Palin could paddle a canoe to Russia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB0aFPXr4n4&feature=related

"The Planet is doing fine!"

Hillary should be in Russia giving them aid instead of Afganistan.

At least 99 lives were lost which is a tragedy. A damn had burst from the rains.

I've seen a lot of insensitive people and their comments before, but wow.

I would hope that we might send assistance to any country with losses and damage like this.

That would beat sending money and weapons any day of the week in my book.

In my opinion.

Sure send money to the idiots that will never make it to the people.

I will NEVER send money to Russia or China after the s**t they are pulling in Syria as thousands and thousands die, F**K Russia. They dont care about human life so why bother, scab countries.

rocky-road95875

Who do you think armed the Syrian rebels? (Us) So we give them guns and send them to die, but stay far enough away to claim innocence. Russia and China aren't the heartless ones (well, they are). The people who run this country couldn't care less about human life.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB0aFPXr4n4&feature=related

"The Planet is doing fine!"

Great clip Sharktopussie! I'm sending it to my liberal friends! We just got back from a trip to Monterey/Carmel and Big Sur! George is right, the Planet is doing fine, it's just the people that are F***ed up!

notfiveo- 1st douche to inject politics, smooth move exlax. Mom must be proud

Maybe Sarah Palin can help from her bback door! LOL She should start seimming now and give them a row boat from her back yard.

nor should it- but HC will probably appropraite $$$$ billions to them instead of the people in our OWN country.

Actually.... Sarah Palin has moved here to Arizona.

My thoughts are with the families of lives lost and all the ones displaced.

Putin caused global warming - Bush and Obama, you are excused.

Dawn; I think it was mini Palin (whatever her daughters name is) who bought a home in AZ, then never moved in, she instead went to Hollywood to do a Reality TV show. Please excuse me - I have to go beat my head against a wall for knowing that trivia.

Jesse said: "help is not on the way....." Bah, like Russia needs your help. And you are right, help is not on the way. US is in no position to help anyone. You have your wrecked economy to fix. Good luck with that.

Floods on one continent droughts on another. Record heat waves--believing in climate change yet? I request that all the Tea Baggers hop on the Mormon/Scientology Space craft and go to the "new planet" to ease the stress on this one.

Maybe someone should tell the Russians about Al Gore? This is all part of his scam, you know.

oh here we go with the global warming ..

oh here we go with the global warming! ..

'Plotinus' was the name of a wise, ancient-Roman philosopher. Using his good name to post a global-warming denial puts an ugly stain of deceit on a name associated with the search for truth.

benji, I think he was being sarcastic. Al Gore warned of an increasing number of extreme weather events a decade ago, and he was dismissed as a scammer. Now we are seeing the extreme weather events he predicted, Plotinus was just saying sarcastically, "Well, these storms and floods must all be part of his scam."

The world climate is changing....very, very rapidly... now. It is now to late to do anything about it. Just enjoy the little we all have left.

Hey Byron where is Ole Mr Bore now? Did he fall of the face of the earth? No I am sure he is nice and cool in one of his mansions running up a bigger electric bill in one month the the rest of you on his bandwagon do in a year. So yes Byron he is a scammer. Don't do as I do, do as I say, the worst of hypocrites and you chose to follow him and his preachings?? What a sheep you are.

It is climate change, and at this point in time it would be like trying to reverse the Mississippi. Point being, it doesn't matter how we got there.....it's on its way.

One flood, one hot summer or one cold winter: none of these things prove or disprove anything regarding global warming. To cite individual weather events as some type of "Aha!" moment is unsupportable.

This is just a flood. These things do happen in this world, and have happened before.

To gauge the degree to which the climate has warmed over the past 50, 100 or 1000 years, one has to look at aggregate data over time. To assess causes, one must look at what factors have [or have not] changed during the same time periods.

To cite Al Gore either in support of or to discredit the concept of man-influenced climate change is ridiculous. The man is a horse's ass, but the idea of human-influenced global warming did not originate with him and it does live or die on his merits.

This flood in southern Russia is just a flood in southern Russia. It is not proof of anything except that when a lot of rain falls, people get wet.

Ah my dear Watson, but many floods and many extreme climatic changes that don't fall in the norm do.

Hey, Spanky, be quiet. Even Nasa "believes" in Global Warming...

http://climate.nasa.gov/keyIndicators/

Ah my dear Watson, but many floods and many extreme climatic changes that don't fall in the norm do.

No question, Mr. Holmes. But, my cocaine-addled friend, this article is only about a flood in southern Russia, and neither it, nor any of the loud theorists on this page offer any supporting evidence to fit this incident into some larger pattern.

On a more serious note, and leaving aside references to Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's fictional characters, there is little doubt in my mind that the climate is growing warmer, and that this is largely due to the activities of humanity. But to point at a particular flood, hurricane or heat wave as proof of global climate change is no more supportable than to cite a large snow fall, or the too obvious character flaws of Al Gore, as proof that it is all a hoax.

But I guess such obvious reactions to each and every weather event are as inevitable as cars slowing on the highway to view an accident in the opposite lane of travel. As one sits helpless, stalled in traffic, one can fume at the antics of this particular fool or that one, but it is a virtual certainly that one or more such fools will be present at any accident, or will respond to the reporting of any extreme weather event.

Personally, I'm kinda glad most of you here have no idea what is going on. It'll be easier in the end on the survivors. This is a sign, death will come like a thief in the night to the unaware. This flood and the current heat have to do with a huge solar system-wide alignment involving Venus, Jupiter and a particular Constellation. But go ahead, play in the sun, use your fossil fuels to overeat then throw away all the trash. Might as well put it in the river directly. Save the water now or fail to do so at your own peril, Humans.

Call them useful idiots: useful to the ruling corporate class and idiots who have been around forever, like those who thought the Earth was flat.

The Global Warming scam has made Al Gore a very rich man! Mother Nature laughs at wimps like Al Gore!

The 'extreme' weather we're having right now has nothing to do with global warming, carbon emissions, etc... it's just one more instance of Mother Nature throwing a hissy fit! The same thing has happened (sometimes to greater extremes) many other times in the history of this planet....

Climb out from under your blankets libbies and enjoy your life! "Don't worry, Be Happy!"..... smarter words than Gore has ever uttered!

People can delude themselves into climate change denial, but what is not deniable is that as humans breed too much and move into marginal areas to put urban zones where they should not be, there will be more "natural disasters" like the ones we see more and more of. Our species has exceeded carrying capacity, and is living in places that are prone to floods, etc. Try to deny that! And for MikeD above, your "don't worry, be happy" idea is what a 2-year-old baby thinks like. Adults who have brains and maturity are able to face the truth, rather than go la la la like a child would do. Grow up and face reality.

I just left Sochi on Thursday. The Krasnodar Region is a beautiful area. I am there on a regular basis. I have checked with the people I know know in the region and they are okay.

Notfive0... Just a reminder. The New Madrid Earthquake in the early 1800's in the central US, caused the Mississippi River to flow backwards. Plate tectonics influences world geophysical events. For all you "End of the World " enthusiasts who regularly fall short in your prognostications, the planets were supposed to get aligned in the early 1980's, The New Madrid Fault was supposed to crack open again, only that time all the world was to end in fire and earthquakes and melted glacier floods and etc. There have been a number of ends of the world in my lifetime. They get pretty boring after awhile, especially when you stay up late at night so you don't miss the action... and you still have to work the next day. At least the flooding in Russia proves that all the water that is missing in America's heartland right now, wasn't siphoned off to a spaceship from Mars and left planet Earth entirely.

Miked-332794. You speak as if Mother nature is an actual being capable of throwing hissy fits and feeling other human emotions. What a load of Dark Age mythology. Climate change exists and is being complicated by human and other mammalian activity. Denying it is as believable as Earth Goddess Gaea awakening from a centuries long sleep to regain her kingdom.

Right on piglizard. Global warming is real. Just not in the way the politicos are presenting it. This planet has experienced warming and cooling cycles since before we ever showed up, or for those of the religious inclination, since God ever saw fit to put us here, if you prefer. While our presence is more than likely a contributing factor in this particular warming cycle, we are not the sole cause of it. Any one who tries to convince you otherwise is either hoping to make money or maintain their position off of your fears and insecurities or lack of knowledge. Don't ever let your leaders tell you what to think. Think for yourselves, as human beings should. Try having faith in yourself. Now there's a novel idea. Political parties, religions, faith based things, yadda yadda yadda. If you have to believe in something, why not believe in yourself and your own abilities and the Human race. It's been around longer than any other organization on the Earth, political or religious.

Benji,

Sorry my sarcasm went past your head. If you spent much time on the msnbc blogs you would see that I am one of the staunchest defenders of the science behind global warming. It always bugs the chitt out of me to see people clamoring about Al Gore because his issue is so defined within local American politics, when obviously the whole world is being effected. There are very educated professional scientists around the world studying this who probably care less about ANYTHING Al Gore says about the subject. I actually detest the ignorance of the deniers and consider their ignorance to be a real threat to us all.

But rather than try to engage the nuts with logic and reason (which obviously doesn't seem to work) I prefer to use sarcastic humor.

The Global Warming scam has made Al Gore a very rich man! Mother Nature laughs at wimps like Al Gore!

miked - not to derail your delusional tirade, but Al Gore was a very rich man, before entering the public arena, and before he wrote his book. His family comes from money.

Thanks for the explanation, Plotinus, the sarcasm did go right over my head (whoosh).

In addition to unfamiliarity with a poster's previous writing as you noted, sarcasm can sometimes go over someones head because they aren't familiar with the contextual significance of a particular code word or phrase such as a reference to Gore's "scam," as Byron pointed out (#2.6).

Happy to learn that old Plotinus' good name is unsullied after all.

Notfiveo:

Русским не нужна ваша помощь, можешь не переживать. Тем более от таких АХА как ты!

While our presence is more than likely a contributing factor in this particular warming cycle, we are not the sole cause of it. Any one who tries to convince you otherwise is either hoping to make money or maintain their position off of your fears and insecurities or lack of knowledge.

Our planet entered the cooling phase of the latest glacial/interglacial cycles 8,000 years ago. We should be heading towards the next Ice Age. Instead, we're warming more rapidly than the planet did during the last Great Extinction event (the PETM) 55 million years ago.

The PETM saw global temperatures rise 5C in just 20,000 years. It wiped out many lifeforms on the planet.

We're currently on track to accomplish that same temperature increase after just 250 years of human-caused CO2 emissions - by 2100. Which lifeforms will survive that, if they couldn't adapt over 20,000 years last time?

Anyone who tells you this is 'normal':

is either hoping to make money or maintain their position off of your fears and insecurities or lack of knowledge

Physiscist-retired - I agree with your post. Unfortunately it confronts people with the necessity of fundamentally changing the manner in which they live, and adopting greater energy expenses, all because experts [and the recent temperature records] indicates that we are artificially modifying our climate.

That is a tough sell, and people can still point to occasional snowy winters, cold snaps, etc., with enough regularity as to assure themselves that nothing is going on.

So, it is not just those trying to make money off of people's fears, it is people themselves who are resistant to the idea, and they will remain so, until the change [and its consequences] become inescapable.

As was said in the old Pogo comic strip, "We have met the enemy and he is us." .

While our presence is more than likely a contributing factor in this particular warming cycle, we are not the sole cause of it.

It is curious, but people who post the above sentiment are usually at a loss to explain what other factors are at work. The sun has not grown measurably warmer over the last 50 years. There has been no spate of massive volcanic eruptions, which could possibly account for the rise in CO2 levels in our atmosphere. They must envision some cosmic thermostat, controlled by God, which periodically dials up or down the earths average temperature.

Human nature, I guess.

dman,

it is people themselves who are resistant to the idea

Change is difficult. I agree.

And yet many countries have already achieved a fundamental change in mindset. I look at the decades-long public awareness campaign undertaken by Denmark (beginning in the 1980s), with the end result that Denmark will cease using of fossil fuels for generation of electricity in just 8 years now. And the Danes support it wholeheartedly.

It takes time - but it can be done. Now we're getting close to the time when we'll lose control of this situation. Another 10 years of global inaction will create conditions where natural feedback loops kick in. We can't stop them. It will be completely out of our control - no matter what we do.

Do you think we'll get that kind of cooperation over the course of the next two Presidential cycles?

Have you thought about what will happen if we don't?

Do you think we'll get that kind of cooperation over the course of the next two Presidential cycles?

No. That was an easy question; they cannot even make a sensible decision regarding the national debt.

Have you thought about what will happen if we don't?

Difficult question. At some point the consequences of the status quo will be come too self-evident to be denied. What transpires then will to a large extent depend on the degree of endemic conflict afflicting the world.
While I do not really believe that global warming will make the world uninhabitable, it may well cause extreme shortages of crucial resources, such as arable land and fresh water. Such competition could well spark a third world war, and given the type of weapons [nuclear, chemical and biological] available, it seems likely that WWIII would be what WWI was supposed to be, the war to end all wars.

In partial defense of our own country's comparative inaction [relative to the Danes], use of fossil fuels is far more baked into our infrastructure, in the form of automobile transportation. There is also a deep distrust of government in the mindset of many Americans, which makes it easy to turn a collective blind eye towards the problem.

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There is also a deep distrust of government in the mindset of many Americans, which makes it easy to turn a collective blind eye towards the problem.

You've nailed the central hurdle here, dman. We've has 30 years of 'Goverment is the problem, not the solution'. Now, when we find ourselves in a really trying situation - which only the government can solve - there's no trust left.

Shame on all who promoted that short-sighted meme.

Well, if these people had voted for McCain, they might not have seen this kind of flooding.

Are we so jaded we can't express heartfelt sorrow for the people of Russia? Are we so jaded we have no concern for those lives lost?

Would all of these sh##bird comments fly if the story had been about Colorado Springs disaster?

Grow a heart.

Obama....happy now?

Nope. Might as well have said "Bush" (league). Same difference.

Nobama 2012! End the error!

How's that libbies?

Mark from Lake Tahoe. Pretty lame, right winger.

At least somebody is getting rain.

Mr. Binkie

At least somebody is getting rain.

Yes but in monsoon type proportion which historically only occur in the tropics and sub-tropics. Maybe southern Russia, parts of our Mid-West among other places are the new tropics. Dry weather will be drier, and wet weather will be wetter.

....and others are flirting wit melanoma.

So, makes me wonder, explain to me, if you can, what has global warming to do with this weather EVENT.

Wally,

Until the 1980s, extreme weather events like heatwaves, drought, torrential rains, flooding, extreme cold, blizzards, and the like, affected about 1% of the Earth's landmass in a given year.

The percentage of landmass affected by extreme weather has been increasing rapidly since the early 80s, and we now see extreme weather affecting about 10% of the landmass in a given year.

A 900% increase in just 32 years.

Even more telling, heat-related extreme weather is rising quickly, and cold-related extreme weather is declining.

Did climate change cause this torrential rain? One can say that climate change made this event 900% more likely. We have loaded the climate dice. All that excess heat in the atmosphere (read energy) creates ever more extreme weather events.

I don't think it's going to work. It's very difficult to explain probability and statistics to someone hellbent on not understanding it.

Wally-1853299

So, makes me wonder, explain to me, if you can, what has global warming to do with this weather EVENT. Use science to explain to me how this happened. You can't, because there are too many variables.

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Wally do you know how ridiculous you sound? So if this event cannot be used to examine global warming due to fossel fuel use, that mean each and every other weather event cannot as well. That's just logic in your funny mind. You know nothing about statistical analysis, nor method and design in research, albiet it in science or economics. If you think that 97% of doctorate level climatologists do not know what they are talking about or lying, then you should be able to claim the same on 97% or as little as 60% of doctors of medicine, nuclear physics and so on. You say there are too many variables, well the scientific method has long since cleared that problem up, beginning like 4 centuries ago. Admit it, you are grasping for straws.

Maybe you've got to start getting your information on earth science from sources other than the back of breakfast cereal boxes.

Oh please, extreme weather has been happening earlier than the 1980's the only difference is that with CNN, FNC, MSNBC and other news organizations we can hear about it in a day instead of a week or later

In uneducated hands, pseudo science and elementary explanations can be earth shattering research.......NOT!

Wally Are you from Texas? Have you missed out on learning how to Critical Think?

It's not just AN EVENT. Go back and do some study. There has been a mass of these EVENTS as you call them.

Ever hear of Duluth Minnesota? They too had a 100 yr rain in one shot. Look at the worldwide weather EVENTS going back years. Include areas of heavy drought, heavy snow, more forceful tornadoes, cyclones/hurricanes, excessive heat ( Remember the European one where thousands died?)

Use some critical thinking.

Don't tread on Texas. It makes you look like an idiot!

Oh please, extreme weather has been happening earlier than the 1980's the only difference is that with CNN, FNC, MSNBC and other news organizations we can hear about it in a day instead of a week or later

No one is ever going to argue that there was no such thing as extreme weather before 1980, FH. My own post says that it happened before - and typically affected 1% of Earth's landmass per year. Now it affects 10% per year.

That's not CNN reporting, it's data and analysis.

@ Physicist-retired

Climate shmimate...give me the record over say 500 years...a 30 year record climate wise is silly.

So you admit that climate change pretty much amounts to statistical analysis based upon a limited number of observations, rather than belonging in the realm of atmospheric physics. What a bunch of dumb arse's...who just don't get it. You simply can't link one storm (one event) to this debatable theory and say global warming caused it...it simply can't be done. I gave 3 examples that show a pattern here in Colorado. If it floods this weekend, you'll call it an effect of global warming rather than what it is...a storm brought on by a seasonal moist flow, surface heating, and very light upper winds. Any evidence that contradicts your theory of climate change you simply ignore. Talk about bias. Reasonable people don't believe pseudo-scientist bloggers with a political agenda. Do you know how stupid and uneducated you warmers sound? But continue the insults, I thrive on them.

So you admit that climate change pretty much amounts to statistical analysis based upon a limited number of observations, rather than belonging in the realm of atmospheric physics

I've said no such thing. That would be a remarkably foolish statement for a physicist to say. And did you even read the link, BTW?

Climate science includes physics, chemistry, oceanography, biology, geology, glaciology, computer science, and a whole host of other branches of science. And the research from every one of those branches intersects at the conclusion that the planet is warming, and humans are driving most of that warming.

You simply can't link one storm (one event) to this debatable theory and say global warming caused it...it simply can't be done

I agree, and so I didn't do that. I said that climate change makes such extreme weather events 900% more likely to happen. I think we may be having some trouble communicating here.

As for the rest of your post, I ignore personal attacks. I prefer to focus on facts.

Climate shmimate...give me the record over say 500 years...a 30 year record climate wise is silly

There is no 500-year record of extreme weather events. Do you really expect that native Americans kept detailed records of storms?

We do have a pretty good idea of extreme events since the beginning of the 20th century, however - and an excellent one since the 1950s. That's why I referred the the 20th century average.

Are you people even reading my posts?

Can you say "Catastrophic Climatic Destabilization"? I can.

Climate change deniers are ignorant redneck gasbags; and yes, as the posts above say, they are TOOLS of the forces that profit from the destruction of the ecological processes that have sustained life and supported the rise of civilization.

History will not be kind to them. Neither will their grandchildren.

Are you people even reading my posts?

I am Physicist-retired... thanks for bringing rational thought to an otherwise boring thread!

Global warming has nothing to do with it, it, like the current flood is due to galactic influences on our planet (and the whole Solar System). BUT human pollution, mining and oil production could prove to be our undoing as we go through this long cyclical thing that is going to bring severe weather and other earth changes putting drinking water in jeopardy for long periods of time. This will go on for the next 12 or so years at least. The overdependence on carbon emitting fuels and practices is poisoning our water and our environment. The earth will survive, we may well not. What's it going to be, People? ONE TRIBE Y'ALL. Sharing the planet with other tribes, plants, animals, stones, etc. WAKEY, WAKEY! Here comes the snaky.............

Prophecy of the Rattlesnake

The Stars above and its configurations hold TIME UNTIME within its grasp upon all life. As all cultures sustain a Zodiac system written upon Time Untime so also the Chickamaugan Cherokee of the Americas hold also an Ancient Zodiac of the heavens.

Within the Zodiac of the Heavens of the Chickamauga Cherokee are etched Ancient designs written upon and within the lines of seeing. The Cherokee Zodiac is alive and moves and spins upon the rings of TIME UNTIME. As the main outline remains its hold and is stationed in the sky of stars its movement within that frozen outline does indeed change with the movements of the other elements. Elements within the rotations planets, stars, and bodies of the heavens. As other cultures station their Zodiac as a permanent fixture the Cherokee Zodiac morphs or changes and becomes as if ALIVE. Always Alive, breaths, lives, and takes upon each constellation its own deeming of things, Time, Untime, and among those things, Prophecy.

The Constellations of the Chickamaugan Cherokee are 13 fold which contain the characterizations of mainly animals. Among the many design configurations seen written upon the stars are the designs of animals, objects, and many other elements of TIME UNTIME. The figures of the sky are totally different from other cultures of the Zodiac except for a rare few which seem to be similar. The only one which seems to relative to similarity is found within the Cherokee Constellation Scorpion and Snake and this in relation to others as Scorpio and Serpent.

This is the story of only one of those constellations. This is of the Cherokee Constellation Rattlesnake. And within this one Constellation is found a PROPHECY. Within the Rattlesnake of the Heavens is found TIME UNTIME foretold since the dawn of TIME.

In the sky is found the figure of a Snake. And upon this snake it is the outline of a Rattlesnake. Sometimes the Serpent and the Rattlesnake take on its bearing of one or the other but the Snake of the Rattlesnake is ITS design.

The Cherokee Rattlesnake Constellation is not like other cultures of the world. The Cherokee Rattlesnake in the Heavens has a head and winds itself back and forth with its body as in sidewinding itself to its tail. The boundary of the Rattlesnake is unlike the boundaries of other Zodiac cultures. In the Heavens the Pleiades Star System is found as the tip of the Rattlesnake tail.

The Rattlesnake of the Cherokee is very sacred and its sacredness is written even in the Heavens. Upon the mouth of the Rattlesnake is found 52 scales. These scales in number of 52 is written upon the Calendar of the Cherokee and upon the wheels and rings of TIME UNTIME. The Calendar of the Cherokee spins upon wheels and rings as a sophisticated dating system. A dating system that not only tells TIME of events, people, places, and things but also a very holy and sacred element within the Cherokee culture itself of ALL THINGS.

The Rattlesnake can sometimes be imaged as a serpent. To be a Serpent or to be the Rattlesnake depends on the knowing of the TIMES and TIMES of TIME UNTIME. To know the culture of the Cherokee and its Ancient design upon LIFE. One MUST know the things of TIME UNTIME in order to place the constellation as a Rattlesnake or a Serpent. But this is another story.

The stationary outline is always of the Rattlesnake. However upon the wheels of the Cherokee calendar is also found when where how what who in its changing and transformation. The transformation is not the changing of the shape of the Rattlesnake but the addition or subtraction of elements upon the snake itself. These things also tell the tales of the universe and all its bearing of what was, what is, and to be.

On the Cherokee Calendar a great thing is foretold of things about to take shape within all things upon the earth, the heavens, and the universe. And the Rattlesnake Constellation is one of those which speaks as a voice of TIME UNTIME of things to be.

Upon the Cherokee Calendar Rings and written in the Star Constellation Rattlesnake is a prophecy of TIME UNTIME.

And so it is thus foretold ....

When the Earth sees the fingers of Spearfinger strike Jupiter, when the ages of the Rings and wheels tell it is the ending of the ages of cycles of 5, this will be the sign for the whole earth, for all the earth will see this thing, to wake up from sleep. These fingers that stuck Jupiter was the comet fragments that hit Jupiter in the 1990s and the whole earth took of is majesty. This was the sign foretold on the Calendar for the Cherokee people to WAKE UP to come out of sleep.

The Cherokee Calendar also speaks its voice telling that at this time of the fingers striking Jupiter that Orion Star System will awaken. And the Pleiades and Orion will war once again as in old. Jupiter and Venus will awaken to its destiny of TIME UNTIME of cycles. Orion will WAR with Pleadies, Jupiter will WAR with Venus. The time of the Cherokee UKU's will be at hand.

In the year 2004 and 2012 an alignment will take place both on the Cherokee Calendar and in the heavens of the Rattlesnake Constellation both. It is the time of the doublehead serpent stick. It is the time of the Red of Orion and Jupiter against White Blue of Pleadies and Venus. It is the time of the Uku's choosing. It is the time of the Beloved Woman and MYSTERIES OF TIME UNTIME. It is the Time Untime of the THUNDERBOLT and the spirits of Lightning Mountains.

In the year 2004 and 2012 the Cherokee Rattlesnake Constellation will take on a different configuration. The Snake itself will remain, however, upon the Rattlesnake shall be added upon its head feathers, its eyes will open and glow, wings spring forth as a winged Rattlesnake, it shall have hands and arms and in its hands shall be found a bowl. The bowl will hold blood. Upon its tail of 7 rattles shall be the glowing and movement of Pleiades.

The Rattlesnake shall become a FEATHERED RATTLESNAKE or FEATHERED SERPENT of TIME UNTIME.

And upon the Rattlesnake is also the Milky Way. A crossing of the Milky Way shall be seen at these times.

For the center of the Universe is what many know as the Constellation Sagittarius by modern man. But upon this constellation of is also found the Pleiades Star system which is what is different in the boundary of others and the Cherokee Zodiac.

The Milky Way is ALSO a Tree ... STONE TREE. And upon Stone Tree is as a Tree with a tree trunk, branches, a top, and even roots. The Flower and the Tree is also a tassel as corn. And upon the flower and the tree is the TREE OF LIFE. REBIRTH, RENEWAL, NEW.

And the Cherokee Calendar shall end in the year 2012. But upon the times just prior shall be the Feathered Serpent and its prophecy.

Upon the Heavens design, within the Cherokee Rattlesnake Constellation, it is written. And upon the Rings of TIME UNTIME of the Cherokee Calendar it also says BEHOLD RATTLESNAKE CONSTELATION. And Remember.

The Rings of the Cherokee Calendar are read by the winding motion of the Rattlesnake. To Add or to subtract TIME UNTIME. To MOVE the Wheels backward or forward, to add a wheel to move the rings, to tell the tale what was, what is, and to be. The Rattlesnake and it design tells the movement of the RINGS OF TIME.

And in the sky heavens the motions of the movement of stars, planets, and life tell the tale of its bearing. For all is as the winding of the Rattlesnake. And in the year 2004 the Morning Star shall be first and in the year 2012 the Evening Star shall be first. And upon those years the crown of the Feathered Serpent shall bear its colors and honor. The hands shall hold the bowl and the tail shall be as the roots of a Tree, The Pleaides Tree of the beginning.

And in the Year 2004 and 2012 shall be the TIME UNTIME of the Feathered Serpent of the Sky Heavens. And the Rings shall turn upon those years of prophecy foretold on the Rings of TIME UNTIME. And Ywahoo Falls Kentucky shall sing of Venus and the Feathered Rattlesnake.

For this is not all the prophecy not all the things thereof. For if it was meant for one to know and I give only part, then you have received a great gift. For if I tell all and it was not meant for one to know then I have waisted my breath. For this is a sacred thing, the Venus Alignment and the Feathered Serpent of the Heavens.

And in the Year 2012 the Cherokee Calendar Ends. And all is reborn. For the Feathered Rattlsnake comes and shall be seen in the heavens in the year 2004 to 2012.

In the south of the americas ... it is related as the coming of Quetzalcoatl. The Ancient Cherokee relate it as the coming of the Pale One once again.

The Rattlesnake Constelation shall appear with the Venus Alignment. The Stars of the Heavens of the Cherokee Zodiac, the Rings of the Calendar, and The Venus Alignment tell the story of a Chickamaugan Prophecy. For they all are aligned in the year 2004 to 2012.

Yikes! Well at least we are tending away from the Democrats/Republicans recent administrations are responsible for Global Warming, and it is all centered around sin, and that in North Texas and the Kansas vicinity.

Much of the data I'm aware of, ( though it is world wide ) is in the polar regions, where scientists can bore into the ice and get samples of the atmosphere, or bore into the sediments long covered by ice, such as the waters of the polar seas. The arctic is having changes in flora and fauna, and beaches in the Bering Sea area are eroding causing changes to coastal living for the aboriginal peoples. There is no question that changes are not occurring. Glaciers are receding, in some places quite rapidly, which are noted with photographic history.

The question remains with the interpretation of the data, and what the individual interests are with the data.

Take the Good Friday Earthquake in Alaska as an example, a 9.0 seismic event, and the subsequent history of volcanic activity in the Cook Inlet Area. There is no question that in some areas the sea floor rose, and in other areas subsided. This would impact coast erosion significantly. Volcanic ash falling on glaciers would allow for faster melting by the sun. The collision of plates cause the earthquakes and the volcanoes, and Alaska is known to be on the Ring of Fire, just like California, or Japan.

But the polar ice melt in the Beaufort Sea, now that's subject to the air pollution from Eastern Europe, the smog from their industrial smelters. Industrial smog enters the atmosphere from China, or the Rust Belt of the Eastern US. Dust enters the atmosphere from Northern Africa, etc. Soooo.....

Is coastal erosion in Southern California from rising sea levels due to global warming, or regional seismic activity of the San Andreas fault line? Or a little of both? These findings impact building codes and urban planning zones and exclusion zones. We're talking billions of dollars in well or poorly thought out public tax investments.

Why doesn't Obama and Romney have a Science Knowledge debate? It's far better for the voters to understand that their president understands the reason the country has the seasons it does, so when they Request FEMA to cough up the big bucks for a hurricane disaster, or tornado disaster, or an earthquake disaster, or a drought disaster it's not about union jobs in Michigan... it's because the earth rotates and is tilted on it's axis, and the mantle of the earth floats on a magma interior, whether Jesus Loves You, or doesn't, and lost souls in Hell are keeping the furnace stoked or they aren't.

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Wally, It is a " Double edged Sword " what one has is HOTTER Days. that by itself will have generated more storms, because I am sure you will agree with the Hotter days the " weather system " will have more " energy potential " and hence the storms would be of more severity.

But, this also means that we have COLDER Nights, so what that does in combination with the HOTTER Days is a Multiplier of the energy that is available for Storms. Did that answer your question?

Christopher Deitz

Planetary Warming is the correct term. Global Warming is the BS they are pushing to blame us and charge a carbon tax.

How about Atmospheric, Terrestrial, and Hydrospheric Hyperthermia or Inordinate Greenhouse Effect on Planet Earth or call it what you want but you're the one trying to sell the BS.

Have any of you seen the hockey stick graph? It shows fairly clearly the spike in temps beginning with our massive burning of fossil fuels.

http://www.google.com.pe/search?q=hockey+stick+graph&hl=es-419&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=eI_5T4__GIqi8ATwlKH1Bg&sqi=2&ved=0CFQQsAQ&biw=1024&bih=574

There is a group of people who think it IS bad to think. I call them "useful idiots" and they know who they are!

Yes, they call them liberals...talk about useful idiots!

Good, we need a little more rain here in San Antonio.

Umm it was flooding and a mudslide? So the hill ideal would not work.

OK then a house on a well terraced hill.

MAT - natural disasters - as the result of mans contamination of the planet - you forgot that little important fact

Fred?

Did the earthquake in Japan happen because there are two many people on earth? Maybe we are squeezing the earths crust with all our overweight people? Hmmm think I will make a movie about this and make millions and get millions to follow me. You all need to eat less so I can keep my lifestyle.

lynd - no the earhquake did not happen because of body weight - makes no scientific sense - climate change and all the scientific data saying the gases man is spewing into the air - and the resulting extreme weather for all to see being connected - makes sense - we really should take seriously and try and do something - let me guess mr lynsky - you do believe in that talking snake in your magic garden - just cant get out of that fox box

Always the snide little insults, fred's a hater, and that is what haters do.

no not a snide little comment - opinion /observation - if you do indeed believe in talking snakes , excuse me that disqualifies you from normal discussion - if your mind does believe in fairy tales then your input and interpertation of anything science related is irrelevant - not hate, you got the virgin birth thing going on - does your view on anything real matter - just dont think so - your vantage point seems to be be a little skewed is all im saying - dont take it so personnel - your allowed to have your faith , just leave it out of grown up conversations

Which republican said that. And any talk of dust bowl is coming from the lame stream media.

Democrats = GREED, OIL, POWER

You just blamed this on GW Bush (league)!

Fred is full of hate...it is not good for you fred.

is that how it works - i do not agree with your faith and dare to contradict - so im a hater - no wally just rational - boy you guys used to go to the lions in the name of your faith now a little discussion and and questioning and you get all twisted - whats not good for me wal - telling you my beliefs - i feel great thx - your faith allows you to try stop birth control and gay marriage and my rational way of thinking allows me to say your beliefs are based on fairy tales - your such an expert on facts - which gospel written a hundred years after the events ( with no proof) have the story right

The deniers feel that the climate science is corrupted by liberal politics and greed for study grants, and there is a good reason they feel that way: it's what they would do if they were scientists. The campaign for the iraq war was an example of how these GOP types work: publicize and rely on any information that support your policy and ignore anything that goes against it. They don't understand that some people are interested in finding the truth no matter where that search may lead.

Kinda like how the Democrats got us into Vietnam.

Jimee,

It was the military/industrial complex/CIA that got us into Vientam. Presidents, whether Dem or Repub, just have to pretty much follow along behind.

Warmer air can hold more moisture, but it still has to cool down to the condensation point in order to rain or snow

The Olympics will be in Ukraine.

Correct Uncle Fester! Plenty of money and power to be gained by running the scam.

Hogbrain,

Concerned scientists around the planet are studying the global warming phenomena irregardless of whether they have even heard of Gore or not. You guys think within the little box that Limbaugh and Fox give you. The real scam is being perpetuated by folks like the Kochs who are pocketing much more money by avoiding regulations than Al Gore could ever make off his movies or carbon trading and using their legions of idiots like some of you deniers as their attack dogs.

What issue? Rain in Russia?