The Afgans can shoot a woman in the back but cannot fight their own wars. Cowardly and shameful......

In a parallel universe somewhere there is a Taliban man getting his nuts hacked off while a hundred women cheer.

Be-careful MSNBC, your handlers at the top do not like it when you report real news without a bias to it. The handlers at the top do not like when the Messiah (BHO) is called into the fray and has to provide an answer to this failure called Afghanistan.

This is shameful and horrible. Yes, they are cowards and I believe it's time that they try to join us in the 21st century!

Jim...you can apply that same philosophy to the state next door, or the city next door, or to your next door neighbor.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." - AU

unsane...

"One that confounds good and evil is an enemy to the good."

11 years at war and still no resolution. Afghanistan is the graveyard of empires.

concernedone, the difference being that this area of the world has been populated and "civilized" since the days of the Silk Road circa 1st century BCE. We have been a country populated and "civilized" since 1776, you do the math here. They've had 2000 plus years to find a way.

MadMorrison, you sir, are an idiot you lays broad, sweeping statements at an entire people. Please keep your comments to yourself.

.......and this is why these creatures will forever remain several notches below the rest of the civilized humans on this planet! They live like slave zombies to a religion that they have mutated to this level of cruelty and they deserve to be isolated and made extinct!

Why are we there?

Let them keep killing each other and save our money.

Freedom and revolution doesn't come cheap. Our fore fathers, knew what it tokk and for grnerations we understood it.

Now it seems we don't appreciate (like the spoiled child that was given everything) and are in danger of losing it.

Stop giving power to oyr government.

Rabid dogs must die...

NEA Exec, you sound a mite rabid to me.....

The fate that all religious zealots wish upon women is total control over their lives and bodies.

knife104

We have been a country populated and "civilized" since 1776, you do the math here.

No, the early colonials did not suddenly come into existence a few hundred years ago in North America. Our ancestors came from (predominantly) Europe and brought their law and culture with them. Those European cultures had a few thousand years to evolve as well, yet the practice of punishing those not willing to conform to the moral compass of the time had NOT gone away when they came here. They brought the practices with them. Search old American laws regarding sexual sin, including adultery... By the way, MANY of these laws did not come off the American law books until fairly recently in some cases. Granted - we stopped hanging people for the "crime" a long time ago, but was still a punishable offense.

"Afghanistan is the graveyard of empires"--I think some people here better wake up!

"accused of adultery"

I'll bet that means "raped."

Gee, he had to shoot her in the back, and shoot her ten times at point blank? What a sick SOB. They need to hunt that man down along as the rest of them and torture them to death for this. What a horrible religion, with terrible rules, they practice. Its just too bad some of those bullets didn't ricochet and kill some of those Taliban bastards.

If you read more on this story you find that the woman had been involved with (possibly raped by) two Taliban commanders who then got into it. The answer? Shoot the woman and then be friends again. This is fundamentalist Islam at it's classic best (or worst). This is the thinking that brought down the towers and blows up innocents in the markets. This is the thinking that wants to go mainstream and bring its form of "government" to Europe and the US. And if we don't all wake up from our politically correct slumber, it will happen. THese people get what they want by being violent, and if we think we can stop the violence by appeasing them and catering to them, we are only playing into their hands.

Sorry to be so blunt folks, but it's gotta be them or us.

Why are we there?

Where have you been, a cave? You might remember some people flying planes into our buildings killing thousands of people and EVERYONE in America wanting us to do something about, including bombing Afghanistan. You might remember the horrible stories of how people especially women were being treated and how we are trying to help make it better, not fix it, make it better. Maybe the better question is why are we STILL there? We have given them ever chance to make a better life for themselves, if they don't won't to take advantage of it that's on them.

Roy-

Try to stick with the topic at hand. I could say all you look for is another tax cut.

BTW, Roy, what is this poor uneducated women supposed to do to "take advantage' as you say, of us tearing down the country ? Is she supposed to drive away in her non-existant car ? Obama even said he doesn't care about "secondary considerations' as he terms women and children.

Don't you get it yet Roy ? WE HAVE OVER 500 MILITARY BASES IN AFGHANISTAN.

They do not exist to help the Afghanis !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'd like to know what was done with the male who took part in the act of adultery. Was he also killed ?

""After 10 years (of foreign intervention), and only a few kilometres from Kabul... how could this happen in front of all these people?" female lawmaker Fawzia Koofi told Reuters after watching a video of the public execution."

What are the uses of Afghan wars with many soldiers injured and dead and huge monies sunk?

Either fight the battles all out or just get out!

Also don't get involved in Syria, Iran and other places! Let them handle their problems themselves!

About the article itself, it certainly is a shame and the US had a great opportunity in the 80's to help this country and we stopped short without broad international support and without the desire for what, at the time, was a fairly small expense.

We are paying a higher cost now and that is generous of us, but paying the bill alone will not fix this. Allowing the Afghan government to stand-up and gain support and control will help but unfortunately only time can fix the ignorance of the people, only time can pass an ignorant generation and lessen the ignorance of the next. Thank goodness we are largely past this darkness in the US but we are certainly a long way off from perfection ourselves.

flash: I think you better check your compass! This is not, I repeat, not BHO's war. In case you aren't aware of it your boy GWB started this mess and didn't have the nuts to finish it.

If we think for one minute we can change these people and the way they have done things for centuries, we are as crazy as GWB for starting this thing in the first place. It's time we packed up our troops and our money and got the hell outta town.

"Enterprise to Flash8 Enterprise to Flash8 -It's no good captain he's in an alternate universe. He's tooo far out. Nobody can reach him."

Time to go Wyatt Earp on their a$$es and kill every Taliban member on sight...no questions asked, just a swift death..."I see a red sash, I kill the man wearing it!" -Earp, in "Tombstone"

John, since you seem to have forgotten, Al Queda started this war when they flew planes into the twin towers and murdered 2000 people. This has nothing to do with who was President at the time. Gotta love people like you

wlee, I haven't forgotten a thing. I was merely point out to flash that GWB was president when this thing started and not BHO. If we have to blame a president then we must lay it squarely at GWB's feet. It is a hell of a price to pay just to appease one man's ego.

This is sick and appalling. Unfortunately I think it further shows just how backwards and ingrained this thinking is in this culture. Lost cause? Looking more like it.

I don't want to fall into the trap of stereotyping and throwing all in the same basket with the other bad apples but this crap is getting old. Where are all the mainstream and moderate muslims outcry? We burn some korans by accident (just a book, nothing more, faith isn't locked into that book mind you, its in the person, heck this was more like idolizing, isn't that wrong for them too? You know like Christians have a cross, maybe I'm wrong), that they (POW's) defaced by writing in them (thought you weren't supposed to do that) and there are flag burnings and large protests in the streets. A woman is murdered in cold blood and what? A few strong words. All while the two men who were also part of it (at least one of them was sleeping with her and shouldn't have been and had to of known she was married, so why is only the woman to blame? Oh yeah she probably seduced him because even though the man in this culture is so great and powerful he is also weak at the same time??) go on free with no consequences (so far at least but maybe that will change, however not holding my breath).

Like others said, unless these groups actually look inside themselves and decide they need to make a change (go thru enlightenment like Judaism and Christianity, the other two main religions, did in the Renaissance; save the other religious comments, don't want to hear them) and enter the 21st century then I don't see much hope for these people. Which is sad to say the least. Maybe some day, maybe.

To me this is all the better reason to do whatever we can to continue improving our technology to make any resources this hell hole has to offer of no value to us. That goes for the entire middle east. Leave them to their own devices and if they want to stay in the middle ages fine, let em. The rest of the world can move on without them. If and when they decide to change then fine, welcome back. If it doesn't happen then when the rest of the world has most of their problems solved we can come back as a unified group and then look at bringing them into this century.

At any rate, this is disgusting and I do hope something to change this and keep it from happening again actually comes about.

It is time

Captain Steve said:

Taliban is not religion so don't blame religion. It's an excuse for psychopaths and sociopaths and those who can organize them to do their evil deeds. It is the nature of lawlessness.

It's what you do that matters, not whose name you do it in. If someone wants to kill another they will find a reason. Religion is just a crutch, a prop, a front to say 'this is why I am doing such-and-so'. So is race.

The Greco-Roman pantheon practitioners persecuted and martyred early Christians just because they didn't like them. Had nothing to do with their polytheistic religion and a lot to do with keeping conquered people under control.

The Christians persecuted witches because they were afraid that these people practiced something different, not necessarily because Craft is 'wrong'. Exorcisms practiced by the Church are little more than ecclesiastical magic and a lot of the ritual and principles are based on the old pagan rituals for cleansing houses and persons.

In Germany in the late 30's Hitler was trying to inspire some fervor in the German people and revive the economy. So by marginalizing and declaring illegal first the Jews, then other minorities, he gave the German people a scapegoat to blame their problems on (if the Jews were not here we wouldn't have these problems) and used Christianity as a crutch to support his campaign. By using media and propaganda he got rules and laws passed requiring registration and paperwork for that marginalized group, then hauled off to deportation camps those who were deemed 'illegal' (the undocumented that didn't have papers.) When they started running out of Jews to keep the racket going, they included other minorities and anyone who didn't fit in with what they believed a 'legal German/Aryan' should look like.

World human rights organizations estimate that only about 30% of Afghanis can actually read, even in their own language. Given that fact, is it any wonder that the people blindly follow whatever the imam/priest/flavor-of-the-month says? They live hard lives and look for meaning outside of themselves so its easy to fall under the sway of a charismatic religious leader. For example--nowhere in the Qu'ran is there a mention of 72 virgins being awarded to one who martyrs themselves--this is something created by a religious leader to keep the people in line. One of the things that the US is doing at the moment is opening schools and teaching these people to read--once they can read for themselves what their holy book actually says there will be a lot less followers of the Taliban because the stuff they SAY is in the Qu'ran...isn't.

No matter who you are or what belief system you subscribe to, there is always going to be someone who cherry picks what makes sense to them and tries to impose that belief on someone else. It's not specific to any one religion, it's not even confined to religion.People who don't believe in anyone/anything will still use their unbelief as a reason to impose their will others.

So in the end, it really is what you do that matters, not whose Name you do it in.

Islamist group dictates law close to the Afghan capital

Egypt's President, who happens to be an Islamist, will be in our White House in Sept.

*George Washington shakes head in disbelief*

Which ever paid hack is posting for Roy Wilson is truly an idiot. Roy I guess if the Heritage Foundation decided to execute women who had abortions you would be OK with that? Luckily we don't have to worry about your kind ever controlling this Country again. Just to many rational people to let that happen.

Yes, organized religion of all shades is pathologically dangerous.

Organized religion has nothing to do with spirituality and is based upon insidious falsehoods.

Tax all "religions!"

Filthy Cowards!

The Religion of Peace Strikes again

How Pathetic

How Evil

latekate

In a parallel universe somewhere there is a Taliban man getting his nuts hacked off while a hundred women cheer.

You left out: ....then shot beginning from the feet & ankles to the knees, to the hands, arms, then finish him off with a shot to the head.

This woman's death does make me think of the Salem Witch Trials or the Inquisition - where the accusers didn't have to have a lot of proof to find one guilty and then execute that person in the most horrible way possible.

Wasn't too far in America's past that we punished adulterers in similar ways. We found a way to get over this - in time.

concernedone - there was never a time in American history that adulterers were shot or stoned to death, nor did we ever hang people for this "crime". However the ancestors of people who settled this country prosecuted adultery back in Europe and the other countries from which they came is insignificant because that is not a part of the history of America. Go back to school or read a book and learn some American history.

Our fore fathers, knew what it tokk and for grnerations we understood it.

commonsensedude - spell-check...priceless.

And now come the Afghan rag-top who was committing adultery with her wasn't executed in the same fashion at the same time and place?

Horrifying video. Sick and perverted SOB's. I can't see how a religion (Islam) can profess taking a life like this or what kind of God would preach this punishment. These people will never get out of the stone age! It's a religion that needs to be cleansed from this earth!

Those that claim religion is at the heart of this are wrong. These people are not Muslims any more than Jim Jones was a Christian. The men who cheered this atrocity are cowardly cockroaches who profess to justify their actions by claiming a belief in Allah. It is up to the Afghani's to root out this evil in their midst. Just as it up to Americans to root out the racism and bigotry in our culture. Good people everywhere must take a stand against the evil other men do. Hopefully this woman's death will create enough revulsion and motivation for decent Muslims and Afghani's to squash these murderous cockroaches.

John Skaggs You must deal with selective memory problems. I think it was a matter of three airliners crashing into the twin towers, the pentagon and another aircraft in a field in Pennsylvania, killing over 3000 innocent civilians that got us into these wars dude. Maybe you need to concentrate more on your history lessons then squirting out blame from that mouth of yours!

Hillary tells the World, NATO/and the US have now become Allies with Afghanistan just days ago..

That means NATO/US endorses Executions of all people there--for what reason?

Karzai. Where is he to denounce this woman's death by Islamists.

The Afghanistan Propaganda by the US Government is transparent.

We do not need them. That as well means, the US endorses the Taliban and their barbaric ways.

I'm betting that killings like this happen every day over there. This one just happened to get caught on video.

CoRavens Fan:

They love killing each other. Tribal Mentality. Why is the US still fighting for them?

What does the US need from Afghanistan. They are Murderers, Terrorists, hating the US Military Armed Forces being there. We are in their way of the Evil they commit on each other.

Maybe this woman was just a target for their own pleasure--to murder again. Value Human Life?. What a joke.

Yes, organized religion of all shades is

Yes, organized religion of all shades is pathologically dangerous.

Organized religion has nothing to do with spirituality and is based upon insidious falsehoods.

Tax all "religions!"

Organized religion has nothing to do with spirituality and is based upon insidious falsehoods.

Tax all "religions!"

Well your an idiot. "Pathologically dangerous"??? I can see how the Salvation Army, your local food drives, and all those Christian funded hospitals are "Pathological". (Sarcasm Alert)

Organized religions are made up of people, people are flawed therefore the organizations they make up are usually flawed as well, but most do a very good job and are a net benefit for our community and society. "Based on falsehoods" is completely your opinion, which you are entitled to but means nothing.

Tax all "religions!" - This is by far the dumbest thing you said. Since most religions and their organizations are "not for profit" organizations that give millions and billions to charities and service around the world, "taxing religion" as you say would directly affect money that goes to the poor and needy. You are basically saying we should tax charity which is despicable.

I think people like you should be taxed and then taxed again. You are quick to hate, judge, and ask for punishment and taxes on others but always seem to avoid looking in the mirror. I say we should tax and judge you until you take that look in the mirror.

Njofaustintx; my memory is just fine DUDE! I say again, I was merely pointing out to flash who said this was BHO's war that it is in fact GWB's war. What part of that did you not understand? 5 TRILLION dollars and several thousand lives later, we are still in it. Was that in simple enough terms for you to understand it?

ABCzyx - Thanks. I read something and found out I was right & you were wrong... Here is one piece of a story from USA Today:

When the Puritans came to this land, they left a country where the English treated adultery as largely a civil and personal matter. The Puritans wanted to create a society where moral dictates were enforced by harsh corporal punishments.

Nathaniel Hawthorne's The Scarlet Letteraccurately portrayed colonial America under such criminal laws enforcing religious values. There was extensive entanglement between church and state, with adulterers punished for their immorality. In 1644, Mary Latham and James Britton were hanged for their adultery in Massachusetts.

Ironically, England at the time was far more tolerant of adultery as a personal matter. Most of these early laws were framed in sexist terms: protecting a husband's exclusive "rights" over his wife as virtual property. Besides death, other punishments included branding, whipping and a variety of shaming punishments.

Here is the link if you want to read. If you google what you said, you will see what I said was accurate. I was shocked when researching how many laws still exist regarding adultery. The USA Today story brings it all together nicely:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/forum/2010-04-26-column26_ST_N.htm

Tax all "religions."

They are dangerous and maliciously deceive their ignorant followers.

Shame on religion.

ABCzyz said:

concernedone - there was never a time in American history that adulterers were shot or stoned to death, nor did we ever hang people for this "crime". However the ancestors of people who settled this country prosecuted adultery back in Europe and the other countries from which they came is insignificant because that is not a part of the history of America.

No, they weren't shot or stoned; they were shunned. Marked as adulterers, the people of the town would not speak to or have any dealings with the accused, could refuse to sell them food or help if their houses burned etc, essentially making that person 'dead' to the people around them. And it did happen in the colonies--didn't you ever read Nathaniel Hawthorne's 'The Scarlet Letter'? If you haven't, I recommend you do.

Never stop asking Questions said:

Tax all "religions."

They are dangerous and maliciously deceive their ignorant followers.

I'll refer you what I said in post 1.43 above:

No matter who you are or what belief system you subscribe to, there is always going to be someone who cherry picks what makes sense to them and tries to impose that belief on someone else.

It's not specific to any one religion. It's not even confined to religion. People who don't believe in anyone/anything will still use their unbelief as a reason to impose their will others.

It's what you do that matters, not whose Name you do it in.

Kevin Offsite. Why do you think we do not have to worry about it not happening again here in the United States. it has already started. Go back and google all you can on the abortion movement. Especially Georgia and her sick representatives.

Upset in Ohio-1217578 This is shameful and horrible. Yes, they are cowards and I believe it's time that they try to join us in the 21st century!

For these lands, a transition to modern times is virtually nil.

Unfortunately, they are locked in 12th century backwardness and 10th century insanity.

Amanda:

Excellent response to Never Stop Asking Questions..

Marchant – Here are a few questions: What about the Afghan men who participated in the adultery that led to this woman's execution? Do they get a free ride, so to speak? Or, are they held accountable in some way?

Islamic justice appears to lack equality. I believe that all of the men who committed adultery with that woman should face the exact same justice.

With a tremendous cost of lives and rubles, the Soviet Union tried to drag Afghanistan into the 20th century, and failed. The United States and allies decided, “We can get the job done!” So far, that task and effort to drag Afghanistan into the 21st century is a very big failure.

Afghanistan is a 15th century feudal society, and only the people of Afghanistan can change that. When the people have had enough of something, they will take action to make changes. Sometimes, that takes a tad longer than expected by others and outsiders.

The people on this tape are not religious. I guess someone has to tell the bigot atheists here, Jesus was hardly pro execution for adulterers...

WhistleBerries-

Afghanistan is a 15th century feudal society, and only the people of Afghanistan can change that. When the people have had enough of something, they will take action to make changes. Sometimes, that takes a tad longer than expected by others and outsiders.

I agree with this statement. But I also feel the people will be better able to make the decision for change if they know what the rest of the world is doing. When the allies leave, the influence leaves. Being in the country gives us the ability to be a witness to the people there. If all they know is what their leaders tell them, how will the people ever know what other options they have?

concernedone

I've been there and these people are barely out of the stone age. Fire was a great invention form them.

If YOU want to teach them how to be civil, go yourself and give it a shot.

Hitler was civilized compared to a great number of these barbarians.

XDm9mm - Thank you for your service.

What was your mission? What is the mission of the US military in Afg? This mess won't be settled in my lifetime. It will literally take decades. LONG after our mission has ended there! But you planted important seeds with your being there. Don't sell yourself or the mission short.

You remember how Germany, Japan, and Italy used to be? They were transformed! I have faith Afg will transform as well - as long as we keep some form of influence in the region. Otherwise, we just get out and leave them in the 15th century FOREVER. They need us. The innocents like the woman in this story need us. Otherwise, 500 years from now, they will still be killing each other. The circle cannot be broken without intervention!

I have never been to Afg, and I will guarantee the US military wouldn't want me there for many reasons. But I have been involved in groups in Kenya, Rwanda, Turkey, Thailand, India, Honduras, Ecuador, etc... The world will never change overnight, but it can and will change. The oppressed people of Afg need us, too.

The US military is doing something necessary today that might not come full circle for a long time. I will continue to support them in their mission.

You people can't go one day without collapsing me, and I have been nothing but nice.

Has Hillary apologized to the Taliban for this yet?

Spellchecker are you pissing off the easily offended again?

I don't see how a woman could be accused of adultery without being involved either with another woman or a man. So why only this one woman punished?

The Taliban thinking a woman is responsible for adultery and the man is not, is no more stupid than thinking a woman that wore a short skirt and got raped was asking for it.

Both lines of thinking come from animals not yet evolved to the level of human.

More kindness and humanitarian behavior from the peace loving Muslims. Islam is such a sham... just a cover up for religious control of people's lives... kind of like a socialist government all wrapped in the cloak of a belief in god...

This is the thinking that brought down the towers and blows up innocents in the markets. This is the thinking that wants to go mainstream and bring its form of "government" to Europe and the US. And if we don't all wake up from our politically correct slumber, it will happen. THese people get what they want by being violent, and if we think we can stop the violence by appeasing them and catering to them, we are only playing into their hands.

Sorry to be so blunt folks, but it's gotta be them or us.

Exactly right, Bruce. Either go in and wipe these mutts off the face of the planet or get the f*ck out. One or the other. Fighting them can't be done half a$$ed.

WhistleBerries:

I think you are commenting to the wrong person--look over the comments again from everyone. I never said anything about the men in Afghanistan--- rotten to the core. The Adulterous men?---nothing ever happens to them.

The comments made to me are very convoluted. Try again.

@Gtouch,

You see what happens when I try to be nice? There's no pleasing them. When I make jokes and insult them, they love it and vote me up. Show your nice side and you're screwed.

I've said it before, so I guess I can say it again.....when people copulate with camels and goats, you end up with Taliban (how else could you explain people like them existing and acting they way they do).

This is the same country that our president just granted favorable trading status to. I find it amazing that Obama or any leader in the US would find this government friendly towards us when they along with Pakistan have repeatedly shown us again and again that we are nothing more to them then a pay check. Pull out, arm both sides and let them kill each other then come in when everyone that can fight are dead and we have not got all the problems.

What I don't understand is why the citizens of these countries don't root out and kill every member of the Taliban that they can find.
And don't give me that crap about "they all agree with the Taliban" because it isn't true.

What makes you think it's not true?

Take note, this is the face of good ol' 'peaceful' Islam....

freakin BARBARIANS, their DESTINY is to forever live in caves and throw virgins into a volcano. Civilization is WASTED on some people!!!!

Captain Steve, you are an apologist for a religion that perpetrates violence against women and the rape of underage girls. If these heinous acts were perpetrated by Christians I doubt you would be so understanding. Those animals will be happy when sharia law is also practiced here in the US. I sincerely hope that you don't have daughters.

Oh jeez...its those Religeon of Peace folks again...killing babies and drinking blood or some other such act of "peace".....

Walt-1512874: YOU ARE A CYNIC! We don't broadcast executions on live t.v. because it transforms an act of carrying out the law into a vulgar display of barbarism. I'm pretty sure that most all the folks on the vine are well aware of the killings around the world that resemble this, this killing is "special" because not only did a crowd of monkeys in people clothes gather around and cheer, they FILMED IT.

It's hard to explain why but your comment is so rude, crude and ignorant that it actually makes me angry. What if this was someone you knew? The execution is horrific enough, now imagine it being filmed for all to see. Special enough for you?

As always, my statements are MHO.

Walt, I guess you can call me a cynic as well, but for different reasons. This smacks of conspiracy to me. The Taliban have always admitted they have done these things in the past, they do not see what they're doing as wrong, so have no reason not to admit they have killed "an adulterer." For them to deny that they had part in this makes me actually inclined to believe them, and me thinks it could be a ploy by the Afghan government to erode the Taliban's support in the area. The fact that it happened on the day of a US/Japanese led fund raiser also makes me hesitate to lay this one on the Taliban. I could be way off base here, but just seems a little off to me. A tragedy either way, poor woman.

Afghanistan has been this way for at least 4000 years... their resilience in the face of occupation in really remarkable... they fundamentally live the same way they did back then.... the only force to even remotely keep them under control for any length of time was Alexander the Great.

It definitely is a propaganda effort, but whose side we'll probably never know.... We definitely had cause to invade, but sitting on them for a decade and attempting to turn them into a semi modern ally is a fools errand.. we are wasting a ton of money and lives trying to accomplish that. We should draw down forces significantly, give up on the hearts and minds effort, set up whatever bases we want to pressure Iran with, stick to those, fly a zillion drones, gather tons of intelligence, drop bombs on whomever looks suspicious and whatever terrorists / facilities show up, and use them as a base in case we have to do something about Iran's nukes.

Setting a goal of a organized pro western Afghanistan is a major mistake, because we will never get there. The goal should be enforcing our will and parking our bases there for 100 years and nothing else.

Similar or worse have been going on in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Afghanistan and other Muslim nations for long. In Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and some places, one can’t take videos of what is going on!

In some cases, money influence is so powerful that media won’t carry them even if they are given as they don’t want to “offend” their “ally” Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Kuwait, UAE or others!!

This incident is a big joke!!! The poor lady had adulterous relationships with the Islamic religious enforcers, Taliban commanders!

I did some further research on this incident...seems the charges of adultery on this woman were "trumped up charges". They said she was accused of having sexual relations with 2 taliban soldiers...she was raped by them. She was then tortured and finally executed in front of about 150 Taliban men, who then cheered with delight when she was killed. Bunch of backwards bastards! Why are we still in this barbaric country?

Sick, demented, twisted, cowardly psychopaths.

Where is this outrage? One person saying they are outraged isn't outrage. Remember the Koran burnings? That was Afghan outrage, there were protests, destruction and murder of innoncent people. You had Karzai makeing speeches denouncing the U.S and proclaiming that we were turning the people against us. There is not outrage here, the good Afghan people stood there and did nothing or even participated. Where's the public speech by Karzai declaring his disgust with the Taliban and the people who watched this happen? I'm outraged, by the act and also by our government that declares Afghanistan a major ally, and continues to put our troops in harms way, and pour trillions of dollars down this rat hole.

XDm9mm: Thanks for your service. :-)

Concernedone: Thanks also, for your service. :-)

Most of those killings you spoke of don't make it to Youtube, That's why all the outrage is around this particular time. Americans live in a different world than the Afghans and an ETERNITY farther away from the so-called "Afghan Mujahadeen" so this kind of thing isn't on our minds as much as it is for the people suffering through it and following it in the news through non-western news channels. That's why support for this war is down (not to mention the damage to our troops and treasure) even though this was actually the REAL response to the 9-11 attacks, not the Iraq debacle. We should've not gone to Iraq and maybe this would be farther along, but who can know that? I hope the local officials return the "favor" to the people responsible for this and show that they won't stand for this ridiculous backslide to their shameful, oppressive, and way-too-recent past.

totally agree! the religion of peace...what a bunch of scum bags

Yeah! She should be killed by AMERICAN bombs and bullets! USA! USA! USA!

(for the slow-witted and hysterics the above was satire)

You should never have to explain a joke; even stupid jokes with no discernible correlation to the posts to which they're attached. I understand, you view those who support war efforts in Afghanistan as village idiots blindly supporting an imperialistic nation (under the guise of patriotism) that has done more harm than good; it's a contrived view usually held by intellectually weak individuals, but I understand the thought process. What I don't understand is the sequence of thoughts that leads you to believe that the best place to your dissent and disgust with what I am assuming is your own country is an article that provides a perfect illustration of the backwards culture we are fighting against. It's a "Yeah, they suck but we suck worse and I want to talk about how much we suck," kind of weak ass joke. However, thank you for the explanation (this is sarcasm).

I still want to know why they did not execute the rag-topped guy who was allegedly boning her? It takes at least two to commit adultery.

ORB. I suppose you can "still want to know" but until you educate yourself (others cannot do it for you), you will always wonder. The woman is always at fault. Kinda like it is here with the Republican Taliban.

Slightlyold -

What are you talking about? First, in his own way I think ORB was just making it a point to condemn the pervasive mindset in that part of the world that insinuates it is ok to treat women like expendable livestock. You seemed to agree with him subsequent to deeming him uneducated; how ironically arrogant. It takes very little education to recognize women are treated as less than human in that culture. The last part of your post is just ill-conceived, partisan nonsense that just makes you appear spiteful and slightlyadolescent.

JQ 12261891: ORB made that point the first time he asked that question in a previous post on this 'vine', 'old was just recommending that he read up on it, since we all have Google and no longer have to camp in public libraries to read about Sharia Law and women's rights in Aghanistan, as well as how many of those untra-religious rules are shared by religious people in America who are mostly Republican and/or Libertarian in their political leanings. Even you must admit that it's almost exclusively a 'Republican thing' to try to tell women what to do with their bodies and whom they can do it with, yes? Yes.

No, see I think you're confused in your characterization of Republicans/conservatives (definitely libertarian). Either that or you're being intentionally manipulative in structuring your question. I don't think they necessarily wish to tell women what to do with their bodies but rather I believe they have an aversion to killing babies. I think it would not be a stretch to label absurd the notion that being pro-life is tantamount to supporting the firing-squad extermination of women alleged adulterous. Ultimately, you are right but let me recreate your sentence to make it more palatable for me personally. Even I must admit that it's almost exclusively a "Republican thing" to find killing babies detestable. See, we can agree on things; this country has a shot yet.

what dies she know? another low life politician

The women of Afghanistan should all flee / abandon the country. Leave the Taliban men alone so they can take turns butt raping each other, they don't deserve the wonder and joy a woman brings to one's life.

ajareins - The 'i' and the 'o' are next to each other on the keyboard...Which is it? :)

@KEA Exec Are we having a spelling Bee.:)

YES, and gave them $2-4 Billion dollars for their "Specialness". This Administration of Obama's is a total DISGRACE to humanity.

During first Iraqi war, Saddam over ran the brave Kuwaitis in one week.

The first thing the US soldiers did after liberating Kuwait was to fix the golden toilets of Kuwaiti ruler with 65 wives at one time!

Then the US stationed soldiers without Bibles in Saudi Arabia to guard the Saudi ruler with his 5000 princes and princesses. One good thing about these princes are that they have big harems of girls and women from all over the world!

Which are bigger jokes?

Not many women rights groups, human rights groups, UN and its agencies and others speak much!

Oh, oil is important and more important is the money thrown around by lobbyists!

This scene is replicated all over the world, even here in the US. Realize that women in this country did not have the right to vote until the mid 20s. Those accused of adultery and witchcraft, were jailed, drowned, hung or burned at the stake. Today, we have our own version, I call, America's Taliban; that are pandered to by some politicians, with attempts to pass legislative laws to placate the ignorance of their constituency, even though they are in violation of the Constitution. Organized religion is only as good as those who use it in a positive manner. When their interpretation of actual facts is colored by their own biased viewpoints in order to promote their own agendas; and, as a pretext to justify their own tyrannies, they are far from proper and should be discounted and discarded by those with something other, than cow dung between their ears. The best way of countering these stupid actions, is to round up ALL of those involved(in this case, all 150 who watched and cheered)and castrate them. Even the dumbest person, will soon understand that perhaps joining all those sopranos may not be the way to go. It should drop the 'macho' acts altogether, and give women more viable choices, without having to wait another 500 years.

NEA <><><><><>In context, both the "i" and the "o" work wonderfully well. But, my personal preference is for the "i." Leave it be! <><><><><><><><><> Live long and prosper !!!

$10 says she was actually shot because she REFUSED to commit adultery with one of those responsible for her murder.

He was a Taliban member.

Where was the man? What a coward, if she committed adultery it was probably because she was being beaten at home and needed the comfort of a loving person.

another one down the tubes:

Munson-2:

Anyone else who hasn't used Google/the internet for what it was created (to learn):

In America, it "takes 2 to tango" because we keep Religion OUT of LAW. Read about the Afghan Taliban, Sharia law, Islamic law, Womens' rights in Islam, Womens' rights in Religion, abuses of Islam, etcetera.....you have google, use it to answer your own question(s).

Thank GOD your the village idiot and not everybody thinks like you.

@2012

and God made you an idiot. God's Will be done.

The invisible flying chipmunk diety is responsible for everything that happens. On Judgement Day He will punish all the evildoers with lightning bolts coming out of His chipmunk butt cheeks.

That is why a Atrocities are atrocities... Man did this not God.. Men do despicable and evil things but it is good to know that (as some men on the vine) can look at it for what it is and say Not Here... This is not rightL Man (equally) has ability to good AND/OR evil... I believe in God and the one thing God did for me is he freed me from sin but he left me the power of choice. That has never left.

Some here can blame man so easily when it comes to Global Warming but you blame God for the evil caused in this world because it easy and God wont' complain. These are evil men who did this... not God.

wake up! there's no god. Get past it and live a moral life.

Fred Phelps? Is that you?

I think the OP's statement kind of zinged over the heads of most of the posters here.

deeply religious people are dangerous to all they come in contact with,

The invisible flying chipmunk diety is responsible for everything that happens.

BLASPHEMY! he's a tree squirrel.

Amazing how many people will jump on 2012-3258364's back for saying the obvious. How can any thinking person (oops, that may be the qualifier!) give God credit for all the wonderful stuff that happens out there and not question how he 'allows' the awful events (of nature, for example - isn't he in charge that too?) or the evil that occurs such as this story describes? After all, we humans are capable of the best as well as the most heinous of actions. That the Abrahamic religions (that would be Judism, Islam, and Christianity) are responsible for an apalling history of killing in the name of their religions must make God (if he does indeed exist) very sad.

The God of Abraham would kill all the first-born sons to teach them a lesson. No one listens to God anymore, pity.

@Athena.... Umm the Bible does not mention God saying "kill all the first born". Show me a scripture pointing to this?

To others who care to comment. God set this world in motion... and the Laws of Physics that govern it. So when it rains and we both stand in it... I can pray all I want to "Stay Dry"... I guarantee that we will both get wet. If (I a Christian) was to jump of a building with an atheist... I know that both of us will fall at the same rate and hit the ground at the same time (Just like Newton predicted.). It does not matter my religious affiliation. The "bullet" is just as damaging to me as to anyone else. God did not pull the trigger.. man did. If I make a decision based on God then no matter the outcome I did it.. not God.

"Blaming God" is not taking personal account. I (a Christian) have been taught to take personal account. (The very reason for my conversion) If I do ANYTHING (including what I type) whether for God or for self... I did it and God (and man) WILL hold me personally accountable... REAL Christians don't use God as an excuse but RELY on God for our lives... a very distinct difference. I'm saved from sin... not responsibility. God may "remember my sins no more" but I do... Man will still hold me accountable:

Judge: I'll ask you again... Did YOU do such and such?

Me: (I can give all the flowery, religious responses I want but I have to answer.) Yes sir, I did do such and such.

Judge: Then the court finds you guilty.

Simple as that... so escapism, excuses, or rebuttal. When a Christian gets saved... Old ways are gone new begins... sinning stops and life starts but that does not negate Jesus words:

"Pick up your Cross and follow Me." "Cross" means YOUR responsibility as a Parent, Citizen, Neighbor, Viner ;) , Christian.

(now If any can show me How the "great tree squirrel or spaghetti monster" or atheist for that matter, inspire men to feed and house the poor, start organizations like Salvation Army, Red Cross, to name a few and send missionaries to other countries...... then your argument will have validity.)

Flame77-7:

The thousands of wizards (priests, pastors, whatever) and billions of parishoners who have put up with the systematic oppression of women throughout the history of religion, the systemic physical/sexual abuse of children, the systemic political power grabbing from governments, the breaking up of families (cutting off all contact with any member(s) who quit the religion), the fleecing of it's followers, and the elevation of zealots to their highest ranks and the continuous opression of and murder of gays, other religious followers, heads of state and innocent bystanders wih whom they disagree is who you should be speaking out against. There is no chance that your admonishment of Atheists will make them believe in Space Gods but if you were to speak against extremist, the outrageous human rights abuses of your religion, AS AN INSIDER you could help put an end to it, don't you think? That would be a much better use of your time than defending your right to religion and justifying the abuses when your religion is in no danger but IS in fact, a source of danger to other free thinking people.

Matthew 7:5 says:

"Thou hypocrite, first cast the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote of thy brother's eye"

I'm just saying you might have a little more credibility with your fellow followers criticizing your own group's known problems than you will justifying those problems with the people who require EVIDENCE that god created (particle physics, gravity) everything.

Just a suggestion.

I grew up Catholic so I do understand why some are drawn to religion...frankly, I have grown to have problems with a lot of it...but I do respect others' beliefs. But it is truly hilarious when a few people use sarcasm to share their views and others call them village idiots. What would make me a village idiot is believing in a character from a book then condemning others when they do not believe along side me. Seriously, you can believe whatever you wish...but the second you call someone out because they think differently than you destroys any credibility you might have. Why? If there is a God, the last thing he would ever do is condemn someone and belittle them---even if they didn't believe in him. That special little book says just that and yet---I will never get this one---many more religious people seem to be driven by hate than those who do not believe.

That special little book says just that and yet---I will never get this one---many more religious people seem to be driven by hate than those who do not believe.

Muslims believe in God...just not the one you may believe in....

Funny how some people think that only organised religion is to blame for everything. These men kill women for there own ego and power. FEAR is there religion. What they preach is simple FEAR ME! Not God or Allah. Fear ME! Do as I say or you will die. Religion is a vehicle. Some people drink and drive and some even use their car to get away from some horrible crime they have just committed. Most simply use their car to go from one place to another. Religion is the vehicle you are the driver. Me I believe my religion is the longest lasting most reliable vehicle to get me from here to heaven. You may think yours is . You are welcome to try it out and see. Some folks don't think they need religion of any kind. They think its bad for the environment or that it is dangerous. They are welcome to walk. People die in car crashes every day . Should we all walk? It would be safer and better for the environment. Or we could all ride camels or donkeys or bikes. OR we could all ride the vehicle of our choice and take the personal responsibility that comes with the choice. As long as we respect the rest of the travelers but hay if you are going to walk do you mind staying out of the middle of the road the rest of us have someplace to go. Or better yet hop in and come along for the ride.

another one down the tubes. don't call people idiot until you understand the difference between you and you're.

you are right kate

Excuse me, but we invaded Afghanistan to get Al Quaeda. The Taliban was just in the way. Some places are used to fighting wars for 40, 50, or 70 years. Personally I don't like suits sticking there noses in and saying you can't do this and you can't do that because they are talking. Bull, that is the time to keep the pressure up. This may be old fashioned but I believe in having clearly defined fronts, but that's not how they do it anymore. Outside of your opening sentance I agree with you.

These atrosities have been going on all along. So why make a video and release it at this point in time. Is the Taliban trying to invite us to stay a little longer. What about the cheering section, there were several of them and seamed to be unarmed. Were they coersed into cheering? A few nuts with AK47s can make a large groupe do their bidding easily. Were the Taliban sending a message to Afghanistan that when we come back this is what to expect. Sad that woman was killed but what is their intent here. I view it as a way to play on American Setiments for starters.

Alexander the Great, Ghengis Khan, Timur, Mughal, the British Empire, Russia.......this is a list of some of the notables that have tried to invade Afghanistan.

Key word here being, "tried".

Afghanistan is a geological fortress. A fortress filled with caves and a primative culture that has learned not only to survive, but to thrive in this hostile environment.

Even Russia admitted that they knew when to withdraw....because it was bankrupting their country. Are we so cocky and arrogant to think that we can make a change here, or do we just think that we can keep throwing money at it, and hope for a different result? (Even though we went in not as "conquers", but as "liberators",) I don't believe our results will be any different.

The Afghan government seems to be impotent in this matter, (or whatever reason.) Strong words, but where are the results?

Maybe our government has intel that we are not privy to....so I won't speculate on why, (aside from the vantage point of keeping an eye on the "neighbors") we are still there.

For the money we have spent on this military action, we could have spent on purchasing enough oil to last for a very long time. Aside from all the oil being produced right here on our own American continent...(North and South America)

I have nothing but compassion and sympathy for those who are defensless, and are persecuted in any place....but IMHO, we don't have a prayer of making any changes here. The best we can do is try to offer asylum to those women and children who can make it to our troops for refuge...then get out.

I agree with you Pam except for ONE detail: Afghanistan has little/no oil that has ever been accessed, Iraq was about oil. Bush went after Iraq using outrage over 9-11 and his Administration's lies as reason. Afghanistan was actually the war against terrorism since Bin Laden was in that country and I guarantee that if Bush hadn't let Bin Laden escape when we had him cornered in '03 (or was it 02?), we'd probably be out of there by now. Besides that, everything you said was right-on.

farideh, i haven't seen much of you lately and it's so good to see your comments. ☺

A few nuts with AK47s can make a large groupe do their bidding easily.

The Taliban is larger than just a few nuts with AK47s...and they are supported by the Afghanistan government...

I agree. These 'freaks' (and that would be calling all freaks out there a bad name) need to go away. If all the women rose up and decided WE are not going to take it any more; it just might be a better place.

PS: ZZ Top rocks!

problem is you keep letting them emigrate to usa and rest of western europe where they dont belong

"Everybody's crazy about a sheet-dressed man..."?! Not! Leave ZZ Top out of this!

Right, sorry.

Eh. Mediocre pop rock band.

Mediocre? Are you insane?

Am I being too polite?

OK. A rather crappy pop rock radio band whose every song sounds alike. Bland.

Mediocre is being kind!

OK. A rather crappy pop rock radio band whose every song sounds alike. Bland.

Oh and what's better is some niche band (of pick your favorite genre) few listen to because you say they are better.

I happen to like ZZ top...but I make that statement with full disclosure. They have a few catchy tunes to listen to. Outside of that, they are unknown. Even mediocre acts can do better. And oddly, as Sane Central mentioned, their songs do sound alike. You would expect that to some extent with a band, but with ZZ Top, it was pretty obvious.

I think it's quite possible the Taliban didn't do it. It more likely is GOP operatives broadening the front in their War on Women!

yeah Afghanistan is known world-wide for its vast oil reserves. You voted for obama didn't you?

Places like Afghanistan, Somalia and Yemen are chosen because they are on the flanks of the oil producing regions (and thus have poor security), and have large, poor and disenfranchised populations that are ripe for being infiltrated by Islamic radical skum.

Hey proudamerican, are you one of those guys who think Bush had no ties to oil companies, Cheney no ties to Haliburton, and forgot that we all but left Afghanistan in 2003 and put all of our military resources into war in Iraq based on a lie about WMDs?

Are you one of those guys who forgot who actually ordered the assassination of OBL, the guy responsible for 9-11, that the guy YOU voted for forgot about? You're one of those people who will vote for Romney, aren't you, despite the clear fact that unless you are rich or a corporation, he is not looking out for your interest (don't bother to refute that, you know it's true. Go ahead and vote for him, see how much your life improves).

that was funny proud american

Hey atheist don't forget Billy Clinton not taking the shot at OBL when he had it well before 9/11 truth hurts!

These people had a stable democratic government before the US got involved, but it had Marxist leanings. The Soviets entered Afghanistan at the request of the government to fight off the CIA supported mujahideen.

@What a shame........Very true. Bill Clinton was a wussy. Same party...different men.

But, I seriously doubt you will hear about Pres. Obama being unfaithful to his wife, and (in case you missed it,) he didn't let OBL slip through HIS fingers.

Let's not compare the two.

He'll probably vote for Mitt Romney, all while conveniently overlooking the fact that the Mormon church also has a nasty habit of subjugating women.

Pam: Hi me again, ummmm, Bill Clinton fired missiles at an installation (that intelligence reported was) where Bin Laden was towards the end of his term when they'd thought they found him.

The lie that he let him go is a common lie by the Republicans, just them trying to pretend that Bush didn't ignore Bin Laden and basically let him attack America on 9-11, even though Clinton's people warned him and gave him all current intelligence on the guy. There was nothing Clinton could do that he didn't do, his 2nd term was over and we were rich and had a balanced budget so no American was thinking about terrorists.....certainly NOT Bush....they were starting an assault on our government's funding and decimating there future opponents which was (obviously) MUCH more important than taking seriously Clinton's intelligence breifing which said "Bin Laden was last seen (here) and he's DETERMINED to attack America, possibly using planes as missiles and likely aiming at American Icons like The World Trade Center or Golden Gate Bridge." Clinton did all he could. Documented too, BTW.

oops! I meant THEIR future opponents.

"Committed adultery".

Translation... "was raped".

If Sara Palin were VP, then this woman would not have been executed?

Another fine example of why we should bring back the draft. You don't have to like my line of thought but remember this you created it.

mugtech

Let me first say that I thought the Palin pick was bad in 2008 and she has done nothing to change my mind in the years since.

That said, I don't think she or Biden have as much to do with this as President Obama or a President McCain would have. And yes, I do think the war in Afghanistan would be/have been fought very different had McCain won.

its good to sea that someone else feels that something must actually be done but blowing up the country is a milion times more @!$%#ed up and evil than this video my advice buy a gun and go to afganistan or iran or whatever and START playing PUNISHER

That would be an interesting experiment.

Train the women instead of the men, and arm them to the teeth.

Replace Karzai with the biggest, meanest woman we can find.

Send them all chastity belts. The male version with an ED that bobitizes upon activation. After all it would be Allah's will.

That was Monica under the veil, Hillary can be heard cheering the loudest.

Actually, it would make a great strip mine. They do have a lot of minerals we could use.

This message is in reply to Concernedone comments: You can't help people to evolve like the Taliban if they are not willing to take the help.

We tried to wipe out the Taliban but evidently we failed. They live their lifes like cockroaches which makes it impossible to kill them all, recruiting quickly using other extremist, children and people who are scared to say no to them (Wouldn't you be).

What I don't understand is why the Afghans weren't organized and trained by our military to be able to continue to stand up to fight against them so they can live in a safer environment.

Which makes me think that there is so much more then going over to another country to fight in a war then blowing people up and shooting them. I wonder if our US military organized and trained the Afghans enough to be able to keep peace in their own country.

The USA has to follow through to set up an Afghan military, train them enough to be able to defend themselves against the Taliban before we pull out our troops. We surely had enough time to do this.

So that is what I think the missing piece was on our behalf. We needed to work with the Afghan people who are more opened to change and evolving.

That's because they have very little relevance except to serve as an example of how not to treat fellow humans.

The difference between Christians and Islamists is that the Christians stopped putting to death the adluterers. The other difference is that the male adulterer was also put to death. In the Islam, the male adulterer is not punished, only the woman. Only the woman was killed in that instance, what happened to the male ?

That's the law of Moses nimrod. That is not Christianity, trying looking at the new testament sometime instead of always jumping to the JEWISH LAW.

I suspect most Christians that bash Islam aren't aware of just how violent and insane their own religion also appears to be, based on their own text.

Funny how you atheists seem to be so fixated on the Old Testament- but I suppose it makes sense because during that epoch, God dealt with man on man's level in a very naturalistic sense, ie culling out bad genes through captial punishment in order to make the Hebrew tribes more cohesive and more likely to survive in a hostile environment (which is somewhat Darwinian, by the way). That's probably why Frederich Nietzsche was a proponent of the Old Testament over the New Testament though he was a professed atheist-- read "Beyond Good and Evil" and you will see this.

This continued hearkening to the Old Testament to discredit christianity is about as logical as discrediting modern medicine with it's antibitoics and modern medicines because physicians in the 16th century prescribed mercury and other deadly substances to cure syphilis and other maladies.

There was an evolution on how God dealt with man through the Old Testament, and later in the New Testament where He dealt with man on His level-- naturally they crucified him.

But to clarify the christian view of a adultery I offer you John 8 (KJV)- ..."He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her."

It's funny how christians will always throw out that the old testament should not be used as an example of christian belief when it is pointed out just how crazy and violent the bible is. But, they then turn around and use the same stupid book of leviticus as the reasoning for being a bigot in regards to homosexuality. Which is it christians? Are to beleive what it says in the old testament or not? Or do you want to just keep cherry picking?

rightwingscrewball: I'm not a liberal, a conservative, or a Christian, but it is at least nie to see that someone else gets it with regards to Islam.

Islam was pretty warlike and brutal from the beginning. Early Christianity had an emphasis on pacifism, and I think was corrupted when it became a Roman Empire-endorsed religion, codified and organized, and then further corrupted by contact with Islam's war of expansion.

Christianity can be thanked for the witch trials and the tens of thousands of women killed for being educated, midwifes or just plain heretics over the past few centuries.

And it was the Christians who hanged Mary Barrett for refusing to give up her religion of being a Quaker.

It is the conservatives, not the liberals, who are now leading the way to bring the Taliban against women to the United States. Just ask Cantor; Boehner, O'Connell, Governor of West Virginia, South Dakota, Missouri, Kansas, Pennsylvania, Florida, South Carolina, etc. Shame on all of you.

And, paganponder, it was Charlemagne, Holy Roman Empire, that brought such death and destruction. You seem to know more than I do about his contact with Islam, but he was a very hateful man. Reminds me of some of the leaders of today. Kill, Kill, Kill.

Jesus - he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Clearly your primitive, bigoted mind can't comprehend the lessons of religion, no more than the members of the Taliban...

I might also point out that you are referring to Jewish laws to proclaim that Christians are bad, when the Christian laws as evidenced by the words of the guy who gave the name to Christianity, Christ, in the same situation stopped people from stoning an adulteress...

I guess you are too stupid to know the difference between Jews and Christians, huh?

slightlyold:

Charlemagne, son of Charles Martel. Charles Martel was, in my honest opinion, one of the 10 greatest military leaders in history. He won the Battle of Tours against the Muslims who were invading France from Spain (which they had already conquered). He managed to defeat a Muslim cavalry force which had not known much of defeat, and with infantry not equipped with row after row of pikesmen. Then he adapted Muslim cavalry tactics and used them against the Muslims.

He may have saved Europe from being under Islamic rule and Sharia law today, with women being stoned or beheaded for adultery. We might be speaking Arabic, if not for Charles Martel. So if you want to know where Charlemagne got bloody-minded, he probably learned it from Dad, who had to deal with an Islamic invasion. He may have been "hateful" as you say, but he was as effective as an administrator as his father was as a general. His Dad was probably hardened from having to deal with Muslims who had nothing better to do with their time than invade and pillage Europe.

The majority of evil s**t that Christians did came after contact with Muslims.

And I'm a pagan who is often offended by Christian behavior (past and present)

Brian re post # 25. Good post. I was about to point out the same thing. Not clear to me why fundamentalist Christians are in love with Leviticus when it comes to homosexuality, but upset when the Taliban and/or Islamic fundamentalist just go a few verses down in Leviticus to justify their killing an accused adulterous woman. Like everyone else, I also can't figure out how the male adulterer(s) avoided punishment.

I beg to differ. OBL was our BFF, so much so that he help us defeat the Russians in Afghanistan. Second, have you already forgotten why Obama, republicans, teapartiers wanted to stay there also 100 years more? Just in case you forgot or are afflicted with selective Alzheimer's, here what the whole world already knows and it seems you didn't get the memo, here it goes: "Geologists working with the Pentagon have found vast reserves of untapped minerals in Afghanistan that could be worth $1 trillion, the New York Times reports."

So, debunking your one liner with the truth, how you like them apples. Remember that if it's oil, money, or deposing duly elected government we despise, we will be there before the first sneeze.

You need to do some fact checking. OBL was never involved with the US in Afghanistan. He formed his own private arab army and funded it.

Nevertheless, there is no reason to keep pouring money and blood into this mud hut mentality country.

According to the Times, bin Laden et al were CIA employees, given the best
training, arms, facilities, and lots of cash for many years. That's what the
Times reported on August 24, 1998.

In other articles during the same period, the Times reported that bin Laden
is a deadly enemy of the U.S. The Times skips over this amazing change lightly
in a couple of articles, commenting that the relationship changed, without
asking too many questions. In other words, once again, the government line is
accepted as self evident.

We gave them 6 Billion dollar and the best train the CIA had. If you follow the money bin Laden did not spend a nickel of his money. I remember think what the frack we are on the side that kills little girls for going to school. But Ronald said it was good.

I suppose you think your post is humorous. What a foolish, grotesque comment.