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A woman accused of adultery squats in front of a crowd before her public execution in a village outside Kabul in this still image taken from undated video footage.
U.S. and Afghan officials on Sunday condemned the public execution of an Afghan woman accused of adultery, saying her death “is an unambiguous reminder to the Afghan people and the international community of the brutality of the Taliban.”
The woman’s death, which was recorded, shows the woman, named Najiba, crouched, her back to a man identified as her husband. He is handed an AK-47 assault rifle, which he uses to shoot her from behind. By the third shot, she collapses, but he continues to fire 10 more times as about 150 men on a nearby hillside cheer.
The video was obtained by Reuters.
“They are brutal people and like savage animals, they killed another human being,” Basir Salangi, the provincial governor of Parwan Province, told Reuters. The village in Parwan where the execution took place is about an hour north of Kabul, the Afghan capital. “It is clear that they are outlaws and must be delivered into the hands of the law,” he said.
In a statement from the U.S. Embassy in Kabul, officials said the U.S. is committed to increasing “awareness of women's rights, to prevent and prosecute acts of violence against women, and to ensure that those responsible for such barbaric acts are brought to justice.”
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"This cold-blooded murder, carried out in front of a crowd and recorded on video, is an unambiguous reminder to the Afghan people and the international community of the brutality of the Taliban," the embassy statement said.
Ahmad Jamshid / AP
More than ten years after the beginning of the war, Afghanistan faces external pressure to reform as well as ongoing internal conflicts.
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, addressing a world conference on Afghanistan's future, said Sunday: "The United States believes strongly that no nation can achieve peace, stability and economic growth if half the population is not empowered."
Such punishment is a reminder that, although there are 430,000 foreign and Afghan forces on the ground, the Taliban still controls large swaths of the country. Women’s rights activists in Afghanistan told Reuters they worry that violence against women may be on the rise as President Hamid Karzai’s administration focuses on 2014 – the date President Barack Obama has set for pulling out U.S. troops.
Afghan Taliban publicly execute woman accused of adultery; men cheer
Najiba, believed to be a mother, was found guilty of being sexually connected to two Taliban commanders – whether by rape or consensual sex is unclear, Reuters reported. Taliban officials then convened a quick trial and ordered her execution to settle the dispute between the two commanders. The killing occurred in late June.
In the video, before Najiba is shot, a bearded man reads verses from the Quran condemning adultery.
"We cannot forgive her, God tells us to finish her," he says. "Juma Khan, her husband, has the right to kill her."
U.S. delivers 'powerful commitment to Afghanistan'
As Khan approaches Najiba, another man states, "Allah warns us not to get close to adultery because it's the wrong way. It is the order of Allah that she be executed."
Reuters TV
Men in the crowd watch as a man, who Afghan officials say is a member of the Taliban, fires his rifle at a woman accused of adultery.
Najiba’s execution follows on the heels of the beheading of a 30-year-old woman and her two children last week in eastern Afghanistan by a man police say was her divorced husband. Their deaths, women’s activists told Reuters, is the latest in a string of “honor killings.”
There have been 16 recorded cases of these honor cases in March and April, according to Afghanistan’s Independent Human Rights Commission; last year, 20 were recorded for the entire year.
Commissioner Suraya Subhrang told Reuters she blamed the sharp rise on increased insecurity and weak rule of law.
"There are many that go unreported,” Subhrang told Reuters. “Men make a quick decision in their own courts to kill a girl and hold a prayer for her the next day."
Reuters contributed to this report.
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Why condemn the murder? This is only a tip of what we will see when the Taliban (and other like groups) take over. Obama has all ready decided Afghanistan will fall the very same way Vietnam did. By letting the Taliban come back into power, BHO is enabling the killing of women. Acid attacks on Women. Depriving women of an eduction. Beating women who do not look Arab enough. Like a said, this is just a preview but, you can be sure the media will never comment about BHO's part in this.
The fact that you are going to blame Obama for something that hasn't even happened and ignore the hard fact that Bush started, and bungled, the war in Afghanistan while he was preoccupied by the illegal war he started, and bungled, in Iraq mere exposes you as a liar and a hypocrite. Shame.
And Obummer said we would get out of Afganistan. Your Point? ^ NATO troops killed should have been the Headline. The woman executed for adultry is unfortunate, but under this 12th century religion, that is an extremist view on the how they rule. Nothing is going to change in that sh--hole.
To say this is Bush's fault or Obama's fault is narrow-minded at best. As long as the Afghan's, and their government, allow the Taliban and their medieval methods to exist nothing will actually ever change in that country. What would make more of an impression after an incident like this is for every major Muslim-based organization, worldwide, that espouses peace as the true Islam to publicly (very publicly) condemn the act. It is not enough for governments to be the only ones to do so.
The intelligence level keeps sinking to a new lows when people blame Obama or Bush for a beheading or a tragic bus accident. I don't know if it is mental illness or rabies, but really sad either way..........
And we keep sending them money?
Why did we not just level that country?
onermailliw, I'm curious. When you refer to the President as Obummer or one of the variations I've seen, are you so stupid to think that's how his name is actually spelled or do you think you're clever? If it's the former, you've succeeded, if it's the latter you've failed.
It does not matter who the president is. These so called "honor killings" have been going on since the start of this religion and will continue. Religious fanatics...
I'm just wondering, who and where is the man she supossedly commited adultry? When and where was the man shot for adultry. Oh that's because muslim countries only blame wormen for sins, not men.
What exactly is the difference between the Taliban executing a woman for adultery and the religious right in the US attempting to legislate morality through contraception and abortion. The answer is blood flow and semantics.
john, you aren't serious, are you?? There are many who know, through science, that life begins at conception, and they work to protect that life. I'm not positive, but I don't know anyone being denied contraception. In fact, contraceptives are very easy to get and very inexpensive. You make your position irrelevant when you equate the Taliban and the religious right. There's no moral equivalency!!!
CME mgmt
I disagree. They are directly equivalent in that it is a small group of religious extremists attempting to control the morality of the majority. While they may be different in approach and harshness, their premise and goals are the same.
And their goal is the same in either instance. CONTROL
The talebans will never come back to power They are kaput like the nazis in Germany and will never come back to power When the bit the dust at Kandahur etc it was forever.They are a terrible terrorist group but they are permamently on the run. About 20 or more countries would bomb the h--ll out of them if they got even close. Their reign of terror in Afghanistan means they are permanently disqualified. Only about 200 countries will make sure that they never come close to the presidential place,And if they did.all the talebans would be dead very very soon. A simplistic version perhaps.. but the talebans had their chance and they blew it and were blown away from power.They are a brutal monstrous terrorist but that´s all they can hope for!!
The Taliban and the American religious far right might "differ in harshness," John says. Well, yeah, there IS a difference between denying women abortion rights and shooting them in public while crowds cheer. Now, I have always been pro choice myself, but I still see that difference in harshness...and it's a darn BIG one!
Cassandra-854239
You may not agree with my perception, and that is your right, but in my view it is a life sentence either way. One is quick, the other is twenty years, and most likely the sentence will be transferred to the child.
Soory bart: the taliban is alive and well and refilling their ranks. Their website has already gotten a statement made for when we do get run out of afghanistan by them, i mean leave. They will take back over the entire country, with little or no trouble as they have the backing of the majority of the population. Well the men at least, the women dont get to choose. It is the same in varying degrees in all the arab countries. In egypt there was a news reporter that was raped. the liberal news media stated it was thugs. It was not it was just a few average egyptians. the woman was wearing a shirt that said love me or something so they abliged her.
the same mess goes on. Just look at the countries where women are not allowed to drive, must wear bhurkas, cannot go out in public without a male relative. the west can barf all it wants, but it will continue.
With over 2,000 mosques in this country now, we need to worry about the religioun of "piece" coming over here. Course i would like to see the answer from the supreme court after an honor killing and the religioun of piece claims a separation of church and state.
You cannot regulate morality. neither democrat nor republican will do that here. But there the taliban, hamas, etc etc, have the 100% support of all the people. Either because they believe the crap fatwas the imams put out, or they are too afraid of being killed for being an infidel.
Obama said he would stop the wars. well he is building this one up and making it last longer, on borrowed money we dont have. Mostly so the depression after the war will hit after he is elected. The recession same as after vietnam, except the economy is already toast.
The arabs in the end want to start with the middle east under one caliph. the interesting part is a lot of the fighting between the sunnis and the shiites, is because one believes the caliph has got to be a direct decendent of moHAMed, the other does not.
That is a rilly good liberal dream. I rilly enjoyed it. We are all the same. We all bleed the same and thats about it. We are caused to bleed for differant reasons. And over there are many more reasons.
Why was the other party to the adulterous liaison not executed in the same fashion at the same time??
Perhaps we should start arming the girls and women?
“It is clear that they are outlaws” Gee, you think! the whole rotten country is crawling with outlaws.
We have to remind ourselves every day that if these people wanted true democracy then why did they rename their country "The Islamic Republic of Afghanistan". When religion has a strangle hold on a country, religious atrocities like this SHOULD be expected and in "The Islamic Republic of Afghanistan" in particular this type of behavior is only going to get worse.
BRING OUR PEOPLE HOME NOW!!!! We should just let this snake pit of religous hate rot on the vine.
Condemnation by Hillary and POTUS but why do we still have troops there? Why is Obama still pouring billions of wasted $$$$ into this war?.
Even the head of Republican Party, Michael Steele, went on record and asked the same question Did we not learn anything from history and Russia's long fought war in Afghanistan? Bush and the blame game is nauseating to everyone, Democrats, Independents and Republicans.
You righties who are bashing our President will bash him no matter what he does. If he got us out in 2010, you would have said he was cutting and running (you know, like Reagan did in Lebanon--only you didn't bash Reagan for that).
Personally, I wish he would have gotten us out right after de facto president Cheney left office, then ordered an independent investigation into Cheney's revenge-outing of a NOC CIA agent. This President whom you hate has also suppressed the report on how many agents and contacts were murdered as a result of Cheney's exposing not only the agent, but her front organization under which she worked, which exposed all other agents under that same front company.
Obama has covered Cheney's a**, and I'm sure you were outraged about that, right? Hypocrites!
You mean like the doctor the Obama administration exposed?? The one who gave us definitive proof that OBL was in Pakistan? The same one that will now rot in a Pakistani prison, if not killed, due to the OHB exposure??
It's still will be a backward, barbaric and savage country no matter what. One sided justice favoring allah's animals in Afghan. Wonder if their allah aka devil spoke directly to the pathetic idiotic taliban nut.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogNdQ-CSQww
How old are you sailcat? Your friends in Gitmo wish to see you.
Why, it's that old liar, coastguard! He has never told a whopper he didn't like and never saw an obvious truth he could recognize even if he tripped over it!
I condemn all males for the brutality shown by the male dominated world structure. All males should hang their heads in shame for the actions of these, your representatives of the male gender.
Hope you're satisfied now, you male bigots.
PS we must all work to restrict the supply of weapons to all males.
Horrific, unbelievably horrific.
What a backwards land, locked in darkness.
If this woman was accused of adultery and thus executed, what happened to the males that she allegedly cavorted with? No person, female or male should be so unnecessarily and brutally murdered. It is amazing how women are blamed for all of the moral ills that exists in these countries which are trapped in medieval 11th century "justice."
What scripture in the bible says "go out and kill people?"
Isnt it funny how all the evil in the universe is the fault of the President of the USA, according to some learned scholars. (end sarcasm)
Yes...and ironically the men in these countries sport Western Levi jeans and Tommy Hilfiger shirts...
Are you even dimly aware of what transpired in Vietnam in the years since our departure. Did communism sweep across Southeast Asia, one "domino" at a time?
Or is Vietnam now a fairly prosperous part of the Pacific Rim?
As to Afghanistan, we are not bound to stay there for all eternity. Rather than blame Obama for his efforts since 2009, why not take not of Bush, and how he neglected this war for six years, while the United States forces slogged through the quagmire which was Iraq.
We cannot control how people there live and govern themselves. We can only require that they do not openly harbor those who plot evil against us.
The fate of this woman, at the hands of her husband, is tragic. But such tragedies are enacted throughout the world, and they are beyond our power to control.
rmjackson1, you need to provide the link to the evidence that President Obama personally exposed the doctor (arrested three weeks after the raid), and Faux News will not do. Give an objective link.
In the Muslim bible it says death for adultery by ak47.
Exposé them as frauds.
Muslims need to stand up we should be looking for real Muslims and giving them a platform to the world.
What should Osama's death been for having pornos?
We are missing the Muslim American element.
"Why did we not just level that country?"
Because its impossible to "level a country" No matter how bad ass you think we are. duh
"If this woman was accused of adultery and thus executed, what happened to the males that she allegedly cavorted with?"
Nothing. It seems like it would be real easy to force a women to have sex with you. All you'd have to do is threaten to claim she was an adulteress if she doesn't. Then when you get tired of her make the claim anyways and have her killed. Heck you can even rape them and if caught she would be killed for cheating. Something is wrong with those people.
Rapist:"Her ankle was showing and I could control myself please stone that devil women to death before she does it again.
Judge: Stoning at noon but not before prayer!
"dman-353357
Are you even dimly aware of what transpired in Vietnam in the years since our departure. Did communism sweep across Southeast Asia, one "domino" at a time?
Or is Vietnam now a fairly prosperous part of the Pacific Rim?
As to Afghanistan, we are not bound to stay there for all eternity. Rather than blame Obama for his efforts since 2009, why not take not of Bush, and how he neglected this war for six years, while the United States forces slogged through the quagmire which was Iraq.
We cannot control how people there live and govern themselves. We can only require that they do not openly harbor those who plot evil against us.
The fate of this woman, at the hands of her husband, is tragic. But such tragedies are enacted throughout the world, and they are beyond our power to control."
For the LOVE OF GOD! please stop making sense and being logical! You're making the Obama haters look stupid
I like to see how some idiot turns ever story into its an Obama fault thread. Some of them are very imaginative !
hobbes
Afridi's role in the CIA operation, first reported by The New York Times in July 2011, was publicly confirmed by U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta in January when he told CBS News' "60 Minutes" he was "very concerned" for Afridi's well-being in Pakistan.
I'm pretty sure continued occupation of Afghanistan really isn't going to change anything. If they really want to be governed by fairytale bull@!$%#, let's just bring our people home and leave them to it.
I guess it would be bad form to put a price on the head of these @!$%#s. Including the one that committed adultery with her and seems to have gotten off scott free. I wonder if he was in the crowd cheering?
People should read up on the Taliban a bit more before they start accusing all Afghans or Muslims of being the same. They are not.
Pashtun social structure and rule of law is founded in tribal custom but as they become urbanized those restrictions are falling away. They make up about 15% of Pakistan and 42% of Afghanistan and have historically been militant. But they also have commendable traditions such as "Melmastia, hospitality and asylum to all guests seeking help".
As far as the Taliban, they were the result of the war with U.S.S.R. and lost support after the Soviets left. But they continued to rule through militant violence and oppression. Their methods are highly criticized by Muslims leaders and not just by non-Muslims. They are the extreme, so characterizing them as the norm is misleading and simplistic.
I think that we just gave the Affies some sort of 'Most favored military' designation so we can give them a bunch more money and training. I alway want cold blooded woman killers to be my friends, don't you?
After the Islamic cult came to that region, this has been going on!
Where does Obama come in the picture?
Irony of this case is that she had adulterous relationship with two Taliban commanders. They got away. But the woman was punished!
When most don't care for religion much these days, followers of Islamic cult, especially Sunni Saudi inspired Islamic radicals and militants (Taliban, al-Qaida, Salaffi, Wahhabi, MB and other label ones), are fast marching backwards to their seventh century desert tribal days of rapings, lootings, killings and genocides of non-Muslims and killing each other.
We see Muslims inventing problems all over the world.
It is equally bad or worse in most of the Sunni Muslim Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and other nations.
Well, well, they are allies and some are major non NATO allies!
We're condeming her execution, while we're executing (droning) innocent civilian Afghan men, women and children.
Oh, what a high horse we ride.
It's their law and we can't impose ours.
@Debi: The difference is we do not intend for innocent Afghan men, women and children to die as a result of the drone attack, nor do we cheer when told it happened...and that is a far cry from letting a husband repeatedly shoot his adulterous (if in fact that was the case) wife in the back and then rejoicing over it.
Drone attacks are a Presidential decision, based on factual intelligence, which is...yes...subject to error. If the Taliban have no problems killing their own wives and children (see the second article) for the sake of their honor....they would have no problems using them as a shield so to hopefully avert a drone attack. Perhaps they even consider that the...honorable....thing to do!
So the Afghan government condemns the act but I don't see them arresting the husband for murder. It's all lip service and no action. Where are the men she was supposed to have had sex with they seem to be missing. When the government takes action and puts the husband on trial for murder and punishes him then I'll believe that they didn't support the action.
Kenn the Dem: Whether we do it purposely or not, we still are aware it is happening and continue the killing.
We are murderers and whether we cheer about it or not, makes no difference on the lives we are taking. Ask a mother whose child has been killed if it matters.
And btw, I don't care who gives the order. They put their pants on one leg at a time, just like everybody else.
We are no better.
WRONG! If Allah were to come down from heaven and speak to you he would say above all respect life. He would also say judge not lest yea be judged. He would also say take the log out of your own eye before taking the splinter out of mine. Turn the other cheek, etc.
I don't care which religion you speak. It is just a language to talk about the same thing. LOVE and LIFE!
The so called christian love of the bible-thumpers is just as cruel as the loving god of the Muslims. You all call out love while condemning gays to death in the loving bible. Your god of love calls for picketing soldiers funerals and preaching who gets into your heaven and who does not.
This loving god is responsible for millions of deaths in his name. But your god said to kill...and he told you how to bring man under control. He told you to burn heretics and kill the non-conformers. When he was not to busy he told you not to dance, not to cuss, not to lie, cheat or steal. Talents I may add that are well practiced by your preachers.
They did kill a woman, but that will never stop as their god told them to. Your christian god tells you to kill gays, and you come as close as you can to doing it. All of you religious hypocrites are in the same mental sewers.
Praise your god while I throw up.
still working-4265157 - One must remember that, according to its adherents, "Islam is the religion of peace and love," with the goal of world domination. Country by country, the Muslims are making inroads into the society and fabric of many different societies. Their stated goal is: Infidels can convert to Islam or be put to death.
The people of Afghanistan are living in conditions similar to the 15th century. The Soviet Union spent several years, the lives of thousands of soldiers, and billions of rubles in failure, to try to convert the Afghan populace.
The United States and some allies have been trying to do the same thing, and so far with the same result. The U.S. has no business being there, trying to drag a 15th century feudal society into the 21st century. It ain't gonna work. We need to leave now, as soon as practicable.
By letting the Taliban come back into power, BHO is enabling the killing of women.
Dude, they were killing women there for all kinds of farked up reasons for a long time before Obama became President.
But hey, let's just conveniently forget that and act like this is a new thing.
And while you're waving pom poms about what we can actually accomplish over there, I recommend you sign up for your six tours there and then tell me if we can change that country. From all my buddies that went over there and came home intact, they say it's a lost cause.
Muslims!!! Their way of life to change the world through brutality. It is their Jihad. Turn to Christ and find peace.
And this is the country that we want to give militaru weapons to?????
@Debi: You assume that every time a drone explodes innocent people die as a result...I don't buy it...while it may occur on occasion I think most of it is propaganda aimed at American citizens who are quick to believe the worst about their country, and are seemingly very forgiving of the atrocities performed by those we face in combat.
How about a few words on what should be done to the husband who murdered his wife in cold blood!
Yep, because according to Obammy, Billary, Biden and all of their other dimwitted cohorts these draconian cretins are our "allies" now. Isn't that sweet?
Pfffffffffft.
Debi, we are fighting a war in Afghanistan, albeit, an undeclared one. In war, even with the best intentions, civilians do die.
If you believe that the limited fatalities resulting from drone strikes represent murders, then what is your position regarding massive civilian casualties in Germany, Italy and Japan during WWII. I'm not speaking just speaking about the nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, nor just including the conventional bombing of Dresden a mere 2 months before Germany's surrender. These were strikes which intentionally targeted largely civilian targets. But the strategic bombing conducted by the allies in the years preceding, which targeted war related objectives, such as ball bearing plants, also unavoidably killed civilians.
What about the collateral deaths of civilians during the shelling of towns, or the uncounted stray bullets, which missed the uniformed soldiers, but found a farmer in his home?
In your eyes, are all these acts morally equivalent to a man gunning down his helpless wife with an assault weapon, while his neighbors cheer him on as if it were a soccer match?
If so, I'd say your perspective is badly skewed.
War is not a sanitary activity, conducted with surgical nicety, so that only the uniformed combatants are harmed. War, as General Sherman said, is hell.
Ahhh, yes!! Don't be fooled by competing brands, choose Jesus Delusional Beliefs!
Am I to believe that a benevolent, omnipotent ruler of the universe could not devise a better world than one in which starvation, murder, rape and an endless variety of other brutalities are commonplace?
Be serious.
If this world is the work of a omnipotent god, then he [she or it] is not somebody overly concerned about humanity, or the nature of this supreme being is like that of an eight-year-old boy, frying bugs with a magnifying glass. There is no logical alternative.
So, yes indeed, turn to Christ and find peace, or take a couple of Valium before facing each day. It is all one.
Is chemical and biological warfare out of the question to kill them all off?
As you examine possible means towards achieving a final solution to the Muslim problem, can you explain how you are different from Hitler and the Nazis, or for that matter, the Muslim extremists, who view our secular society in the same manner in which you view the Muslims?
Have fun practicing your goose-steps. Be sure to keep your legs straight on each forward kick step.
So where are the rapists and why weren’t they killed? It takes two to commit adultery/rape!
Islamic Sharia Law in Brief
This is a very good article written by a FORMER muslim.
http://www.islam-watch.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=625:islamic-sharia-law-in-brief&catid=79:mirza&Itemid=58
35. To prove rape, a woman must have 4 male witnesses. Women’s testimony is not accepted - Pakistan’s Hudood ordnance 7 of 1979 amended by 8B of 1980. Thousands of raped women and girls in many countries have been charged with Zena (physical relations outside marriage) and punished by Sharia courts for want of witnesses.
She never had a chance either way!
We are not fighting a war in Afg. We are furthering economic interests, aka. TAPI for Israel and the US. Read people. Do not accept anything on blind faith. Our taxes and young blood are being spilled for the economic benefit of the few.....
dman,
I merely wish to kill our enemies. When was hitler attacked? Some muslims were attacked by Russia, I aint them. If you attack me, you die, period. What about muslims killing muslims, that happens everyday. We took out germany, italy and japan, why cause they attacked and wanted to rule. The question should be, do you want to live under muslim rule?
Nice to know that rednecks are international.
That's an asinine comment you make, you holier than thou fool.
I'd trust a redneck before I would a Muslem.
Ah Afganistan; Hillary Clinton's new best friend and ally.
I'm would be proud to be a red neck. That's because their necks get red from working in the sun all day, not sitting in front of the TV watching propaganda.
Where is NOW now? Nowhere, bunch of hypocrite a$$holes
Yankee carpet bagger. Always taking what is not yours and living off the hard work of others.
No, their necks are red because all the blood that's supposed to go to their brain isn't making it all the way up. It's pooling in their necks instead.
Fine, Z. Grow your own food and slaughter your own animals. We'll keep what's ours and you can keep what's yours.
Nah, you need the money that I wipe my butt with to pay your bills.
What bills? I'm a redneck!
We execute teens,mentally ill,elders....and the U.S. condems what is happening in there own land..wtf...hyprocrites
Are country is a joke know wonder why were going to hell in a hand basket.............
good luck world..
And, if our educational system doesn't make some serious and effective changes pretty soon; we'll have as many illiterates as we have idiots.
We execute murderers, not women who are likely victims of rape.
Obamamunk I am bitterly opposed to capital punishment in America...but it is STILL not meted out for adultery. There IS a difference.
obamapunk is the reason why my kids went to private school. nice grammar and spelling genius.
Uncle Henry - He probably has no idea what you are talking about.
As for executing the mentally ill, Inmates who are insane, that is, so out of touch with reality that they do not know right from wrong and cannot understand their punishment or the purpose of it, are exempt from execution (Ford v. Wainwright). However, if an inmate's mental competency has been restored, he or she can then be executed. Inmates who are intellectually disabled (mentally retarded) also cannot be executed. Inmates who are mentally ill, but not insane, have no such exemption.
And executing elders and teens? They are only elders because we have an appeals system in place. The average person spends well over 10 years on death row and that is after their initial sentence. People do tend to age when in prison. Time doesn't stop. I would prefer that we not execute teens, but then again I would prefer that they not put themselves in a position to be so severely punished.
Uncle Henry,
I went to public school and received an excellent education; I'll be going to graduate school at a public university next fall. Please don't imply that your children are superior because their parents had enough money to let them attend school at whatever institution they pleased.
I won't even mention that you used no capitalization in your statement and failed to place a comma before "genius."
Ever notice it's only women who are accused and punished for adultery, but never their male consorts?
Why are we even discussing grammer, punctuation, or the state of the educational system (which admittedly could use improvement, albeit that's another topic entirely) here? It really doesn't serve any purpose, except as an arguably "cheap means" to dismiss another person's post without addressing the ideas in the specific. I dunno, grammer police haven't tended to offer the most compelling arguments from my own personal experience. Sure enough, some people are hard to understand, but when it comes to debting a subject, it is the idea, rather then the spelling/grammer which is often the subject at hand....
As to the death penalty, that's a tough one. In my younger years I was opposed, of late, not so much. And there's a reason behind this, which relates to the nature of some killers in the specific. I'm talking about individuals such as Zarqawi (the terrorist in Iraq that sawed people's heads off, like in the video where Al Quida/Iraq executed Nick Burg, and yes I did see the video first hand). People like Jeffery Dahmer, the Son of Sam killer, and others have given me a lot to think about, which in my younger days... But it wasn't just reading about it, it was witnessing (such as with the videos of Zarqawi's executions) first hand, which had caused me to do a bit of soul searching over time.
I'm also not convinced that life in prison in all situations is necessarily more merciful then an execution, though yes with he latter, in the case of a mistaken conviction it would not be possible to reverse it. But then I've had to consider that against some other matters, and I'm sorry, but my faith in all people's isn't necessarily what it once was, largely because of not only the actions of some, but the attitudes, emotions, and ways in which they do it. It would be hard to convey exactly what was on some of those videoed executions without one having also seen it first hand. But the way in which the Libyan government (under Gadhafi) mowed people over with government vehicles (not just that they did it, but the way in which they did it and it was all captured on film) would give some idea....
This said though, and with a recent debate in Texas jails about whether to include air conditioning or not, with some having died, without water, in cells that reached 120 to 140 degrees; it does seem that lethal injection would be more humane, then sitting in a cage and dehydrating/dieing from heat stroke, over a long period of time. And yet I can also understand some of the feelings this way and that, wrt to the whole debate there. Lethal injection doesn't have the level of prolonged death, roasting, or what have you associated with it, however....
The possibility of ever getting out (parole or otherwise) is also the other consideration. I know this, I wouldn't want Sam Sandusky to come within a mile of any kid in my own family, knowing as I do, and speaking as one who lives on the NJ/PA state border ;)
Obamamunk: You're clearly NOT from the US. Also when was the last time you read that a woman was executed for adultery in the US.
If the US, Britain, European nations are so bad, why are the Pakis, Bangladesh, Somalians and other Muslims from basket case nations flooding US and other nations?
Why not they make a beginning by going back to their great lands instead of bothering us with their lectures, criminal actions and free loading our welfare?
At least they can be honest once in a way for change!
In this country we follow man-made laws and punish those found guilty. In the muslim countries the religion devises laws according to what their god tells them is good for them...then the religion deals out the punishment...usually death. Men have the upper hand just as their god ordered and women are disposable.
There is no separation of church and state...they all do as their priests say...god said so.
You cannot deal logically with any fanatic as they cannot see past the indoctrination of their religion.
She might've been raped and she was killed for that? Even if she was guilty of adultery that should've been a private matter between her and her husband and if hubby couldn't deal with it then they need to become aware of the word "Divorce." We need to get out of that part of the world. How do you fight that type of mentality Poor lady.
We did the women and children of Afghanistan very little lasting good, it seems to me. Course, our stated mission there was to oust the taliban. (Little did we realise how easy it was going to be to oust them, and how hard it was going to be to make it stick!) This lady committed adultry, in a country where she knew the penalty for doing it was death! (Do you think she thought she was in Kansas?! She was as much a part of that culture as the man who executed her!) Maybe she had higher hopes for our efforts, than the average American has, at this point.
We are proud of our ignorance of much of the world. We neither know, nor care, much about learning about other places in the world. We are "God's People", and it is our burden to tell other peoples how to live their lives. If they don't learn, that's their problem (until somebody makes it our problem, at which time we discover our profound ignorance of most other places, and peoples)! So, after we abandoned our allies in Viet Nam, and are abandoning them in Iraq, we will soon be abandoning those in Afghanistan. Maybe we need to think about whether there might not be better ways to spread "democracy", or whatever we've been doing, around the world, than the ways we've been using, to try out next time!
I agree with JoeCal,
"whether by rape or consensual sex is unclear, Reuters reported. Taliban officials then convened a quick trial and ordered her execution to settle the dispute between the two commanders"
WTF is wrong with these people?! Absolute savages. No wonder foreigners want to come here. Our laws are extremely the opposite, eventhough I don't agree with most of our laws.
A woman get's raped over here and the perp does time. I feel so sorry for the women in these other countries where they "have" to walk behind there man, can't show there faces or any other part of their bodies in public. CAn't watch TV. Not allowed to drive.
Talk about Male chauvinists--------They take the CAKE! Jerk Offs.
Many American women with promiscuous habits are killed every year in America. Some are forced into this lifestyle, some choose it on their own. Why do you call the Taliban animals when the same things are happening right here? Prostitution, drugs, gambling, graft, crooked cops, crooked politicians, you can add to the list for hours talking about America. Sorry I can't post a video of the murder of Tamara Greene to prove my point, but calling those people animals compared to us at least proves you don't pay close attention to rap music lyrics.
obamamonkey
WE don't execute women for adultery, in fact typically when a woman files for divorce the man ends up paying alimony and no one monitors how that money is spent.
In most western counties, the man is typically portrayed as the "villain". Ever noticed when the news covers a crime, often times if there is no suspect, they refer to the suspect as a man.
"Are country is a joke know wonder why were going to hell in a hand basket............."
You're an idiot.
That's because he is an Obama munk. Studies under the Grand Master that is Obummer
the correct senence is ,Our country is a joke; no wonder why we're going to hell in a hand basket.
George NY/Special Ed. Worker,
DeadlyFoez was mocking the commenter above him, Obamamunk (#4).
onermailliw you're an idiot also. Its spelled Obama.
Before Obama, it was Bush, Jr who was busy bringing human rights, doing reconstruction and educating Afghans on democratic values since 2001.
In Pakistan, most Presidents were busy doing them since 47.
Still things are only going from bad to worse in those nations!
speak for yourself, turd brain
These "people" will never change. They will continue to kill and brutalize women whenever and however they see fit. Their tribal customs run to deep for any change to happen. The only thing that would change anything in that useless country is to exterminate every last one of them. Talking and education hasn't work. Our interventions haven't worked. Nothing works with these tyrants.
Which indicates to me that it is time to stop condemning and start witholding. As in: If you don't get your sh!t together and act like civilized human beings, then no money, troops, supplies--nothing. No ally. No trade. You don't exist in our world. Have a nice day. That might just get someone's attention, don't you think?
Jessie it is not true that they will never change. Many of them do change every year. However in a Muslim society the ones who leave Islam are subject to persecution, being marginalized and even killed. In Iran in recent years hundreds of persons have been killed over charges based on Sharia law.
In this case of the adulterous Afghan woman, it is stated that there were two Taliban commanders having relations with this woman. If that is true then she was killed to cover up for them, not really because she commit adultery. Obviously, the men who committed adultery with her should be executed by the same law since they had relations with another man's wife. This type of inconsistency is why Muslims know that they are wrong and deserve to die under God's law. Only Christianity provides a way to reform sinners. Islam can only execute them, or send them out into jihad hoping that dying in jihad can grant them eternal life.
Wouldn't it be neat if the entire Afghan army was made up of ONLY women, so that women could defend them selves in a country that hates women.Just think how many Muslim men have blood on their hands. Muslim men are the world's biggest sisses!!!
Jessie- It wasn't that long ago we had brutal treatments in our society, and we still view all inmates with distain, yet they too are human beings.
Don't be fooled by the corporate take over of our society and small businesses, this should not stop us from advancing on a social level. Prison should not be a "fun" place, but it should not be "hell" either. By allowing this to happen it only gives the elite powerful more power, by distracting us from social reform.
What if your brother or sister or friend went to prison, would say ? "They deserve getting raped and beat up"
We need to begin serious dialogue on what ails our society and not get distracted by what the elites want us to dwell on, such as a race to have the most sophisticated mobile phone device (I like to use a phone to converse), or the side show we call "professional sports", yet how professional do many athletes act in their personal lives ? It's more useless drama for us to be distracted by.
The environment is tied to human rights, because we all have the right to have cleaner products and we all have the right to understand why the earth is being trashed in the name of useless profit.
A sign of the times is someone like the Mormon (a religion started by a polygamist, of having multiple wives, another form of human rights abuse and manipulation) republican front runner, who lacks such character yet he is their front runner. He has money in foreign banks, owns a mansion which had to be built to accomidate his huge auto collection, slashed jobs at Bain Capitol to make huge profit, and even says things like: "The trees in Michigan are the right height" !! Yet poor working class Republican voters are so brainwashed by the republicans tricks, they blame President Obama for the current financial crisis, which happened during Bush's term in office.
Don't be fooled by the corporate dribble, and the elitist agenda, in their minds we are serfs.
This kind of crap makes me sick. Rapists and murderers get away with their crimes all the time. This woman, whether or not she actually did anything, did not do anything to warrant her death by these spineless idiots.
Nonetheless, war is not the solution. Obama/Romney/Bush and all the other war mongers will never liberate individuals like this woman. Peace will only be achieved through free markets and open trade not stifled by governments. We need to stop meddling in the affairs of other countries and allow liberty to spread through civil disobedience, organically.
Vote Libertarian then. The third party seems better than the other two. Still no hope that they will get into office and actually do anything. At least shake up the current system, though.
danielec...I agree that war is not the answer. It isn't even a good question. I don't want another one of our brave soldiers to die for the likes of the 150 cheering men that watched this atrocity happen. Rather than war, let's start with holding...funds, troops, supplies, anything. Just leave. Tell them that we might return when they decide to drad themselves into the 21st century. Until then, they no longer exist in our world. Our America will not collapse without Afghanistan and Pakistan in it. We will get by somehow.
danielc: Would you prefer that we become an isolationist country and just sit around and wait for another 9/11 attack on the US which is exactly what Bill Clinton did.
Oh they 'condemn' this act and meanwhile pump billions of taxpayer monies into this backwards wasteland of psychopaths. Get out and start paying attention to matters closer to home first.
We should just drop a M.O.A.B. anywhere this crap goes on and rid the world of entire villages and cities where crap like that goes on.
That sounds awful, but in the end, the world would become a better place once the dust settles.
Either the press is missing it or Muslim leaders silence is deafening and obvious.
Jeff, this is the key to this: Muslim leaders, "Good" muslims...the vast majority of muslims who are supposedly good, decent people just trying to get along....nobody says a thing. They don't see anything wrong with murdering a woman without any legal due process. Maybe it was adultery, maybe she was gang raped like a few western reporters have been.
And, of course...where is our media on this?
Jeff...I certainly agree. I wonder if the attitude that--If you open your mouth, you could be next--is what is causing this deafening silence? Fear is a powerful silencer...it is also the cause of cowardice.
Has Hillary apologized for this yet?
No ,..she will meet Karzi and give him another billion of our tax dollars not to cry publicly about this.
And massage his sac
GTR...No...That was last week. This week was condemnation week. It is on a rotating cycle and you are on the wrong week. First week, Pakistan, apology. Second week, Afghanistan, condemnation. Try to keep up with the schedule. I know it is hard...Sometimes I miss which week is which. I wonder when "No money" week or "We are leaving." week is going to take place???
Sorry Colorblind. I just can't seem to keep up with what week she is screwing up.
Folks you all get so excited routing for your home team but you are missing the point. No one was going to win or stabilize Afganistan. Its been this way for over a century now. The Russians got their heads handed to them and so will we...just as any occupying power will always get its head handed to them in the end. When is the last time this sort of idea worked? WWII? No, that was a very different type of conflict and was not based on occupations as much as it was bringing a passive group of westerners and Asians to their knees by bombing and blowing them to oblivion to stop governments that were out of control. Occupation/nation building/winning "hearts and minds"...it never works folks...any where. The only people who did it were the Romans. But that requires a different mentality...you move in, kill everything that resists, rape and burn the women, sell the kids and whom ever is left into slavery and then move your own people in. That's it...there is no middle ground. Since the Romans there has never been a successful occupation. Seriously, all my little foaming-at-the-mouth patriots and gung-ho fellow Americans...if a large occupying force moved into the US, with many other nations backing them up...would you EVER, EVER stop resisting them? You might not be prone to executing woman for adultery or the barbarity we see as a consequence of the joys of Islam and hardcore Christians but you would never ever stop fighting and neither would I. Vietnam...Afganistan...Palestine...France in WWII...its all the same. You move in and try to control people in a place they believe is theirs and you are lining up for years of misery and then crawling out battered and brusied with nothing to show for it. The irony of course is that the Taliban we now hate, along with a number or other middle-eastern countries, are one time "friends" of the US that we put in charge or helped to power so that we could maintain friendly relations with contries controlling oil, pipeline routes, or canals. This stuff in Afganistan was over before it started.
"....if a large occupying force moved into the US, with many other nations backing them up...would you EVER, EVER stop resisting them?..."
You bring up a good point Steven, I think we should take your lead and make some effort to determine how and when that force arrives, what it looks like and, what are the tactics they might use?
We might also want to think about how that force projects their respect for human life that.
I will offer one recent example and perhaps others will want to start thinking for themselves after they review it.
I do not agree with the instigating behavior of this Christian group but, they peaceably demonstrated according to their fourth amendment rights and remained peaceful during the entire ordeal. At the end of this incident, those demonstrating their rights were ordered to leave or be "cited" (aka arrested.) They elected to leave and were immediately followed by several police cars and over a dozen uniformed officers whom, a few blocks away, just out of sight of the crowd made a 'traffic stop' for an issue that could have been handled in three or four minutes and detained the driver and all occupants for over one half hour. Our police, Wayne County deputies and I believe Dearborn police did virtually nothing to halt the attacks by a large crowd of what seem to be members of the religion of peace. I wouldn't want to stereotype based on their attire, complexion or behavior, so I'll leave that up to your interpretation.
PEACE
Link is rejected so, please look for the youtube video regarding Arab International Festival Dearborn, MI June 18, 2012
And these are the people we are defending in the name of peace.
These are the same people who get upset if we accidentally burn the 'Koran"?
This is the country that we are giving our lives for?
Have we gone over the edge.
We need to go home and let them kill each other all week long..........
Our spending would be better used back home.
The Muslim leaders silently support this barbaric behavior as they are as barbaric as those that kill women and children. You will not hear any condemnation from leaders of Islam not overseas or right here in the US. They are what they are!
I actually agree with this, but it happens routinely in Christianity, too. Silence doesn't necessarily equal consent/assent, but all too often it seems that way. I'd love to see the clerics and imams of Muslim countries stand up and denounce this brutality. Christianity is no better, though -- the Bible is full of admonishments to stone people and slay people. The difference is in the people. If America still strictly stood by the Bible, we'd be doing this crap, too. Frankly, the only thing that separates Christianity from Islam is about 400 years of time.
Are there any two religions that have been used more to commit atrocities throughout history than these two?
Why the knee jerk reaction when things like this occur to immediately compare it to Christianity? It make many of us sound like apologists for Islam. Yes bad things happen in all religions and cults, but not to the level and consistency that is Islam. The majority of atrocities with Christianity happened a long time ago, but with Islam it is daily and in the here and now.
All I can say is be careful who you root for. If you get this then lend me your ear ! They will not listen to Hilary but she might be on their menu. Obamacare then Taliban rule is not the direction we want to head in. Libs don't get it do YOU !
All we can do is condemn,why not stop funding the karzi regime all together? We owe them not a damn thing,if they want to return to eating dog and screwing camels and goats why do we care?
How dare you belittle camels and goats! Taliban men hump each other according to all the war books I have read but they are against homosexuality? And they like little boys. They took one boy (eight years old), knocked his teeth completely out so they could do there thing. Then they took a piece of hot steel rod and burned his eyes out and cauterized his tear ducts so they would not have to watch him cry while they were satisfying themselves. When they were finished with him after three months, they left him wondering down a mountain side road until US marines found him and returned him to his village family. All the girls in the family had been beaten so bad by the taliban that they were completey black and yellow. Absolutely barbaric animals.
The United States went into Afghanastan for the same reasons it went into Iraqi and Vietnam: to gain Position!
Kapu...Probably. They are getting in position to "address" Iran. I sure don't want any more war, but, I hate getting lied to. If that is what they have planned, then stop lying to the American people about fake allies and tell us that this is a strategic move to have the geographic means to strike Iran as Israel wants so badly. I can handle that better than I can handle this cr@p of constant condemnation for barbaric acts against non combantants--with no punishment attached to that condemnation. I don't see any good coming out of a war with Iran....but let's not go into it as a bunch of sheep that are told how much help we will get from our "allies" Pakistan and Afghanistan. What a bunch of wimps our politicians turned out to be...
Why does this surprise anyone, it happens quite often. And it's not just the Alquaida and Taliban doing it, it's done by the rank and file muslims over there also. 16 cases documented, but how many women or men were executed without a camera being on them. This inhuman religion does executions all the time and with compliance by their governments and religious clerics, this is a result of Muslim law, and we even supported these groups against so called dictators. Ask yourself, is this same thing happening in the mosque down the street from you? I'd say there is a good probability that it is and only muslims know about it. We know they don't tell either. When do we draw the line in the sand and kick them out of our country?
Forest Gump is the real hero ! Freedom comes with a price ! What would this do to America if they win the war ! they out number us 3 to 1 and soon it will be ten to one. We would rather die sounds a bit childish but the truth is what it is. Freedom and Vegas baby the great Satan is knocking on your cheating door step. Adultry ! You know where has a place for all of us in the end why bring it here any sooner than we have to. ? Freedom is why Sooooo knock knock !
WTH????
There are some places that will never change...will never be civilized as the rest of the world. Northern Pakistan and Afghanistan appear to fit that bill. Short of dropping a thermonuclear warhead, there is really no way to keep them from killing each other. The British and Soviets have tried, and we are no different. We got Bin Ladin, and if we can contain this scourge as we did in the Cold War, it will burn itself out. Otherwise, we will bankrupt ourselves and our grandkids by playing the world's policeman, whilst the other nations wait in the wings. If the people there want change badly enough, then they will have to earn it like their bretheren in Egypt and Libya, and show the wolves in pigs clothing such as the Taliban, the door on the way out. Good luck doing that with marionettes like Karzai.
Vinegaroon...I agree with you to a point but let's remember that Muslims in that part of the world are poor, ignorant (in general they have little to no education, opportunity or worldly knowledge) and work with the more extreme and brutal of the three major religions which is of course fostered by the ruling class of Arabs/Middle Easterners because it keeps the masses marshalled. Yes, they are backwards and brutal but there was a time, before we went through a great deal of change in the western world, where we were fond of burning people for not believing what they were supposed to and tortured people en mass. Yes, they are behind us in many ways of development but if you draw this line with Muslims in the US and throw them out, where do we stop? Do we throw out the radical "christians" who think the soldier are dying because of gay people in America? Not all Muslims are strict and devout any more than every Jew or Christian/Catholic is. Just practice a little restraint before determining that a group of people need to be expelled or done away with.
Steven, the Westboro Baptist Church is a tiny, despised minority...while the extremist radical Muslims are a growing worldwide movement, especially in Afghanistan. Let's not compare the poisoned apples of the Taliban to the rotten oranges of the WBC.
Cassandra-854239 of course...I know they are a tiny group but my point is that we must be very careful in telling people what religion or beliefs they may have. Personally, I would love to be rid of radical islam and if I had my druthers, all religious influence in this country. People should keep their beliefs in their home, church and private gatherings. But I also realize that as a civilized person who wants my beliefs respected I must choke back the desire to see others, whether a major religion or a splinter sect, told what they can or can't believe...and in this case I was addressing the easy-going muslims in this country who are as powerless as the rest of us to make radicals in other countries behave like human beings.
If the US DID condemn that atrocity...I think that some of the credit goes to MSNBC and us Inter-nuts, who joined together in expressing our outrage and demanding our government's action. Of course, many of us called for our complete and instant exit from the dreadful place...and we haven't gotten that yet...but at least we helped to make our government do SOMETHING.
Please read "The Black Banners" by Ali Soufan.
This is the very reason our forefathers so opposed any notion of a faith based government.
Not long ago I got into a heated argument with a radical self proclaimed Southern-Baptist who said he supported the stoning deaths of women who commit adultery, and thinks the same should happen to women who have abortions...........Just goes to show the Taliban attitude that women are inferior is not exclusive to Islam
Ellis, I doubt very much that that idiot had any following at all, let alone his own Taliban.
They grow poppies they don't want their own people like us otherwise their whole game would fall prey to the real axis of evil. They need us as adultrists and heroin users that way they can support their way of life they can control us on the streets and into your homes where heroin use is rooted. Terrorists or farmers ! To The End ---> In the end you know who will judge us all.
aj...Yes, I do know who will judge us all. The worst critic of all--history.
Our bark is louder than I bite, if they want our money and our troops to help them, they need to join the rest of the
world. Their lack of respect for a live is unforgivable.
Yes, it is unforgivable...and should be punished by withholding funding until the perps are arrested and tried...Instead we just get another "condemnation." What a crock.
"Allah warns us not to get close to adultery because it's the wrong way. It is the order of Allah that she be executed."
Hey, ghastly barbarous savages, there is no such thing as Allah.
Talk about falling on deaf ears...
Yes there is an Allah and she does not like adultry.
Islam is a cult that attracts the most vile and evil savages that are no more evolved than apes.
Islam needs to be banned around the globe and the cult memebers need to be put in jail.
It is NOT and never has been a peaceful religion. It is a dangerous cult for perverts.
Laure is you read the Old testament in the Bible also the jews kill with stones to the adulter woman but like the muslims NOT THE LOVER MEN ? why not both ? this is not fair, Jesuchrist change that position for ever, not any women sin with a complice men ! both are sinners, the religios jews hate him for said the trut !
Whaat?
baco78 - since it is obvious to me that English is not your native tongue, Let me remind you that yes, in the old testament, there is one story of stoning, however, this was 4000 years ago and the jews have done a lot of evolving since then. The idiots who still practice this method of killing have not evolved much past the great apes.
Islam should have died with Mohammed, the sick pervert who invented Islam so he could rape and plunder in the name of God.
Freedom is not for everybody in fact the spread of democracy might be a bad thing ! This is why we boot the UN close our borders and remain a neutral country till after WW3. Same logic we used as before WW2 soooo now we see there is no change since then sooon once the economies get shacky and people start to starve from global warming remember what freedom means.