The United States has NEVER apologized for being in a War, or times of War.

Pakistan has hurled us over plenty good in the past years. They are Traitors, killers, Terrorists and will take the opportunity at will, to close the road again. Watch.

Hillary made a huge mistake.

The US is a weak nation. Other Countries do not respect the US. We are "USED".

How much $$$$ did this cost the Government to soothe Pakistan?

If the US makes mistakes during war then its fine to apologize for them. It's not a sign of weakness, but one of courage that we can take ownership of our mistakes.

After all, isn't that what we want to teach our kids.

Maybe they can apologize for harboring Bin Laden instead of putting the doctor in jail.

Isn't that nice. Pakistan is just a bunch of stand up guys.

The apology cost us nothing and got us what we needed. Why do people see an apology as a sign of weakness? It's no skin off our noses if we do, it's not like we had to send them free jets with that apology. Having said that, for my money, we should get the hellout of Afghanistan and we won't have to apologize for anything. In the mean time we need that route to supply troops and we would also need that route to exit the country if people come to their senses and end this pointless war.

In response to Eric......... I am sure if it was Bush's administration making that apology, we would never hear the end of it. America has gotten so weak that most countries defy us and there is nothing we can do about it. Its a wonder that Clinton did not bow down to Pakistan which is the norm for Obama.

This is getting pathetic.!!!!!!!!!! This administration looks more and more pitiful by kissing the muslims butts. Get our troops out of Pakistan and Iraq and stop pussy footing around STOP the aid this country is given them. Were is the back bone of our Government.? I know Obama and his administration want to do is talk sweet nothings into these Arabs ears. That's how we'll win this war.!!!!!!!!!

War is Hell which only those who experienced it first-hand can understand. The result is the loss of life for both those used to engage the enemy as well as those on the sideline. Clinton doesn't understand either nor does Obama. It's always easy to point fingers at the other guy after the horrors begin but understanding it's brutality before hand is not something those who know nothing about it can grasp. It's amazing how Clinton who herself supported war (Iraq included) is out there apologizing for an errant air strike, kinda to little to late. I doubt the apology would seem adequate if one of those lost belonged to her.

Why are we still dealing with these nutcases at all? Pakistan is not our friend, in fact, they are our enemy....and yet...we continue to send them our taxpayer money.

As far as needing Pakistan to launch operations into Afghanistan...that solution is easy. Pack up and get everyone out of there. We are not going to "win them over".

Eric,

I am not saying that this is the case here, but in some societies apologizing at the national level is seen as weak.

Honestly there is no wining with Pakistan either way any ways so I do not see that it is an issue. If they think it was an accident, and they are good with an apology, it is fine with me.

Pakistan has nuclear weapons. There are terrorists in Pakistan. The U.S. wants to do everything it can to ensure that the nukes don't fall into the hands of those who would use them against the United States. We can't just ignore them and trust Pakistan to keep them safe.

Dude you got me Craking LMFAO... "We are sorry that after the Pakistani army shot at us we blew the hell out of them..........can we use the road now?"

Clotho, your right, Pak has nukes! So, why don't we go get them, destroy them, stop giving our money and lives for these fools and come home! India is right next door, let's stop all foreign aid to Pak and Afg, and give all that money and support to India. Let them be our 'proxy' in the region!

Earth to Hillary, Earth to Hillary! No more bass to mouth! You're beginning to look like the human centipede!

Just another group of US haters to whom the current administration has no problem of selling us out.

Add another name to the abomination that is our government:

Obama-Reid-Pelosi-Holder-Roberts-Clinton

So you really think it's Clinton apologizing on her own? Listen dummies. Don't kill the messenger.
No doubt Obooboo authorized the apology, or even ordered it.

So what's wrong with apologizing, especially when it saves us about a billion in transportation costs?

Considering that there is a 99.9% chance we probably gave them another billion of US taxpayers money, we "saved" absolutely nothing! And so my ongoing question is WHY ARE WE CONTINUING TO ALLOW THE US GOV'MINT TO SEND OUR TAX DOLLARS OUT OF THE COUNTRY? THAT IS OUR MONEY AND IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE FOR OUR EXCLUSIVE USES HERE IN AMERICA! YET THEY CUT OUR BENEFITS AND PROGRAMS TO AID OTHERS... ABSOLUTE TREASON!

Why did NATO or the US Government not apologize for Osama Bin Laden's death as Lulu pointed out. Pakistan was harboring he and his families, having tough security, knowingly for all the time, he was hunted down.

Pakistan represents the Taliban Terrorists. This Country is one of them---Hillary said she was "sorry" for the Military Deaths, but did not apologize for the US Air Strike that killed them. Sorry means nothing.

Has the US received apologies for all those who have been murdered by the Extreme Terrorists?

To Human: It would have been cheaper to go through Asia, and Russia---a new route. We are still giving billions to Pakistan--this is a small token of achievement for who?

And the Afghanistan War still rages.

"I did not have fatal relations with those soldiers!"

"OK, I'm sorry."

The Clintons are good at apologizing.

To hell with pakistan. No more money. No more support.

DisturbedLibrarian-

So what proof do you have that the United States hasn't agreed to tender money or military equipment to Pakistan as part of this "harmless apology". Let's not fool ourselves into thinking all there was to this apology was a few harmless words. It does not take months of careful negotiations to get to that end. There is more; however, it will likely not be revealed to the American public.

Not much has changed.

Human...I would never want our troops short supplied. I just don't want them picked off on this "supply route" that has been hit time after time and looted as well. How many of these supplies do you think will actually get to our soldiers? The Taliban will pick them off one by one as they promised. The best answer is to get our troops out of there and then there would be no need for another supply route.

liz-523093: Yeah, President Obama sure does "bow" to the Pakistani's, eh? Like when he had our Seal drop in there without Pakistani knowledge or permission and had Bin Laden shot right in the f#$%^ng head?!?!? You are just a right-wing traitor, plain and simple.

We're sorry- thanks for letting us back in so we can send millions of dollars worth of goods into your country and, while we're at it, here's a few billion more for your trouble and a nice kiss on your asses as well

Eric,

We should not appologize to Paki untill they send appologies our way for protecting Bin Laden for all those years. I am tired of of us giving them money hand over fist for them to spit in our face. Hillary should have told them to go pound sand.

hobbit the number is 58,268

If making an apology is NOT weak, why did it take us 8 months to swallow that lump in our throats and to do it?

This gesture was HUGE! Getting the United States to admit they were wrong...!!!

Do not make light of what this means! I'll guarantee the Paki's are not making light of it! Recordings of the phone call are probably being played right now on Al Jazera TV and radio...

How do you feel now?

We could tell Pakistan to "go pound sand", but the reality is that it was costing us much more money to transport supplies via the alternate route.

This saved us money.

How much money changed hands that we are not told about?

clotho,

"Pakistan has nuclear weapons. There are terrorists in Pakistan. The U.S. wants to do everything it can to ensure that the nukes don't fall into the hands of those who would use them against the United States. We can't just ignore them and trust Pakistan to keep them safe."

I agree.

Tea Hobbit,

"Good thing we stopped Vietnam from being a Communist country right? Oh wait no, we just lost 50,000+ American lives for something that was going to happen anyways, because it's what the MAJORITY of the Vietnamese PEOPLE wanted."

I'll just say a couple of things. First, that was was rotten from day one. Second, we'll never know how things would have turned out if it had not occurred.

Lying to our enemies is a perfectly acceptable rule here. We all know we aren't sorry, and the apology got us what we needed.

liz-523093 In response to Eric......... I am sure if it was Bush's administration making that apology, we would never hear the end of it. America has gotten so weak that most countries defy us and there is nothing we can do about it. Its a wonder that Clinton did not bow down to Pakistan which is the norm for Obama.

Actually if Bush would have apologized for his mistake in entering Iraq, I would have had a little more respect for him, but he didn't. The United states hasn't gotten weak, the reason most countries defy us is because of Bushes policies. Shoot first ask questions later. Don't get your facts straight before going into another Country and taking out their leader. As far as Obama bowing to another leader of a foreign country, that is a sign of respect one gives to another. Not a sign of weakness. I am proud of President Obama and his ability to see through the rhetoric given off by the Republicans and do the right thing every time. If he doesn't, he apologizes instead of trying to pretend it didn't happen like the Republicans love to do.

Get the troops home and close the purse. Here at home we're being told the SSI is out of money yet somehow the government has billions to flush down the toilets that are Afghanistan and Pakistan. We need the money right here.

Was there ever a doubt that Obama would apologize to our enemies? He has spent more time apologizing than leading this country, so far. Lying is his number two time consumer.

The Obama "apologizes" Republican lie, is just that a lie.

Politifact on Obama apologizing: rated as pants on fire lie.

http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2012/jan/20/ted-cruz/ted-cruz-says-obama-made-worldwide-apology-tour/

We really need to stop all aid money to Pakistan and stop issuing Visas to the Pakis to come here. The Pakis here are a national security threat anyway and they should have their Visas revoked and be sent home. No more money and no more Visas and no more apologies to the Pakis. What I really want to say about Clinton would not be posted here.

Was there ever a doubt that you would disagree with him, no matter what he does?

Bin Laden is dead and we're not going to change what Afghanistan is without a huge investment of U.S. dollars and lives. We should be out of there.

I say, if we stay in over there, then we do it right, take over everything, istall the government we want in power, or just get out of there and bring our guys and gals home and let them distroy them selfs

Pssssst liz-523093, seems you have 'conveniently' forgotten Bush apologizing to CHINA, for a U.S. EP-3 Aries II spy plane that went down within it's borders for an emergency landing after crashing into a Chinese military jet. The U.S. military men were sent home of course, but then the Chinese took their time sending that plane back to the U.S. in pieces after getting all the info they wanted.

The United States has NEVER apologized for being in a War, or times of War.

Ahhh, the United States is not at war with Pakistan. I'm not sure if the U.S. has ever apologized to allies for friendly fire incidents during time of war. But even if we have not, I see not issue in saying, "Sorry, we thought we were attacking the common enemy, instead we killed a number of your soldiers."

Some people are getting a crease in their panties because Pakistan's aims and actions are not perfectly aligned with those of the U.S.. Sorry, that happens in time of war. During WWII, we were not always in perfect agreement with the Soviets, and we knew they represented a post war danger. But we maintained the official alliance because it served our mutual interests to do so, at least until the Japanese surrendered in August of 1945.

Pakistan is not a perfect ally. But their cooperation is valuable to us in achieving our primary objectives in the region. That is why Bush worked with them. That is why Obama is working with them. That is why either Romney or Obama will work with them.

When I read some of the suggested solutions here, you'd think people were dealing with a cheating girlfriend (or boyfriend), not a complex problem involving international relations.

I wonder if there was a hummer to go along with that apologie

remember when all you war mongers start barking again, how much money it takes to supply, pay the troops, get equipment, and pay off nations to do the job, let alone acknowledge our mistakes and pay for them. And, how sad are we as a nation that saying sorry is a terrible thing to do for the mistakes we make, Lovely christian nation we have here, only when it benefits us I guess.

@Human - 'You idiots would rather we not apologize and continue short supplying our guys in the field? You would do that to our soldiers over your sense of pride? Selfish, egotistical a-holes.'

Just a educational point here, and one that has been lost in our NEW WORLD ORDER History Lessons...

Following World War II, defeated Germany was divided into 4 sections amongst the allied powers, with Berlin the Capital being likewise divided, with the intent of rebuilding the country. A Four Power transitional government, called the Allied Control Council was set to aid in the reconstruction. When Russian views differed from the other allied views on how best to rebuild Germany, the Soviets ordered ALL non Soviet forces out of Berlin in April of 1948 and thus began the Berlin Blockade. By June of that same year, ALL supply routes, that is Road, Rail, and Sea were closed off hampering allied efforts of resupply and country rebuilding. It pushed the limits, starving out not only allied forces but the local population as well. The situation was dire enough, that there were plans for invasions, armed military escorts, and even all out war.

However, another more rational, more innovative solution was reached, The only US aircraft initially available were 102 C-47's and 2 C-54 Skymasters, capable of hauling only 3.1 tons of supplies each. On June 26, the first C-47's landed at Tempelhof Airfield, foreshadowing the great operation that was to come. The mission was called "Operation Vittles", because as the General in Charge said "We're haulin' grub." It was determined that in total supplies, 3,475 tons would be needed daily, which far exceeded the capabilities of the aircraft available. In order to accomplish this feat, with the available aircraft, over 1000 sorties would be needed to fly in the required supplies. On June 28, President Truman made a statement that abandoning Berlin was out of the question. He then ordered US B-29 Superfortresses to be stationed at British airfields to show the Soviets that the Western powers were not taking this lightly.

Additional C-54s were ordered into the theatre and thus began the Berlin Airlift. On May 12, 1949, the Soviets capitulated. The blockade was over. It was decided to continue supplying Berlin by air in addition to the land routes in order to build up a sufficient supply of goods. The Airlift officially ended on
Sept. 30, 1949, fifteen months after its meager beginnings in June of '48. In total, the US delivered 1,783,572.7 tons, while 541,936.9 tons were delivered by the British totaling 2.3 Million tons from 277, 569 total flights to Berlin.C-47's and C-54's alone traveled over 92 million miles in order to do so. These
were astounding figures, considering that in the beginning it seemed impossible to even try. Nevertheless, even the greatest operation is not without risk. A total of 101 fatalities were recorded as a result of the operation, including 31 Americans, mostly due to crashes.

The moral of the above story is just 1 shining example of how a little ingenuity, stead fastness, and determination makes ANYTHING possible. IF in 1948 we could find a solution to feed, fuel, clothe, and provide medical and humanitarian assistance to an ENTIRE POPULATION as well as our own military forces, with nothing more than prop driven airplanes, then there is NO REASON WHY we can't do the same today with BIGGER, MORE EFFICIENT aircraft we have available. Our troops - make no mistake about it - will NEVER be unsupplied in a war zone. The spin that comes out of whatever room of whatever Washington office should NEVER DIMINISH what can be achieved with American Ingenuity and Determination.

It is SHAMEFUL to suggest otherwise, and serves only to destroy the morale of our soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines who are serving our country in far off lands, and especially on the eve of our Nation's Birthday...

At the end of WWII, a defeated Germany was
divided amongst the victors, the United States, the Soviet Union, Great Britain,
and France. The Soviet Union took control of the Eastern half of Germany, the
Western half was divided amongst the US, Great Britain, and France. Like the
rest of the country, the capital city of Berlin, sitting dead in the middle of
the Soviet-controlled Eastern half, was also divided into four parts, one half
being Soviet controlled, and the rest divided amongst the others. A four-power
provisional government, called the Allied Control Council, was installed in
Berlin. This union of governments was to control and rebuild the city of
Berlin.

Was there ever a doubt that Obama would apologize to our enemies? He has spent more time apologizing than leading this country, so far. Lying is his number two time consumer.

Most liberals feel that he really needs to be taking a firmer stand with Republicans. But he's too much of a nice guy. You are right, though, if he had spent less time trying to apologize to Republicans, he would have managed to accomplish a lot more.

@Dman, you got it correct, but your not going to tell those ahead of you. it doesn't make sense to them. I must admit the money part is out of whack.

Holy Smokes... Tea Hobbit up there in #1.50 is having a pretty crappy day...sheeesh, quite the rant!

We're sorry..wink wink ;)

If that freaking country had any balls..they would never give in..its all about $$$$$$$$$$$!!!!!!

To all those who say we do not apologize during times of war...... Wake up, we are not at war with Pakistan.

breada1964......no chit..but the country over their border is at war with and are the worst idiots and we need that supply route!

THINK!

Huh. #1.50 seemed like a pretty even-handed, even reasonable take on the issue at hand to me. It would be nice if more people understood that there is a bit more to international relations than just telling everyone else to go f--k themselves.

If Bush's handlers had known that, he may have gotten more from our allies.

For those who think there was nothing wrong with the apology, why did we wait 7 months before giving it? There is one thing you can be sure of, and that is that there was more than just an apology. Most likely a back payment of all of the aid that we withheld, plus a bonus of a few more billion a year.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$....speaks..makes no difference if life or death..any where on our planet..unless your new to this planet!

Those complaining about the apology don't get it. Heck, even little kids know that you are supposed to apologize when you do something wrong. And don't tell me they shot at us first. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't. Were you there?

My gripe is with this moron stating they won't charge us a "transit" fee. After we give them HOW MUCH in aid every year? I believe the correct term is "bite me."

mike277 breada1964......no chit..but the country over their border is at war with and are the worst idiots and we need that supply route!

THINK!

THINK is what you should be doing, what I said was we are not at war with Pakistan so there is no problem with apologizing for killing their people to get access to the roads. We were at fault in that instance so we should apologize. However, I also think we should stop paying them because they were harboring Osama Bin Ladin and we were paying them to assist in his capture.

Why didn't Hillary apologize months ago if indeed it was putting our troops as risk? We heard from Day 1 what a mess blocking that road has been for the war effort. Eric, your logic is that the apology was necessary to keep the road open and so why wait so long? It was because the US didn't feel it owed Pakistan an apology ERIC. So after months of haggling, they once again bowed to a terrorist country that we actually send billions to each year. I know.....Eric, your guy in the WH is brilliant.

An apology is necessary if given without pressure and honestly agreed upon and understood. Otherwise it is a false gesture and in this case given under extreme pressure and thus has no meaning.

The US has painted themselves into a corner. They can't walk away from Pakistan, they can't trust them, and they hate us and on top of that we are giving money we do not have to be twisted in the wind.

His apology has no meaning? How about saving a bunch of money and making the job easier for our troops serving on the ground? That seems like a meaning to me.

It appears that a whole lot of people think we shouldn't have offered an apology, even though we did what we apologized for, and even though we get a lot for it. That's very strange to me. Hell, I'd have been in favor of it even if we weren't at fault; it's just words, after all, and 'saving face' is worth much less to me than our soldier's lives, when dealing with a country with which we are not at war. Whatever happened to the great American Pragmatism?

I guess when folk were teaching their kids that the bible teaches us to hate gays and loose women, they forgot this little gem:

Pride goeth before a fall.

I say its time to pack up, bring all of our troops, support personnel and all of our weapons and hardware home and then just let the Arab world know that if they F__K with us ever again they get a nuke tipped ICBM or Cruise Missile or whatever delivery method we so choose shot down their throats.................PERIOD!!!!! I am so SICK AND TIRED of these wars I can't see straight, aren't you?

Its not that the US is weak, this administration is weak. Time for change.

It was time for a change when Bush was in office. Now we have the man for the job, President Obama. I realize you Repblicans lost on almost every issue you have tried to bring up, but don't go away mad, .. Just go away. lol. It's like that movie where they guy like Mit Romney says, " My names Mit Romney and I'm running for President" and then the President gets up and says, "I'm President Obama, and I AM the President." Just got to love how real life mimics the movies.

Smart foreign policy, way to go Clinton! Now our troops won't be in harm's way as much from having to screw around on unprotected routes and lives will be saved, as well as having points w/Pakistan which we MUST have working with us to succeed, even if it's limited or tenuous. This is strategy 101 and only a moron would think this is weak. Only a grunt, a dope, a rube, a toothless hillbilly dumbass would decry this and say anything but "Clinton achieved our goal with what she had to work with, for the good of this country and our interests in the region". Now we can finish up and get the F**K OUT.

BTW, well said, Snakebone!

Byron Raum,

"if he had spent less time trying to apologize to Republicans, he would have managed to accomplish a lot more."

You were referring to Obama, correct? Apologizing to Republicans?

Hell, GW Bush apologized to China, and they still kept the gwaddamned plane. Seems all the "chicken hawks" were silent about that.

Hillary does not know what is going on and she ends up as an idiot.

Look at her statements and actions on Syria!

Supply routes to NATO forces can open, Pakis will steal most of the supplies as usual and Taliban will attack now and then!

Hillary and Panetta can sing another bunch of songs on Syria or Iran!

Once again America chooses to "buy" its friends. Pakistan is a worthless piece of crap that should be blown to hell. Obama and Clinton should be ashamed that Pakistan brought them to their knees. Pay them to use a route to supply and help stabalize Afghanistan? Get the hell out of there and let Pakistan worry about it! Never give those Pakistan pieces of sh*ts another dime! Pakistan has a lawless north that their own government admits they can't control, and thats why we send drones up there to kill the "Pakistan Taliban". So Pakistan, want us to assist you? Get your cowardly asses up north and do your part has a "coalition" partner and we won't have to send drones up there at cost to the US taxpayer to do your Job!! As for all you Obama-Clinton fans, Congatulations! Your idols were forced to apologize to a third world, backward ass, terrorist hiding, bunch of scum bags! You should be proud Obama-Clinton fans!

Well one things for sure, we should still be mad as Hell at Pakistan for allowing Bin Laden to hide there. They knew he was there, shut-up before you even start. Now we say we are sorry. Get up off your knee's for Pete Sake. I do believe your sorry though. Have a lil Honor.

Nothing in the apology as worded accepted any blame on our part. Saying we were sorry for the loss of life is true they are considered an ally even though in fact they're not.

A U.S. official told NBC News that discussions to reopen the supply lines widened to include negotiations over back payment for coalition support funds, which the U.S. pays to Pakistan for operations in Afghanistan, drone strikes within Pakistan and a higher rate per container for use of the supply routes.

The most recent Pew Research Poll showed anti-Americanism at a new high in Pakistan, with 74 percent of Pakistanis polled saying they considered the U.S. to be an enemy.

This administration should listen to some Beatles' oldies - "Can't Buy Me Love" comes to mind. Since they hate us so much, why pay them to hate us?

Perhaps if Republicans had a clue about foreign policy we wouldn't be in two unpaid for wars.

He's gotten us out of one war, and is winding down the other.

Keep up.

The greatest danger to the US are the folks wanting to increase military spending as we wind down two wars.

Wow...stupid should hurt.

Oh ROFL...he did NOT get us out of Iraq.....they told us we could not stay past the deadline, which, by the way, was initially set by Bush. If you can remember the actual facts, Obama's administration was trying to negotiate to keep us there LONGER! You libs are sure tools.

Not to mention hes about to put us into another war. He lied about Gitmo,He lied about taxes, He lies about everything. And to think people here in the US just refuse to see it..... The Obama minions following blindly...

So as our fleet moves into the Persian Gulf as we speak, and your King gets us in a War with Iran, I can bet you won't have a negative thing to say about that. You only have a problem when a republican does it.

Obama did get us out of Iraq, we aren't there are we? No.

Obama was negotiating to keep trainers there. Read up.

What other war are we in Snook?

Republicans successfully kept Gitmo from closing, and they won't close it if Romney is elected.

He didn't lie about taxes, he's cut them for the middle class. The "health care tax" applies to the 1% that don't buy insurance. In short, we can pay for war but not health care for everyone?

Obama doesn't lie as much as Romney go to politifact.com and see. Obama has kept 188 promises to date.

Eric,

You really are an idiot! Bush administration had the deadline set, oblowhole did want us to stay there longer, he negotiated DOWN to some advisors. He then sent "Advisors'" into Africa to help some god forsaken place in that continent, which by the way, puts our military in yet another country, ON HIS WATCH! If you quit smoking crack long enough to have a coherent moment, you will see that as it comes out, 75% of oblowhole care WILL BE FUNDED by families and persons making less than $120,000.00! The supreme court ruled it a tax because when oblowholes lawyers were fighting the repeal, THEY had to resort to calling it a tax to get it passed as the decision was 9-0 against when it was under the "Commerce Clause." You need to educate yourself, not listen to I get a tingle matthews, or Al, I screw my race sharpton!

By the way, were you there? If not, S.T.F.U! I said that when I got back from Nam also! I have 13.5 yrs. of combat under my belt, how many do you have? Video games in your parents basement don't count!

Robert, I've never smoked crack, just do you know.

Your facts are wrong.

The only taxes raised by Obamacare are on those making $250,000 or more, NOT THE MIDDLE CLASS.

Go to politifact.com and see for yourself.

Thank you for your service, but in the US nobody gets to shut me up. It's called freedom of speech.

It's always Democrats having to clean up after Republicans when it comes to the economy and wars. Those are just facts.

if hillary kissed their butts we would be at war!

Just what in the hell would have any other president done after 9/11? Said please don't terrorize us? Hind sight is twenty twenty idiots.

Eric you are misinforned on obamacare taxes..penalty or whatever you call it.

I love when an experienced man in uniform dresses down moronic statements from a donkey who has never left the comfort of his stall. I salute you for you service to our country, Robert.

Robert-like most rightards, you are a liar. '13.5 years of combat under my belt' my A$$!!

I can't believe how naive some people can be. Eric, you need to read your history books son.

@Justredd64,

No I'm not. Go to politifact.com or factcheck.org and see for yourself.

Family of four making 30K will pay penalty/tax of near 1100 bucks..Eric. It is in the bill itself...could care less about some web based organization, they didn't write the bill.

Eric is delusional folks, please don't toy with him...

Marge & Linda,

President Obama had campaigned in part on an immediate withdrawal from Iraq, and a pivot to Afghanistan. President Bush had no policy on withdrawal at the time and this campaign rhetoric caused concern among the Republicans so Bush rode the coat tails of the withdrawal plan originally presented by candidate Obama. The withdrawal plan was at the insistence of the Iraq government and was ratified by congress, please give me some precedent for breaking the withdrawal treaty that had been agreed to by both the Iraq and United States government? Had he wanted to, President Obama could have accelerated the timetable of withdrawal from Iraq so that American troops would be out earlier than the deadline that the Bush Administration had negotiated. Instead, he announced in February 2009 that the United States would essentially be sticking with the timetable negotiated by his Republican predecessor.That decision was roundly praised by Republicans, including some of the same Republicans who are criticizing him now. Now, it appears, Republicans are attacking the President for doing something that President Bush wanted to do and for changing his previously stated position on withdrawal from Iraq, based mostly on the advice he received from his military commanders at the time.

I sure you know the reason that he did not extend the troops stay, it was because the Iraqis were demanding that any troop action could be prosecuted by the Iraq criminal system. The President being a smart man decided to opt for having the largest embassy in the world with over 45,000 people assigned to the embassy. Over 1/3 of those are contractors providing security and have the shield of diplomatic immunity...........pretty smart and essentially we have 15,000 troops still there doing our work.

Eric

Of course there isn't a rise in taxes...it's an ELECTION year. The new "fees" kick in in 2014...Obamanation is just a cheap Chicago politician...lies, cheats, ignores Federal laws he was sworn to uphold...P.O.S.

I'm sending my Obamacare tax bill to Eric!!

13.5 years of combat, eh? You should be glad that the court overturned the law that penalized lying about military service, you lying piece of shat.

Oh yeah, I've been in combat for 36.78 years. Wow, it's easy to say whatever the heck you like on the internet. Anonymity + Audience = D**kwad. Robert is proof of that...

If the GOP were in power, we would be in Libya, Syria, Egypt, and countless other nations fighting with no end. I have to give credit where it is due to Obama, He stayed on the sidelines and let the people of the nations fight for their freedom and earned it the hard way, which will benefit them greatly running the country

"He didn't lie about taxes, he's cut them for the middle class. The "health care tax" applies to the 1% that don't buy insurance. In short, we can pay for war but not health care for everyone?"

hahaha...from the mouths of babes....that's some stupidazz tripe

MissionMan

calling Robert names is a violation of the COH , we will see if Tyler and Sally reprimand you , I doubt it as you are a libby party line parrot , is that a personal attack? na , more like a fact

Come on folks, you can do better than this.

Is Tyler new here? Sadly, this is a typical example of the discorse on these vines.

@KeepPushingUs: I wouldn't wish for you to be writhing on the floor in agony, that's why I'm ok with stupid not being painful. Clinton kicked butt by getting our troops back onto defended routes and it's better for them now.....I thought you guys supported our boys.... I guess not. I do! I'm glad they'll be safer and hopefully more will come home alive when Obama ends this war. Just my wish.

Hillary and many politicians are used to dancing as the lobbyists direct!

Who will with a little sense open up Paki supply lines?

Russia had agreed to let the supplies and even provide a base for NATO forces.

May be Hillarys understand only what Jewish lobbys, Saudis, oil companies speak!

Over the last 24 years republicans have been in office 12 and democrats 12. Under republicans we've invaded other countries 3 times under democrats none. Trying to blame a democrat for not winding down his predecessors war fast enough is logic only a teabagger could accept.

i'm soooowy .... soooo sooooowwwwyyyy ..

Wait that's either Barbara Watters or Barney Frank.

Hillary has proven to be rightous representation time after time. Truly ... we and this country are blessed.

Yes, because God knows that we should never apologize for doing things wrong.

How Christian, how moral................

Hey Eric, what's with the Christian stuff. The libs have been against Christians for 50 years. We are not a Christian nation anymore and I'm glad so we can quit bending over for other countries and liberal heathens. Christian's don't try to put their will on anyone, it's only libs that spout that line. Hypocrite.

It's time to take for the religion haters to start mocking izlam, because they out number Christians.

Republicans own the conservative religion. Your peddling your wares to the wrong party.

Bawbwa Wawters or Bawney Fwank. I tawt I taw dat puddy cat.

Why would we apologize for this? They shot at us and then got shot themselves. Rocky we are blessed but not because of hilliary or pakistan. Eric, Christianity has nothing to do with this. We are dealing with a corrupt out of control black market entity who can be bought at any time by anyone. The people there would love to kill our troops any chance they get. They have no morals! The Taliban show no morals and will kill their own countrymen, for driving the trucks, who are trying to feed their families. You two are naive and foolish.

----------She probably kissed the pakistan leader right on the bung while she was at it .

No, but the check for "back payments" probably helped smooth things over a bit.

Did I mention Christianity anywhere in my post? NO.

That check probably went out the same day she gave the UN the $2,000,000,000.00 for global warming as a downpayment for the $98,000,000,000.00 that is forthcoming on her promise. The US has NO say whatsoever where the money is used. That was the deal Obama and Clinton made with the UN to research global warming. The money is given to the UN and they make all the decisions. I think that all foreign aid should be cut by 50% and then screened for any more. I am for any federal candidate for any office that promises to CUT FOREIGN AID.

PEOPLE! Where the hell is all this coming money suppose to come from? Why not use the $100,000,000,000.00 for a jobs program and loan it to small business to hire people who will be paying income taxes and Social Security and Medicare? Too much common sense for ya in DC?

@ Eric, Yes you did:

Eric-913730

Did I mention Christianity anywhere in my post? NO.

#3.9 - Tue Jul 3, 2012 3:17 PM EDT

Eric-913730

Yes, because God knows that we should never apologize for doing things wrong.

How Christian, how moral................

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#3.3 - Tue Jul 3, 2012 2:50 PM EDT

I stand corrected. However, you don't have to be a Christian to have moral do you.

Hillary is a disgrace to Washington, can we impeach a SoS?

Eric, it's you liberals that keep saying the Republicans are the moral party

I think Eric was making fun of you conservatives for claiming to be Christian but refusing to do anything that Christ ordered Christians to do, but perhaps y'all are more interested in contradicting him about not mentioning Christianity and lying about liberals being against Christians, when most liberals ARE Christian. I just wanted to clear that up. Go Hillary! This was a grand foreign policy win/op which we desperately needed to finish 1 of Bush's many disasters (his bungled Afghan war/policy) and put it behind us.

Let us see how long the current Paki govt will survive!

Hillarys will have too many to kiss and she can keep doing till she is happy!

Saying we regret the Pakistani loss of life isn't an apology just stating the truth.

More like Obama was too busy appologizing FOR himself.

Foreign policy is one Obama's strong points. He's wound down two wars and gotten Bin Laden.

Romney should apologize for even attempting foreign policy.

Politifact on Obama apologizing: rated as pants on fire lie.

http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2012/jan/20/ted-cruz/ted-cruz-says-obama-made-worldwide-apology-tour/

Go ahead & just keep believing that crap Eric. It's your story, you tell it like you want to!

Obama was too busy campaigning so he sent his rival Hillary to do his dirty work for him.

It's fact checked Brian, you believe your story, or post facts.

Hilllary is the Secretary of State, it's her job, not Obama's. Seriously.

I guess bowing to the Prince of Saudi, what's next? KISSING THE POPE'S RING. HE'S AS WEAK AS HE IS A PERSON.

ROFL, Eric, you are dead wrong. Obama tried to negotiate to keep us there longer and they told us no. BTW, the deadline was initially set by Bush, not your (fool) king.

Even Republicans are grudgingly admitting that President Obama has been amazing at foreign policy. They expected him to be a lightweight, especially when it came to use of force.

Clotho, 'what Republicians'???

Linda, ROFL....keep listening to FOX news......

Obama tried to keep training forces there longer and was chastised by the Republicans that want us there longer.

Deadline set by Bush, so what. Bush got us into that mess with no WMD's, the least he could do is set a deadline for leaving.

Bashing the President isn't going to get anyone anywhere. We have only two choices next November--Obama or Romney....Which means we really don't have any choice at all. You think Romney is going to get us out of this war and heal America? Nope. I don't think so. I don't think President Obama is either. We need to have a working Congress that has some integrity....Bash away, but remember, both sides of the aisle and all branches of our govt. have to work in order for changes to be made. When do you think that might happen? Not anytime soon. This will never be about one man/woman at the helm. Our govt. isn't built like that. Our President just gives you a convenient target...When it is Congress that should be dodging the bullets.

Keep sucking wind you fool! It doesn't take a genius to say go when the Seals had Bin Laden. Everyone would've made that choice, and while obama waffled, Panetta said go! That is a fact!

I am also a veteran of the Navspecwarcom!

Politifact is a non-partisan organization that independantly verifies claims made by politicians and other sources. Stop listening to Fox news and MSNBC and go take a look at the various claims that have been made by both Romney and President Obama. See exactly who is being honest and who is not. Do some research.

you Repug apologists keep teling the lies Faux Nes and others spew fulltime and al us liberals and Democrats are sure wasting our valuable time trying to make you jerks respect facts for once, instead of fantasy and lies that the Repubs and right wingers feed the poorly educated whackjobs who stay by their television sets in mommy's basement and use the computer at other times to spout delusional lies and bull@!$%# that a child can see through. Get a new story, or at least get one that's plausible. It's not funny anymore it's boring and disgusting.

Robert, say what you want, but we already know that Romney wouldn't have given the go on Bin Laden, he said so.

Secondly, only Presidents can give a go for a military operation in a country we are not at war with.

Eric, you don't seem to understand the nature of the True Believer. When it comes to Truth, how can facts compare to beliefs? The majority of those who oppose you believe they are in daily communication with the supernatural being who created the universe, and they know how the world will end. Puny facts have nothing on such huge beliefs.

Obama is weak on defense because he's a democrat, got it? His record makes no difference; it would be True even if he nuked Syria.

It doesn't matter that the only bill he's ever signed related to guns was an expansion of that freedom, that's just a little fact. Doesn't relate to the Truth that he wants to take all our guns away.

It doesn't matter that the health care act is a public/private partnership, when the Truth is that he's a socialist, like all democrats.

It doesn't matter that he was born in Hawaii, the Truth is he's a Kenyan at heart.

It doesn't matter that we all watched congress block him from closing Gitmo. He lied about it, because the Truth is that he's a liar.

See how this works? Truth first, then interpretation of 'facts' to conform with known Truth. These are people who are so used to the Truth of their beliefs that my neighbor actually thinks it would be a sin against God to vote for a democrat. I'm guessing he got that from one of those churches which are tax-exempt because they are non-political...

@Snakebone

You nailed it!! I'm ROTFLMAO!! The "Truthers" are everywhere here in Florida. All you have to do is say "Obama" and you get yelling, screaming and foaming at the mouth like you wouldn't believe.

It's quite amazing you can type all that stuff and still have it be a load of crap. So if Obama is a Kenyan at heart, what has he done over the past 3 and a half years to turn the US into a Kenyan state? Do you mind elaborating? Would it have been a problem if his father was French?

@Rosso3 You'd have to ask the True Believers about Obama and Kenya, I'm sure they would have a lot to say. And yes, they've been quite vocal that being French is just south of being pond scum, so I'm sure it would have been a problem for them.

Sorry you missed the point. At least you understood that it is a load of crap.

Hey Robert---

"I am also a veteran of the Navspecwarcom!"

Really? Because it sounds more like you are a veteran of Call of Duty easy mode... Keep spouting your BS, mister faceless zero. I'm sure it makes you feel like a tough guy.

Snakebone, lets see Solyndra knew it was going bankrupt, Fast and Furious Terry family doesn't have the right to know what happened, closing Gitmo doesn't have the approval of Congress but that didn't seem to be a problem with Immigration, White House leaks, he's nothing more then an average politician who this time happens to be a Democrat. Liberals excuse experts. Obama as a Senator against raising the debt ceiling, changed his mind once he became President. Chastised Bush for raising debt, yet since he became President debt has risen 5 trillion, said he would cut deficit in half in first term oops missed that, has a strange way of uniting the country red blue total fool

@wlee

Yes, we get it; you hate Obama. Since your negatives are just a list of hypocrisies (as seen from the right) and worst-case interpretations used currently as right-wing talking points, I'll go out on a limb and guess that you hated Obama from the beginning, and were bound to hate him regardless of what he did.

Strange way of uniting the country indeed.

LOL, Eric, I do NOT watch FOX news. I read that here on MSN and so did most people that bother to keep up with things. Wow.......just check it out instead of being a blind follower!

If we had to apologize because we inadvertently killed their solders to get the road open, what has the Taliban done after killing civilians/police many many times over, oh I forgot they are backed by their own police and want to have the Taliban keep killing the Afghans.

That supply route is the road to Hell for our soldiers. The Taliban has committed itself to attacking our supply vehicles and troop carriers. Would you want that assignment? Maybe, Mrs. Clinton should volunteer to drive the first truck across Pakistan into Afghanistan. They will pick our drivers off at will and we will do nothing to stop it. Answer: If you do not have a war in Afghanistan, you don't need their road of tears...or them. This has been going on for seven months...we obviously have developed other supply routes. Why now? To our brave soldiers...thank you...you didn't deserve this non war and I am grateful for your courage and persistence. Mr. President and Congress: Stop this insanity and bring our troops home. They don't deserve to be blown to pieces on a road to nowhere.

Actually, I want that assignment. I was a civilian convoy driver in Iraq for four years. Best years of my life. Unfortunately, convoys in Afghanistan do not use American truck drivers.

I will never understand what makes people think that apologizing is a sign of weakness rather than a sign of maturity.

This isn't a sign of anything other than strategy. It's an empty apology. We routinely cross Pakistan borders and kill civilians in the quest to kill Al Qaeda operatives via drone attacks.

These guys that laugh about Hilary apologizing and acting like it's a sign of weakness are weak in the head. If you apologize to someone and rob their house, you call them weak? Puh-lease. We do whatever we want, the OBL raid is an example of that. We didn't even tell Pakistan, just went in and did it.

And anyone who thinks anyone would have said yes to the raid should read facts. There were more people telling Obama not to go than to do it. It was his decision to go, his decision to send extra helicopters, his decision to create the training grounds.

We pretty much own the world, and any of these apologies are just diplomatic crap.

Chris, we have allowed our own government to supply the mexicans with the weapons they have used to kill our border patrol, and yet holder and obamy have not given any apology to the American people, they are just stonewalling those seeking the truth and the black caucus with the rest of the dems walked out saying this is just a ploy.

@Yevrah Kahn

Ahh yes, because Arizona law is so great to allow anyone to purchase any numbers of weapons they want. I guess we can blame Obama for that law.

How about NRA selling thousands of guns to people and have no idea where those guns are? Oh, I guess criminal will never use those guns and their motto of "Criminals will get guns regardless" will not apply here.

Yevrah: "Chris, we have allowed our own government to supply the mexicans with the weapons they have used to kill our border patrol,"

Get with the program! Don't you know that GUNS NEVER kill people? People kill people. When you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns.

NRA does not sell guns.

Guns are available on the black market, there are many countries that will sell direct regardless as well.

What was the point of fast and furious?

If you know a guy is a gun broker than put him in jail. If you need proof, than arrest at the point of transfer. To do this you have to work with the Mexican government, which from everything I have heard was not part of this program.

If a gun shop owner is selling guns to a known gun runner and breaking the law to do it, he should be prosecuted. I do not understand why there was all this dicking around on this. Also think about this, how is it to their advantage to have these guns cross back across the border and be used against Arizona citizens? You are saying that the gun shop owners are ok with this?

Abbey Normal, yes, the gun shop owners are fine with selling hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of assault rifles to a guy on food stamps who, in the parking lot, decides that he really doesn't need them.

The correct term is "straw buyer." He uses money provided by the gun runner to purchase the weapons.

The NRA is why the laws prevent prosecutions. NRA opposes ANY law that restricts access to any gun or ammo.

If you know of a single gun control law that the NRA has supported, please share.

Yehvra, there are approximately 5,000 'gun shows' in the U.S. a year, and approximately 50 advertised gun shows from now to Dec. just in TX, NM, AZ, and CA, in which NO registration OR background checks are done. That totals out to approximately 5 million guns walking with no knowledge of who the buyer really is or what the purpose of guns purchased are, and the NRA likes it that way. There is also a law on the books called The Firearms Act, in which FELONS can apply for guns because of not being protected under the 2nd amendment. But I guess that's all okay with you.

The fast and furious program was started under the BUSH presidency!!!! Eric Holder has cooperated with congress fully, yet they hold him in contempt for doing his job, upholding Executive Privilege.

Why would they apologize for something they didn't start?! The ignorance is astounding.

adrock: what would it matter? no one int WHOLE administration has either of those items!

Excuse me but Clinton does not act unilaterally. She reflects what Obama wants her to say.

Adrock...And men have done such a swell job in making the world a better, more peaceful place, right? Your sexism is disgusting. This isn't about gender. It is about getting our troops home--and I don't give a rat's @ss the gender of the person that does that....Just bring them home and there will be no need to get picked off on that road to nowhere.

Adrock: " Why do we have women in these positions of power when they have no spine and not balls?"

Looking around the world where men of spine and balls have screwed it up so badly--perhaps we need less of both? At least give it a shot. Couldn't be any worse off--and may be much better.

Condalisa Rice was an honest and articulate Secretary of State.

No she wasn't CoCo.

The only problem I see is the lack of respect for women in Muslim society, and GTR5 I'll take Condalisa Rice over Clinton any day

...and I would take Clinton over Condoleezza "I think it was something like Osama Bin Laden determined to attack America" Rice any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Its time:

we and us ?

they and them ?

washington knows exactly what they are doing (perpetuating fear)

and your not part of their program

So------------ pay your taxes you shivering little mutt

Unfortunately I think that is how DC sees it. They and us, as in the Congressional Elite (ha) and us, the lowly, average (not deep pockets) American citizens. Best interest for the average citizens only when it benefits the elite and those on Wall St. So yup we are to shut up and just pay those taxes, the few left that actually do.

Get a clue Sam. If the Pakistani gov falls to the Taliban, they'll have lots of nukes. 1 nuclear detonation will ruin your day.

The Paki government has already fallen to the Taliban...It is going to be a competition now between Al Qeada and the Taliban...The Shiites and The Sunnis. The Pakis opened the roads to give the Taliban some good targets...Must need some supplies....Haven't been able to raid our trucks for seven months.

The Paki government has already fallen to the Taliban...It is going to be a competition now between Al Qeada and the Taliban...The Shiites and The Sunnis. The Pakis opened the roads to give the Taliban some good targets...Must need some supplies....Haven't been able to raid our trucks for seven months.

Clinton: "Quick, get me Pototbabou on the phone! I have no idea what to do next!!"

Somebody's got to guard the poppy fields.

I think the U.S. is showing that it's the better country by acting reasonably and apologizing for killing innocent civilians. We're not going to stoop to their level.

love is never having to say your sorry

Blah, blah, blah.

Obama caused this heat wave...

Obama made the tornado hit my trailer...

Jack A$$

Hey David wake up! Hes not blaming anyone, hes just making a factual statement. That kowtow specialist needs to vacate the office.

David it's no different then blaming Bush for everything, it's the politically correct thing to do

The problem is that it's NOT a factual statement by any means.

Obama practices diplomacy. He doesn't go around the world telling every country how to behave. That's not apologizing.

you got it

I don't think Pakistan agrees to drone attacks and that could still bite us in the ass.

Apparently you don't understand the situation and like kissing up to back stabbing murderers who hide the enemy and lie about it all the time.

Amen, John.

Diplomacy is fine...At the right time and place. Opening these routes means more dead soldiers. Why do that at all? Just bring the troops home and leave Afghanistan to fend for themselves. It is what they wanted. It is what they asked for. It is what their own troops have killed our "trainers" over. Give it to them. Give them their country back and then stop all aide to the Pakis. Watch from afar as they destroy each other--it is all they know and what they will do.

jim.....so right bro!

SEMPER FI

DANNY P

USMC RETIRED

Fighting in Afghanistan is like Vietnam and General George Custer in Montana. We are in a land-locked situation with a sanctuary for the enemy who can retreat to safety at will. A simple apology may hurt the ego of you right-wing chicken hawks, but it will get our supplies in and our troops out with our equipment. Big egos always gets in the way of good judgement. President Obama is the best Commander In Chief I've known in my lifetime.

Vietnam Vet, 5th Special Forces, Detachment B36.

Wow! Almost 4 years later and we are still hearing about Bush?!

Pakistan knew OBL was living there for years without saying a word, all the while cashing in on US foreign aid. And now we are apologizing to them?

So what do you suggest Hilary should have done then? Leave our troops in Afghanistan without supplies just to please your 'America is great and doesn't apologize' theory?

CoRavensFan -- it will take decades to un-clusterfrak what Bush did in 8 years. You can probably expect to hear his name brought up through the next 3 or 4 consecutive democratic presidential administrations....

Rosso, we opened up routes in other countries, MissionMan, and hopefully it won't take that long to clean up the 4 years of Obamaination

ahsumtosser, since they look at us as the enemy would you please tell them to quit immigrating here

LMAO, this site is always good for a laugh.

Yes, it's exactly the same. On an almost daily basis, we bomb Pakistan with drones. We invaded their country to blow away bin Laden, and indeed do so at will anytime we think there's Al Queda or other troublemakers. We dictate to them the size of their military, their policy towards India and Israel. We have direct access to their banking system and can freeze assets of Pakistani citizens or organizations almost at will. We control their economy through foreign aid and the IMF. And to put an end to a tempest over having bombed 24 innocent Pakistanis to death, the Secretary of State says, "oh sorry" and the Pakistanis are right back to doing our bidding.

I guess this one's from Texas, where the GOP want to outlaw critical thinking skills. Don't know why, no one there has any.

Bob, you're the only one Bob I feel safe just knowing that

This election is a choice between two visions for the future of America: One vision is for continuation of the progressive vision of a balance between equality and freedom as the moral foundation of justice, and a more recent conservative vision of an entitlement due the wealthy and the equivalence of corporations to the rights and protections of natural persons under the Constitution.

A progressive future is one in which government is a custodian of the public trust and advocates for justice; where justice is a balance between equality and freedom. Government as a custodian of the public trust means that everyone plays by the same rules and that everyone is equal before the law. Public trust means the rights of the people to preserve and protect the common property of the United States is not severable to the interests of privatization. Public trust means that a corporation has no rights except those given to it by law and does not have equal standing with a natural born person under the Constitution.

The conservative future is one of a hostile corporate takeover with privatization of government functions. The corporate takeover means that having wealth is an effective barrier to others participating in the process of government. It means that government would no longer serve the interests of the community but collaborate with the wealthy corporate owners to establish a separate set of laws that entitle them to preferential treatment while creating barriers to competition by eliminating opportunities for others.

The free market is a myth: if it isn't regulated by government to prevent fraud, it is regulated by the corporate oligarchy to prevent competition. Free means not having to go to jail for fraud and theft.

This election is a moral choice between affiliation or aggression, empathy or egotism, service or selfishness, cooperation or competitiveness.

The tale of two visions is the difference between a government of the people, by the people and for the people, and a government run by a plutocracy of corporate power.

There is no between the lines. Everyone in the world knows that Pakistan had to accept something to get their billions. The Pakistan government does nothing for its people so they take the money and spend in on themselves. Burns me up, too.

In addition to that BS news...She proceeded to ask..."Where would you like this check for 3.1 billion dollars in aid deposited?" whereupon you could hear the Pakistani's whispering...Shhhh...line your pockets and then get that road open ASAP

More like: Grab that cash boys and get those IED's ready..........Pakistan sux and trashcanistan does too.