It really is amazing how Democrats, Republicans and the press refuse to call 10,000+ people dead from fighting a war.....

Impotent is a good way to describe Republicans and Democrats these days. The joke is that they want to tell you to vote for the less impotent one.

And Russia and China? Even better. They love when kids get killed by being hacked to pieces. Because they still won't do anything about it. Shows you as bad as it is in the US, what's it like being a kid in Russia and China and not having connections?

The press wouldn't even call this a civil war and for the most part, won't. I only give credit to the reporters risking their lives in the field, who are bringing this story despite everyone's desire to ignore children being hacked to pieces.

Part of me wonders if the refusal to call it a civil war is because calling it a civil war makes it harder to justify selling weapons and potentially getting involved and shooting off a bunch of weapons. While on the other hand...painting a picture of a Syrian government killing a bunch of civilians for no reason whatsoever, makes people want to stand up and demand that we get involved. But I admittedly don't know much about what is going on over there, so who knows.

It's not really Assad, Mubarak or Ghadafi. They have been puppets propped up by an entire small army of wealthy and powerful individuals who hide behind the facade, yet will stop at nothing to maintain their fortunate positions of internal power and influence. Such desperately need the dictator to remain in power and will back him to the death. Clearly there also winds up being second and third tiers right below or behind those closer to the dictator who also don't want their lifestyles, sense of security and insider perks to disappear. Any thought on the matter reveals this is so. There's no way just the dictator, his immediate royal family and a relative handful of loyal cohorts could sustain and win in these circumstances. This is the glue that enables the dictator to do what he does successfully. And so he intentionally has certain elements of the population in his pocket and control, if such want to keep their cushy way of life.

assad is a coward! Period! He is NO leader. Run, run really fast. No regard for life will be met with no regard for you! Those behind the mask will also be identified and dealt with. I believe in Divine Justice.

Hello Jimmy TwoTimes, you pretty much got it.

In the past year, Syria has seen a massive infusion of arms and terrorists from outside its borders. The U.S. has admitted to supplying arms and mercenaries (advisors). At the same time, the U.S. has attempted to manipulate world public opinion and exploit the chaos it unleashed in Syria.

Washington’s goal is to build up an international consensus to carry out a larger military operation against the Assad government under the cover of a “humanitarian intervention.” So far, that consensus has been lacking because the case for a military solution is based on total lies and U.S.-Israeli war propaganda, much of which has been repudiated by evidence gathered by independent journalists and eye witnesses on the ground in Syria.

Jimmy this has been pre-planned for a while, Syria has been on the list for a long time and now their time has come up. Do you really want another unnecessary war? Do you want your children fighting for another corporate war? I keep adding General Clark’s admonition of America’s plan to take over the Middle East because it is playing itself out right in front of the world! This isn’t a necessary war!

General Wesley Clark: "America will take out 7 countries in 5 years"

According to Former NATO supreme allied commander, former presidential candidate and 4 star US General Wesley Clark that they had received a memo that America is going to take out 7 countries in the Middle East starting with Iraq, Libya, Syria Lebanon Sudan, Somalia, and finally Iran. It is amazing that even if it is taking longer than originally planned, how these things that were planned years ago are being achieved in front of our eyes.

Haven’t we spread enough blood shed and death around the world? This isn’t a necessary war!

It is truly Amazing

Assad has no choices left except to kill or to be killed. For one there have been way way too many two double digit thousands and thousands of killed by the Assad's. Revenge or forgiveness is the right of those families in Al-Shams. Assad and his thugs can start counting their numbered days. His signature mustache is copy cat of Hitler's. Allah Akbar *3.

Well, we mostly hear that assad is killing civilians. Men riding around with guns sticking out windows does not sound civilian to me. Who is lying, assad or the liberal media?

Pretty much the deal here is that Syria is an ally to Russia and China. Stepping in to go against Assad complicates matters for anyone who sides with the opposition. So it is politics that are getting in the way.

Also ask yourself why is it everytime something goes wrong somewhere in the world the US has to be the ones to fix things, we have to send OUR troops to die, spend OUR money that we dont have, and when everything is said and done the rest of the world will say that everything is OUR fault.

This is a matter for Russia and China to solve, they are Syria's ally.

now they got weapon, they are defending them selves and their family's, and Army's bachar still firing on the civilian with heavy weapon "Hawn, tanks and Helicopters .." , just go to youtube you'll find who's lying, it's Bachar

'Catastrophe': Journalist behind the lines in Syria sees no end to war

Hm, what's your point?

Look at America, we have enough of our own problems. Leave Syria to the Syriens.

Next!

Hey Folks ..... Its a "Revolt" ... Civil War ..... "Revolution" .... and most conflicts of this nature aren't pretty, and are brutal & violent ... that's the nature of this type of conflict ... and people & nations choose sides for various reasons ( mostly Ideological, or financial) and have to stick their nose into it........... and pay for it later .... if their "favorite" doesn't prevail ...

This is a Syrian problem ..... there is no question that Assad is a brutal dictator, hated by large segment of his society ... BUT his party was also a compromise, to hold the various competing religious & minority interest of Syria, together. Assad also has widespread support among large segments of the population.

Whether you believe the Hegelian philosophy of "thesis, antithesis, synthesis " to be a misrepresentation of his thoughts .... one only needs to look at the revolutions of the middle east over the past few years to see viability of the premiss that he premise represents ..

In each of the cases of revolutions of the middle east, the "Thesis" (those in power) is confronted by the "Antithesis" (those demanding change) ultimately to have violent confrontation, (someone has to prevail) shaping the "Synthesis" that becomes the new "Thesis" .... to eventually be confronted by a new "Antithesis" .... and on and on. It has been going on since the beginning of time & will go on for ever ...... The "Muslim Brotherhood" may currently be the new "Thesis" in Egypt, already a new "Antithesis" is rising ....

Revolution is not kind .... when conflicts escalate to this level of violence in Syria, there needs to be a winner for the process to evolve ... at this point no one can possibly know what ultimately in store for Syria and her people ... Things can be much worse than they are ....

they are right in calling it a war but for the wrong reasons, assad is fighting islamists trying to overthrow his government like they have done elsewhere. this is not assad randomly killing civilians, the islamists are hiding behind civilians and dressing like them attacking the government and civilians hoping there is enough bloodshed to get other nations to topple assad for them, like we did in libya. there is no civil war because there is no 'civilian vs civilian', its the government trying to repel an islamic invasion. anyone ever ask why islam is spreading through violence? it was born from violence and it will forever be violent.

we really have no authority to tell any country what they should be doing, we may not like it and we can even penalize them by refusing relations but its their country not ours. if we are not going to conquer these nations we attack then there is no point in attacking them, we should have done owned most the middle east and a few other places but we are far to weak as a society to allow our nation to conquer new lands, even though we had every right under war.

Swagganaut, excellent work with the hypocrisy. We have no authority to tell any country what they should be doing, and it's their country not ours, yet we should have owned most of the middle east and a few other places, but we are far too weak as a society to allow our nation to conquer new lands, even though we had every right under war.

Nontheless, the Arab countries should furnish weapons to the "rebels". This is an Arabic issue. Allow the Muslims to fight to the finish and leave the Jews and Christians alone. Muslims hate everyone, including themselves.

Well said

You make it sound like Sunni Saudis are all there is of any significance. Few really understand Islam or it's true history, drawing false conclusions due to looking at only parts of the whole story. Islam is continually being drawn up to appear more influential and powerful than they ever have a prayer of being in practice. People think terrorism is the end all that has already entered their psyche, meaning the terrorists were already successful. "Be afraid, be very afraid!" Blah, blah, blah. Well I don't pay attention to or acknowledge empty threats of the extremist regimes and their feeble power to do anything. Why do so many insist on giving power to those who hardly warant it?

The truth is right here in the USA our leaders and power brokers rely on essentially the same tactics. They're just far more sophisticated and smooth with it to be recognizeable to the general population.

Jonathan-1982062

The problem is you are patially right.

Mohamar Khaddafi was a target for everybody. Very few liked him except for his fellow tribesmen. Assad is not a terrorist, but a reasonable multiculturalist, albeit an unapologetic dictator. The terror is carried out by his army, but Assad is suffering for it. There are a lot of good reasons to be friends of Assad, and there are also good reasons to mistrust the rebels, many are showing signs of being Islamicists.

The Saudis are paying the rebels and providing an underground source to acquire weapons. I have my doubts that the Saudi's are specifically targeting the Alawi's, but it is hard to know what is going on behind the Islamic veil of secrecy. The Wahabbi's have way too much underserved power. The Alawi are seen as collaborating with the Shia, but I am certain that is because they are both minority sects in an intollerant region that has never accepted 'herassy' (a Greek word for 'choice').

Meanwhile, the conflict is making some very strange bedfellows in an evolving proxy war. Russia and Iran are Atheist/Shia-Islamicist allies in thier support for Assad.

Perhaps the war in Syria is akin to the 30 years war in Germany where Germany became the battle ground for a series of proxy wars after the fragmenting of the 'Holy Roman Empire', which was neither holy, nor Roman, nor an empire.

If there is a factor or a nation in the region that is best suited to arbitrate a solution, I would choose Turkey. Secular choices will be the best way to mediate a fair end. Attaturk was one of the great leaders of the 20th century. The Turks should ask themselves "What would Attaturk do?". The Turks have the highest vested interest in ending the conflict.

Nobody enjoys seeing dead or dieing Syrians, but in our endless bid for political dominion, it is they who are the victims. But we must keep in mind, that it is the armed young men of Syria who are doing all the killing. It is only they who can truely stop it.

Charles: Let the Shiites and Sunnis kill each other.

It will be a breather. Otherwise, they will be making plans to kill us!

We will worry about remaining later.

If Saddam was alive, we would not have lost much.

To make monies, Saddam would have sold oil dirt cheap instead of Saudis who manipulated oil prices high!

Likes of Saddam see monies right in front unlike the bigoted and barbaric Saudis who manipulate oil prices and count windfalls!

Did you see the photo of the cute little sign one of them is holding up? They are blaming us because we have not intervened. You know what, they wanted a revoution, they got one. They can go fight it, no reason for us to keep on finishing what they started.

Elect romney, he's just itching for us to get involved with boots on the ground.

Are you nuts...do you really want Uncle Sam to reach into your wallet and help any radical MUSLIM. Get real it's there problem noy ours and never should be

Though there's few who've woken up to the modern reality, but the fact is there's no such thing anymore as, "It's their problem not ours..." Americans seem to think they can have their cake and eat it too. Acknowledging a global economy and how everything influences everyone on earth eventually in ways no one wanted to acknowledge before. Clinging to American independence and sovereignty, when forgetting our mantra is the Great American Melting Pot. Either our ancestors or this generation are immigrants. 200 odd years alone establishes no such isolationist independence as true blue Americans, per-se. The only true bonna-fide Americans of ancient decent are native tribes. We already represent the entire world, though still in a relatively primitive manner. We The People is what will be worldwide anyway. But in the process current Americans will not like what must occur first. the effectual dissolving of our borders. Not in physical terms that can be abated with barracades and fences, but in unstopable economic terms that can't be avoided at any cost.

"Behold, I come as a thief." Indeed!

One more outdated and oversimplified conclusion. Do people really think that Assad remaining in power, Libya having been left alone, Egypt and Tunisia likewise means all would still be good? For how long? Do we think this is just one more Arab Spring instance in a long history of Middle Eastern conflict without any resolve- ever? The days of what has existed in the ME and everywhere on earth are swiftly and forever changing. Can't go back to what was intolerable for a long time anyway. What did we think caused these uprisings this time? So many want the comfort of clinging to old fears. Change may be an improvement, but the unknown stirs up resistance to change. It all couldn't go on indefinately. And it's naive to assume that Egypt, Libya and Syria should stay in some perpetual fairy tale image that doesn't really exist anyway. And the bottom line with any Islamic sect that comes into power to fill the void is such will fail miserably in reflection of Islam crumbling across the board in ways Muslims continue to refuse to acknowledge. As soon as any group tries to impose Sharia Law or other oppressive measure to conform to 7th century ideals it will all blow up in their face. Ironocally it's as though Arabs don't realize how far their young people and civilization at large have moved beyond traditional Muslim influence. These growing numbers of young Arabs see Islam differently than their parents and grandparents.

@ Steve Rhan - Much of what you are saying is correct but you seem to be forgetting one factor. I agree totally that " Ironocally it's as though Arabs don't realize how far their young people and civilization at large have moved beyond traditional Muslim influence. These growing numbers of young Arabs see Islam differently than their parents and grandparents," however you need to recognize that it's the parents, the old generation, which controlls the wealth. Even in that part of the world, he (she, they, it, whatever) who controls the wealth controls society. We are still a generation away from your vision. Have you already forgotten that Afganistan was under Sharia Law when the Taliban was in power?

I agree that someday in the future this will change, but not yet.

It's not that I'm forgetting anything. I never meant to imply this would all occur overnight or a mere 5 or 10 years of Arab Spring. Furthermore, those who hold established wealth there will quickly come to nothing of significance if that wealth can no longer be used at it was before. We keep liking to forget what wealth or money really represents. Value alone. Wealth is not value any longer if the model of what's valued by the populace changes. And Afghanistan was under Sharia Law for just how long? A mere blink of an eye in historical terms. So many really believe this is all some far off condition when it's much closer in time than is recognized.

Do you have even a single shred of proof of this?? Real proof....not some 4th-hand claims or unsubstantiated ravings by someone on the internet.

Little if any proof of such would be found as you suggest. To support the potential such is actually occuring consider subversive Blackwater and other private contractor militants the US Govt. employs often, yet doesn't like to admit it. Given what's happened since 9/11, I have little doubt the US is secretly engaged in activities that even Julian Assange cannot hope to reveal. Using private contracted militants allows the US Govt. to avoid disclosure through the system. The US has been known to act on this level and has a long history of such. Why would now be any different?

Hey Jollyjoker...who cares...let them kill each other it's not our responsibility to be wasting money on any radical faction....Muslims after Muslims a darn good think...stay away USA

Only sometimes do people realize the biggest problem Islam faces that makes them far less effective or a threat than most believe. There are no true Muslims, per-se. There are only Sunnis, Shiites, Sufis and a list of offshoot sects of Islam that would all sooner destroy the others as look at them. They all regard each other as false or pseudo Muslims that are to be eliminated eventually, much like the subversive conflicts between Christian denominations who think the others are only wanna' be Christians. There's no united Umma as Muhammad stipulated. And the Islam of today Muhammad would disapprove of to no end. Islam as practiced today is feeble nonsense that comes to no effect. Most everyone outside Islam thinks the Quran is all about war and nothing else. Islam is the religion of the sword, period! Nothing could be furhter from the truth. Ah, but the truth is only what those itching ears want to hear, not the actual facts themselves. The true history of Islam and Muhammad has come out in recent years and traditional Christianity will stop at nothing to dis it again. But the truth is still the truth.

Jolly, the OWS has NOTHING to do with this. Why bring it up?

@Steve Rhan

You are a very ignorant person and have obviously never read the quran.

Muhammed came to power by killing pagens who openly accepted him and his people. He was a betrayer, a murderer, and a false prophet.

Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, the verses of violence in the Quran are mostly open-ended, meaning that they are not restrained by the historical context of the surrounding text. They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subjective as anything else in the Quran.

SO YES THEY ARE VIOLENT, YES THEIR BOOK CALLS FOR IT.

So yes the truth is the truth, and you wouldn't know it if it walked up and bit you.

Quran (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Oversimplification, again. One cannot really compare our Civil War of the 1800's with what's goin on in the ME today. We The People is unique to US, while the sort of Civil War in Syria is quite different with different motives. They don't have the concept of We The People as their foundation. So their's isn't really a Civil War between the populace. There are a relatively tiny number of elitist royalty and their loyal cohorts attached to a dictator fighting off a vast majority of oppressed commom folk who are sick of living in poverty for unwaranted reasons other that being exploited by a royal few.

Steve, we don't have the concept of We The People any longer and if Obama gets another 4 years we will see it even more. I love how we talk about others when this country is being ripped apart by a man who tramples on our constitution.

So, what you are saying is this conflict is more akin to the French Revolution? I concur. This is NOT a "civil war". This is a REVOLUTION. A revolt by the oppressed. Determined to cast off the shackles imposed by their oppressor(s). Why must the "kooks" always come up with some over-the-top delusional conspiracy theory to explain the extraordinary events that occur in our lifetime?

it is what it is..

a R E V O L U T I O N ! !

not a civil war

Not true. You have to understand why wars occur in the first place before you can make a statement like that. Eventually the reason or gain from armed conflict will come to a dysfunctional end.

"In the entire history of man there has never been one single day of world wide peace ever recorded".

You are entitled to your opinion, however, you cannot dispute my statement with any validity.

Sounds like "Idealistic Christianity"..... one might wanna Pray, that Mittens is not elected POTUS... especially, if one were not Caucasian... Hmmmm.. why does the story of, the "Land of Nod" come to my small brain..lol... Ciao

Gerard, your room temperature IQ, and intellectual ineptness are very apparent. Your comment only proves your ignorance. Ciao

Ditto Trollnuc.... how soon we forget the very same atrocities... "women and children used as Human-Shields during Our Civil-War" the Hypocrites run amuck, and lack the knowledge of "American History"... and,The History of anything, roaming tirelessly in their moronic abyss..... Ciao

Not to agree with your assessment of Obama, but they did use riot squads to break up peaceful occupy demonstrations. No doubt whatsoever that some levels of government will use violence to control American citizens.