Polonium was a favorite poison of the old KGB, although I can not see any reason why the Russians would have wanted Arafat dead. I seriously doubt that he died of radiation poisoning since this would result in very distinct symptoms that doctors at the time would not have missed. At any rate, I can not see what good will come from exhuming his body and raising questions about his death so long after the fact. All this is going to do is lead to a lot of conjecture and unfounded accusations that will accomplish nothing. It would be best to just let this go and not try and stir up some new controversy about Arafat's death.

and the problem is?

I agree with JS, there is no real reason to exhume the body this long after the fact. The only ones that would have benefited from his death were the Taliban. They did not like the fact that Arafat negotiated a peace treaty with Israel. Besides if Polonium 210 disintegrates in 138 days-it would have long since disappeared. Either way it couldn't have happened to a nicer person.

I think Sharon would be pushing up Cedars if he were poisoned already. Actually, this makes Israel, the US, and maybe the Russians look sort of bad. It's not exactly easy to make, or handle, or use. Changes form quickly, and has a fairly short half life. Maybe Iraq could have done it, but I don't really see an upside. Tracing the poison would be hard, but the number of labs that could synthesize it might be limited.

It's right up the Russian's alley, but why? He was an ally.

Very strange and suspicious.

he socked away hundreds of millions in a Swiss account; i guess they just wanted to get rid of him.

This is being dragged up to foment more unrest and build resentments that can perpertuate a 2000 year old "Jihad". I am sure there will be takers to die and avenge the death of another of histories pawns........

The Mossad learned from the KGB.

(David N.'s wife here.) @JS in SD: "Polonium was a favourite poison of the KGB .... etc." You may be on to something, as it is no secret that the Russians 'are in bed with the Iranians' (for their OIL ) who consider Palestinians as their enemy. To quote an old adage: You scratch my back, and I'll scratch yours.

This one will go down Kennedy; we will never really know whodunit.

Really NC?

Was Hitler scum?

Idiocy.

@Patsy, as I read your post again I find NO substance. Just on and on about how people know nothing. Please, please, enlighten us with your vast knowledge of the middle east and all the weaving polictical ramifications. Repost, and I can't wait to take notes.

You post says nothing to the topic, Grade is an F due to no content.

hey patsy when are you going to be fitted for your suicide bomb ?

Just more BS and propaganda...

Davsie, you might consider taking a reading for comprehension course. I said rarely. Rarely means sometimes, very few sometimes. (Just thinking you probably don't really mean to show your ignorance so easily. ;-P) Hitler does happen to be one that I would call scum.

scrambolo: Patsy spent a very long time saying not much of anything besides "you don't know enough to post on this topic." See how short that was? If you think Patsy's prose is a good example of how to write, you probably didn't do well in English class.

My pronouncement of the value of Patsy's run-on post had nothing to do with the actual content, small as it was, but like many people here, you put words in someone else's mouth and then argue with them.

(Have to go now so I'm done with this non-topic for this morning.)

OK, Now lets take a look at the real facts.

He was an avid smoker.

Polonium-210 is a carcinogen normally present in tobacco.

Obviously, his teeth, his toothbrush, and clothing that he wore for years while smoking, would be contaminated.

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/143/3603/247.abstract

Science 17 January 1964:
Vol. 143 no. 3603 pp. 247-249
DOI: 10.1126/science.143.3603.247

Polonium-210: A Volatile Radioelement in Cigarettes

Polonium-210 has long been known to be one of the elements in tobacco that may contribute to cancer.

This article is just rabble rousing, nothing more.

MSNBC - please .. try reporting NEWS.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/01/opinion/01proctor.html

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=radioactive-smoke

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/tobacco-companies-hid-evidence-radiation-cigarettes-decades/story?id=14635963

@

theCavalier

"I think Sharon would be pushing up Cedars if he were poisoned already. Actually, this makes Israel, the US, and maybe the Russians look sort of bad. It's not exactly easy to make, or handle, or use. Changes form quickly, and has a fairly short half life."

Since you obviously have no clue what the properties of this isotope are, and haven't a clue what the half-life statement means, would you please let me know how you arrived at this mis-information?

It may help me and others to see more clearly, when the wool is being drawn.

The root of all evil is money look at the trail of money and you will find the answer to his death.

I didnt realize Holder was up for "election" in 2012. LOL. Anyone who would support Holder at this point is delusional, and frankly partisan and not patriotic at all. Holder is at the very least guilty of perjury, and possibly an accomplice to Brian Terry's murder. They have already established he lied to congress about his knowledge of F&F. They have memos to Holder that predate his testimony to congress showing he did know about it.

They should exhume him immediately unless his body disappears, or maybe already has. Prediction, maybe the cemetery gets bombed? Evil MUST BE EXPOSED from wherever it comes from. Democracy becomes a farce and the powers behind it become criminals. Is this the beginning of WWIII when respect for life, freedom, democracy, and everything else we have been sold as decent turns into a big fat lie.

well, who benefited from his death, 1. his widow...2. Hamas, who inturn is connected with Iran and Syria, who is connected with Russia. If this radioactive element has a short half life then how is it that these personal articles of his are suddenly spewing it out? Me smell a widow who needs better living arrangements and new shoes.? Israel did not benefit, Lebanon did not benefit, Muslim Brotherhood? now there is someone who greatly benefited by that opening door and what and how did it's newly elected, well educated president make a living at while residing out of Egypt early on? Too many dots showing, start connecting them.

@Shoukran

A very fair surmisal, Shoukran, but you'll have to allow me time to see which "crowd" you follow before I buy into it too deeply! *wink*

Conclusion of the report from Institut de Radiophysique;

Finally, and in addition to our alpha-spectrometric analysis, we re-analyzed the raw data of the

gamma spectrometry performed on urine samples by the French government before Mr Louvet's

death. We did not detect any abnormal gamma activities. In particular, we checked the area around

the energy 803 keV that is (weakly) emitted by

210Po. We did not find any evidence of this nuclide in

the spectra.

CelticPagan, I doubt this is the great think tank you are accustomed to at the University of History. Newsvine is a blog where people state opinions based on what they have lived and seen in life which many call common sense. Jihads or holy wars have been going on since the beginning of time based on human nature alone.

I am sure the library is a cool quiet place today where you can associate with more intellectual people. I have an MBA and work to promote business, we just hired three more people who are not in the unemployment line and can support their families. Not great history material but it is a great feeling, we all have our purpose........

CelticPagan: your post 1.36 is an excellent one but sadly the brainwashed sheep won't believeit becauseit goes against what their masters tell them. Remember:

When you introduce facts to these sheep they get verbally abusive because thats their defense mechanism against the truth.

Comes right out of Israel's Dimona nuclear reactor.

This has been a very bad week for Israel and this story is just piling on.

Egypt is moving away from the Camp David Accords. If the US cuts economic and military aid to Egypt it must cut it to Israel as well. If it doesn't it will incite Egypt's military against both the US and Israel. Syria is falling into the pit from which iot cannot recover. The result will be both a destabilized Syria AND a destabilized Lebanon. Iran has just failed the last round of nuclear proliferation talks and even harsher sanctions will go into effect, starving their corrupt military. And if Arafat is found to be poisoned, every person (not just Muslims) in the Middle East will blame Israel and the Mossad.

Karma can be hell. Remember the USS Liberty.

These mysterious deaths, the poisoning of leaders, mass genocide and all the evil of mankind is as an upside down pyramid with the worst offenders on top of the sociaoeconomic ladder. It is as if infinite greed and utter hate for humanity wanting to enslave the masses is a powerful and winning strategy for survival of the wealthiest humans. You have their cheerleaders here calling anybody that questions the "official story" conspiracy theorists. These things such as poisoning, drone attacks, economic hit men, false flag attacks, funding terrorists to scare the people into giving up their freedom to military industrial corporatocracy is real. If you say anything against their wicked agenda you are an antiSemitic tin foil hat wearing drug using lunatic that forgot to take your medication. There is was and always will be a Zionist and Nazi connection to those who have been in power since 1913 and have been in and out of power since the leaders of humanity were more similar to alpha dogs. The human majority must gather together even more so than the Wobblies, Industrial Workers of the World, revolutionary soldiers to form a "more perfect union" against the insanely greedy and power seeking sub human spawn.

To both NC and Davsie:

Al Fatah was in league with the 3rd Reich. There was even an SS division made up of mostly Moslems. Arafat did take money from the "comradeship" and I can bet he got some money from the "Bormann" Accounts in Switzerland. Israel knows this and chooses not to forget this.

Of course it does not make the Human Right Abuses in the West Bank Moral, but there is no such thing as innocence when you are Homo Sapiens.... And neither side is in the right as both seem hell bent on wiping the other out.

And when it comes to histroical treatment of the Jews, the Human Race, by and large, massively sucks at that department.

@Joe, what facts? The Celtic guy is talking about the Suez Canal in an article about a guy getting wacked by toothpaste?? I don't understand people who go so far off track.

It was the Israeli's and a classic silent hit until now. Alot is going to come from this story and make the area even more volitile.

Why is MSNBC resurrecting this ugly piece of garbage terrorist scumbag now?

Who cares!

It's the 4th of July and MSNBC just had to write a story about Yasser F---ing Arafat!

Who the F__— cares about some conspiracy theory circulating around the Arab world today. Next, MSNBC will write a story about Bin Laden being alive and going around giving presents to little kids on Christmas day.

Is that your plan, MSNBC?

The man died of AIDS, there mystery solved. I'm not kidding. I really believe that he died of AIDS because that would be the only reason why it would be kept a secret so long. I'm not in any way making fun of HIV/AIDS.

TR: I googled " AL Fatah and the Third Reich and found nothing. I googled Muslims for Hitler and found the "13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Handschar (1st Croatian)". When in comes to historical treatment of the Jews, there is much more evidence of Wall Street, military industrial complex war profiteering, Jews in Hitler's Army, Bank of International Settlements, Haavara Agreement and many proofs that some Jews profited from their holocaust of other Jews. Watch "Banking With Hitler". Go to many sites such as Jews Against Zionism. Also read the Bible and find out that the the 12 tribes mercilessly killed one another. We never here of the 50 to 80 million people that died as the result of bankers, not all Jews but many, financed both sides and profited not only from the deaths of their own ethnic group but also untold number of Gypsies, over 3 million Polish Christians in the death camps. Nobody ever points out the 50 to 80 million and their suffering as if only Jews can suffer and the rest of us are Goyim chattel. Infinite greed and a power structure based on revelations 2:9 evil is not smart nor worthy of your kind words or defense of those of a certain sect of Jews. They do not include Norman Finkelstein, Gilad Atzmon or millions more Jews that protest against those Zionists that act Nazi-like. If you call me anti-Semitic you are only fooling yourself.

Congrats Mossad!

Well, if nayone still want to know whay jews feel like we need Irael to prosper, and strike back at anyone who attacks it by any means neccessary, just read the post by MNSLim.

I hope all the members of "Jews Against Zionizm" movement read it very carefully.

@Celtic Pagan: Look further back in history: the European Armistice treaty of 1918 which took Mecca away from its long-time leaders and gave it to another family: the Saudis, who have ever since kept the world destabilized so that nobody questions their authority. Look up the end of life of Lawrence of Arabia. Every country has its very bad days; it's like the pot calling the kettle black. Arafat and the other side of the peace accord both did some bad things.

The problem today is WATER. Instead of spending billions for bombs, how about de-salination plants so that Israel can have its swimming pools without taking the water from Palestinian farms. Taking water away from already arid land is self-destructive, and much worse than anything else going on.

As to Arafat's death (the topic of the article): Somebody implied that any cigarettes have polonium: but that would have to be introduced on purpose, so it is unlikely (although the tobacco industry is very evil). The rest of the speculations are also unlikely, and the widow was probably grieving and didn't want the body disturbed. But why now? People can't water or harvest their crops; starvation is real death, and some people find that as offensive as bombs; even those among the Muslims are nervous about the new regimes all over the Middle East, and may want to bring some of them into question, which brings us back to the Saudis...

Palestinians ready to exhume Arafat body after scientists find polonium on his toothbrush, clothes

What for?, everybody is happy that he is gone. He was a scum bag of major proportion.

Thank You Eli: Yes we need an Isreal nation that does it's best to follow the Universal Charter of Human Rights, treat all people no matter what color race ethnic group and religion like human beings. A single Israeli-Palestinian state is possible under any other leadership than Zionist. And yes it is certainly very likely that Mossad was involved in a poisoning plot, because as you pointed out, the ideology of a certain faction of an otherwise humane wonderful people "will strike back at anyone who 'even verbally logically using proven historical facts' attacks it by any means necessary". I rest my case to celebrate the 4th of July, knowing that the people are awakening and the noose of the Federal Reserve, military industrial war profiteers, monetary system monopolizers, will be loosened and untied. We will soon become the United States of America a free and independent nation.

Isreal nation that does it's best to follow the Universal Charter of Human Rights, treat all people no matter what color race ethnic group and religion like human beings already very much exists.

However, against those who try to destroy them they do fight by any means neccessary, that's how most people function.

As for single Israeli-Palestinina state, it will become possible the day Palestinians stop following Hamas, who made it clear that in a state ran by them there are no jews allowed.

Until then, two-state solution is the only solution.

Everyone knows Arafat was born of the Devil and everyone knows that DemonSeed is Radioactive....So, he was born Radioactive and left traces wherever he went and on everything he touched....Better check that podium at the U.N......he touched and drooled on that a few times....

(As good as any other theory on here !!!!!)

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After the Constititional Convention a woman asked Benjamin Franklin.."What have you given us, Sir ? " His reply... " A Republic ma'am, if you can keep it"

Happy Independence Day....The survival of the Republic is what is at stake in November...make no mistake about it.

Another fine job from the boys of the Mossad. Don't mess with the Jews. They have a saying...."never again." and they mean it.

Eli, in 1945 what happened in the village of deiss yasiem? Do you even know? who blew up the King David hotel? do you even know? Tell them the deeds of the IRGUN, Tell them the deeds of the STERN Gang. Do even you know? Didn't think so, just like the rest of the parrots here spreading propaganda like a russian polit bureau. re-enforcing their ignorence by complaining and collapsing the truth. Like Jack nicolson said in that movie. "you can't handle the truth"

Now now Eli: " Hamas, who made it clear that in a state ran by them there are no Jews allowed." You can go to Youtube and watch Norman Finkelstein in Palestinian territory hanging out with and speaking in front of Palestinian crowds. There are happily married Jewish and Palestinian couples.

joe blow-..(#1.56)..."Another fine job from the boys of the Mossad."

Remember the Black September Palestinian terrorists, the most radical wing of the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO), who kidnapped and murdered Israeli athletes during the Olympic Games in Munich in 1972....

Some things just take time....

Po-210 has a half-life of 138 days, so about 19 "half-lives" have passed since Arafats death. that means that only two parts per million of the original concentration still exist, I'm surprised that they found anything at all.

maybe it was put there afterwards to provoke a confrontation? (just saying that its a possibility)

Never woulda figured Arafat to use a toothbrush. Who knew?

HaHa, ok I admit it, I did it... well, I didn't actually do it but I "had" it done... ok, ok I didn't really have it done, but I thought of it. Well, I WOULD have thought of it, but someone beat me to it....

patscamoure,Celtic Pagan,please do not state facts that will confuse a lot of posters on here hat have never been out of the US but are experts on the region which most of them coult not find on a map with it written in.

And please do not mention the USS liberty, you would be suprised at the Americans,the US citizens, that I mention it to that have never heard of it and will argure with me that Israel would never do that to the US.

There is no way that exhuming the body will end well. If anything even remotely showing foul play is found the Palestinian extremists will use it as an excuse for attacks.

Israel did it? I don't think so. Israel had Arafat and the PLO surrounded many, many times and let them go.

If Israel wanted him/them killed they wouldn't have had to be sneaky about it.

This is just another attempt to stir the pot. And believe me, that pot is boiling away and will overflow shortly.

Shalom.

Just used knockoff imitation toothpaste from China from the Dollar store. Studies show all kinds of hazardous chems put in it!

@

Robert in Oregon-- very funny when reading that I thought of Maxwell Smart . lol

moshuluu

as it is no secret that the Russians 'are in bed with the Iranians' (for their OIL )

LOL!!! That's funny. Whichever country America is not in bed with in the Middle East, (for their OIL) they are hell bent on invading (for their OIL)!

OBAMA/BIDEN/HOLDER....2012!!!!

Gee, would that explain why Barry invaded Libya?

Libya produces just 2 percent of the world's oil supply, but it is some of the world's most sought-after highest quality crude. It exports 85 percent of its oil to Europeand only 5 percent to the U.S.

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/02/24/how-will-the-libyan-crisis-and-rising-oil-prices-affect-the-us/

Obama Administration: Libya Operation Has Cost More than $716 Million, Does Not Require Congressional Authorization

But a bipartisan group of ten lawmakers filed a lawsuit against President Obama and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates disputing these assertions.

“We believe that the law was violated,” said Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio. “We have asked the courts to move to protect the American people from the results of these illegal policies.”

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/06/obama-administration-libya-operation-has-cost-more-than-716-million-does-not-require-congressional-a/

Patsycamoure3

All these posters wish nothing but death on those they know nothing about. What's even more pathetic is how these posters get to vote for politicians who'll send billions upon billions of dollars to an area of the world they're so ignorant about.

Really, which country would that be? Which politician would that be?

The White House announced plans on Monday to help "Arab Spring" countries swept by revolutions with more than $800 million in economic aid, while maintaining U.S. military aid to Egypt.

In his annual budget message to Congress, President Barack Obama asked that military aid to Egypt be kept at the level of recent years -- $1.3 billion -- despite a crisis triggered by an Egyptian probe targeting American democracy activists.

Obama proposed $51.6 billion in funding for the U.S. State Department and foreign aid overall, when $8.2 billion in assistance to war zones is included. The "core budget" for the category would increase by 1.6 percent, officials said.

Most of the economic aid for the Arab Spring countries -- $770 million -- would go to establish a new "Middle East and North Africa Incentive Fund," the president said in his budget plan.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/13/us-usa-budget-foreign-idUSTRE81C1C920120213

Frankly speaking I've never seen a group of people so gullible, so easy to manipulate, as Americans who support Israel.

Sorry but Americans support muslims as much as Israel and Israel doesn’t HATE and want to destroy us! So WHO is gullible and manipulated?

I'm not going to tell you to stop voting but please don't vote for a politician based on what they tell about the Palestine-Israel issue.

That's the least you can do for yourselves, your country and for a people who've been on the receiving end of the most sophisticated US weaponry for decades on end because of the Israeli fairy-tales you've been brainwashed with.

Thank you.

Do you want to discuss the best Soviet arms to Iran in 1991 along with the world’s top technicians and scientists, including nuclear engineers….not to mention the 3 nuclear warheads purchased from Kazakhstan.

“Our objective is simply the liberation of the Palestinian soli and the establishment of a Palestinian state over every part of it, Thus the Jews must be removed and Israel must be annihilated. We can accept nothing less.”

-Yasser Arafat

This is the man to whom Israel has turned over Jericho, the Gaza Strip and more territory. They will never have peace, no matter how much land they are given.

Since our POTUS wants the Israelis to give up their land to the Palestinians….I would say that HE is the one that you have brainwashed with your fairytales!

Just more bluster and distraction, as the Pastinians haven't had a murdering crusader they can rally around since Arafat died. They're just trying to keep his image alive and nurdering example for their cause of trying to wipe out Israel.

LOL@ morons trying to pin Arafat's poisoning on Russians. Mossad offed Arafat with polonium just like they offed Litvinienko with the same stuff for double-crossing them.

I don't think of Arafat as scum, AG, so keep your bias to yourself

Another "bleeding heart" encroaching on someone's freedom of speech.

well golllleee max, its always dem durned joos done did it, huh?

Sorry, wrong end of the EM spectrum, otherwise a fair joke.

I think it was his teeth that was producing the radiation ,ever see them suckers?

Arafat should have used that brand of toothpaste most dentists recommend. Brushing with radio-active toothpaste is poor oral hygiene.

He was 75 years old at the time of his death, and probably smoked for 65 of those years.

Polonium-210 was likely in everything tha surrounded the man since he went like a chimney.

@Hatchet

Nice try but I'm pretty sure "elevated levels" means more than would be found from being a smoker.

On the other hand I wouldn't trust any items that have just been handed over for testing for a documentary.

@BP

The results do not mean that Arafat suffered radiation poisoning, François Bochud told CNN.

His research team tested Arafat's toothbrush, clothing and keffiyeh, the trademark black-and-white scarf he always wore, Bochud said.

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"We have evidence there is too much polonium, but we also have hints from the medical records that this may not be the case. The only way to resolve this anomaly would be by testing the body," said Bochud, director of Institut de Radiophysique in Lausanne, Switzerland

This is all a ruse. He WAS NOT POISONED !!!

He had a massive stroke, likely due to age, smoking, stress, and declining health. He was 75 years old.

They intentionally did not release the levels of the amount they found. This is still the case as of 4 hours ago.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/04/world/meast/switzerland-arafat-polonium/index.html

They found an "unexplained amount of polonium-210," he said, cautioning: "We are testing tiny quantities so it is difficult to measure and not conclusive."

Bochud did not specify how high the levels were or what level would be dangerous.

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He looks like a rat..they should also check for rat posion

It's very interesting to see, from a political stand-point, who's pro-Israel and who's pro Muslim. Yes, you can determine a person's political affiliation (without it being named), just by reading the comments! Very revealing!!

Those who respect Israel as a long-time ally, seem to be at odds with those who lean favorably towards the Muslim world and--(interesting enough--the same people who defy comments made that the POTUS is muslim vs him being christian...) Hmmmm....."vedy IN-tedesting!"---as Artie Johnson used to say on "Laugh-In"~

I now have the full analytical report.

Table 1. Results of activity measurements of Mr Louvet belongings using gamma spectrometry.

The symbol < means lower than the detection limit ot the measuring facility.

Activity in Bq

# Description of the sample Co

C‐60 Cs‐134 Cs‐137 Pb‐210

1 Kefieh < 0.6 < 0.6 < 0.6 < 19

2 Sportswear < 0.2 < 0.2 < 0.2 < 3

3 Hat < 0.2 < 0.2 < 0.2 < 3

4 Clothing, including underwear < 0.3 < 0.3 < 0.3 < 4

5 Sports bag (full) < 2 < 2 < 2 < 30

7 Clothing, including underwear < 0.7 < 0.7 < 0.7 < 20

8 Russian chapka (3) and cap < 0.5 < 0.5 < 0.5 < 3

9 Drugs – part 1 < 0.4 < 0.4 < 0.4 < 5

10 Drugs – part 2 < 0.6 < 0.7 < 0.7 < 10

11 Slippers and various objects < 0.7 < 0.7 < 0.7 < 10

12 Various objets (glasses) < 0.3 < 0.3 < 0.4 < 5

I have published the full 17 page report on Newsvine.

Images have been omitted, but the copy is otherwise fully intact, and un-abridged.

"I think it was his teeth that was producing the radiation ,ever see them suckers?"

I noticed that and - - it looks like he was a dipper also. Those babies were brown and I really can't see any evidence of them ever being brushed. If there was actually any evidence of radiation poisoning it probably came from that filthy-assed table cloth he always wore on his head. You can also rule out the possibility of him ever using any contaminated shaving cream.

@Hatchet,

Good try but no cigar. Polonium 210 has a half-life of 238 days. Arafat died in November 2004. The amounts you are citing are extremely high if you consider the half life of Po210 and the 7 and a half years of decay.

The Mossad has indeed (along with both the KGB and NKVD and arguably the CIA) used Polonium poisoning as a means of assassination in the past. Isreal has a resaearch reactor that does produce several Polonium isotopes for various industrial application.

You usually do much better than this with your posts.

@ Chris, the accepted half-life of 210 is 138, not 238, and you would have to have a better understanding of the test method to understand why that becomes near negligible after the years passing.

Feel free to read the test results I have published.

Biokinetic model of

210Po and urinary excretion

The systemic biokinetic model of polonium proposed by Leggett and Eckerman [1] (see Figure 2) has

been implemented in the simulation modeling tool Ecolego in order to calculate the typical retention

of

210Po in organs and tissues in case of poisoning. In the latter situation, ingestion is the most

probable route of intake. Therefore, the systemic biokinetic model was coupled to the human

alimentary tract model of ICRP 100. Absorption of

210Po is assumed to occur exclusively from the

small intestine and is characterized by the fractional intestinal absorption f

1=0.1 (inorganic form) or

f

1=0.5 (organic form). The f1 value is defined as the fraction of the activity leaving the stomach that

is subsequently transferred to blood by absorption from the small intestine. Using this model with

f

1=0.1, the daily urinary excretion after acute ingestion of 1 Bq of 210Po was determined. Based on

activity estimates of ingested

210Po in case of the poisoning of Mr. Litvinenko, the level of activity

that we might find in urine and belongings, especially underwear, in case of Mr Louvet poisoning

was estimated.

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Determination of

210Po supported by 210Pb in the most active samples

: the method is presented in
detail in supplementary material. Briefly, after

210Po electrodeposition the solution is evaporated to

dryness, HNO

3 portions are added to destroy all remaining ascorbic acid. The residue is dissolved in

10 ml 9 M HCl and this solution is passed through an anionic chromatography column (2 g of

AG1x8) to extract [PoCl

6]2-. 210Pb will pass in the elution solution which is evaporated to dryness.

The residue is dissolved in 80 ml 1M HCl and let in the refrigerator during at least 3 months (36.6%

re-growth of

210Po from 210Pb) afterwards, 50 mBq of 209Po is added and polonium is

electrodeposited on a silver disc as before.

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Finally, and in addition to our alpha-spectrometric analysis, we re-analyzed the raw data of the

gamma spectrometry performed on urine samples by the French government before Mr Louvet's

death. We did not detect any abnormal gamma activities. In particular, we checked the area around

the energy 803 keV that is (weakly) emitted by

210Po. We did not find any evidence of this nuclide in

the spectra.

Okay so does the half life count only for living flesh or does it include dead? I don't understand half life too much (I did very poorly in Science) does that mean there's a "full life"? Hatchet again thank you for the informative email response from my last question.

Current statistical data from case studies on living tissue indicate a protracted build up of 210 over periods of time, within the test subjects that are within these case studies, do not provide significant conclusive evidence to support a mean value as the mitigating factors have not been adequately addressed.

For the purpose of this study;

Half-life is the length of time that living tissue will exhibit trace elements and compounds at a level that is 50% of the peak value of concentration directly after administration and is calculable on a non uniform curve where re-introduction of said elements and compounds may be present.

The issue of re-introduction, and rate thereof, has yet to be addressed.

As an isotope, there is expected degradation of the element which has model indicated factorization, though it is unclear at this time whether these standards and measures are readily accepted by the scientific community.

@Hatchet,

Sorry for the typo. But the fact remains that Po210 has a short half-life and Arafat dies in Nov 2004, almost 8 years ago. That is just over 15 "half lifes" and even elementary math would tell you that the tests cited that show are consistent with Po poisoning given the length of time since the supposed event happened.

Actually it is better to have an understanding of how it is used in poisoning. Polonium 210 is NEVER used directly. It is a decay product of Polonium 209 which has a half-life of several years. Polonium 209 and 210 isotopes are always found together and especially when used as a poison. By measuring the tiny amounts of 210 still emitting and measuring the 209 very accurately you have the easy ability to estimate the amount of 210 at any given point in time without having to deal with the Law of Small Numbers.

The forensic methodologies were created after a couple of high-profile KGB assassinations that almost went unnoticed. The prople who use it for assassinations count on the very short lifetime of Po210 to cause the evidence to "evaporate." But it is much like carbon14 dating where the half life is far, far shorter . The Polonium 210 is only produced when the 209 isotope is removed from its alpha collector and the formation of 209 starts. At least this is how it was done with Litvinenko. The way the KGB did it was to make a hollow sphere the exact size of a BB. The BB was then shot in the the victim with a spring-powered covert gun. The KGB tool Polonium 209 and placed it in a "alpha trap" similar to what is used to ship medical isotopes. No significant decay of 209 took place until the alpha trap was removed. That is how forensic scientists can determine the date of introduction into the person's body. Sometimes forensic science works a little differently than bench science --- probably due to a lack of benches at crime scenes.

The statement that Po210 is ubiquitous in the environment is exactly true. It is found in all crops fertilized with rock phosphates, and especially tobacco since it is a trace element that controls the timing of flowering in tobacco. It is also found in top end predators and sea critters that live on reefs. But where it is found in trace amounts is irrelevant to whether Arafat was poisoned with it.

The problem with your thinking is that you are assuming that Po210 can build up over time from things like smoking or eating shellfish. There is a saturation point that happens at around 400 or so days when the decay and excretion are in equilibrium with intake from natural sources.

From my reading around the Litvinenko case and several other suspected cases, it seems to be a very good choice for a poison since it is so easily overlooked. And the Mossad link is pretty obvious. "According to the book The Bomb in the Basement, several death cases in Israel during 1957–1969 were caused by Po210. A leak was discovered at a Weizmann Institute laboratory in 1957. Traces of Po210 were found on the hands of professor Dror Sadeh, a physicist who researched radioactive materials. Medical tests indicated no harm, but the tests did not include bone marrow. Sadeh died from cancer. One of his students died of leukemia, and two colleagues died after a few years, both from cancer. The issue was investigated secretly, and there was never any formal admission that a connection between the leak and the deaths had existed."

It would be a very good way indeed to put Po210 in tooth paste. Ingestion would be almost immediate. And you have to remember that when Arafat was trapped in his office by the IDF that they were the ones who supplied all the toiletries, food and drink to Arafat and his staff.

There will be a lot of discussion of this but it they exhume Arafat and find extremely high levels Po209 and even trace levels of Po210, a lot of people are going to be firmly convinced that the Mossad assassinated Arafat. And just contending that is was because he smoked heavily simply will not cut it if they find levels above that can be explained of both Po209 and Po210. This could be a very, very bad thing for Israel.

I would surmise that the team wishes to have the opportunity to directly sample portions of the remaining material of the basal ganglia to extrapolate whether or not there is enough evidence to indicate where the levels may be derived from.

I personally believe that this is folly, and the results even after exhumation will remain as unclear as the current tests have shown to be.

It makes for a nice witch-hunt anyway, and provides entertainment for the world at large.

I would rather take the more viable course of discovery on the use of opiates, and the degree of factorization occurring in his demise, as it may be known to progress the possibility of massive strokes such as he succumbed.

@ Chris

http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1750-1326-1-11.pdf

Arafat was in poor health and died of natural causes (if you want to call poor habits like smoking "natural causes"). No black helicopters here. Move along.

Arafat died in 2004. The Lausanne Institute tested his cloting,toohbrush,hairbrush,his scarf WHEN? Polonium 210 disintegrates in 138 days -(not in corpses) and specimens allegedly done on Arafat's urin.blood,saliva and sweat (in the clothing,scarf). PA is asking UN to investigate Arafat's murder by Polonium 210 (as in Lukashenko's in London- who was buried in a heavy metal casket so that plutonium 210 would not cause health hazards to others and poison the very ground). It is then imperative to exhume Arafat and have a real post mortem- forensic. Paris military hospital citing patient confidentiality has not listed the cause of death. Arafat was in good health (al Jazeera) but resusciate the old tv reells to show his drooling.lisping,tremors (like Parkinson's or 3rd stage syphilis particular to ME when contracted while young) By the way= Palestinian Authority is bankrupt- they cannot pay the salaries for their employees- about 60-70% of population-any wonder?

they are not just looking at it now, it's been suppressed since day one. must be that liberal media i hear so much about lol

I doubt it would have taken much to do the job. Less then a gram.

"How much polonium is in tobacco? In 1968, the American Tobacco Company began a secret research effort to find out. Using precision analytic techniques, the researchers found that smokers inhale an average of about .04 picocuries of polonium 210 per cigarette. The company also found, no doubt to its dismay, that the filters being considered to help trap the isotope were not terribly effective. (Disclosure: I’ve served as a witness in litigation against the tobacco industry.)

A fraction of a trillionth of a curie (a unit of radiation named for polonium’s discoverers, Marie and Pierre Curie) may not sound like much, but remember that we’re talking about a powerful radionuclide disgorging alpha particles — the most dangerous kind when it comes to lung cancer — at a much higher rate even than the plutonium used in the bomb dropped on Nagasaki. Polonium 210 has a half life of about 138 days, making it thousands of times more radioactive than the nuclear fuels used in early atomic bombs.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/01/opinion/01proctor.html

Is it therefore really correct to say, as Britain’s Health Protection Agency did this week, that the risk of having been exposed to this substance remains low? That statement might be true for whatever particular supplies were used to poison Mr. Litvinenko, but consider also this: London’s smokers (and those Londoners exposed to secondhand smoke), taken as a group, probably inhale more polonium 210 on any given day than the former spy ingested with his sushi."

Hope he's wrapped in a towel and not just his head....

I think someone wants his head towel..for there own..for he is one of the more well know towel heads

Hatchet-101

"How much polonium is in tobacco? In 1968, the American Tobacco Company began a secret research effort to find out. Using precision analytic techniques, the researchers found that smokers inhale an average of about .04 picocuries of polonium 210 per cigarette. The company also found, no doubt to its dismay, that the filters being considered to help trap the isotope were not terribly effective. (Disclosure: I’ve served as a witness in litigation against the tobacco industry.)

A fraction of a trillionth of a curie (a unit of radiation named for polonium’s discoverers, Marie and Pierre Curie) may not sound like much, but remember that we’re talking about a powerful radionuclide disgorging alpha particles — the most dangerous kind when it comes to lung cancer — at a much higher rate even than the plutonium used in the bomb dropped on Nagasaki. Polonium 210 has a half life of about 138 days, making it thousands of times more radioactive than the nuclear fuels used in early atomic bombs.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/01/opinion/01proctor.html

Is it therefore really correct to say, as Britain’s Health Protection Agency did this week, that the risk of having been exposed to this substance remains low? That statement might be true for whatever particular supplies were used to poison Mr. Litvinenko, but consider also this: London’s smokers (and those Londoners exposed to secondhand smoke), taken as a group, probably inhale more polonium 210 on any given day than the former spy ingested with his sushi."

I'm fascinated by this, but I have a question, is this EVERY brand of cigarette? Or just ones like Marlboro (with their 1100 chemicals) I personally smoke American Spirits that have no chemicals (yes I realize the tar content is higher and that no chemicals doesn't make a "healthier" cigarette) Is this a naturally occurring chemical in a cigarette or is it added? I'm going to email this to you in case you don't see it here. I really would like to know. Thanks in advance!

@1SGFitzsWife4ID

Polonium-210 is in ALL tobacco products and varies in levels and degrees, depending much upon the method of production and processing. It is NATURALLY occuring.
Additionally, there are about 2000 chemicals that make up tobacco products, of which approximately 110 are known to cause cancer. Some of those are additives, most are not.
Please do not think that I am an anti-smoking activist, as I also smoke a pipe. I am well aware of the dangers, and make that choice for myself.

Hatchet, you are aware that Arafat most likely did not smoke American brand cigarettes. There are many brands all over the world, and quite a few, especially at that time, did not have filters. (although I doubt that a filter tip would protect someone from radiation) Then, there are the cigarettes that people roll themselves. Don't forget that the Palestinians, specifically Araftat, got money and goods from Russia. Maybe the tobacco came from there and received radiation from one of the nuclear plants there. He also purchased arms through many dealers all over the world. He was also all over parts of the ME. Perhaps one of his own didn't like that he was going through the motions of making peace with Israel.

Thank you Hatchet I replied to your email, and just to make sure no one jumps on you, I never considered you an anti-smoking activist, I'm just not good with science and I appreciate your help in making it clearer to me.

@ 1SGFitzsWife4ID

My pleasure.

@ Mercury

You may want to refresh and read through some of the other posts of mine, as well as Chris's.

Polonium210 also occurs naturally in the enviorment in small amounts.

@ John Nettles

That may hold true for many areas, however...

Background: 210Po concentrations exceeding 1 Bq/L in drinking-water supplies have been reported from four widely-separated States where exposure to it went unnoticed for decades. The radionuclide grandparents of 210Po are common in sediments and segments of the public may be chronically exposed to low levels of 210Po in drinking water or in food products from animals raised in contaminated areas. Objectives: To summarize information on the environmental behavior, biokinetics and toxicology of 210Po and identify the need for future research. Methods: Potential linkages between environmental exposure to 210Po and human-health effects were identified in a literature review. Discussion: 210Po accumulates in the ovaries where it kills primary oocytes at low doses. The ovary may be the critical organ in determining the lowest injurious dose for 210Po because of its radiosensitivity and tendency to concentrate 210Po. 210Po also accumulates in the yolk sac of the embryo and in fetal/placental tissue. Low-level exposure to 210Po may have subtle, long-term biological effects because of its tropism towards reproductive and embryonic/fetal tissues where exposure to a single α particle may kill or damage critical cells. 210Po is present in cigarettes and maternal smoking has several effects that appear consistent with the toxicology of 210Po. Conclusions: Much of the important biological and toxicological research on 210Po is more than 4 decades old. New research is needed to evaluate environmental exposure to 210Po and the biological effects of low-dose exposure to it so public-health officials can develop appropriate mitigation measures where necessary.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22538346

and

Radionuclides (210Pb, 210Po, 230Th, and 232Th) and chemical Th and U were measured in water, sediments, and fish tissues (bone, muscle, and gut contents of laketrout, Salvelinus namaycush, whitefish, Coregonus clupeaformis and Prosopium cylindraceum) from four lakes in a watershed affected by U mining and milling operations at Elliot Lake, Ontario, and from control lakes in an adjacent, non-industrialized, watershed. Radionuclide concentration ratios between tissue levels and sediment and water levels were calculated. Annual radionuclide intakes and resulting doses were estimated for humans consuming fish from the watershed. Bone 210Pb levels were higher (186 mBq g(-1) dry wt in laketrout and 230 mBq g(-1) dry wt in one lake whitefish) than in muscle (< 50 mBq g(-1) dry wt in all cases), and generally higher in fish from study lakes than from controls, but no consistent differences were observed among fish species. Similarly, 210Po levels were higher in bone (208 +/- 33 mBq g(-1), in laketrout) than muscle (maximum 26 +/- 4 mBq g(-1), in laketrout), and in study lake populations compared to controls. Laketrout 210Po bone concentrations were higher than previously reported in Canada. Levels of 230Th, 232Th, and Th were below detection limits (20 mBq g(-1), 0.05 microg g(-1)) in body tissues in all fish species. Bone levels of U (14.6 +/- 3.0 microg g(-1), in lake whitefish) were higher than in muscle (most < 0.05 microg g(-1), except 0.12 +/- 0.04 and 0.08 +/- 0.03 microg g(-1) in lake whitefish) in fish from waters affected by industrial activity. In control lakes, bone and muscle levels were lower and not significantly different from each other. Muscle levels did not vary consistently with location. Concentration of 210Pb and U was seen from water and 'gut' material (taken as a surrogate for diet) to bone in laketrout and whitefish, and of U from water to muscle in whitefish, but in no case from sediments to tissues. Human intakes of 210Pb, 210Po, 230Th, 232Th, and U from consuming one meal of fish (375 g) per week could, in aggregate, represent an annual effective dose < 15% of the public dose limit (5 mSv). Monitoring biota living near the decommissioned Elliot Lake U operations, especially of 210Pb levels in fish muscle, with further assessment of human doses attributable to local fish and other animals in the diet, should continue. Because radionuclide effects on fish health (and on other non-human organisms) are of increasing concern, neoplasms, malformations, and reproductive anomalies in local fish deserve examination.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15093313

So we can effectively state that some sampling of Canadian Lake trout and Whitefish around the area of Elliot Lake, Ontario, Canada may contain 4 times the amount of 210 than were observed in the aliquots sampled from Arafat.

These fish are still considered safe for consumption, though the aggregate consumption levels still require more testing.

Had Arafat been effectively poisoned with 210, his anabolic levels, and post mortem results should have shown levels nearer 600+, not 49 mBq/g, which coincidentally happens to be the 210Pb introduction amount to re grow the 210Po.

Eating 3 of the aforementioned laketrout would yield higher results than the aliquots sampled from Arafat.

Plenty of tar build up though.

Bush did it

If there's a link between Russia and Isreal, it has got to be the best kept secret of all time. A link between Russia and some of the more militant members of the PLO seems more probable. They always said that he had someone sample his food before he ate it. Sounds like he probably had good reason not to trust fellow muslims. Should have had somebody sample his toothpaste too ! Bet he sure had some clean, white teeth when he met up with his 72 virgins though.

It is NOT Obama's fault. (Unless it's something good, just ask him.)

LOL link between russia and Isfake? russians migrate there every day. it's a race to keep palistinaians from out birthing them and taking over the kenessit. thats why they are failing economics, more people then the resources can handle so they go into west bank, steal the water and land and then wonder why palistinians hate them, lmfao fun fact: the Oslo accords made it possible for the water authority in the west bank to be controlled by isfake.

Jerry c the only problem with his 72 virgins is they were all men.

THe Bush/Obama comments are just so lame and unoriginal. At least come up with something new if you want to post dreck.

Russia??? Oh, yes, Russia is the nation that supports Israel unconditionally... It's the former KGB that is tied to the Mossad, not the CIA... Are you crazy or just stupid?

Like an aliance between North Korea and India. Hm. Doesn't pass the laugh test.

Personally, I like to use Colgate.

I don't know why his widow is calling this attention to herself. If I were her, I'd take my billions and keep a low profile before someone comes after me for the money I stole.

N- that's my question at the time of his death she refused an autopsy, why bother now?

Perhaps they should investigate how Arafat managed to acquire a personal fortune of over a billion dollars. Mohammed Rashid, an aide to Arafat was convicted of corruption and embezzlement this month. He said in his defense that the charges were politically motivated to divert attention from Abbas, who has stolen millions.

Amazing , all of these guys manage to accumulate fortunes yet pretend to help the poor and mistreated folks. Right now, Arafat's wife is living large with all luxuries and comforts of the rich, yet.....a question remains. Where is the money ?

That must be why they awarded him the Laureate of Nobel Peace Prize. That organization has such a wild sense of humor.

the Nobels have become a JOKE... No way Al Gore and Obama should have received that prize... It cheapens the real prize winners - such as the Dalai Lama, Aung San Suu Kyi, amongst others.

That's a very good possibility with precedence. http://www.theonion.com/articles/terrorist-has-no-idea-what-to-do-with-all-this-plu,1847/

This particular poison acts like a heavy metal in the body. They may not even have noticed any symptoms of radiation. He would have had pain, chills, nausea, unconciousness and death. That could be practically anything.

That piece of @!$%# was poisoned...by looking in the mirror.

Dig the @!$%# up, Millions of people need a place to take a piss and that's what he's worth.

'He would have had pain, chills, nausea, unconsciousness and death. That could be practically anything.'

kinda like when his wife handed the her latest plastic surgeon and credit card bill

Now that's a view point that has possibilities to it. I like it.

Or he was 75 years old at the time of his death, had smoked for many years, and preffered to not have dimentia disclosed to the world because he wanted to be proud to be remembered for his achievements.

The polonium-210 Bullsh*t is just a publicity gaff. It spearheads the media to draw attention to the palestinian conflict, which has fallen from public eye, and the media, in recent history in favor of what news agencies deem more capable of drawing in readers.

This is why MSNBC posts this garbage now, knowing that there is no relevance, but it draws attention and readers.

NEWS PROPAGANDA !!

Arafat was doing a good job already. Clinton thought he had a peace deal worked out then Arafat walked away on the day of the signing. He was offered almost everything he was asking for then gave Israel and Clinton the middle finger.

I assure you with me it is not a case of Race. He was always stirring up the crap. War is simple to me I see good people and I see bad people. Color has nothing to do with it.

Nothing about a member of Islam is understandable until you understand Sharia. Peaceful coexistence with the infidels is never allowed. It's ok under Sharia to lie and say your trying to achieve peace, but what you mean by peace is an Islam ruled world.

J-Cubed.

You know that you lied just here....." It's ok under Sharia to lie and say your trying to achieve peace". I challenge you to prove it :>

J-cubed did NOT lie. Islam absolutely DOES allow for lying to infidels under all kinds of circumstances if it protects and advances Islam. This is easily verified by anyone who cares to be bothered to do so.

An example of Islamic deception is that Muslim activists always quote the passages of the Qu’ran from the early part of Mohammed's ministry while living in Mecca. These texts are peaceful and promote tolerance towards those that are not followers of Islam. All the while, they are fully aware that most of these passages were cancelled and replaced by passages that came after he migrated to Medina. The replacement verses reflect prejudice, intolerance, and endorse violence upon unbelievers.

Islam is NOT a religion of peace, does NOT tolerate infidels, and they believe it is not a sin to lie to them.

Just grab a koran and start reading anywhere....or better yet, get to know a moslem for awhile and see how them stab you and everyone else in the back over a short period of time. I've done it....you give it a try now....

Grilled Cheese. Actually it's your stupid comment that shows that it is you that doesn't know the history of the region. You are defending the indefensible by making wanton and unsupported charges of anti-Semitism. The history of the region is clear. Jews massacred Palestinian men, women and children to force them off their land. Some of the Jewish terrorists who were responsible for the killings of innocent Palestinians became prime ministers.

My above comment was posted in an incorrect location. I am referring to grilled's diatribe against george pauljohn. Grilled doesn't seem to be aware of the fact that Jewish terrorist groups existed.

OK there's something funny going on with this web page. Because of possible deleting of posts by MSN or the original authors, my first post above references posts that are no longer extant. I searched again for george's comment concerning the igrun and and stern gangs, and grilled's reply. Neither are on any of the current five pages.

i chose to believe the israelis, patseyc, because i don't see islam as capable of being anything more than a vehicle foe destruction. sure, tell me how most muslims are peaceful good people- doesn't matter because it is the violent anti-everyone elses who drive the policy. like germany with hitler, most germans weren't evil they just couldn't stop the evil in their midst. i believe islam and arabs are the same, unfortunately it will take war and death to rid the world of the radical islamists. it is them or us and i root for us!

mark - the post you are looking for is 4.1 and it's still there. No conspiracy.

So AfaRAT was poisoned? GOOD! He deserved that and more and I hope he died in agony.

Personally, I think it was Hamas! Look at all they have gained since his demise.

Valid point

mohammed, al jazeera, hama's, plo, mossad, quan, mecca, sharia, jihad, it's all just a bunch of man made crap, as far as i'm conserned, put pig slime & polonium on drone bomb them all, good redience

Maybe his insurance policy pays more if he's murdered.

Actually, there is one surprise revelation in this story. Who could ever imagine Arafat used a toothbrush???

Well, B3967086, Mossad is mentioned several times..................mohammud is the most false prophet of all time.

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