Three Americans killed as private jet crashes in southern France

Claude Paris / AP

Police Officers walk near the plane that crashed on landing at Le Castellet airport, near Toulon, southern France, Friday, July, 13, 2012. Three US citizens died in the accident.

Three Americans were killed Friday when a private jet crashed and burst into flames at the end of a runway in the south of France, police officials told NBC News.

The Americans formed the plane crew and no other passengers were on board, the Police Prefecture of Var told NBC.


The aircraft, a Mystere-Falcon 20, crashed at Castellet airport, between Marseille and Toulon, moments after the pilot signaled a problem at around 3 p.m. local time (9 a.m. EST), authorities said. The jet had departed from Nice, officials said.

The reason for the crash remained unclear.

French authorities have not released the identities of those killed in the accident, except to say that the 60-year-old pilot, 24-year-old co-pilot and 30-year-old flight attendant all died in the crash.

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Pilot Fatigue?

    Reply#1 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:58 AM EDT

    My thoughts are with the family. My father was an airline pilot and I oftened worried I would never see him again when he left for his trips. Fortunately he had 30+ flawless years.

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    #1.1 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:54 PM EDT

    My husband had 30 flawless years too. His 31st year, not so flawless.

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    #1.2 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:14 PM EDT

    Looks like left side thrust reverser is engaged, must have landed long and ran out of runway.

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    #1.3 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:44 PM EDT

    My condolences to the families and friends of the people aboard the aircraft!

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    #1.4 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:24 PM EDT

    You're right, Rick, the thrust reverser is engaged. So the question is, did he land long and run out of runway or did the braking system on the wheels fail? I would suspect he landed long and ran out of real estate before he could come to a complete stop.

      #1.5 - Sat Jul 14, 2012 10:40 AM EDT
      Comment author avatarRobert Rainesvia Facebook

      The Airframe in the picture does not look consistent with a Dassualt Mystere-Falcon 20: The tail is taller and the tail wings (Horizontal Stabilizers) are at the very top of the Vertical Stabilizer, and not mid tail like the Mystere Falcon- 20. It looks like a much bigger plane.

        #1.6 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:14 PM EDT
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        A flight attendant and no other passengers were on board?

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        Reply#2 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:57 PM EDT

        The return leg of a one way charter?

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        #2.1 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:11 PM EDT

        3 people died does it matter if a flight attendant and no other passengers were on board. RIP peace to the three victims!

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        #2.2 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:21 PM EDT
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        From the photo it looked like it flat stalled and landed almost flat on the ground.

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        Reply#3 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:07 PM EDT

        Ahh never mind, it looks like it ran along the ground for a while, thus the broken up fence.

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        #3.1 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:17 PM EDT

        Wow you can get all that from a single picture and a 127 word story Mr. Accident Investigator?

        I guess no one ever told you, that when an airplane crashes as a result of a "stall" there is typically a high angle impact?

        Keep your day job.

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        #3.2 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:52 PM EDT

        Notice the trees are just a little carved up?

          #3.3 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:58 PM EDT

          I believe the fence was taken down by the people trying to get to the plane and not the plane itself. It appears the deep cuts on the trees are from the wings that are no longer attached to the sides. So, common sense says the planes path came from that direction and not where the fence is down. Just my surmise from the photo.

            #3.4 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:35 PM EDT

            I'd like to see some photos from other angles. The trees & the plane look surprisingly intact. (....and NO...I WON'T quit MY day job either......Just making an observation...)

              #3.5 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:23 PM EDT

              If you look closer, you'll see a Gremlin on the right wing screwing up the plane...

                #3.6 - Tue Jul 17, 2012 12:45 PM EDT
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                If that is the real picture of the wreckage, it is NOT a Falcon 20. That appears to be a Gulfstream G-IV tail.

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                Reply#4 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:11 PM EDT

                I agree with you that it is a Gulfstream IV. Intake on the left side of the verticle stab and the strake running forward of the stab. The falcon has a mid t tail.

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                #4.1 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:06 PM EDT

                Definately not a Falcon. Best goes is a Gulfstream.

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                #4.2 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:13 PM EDT

                As an aircraft mechanic who works on these types of aircraft everyday, I can most assuredly tell you that the aircraft in the picture is deffinately a Gulfstream G-IV, not a Falcon 20. 1. Engines - those are Rolls-Royce Tay 611s one there with the thrust reverser buckets that Gulfstream used. Falcon 20s that aren't being used as freighters habe TF731s on them with a similar style, but different construction thrust reverser. 2. Tail - Gulfstream = T-Tail, Falcon = Cruciform Tail. 3. Overall size. The Gulfstream is roughly 3 times larger then a Falcon 20/200. Very top of the tail on a Gulfstream is approx. 30 feet up, on the Falcon it's more like 15 feet. When you're sitting on the top of the Gulfstream's tail, it sure feels alot higher! 4. Location- While not impossible, it is not very likely that an American crew would be flying a Falcon 20 in France, as a 20 wouldn't have the range to fly the pond without stopping at least twice for gas, and a G-IV can go from the US midwest to Europe non-stop without breaking a sweat.

                Way to fact check be for posting the story.

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                #4.3 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:42 PM EDT

                Yes it is a Gulfstream IV not a Dasssult. Universal Jet Aviation the owner confirmed this.

                  #4.4 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:51 PM EDT

                  I agree. The Falcons I have travelled in (only two times) the vertical stab was above the horizontal stabilizer forming a "t" not a "T" like this photo. GS 650 or 550?? The Citation 750 X mght be in the running.

                    #4.5 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:06 PM EDT

                    Yep Gulfstream IV....5 SOB and counting (Souls on Board)

                      #4.6 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:08 PM EDT

                      Glad I'm not the only one that noticed that. The reverse thrust bucket alone was the tip off. No other engine looks like the Rolls Royce Tay on a GIV and up. It almost looks too big for the aircraft.

                        #4.7 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:20 PM EDT
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                        Troy, Most likely the aircraft was returning to another airport after delivering passengers. That means the full crew returns with the aircraft. The larger luxury jets usually have flight attendants on board and this one was simply returning with the flight crew.

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                        Reply#5 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:47 PM EDT

                        I agree... From all the images, I've looked at, the Mystere-Falcon 20 has the horizontal stabilizer midway up the vertical stabilizer.... Another new article lists the aircraft as a Gulfstream IV

                          Reply#6 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:49 PM EDT

                          The plane is all in one piece and did not burn. Will someone who knows about this stuff speculate on why all three are dead. No seat belts?

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                          Reply#7 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:49 PM EDT

                          Look closer at the trees towards the front. Denuded of any leaves and all blackened. then look at the scars on the 3 trees to the right and you can see where the wing struck them. The aircraft appears to have sheared its wings and burst into flame.

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                          #7.1 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:11 PM EDT

                          Yeah Dog, if you look thru the left of the trees, you'll notice there's a lack of the foreward half of the fuselage.

                          Heavy rooted based fixed objects and structures verses aluminum tend to shorten your life span when they impact you at between 100-200mph.

                            #7.2 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:09 PM EDT

                            They died of auto-erotic suicide

                              #7.3 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:04 PM EDT
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                              Definitely not a Falcon. That is a Gulfstream GIV. The picture shows the TR's still deployed indicating it was definitely landing. So unfortunate for the families of the crew. My thoughts and prayers go with them.

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                              Reply#8 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:05 PM EDT

                              looks like the t/r deployed

                                Reply#9 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:19 PM EDT

                                @Big black dog- Seat belts at high speeds are a joke... They'll keep ya in your seat, but a quick stop will mess up your insides, and rattle the brain a bit.

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                                Reply#10 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:30 PM EDT

                                it seems that the tail section of even a small jet is the safety place..

                                  Reply#11 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:38 PM EDT

                                  MSNBC might want to fact check, even if solely to look at their competitor's news reports; it was most definitely a G-IV, N823GA. Not that the owners, operators or friends and family care but I think Dassault would greatly appreciate it.

                                    Reply#12 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:50 PM EDT

                                    How the heck did you find out the tail number? I don't see anything.

                                      #12.1 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:59 PM EDT
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                                      Comment author avatarCarl HubertExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                      Died among Frogs "Croak-Croak"

                                        Reply#13 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:06 PM EDT

                                        Please have a little respect. Three people died and their friends and family are mourning them.

                                          #13.1 - Sat Jul 14, 2012 7:46 AM EDT
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                                          @stjets

                                          You are correct, that is the tail of a G-IV. I have more than 1300 hrs in that GS type. This is very sad.

                                            Reply#14 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:36 PM EDT

                                            Another example of why all runways should have sand pits at the end of them.

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                                            Reply#15 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:02 PM EDT

                                            Uhm, there often isn't enough room at airports to spare another 500' off the end of the runway. Many airports were built long before the area around them developed and encroached right up to the fence. Look at Chicago's Midway for example. Every runway butts up against the street.

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                                            #15.1 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:12 PM EDT
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                                            Pilot reported a problem. The plane crashed. No I will take a boat,train or bus. With TSA squeezing my nuts before take off and the possibility of delays, poor service,and high priced tickets it really isn't worth flying any longer.

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                                            Reply#16 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:03 PM EDT

                                            Exactly. I figure if I can drive to my destination in 8 hours or less, I'm driving to avoid flying hassles. Now if gas shoots up to $5-7 or more per gallon due to Iran doing something stupid like blockading the Strait of Hormuz, well, that may change.

                                              #16.1 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:14 PM EDT

                                              Iran wont do anything stupid, america will by trying to get into the perisan gulf, the US will sink one of our old battleships and blame it on them. Thus the beginning of ww3

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                                              #16.2 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:46 PM EDT

                                              Iran wont be the stupid one. America will try to enter the persian gulf. US will sink one of its old useless battleship with nuclear reactors and blame it on iran. Thus beginnning of WW3 enjoy ur 5-7 dollar gas GO BIODIESEL

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                                              #16.3 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:51 PM EDT

                                              ThEg,

                                              All I can say is you are 100% correct.

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                                              #16.4 - Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:41 PM EDT
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                                              rip

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                                              Reply#17 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:03 PM EDT

                                              Go to Fox News...they checked the facts. It's a G IV...

                                                Reply#18 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:16 PM EDT

                                                Go to Fox News. Get brainwashed, or at least lied to.

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                                                #18.1 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:27 PM EDT
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                                                USA Today is saying the G4 "lost a wing" on approach. Highly doubtful, maybe "wing lift?".

                                                  Reply#19 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:19 PM EDT

                                                  Condolences to the crews' families....

                                                    Reply#20 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:32 PM EDT

                                                    Also looks like the reverse thrust buckets are deployed on the left engine. Is that possible or did the crash cause them to deploy?

                                                      Reply#21 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:47 PM EDT

                                                      I looked up the Mystere-Falcon 20 on Google and the pictures of the tail section don't like like the tail section of the picture posted with this article....could it be a different type of plane that crashed?

                                                      Ahhh, USA Today is reporting that it was a Gulfstream F4 that crashed....figures MSN would once again get it wrong...lol

                                                        Reply#22 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:12 PM EDT

                                                        Why would the t/r be closed?

                                                          Reply#23 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:54 PM EDT

                                                          naw. the thrust reverser is engaged, if that happend in flight thats the cause

                                                            Reply#24 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:32 PM EDT

                                                            I only see the port TR deployed. Is there any to know whether the starboard TR is deployed also?

                                                              Reply#25 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:28 PM EDT
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