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Claudia Daut / Reuters
An electoral worker carries a sealed ballot box for a recount of votes at a district office of the Federal Electoral Institute in Mexico City on Wednesday.
MEXICO CITY - Mexico's next president denied that his party had been involved in any form of intimidation during his party's campaign, in the wake of allegations by at least one observer that Sunday's elections were "perhaps the biggest operation of vote-buying and coercion in the country's history."
"I am totally, totally certain that the party acted within the law," Enrique Pena Nieto of the Institutional Revolutionary Party, or PRI, told a journalist from BBC News on Wednesday.
Leftist runner-up Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador has refused to concede and demanded a new tally, alleging vote-buying and coercion by the PRI, whose seven decades of rule until it lost power in 2000 were marked by widespread allegations of vote-rigging.
Preliminary results of the presidential vote showed Pena Nieto had officially won more than 38 percent of the vote, 6.5 points clear of Lopez Obrador.
NBC Latino: Meet Mexico's new President Enrique Pena Nieto
Mexico's election officials on Wednesday recounted votes from more than half the polling booths in the presidential and congressional elections.
While the PRI declared the vote had been fair, some observers said it most definitely had not been.
In a dramatic comeback for the Institutional Revolutionary Party, Enrique Pena Nieto claimed victory in Sunday's presidential election in Mexico. NBC's Mark Potter reports.
"It was neither a clean nor fair election," Eduardo Huchim of the Civic Alliance, a group funded by the United Nations Development Program, told The Washington Post.
The vote-buying was bribery on a vast scale, Huchim, a former Mexican elections official, told the newspaper. "It was perhaps the biggest operation of vote-buying and coercion in the country's history," he said.
'Another chance': Mexico's old rulers claim presidential election victory
Huchim said that the coercion his group alleged would not change the election's outcome.
Rush to grocery stores
Feeding suspicion of large-scale vote-buying were scenes of thousands of people rushing to grocery stores this week to redeem pre-paid gift cards they said the PRI had given them ahead of the election. Several told reporters they had been told to turn in a photocopy of their voter ID card in order to get the gift cards.
"If they're giving me money, then who isn't going to love them?" an unnamed woman said in one video. "Five hundred pesos is a lot of money!”
(500 pesos = $37.50)
YouTube video allegedly showing women discussing having received supermarket cards from PRI
Under Mexican election law, giving voters gifts is not a crime unless the gift is conditioned on a certain vote or is meant to influence a vote. However, the cost of such gifts must be reported, and cannot exceed campaign spending limits. Violations are usually punished with fines, but generally aren't considered grounds for annulling an election.
Shoppers nearly stripped some shelves at a Soriana store in the poor district of Iztapalapa and officials in Mexico City, which is governed by Lopez Obrador's Democratic Revolution, ordered at least one branch of the chain closed for alleged violation of safety codes.
Marco Ugarte / AP
A woman shows her pre-paid gift card while waiting in line at a Soriana supermarket in Mexico City on Tuesday. Many of the people at the supermarket say they went to redeem pre-paid gift cards they said were given them by the party that won Mexico's presidency and at least a few cardholders were angry, complaining they didn't get as much as promised, or that their cards weren't working. The incidents are inflaming accusations that the election was marred by massive vote-buying.
Both the PRI and the supermarket company denied any irregularities.
PRI spokesman Eduardo Sanchez said that "Neither the PRI's executive committee, nor Enrique Pena Nieto's campaign has contracted any service from the Soriana grocery store chain.
Asked if some other local or congressional PRI candidate could have done it on behalf of Pena Nieto, he said "I don't know."
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Humberto Fayad, a spokesman for the Soriana chain, denied the company had sold huge amounts of gift cards to the PRI.
"There is no agreement between the PRI and Soriana, or Soriana and any other political party. Soriana is a non-political company," Fayad said.
The PRI, too, accused rivals in many parts of the country of handing out groceries or using government programs to influence voters.
The governing National Action Party accused Pena Nieto's campaign of acquiring about 9,500 prepaid gift cards worth nearly $5.2 million (71 million pesos) to give away for votes. Authorities said a business had bought that number of cards, but that they had found no direct evidence of vote-buying. That investigation continues.
Party's checkered past challenges Mexico's president-elect
Lopez Obrador had asked for a recount of every vote, but the electoral institute said that just over half the polling booths for the presidential race met the necessary conditions set out by a 2007 electoral law.
That law stipulates that a recount can only be requested at a polling station where there is a gap of less than 1 percentage point between the two leading candidates, or for other "inconsistencies" that could include hard-to-read ballots.
The final presidential numbers were due on Thursday.
In 2006, Lopez Obrador demanded a recount after losing to President Felipe Calderon by slightly more than half a percentage point, or some 250,000 votes. This time he finished more than 3 million votes behind Pena Nieto.
In an interview with NBC's Spanish language network Telemundo, the apparent winner of Mexico's presidential election, Enrique Pena Nieto, spoke out about the challenges he faces. NBC's Kate Snow reports.
Electoral law did not permit a full recount in 2006 and his request was refused. Lopez Obrador then called out his supporters who launched street protests that choked Mexico City for weeks.
Msnbc.com staff, Reuters and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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and this surprises who ?
Under Mexican election law, giving voters gifts is not a crime unless the gift is conditioned on a certain vote or is meant to influence a vote
At least they are still under the impression that the President can't be bought, even if he is. Here in this country we widely accepted the fact that we are buying the President with "Citizens United"
LOL...The Democrats have been buying elections for years, The big difference is the Dems buy them with tax dollars taken from those who pay taxes and given to those who don't or union dues taken from members who have no say in who/where their dues go to.
There may have been vote buying, but the people were not going to vote for Obrador. He is a known communist and that does not sit well with the people of mexico.
The Democrats have been buying elections for years,
A lot of nerve saying that, considering how much the GOP spent re-electing Scott Walker. Just as much as President Clinton spent on his first election as PRESIDENT -whopping 60 million-
Now, he can move on to keep cutting the police force, teachers, etc.
Buying votes, just who does Pena Nieto think he is - Barack Obama?
You just do not get it do you, The GOP did not spend taxpayers money on Gov Walkers re-election, They spent money "DONATED" by contributors, The democrats however did spend the taxpayers money by forcing the re-call/re-election which they lost, They also spent money from union dues that were forcefully taken from those union members many of those who actually vote opposite of what their union does,
Last I checked Gov Walkers actions have eliminated/reduced the need for layoffs and put his state back on the road to recovery which includes making sure that those teachers and police will actually have a pension to retire on... but it's ok...Just keep spinning the lies
@irespond, and the Republicans have been doing anything different.To keep going on about Clinton is pretty retarted after all this time. This Super Pac bull is as stupid as it can get for me. They run around saying "who has the most money gets the most votes". I vote for a person not a dollar. People that have a lot of money doesn't impress me for crap. It was reported that Romney has $256,000 dollars. By the 1% standards he living in poverty.
They spent money "DONATED" by contributors
And Santa really exists
You don't seem to get the difference between "buying" votes, and "raising money". Democrats "BUY" votes by telling potential voters if you vote for me I will take money from your neighbor and employeer and give it to you through government programs.
The GOP re-elected Scott Walker with money it RAISED from people who "VOLUNTEERED" to give their money to help keep Walker in power. Democrats on the other hand took Union money that is taken from members despite their views of Walker and gave it to try and get rid of the Governor before his first term was even up.
Walker actually saved teachers and police force jobs by eliminating the collective bargaining agreements they were able to save money (balance the budget which was full of deficits from Democrats) and save jobs by having employees pay a small percentage of their own health care and pensions expenses (like everyone else does in the Private sector). Democrats and Unions were actually the ones that wouldn't work with the State and were costing teachers jobs.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/walker-s-vindication_577310.html
Last I checked Gov Walkers actions have eliminated/reduced the need for layoffs and put his state back on the road to recovery
You need to listen/read other news, besides Fox.
http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2012/mar/14/kathleen-falk/kathleen-falk-says-gov-scott-walker-cut-school-aid/
Maybe you should actually read an article before you post a link to it and claiming that it disproves something it does not.
@myspellcheckisbroken
Lopez Obrador is not a "known communist", why is it that anything different is tagged with the absurd adjective? Lopez Obrador is an old school PRI man, a populist with no regards for anything but personal power. This election was really between the old PRI, the Older PRI and the ancient PAN.
irespond,
"The Democrats have been buying elections for years, A lot of nerve saying that..."
Just wait until the total amount of money is spent on re-electing your candidate. My guess is that the first woman (not lady, in this case) has been out for almost a year trying to raise money to get the old man re-elected. If less then the GOP, fine but my guess is the democrats will way outspend the GOP. But it makes sense because they have to overcome all the reversals, promises not met and straight out lying by this amateur politician.
PS YOU need to read news other then that of democratic manufacture. YOU'RE as blind as they come which is about average for a democrat.
logicdeficiet, you dont get it, when large money contributors give to these campaign's they expect something back, it might be low taxes on oil and gas or some tax loophole. The 1% contributes money expecting a large return on it, so in effect these folks are getting welfare but with a lot more zeros behind their numbers. Public employees do need to do a better job of paying for their health and benifit packages however.
Please don't give the current administration any NEW idea's. I'm in shock everyday, Obama has been campaigning since he has been elected. There is no where on the internet I can go that I do not see him or his wife's pic saying "Are you in?" Ummmm, NO, not today No Mas, No Obama 2012.
Mexico, Mexico, Mexico. What are we going to do with you? You should follow the example of your friend and neighbor, America, in learning how it's done.
Firstly, you don't buy people outright like that! You change the laws to allow corporations to become people, and I know your argument is going to be "but people die all the time. Corporations can live forever, just like vampires". And while you're right about that, here in America we made it the law. And the law is important! And by the way... vampires aren't real people, silly. Corporations are!
Secondly, you don't hand people cards with cash value telling them they can spend the money at the store; once again you change the laws and do things legally! Changing laws, for instance, requiring every person to show a photo ID, just like the founding fathers and the early Americans had to do. That way you can purge voters who would tend to vote in a way you don't like. See? Much more democratic.
Thirdly, when someone accuses you of buying an election, you don't shrug your shoulders and tell people that it's all in their minds, no... you tell them they can't love who they want and can't plan family unless it meets with your approval first. You push forward legislation on new laws to restrict the rights of people to marry, the right to have access to birth control and family planning and make sure you eliminate affordable health care. Healthy people are happy people! You don't want them happy, you want them angry!
Geez, Mexico, you've got things so ass backwards all the time.
It looks like Enrique asked the RNC and the Romney campaign for advice on rigging an election. If at first you don't like the results just throw away 8 precincts in Iowa or don't count 20% in Maine. Or even have the electronic machines flip votes to suit the interests of the powers that be. There is no such thing as a "fair" election anymore.
Don't you worry your little head there, Tommy Lee. The Republicans don't have any new ideas. And you were worried. LOL.
"Citizens United" is vote buying. Why are we concerned about corruption in Mexico when we have corrupted capitalism to the point that all we know is wars. 11 years and the GOP wants a piece of the action in Iran.
logicdeficiet, (Please don't do the name switch, name calling thing, it is childish and people need to rise above such lame attacks) you dont get it, when large money contributors give to these campaign's they expect something back, it might be low taxes on oil and gas or some tax loophole. - So why do Democrats accept this money? BP gave more to Obama then McCain, Trail Lawyers give to Democrats over Republicans 3-1, Unions give almost 90% to Democrats candidates, and so on and so forth. Most big companies give to both parties (usually whoever is in the lead) in hopes of a sympathetic ear yes this is true, but this is not illegal, and if we had politicians who were not corrupt it wouldn't matter how much money was given to their campaign they would do what they believe not what was paid for.
The 1% contributes money expecting a large return on it, so in effect these folks are getting welfare but with a lot more zeros behind their numbers. You can do the same thing as the 1%. You and like minded people like you can pool your money and give to campaigns in large amounts in the hopes of getting a sympathetic ear. The NRA, NAACP, PETA, and other groups are nothing more then large groups of individuals who pool their money for a louder voice on a specific issue.
Public employees do need to do a better job of paying for their health and benifit packages however. I agree, during tough times you can't expect tax payers to want to give more so you the public employee don't get affected like they the tax payer has.
Businesses and groups give to politicians who already agree with them, not to try and buy favors. Oil companies give more to Republicans (in most cases not all) not because they can be bought, but because most Republicans believe we should be drilling more and getting more energy independent by using our own natural resources instead of buying from overseas. Trail Lawyers give to Democrats because democrats don't believe in Tort Reform. If you and I were to run for office we would get money from companies who think we are on their side, PETA would not give me money (although I would accept it) because they know I eat steak and would not make laws tougher on ranchers. You assume Republicans stand for things because they have been bought, and assume Democrats stand for things because it is a righteous cause, those are bad assumptions and every case should be looked at individually.
Give it, I think Enrique asked Al Franken how it's done in Minnesota. Don't like the count, well looky here! Looky Here! We just found 50,000 more votes that hadn't been turned in yet (after a month,that is). It's been said that the Republican Party has Virtue and Honesty, the Democrat's have the Printers Union and 16 penny nails. You see you take the neatly fresh printed ballots,squared off on a block of wood and punch threw the whole stack with a nail. That's how you have 50 yrs of Mayor Daley's in Chicago!
Please back this up! You have a link, or just verbal propaganda that makes you feel better about yourself? You make this stupid claim, and look foolish.
So that's how the PRI took power and the empty-headed doll got elected.
They bought the votes. The Mexican people are in trouble.
Maybe you should actually read an article before you post a link to it and claiming that it disproves something it does not.
That only proves that you did not take the time to LISTEN to the whole interview. That is the problem with the "conservatives" They do not take the time to listening to the whole story. He says it almost at the end. Yeah! you have to put up with a lot of dumb rhetoric to finally get to it.
@Ramfla
I live in MX 6 months out of the year and we know Obrador quite well. He is a known communist and it is not an insult to call a spade a spade. I assume you are an american and I know the tendency is that when you hear or read the word communist, that you think someone is slandering "your guy."
A communist is what he is and almost everyone in MX knows that, hence the reason he really had no chance of winning. He does not deny his communist policies, why do you? It is not name-calling. It is a fact. From your post, it appears that you are not familiar with politics in MX, but that is understandable since it probably does not affect your life in any way. It does in MX.
@ RamFla
I also wanted to mention that you claim Obrador is "an old school member" of the PRI. Obrador, as the article informs us, is a leftist, from the PRD, the main rival of the PRI. I know you are not familiar with politics in MX as your post makes evidently clear. In the future, please think about that before you attack someone who clearly is more knowledgeable on the matter than yourself.
I do not want this to appear as a self-righteous post. You attacked my post and myself, and I was compelled to respond with facts, and not mindless drivel or name-calling. Thank you.
"With this decision, corporations can now directly pour vast amounts of corporate money, through independent expenditures, into the electoral swamp already flooded with corporate campaign PAC contribution dollars."
Ralph Nader
I hope this simple explanation helps and guides you through the dark perils that face special needs kids. If unlimited anonymous donations to campaigns isn't allowing special interests to buy votes, I have no idea what is.
@ Rick's Deal
Reading is key buddy. I said the current admin, which unfortunately are Democrats. Well it's not so much that they are Democrats, it's that whole group, kinda remind me of the article in mention.
I live in SE AZ about six blocks from the border fence. I grew up here and people around here have always known this. Vote buying is business as usual for the PRI, and Mexican politics in general.
Spell
Just FYI
Lopez Obrador left the PRI in 1988 when they didn't give him the state nomination for governor of Tabasco. He was a vote rigging operative in Tabasco. He jumped into Cuauhtémoc Cárdenas wagon when he saw that Cárdenas had a real chance of winning (as indeed happened) against Salinas.
About Mexican Politics and History, whenever you want, we can discuss in length. Lived in the country for many years.
RamFla, it sounds like Spell may not know the difference between a socialist and a communist. Obrador does have socialistic leanings, but you are correct in that he is far from a communist.
They'd rather have a true businessman as president who knows how to create jobs. Like what Bain did as part of 3G Capital for Burger King.
Burger King is Loaded with Debt
About the only thing 3G Capital appears to have done during its short tenure as private owner is borrow $2.3 billion in order to pay itself a huge dividend of $3,931 per share in 2011 (see pages 37-38 of prospectus). I’m not impressed by the company’s new summer menu, and don’t get me started on the disgusting bacon sundae which has been called a “monstrosity” and an “abomination.” Early promises by 3G Capital to spend $500,000 per store revamping Burger King restaurants have been all but abandoned.
Cutting costs to the bone for a short-term earnings spike and loading up on debt in order to pay special dividends before going public are common practices among private-equity backed IPOs. In fact, Burger King itself has played this game more than once, each time going public at a higher valuation on IPO hype despite sagging fundamentals and then taken private again after disappointing performance causes the stock price to decline below the IPO price.
Romney is a true American and Republican.
even burnt boxes
Not only do they re-fry their beans, but they also have to recount their ballots? How about do it right the first time?!
They use to just beat up voters and intimidate them with their lives hanging in balance, or put their shops out of business. They have become more humanatarian about the process. You must be rubbing off on them. See, you are making a difference.
And we've never recounted vote here? I guess that you never heard about the Bush and Florida Fiasco.
Soriana, owned by WALMART, what a surprise.
Democrats make campaign promises that appeal to the masses for votes, Republicans make their constituents believe the one legged guy down the street is taking their stuff being on food stamps they have to pay for and that they'll put a stop to it but never do, again to get their votes. They all lie.
Nothing new about this in Mexico; Obama is trying to do the same thing in order to win another 4 years by offering amnesty for the criminals that have invaded our country over the years. Of course, Obama has always thumbed his nose at immigration law by knowingly harboring criminals in his own family.
Lets read a Fox news piece shall we? Care to respond Bigfoot62?
Bush Amnesty Plan Threatens U.S. Economy
Published January 21, 2004
FoxNews.com
Three weeks ago there was no one among Republican voters who would have said that fixing the problem of illegal immigration to the U.S. meant granting amnesty to an estimated eight million illegal aliens, the majority of whom have entered the U.S. without a visa by walking across our border with Mexico.
But that is precisely what President Bush said last week he intends to do, as he posed for pictures before a Mexican flag in Monterrey, Mexico. To his left was Mexican President Vicente Fox (search ), who -- in an even more alarming image -- was framed by the Stars and Stripes as he smiled for the cameras.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,109026,00.html#ixzz20BxuOYEt
When a republican president does something the silence from the right is deafening when a democrat does anything similar he's a socialistic Communist. Whether It's immigration reform or stimulus doesn't matter. Bush spent over 1.5 trillion in stimulus spending in 2008 and you never hear the right speak of it. But it's Obama spending 787 billion on stimulus in 2009 that caused all our problems.
Under President George Bush’s administration, the Federal government gave $29 billion to bail out Bear Stearns, $178 billion to American taxpayers in the form of economic stimulus checks, $300 billion to bail out American homeowners, $200 billion to bail out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, $150 billion to bailout AIG, and $700 billion to bail out banks (TARP).
@Bigfoot62, Do you realize everytime your tires are sitting in a crosswalk, over the white stop line, or gas on it when the light turns orange? YOU are thumbing you nose at the law! I'll bet that you do at least 6+ illegal activities on a daily bases. You might be smoking out your ears before I'm done but your Thumbing Your Nose at the law. I always say don't listen to what Politions say about what they don't. He said it was a short term solution. You are aware that Congress and Senate are working rewriting the Immagration laws? POTUS can take a part of a new law and act on it before it passes his desk. It is legal for them to do it. Guess who is going to be passing these Bills on up to the President. Why the Republican majority in Congress and Senate. If you want to know who started all this New Immigration stuff, it was Good Ol' Bush. One thing about the Law Making System is the Founding Fathers set the system up to work slow on purpose.
Bigfoot62 is not the President of the United States and did not take an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States
@lost in the pines, Presidents have legal rights that comes with the office that people don't realize. I believe the you've heard the term, "The President lives by a different set of Laws." These are the laws that governs what he does in the performance of his duties. I'm not sure what all of them are, just some. I took the Oath to Uphold and Defend the Constution many times. It is a part of me. In order to do so I fell under different Laws called UCMJ. These Laws go deeper than what to do if someone does something wrong. Are you aware that you still can be Shot by Firing Squad for Treason. Although it is considered preferable to arrest and trial by courts. You can still get a Courts Martial for letting yourself get sunburned. Truthfully what I fine irritating is people talk about the Constitution but don't realize you have to be above it to defend it. I didn't take offense at what you replied but felt I needed to explain myself.
We as Americans haave to decide what we really want first. Do you want to shut down the illegal Drugs first or a few people trying to get some money to their families First. I feel that letting a few law abiding people work and go to school is the lesser of the two. this also is one less thing the Border Patrol has to deal with and allows them to concentrate on the bad guys. Closing off drug routes has a benifit of closing off Coyote crossings. The more bodies dedicated this way the better.
6dogs, I am fully aware of the Uniform Code of Military Justice , You attempted to campare minor motor vehicle violations with actions taken by a president, They are not even close.
6dogs,
Just what the heck does "I believe the you've heard the term, "The President lives by a different set of Laws."
Since when does the president operate outside of the laws of this nation? Perhaps you have heard of the term impeachment?
And this means what: "Truthfully what I fine irritating is people talk about the Constitution but don't realize you have to be above it to defend it.
You have to be ABOVE it to defend it?!!! So by your words I was not able to defend the Constitution when I entered the military because, being an ordinary citizen, I could never be ABOVE it?
WHOA! Do you have your panties in a knot!
Like Bush did?
How do you think Obama wins?????? At least the Mexican president is Mexican..... What is ours?????
A U.S. citizen born here.
Bore here, but did you forget where he was raised and how he went to college here as an exchange student, which means you give up your citizenship.
Bush Amnesty Plan Threatens U.S. Economy
Published January 21, 2004
FoxNews.com
Three weeks ago there was no one among Republican voters who would have said that fixing the problem of illegal immigration to the U.S. meant granting amnesty to an estimated eight million illegal aliens, the majority of whom have entered the U.S. without a visa by walking across our border with Mexico.
But that is precisely what President Bush said last week he intends to do, as he posed for pictures before a Mexican flag in Monterrey, Mexico. To his left was Mexican President Vicente Fox (search ), who -- in an even more alarming image -- was framed by the Stars and Stripes as he smiled for the cameras.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,109026,00.html#ixzz20BxuOYEt
You only give up your citizenship if you renounce it. Obama didn't.
So we'll be hearing some new "Latin" sounding names joining President Stinky's (-bo) re-election team.
Can you say RUBIO? Romney can.
Must have taken lessons from Obama!!!!!
Ahhh! Democracy in action.
How nice to have Mexico just south of us ...as a reminder that bad as it seems here, it could be much worse.
Can someone point to an election where the votes weren't bought? Every politician promises their constituents all sorts of favors to elect them. At least the Mexicans were being a little more upfront about it.
Why don't we just invade Mexico? I mean hundreds of their citizens are dying month by month trying to get into the US anyways, they have oil, a cheap labor force and we get thousands of miles of beach front property out of it!! We could then turn the US military's full force against the cartels, build up the infrastructure and BAM....instantly add 2.4 million more taxpayers to the lot. Way i see it you would have allot more success only having to secure the shoreline and 1/3 of a border than you do now, Sounds like a win win to me.
Adding 90 million mexicans most living below the poverty line wouldn't be a net plus for us. Better to invade Canada.
Situation Normal in Mexico = All corrupt!
Ya'll ought to check out the billionaires in this county and then think who's being bought. Most donations to Obama's campaign are $250 or less. Romney is getting millions from single donors who want to keep the corporate welfare going. You're accusing Obama of buying the election? Not true but if it was at least he is buying it from millions of people not getting bought by millions from single donations.
The Obama campaign turned off(accidently...yea sure)the loggers so it is not known where/who those donations came from, The Obama campaign was the biggest recipient of Wall Street, BP Oil, Unions and the list goes on, Please go away with your "all his contributors were small $250"
jrblue, Obama was just in Massachusetts for a donation dinner at $10,000.00 a plate. His Jobs Czar is also the CEO of G.E. which is one of his biggest donors and also G.E. pay NO taxes. Obama is as much a part of the corporate welfare system as Romney. There isn't a dimes worth of difference between the Democrat and Republican machines. Sure there may be a few true statesmen in Congress and the House but for all intents and purposes these two nationalparties are BOTH in the pocket of international corporations and banking.
Both parties have done all they can to diminish and excoriate any party that exposes them for what they are, in particular the Libertarian Party. Personally I am sick of being lied to and wasting my vote of "the lesser of two evils'. I prefer to vote my conscience and vote for Gary Johnson, Libertarian candidate for President.
Of course there has been a near total media blackout of the Libertarian candidate, but of course the media isn't being controlled are they? What little has been said about Mr Johnson by the national media has been negative, but not about his beliefs or party platform, but that he will be "the 2012 election spoiler". A typical scare tactic both parties have used over the years but this election it is one being promoted by the Republicans.
While MSNBC and FOX have you all fighting each other as if there is a real difference in the two parties the "industrial military complex", their controllers, i.e. international banking, and their puppets the DNC and RNC are slowly removing our freedoms. It reminds me of the story about putting a frog in a pot of cool water and heating it slowly, once the frog figures out it is too hot he is already cooked, and that is just what these two controlled parties are doing to the American public.
Vote Gary johnson - Libertarian for President
jrblue,
"Most donations to Obama's campaign are $250 or less." Oh really?!! I suppose you are in control of the donations to obamas' campaign therefore you can say that.
Donations?!!! Let's get one thing straight democrats: Don't say that the GOP is being bought UNTIL we find out what the first woman (I personally can't use the normal term for her position seeing as she stated she hated America) is doing BEHIND the scenes. How MUCH is she raising and how MUCH is EACH contribution; and don't give me that $250 dollar limit crap.
Jrblue, as billionaire George Soros was one of, if not main major contributors that got Obama elected, he would have had to make a whole lot of simultaneous $250.00 contributions! Bottom line is Obama would never have got elected without George Soros. It's more like Soros bought Obama!
I heard that those 800,000 illegals that got work permits from Obama also came with a voter's registration card and had a picture of Obama and his family on the permits
More likely Bush's.
Bush Amnesty Plan Threatens U.S. Economy
Published January 21, 2004
FoxNews.com
Three weeks ago there was no one among Republican voters who would have said that fixing the problem of illegal immigration to the U.S. meant granting amnesty to an estimated eight million illegal aliens, the majority of whom have entered the U.S. without a visa by walking across our border with Mexico.
But that is precisely what President Bush said last week he intends to do, as he posed for pictures before a Mexican flag in Monterrey, Mexico. To his left was Mexican President Vicente Fox (search ), who -- in an even more alarming image -- was framed by the Stars and Stripes as he smiled for the cameras.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,109026,00.html#ixzz20BxuOYEt
What did the 8 million Bush granted amnesty to get?
That proposal never was enacted, so no one was granted amnesty
I guess Obama will be the leader in Mexico now. I say that joking but it could happen with his vote buying ways.
bama-836,
Obama buys votes?!!!! No way - just ask the blacks in the last campaign. Then ask the latinos and illegals in this campaign. The problem these groups had is that this "president" will reverse (turn his back) himself just as soon as he gets what he wants.
Those bought by this "leader" are considered throwaway groups. Or perhaps toilet paper groups would be more appropriate.
On a more local note, Obama super PAC has just recently purchased an additional 40 million food stamp cards for distribution to needy voters, er, Americans, possibly even legal Americans, to be distributed before this November.
What's wrong with a little Chicago style voting manipulation ??
nothing,
Nothing except that type of political cancer is now at the national level. Politics has always been a dirty game but not this type of dirty.
well! well! well! we have the same here !!! no matter how you slice it donated, given, hand out, contributed, anyone who has forked over money to the campaigns has been buying the votes, and the republicans who are notorious, as well as democrats more honestly have purchased votes.
the republicans hoard the trillions and give nothing back to society. all greed and brainwashing the public for a vote. the democrats attempt to give back to their constituents that is a big difference. it still a vote but they attempt to return to their people.
The big difference is that the Democrats take money from taxpayers and give it to non taxpayers to buy votes, Nothing honest about that...legal maybe...honest..not even close
Like Bush did from my earlier comment?
Voter fraud is a real danger...In this country too. I have no doubt Obama,through Holder and his henchmen will try to "fix" votes in those key swing states. Obama and Holder are no strangers to behind the scenes corruption and treachery in this county's affairs.
Don't go out in lightning storms with that tinfoil hat on it's dangerous.
No way! I dont believe it! If you told me Chicago or New York I'd believe it. But, not Mexganistan !
The U.S. is going to have to clean-up this mess in Mexganistan, sooner or later ! The only way to do that is to invade, take-over the government, kill the dope producers, and instill some peace and order, its clear the Mexican's are not capable of building a decent country!
Oh good I hope Romney wins can you imagine a war we don't even have to fly too? It'll be so handy we can simply cross the Rio Grande and we're good to go.
If we can bomb at will in Pakistan, invade Afganistan,and Iraq, and take-out Norega in Panama(who was not as big a threat as Mexico is) then a few well-placed drone strikes will do wonders !
Drones, are you nuts? When we can shock and awe them? It's our god given right as republicans to clean up the worlds mess and Mexico's so handy.
If you look at the upper class citizens of Mexico you can see they are of Spanish descent, but thats not what we get as immigrants. We get the uneducated poor from Mexico which are mostly of native descent. The Spanish empire was corrupt and ruthless and every possession they had is still that way today. Corruption seems to be part of the Spanish culture.
Yes as republicans we respect the differences there are in people, clearly those of Spanish descent are genetically superior as are most of European descent.
square dude: You're one sick dude.