The United States has named Afghanistan a "major non-NATO ally," a status that will make it easier for the Afghan government to acquire U.S. defense equipment, U.S. officials said on Saturday.
U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton announced that President Barack Obama had designated Afghanistan as a major non-NATO ally shortly after arriving in the country for talks with Afghan President Hamid Karzai.
The designation allows for streamlined defense cooperation, including expedited purchasing ability of American equipment and easier export control regulations. Afghanistan's military, which is heavily dependent on American and foreign assistance, already enjoys many of these benefits. The non-NATO ally status guarantees it will continue to do so.
"We see this as a powerful commitment to Afghanistan's future," she said at a news conference in the grand courtyard of Kabul's Presidential Palace. "We are not even imagining abandoning Afghanistan."
Clinton insisted that progress was coming incrementally but consistently to the war-torn nation after decades of conflict. "The security situation is more stable," she said. Afghan forces "are improving their capacity."
At the news conference, Karzai welcomed Clinton to Kabul and thanked the U.S. for its continued support.
Clinton repeated the tenets of America's "fight, talk, build" strategy for Afghanistan. The goal aims first to defeat dangerous extremists, win over Taliban militants and others willing to give up violence and help in the long reconstruction of Afghanistan ahead.
Reconciliation efforts haven't gained steam, but Clinton said she was pleased to be meeting the foreign ministers of Afghanistan and Pakistan together in Tokyo — a three-way relationship seen as key to stabilizing Afghanistan.
Afghanistan becomes the 15th such country the U.S. has declared a major non-NATO ally. Others include Australia, Egypt, Israel and Japan. Afghanistan's neighbor Pakistan was the last nation to gain the status in 2004.
The declaration was part of a Strategic Partnership Agreement signed by Presidents Barack Obama and Karzai in Kabul at the beginning of May.
On July 4, the U.S. ambassador to Afghanistan, Ryan Crocker, and the country's foreign minister announced that the two countries had completed their internal processes to ratify the Agreement, which has now gone into force.
From Kabul, Clinton is heading later Saturday to Japan for an international conference on Afghan civilian assistance. Donors are expected to pledge around $4 billion a year in long-term civilian support.
Clinton arrived in Afghanistan unannounced after travelling from Paris, where she attended a 100-nation conference on Syria.
U.S. officials traveling with Clinton declined to say how much aid the United States would pledge at the Tokyo meeting, nor how much was expected to be committed overall as the international community seeks to back the Afghan economy and prevent the country from sliding back into chaos as foreign troops withdraw.
The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report.
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She can stay there.
Truly a diplomat of conscience. More than a huge responsibility. Karzi will abscound with who knows, a billion? Na. Millions probably. And each of us a thread in the corrupt fabric of america wondering just how much money, is there, on the planet? Clinton has proven herself worthy of what an american can do to TRULY serve your country. You haters were proven daily phonies long ago. lol
You are LOL
@rockymtnroustabout #1.1: Very much agree with you. Hillary is one tough lady. Dedicated, well spoken, and both liked and feared by our adversaries. I like and respect the hell outta Her.
Great, SofS just gave a down-payment of $ 2,000,000,000 American taxpayer money to the U.N. for "Climategate" (or was that money for ANYTHING /) and now she is in Kabul to give Afghanistan how much $$$$/weapons/material ? Did the photographers use a wide angle lens ?
Bedore handing out the $$$$, make sure EACH SINGLE BILL is marked and have the DOJ track them.
Sheeesh, send her, Bernanke, or Geithner anywhere overseas and they give our money away.
Yes, I would like to see Mrs. Clinton wearing a pair of COMBAT BOOTS. Nah, she wouldn't do that since she proclaimed she was a "Modern Day Progressive" in the 2008 Democratic campaign.
BTW: MSNBC.....the True American "spelling" patrol is at it again......MATERIEL ?????
Hilary was the messager sent by DC with a promise to continue to support the an enemy. Remember the Taliban.
I'm trying to reply to the twerps who never bothered to look up "materiel" but they didn't have a reply link.
Materiel means military equipment, admittedly of French origin with an acute accent over the first e, but perfectly correct here. Amazing that complainers don't check first.
Anyway, with that off my chest, the main point missed by most is that the Brit and the Yank governments are deeply in bed with the weapons industry. Policy: 1: False Flag; 2: invade and demolish; 3: the coup de grace, sell them a planet-load of WMD to re-arm to keep the conflicts burning, and then the lovely, clever little deals with crony contractors to rebuild all that we destroyed. It's been the stuff of a couple of movies already, fun to watch but a nightmare to realise it's reality. Oh boy.
why is it every other month were trying to make nice for a country we have been fighting in for 10 yrs. I'm sick and tired of making consessions and apologys WHEN OUR SOLDIERS ARE BEING AMBUSHED BY OUR AFGAN TROOP WE TRAINED TO PROTECT THEMSELVES..
We should just get the f*@k out burn down the poppy fields and leave and take our tax payer monies with us and let that armpit of the world stay the way it is. you can only try and help people but stupid is as stupid does and right now were STUPID !!!!!!!!!!!
Yup we need to give up and GTFO. We never learn.
You bet! Let her make sure that Karzais and Pakis don't steal too much of our hard earned tax monies!
Pakis got major non-NATO ally status first and now Afghanistan!
In Afghanistan, Pakis have backstabbed the US and NATO forces big time. Half of NATO forces deaths are due to ungrateful and backstabbing Pakis.
When the NATO forces were entering Kandahar in 2001, Pakis airlifted key al-Qaida, Taliban, ISI and others militants by back door from Kandahar.
This includes Mullah Omar, Osama and many including Paki Haqqani militant network leaders.
Hope you remember about Pakis sheltering Osama.
These Paki Islamic religious Nazis don't bother about their people and they are into reckless killing games in the name of jihad.
Drone attacks are not enough and to reduce NATO forces losses, Paki militant areas should be carpet bombed just like 1991 Iraqi war.
Or else quit these dramas; cut losses and run!
Of course, Hillary should stay there up to last! It will be a breather from Syria and Iran.
easy translation. billions or more of your tax dollars going to this country. what else has this creature done. flew around and promised 100's of billions of dollars to other countries. she is and always has been a joke and a cancer to america.
great give these idiots more @!$%#ing weapons to kill our troops !
Does everyone have a half baked idea of global tactics? brit, WMDs? (weapons of mass destruction). Seriously? Billions of dollars out of tax pay? You people are silly beyond measure. Research helps those who are not so lazy. The U.S. and NATO have billions of dollars worth of surplus materiel (surplus meaning sitting around doing nothing) which they maintain in order to supply and re-arm allies and on occasion local military groups against major nation enemies. We wont spend more on new stuff for them brainiacs. We will not be sending them weapons of mass destruction (brit look up what those are, you wont find tomahawks unles syou are browsing another prpoganda site) in reality we will be sending surplus from the region to a location (probably less then a 200mile delivery) and most of it will be what we would have left behind in the major withdrawal anyway. Fools and haters have to speak if only to hear congratulate themselves.
Sure; give them the surplus weapons and then call them suspected militants and drone bomb them. Its genius.
Ally? No sh**!! We took them over 10yrs ago. What a stupid and redundant statement by the State Dept.
May I ask who takes Hillary Clinton seriously? I do NOT !!!
I completely believe that Hillary Clinton has truly lost her reputation and value to the U.S.A.
It would be nice if she stayed over there where she believes she is doing some good.
In my opinion.
I don't believe what I'm seeing here and even GWB praised our relationship with Karzi so highly.
@ido, easy boy, your going to pop a vessel there. This is just stuff that we collected from the last few (continous) wars. It takes up space, has to be inventoried, and maintained. A few outdated trucks etc. Afgan just may as well be in the UN, you gotta admit there aren't to many possible friendships we can make there. The US has a reputation of only doing half the job than leaving (this is ine thing that really pissed of Bin Ladin, you rember him). If we stay the course, we'll piss off the Afgans to. You have nothing to worry about.
Sure,let's make it easier to give weapons to the same animals who shoot us in the back every time they have the opportunity....Lets give karzai,the yard gnome,a bunch more U.S. dollars that can be better spent here...I don't recall ol'Hillary,or anyone in her family actually serving in harms way......She doesn't know what it's like to to keep looking over your shoulder wondering WHEN your " Ally" is going to fire you up....."Afgan forces are improving thier capacity.."....WTF????? These people are dumb as rocks!!!!...They can handle something as simple as an AK,or an RPG...but have no concept of mainenance of anything...we see why they love car bombs....none of them can drive worth a damn....training them in anything from weapons,to map reading is alot like training a 2 year old...same attention span....these are our ALLIES.......We really need to make military service a pre-requisite to politics......maybe we wouldn't have so many wars.....guess we have to rely on our never-served campaigner-in-chief to not start WW3 before he leaves...............U.S.Army Disabled Veteran
EVERY time Hillary goes overseas the US deficit gets bigger. Really getting sick of working all day to read about some big ego in Washington giving my work to somebody in some foreign country so Hillary can pretend she is Ms President. ARE THE PEOPLE BEING ASKED IF THEY APPROVE OF THEIR MONEY BEING GIVEN AWAY??
Afghanistan is an "ally" WHAT? Ally implies we help you , you help us. Just what aid do we EVER expect to get from Afghanistan?
Most Americans want the US out of every foreign country......what we get is more overseas involvement every day.
Most Americans want all foreign aid to stop......what we get is announcement of more of our money being given away.
It is not the government of the people, it is government against the people.
Soooooooooo.........
All of a sudden these sk.anks are our "Allies" now? Why - Because Billary says so?
They'll magically come up from the stone age? Stop shooting at our troops? Planting roadside bombs? Brutalizing women and children? Does this mean we get to declare "victory" and go home?
Yep, there's nothing to see here, folks - everything is all better! All fine and good!
/Sarcasm off.
Well, now that she gets TRILLIONS of American Tax Dollars from Obamacare, She can pledge plenty! Sorry Barry and Hillary, OUR money is needed at HOME! You can’t BUY friendship!
America needs to take the checkbook off the Democrats!
Pakistan hid Bin Laden for years; Hillary making nice with them makes me wonder if she wasn’t paying Pakistan to keep him hidden.
By all means we must keep the MIC in biz well into the next Millennium. We keep adding our cute and funny posts while not changing the way things are done in Washington. It is not a D or R problem - it is a P (Politician) problem. The SCOTUS is now in the Political Process allowing Corporations to run rampant through our Government bribing anyone/everyone.
Insanity (defined): Doing the same thing over and over, and expecting different results.
Reform Campaign Finance and 2yr. term Limits on every level NOW!
2 years for EVERY position? Even President?! Hello?! Do the words "Constitution" mean anything to you, Romneycrat!?
Also, if we DON'T help stabilize the region, we WILL have another Osama. Someone will grow the balls to repeat 9/11 if we piss off the wrong group - I guarantee you it'll be one of the Taliban.
You can't solve everything by nuking every corner of the world. Nuke Afghanistan, and Iran attacks us. Attack Iran, and China and Russia come into the fight. Believe me, you do NOT want to bring those two into this mess.
The USA is not a god nation, no matter how much you try to praise it as such. Ignoring the rest of the world to lick wounds caused by a select group of ignorant idiots (read: Bush and possibly Romney of the LDS-KKK) is not a wise idea, since they DO exist. And just like us, they have their own problems to deal with.
China's military AND Russia's is nothing to sneer at. If you solve this issue without fighting, you spare many more lives. And wasn't it you Romneycrats who wanted the wars to end and the bloodshed and deathstream to be done with? If we nuke Afghanistan, then we'll be making real the Cold War fears that never came to be. In truth, eliminating Afghanistan puts a death sentence on us.
And need I remind you both Russia and China are much bigger than our nation? Both in population size and geographical size.
I agree with Hilary's decision - arm them to defend themselves when we leave, and pray they don't backstab us when we get out. So far it's looking good - they haven't shot her yet (the ideal move of one who TRULY hates America).
If Afghanistan truly was the martyr land of Al Qaeda, submitting an entire population to mass suicide by a nuke provocation would be an easy way to get everyone to hate us.
Just remember - neither Romney (who was pro draft during Vietnam, but ran to France to avoid the draft himself) nor any of his many perfectly healthy children have done ANY military duty. They have been too busy outsourcing jobs to make money to put in offshore accounts.
Want to stop wars?? Make sure the politicians are the first on the front lines to fight for "freedom".
Just think of it this way......America has a vast sum of military hardware that is out dated. What better way to get rid of this inventory of military hardware than to give it to Afghanistan a ---- 'major non-NATO ally.' Both the US and the military industry will benefit by doing this. And, the US can now develop better weapons once the old inventory is depleted.
The war tribes of Afghanistan will go through this out dated military hardware very....very quickly.
Yes a major ally. That makes them eligible for millions of dollars worth of wasted American money thrown down a hole. QUIT GIVING FOREIGN COUNTRIES CASH!!!!!
Crimson, your naivete is frightening! What part of INFIDEL don't you understand?
They wont shoot her, she gives them OUR money to help them destroy us! What they cant do physically, they do FINANCIALLY!
This is a Déjà vu moment. History repeating itself.
Afghanistan an ally? Now, that's funny no matter who you are. I think Clinton is suffering from Alzheimer's.
Karzai, is gone the day after our troops leave Afghanistan; the country will be ruled by the new Taliban backed government; at least they will have modern American weapons , tanks, and equipment, to join their other Muslim fundamentalists in their quest to destroy the Great Satan, aka, America, we are nuts.
Not quite sure what you think the Pakistanis should be grateful for.
In the 90's, we won the war against the Soviets and as soon as we had won, we packed up and left, leaving Pakistan's economy ruined, along with the largest refugee problem in the world, and Afghanistan in rubble. All throughout the war, we had told them we were their good friends, and as soon as we got what we wanted, we left. It eventually came back to bite us on the ass and we needed to get through Pakistan again.
This time though, they remembered what good friends we had been the last time. And they are in it for the money. Anyone who expects otherwise is nuts.
let's think bout that...they harbored saudi terrorist...creating a need for war...yupp them guys... our friends...
Yes, but at least our defense contractors will have made lots of money.
You know why it's so difficult to cut off aid to these foreign countries? Or, at least, make it dependent on them doing what is in our interests? It's because the 'aid' is in form of weapons. Our defense contractors have powerful lobbyists and they don't want their cash cows threatened.
So Egypt, for example, keeps receiving the 'aid', no matter what they do. Saudi Arabia is too rich to need aid, but they are a very powerful lobby simply by buying our weapons; so they export their fundamentalist Islam, pretty much with impunity.
In addition, the weapons are sold to dictatorships, and are often used to suppress the local population. The average Pakistani or Egyptian doesn't see the aid - what he does see is the gunship that the US gave to the dictator who is oppressing him. Is it any surprise we are not loved in the Islamic world?
This is the real reason our foreign policy is so-completely fooked. It is controlled by powerful lobbyists and not by the interests of the American people.
It wasn't harbor. It was storage. They were going to sell us as many al-Qaeda number two's as they could create. When they ran out they would eventually sell us bin Laden. Obama kind of circumvented that by finding him sooner.
This is capitalism at its finest.
Hillary ah works for the ah Zionists and ah not you or me, just like her ah husband who repealed the Glass Steagall act, and ah signed a bunch of international trade agreements so the Corporate ZioNazis who have all the money and never produced ah damb thing in their entire lives are able to buy our government up front. They sold and gave weapons to the Taliban, then to the Northern Alliance and now to who or what group of tyrannical thugs Karzai chums with. Ah why doesn't the United States of Israel ah get Henry Kissinger out of retirement so he can ah sell more ah weapons to Iran and then ah nuke them? That will make ah the US economy ah better?
Sooner or later, this will backfire on us, to the detriment of our troops or civilians. Trust these shrubs with weapons??? Think not!
Hilary is pathaetic, The Arab nations hate us and Afghan,Pakistan got us rapped around their fingers. So now we bow down to them and kiss up to these people who cannot stand us,hate us ,want us killed. All that $$$$$$$ that this country is given to them would of been used to pay our debts and help with our own country's problems. These animals are not our allies and Obama and Hilary are living in this dream world. PITIFUL.!!!!!!! Hilary is part of the third party with George Soros and I will never support or vote for someone who is involved with that low life.
How much more anti American can this administration become?...soon Obama will have the muslim brotherhood as part of his cabinet in an effort to "make bridges"...Afghanistan is historically a country full of opportunist traitors...Clinton should by property there
Why does the US need Afghanistan to be a non-NATO ally.
They have pulled the US into this War for over 11 years---Why are we fighting for them. Corrupt, Karzai is part of the Taliban Terrorists who have killed how many American Soldiers? Remember how he complains when there are multiple deaths of his Soldiers/Taliban by our Military? Obama has to apologize for each and every death of those backstabbers.
Americans are smart. This is just plain Propaganda for the Election in Nov. O has finally won the War there? Did you know that? Russia could not do it!
Poor Hillary--pumping out information that is not true, being coerced by her Boss. She knows it is not true.
One word, bull@!$%#. Afghanistan hates us. It's time we stopped flushing our tax dollars down the toilet that is Afghanistan and use the money at home where it's needed.
I hope the two nations stay allies long enough to see another term for the President, Barack H. Obama, and not falter when or if the next one not Obama comes in with false macho bravado against them or Karzai(Hopefully Karzai will continue on his meds with the help of American taxpayer dollars) Iran, Pakistan, Syria, etc.
Lady Cat:
True! All Americans can see thru this ruse of a lie.
Just wait for an "Helicopter" to go down. Has Karzai ever apologized to the US for his Taliban loyalty to the Terrorists?
Let's see now. What this accomplishes is that it allows American weapons manufacturers to sell all sorts of weaponry to Afghanistan, thereby providing all kinds of armament to the Taliban.
I don't think there are too many sane people running around that don't believe the Taliban will move in and retake Afghanistan (well, perhaps a clueless Obama) just as soon as the U.S. departs. The end result will be virtually identical to what happened in Viet Nam which is when the U.S. was forced out, the entire inventory or ordinance we supplied to the South Vietnamese government became the property of North Vietnam. Forgetting history is a recipe for repeating it.
You can also be certain the Taliban will have some of this weaponry well before the official overthrow because Taliban elements of the Afghan army will give to them.
Oh well, it keeps the American arms manufacturers in business.
well corporate american factories in japan and else where will make the guns...so they can get them made cheap and sold high...so corporate america can buy the politicians off...and live like fat cat's...
@FedUpWithFed - Wow. You're saying we can't have a little faith in anyone in Afghanistan. Are you so bigoted that you believe all Muslims are evil and all must be burnt on the cross in the name of your God?
I for one am going to have hope. I'll put my faith in the fact that they could've done something major to us long before now (excluding 9/11 - they weren't responsible for that).
And for those who want to argue that Afghanistan wasn't responsible for 9/11, Al Qaeda is a loose coalition - they don't hail from any one country. Rather, they are a collective assembly of all the extremist Muslims in the Middle East. Not all extremist Muslims are from Afghanistan, just as not all oriental peeps come from China, and not all our allies have to belong to NATO.
Sure, we can't afford to have our troops over there, but neither can we afford to leave this job unfinished. We'd just be giving way to another seed of possibility to a second coming of 9/11. I doubt you guys want THAT again.
So FedUpWithFed, I'm going to let you be paranoid and continue your own jihad against Islam. Meanwhile, I'm going to reserve judgement only for actions that appear as they occur. Meaning I won't hate unless given a reason.
What part of bigot is that? Do you even KNOW the definition or do you just throw out big words you dont understand. How tolerant are you? Hypocrite?
big·ot (b g t). n. One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.
Pick up a quran and talk to me AFTER you have read it!
I know this is ancient news, but I thought I'd leave a last line here.
I don't need to read the Quran to know that some people there have common sense. You seem to think everyone there follows the Quran hook, line, and sinker, no questions asked. That simply isn't the case.
Different versions of the Quran can be printed, just as, oh, different versions of the Bible can be printed? And in that same respect, everyone interprets those lines differently?
Change is possible - only saps like you would deny it. I'm gonna have hope because I've had anger and hatred personally corrupt my life, and I know how destructive it can be to let it rule how you think.
polomian in hillbillarry's breakfast
How much of that "aid" will go into the pockets of Karzai and his brothers before they dissapear to France or some other more civilized country?
William-360414
Ain't that the truth. How about tracking the serial numbers on all these Franklins and see where they magically turn up?
Most of the Pakis stole big time US economic aid in different forms. They nicely backstabbed the NATO forces!
Still criminal Gen Mush is hiding in London, President Zardari has many relations in the US with big time monies!
Though in Afghanistan, the list of looters may not be big! But scale of stealing is on a bigger scale in Afghanistan!
I don't think our government cares if we can say we gave them the means to defend themselves we can leave. I believe that's what it's about.
Do you mean like Romney did during the Vietnam War????
Afghanistan our ally, yeah sure. They are corrupt to the core, and 90% third world. This place will be right back where it was 6 months after we leave, count on it. When I read junk like this I think they've been hanging out in those poppy fields to long.
what does Romney have to do with this article kook?
Thanks you JBC-1236504.
The Fosz-4254828: What did you demi god Clinton do during the same war? *Not that it has Jack-ShlT to do with this thread*
At least we've got plenty of heroin.
4 billion dollars is pretty cheap. If it gains any kind of strategic advantage or results in some sort of future commerce it may be well worth it. Then again maybe it is not worth it. I just don't know and neither does anyone else who may post about it.
True enough, leroy! Those who know, aint postin. Those who post, don't know! So, we exchange prejudices, hateful thoughts, and other meaningless babble!
Do you mean the ( Rare Minerals ) ????????
wonder... if he offered her a cigar...to make her feel at home...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSdLEuYjHOE&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL4E2275BE201B7100
Why do we owe them anything. Didn't we give enough already in American blood?
We invaded them we weren't invited in. I doubt our expense in blood to conquer them would be a selling point.
America wants Afghanistan's rare minerals. And,......so does China.
How about Iraq Cas? What do you think Iraq "owes" America for slaughtering hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians for no reason whatsoever?
Hillary back in Kabul? She be dodging sniper fire again, HuH? Keep yo head down girl!
who gives a damb
Give up and GTFO!
U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton will be the President of the United States after Obama.
You be right. Plan now is to dump the village idiot, Biden and make Hillary the VP. Gives the girl a clear shot for the office in 2016. We would get two for the price of one.
DUMP BIDEN.
Max.....
please put down the Crack Pipe, back away from the TV......
remove the Vibrator out of your 'lower rear torso".....
get $1.50...... walk out your parents basement where you live.....
walk down the street to the Majik Market..... AND BUY A CLUE ! ! !
Allergic: All that for "that"? You are a funny person. Your avatar should be a clown. Just like your Mitt.
Sec. Hillary could not pass the Litmus test for a Presidential contender.
All we would hear about in the media (except NBC, ABC, CBS) is the Whitewater Real Estate deal, or the dumping of the Hollywood campaign contributors, or the Arkansas hotel deals.
Yep, being a "Modern Day Progressive", she would sell our National Momuments, including all the mineral rights, to the highest foreign bidder.
ldo: Some will do them before!
Many sold themselves and us dirt cheap with Iraqi wars and now are busy selling us cheap in Syria and Iran!
We will be taking more debts and then one day will have to pay!
Are attroneys Clintons fees so high!
Could any of you pass a high school exam to graduate?
@ido, get your lips off Romneys butt for a minute and look. 1 person agreed with you!
You must be "allergic" to yourself. What an asinine comment. Hillary becoming president is that ridiculous, that impossible to you Allergic? Hillary has an EXCELLENT chance of becoming president. Anyone who knows ANYTHING about American politics will tell you that.
"Yep, being a "Modern Day Progressive", she would sell our National Momuments, including all the mineral rights, to the highest foreign bidder."
You mean lowest foreign bidder. After all, she just gave another 2 billion to a government that is not our friend while calling them a major ally after they've done nothing to show they're an ally at all. The daily activity there is still denouncing America for being immoral decadent Western filth, even as Karzai smiles the sleazy salesman smile at Obama. Who smiles right back like an adoring puppy.
The moment we can get the Democrats and NeoCons out of office, the sooner we can get all these endless wars ended and go back to focusing on the fact they've destroyed our economy together while blaming each other publically for all of it. Once they're both properly accused by everyone involved, which seems to be more important than actually doing anything to fix what's broken, we can get around to fixing what's broken in our own country and make up some differences on our own budgetary problems. Speaking of which - she gave this money as a GIFT. Not a loan. And not with any involvement by the American People who are footing this payment while she keeps her millions safely tucked away. This means we'll never see this money again, not in the form of weapons, aid, or payback like a debt. Not even a pocket handkerchief. So our money and our war machines and our firearms are going to Afghanistan now while Detroit continues to become a ghost town and California continues to go further and further in debt, and while our children continue to get politicized at instead of educated by their teachers, and where our major industries keep needing bailouts because they can't produce anything thanks to a corrupt and criminal EPA.
So yeah. Lowest bidder, because giving away everything our people have worked hard to make, to produce, to even conceive of... that's how you define "Progress". Only a "Retrograde" person would expect something back, only an "Unenlightened" person would want a trade to be equally worthwhile for both sides of the table. Frankly, it's sickening how the most unenlightened of our people twist things to gain support from those who really want to be good people, all for a few stupid votes and millions in donations. All it takes is a little manipulation of the heart strings to loosen the purse strings, with a little condemnation and name-calling when people question or resist to bring them in line. How is that "Enlightened"? It's the behavior of schoolyard bullies stealing lunch money any way they can short of actually beating someone up; how long until the punching and kicking comes? Or has that already started with the governmentally protected racial groups that get to raise hell, break laws, and have no consequence applied to their anti-social behavior?
dwighthuth: That is your level!
With some like you no wonder the US had Presidents like Bushes who pushed us into most worthless and useless Iraqi wars and permitted Saudis and co to manipulate oil prices sky high!
Only Bush, Jr could open up Iraqi warfront without consolidating in Afghanistan.
Iraq and Afghanistan are the toughest battle fields in the world.
as heard in countless Trailer Parks in rural Alabama upon hearing this news:
- "Kooder, I jist read that a Hillbilly landed in Kabul. Aint Kabul in Pinkerton County?"
- "NO....NO SCRAPS, OFF THE COUCH, BAD DOG! ! !"
- "Hey Jetro, according to this, Jimbo Clinton gots himself a passport, an he done gone overseas"
- "Wilma, git your pants on...We're goin ta Golden Corral"
Excuse me, Tenn. and north are true Family Fuedin Hillbillies. Below Tenn. we just call them Hill Folks. Do not belittle the Hillbillys. Flat Lander
"6dogs" ---- you said that so well about the South Republicans ! ! ! !
That's another 4 B into pockets of corrupt officials.
Why does everybody think aide is always cash? They need weapons and ammo, things of that nature. Mostly stuff that is outdated, surplus and left overs from other wars. Mainly defensive type items. 4 bill of this stuff is peanuts. Heck, everytime I watched the evening, news when GWB was in office, he was borrowing 48 bill, 44 bill and giving cash to Iraq. Add this up 92 bill on the two amounts alone. I actually lost track on what it all would add up to. I'll bet he gave them well over a trillion.
@GBR, quite the contrary, Aganistan has a lot of mineral wealth and they know it. They actually managed to keep this detail hidden from the Taliban until a short while ago when the press found out about it and released the knowledge of it. They can become quite in industrial country and they want to. All the riches over there is not Oil.
Does that mean your corrupt Republican Congressmen in the state where you live? Corruption in Congress does have it benefits.
Money, ammo, oil, gas, weapons, it all costs the US, so yes when it comes down to it all aide is cash.
6dogs: "Why does everybody think aide is always cash?"
Maybe, Just Maybe because Her own Aid said:
"U.S. officials traveling with Clinton declined to say how much aid the United States would pledge at the Tokyo meeting, nor how much was expected to be committed overall as the international community seeks to back the Afghan economy and prevent the country from sliding back into chaos as foreign troops withdraw."
Just a Thot
You can pledge all the aid you want but Afghanistan is a country with few resources and tribal peoples. Aid won't change anything.
Yes, you are right. But, have you thought about the (Rare Minerals)?????? That is what America, China and Russia wants....and, will to go to war to get them.
If you give them corrupt tribes of Afghanistan the out dated military hardware from the US arsenals they will... well, need not get into that at this time.
Has anybody thought about the "Rare Minerals" in the United States that are just now started to be mined by a Canadian company using U.S employees? What is the deal having to go overseas for natural resources that we have right here? We have all of the reserves we need here if we are free to drill and mine for them.
Is everyone here in favor of shipping every single job in the U.S.A. overseas?
Hillary Clinton may be good as a diplomat, no telling what she offers besides money. Hope she stays overseas!
GBR---Problem is, they have a TRUCKLOAD of mineral resources including lithium....problem is, China will wind up with them all. :(
as heard in countless Trailer Parks in rural Alabama upon hearing this news:
- "Kooder, I jist read that a Hillbilly landed in Kabul. Aint Kabul in Pinkerton County?"
- "NO....NO SCRAPS, OFF THE COUCH, BAD DOG! ! !"
- "Hey Jetro, according to this, Jimbo Clinton gots himself a passport, an he done gone overseas"
- "Wilma, git your pants on...We're goin ta Golden Corral"
Why?Is that where Hillary will be working next?We can only hope....:o)
wilmer you gon'a wear that...pink fuzzy sweater...i'm get all xcited...break out the shine...we stay'n home...get'n naked and heading for the saw dust pile...
Is this Hilary hating a form of nostalgia for Right WIng Pinheads? Remember a few years ago befor President Obama the RIghties would say :ANybody but Hilllary?" THen they got somebody other than Hilary but were they happpy? WHy, yes. THey are ecstatic with President Obama and recognize that he is a leader of rare intelllect and character.
Hell yes,sell more weapons to the enemy..you know in your heart,they will be the next place we will have to return to.
yep we provide them weapons they sell to taliban or other terrorist groups and come back to kill us= then we can buy more weapons- and repeat the process all over- thats the way of the world
"U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton makes an unannounced visit to Afghanistan."
Was she under heavy sniper-fire as she deplaned? LOL!
I didn't like her video speech today much but if Russia and China are going to change there minds, then it was a help or it was just another negative speech directed to these countries. I like her seeing Hamid Karzai and people hope he is not killed because lots of there leaders and former leaders have been, in the last 10 years. Afghanistan needs a lot of help and it is a good idea to make them a non NATO member that is allowed to be sold certain things better then others. Most likely Afghanistan will slow down on problems over the years and will not be as much attention as it is now. Al-Qaida will just fade away as if it was never here because there money will run out and people are figuring out what they are doing to make money. Afghanistan will be back to where it was but with a new lession and skill of training of all the people who went there and served and taught them how to fight. It will make them stronger and bolder then before and give them more of an opinion then other countries in the region. Afghanistan needs to learn how to advance and build and develope more, it is a poor country and should work on better living for all and more equality and better money paid to people who work. They have a lot of catching up to do with some of the rest of the world.
The only problem(s) for them is Taliban, Al Quaeida, Extreme Muslum,and Islams. If they could get their industry started there routes are limited Iraq or Pakistan. Afganistan is rich mineral wise but shipping is a big headache.
Thanks again "6dogs !!!!" Most people writing their comments here have no idea what your talking about .....but, what you have said .... is the thing that is driving the interest of America and China.
Must be a bunch of oil under Afghanistan - just begging to be drilled. why else would The US government insist on keeping close by. The Afghans have already signed over rights to mine rare earth minerals to India and China, I guess the US is hoping to get cozy in return for some oil. I think the Russians might be keen to get their hands on that also.
Here we sit as a nation that has spent trillions of $$$ fighting wars and trying to bring "democracy" to Islamic nations that hate us. In the meantime, we can't afford to cover our taxpaying citizens with health care, jobs or a decent infrastructure. Its all about making profits for those at the top who find more money investing in overseas adventures rather than in our own country. We have no say as we're being told just to foot the bill.
You can't seriously believe we invaded either Iraq or Afganistan to bring them democracy.
I'm declaring my back yard as a country. !st country offering me a billion a year. I will allow them to grow a garden in my backyard. Fifty-Fifty on garden out put.
Soon at your local Walmart, Afghastan shirts. Watch out Vietnam, they will compete.
@deb, Pakistan is not selling us shirts, but have you noticed all the pocket and case knives that appeared on almost every stores knife case or buckets of them on the checkout counters lately. Ther are enough of these things there to supply everyone in this country with a least 10 knives. Pakistan, cheap Pakistani junk. If what you said about Wally World held water we'd be buying Pakistani Shirts.
If after fourty years I cant Grossly profit off my neighbor and justify it in my own mind as a reasonable business practice.As a capitalist dose that mean I have psycological problems?
I would take that to mean you have a heart or somewhere an honest bone in your body. There is an old saying about dishonest people and Polititions that would today apply to CEOs (Romney is a CEO not a politition) and Polititions still: "He hasn't got an honest bone in his body." This old saying still holds s lot of truth.
Over 2,000 American soldiers have died in Afghanistan so far, hundreds returning home with limbs missing - what for ? Hillary, Obama and Bush - what for !? The war mongers in both political parties are attempting to start another war with Iran; get ready for a staged, created incident just prior to the November elections. Good cover for Obama's re-election.
Maybe Congress will set aside their differences and veto this. Americans on the whole didn't want anything but revenge in Afghanistan not a step-child forever. 11-12 years now and nothing but failure. Did everyone notice all those flat beds and tractor trailer containers in Pakistan for 8 months or more. Yea, that was to supply 90,000 troops, right. 15,000 or less in combat MOS'es. Leaders of both screwed up parties need to set our priorities. QE3 to add more stimulus or get the $%*& out of the ME and Africa.
@Yank, maybe I can shed a little light here, Not quite sure what is involved at that level of logistics going into a country like we did in Afghanistan. They have it figured out what a force will need and have supplies all ready to go. They calculate a force size and send supplies for the estimated force size. plus the build up after. Those supplies you talk about are for the full Battle Plan. Since they decided to use less forces those supplies are still there. There is also a possibility that some of this stuff came from Iraq that what was not needed. The Military in their infinate wisdom possibly decided to create a Staging Area there. We have many Staging Area all around the globe.
So if your going to send in 90,000 troops you must send enough support for that many. If after your there you don't want as many troops the equipment gets stored for use later, who knows the plans can change the opposet way (more troops) and you need the supplies. You have them and don't have to pay return shipping. I was a unit Supply Sergeant and never worked on a project like an invasion but Supply Is Supply on all levels
6, that's the kind of specific, technical, practical info that we don't need here. We're not here to discuss anything, or to learn anything. We mainly want to express our frustrations, and air out our private lunacies. What good is hating somebody, if you can't drag it into every conversation?
It is not exactly a staging area, it is the land route into the black hole that we all know, those that read, was brought to a stop by Pakistan authorities after the combat operation against Pakistan troops was considered the last straw. It is seven months of accumulation of female hygiene products, hair color, mascara, make-up, underwear and additional camy boots in more shades of tan for the female troops. Your brainwashed Washington explanation is not much believed anymore when we see multi amputations from $10 worth of potassium nitrate.
We will be praying the banksters help us all if the young leader of North Korea decides 62 years is enough and attack the weak south. Odds will be like that of the last horse in the derby for the US and it's allies. The US will huff and puff but won't be able to use it's trillion dollar killing machines so the north will blow them over with the cold breathe of it's 1,000,000 man military.
Finallly a way to measure successs in Afghanistan - we have made it possible to set them up as a customer to buy our arms "MIsssion Acccomplished!!!!!!"
Ah I miss the 80s... the Reagan days... When Reagan paid Pakistan to train and arm the Taliban against the Soviets. He even personally met with the Taliban fighters and called them the 'moral equivalent of America's Founding Fathers.'
(yes, you can look this up. I WISH I was making this up...)
No argument here; Obama is just continuing with this practice.
I remember when we talked about Moral Fiber in this country. Now take a look around, oh Heck, just read some on the string.