hadith and probably one of the best educated women on the planet at the time. Some of the stories about Aisha would blow your mind. Her example as a Muslim woman is totally lost on those with extreme views of Islam and what it should or should not be with reguard to the treatment of women in general.

R. B. Chandler ------- With your superior knowledge of the ahadith, you need to hop a flight and head over to Afghanistan or Pakistan or Egypt and inform the Muslims there how wrong they are for revering the ahadith. They will be interested in knowing how mislead they have been for 1400 years. But , a word of caution, they may not take your corrections very well.

The sharia law is based on the hadith which was compiled mostly by a woman

Here is a link to the four hadith collection viewed as most authentic in Sunni Islam, they are all men who compiled them, as well as all the others. Your knowledge of Islam is not related with a common shared reality.

Bukhari :: Muslim :: Malik :: Dawud Hadith Collection with Search

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sharia law, is based on the teaching codified in the Quran, hadith and Sunnah (biography) of the prophet.

Howdy kpr37!

I couldn't get the link to work...I'm off to search for those hadiths you sometimes quote from.

They are already doing it jus b cuz,

Let them. The Egyptians are a barbaric people who do barbaric things. More so than I value historical artifacts, I would prefer to melt the pyramids to quarantine the area for the future generations before the Islamists destroy all of them.

All I ever see and hear of ISLAM, the supposed religion of peace, is death, destruction, bigotry, enslavement, misery, hate, and intolerance.

Let me fix that for you:

All I ever see and hear of religion is death, destruction, bigotry, enslavement, misery, hate, and intolerance.

If you think you have an all-powerful imaginary friend on your side, you're capable of almost anything, no matter how unspeakable. Belief in sky pixies is a curse on humanity.

The Flying Spaghetti Monster would welcome you with his meaty balls and noodly appendages!

Just gotta say, I love this thread....sky pixies, FSM....funny stuff.

Where would the world be without satire and sarcasm?

Thanks for the laughs.

Muslims live in peace ?

NAIVE and wishful. As 25 years of military and after 8 1/2 years of living in the heart of Islam, I can tell you that it is time for the mothering of our sons and daughters cease as the coming storm is not about your wistful peace, love and brotherhood - the flower children of the 1960's have had their day and final gasp with Obama.

No culture, religion or nation lasts long with this immature and unrealistic attitude and policies we have presently. In a word, they may not like us, even hate us and even fear us, but always respect us - with Obama's New World Order, we are no longer feared but laughed at by powers that matter...Syria reflects the fact that once a word from the President would have stopped the slaughter all of you are immune from and care less about - and in those 2 facts, we are doomed on the world scene. No longer are we the island nation - like it or not, we are the world !

Not a question of if any longer, but when. Using the other religions as an excuse for Islam's march to power is simply a fool's argument or living the lie one does not want to admit to.

Either we a western civilization put a stop to this behavior and cultism or we risk far worse than 9-11, and on a global scale. Time to decide as humanity if we should allow any one group or culture to ruin the world and peace for all others. And do not give me the crap about the big bad USA - that argument is for liberal losers and those who would rather deny that they and their people or belief system is a failure.

Time to set things right and attack these barbarians, not religious or freedom fighters on their not our terms. We have been wasting lives and time and money forcing our value system on them in terms of business (globalization thanks to the Clinton drones), culture (electronic devices they cannot afford or even we need and films of low moral fiber) and military force (selected targets with expensive toys bankrupting us where iron bombs to flatten their homeland and their loved ones would have ended this behaviors 10 years ago).

We are experiencing the reaping of our foreign policy of being the nice guys on the block. Either we just give in and become overrun and converted now and pray for their mercy on us and our nation and our children, or we end this decisively with one warning and then one terrible example of our power on Earth.

There is a God regardless of its manifestation to one's sense, but denying so is another lot of losers without a soul, and meaning to live at all as civilized men or women. But to kill and rape and destroy in the name of God - it is time for God's true children to wipe these beasts and their seed form the planet so not even one remains with a memory when their kind was hunted down and killed, not jailed and their homes, mosques, the very land that fed them, and livestock and waters gone that supported them are no more.

Was should be total and horrible, or never fought at all. The result of our good intentions is all around us. Either we become Rome or Greece, nation of freaks, sexual deviants and democratic selves instead of the representative republic that the majority ruled and its legions fought without mercy in lands where such behavior we see now was far worse. Is it our right to do so - a question for academically inclined cowards safe in their ideological towers back home - this is simply the same old question since the beginning of tribal civilization - survival.

Bottom line is, we destroy them, or they will destroy us. Nothing else matters.

OK, Joe and Charlie,

Sounds like a little testosterone poising is effecting your judgement. Ask Al Qaida what they think of this.

It's time we stopped using the wrong head to devise foreign policy.

And the idiots here in the West who buy into the BS that Islam is the religion of peace!

Hey, buddy, point that noodly appendage somewhere else! ;)

May his meaty balls bless you!

May his meaty balls bless you!

All your going to do is peck these here keys. Grab your Sabre off the mantle and go do somthing about it.

Adam, you act like we control what the politicians do or maybe you believe we can prevent them because you think we can "vote" them out of office. What amazes me even more is how many people still yank at the Bush chain to vent about everything. G.W. was a puppet who dump truck loads of money making the rich of the U.S. richer. Yet very little complaining about Uncle Sambamma who has shown the world that G.W. didn't know anything about funneling funds almost without any diversion from the taxpayers pockets straight to the pockets of the insanely greedy super rich that make the decisions of this country. These people try to walk a line as to if their actions will cause the people of this country to decide it has hit the point where we decide to put a stop to it and step on the bugs who put more value on $$$ than the lives of ANYONE. That line gets blurrier to them each time they think they have gotten away with fooling the public. Almost like their bulging wallets cut of blood flow to their brains. Cause they keep pushing farther and farther over that line. If they don't wise up soon, they are going to find out that they were just playing house and the real LEADERS will do what they don't want to do. LEAD.

Nothing is culture as much as religion as well. Ironic, isn't it ?

Ah yes... the religion of peace and love strikes again. They don't so much as populate an area... they infest it.

Fool. Most of the culture... art, architecture, music, etc. has its roots in religion. Some of the nastiest, self-absorbed, arrogant and defensive people I know are whiney atheists.

You know, I actually admire the "true believers" in any religion because they are very rare. It's the part-time, back-sliding, only look to their faith in times of trouble, my god is better than your god types that makes me sick!

Ralph, how many episodes in history can you recall of atheists attacking ANYTHING or ANYONE because of differences in beliefs only? Religion of ALL faiths have been used to control weak minds, to do the bidding of said religions leaders, since their formations. Regardless of whether the inspiration for its formation is base on reality or fiction. And Ralph, the way you wrote the "fool" post, it sure sounds like you were looking in a mirror, talking to yourself. Were you? P.S. Not an atheist, but getting close to hanging with 'em to get away from the brainless zombie mush heads that fill most of the pews. Actually I am done now. Not with faith in general, but with the institutions and the "I need someone to tell me what to believe" crowd.