let's hope the delivery is made soon.

Get a Fk'n job man......

WTF is wrong with these people?! Nothing better to do but sit around and try and figure out how to kill innocent civilians.

I could only "imagine" how this world would be if there was never "any" war.

Just imagine "not" having that feeling of being scared or worrying about your life wherever you went in this world. Just smiling all day doing your thing and everybody welcoming you with open arms.

You know?!

Ok, enough about the drones and techo-toy warfare. The fact of the matter is that technology has never been a deciding factor in protracted, asymetrical warfare and for every bad person we take out with a drone, one hundred keep on fighting. Second, drones have a way of missing their intended targets and doing what "Creek Dog" referenced in his statement - "kill innocent people". Third, as long as Western countries keep playing games with terrorists like being more concered with their civil rights than killing them or using enhanced interrogation techniques, they will keep winning and threatening our lives. Lastly, the SAS, which is about 5 times as lethal as our Navy SEALS's and without the psyop press or glamor, has the capability to take out terrorists anywhere in the world, and Kenya, a former colony of Britain with every square inch of it known to the British military, would be no impediment if they wanted to take this dumb ass bitch out. The more press time and internet fame we give her, the more her cause is enhanced. Time to do her in I would say AND, start doing the same to the radical muslim groups and Imams that are known terrorist supporters from London to Dearborn. Enough said.

If they were innocent they wouldn't get in the way. Screw em.

Jihad business all over the world has become too much to tolerate.

When most don't care for religion much these days, followers of Islamic cult, especially Sunni Saudi inspired Islamic radicals and militants (al-Qaida, Salaffi, Wahhabi, MB and other label ones), are fast marching backwards to their seventh century desert tribal days of rapings, lootings, killings and genocides of non-Muslims.

In Muslim nations, they are killing each other like in Syria, Pakistan and other places.

New Islamic religious Nazis have become biggest dangers to world peace.

Hey Creep dog..

where were your lectures when Muslims are on the news killing innocent people every single day?

You obviously don't have a job otherwise you wouldnt be living with your parents...

Jonathan,

It's actually quite the opposite.

Early Islam was a vastly intellectual proposition. Have you ever researched The Golden Age of Islam?

Yes, there was violence (as with all major religions), but early adopters of this faith also contributed a great deal to the math and sciences. Ever hear of Arabic numerals? Algebra? Why do you think a majority of the early constellations all have Arabic names?

Early Muslims actually spent a great deal of their time translating earlier classical works and had a great deal of influence over a flourishing culture of tolerance and the diversification of ideas. Sadly, a single Muslim scholar changed the entire direction of Islam when he claimed math was the language of the devil. The faith has never recovered.

In my view, the only way we can defeat the current ideology of hate and murder, is to remind the youthful generation of Muslims about their ancestors. These were men and women who cared about science and culture. Did you know the only word mentioned in the Qu'ran with the same frequency as Allah, is "Knowledge"?

Christianity had its own barbaric history to contend with. The only difference between the two, is that Christianity had a direct clash with The Principles of the Enlightenment. Revelation ... oppressive dogma ... corrupt priests ... all of these variables were (to a certain extent) curtailed by a new passion for science and reason. Unfortunately, Islam was isolated from this great movement of progress.

New Islamic religious Nazis have become biggest dangers to world peace.

I agree with 100%

But the key word here is new.

We need to educate this new generation of Muslims about their past, less we reap the fruits of their destructive future.

Of course, get every drone and every boot on the ground after these ignorant muslim cowardly killers. The more the press trumpets their success and killing, the more of them will prepare to attack and get thier share of thier illiterate and foolish "heavenly glory".

Algebra was developed by the Hindus and the Greeks. Best you can say about the Muslims is that they made some additions.

Starting with Mohammed, Islam was terrible to non-believers and women. Best a Christian or Jew could be was a 5th class citizen.

And as for me, I don't give a rat's behind about Christianity's past. Thank goodness we're beyond that. So, two wrongs making a right, should we let Islam murder and oppress now since they, and Christianity, did it in the past?

Algebra was developed by the Hindus and the Greeks. Best you can say about the Muslims is that they made some additions.

I guess you didn't read my point:

Early Muslims actually spent a great deal of their time translating earlier classical works

"Classical works" meaning a broad range (not just literary).

So, two wrongs making a right, should we let Islam murder and oppress now since they, and Christianity, did it in the past?

hmmm.

Yes,

That's exactly what I was saying. We should let everyone kill everyone because everyone killed everyone in the past. {facepalm}

Proof of Early Islam as an intellectual proposition:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Banu_Qurayza

and so it goes....

Third, as long as Western countries keep playing games with terrorists like being more concered with their civil rights than killing them or using enhanced interrogation techniques, they will keep winning and threatening our lives.

Fourth, as long as keep on killing them indiscriminately, we will keep on creating more than we kill.

It's not civil rights of terrorists that we are concerned with. It is YOUR civil rights that we are concerned with. How do we know that you are not a terrorist? How do we know that anyone is not a terrorist?

What if some misguided government official decides on flimsy evidence that you are a terrorist. Will that be OK? Or is it only OK if he decides it is someone else on the basis of flimsy evidence?

This is the reason why we have a court system. To try to minimize these errors and to keep the innocent out of the prison system and also not murdered by Hellfire missiles.

Ixor

I'm confused about your point here?

It would be like me listing the hundreds of links citing stories of early slaughters of the crusades. What's the difference?

I sure hope you're not under the impression that I'm defending religion here ... I'm an atheist. Religion is the bane of our existence. My original point, however, stands.

Chad,

Sure. I agree. The crusades; the response to militant Islam conquering the Byzantine Empire, was a messy business. Especially for the Jews. The differance is that in Islam the behavior in question is permanently institutionalized and it cannot be changed. The Koran unlike the bible lists cultures that are still here. Namely all of them in the entire World. There are Muslims (we're the best) Jews or Christians (third class 'dhimmi" and must pay the "jizyah"(protection tax)...and be constantly reminded of their humiliation. Don't laugh. There clerics in Egypt right now promoting its re-institution. And kufars: you convert or suffer worse than Jews and Christians. The ultimate goal for every Muslim is that the entire world population must be brought under submission one way or another to the ultimate social/political construct known as the "relgion" of Islam.

"Religion is the bane of existence". That is a popular straw-man arguement. All religions are not equal. I know to your ears and current sensibility the following will sound like sky-high hyperbole, but Islam is the most dangerous ideology in the history of mankind.

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muhammad:_The_Example_of_Ethical_Behavior

All religions are not equal. I know to your ears and current sensibility the following will sound like sky-high hyperbole, but Islam is the most dangerous ideology in the history of mankind.

It's odd you would reference this in a manner which would make you feel I somehow disagree?

I understand certain precepts within Islam are more of a political ideology than a religion, but I'm still not sure how any of this pertains to my original post/point? Moderates within Islam were able to look past dogmatic revelation for the greater good of scientific inquiry ... just like moderate Christians were/still are.

Maybe I should reinforce that I'm no fan of Islam. But again, maybe I should also highlight that doesn't mean I simply gloss over the full history of the faith (including The Golden Age of Islam) as well.

"Religion is the bane of existence". That is a popular straw-man arguement.

Actually, no. It is not.

Pretending to know things you don't know (the essence of faith) is the seed of intellectual subjugation with which irrational dogma arises. This fact is independent of how violent one religion is over another.

Ixor Kleb, amazing commentary. I agree with you completely. Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts.

At least we now know where Casey Anthonys been hiding.

chad: You are twisting facts and confusing issues. Others have already pointed out flaws in your post.

All moderate, liberal, secular, leftists and so on label Muslims are not doing their basic duties in opposing hijacking of Islam by mad mullahs of Saudi Arabia and other places!

These days troubles Muslims are inventing all over the world have become too much to tolerate even to moderates, leftists, liberals and others, who don't believe much in any religion.

chad: You are twisting facts and confusing issues. Others have already pointed out flaws in your post.

Actually, no.

No one, not once, has really pointed out any "flaws" in my posts. Here's a secret (as I've said about 15 times now) I agree with what most have posted to me ... Including what you just posted.

Sheesh ... does reading comprehension simply not exist around here anymore?

My original point had nothing to do with the "problems" of Islam (we all know these are far-reaching and deep-seeded within a faith of intolerance.) But again (for the 15+ time) that is not what my commentary was based on. My original point (to you) was that early Islam was actually much different than the cultural construct we see today. Yes, there was violence. But there was also a vast network of Muslims who were spending more of their time studying science, the cosmos, math and philosophy than there were Muslim soldiers slaughtering innocent people. My larger narrative is ... wouldn't it be a good idea to try and remind this generations Muslims about this? I guarantee they don't realize they come from a lineage of scholars and science-minded people who appreciated the wisdom of more than "one" book.

Anyone who can't readily admit this is either 1.) Ignorant of Islam. 2.) Ignorant of history. or 3.) Ignorant of both.

Judging by some of the comments, I'm going with 3.

I could only "imagine" how this world would be if there was never "any" war.

Much more over-populated and disease ridden, not to mention even less natural resources and far fewer technological advances.

Chad,

I based my sentance, "i kmow to your ears..."based on what you wrote.

All religions are not equal. I know to your ears and current sensibility the following will sound like sky-high hyperbole, but Islam is the most dangerous ideology in the history of mankind.

It's odd you would reference this in a manner which would make you feel I somehow disagree?

I based it on your statement that implied you would not bother to 1."come to the defense of religion"

2. You are an "atheist"

3. "Religion is the bane of existance" (which is sky high hyperbole and it is a backhand strawman arguement. You cannot equate stawberries to apples to oranges to prunes and rhubarb. Ergo fruit is the bane of digestion existance.

The above statements led me to believe you are no fan of religion. I am sorry to cause offense. Remember I did after all start by stating "I agree..."

Peace?

I have read many times in many places about the so-called "Golden Age of Islam" and for a time I bought into the notion. I now am convinced if there was any so called "metalic age of Islam" that metal would be the alloy known as brass.

The So called "gold" was scholarship hijacked from other cultures conquered by Islam. Particularly the conquest of India and the subsequent destruction and plundering of Indian temples, centuries old Universities and libraries. scores of them. adn the so called Gold was not spread throughout the early Islamic empire. It shone, here and there...only to tarnish and decline under the yoke of submission and an Islamic sense of fatalism. Inshallah And the Jews that florished and "were protected..i.e christianity bad islam good" were so in the sense that the starting point for them (Jews) was presumed and assumed inferiority and continual humiliation. They too were subjected to pogroms and massacres..until some Caliph once again needed a good Doctor...

I tried editing spelling errors but ran out of time.

I also wanted to mention that within Islam "Moderates" ( the term being oxymoronic) will not be able to "amend Islam" for perpetuity. There are "moderate" but evan they- under closer scutiny are

not.

There is nothing moderate about Islam and it never will be.

Me: Islam has a ton of problems. We all know that. But there once was a time (early in the faith) where many adherents were actually much more interested in cultural diversity of thought and science (they even translated earlier, classical works and contributed much to the math and sciences). Wouldn't it be beneficial to educate this new generation of Muslims that some of their ancestors actually looked to reason and intellect over murder and intolerance (regardless of what their religion instructed)?

You: Yeah, but they still killed a lot of people back then.

Me: Yes, there was a ton of violence back then. There was war, genocide and oppression. But there was also another side of the religion that contributed to science, medicine and philosophy. Wouldn't it be beneficial to educate this new generation of Muslims that their religion hasn't always been centralized around martyrdom and Jihad?

You: Yeah, but Islam has central tenants that lead to oppression and intolerance ... this can't be changed. Oh, yeah. They also killed a lot of people back then.

Me: Yes, but like ALL religions, some adherents were able to LOOK PAST dogma and flourish in an environment of science and reason for the betterment of their society. Hmm, here's an idea, maybe we could educate and remind this new generation of Muslims about this instead of dropping bombs on their heads (in return, creating more radicals)?

You: There is nothing moderate about about Islam. Oh yeah, they killed a lot of people back then.

Me:

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Nice piece of fiction. Real cute piece of entertainment But it is not... none of it is a satisfactory refutation of anything I have written. It is rife with repetition (yours). It does prove you can substitute confabulation and inuendo for careful reason, historic perspective and substance with panache.

Thanks for bringing up"They killed lots of people back then" As YOU and only you point out. Indeed they did ...and still do so, con gusto.

1,400 years, a terrific but brief, non-homogeneous "golden age", all that "looking past dogma" and as of yet no evolution. The Indians gave us Gandhi, The Buddhists: The Dalai Lama...The Catholics popes have apologized for centuries of anti-semetism, tossing out failed priests, paying recompensation and the Jews are still quietly giving the world Nobel Prizes and their resultant spin-offs.

they even translated earlier, classical works

That was the more cosmoplitan dhimmi-tized Jews that provided those vital services.

Educate yourself instead of shooting from the hip at me, entertaining your admirers then flat-lining. You will learn that Muslims have plenty of educators and scholars. They actually produced some scholarship. Read some of it. Hassan al-Banna, Haj Amin al-Husseini etc. Read about them. But don't stop there. Read what they wrote. Ever since Islamists started getting their butts kicked as a result of failed conquest or re-conquest eg, the last 150 years of modern history when they decided to aim bombs at us . The "scholarship" unanimously prescribes a return to Islamic fundamentalism, pan-Arabism etc. No more no less. The Living scholars- you can find no shortage of them on Youtube if you don't want to bother with the library are preaching the same theme. Start with "Hudna". There are two (yup only two) reformers -not novelists such as Solomon Rushdie... one in Canada, one in Jordan...try and find them. Good luck. They, like their fiction-writing counterpart are blogging and uploading from the land of Fatwa. BTW: Muslim Kids dissing Pat Condell on youtube do not constitute influential "Living Muslim Scholars and Imams"

You want "us" to educate the Muslims?

How about some cute PSAs? You do have a flair for scripting:

How 'bout:

"Blowing up The Pyramids is really bad for business and that can really ruin your whole day"

"Don't get your dishdasha dusty" ...

"Off-ing your wife and daughter won't get the dishes done"

"Don't bomb me...I turned the other cheek"

Wouldn't it be beneficial to educate this new generation of Muslims that some of their ancestors actually looked to reason and intellect over murder and intolerance (regardless of what their religion instructed)?

That really comment/wishful thinking displays the bigotry of lowered expectations and bears out my point(s).

BTW: YOU can't amend Islam parenthetically or otherwise... by inserting the past tense.

I wasn't being fair: Islam gave us Rumi...and the B'hai-allah But we know what happened to them and their followers that is still ongoing.....

Where's the CIA?, still looking for Osama Bin Laiden....DERRRRRRRRRRRRR.

indeed. how do you think the cia can find this woman, when they couldn't locate the world's most wanted man -- the tallest man in pakistan -- for almost a decade?

Good grief JP, really? The last guy in office didn't get UBL despite 7 1/2 years of trying. When we finally did find they guy and take it out, it was under the watch of your so-called Muslim boss.

Sort of invalidates your argument.

CIA has its own limitations and a set mindset.

US, British and many still believe that there are good and bad Islamic radicals and terrorists!

Hope you remember that near Pakistan border, a suicide bomber blew up more than six CIA operatives including some big names.

JP, if that's so, why, then wasn't USB stopped before he attacked on 9/11, almost a year into the previous administration, then go at large for the rest of that administration's double term -- in fact, be sheltered by the former army general who was so close with (and paid billions and billions by) the heads of that administration, just a few hundred yards away from that guy's military school, then be taken out, as he should have been in about October, 2001, by the guy you so describe? What's wrong with this picture?

Do not want to sound like a broken record, but please read Ali Soufan's book "The Black Banners" and hope to never bring it up again. Gitmo, water boarding are the biggest failures and a group who I will not mention by name but is supposed to have SOME intelligence really dropped the ball in the last decade(s). President Obama is not getting the credit he deserves for what has been accomplished, he and his family will be on the hit list of Jihadist's for the rest of their lives. We are in for a thousand year war,get used to it. Not that I believe we have a thousand mind you.

Yea, right, the last time we tried that we got our asses kicked. How many times do you have to see the movie before you get the plot?

JP, love to know what you mean by getting our ass kicked. I suggest you check number of our troops killed compared to the enemy in any war.

The US didn't "lose" in Somalia in 1994 for which the movie Blackhawk Down resulted from. That was a failed UN mission chain of command that allowed other officers from other countries to control our movements and military. Clinton and our military leaders learned from that and in any UN or NATO type mission today, if American soldiers are in contact with the enemy and other nations don't want to support or allow us, the US military can do what it takes to engage the enemy and protect ourselves. And the Somali body country was 100+ times higher than ours; 18 US dead, 3000+ Somalis dead. Just our worth of life is much higher than that region where it is meaningless except maybe for a druglord and his family.

Where are those good muslims that just want to live in peace? I slept in a little and missed their comments.

The outrage would be "casting Islam in unfavorable light"

"Free speech" as we know and love it has no place in Islam.

Steve the dog man

Where are those good muslims that just want to live in peace? I slept in a little and missed their comments.

There is no such thing.

Clever, I love it!

He put them there, and when they came under heavy fire, he did not allow a rescue. He is a S.O.B.

Islam the religion of pieces and separated body parts.

Reminds of a quote from Lawrence of Arabia.

What a dickhead you are, vet or not. Go suck an egg d-bag.

Wait until they discover "she" is really a "HE" in drag. Thata freakem out!

Good one TVAR; You just made my day. All day long ROFLMFAO.

I've wondered about that one! What does a successful woman terrorist get in the afterlife? Who would think that 72 men would be heaven? I don't think there are 72 virgin men in the universe! Good one, rfrisch!

That's the point actually. We're to live believing this is the new "normal". It's just muslims practicing their faith as commanded by their prophet, mohamat. You wouldn't stop a Catholic from praying the Rosary, or a Jew from lighting candles, why would you want to prevent a muslim from striking terror into the hearts of the disbelievers? Are you an islamophobe(tm)?

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