Yeah, Assange wants everybody to face the music for their wrong doings, except himself of course.

Other countries should create payment systems that are independent of the US banking cabal.

Be careful what you wish for.

Freedom Hound Who would you believe, a couple whores or Assange? Many of the whores working in these European cities are Eastern European or former Soviet Union countries with handlers who go for the money. It is obvious he was set up.

what wrong doing did he do? that rape charge is a JOKE (have you read the charges and followed the case?) it is being done because the US wanted him stopped and pressured Sweden to get him ON SOMETHING -- no one believes the charges, they are completely made to shut him up. The fact is that western governments and companies and the US in particular talks with both sides of its mouth and now they are being exposed for it. Governments need to be held accountable not just for the lies it tells others but its own people.

The US Govt is based on lies.

GEORGECONS: I suppose you are advocating the collapse of the dollar? By doing what you said, one dollar would be worth maybe a quarter. Real good idea. Some countries are already starting to do that very thing, and we will be in the same position that England found itself in after WWII. That will not be good for the country, and quite a large part of the world would also be hosed.

Oh, wait, Wikileaks? That's right, don't give a sh*t because I actually prefer my sources to have credibility of more than zero percent.

These people "leaking" classified material should be hunted down and charged with treason and/or espionage by those countries whose secrets they divulge. If it is found they caused death, injury or compromised "security" by knowingly revealing the material of the countries involved, they should be executed.

for a guy who claims innocence, he sure is going to extremes to avoid his day in court to clear his name.

maybe he won't have access to roofies?

JoeB, How about if a US Admin shows a willful disregard to cause death, injury or compromise security in order to advance an unjustifiable agenda? Should they be executed? Or just the little guys? With an attitude like that someday those in power will come for you and who will rescue you?

Nobody has even seen the stuff yet so whats the big deal So called cable gate was a big SO WHAT. Most people in most countries do their real dealing face to face or on the phone not in emails etc.

I applaude Wikileaks and those who provide information the people are entitled to. Too many "secrets." I do not understand those who feel compelled to sit in the dark. Maybe the truth is too much for the frail and weak minded.

If Assange is so innocent of the charges against him then why is he hiding out in the Ecuadoran embassy in London. He must be afraid that they have enough on him to convict or he would be jumping at the chance to have his day in court and clear his name. Sweden is not some banana republic where they rig trials and wrongfully imprison people at will, they have a very open and public judicial system where railroading Assange would be virtually impossible. They would have to convince a jury that the the accusers are more credible than Assange in order to convict him. If they can do that, then just maybe it is because Assange really is guilty. The fact that Assange is doing everything possible to avoid facing questioning over his actions tells me that he definitely has something to hide. If he does get asylum from Ecuador he better plan on staying there forever because I would bet that an infamous Interpol Red Notice would be issued for his arrest if he does decide to flee. Of course that assumes that Ecuador could get him from the Embassy and onto an Ecuadoran flag aircraft or vessel without the British authorities picking him up. He only has protection in the embassy, in embassy vehicles, and on their flag vessels/aircraft. If he set foot in a commercial airport in England to catch a flight he would be immediately arrested.

As for this latest round of leaked documents, the article makes no mention of where they came from. It would be interesting to know whose IT security Wikileaks or their agents illegally breached to get this latest trove of information.

As far as I am concerned, Assange should be arrested and charged with espionage over the illegal receipt and release of classified US government documents. While the government will not openly admit it, the release of those documents managed to get at least one Afghan intelligence source and his family killed by revealing the source's identity. This makes Wikileaks complicit in murder as well, but that is a tougher case to make than one for espionage.

I think Assange and his nosey Nellies are a bunch of wussies. It's pretty easy to sit behind computers, crack into other peoples computers and then stick noses in where they don't belong. Until someone cuts those nosey noses off. Assange is a pimple on the butt of humanity. He's no saint. As for that charge in Sweden, it had nothing to do with the US. That charge was a standing charge long before the Assange name became synonymous with information thief. Great going Assangey ole boi...now not only do you have Syrian citizens endangered by your Little Lord Fauntleroy routine but you likely will be taken out by someone in the Syrian Army who doesn't like little wussy bois who play dangerous games with their country's information.

Poor Contempt me. All he has to do in life every day is troll the newsvine and just keep going on and on and on with the same old Rove sound bites. Try addressing the actual subject in the story.... I know it's hard... but give it a try.

George, you don't have any more proof than I do that the charges are real or trumped up. If they are trumped up, then an actual trial will prove it. He is SO afraid of returning for a good reason. Maybe there IS more to the story. Maybe he IS gulilty of something. He needs to have his day in court. If the charges are bogus, then he will get off and go back to spying and ruining other people's lives.

Or maybe he's afraid if he shows up, he'll "disappear" or "commit suicide in his cell". Don't tell me the CIA hasn't killed anyone in cold blood before.

jd-746873

I applaude Wikileaks and those who provide information the people are entitled to. Too many "secrets." I do not understand those who feel compelled to sit in the dark.

So, you will be publishing your full actual identity on this forum. We don't think you should be hiding in the dark either. Hypocrite.

Elected PUBLIC officials, doing PUBLIC work, for the PUBLIC shouldn't be allowed to do things WE didn't elect them to do. Get your reality in check, buddy. And if for some reason they have to, we should know about it. If you hired someone to do a job for you and they set up an illegal gambling establishment in the back room of your company wartehouse you'd want to know about it wouldn't you? Why is your government any different? _I— am not an elected public official. I don't claim to represent the public good in any way, so no, my personal affairs have no business in the public eye.

Now we just need to find a girl with a draggon tattoo and we have a whole new series!!!

@Freedom hound You mean Assange should be in jail because he had sex without condom

I hope they out the CIA further for their lies to keep us at war.

Nothing makes a discussion board poster sound more like a fringe, conspiracy theorist quite like using words like "New World Order" and ( in this case) "cabal". Georgecons, I'm not saying you are one of these, but you conjure the image of bankers furtively going into the back entrance off a hidden alley, donning black robes, lighting candles and chanting in a secret language whilst the high-priest banker thrusts a knife into a young goat.

JS in SD

Are you naive or stupid?

The accusation against him isn't for 'rape.' It's that the women wanted him to use a condom and have an AIDS test and they said he didn't. The media is calling it rape.

When a man releases videos of the U.S. military killing children, he'd be stupid not to be scared (they killed the children, you think they have a problem killing him?)

We have "progressive journalists" to the list of journalists!

In IT era, media censorship or sponsorship ought to be reduced.

So what Julian Assange and WikiLeaks are doing are great!

Hal, the term "new world order' was coined by George Bush sr. And assange has proved way beyond a reasonable doubt that the the Hidden rich and the governments they control (including ours) can't handle the truth. So you think the foundation families who count their money in trillions and place news stories about warren buffit and bill gates as the "richest men in the world don't have meetings? you dont think they try to influence things to make more money?

Brendon:

And this lady was supposed to be our liberal friend to protect us from lies and tell the truth. Oh, well aging politicians, what can I say about them.

It is time for Boxer to retire and play with grand kids.

Omg a right wing love in right in the middle of a story their groping has nothing to do with!

I was JUST thinking that Brendan. Just like Twitter was praised for its part in the middle east protests. But as soon as it was used in US protests the government sued Twitter for protestor information to try and discourage them from using twitter.

Welcome to the US my friends.

Assange sold out to cover himself....Agreed not to release any of the negative info on grejsk ahmekj

hadhjo kkwod jfoqouj

Welcome to the world of lazy ass 30, 40 and 50 somethings with nothing better to do in life than steal information they have no right to. This is it? This is what this generation is all about? Nosey Nellies? All trying for the TMZ nosiest nose award? This is what their McMommies and Mcdaddies raised them for? Spent thousands on college educations for? Saw to it their little asses were kept warm in winter and coolie cool boi in summer? So they can sit around all day looking for information? Welcome to Cyber Brat World where every lazy ass kid can plunk a keyboard and set off WWIII.

Senator Barbara Boxer sending letters to other countries newspapers for running stories on the released cables threatening them by prosecuting them under the espionage acts.

What a joke.

The letters or Barbara Boxer?

Ewent, all those same comments can be made about you and your obivous lust for the life where you just sit back, and do and accept everything you are told by the powers that be because that's how you were indoctrinated. When this world finally descends to the hell it has been spiraling towards and it is revealed how governments and big businesses took us there, we will all come thank you for reminding us to just sit back and do as were told because smarter, more important people with our best interests at heart are taking care of everything for us.

And I mean really, what are you doing other than plunking down in front of a keyboard? At least the people you malign are looking for information, you're just here on a msn message board wasting time on meaningless pursuits, just like I and the rest of the people here are doing.

Hmmm... So would you feel the same if Assange had had the nut to actually actively out President Bush for being the war criminal that he was? Why isn't Wikileaks on "that" case? Why does everyone give Bush et al amnesty and forgiveness for having lied to the country, congress and the world not to mention the deaths of how man Iraqis and over 4,000 of our troops?

Hmmm... I'd like to see what the conservatives would be saying if Assange had called them on the LIE that was Iraq, rendition, water boarding and other sordid affairs. It sounds to me like Assange is just looking for his 15 minutes of fame and however much $$$ he can rake in and he doesn't care who he hurts in the process, you know just like Bush and the Republicans.

DaveBronx-1021673

--He hasn't made any money off of wikileaks in nearly four years. The banks shut down all means of transferring money to wikileaks.

-- Assange isn't about 15 minutes of fame. He's been in the spotlight since the early 1990's when he was the first person to hack into a secure server

-- He did out Bush and the Obama administration when he published videos of us military killing children through helicopter fire. Most of those videos took place during Bush years. Also, the reports included showed that the US had a top secret mission whereby soldiers went into houses and killed suspected taliban members and their families (not all of them were taliban and that's hardly the rule of law warfare)

During print media days, it was easy for the corrupt/paid rulers/killers to manipulate media!

Iraqi wars and the oil price manipulations were done more easily with media management!

Media was mostly in the hands of few giants/lobbyists/crooks and other varieties of sophisticated cheats!

In IT era, it is our pleasure to break the glasses of these parasites/liabilities!

yeah, how dare she try to protect America,,,,dam liberals

Americathepolicestate: by what I see in your email your are either

a: not an American, or

b: an American that has failed to pass the third grade. Either way, your opinion about America is invalid. Go troll somewhere else.

AmericaThePoliceState, English, not your first language?

Wow if you live in the States please leave there is enough idiots already, go move to Syria where you will be treated with the dignity and respect you deserve and enjoy your freedom.

amen

Some ' patriots' feeling a little bothered by the comment.....

Anyways, Obama and Clinton's 'foreign policy': fight al-quaeda in Afganistan, but support, finance, arm and provide favorable media coverage to the same jihadists in Syria.

Soon we'll be sending shiploads of troops and spend trillions of our tax dollars in fighting the same 'rebels' we are supporting in Syria, now.

Obama and Hillary: enough 'policeing' the world. Bring out the real issues that have made our country a total mess, and act on them.

Check out the comments AmericaThePoliceState has made previously. He advocates "immediate and public execution" over and over. He sounds like an advocate of a police state to me, and a hater of America.

Those guys should be careful. While western nations may rant and rave over them releasing info, it wouldn't be a surprise if some higher ups in Syria try and have them taken out.

It was easy for us to see what you say and hit the ignore this AHOLE button or whatever it is called.

You watch our government is going to be turning on us next

I don't think you are an American, but that doesn't matter to me because I think we're all getting used to America's popularity contest scores now. It isn't just America. Most large out of control governments are the same. (No, I'm not an anarchist) The days of "my country, right or wrong" should have ended by now. When a country gets big enough to start doing bad things, without the citizen's knowledge or consent, The citizen's have lost control of their government.

So far (crossed fingers) nothing that Wikileaks has released can be proven to have harmed anyone except the governments involved.

AmericaThePoliceState - We have become the land of Murders.

Now, back to your goat. She is getting lonesome.

This will be in the News Cycle for a good while. It appears that US involvement in this case will probably be focused on US companies or those contracted to do business with us. It appears also that Russia may get the brunt and we all know that Assad is a crook (it will be no surprises there). As far as the article, I personally have no problems with Wikileaks but just as our "secrets" may cost lives, it is worthy of note that his release of info may cost lives to. It just want to remind folks that their is a difference in secrets for discretion sake and secrets for "wrong doing" sake. A General movement of troops or a spy's covertness maintaining security is necessary... but a Terrorist planning to blow up a building filled with "non-coms" in secret need to be ferreted out. My point... Secrets, once exposed, has consequences not matter the intent.

I like invoking the "Law of Unintended Consequences". It's so applicable to so many different situations. One of he unintended or unforeseen consequences could be that it stops Syria from obtaining certain weapons or technology and thus save lives. It could make companies rethink doing shady, illegal deals for profit. This too could save lives. It could pressure Russia into finally denouncing the Syrian regime. Again lives could be saved. If it directly costs lives but has a long term impact on the world that is positive but hard to quantify, how do we weigh that? Is it possible? I think only absolute vital information that in the wrong hands is potentially catastrophic on a massive scale should be secret. Without truth life becomes a sham, a farce, and a fraud. We just become manipulated pawns in a game of power. The pursuit of truth is the noblest goal a person can strive for.

. It appears that US involvement in this case will probably be focused on US companies or those contracted to do business with us

Look no business will stop doing business with a paying customer when they have an order in their hands.Munitions have been known to be sold to people we or other countries have been at odds with. Reagan sold munitions to both Iraq and Iran.

While I do not agree with what these people are doing because it only takes one incident to start a war unless the world agrees to stopping him and them from doing this which can be accomplished easily he will continue but as I stated earllier almost all of his "releases" have been a big ho hum

One of he unintended or unforeseen consequences could be that it stops Syria from obtaining certain weapons or technology and thus save lives.

This Syria issue aside, all increased levels of weaponry SAVE lives (including nukes). The deterent factor allows game theory math to create more nonviolent outcomes in negotiations and dispute resolutions. The higher the potential death toll (or damage in general) of a weapon, the better the weapon works as a deterent. This is why "no guns allowed" zones (like schools, post offices back in the day, Chicago city limits, etc) have higher violent crime rates overall, and also why no two nuclear countries have ever engaged in suicidal nuclear war (despite the paranoia of the people, media, and state).

Look at death tolls per capita from violent crime for the whole scope of human civilization (about 200,000 years we've had roads, trade, laws, defense organizations like militaries, etc). You'll notice they have always been declining, but decline quicker in times of major revolutions to arms technology. When the sword replaced the stone, less per capita deaths occured, while the victims that did occur were more seriously harmed. The same was true when gunpowder was invented, and again when firearms became semi-auto, and then later fully automatic. This occured also when bombs replaced cannons, and nukes replaced other forms. Mutually assured destruction is the largest and most effective deterent to violence in history. After looking at these death tolls you'll notice two things:

1. They fell almost continuously despite the fact the state (which usually gets the credit for "civilization", "law" and "order") only existed for 3% of that time period (the last 6,000 of the 200,000 years).

2. They fell faster and because of increased technology, namely in weaponry.

It's counter intuitive, but deductively logical, that more harmful weapons actually make society safer. So, keeping a state like Syria from obtaining these weapons will not save lives in the long run...it will save some now at the expense of others later. That's an irrational goal, if your mission is to save as many lives as possible. Just like sanctions against Iran, this idea that increased weaponry technology leads to more human deaths and suffering is BUNK. Sanctions actually make war MORE likely statistically...not less likely. Sanctions are an act of war, and kill the least in society (the poor, the old, the children). They may be aimed at states, but the state does not suffer...the people do (who may or may not support the state under which they live). Thus, any attempt to prevent such new technological advances form occuring actually kills MORE people and makes war MORE likely. Not exactly the goal at the outset...

Lastly, despite what some Supreme Court says (Citizens United, the healthcare , mandate ruling, and DRED freaking SCOTT), any school grade age child can read and understand the Constitution. It's fairly straightforward, given we know how to apply and interpret the document given the papers left behind from the debates and ratifying conventions of the States (individual States) involved. We know that to re-interpret or change the allowable bounds of the state (federal) it sets up, you require Amendments to the document. So...how then do we justify acts of war like sanctions or choosing sides in foreign nations? With half-witted reasoning that isn't even correct because it's based purely on uninformed intutition and emotion. How do we vote for acts of war and not face it's unConstitutional to make acts of war without a declaration of war? We make excuses and generally pander to the ignorant masses and their inutitive emotional pleas.

My point is simple...if it's not in the Enumerared Powers of the Constitution, or in the Amendments to it, then the federal state clearly has NO authority or jurisdiction to do whatever it is it is doing. This includes mandates on how you spend your money across States lines or internationally (that is a property rights issue, as well as the fact the "commerce clause" was only intended for one thing - to eliminate tariffs between the States that were economically disasterous anti-free trade measures under the Articles of Confederation), whether or not a State can nullify (ignore) federal laws and the Supreme Court (like the Fugitive Slave Laws), or intervening in foreign nations to gain an outcome we FEEL is good at the time (but deductive logic, math, and reason shows us are BAD outcomes in the long run).

Saving 5 lives now even though that means 10 more will die later (10 total deaths), as opposed to letting 5 die now so only 3 die later (8 total deaths), is sadistic, ignorant, irrational, or illogical (or some combination therein). Stop intervening...stop thinking every problem has an American state solution. Statism is a mental problem based in aggression, and needs to be addressed if we are to have a free society, let alone one where we think rationally enough to realize increased arms, and tech in those arms, actually saves more lives (even as the arms become more deadly).

Logic; it's a helluva drug.

Yeah sure M.A.D. is definitely quite the deterrant. I love pointing out to people the "Golden Age Fallacy" by giving them the same stats vis a vis violent crime rates as you did. Not too many people want to be responsible for the destruction of the planet. That said, it think there's a large looming flaw in the expectation that this can work indefinitely. That's because it only works as long as their are semi rational people in power. It needs to be perfect. All it takes is for one looney tune to cause global catastrophe. This is the big risk we've adopted with the massive technological leaps. Are we capable of handling the awesome power? On a long enough time line it's inevitable that someone somewhere with ill intent wil be in a position to push a button. That's all it takes these days. So while it's working for now, humanity is just not fundamentally rational enough to maintain the perfection it requires.

This leads me into a (semi) tangent. I'm currently reading this amazing book called "The Self Illusion: How the Social Brain Creates Identity" by Dr. Bruce Hood. It's all about how the brain develops and functions in a way that produces a complex narrative that gives rise to the illusion a fundamental "self" that occupies us.

This leads me to great skepticism of any argument built around the inherent rationality of people. I think all arguments are somewhat superficial unless looked at through the fundamental lense of biology. The concept of an independent "self" occupying some space in our head is just an illusion. It's a complex narrative that different parts of the brain weave together. However, it's impossible to see beyond the illusion. While research supports the concept, the individual cannot help but think that the core of their being is a decision making, conscious, "self". Our brains are wired to respond to other people. We are a reflection of others. A looking glass self. Being part of a group or ostracised is so powerful it can change behavior instantaneously. If a person is given a question along with a group of people and the group all pick an answer which is obviously wrong, 75% of people will choose the obviously wrong answer. Conformity rather than being seen as an outsider was the driving force. It's also why people seek out others who share the same opinions and validate our thoughts and ideas. The author makes the claim that most of the decisions we perceive as "made" at a conscious level were actually decided long beforehand by subconscious brain processes we aren't even aware of. Split-brain studies show that the self illusion is the culmination of a multitude of cross hemisphere brain processes. These usually work together to produce a unified sense of self, but when these processes are disrupted and inconsistencies arise, our the system, through language, will try to reestablish coherence. An example would be when different information is given simultaneously to each brain hemisphere with the connection disrupted. The interpreter will make up a plausible story to account for the disparate information.

We are so susceptible to group pressure, subtle priming cues, stereotyping, and cultural cuing that the idea of a true unyielding ego is unstainable. And as long as people stubbornly hold on the illusion as reality they just will not accept how much external circumstances have shaped their lives. We don't see this because of cognitive dissonance which is constantly shielding us from our failings by trying to maintain an integrated self belief. Cognitive dissonance is our brains ability to rewrite our life narrative into an idealized form. We turn failures into triumph, we turn rejection on it's ear by saying "Well she was a stuck up bitch anyhow". It stems from the desire to have (perceived) control. It greatly lessens anxiety if we feel in control. What does this all mean? I think it means any argument based on the existence of an independent rational mind as the basis for claims of validity is very very tenuous.

In fact, we are engaged in it right now. Why are we all here on newsvine posting? Ostensibly it's because these topics are interesting and relevant. But the reality is, if were truely honest, it's because of the powerful social aspect of it. We will post about anything and everything. What we are really seeking is inclusion and validation. And it's very quantifiable. The number of thumbs up, likes, positive feedback. It's extremely reinforcing. It gives us a medium to instantly join a group. Everything we do is driven by our social nature. Even hermits and aesetics are part of a group. A group that shuns convention. A true outsider with no ties to anyone or any value system or sense of belonging is probably non existent.

I don't know where I was going with that but I feel compelled to share the insights of this book today for what it's worth.

Have a good one!!

Kurt:

The validity of his releases cannot be dismissed by other factors. A good pastrami sandwich cannot be dismissed because same guy makes a bad pork brain sandwiches.

Kurt .. that was not an accurate post.

Wikileaks does not hack into other systems. Whistle blowers hack the system and provide the data to Wikileaks to publish. As long as there are no whistle blowers in Ecuador, Argentina or Cuba Wikileaks would not be able to present any secret documents.

P Josh, Wikileaks exposing the Iraqi and Afghan Translating hero for all the Terrorists to see as ALREADY caused the death of some Iraqi and Afghan heros. It was requested not to release the names due to the danger of their lives by the Terrorists, but the TRAITOR still exposed it. Anyone knowing giving info to AL-Queda is they can add yet more to their assisnation list, is a TRAITOR indeed.

Logical, you are correct, "Whistleblowers" provides the info but not correct that Wikileaks DECIDES which info is "released". ASSange darns not release anything on the regime of Ecuador while he is in their Embassy as the Traitor Coward that he is. Of course, ASSange, will not release the info of the bribe he paid to the Ecuador Regime to stay in their Embassy

"Wikileaks exposing the Iraqi and Afghan Translating hero for all the Terrorists to see as ALREADY caused the death of some Iraqi and Afghan heroes."

Kurt please tell us the names of the people killed, that was directly caused by Wikileaks. And please provide the proof you have that Wleaks was the cause.

Let me help you out, you can't. However we can view the names of every single American soldier that was KIA due to the stupidity of our elected officials both R and D. I for one view anyone willing to present us with information so we can come to our own conclusions and not be made to make due with what information our governments feel we "need to know" is a hero and a patriot, not a terrorist/traitor! The true traitors to freedom are the ones that wish to silence the information we are entitled to, the real traitors are the ones that would have our citizens/soldiers give their lives not in the causes of humanity but in the pursuit of their God the all mighty $.

Hypnoticf, No thanks for insulting those of us in the US Military that were (are) in Iraq and Afghanistan as "stupidity" (Caveat during the 1st Gulf War only made it as far as Dhahran SA). Tariq (his undercover name for privacy of him and mine) who help me in translations did not appreciate Wikileaks exposing his name for all the Terrorists to see and YES some of his family members have been killed since then by Terrorists which he suspects from those Wikileak reports. It is one thing to "present us with information", it is another thing to expose the names of Translators for Terrorists to see especially when they are staying there. Assange was ask NOT to release the actual names knowing they would be a target of Terrorist for their heroism in their fright for freedeom. Of course, you may not mind, if you are for the Islamic Extremists over those great Afghan and Iraqi heros fighting for their freedom.

hypnoticfreedom

Kurt please tell us the names of the people killed, that was directly caused by Wikileaks. And please provide the proof you have that Wleaks was the cause.

Are you aware that the Taliban thanked Wikileaks and they went after afghan people who collaborated with NATO against them? Amongst the victims, a man's grandson, 7 year old boy, accused of spying and tortured and killed (in retaliation against his grandfather, Abdul Woodod Alokozai), compliments of Wikileaks.

Seriously, do you think the Taliban (and everyone else) don't have access to the internet?

http://www.dailytech.com/Taliban+Murders+Afghan+Elder+Thanks+Wikileaks+for+Revealing+Spies/article19250.htm

Nmae the truth that was earth shaking in anything this guy has released! What did we learn from the US release aside from the known fact that some diplomats make up cute names for the people they are dealing with. Hell Bush did that!

I was with you until you said "profits". I see nothing wrong with profits, nor do I think a compulsory economy built on either profits or no profit could be sustained. Both economic ideals should be voluntary...or they are tyranny.

That said...thank God for the anarchists at WikiLeaks. The world needs an anarchist intelligence agency providing free market demanded transparency of the murderous states in which we live. The states killed 1.7 million people per year over the last 100 years...and that doesn't count soldiers in war, victims of war, insurgents, etc! 170 million unnecessary deaths, all over the state's existence and need to keep lauding power over others against their wills.

That needs exposed at every turn, until society realizes how very un-benign the state is as an entity in civilization (actually, against civilization).

I agree, evil is evil, we already know the subjects true colors, so dont pretend your showing us something new !

What makes you think that what you think is correct? You have no proofnit is. We all live on word called trust. We step back and watch and follow those who treat us right. Americans who fought the British in the revolutionary war were considered terrorists in England and the Jews who were fighting to regain what they considered their land used tactics that the world now consider terroists activities. The contras were terrorists in their country. Its all about who is in power. not what is right. Some islamists consdier the west to be the greatest evil on earth because their way does not fit their way.

Most people believe it's the Russians supplying arms to Assad's dictatorship and police. There would be no benefit for the Russians to see Assad removed from his job since ties between Russia and Syria have been fairly close. The Syrian uprising is a result of a population that is fed up with dominance. So long as some men in this world continue to insist upon reigns of dominance, there will be war. The price of ultimate dominance isn't pretty...it's a blood bath by those who have nothing to lose by ending up dead when the only choice is sole domination by one man.

Wikileaks didnt care about what any govt or VIP thought. Why should they care about what randy53-2541525 thinks?

Evidently, they care, thats why they did this publicity stut !

What stunt? Someone is delusional....

totallyfu#up-2040136- now that's not they way talking about your cousins Zion man! this is quite interesting, so if that's the way you will and talk about your cousin, how do you feel and talk about US?!

I'm pretty sure you are giving us your intellectual best here...sad.

They got us out of Iraq faster than Bush and Obama intended. Gotta love outrage of host states when they find out we're screwing them, lying to them, and commiting numerous other criminal or quasi-ciminla acts.

WTH did that even mean?

Ralphie Mortse is just a hater... the allegations against Assange are completely baseless; both a product of Sweden's incedibly insane laws and a COINTELPRO operation being run by the criminal imperialist governments of the US and Western Europe.

Yeah...I'm pretty sure simple programs do that for them. Holy crap....

I'm with Team USA - if you're not for me, you're against me. It's really that simple.

You mean you are with team USA government? If you were really, truly on team USA then you would want to know what those in your government were doing to endanger your fellow Americans. Just as the DHS, HSA, TSA, FBI etc constantly tell the American people "if you have done nothing wrong, then you have nothing to worry about". Do you really support your own government spending billions of dollars a year to spy on you and other Americans, while at the same time claiming that nobody should be able to "spy" on the government?