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Mohamed Abd El Ghany / Reuters
Supporters of Egypt's Mohamed Morsi cheer with a sign that reads "All of us with your right decision President Morsi" in Tahrir Square in Cairo on Monday.
Updated at 1055 a.m. ET: Egypt's highest court insisted Monday that its ruling that led to the dissolution of the Islamist-dominated parliament was final and binding, setting up a showdown with the country's newly elected president.
The court, which ruled on June 14 that the Islamist-led parliament had been elected based on unconstitutional rules, also said it would review appeals challenging the constitutionality of President Mohammed Morsi's decree.
"We will hear these cases tomorrow (Tuesday)," the court's head, Maher el-Beheiry, told Reuters.
The announcement on state TV came a day after Morsi recalled the legislators, defying the powerful military's decision to dismiss parliament after the Supreme Constitutional Court ruled that a third of its members had been elected illegally.
However, both sides appeared together Monday at a military graduation ceremony. Morsi sat between the head of the armed forces Field Marshal Hussein Tantawi and Chief-of-Staff Sami Anan. The three sat grim faced for most of the ceremony, but Tantawi and Morsi exchanged a few words while seated on the reviewing stand.
As Morsi takes symbolic oath, many fear the 'Islamization of Egyptian society
The court's judges made the decision in an emergency meeting even as the speaker of the dissolved legislature, Saad el-Katatni, called for parliament's lower chamber, the People's Assembly, to convene on Tuesday. The court's ruling did not cover parliament's upper chamber, known as the Shura Council, which is largely toothless.
Both Morsi and el-Katatni are longtime members of the Muslim Brotherhood, which has long been at odds with the military and with other Islamists.
Mohammed Morsi officially became the president of Egypt on Saturday, as a new era of government takes shape. NBC's Kate Snow reports.
The military had been running Egypt since Hosni Mubarak was ousted last year. But, shortly before the handover to the elected president, the army put some curbs on the presidency and gave itself legislative powers.
After a little more than a week in office, Morsi's move highlights the power struggle likely to define his term, pitting long repressed Islamists against generals used to calling the shots and an establishment full of Mubarak-era officials.
Fresh legal wrangle
Morsi's move also threatens a fresh legal wrangle over whether Morsi can overrule a decision by the Supreme Constitutional Court to dissolve parliament, creating more uncertainty at a time when the economy is creaking after 17 months of political turmoil.
"President Mohamed Morsi ordered the reconvening of the elected parliament to hold sessions," according to a presidential statement read out by Morsi's aide Yasser Ali.
As Morsi takes symbolic oath, many fear the 'Islamization of Egyptian society'
This was a significant move on the part of Morsi and the Brotherhood, according to Dr. Omar Ashour, a scholar at the Brookings Doha Center and director of the Middle East Politics Graduate Studies Program at the University of Exeter.
"This may end being a game of 'chicken' (to see) who withdraws his decision first," he said in a comment emailed to msnbc.com.
Analysts said they had not expected an easy relationship between the army and the Islamist president, but most believed Morsi would tread cautiously to avoid any swift escalation. The Brotherhood has repeatedly said it does not want confrontation.
"This is an early conflict. Everyone was expecting this to happen but not now, unless this decision was taken in agreement with the army council, but I doubt this," political analyst Mohamed Khalil said.
Journalists Mona Eltahawy and Ethar El-Katatney provide updates on the developments in Egypt where newly elected president Mohammed Morsi has assumed power over the country.
Morsi's decree was announced shortly after he received his first official U.S. visitor in the presidential palace, Deputy Secretary of State William Burns, whose country gives $1.3 billion of aid to Egypt's military every year.
Burns praised Egypt's progress but said there was more to be done. "It will be critical to see a democratically elected parliament in place and an inclusive process to draft a new constitution that upholds universal rights," Burns said after meeting Morsi and before the decree was issued.
Early vote
After a call for a show of support by the Brotherhood's Freedom and Justice Party, with the biggest bloc in parliament, a few hundred people gathered in Cairo's Tahrir Square. "We love you Morsi," they chanted, along with "Down with military rule."
Morsi has resigned from both the Brotherhood and its party.
In his decree, Morsi called for an early parliamentary election for a new assembly within 60 days of the nation approving a new constitution, which has still to be drafted.
Post-revolution Egyptians to US: Stay out
That suggested a possible attempt at compromise by indicating the assembly, criticized by some for a poor initial performance and dissolved by court order just months after it was elected, would not serve a full four-year term.
"The military wanted to dissolve parliament and the Brotherhood doesn't. There has to be somewhere they can meet in the middle or there will be an indefinite stand-off," said Shadi Hamid of the Brookings Doha Center.
"This could be a compromise arrangement for the short term, so the military gets part of what it wanted - a new parliament in coming months - and Islamists can avoid a situation where the military dominates a legislative authority," he said.
The Supreme Constitutional Court called an emergency session on Monday to review the Morsi's move, the court's deputy Maher Sami told the state news agency MENA, signaling there could be a prolonged legal wrangle.
Reuters and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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This will end well, another military dictatorship or Islamic Militant Government...
but it does make me feel a little better about the choice facing America (but just barely)
We should put a stop payment on that check. It sure seams to me that they took the check with one hand and slapped us in the face with the other two seconds later.
The devilish Muslim Brotherhood isn´t doing a very good job of hiding it´s tail. It shows clearly beneath their sheep disguise.Sheep baba -haha.These terrorists finatics want to bring in a Sharia dictatorship.Egypt is more than one party.Show your stuff Egytian military.You must be the guardians of the country.! No party can declare the suspension of human rights and democracy in the name of a political vote .For the good of a pluralistic.secular Egypt..don´t let these beasts take over.! A disaster for the country,the region and the world!
bart martin,
"The devilish Muslim Brotherhood isn´t doing a very good job of hiding it´s tail."
Yes, and this confrontation between the Muslim Brotherhood and the Egyptian military reminds me of a similar confrontation that took place between the Pope and Joseph Stalin of Russia when Stalin replied, "Yes, but how many divisions does the Pope have?"
So now the new President & Parliament will declare the Court and Military Leadership invalid.
I'll make the popcorn! BYOB!
If President Morsi plans to play "chicken" with the military, he had better learn to "cluck" because he'll get plucked very quickly if it comes down to clash of wills.
please president Obama stop supporting evil Muslim brotherhood, you are killing Christians in the middle east
http://frontpagemag.com/2012/magdi/the-danger-in-dealing-with-islamists/
why msnbc does not show millions of people protesting against the jailed call him self president becuase he is putting himself against the most respected court in egypt that no one could rule against it, stop giving people false news, muslim brother hood are terror groups
Like obama gives a @!$%#??
Of course he does. He was raised for a large part of his childhood in the religion of Islam.
Barack Hussein Obama (or Barry Soetoro as he was formerly known) has kneeled on hundreds of prayer rugs facing east to Mecca praying to Allah.
P.S. - He lied when under oath, he swore that he was never known by any other alias.
Fundamentalist Morsi is backed by the Sunni extremist MB, Salaffi and other groups. They will play different games to fool their opponents and then gradually take over.
In the beginning the march of the Sunni Islamic religious Nazis will be slow. But the slide will be quite fast later!
News apparently travels very slow- snailmail-when it comes to real important news known to the rest of the world. This was already known to others Sunday 10 am EDT- Pres.Morsy indeed has ordered (Executive Order like Obama)the reconvening of dissolved Egyptian Parliament (over 70% hard line Islamists- the ones that passed the laws of cadaver coitus noninterruptus and other deviant laws from ther 7th century).Egypt stockmarket plummeting- yet Obama is advancing loans to MB Egypt- invited Morsy by personal letter to US (why not honor the MB whom he so adroitly lauded,backed,ran interference for) In September Morsy wil;l be honored by Obama. Perthaps Obama also gave them tips for organizing in towns-town councils-and calling in the crowds to Tahrir to demonstrate now for Morsy's reconvened Parliament- to uphold Morsy's re-decontruction of Egypt with customs from the 7th century- Obvama didn't even speak for minorities (Copts et al) nor Egyptian women before giving US $$$ to Egypt w/o any collateral whatsoever.
I believe Morsi is shrewd: he knows what a military coup on his presidential powers could politically do and he isn't about to be a figurehead for anyone. At least he has a pair in that respect.
The West seems dismayed because of his connections with the Muslim Brotherhood, but if he will elect a female VP, as he states, and is currently powering through the military politics and claiming to be for all people, then why doesn't someone give this man a chance (besides the point that he was elected)? He's seen a lot of oppression, both politically and otherwise; I would HOPE that this has only strengthened his seeming resolve that his country should be all Egyptians FOR the Egyptians. IF he has learned tolerance, he may be the only man strong enough to break the military strangle hold in the country's current politics. It is highly unlikely that the military will be caught out a second time, however: Morsi could find his future in peril due to this bold move.
Kharat al-Katatny is slated to be the Prime Minister- ring a bell?
He'll also undoubtedly have the full backing and blessing of the Obama Administration in whatever "bold" moves he makes. We're helping to throw Egypt into the trash bin in the almighty name of democracy.
Let the Egyptian Islamist civil war begin. Two regional conflicts raging at the same time. The Suez Canal will surely be a target. Watch oil prices skyrocket after the first shot is fired.
Fast march backwards in Egypt to a state worse than in Iran after Shah was over thrown by Islamists.
Sunni MB and their backers like Sunni Salaffi are real seventh century desert mindset bigoted Islamic religious Nazis!
Morsi has little to no choice, but forcing a showdown with the military is not a good choice no matter how you slice it.
1) The reason that Obama is continuing minimal aid and loans to Egypt is that according to the Camp David Accords, honored by every President since Carter, require that if aid to Egypt is cut, aid to Israel must also be cut. There is no exception for "if you democratically elect a government that we don't like." The Obama administration is well aware of the complexity of the situation.
2) The reason that the military will not allow an unfettered Muslim Brotherhood President in Egypt is simple. The Egyptian military has believed since the last war with Israel that it can win any future direct conflict. The problem is that their "discovery" is that it must be won through a war of attrition. No military desires a war of attrition because the losses are always horrendous. The Egyptian military believes that a strict Islamic government, even if not militant, would put them on a collision course with Egypt. If there is to be a future war with Israel, the Egyptian military wants it to be on their terms, not that of the Muslim Brotherhood.
3) Morsi's took over a government with no constitution, no elected or sitting parliament, and an entrenched secular bureaucracy and an entrenched secular military. Essentially unless he steps up to the plate, he has no government, no authority, and no future except as a figurehead.
4) There is no love lost between the military and the Muslim Brotherhood. The Egyptian military has repressed the MB since the days of Nasser. They blame Sadat's death on the MB. They have imprisoned, tortured, and "disappeared" thousands of MB members and especially leaders. Morsi himself was imprisoned for years by the military.
5) The Egyptian military sees itself as a "guarantor" of secular "Kemalist" government along the lines set out by Ataturk. They have watched uncomfortably as Turkey has struggled with a secular military and a moderate-to-conservative Islamic fundamentalist President. This struggle has been largely under everyone's radar, but there is a battle going on in Turkey between ultra-nationalist elements in the military and police and Islamic fundamentalists. Turkey's membership in NATO and its desire to join the EU have hampered the military and resulted in a lot of friction within the Turkish military. Public confidence in the Turkish military has plunged from over 90% to less than 60%. The Egyptian military is watching this with considerable alarm since the fundamental elements of Turkish and Egyptian society are very similar.
6) This can only incite Isreal's "normal" paranoia. Israel's rapproachment with Turkey is in ruins since Ergodan was elected. Syria is already completely destabilized. Syria's destabilization will automatically cause a great power vacuum in Lebanon. Iran continues to act out. Everywhere Israel looks it is surrounded by enemies. And Israel is starting to openly press the US to abandon the Camp David Accords. If the US withdraws from the CDA, it will be pretty much the end of any remaining shreds of credibility within the Arab world, and especially in Iraq and Egypt where American influence is still very strong. Needless to say, anything that hurts relations between the US and any Islamic country, including Turkey, is just hunky dory with Israel. But the bottom line is that the IDF realizes that they will probably lose any future war with Egypt because of what Dyan called "math versus maneuver."
7) A strange joker in the Egyptian deck is that virtually every lawyer in Egypt is a MB member. Probably half or so of the judges in sub-national courts are as well. This predominance of lawyers in politics often can be seen in Pakistan and Bangladesh where the lawyers cannot directly effect politics very much, but can tie the country in knots with strikes. A lawyers' strike essentially shuts down all commercial functions such as land transfers, business deals, etc.
8) The wild card in the Egyptian deck is the Copts. The Islamists want the world to watch "women's rights" as a marker of Islamic "progress." Morsi has said he might appoint a female Vice President. The problem with this is that a Vice President is painfully easy to marginalize as are most women in political office if the culture is that misogynist. There is a good likelihood that Morsi will make a huge deal of "giving" women rights --- rights that then can be slowly, one-by-one taken away, in order to pacify the huge number of women who participated in the Tahir Square protests. But the thing to watch very carefully for Morsi's real intentions is the treatment of the Coptic Christians. This group is a little over 15% of Egypt's population but almost a quarter of its economy. They have co-existed in Egypt since the 4th century (around 320AD) and in lesser forms since the very beginning of Christianity (and far longer than Islam.) Morsi could rally the poor and the uneducated and unemployed pretty easily Copts and if that is successful could rally them against the military to the point that war with Israel become his path to real power.
9) Another big "unknown" is the Egyptian tourist industry. While it does bring in considerable money into the economy its value is even greater in bringing in foreign exchange and in the numbers of unskilled and semi-skilled people that the industry employs. If the tourist industry does not recover pretty quickly, the impact on the Egyptian economy, already in deep depression will be devastating and would take decades to repair. Fundamentalist Muslims are dead set against the tourist industry because they believe it "honors" a false religion and a time before Islam. (Remember the Taliban blowing up the early 6th century Buddhas of Bamiyan?)
This is an incredibly complex situation that will take decades to play out completely. But the worst thing we can do is to try to oversimply the situation or resort to jingoism against Muslims. But if the Muslims act against the Copts or Israel, especially if that action is an attempt to unify the Egyptian people behind either the MB or the Egyptian military, it may require US/NATO intervention which would probably be couched in terms of "protecting the Suez Canal." (Actually the Suez Canal is virtually worthless because it is outdated, too low in capacity, and an extremely high-maintenance piece of infrastructure.)
Read the president´s words and those of the Muslim Brotherhood.It seems closer to the Muslim version of Mein Kampf. This guy is a clear and present danger to the whole world.. just as are the beasts of the Islamic Revolution in Iran.No mistaking this.Wake up world!!
Thank you for a well written and educated post.
So long as the Muslim Brotherhood doesn't send any more suicide hijackers to bring down our highrises, then let them have thier Egypt. I know I won't be going back.
Just go on imagining.
Most of the normal things in Egypt will be tossed out by these mad one-way street Sunni Islamic extremists.
Followers of Islamic cult, especially Sunni Saudi inspired Islamic radicals and militants (al-Qaida, Salaffi, Wahhabi, MB and other label ones), are fast marching backwards to their seventh century desert tribal days of rapings, lootings, killings and genocides of non-Muslims and Muslims.
It will not be much different in Egypt from their previous track records.
So much for the learned "analysts" and wishful thinking of western media outlets.
I even had known this was going to happen, of course Morsi will try to gain more power and the military will try to control it. I have a feeling there will be more chaos, since Morsi is quite popular..
Business as usual in the middle east. They will continue to be brutal dictatorships run by "guru's" who claim to be appointed by "Allah". We'd best develop our own resources here and abandon them. Especially, we should quit selling them arms and supporting their efforts to develop nukes behind the scenes. We should spend the money and effort developing the "Star Wars" defense advocated by Reagan decades ago.
If you don't sell you don't get the money to build your star wars defence systems.!!!!!!!!!! !!
People must develop in their own space and time. There is no country that can solve the problems of another country by force. People will change their habits when they are tired of anything. The US and Europe has not and will not achieve anything in the long run. They will go the same way as all the other empires before them have gone. Dust will cover their achievements and termites will devour their legasy. The Egyptians will eventually come to their senses, but so will at the antagonists.
@jerryb,
I cannot believe that people are still discussing Reagan's Strategic Defense Initiative or "Star Wars" as though it was something other than a massive scam. The "x-ray laser" that was at the heart of SDI was never feasible because it broke a number of laws of physics. Every one of the 140 project managers involved in SDI resigned because it was undoable. Around $1.1 trillion was spent off budget, with no accounting even to this day, and using money looted from the Social Security, Highways, Airways, Medicare, and other trust funds and a lot of "voodoo economics" such as counting the money taken from Social Security as an asset while also counting the IOU in the SS lockbox as an asset.
The SDI was officially cancelled "(i)n 1987, (when) the American Physical Society concluded that a global shield such as "Star Wars" was not only impossible with existing technology, but that ten more years of research was needed to learn whether it might ever be feasible."
In other words, Reagan, whose knowledge as a physicist was zero, poured over a trillion dollars into a military industrial complex rat hole and there is absolutely nothing to show for it except the missing money.
So on the one hand we have someone advocating the lost cause of Reagan's Star Wars (by they way, his tax cuts put the country into a huge deficit, sound familiar?) and on the other hand the fearful prophecy of the US and Europe being covered in dust. But it is the Middle Eastern nations that rose then crumbled and were covered in the dust of their depleted resources. They've only come back through the wealth, trade, and industry of countries like the US and the Europeans and through the need for oil.
So without oil and $$$ from other countires to bolster their economies, what would be their significance? When new technologies bring about less need for oil, what other resource will they offer? People already have plenty of dust.
Military run is dictatorship. Dump the military,where are all the NATO jerks? NATO weenies need money to open their mouth. Now new election? What till military gets what it want. Talking about Corruption in the Military,these fat Holloween uniforms .Running the country and we say nothings. If the people voted this guy in let him run the country,for his term. Other wise don't sell us anymore of this Democracy for the middleast,the "stink"is heavy in Egypt.
Egypt is not a member of NATO..NATO has nothing to do with this.
Arab League is what Egypt is in.
The USA has provided more money to an Egyptian Dictator than any other outside source.
Its not Democracy and it will never be, Islam and Democracy are not compatible. What we have is the Army trying to prevent Egypt from doing a backslide into the islamic abyss . Morsi is an islamist, and will tell you anything to advance his sick religious beliefs. Egypt right now has one hope, the army.
NATO? Really?
People who have studied this area for their entire lives do not know what will happen-yet people, many of whom cannot point Egypt out on a map, know all. It is not that simple.
Special Ed, if the US cuts funding to Egypt, they must also cut funding to Israel. Every President since Carter, including Regan and both Bush's have followed this as per the Camp David treaty. If we were to go back on that now, it could open a can of worms no one wants between Egypt and Israel.
what a putrid disgusting mess. Trouble is we are on the same path, presided over by the liar obozo
oh big max stop vomiting your anti Obama garbage or at least go to an Obama bashing site. THis article is about Egypt not Obama who I have mixed feelling about but is nothing approaching your comments which are impudent.impertinent,abusive and BIG lies.Anyway buzz off this article!!
yeah, the obozo, odumbo, hussein etc stuff gets old real fast. the childish name-calling doesn't help anything.
Be a military coup there very soon.
I certainly hope so.
Another day closer to the birth of another sharia @!$%#hole.
They can have our constitution. We're not using it anymore.
They wouldn't be able read it with all the white out and crayons the government used to make changes.
Procrustes, that is the best comment ever, clever, funny and true.
When a person or a people or a nation gains freedom, the first thing that usually happens is the powers that attain control or handed control or win control DENY freedom to everyone else EXCEPT those who are supporters or abide by THEIR rules. The Nazis rose to power ousting the strict, controlled rules of the French and others who beat then in WW II and then went on to become the world's most known, horrific regime, The communists fought the repression and inequalities of the Russian Oligarchy, only to become one of the most brutal, terrroizing regime in human history. So, here we have it again. Will the Muslim Brotherhood abide by FREE ELECTIONS again, OR will they pick and choose who can run and who can hold office? Will they harass, arrrest, or chase out anyone who challenges them? If so, they have replaced Mubarek with themselves, and nothing will change UNTIL the next revolution, which could be soon or light years away.
The military has made a huge mistake for not working on a new constitution first then do the presidential election! the constitution must have been created by experts by all sides,then get the vote on it! the fact remains, that the presidential election WAS NOT a free election! Morsi was not elected in a free election! his mob scared people to either for him or stay away! I don't blame people for being scared of the MB mob who are the enemies of Egypt for their agenda to take Egypt back to the dark age with their Shariah! Did you see that poor woman in Afganistan, she was shut to death by those thugs who follow the Shariah! they are savages who must be brough to justice! Oh! Morsi resigned from MB and its party, then later he said it was his duty to work on releasing his terrorist brothers including Omar Rahman! The military has the duty to end this before it gets far worse! the miltary must think about the more than 85 million Egyptians! not to be intimidted by the 13 millions votes for Morsi! Egypt must not be dragged back to the dark age in the name of fake democracy! Islam and democracy CAN NOT coexist! All muslim leaders in early Islam were appointed ! it's called khlifa! the current one chooses the next one, the next one choose the next next one! no election! Mb modified that to intimidation, getting the thugs to the streets to get elected!
Bill-4012182,
I assume that "WWII" is a typo on your part; the Versailles Treaty followed WWI, not WWII. The Nazis arose by manipulating the elections and using terror tactics to overthrow the Weimar Republic that was established in Germany after WWI. The Nazi Third Reich was the successor of the Weimar Republic. WWII was started by, and fought against, the Third Reich.
With a tag like that you would now!
@Nonsenserules,
A good handle considering your ill-informed rant.
Morsi was elected in a fair and free election. There were poll watchers from the UN, the US State Department, the Arab League and the Carter Institute. All agreed that the small number of irregularities was astounding considering that it was Egypt's first truly democratic election. There was no intimidation reported by "his mob" or anyone else's. Morsi won by a significant margin, but certainly not in a landslide as "rigged" elections invariably do.
The woman in Afghanistan that was shot to death was not shot by "thugs" but by her husband. In Texas he would most likely be acquited as a "justified" killing because she was accused of adultery. Talmudic Law (on which English Common Law and our justice system) differs only in that it specifically calls for stoning her to death. Muslims are just as likely to kill people because of Sharia Law as Christians are to stand outside Red Lobster and stone all the shrimp-eaters to death because their Bible tells them to.
While I will agree that your rant is "nonsense" I do not agree that it "rules."
Chris, why do you ruin your credibility with silliness like the following:
Total B.S. There is no clause in any Texas or U.S. law that would allow for acquitting a husband of murder because the wife was accused of adultery.
Also:
More Total B.S. I'm an atheist myself but your lame attempt at moral equivalency between what Christians do in the name of Christianity and what Muslims do in the name of Islam is a concoction of your own construction. Islamic Law stipulates draconian punishments such as stonings, amputations, eye-gougings and the like for "crimes" that no other creed on earth would even think to sanction. How would you like to be stoned to death for adultery or being a rape victim? Yes that happens in Islamic Law. Only in Islam. How would you like to be killed because you choose to follow your conscience and decide on a religion (or no religion) other than Islam. Apostasy. That's what Islamic Law calls for [because Muhammad said so in a highly "authoritative" hadith (al-Bukhari)] if someone is born into Islam and dares to go another way. Only in Islam, and yes these sentences ARE carried out in the real world by some fundamentalist Muslims trying their damnedest to be the best (purist) Muslims they can possibly be.
No, other religions don't call for sh!t like this. Maybe hundreds of years ago, but not today. Why is ONLY Islam still stuck in the dark ages? That salient question could lead you to some startling, if unpleasant, discoveries my friend. I urge you to look into it deeper.
One thing is certain and it is that these people cannot govern themselves as no Islamic country can. They have always needed a dictatorial controlling leader, just what kind. The civilian type with Morsi is likely to go the conservative Islamic route and the military is more likely to be more secular. there are very few examples of Islam with democracy of any kind.
We deserve this. Thanks Hussein, Thanks Hillary.
Thru out this whole article, it talks about "The Brother Hood"... Just who got elected, Morsi or the Brother Hood, or are they one in the same, altho "Morsi has resigned from both the Brotherhood and its party".
BO has "Personally" invited this person to the White House. Just wondering, is he going to give him some pointers or Ask for Morsi' advice????
Probably trade ideas!!!
there will be no good outcome for america in this situation bank on it
MSNBC...I know one of the Bush sisters work for you..but what in the world are they both doing in this article (video at top of article)?
Notice you took it off..your welcome MSNBC.
It was medling that created this avoidable cituation in the first place, medling into the afairs of other nations.
Nature can handle it if you would leave it alone. Nature has always been able to handle any cituation. The people will resolve their differences in the long run. Leave them alone and get out of there. Your democracy is not for everyone stop stuffing it into the faces of people who do not understand or want it. Life will go on with or without democracy. You are making the world a bad place to live or die.
Please use your spell checker
I like that he is willing to defy the military and the powerful established generals to encourage democracy.
I can't say I like his actual political views.
That's the problem with democracy -- sometimes the views of the people aren't in line with American values, even if they really are a true and free democracy. There's no reason to assume they will be allies, or even friendly.
Democracies can be unfriendly, even enemies, with each other.
Morally, it is still superior to dictatorships or despotisms, since at least the people are free to choose their own government, and not being repressed by a single, all-powerful ruler. But it also means they're less likely to be a friendly, puppet-nation that is easy for the US to contain and control.
MSpielman:
I bet you like the idea of Obama 'defying' Congress and giving them 1.5 BILLION of OUR TAX DOLLARS.
"During a trip through Colorado in December of last year, President Obama spoke of his intention to implement his economic policies with or without the approval of Congress. Said Obama, “And where Congress is not willing to act, we’re going to go ahead and do it ourselves.” It now appears that such a mindset applies not only to economic matters but to the distribution of foreign aid as well--in particular, foreign military aid for the Muslim Brotherhood, who now hold the reigns in Egypt."
And mark my words... sooner or later he is going to give them Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, aka the “Blind Sheikh.... Just watch and see.
@Proud,
It is the Camp David Accords, not Obama, that dictate the military and economic aid and loans given to Egypt. We agreed to give "equivalent" aid to both countries. Cutting aid to Egypt means that we must also cut aid to Israel. The big difference is that we give mostly equipment (such as Abrams tanks and F-16's) and financing for specific infrastructure projects (such as sewage systems) to Egypt while we tend to give cash without strings to Israel.
Rahman was tried in Federal court, found guilty and is serving a life sentence. Compare that to the detainees in Guantanamo. The other difference is that while Obama could order the release of a detainee in Gitmo for some reason such as in exchange for hostages, it is much, much more difficult to do so with federal prisoners where there is no parole short of an executive pardon, which ain't gonna happen. You have to remember that various Presidents going back to Eisenhower have released over 300 Mossad spies who were caught spying on the United States and were released. Only two were ever convicted and both were released to "serve the remainder of their sentence in Israel." You have to do a lot better than that.
Chris, clearly you know a lot about the topic as your posts are well educated and thought out.
Why on earth are you wasting your efforts here?
Why, for that matter, am I?
@uchusky99, Chris is obviously expending some effort here but you aren't.
Morsi has a rocky road ahead. The trouble is that the Islamic Brotherhood is a suspect organization. He may have brought it from the prisons to the forefront, but the world has a better memory than it used to. Morsi's call to work for release of jailed terrorist Omar Abdel Rahman revealed his position. The Islamic brotherhood has been running a long term polemic against the west. Mohammad Atta was an IB member.
Soon Morsi will understand how much Egypt was dependent on the West. I suppose that the oil rich countries of the Gulf can prop Egypt up, but that will wear thin.
Egypt had a chance to replace the old regime with a newer one, but instead they looked to an even older model and more suppresive regime.
Perhaps military rule is the better option.
It is just as difficult to believe Morsi as it is to believe, say Romney. Morsi knows that he will not secure the release of Rahman, but it plays well to the "core". Just as Romney says he will increase defense spending from 3.2 to 4% of GDP and cut taxes by 20%. That won't happen either, but plays well to the "core."
Charles
Nothing good will come out of the MB, on the of their agenda is Shariah! I remember one of their leaders said, a few month ago, that the MB had to kill Sadat because he was in the way of the way to Shariah! I hope the military work on creating the constitution sooner before it's too late!
Chris
please google the muslim brotherhood, so instead replying based on nonsene will be based facts, history of more than 80 years of MB!
Chris, comparing Morsi to Romney is really stupid.
Egypt is moving toward the U.S. model. Rule by unelected, unaccountable judges.
You have to remember that the Founding Fathers of this country had two great fears: religion and democracy. They feared both. They has seen democracy in action in the French Revolution and had seen religion at work with Cromwell's Roundheads. They knew that democracy is, as Ambrose Bierce defined it, "four wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch." They knew that in a democracy, the majority uses all its power to strip rights from minorities and that is not what they wanted.
That is why the Founding Fathers made the President, Vice-President, Cabinet, Supreme Court, Senate and every high government office to be apppointed rather than elected. Only the House was to be directly elected and they gave the House the shortest possible term of office to limit the ill effects of democracy (as well as conveniently giving the slave states more power in Congress than the free states.)
And you have to remember that out Founding Fathers were mostly only nominal "Christians". Most educated men of the time, including our Founding Fathers, were Deists --- believers in a "clockmaker" God who created the universe then left it to its own devices. The Founding Fathers were especially repelled by the Christians in the Colonies because they were Calvinists. Protestants of the day did not believe as we do today. They saw Christ as a "pseudopod" of God that was exuded to deliver a message and when that message had been delivered the pseudopod was adsorbed back into God. Calvinists considered Christ as pretty much irrelevant religiously. The Fou8nding Fathers knew that Calvinists (including the Pilgroms) came to this country, not to escape religious persecution, but to practice it freely on others.
Just saying .....
Now THAT sounds more like democracy in Egypt.
Hopefully this won't turn out as bad as many of us suspect but it isn't looking good for Egypt and the Middle East so far and could turn worse than with Mabarek.
It's already worse than Mubarak. It's looking to turn much worse.
Serves them right for listening to Obama.
Just watch what happens if BO is reelected. He will appoint the 1st Supreme Sharia Court of America and instruct his bud Holder not to sue anymore in the SCOTUS but use the SSCA...
Nobama in 2012...
The spread of the Caliphate from the Eastern Atlantic shores, across the Med into Pakistan should be of no concern to us. We are brothers and if the people elect then we must follow. Allah Akbar.