US source: Syria moving chemical weapons stockpile

The latest massacre began with a military bombardment of the village of Tremsi. After the heavy artillery and shelling, villagers said pro-government militia men swept in to kill at close range. NBC's Richard Engel reports.

A U.S. official confirmed Friday that the Syrian regime has been moving elements of its chemical weapons stockpile in recent days, an action that has U.S. officials both concerned and perplexed.  

"We don't know why" they have begun moving chemical weapons from storage, the source said, refusing to speculate whether President Bashar Assad's regime could be preparing to use the weapons on the civilian uprising.

Asked whether there is concern that the weapons could fall into the hands of terrorists, the source said the United States still believes the chemical weapons are "secure" and under the control of the Assad regime.


Syrian Ali Bakran, an air conditioning repair man by trade, has turned into a militia commander to fight against the leader of his home country, Bashar al-Assad. After being fired upon while peacefully protesting, Bakran left his job and formed a citizen's militia. NBC News' Chief Foreign Correspondent Richard Engel journeys inside Syria.

Separately, Pentagon press secretary George Little said if the Assad regime were to use chemical weapons on civilians it would cross a "serious red line." 

"We would, of course, caution them strongly against any intention to use those weapons," Little said. 

More than 200 killed in Syria massacre, activists say

While details of Syria's stockpile of chemical weapons remains a mystery, the United States believes the regime has significant quantities of sarin nerve agent, mustard gas and cyanide.

Machine guns operated by motorcycle brakes? Get a glimpse at the rebels fighting against Assad's forces in Syria's mountainous Jabal al-Zawiya area.

 

Opposition activists said Friday that more than 200 Syrians were massacred in a village in the Hama region on Thursday in what could prove to be the worst single incident of violence in 16 months of conflict.

Clinton 'outraged' by new Syria massacre

Activists said the incident took place on the eve of the latest U.N. Security Council negotiations on a new resolution on Syria. The United States and its allies said it showed the need for tough action, but Russia ruled out accepting the latest draft.

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Where did they get chemical weapons? Remember the pictures of those trucks outside of the stockpile facilities in Iraq? Were the WMDs moved to Syria then?

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#1 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:55 PM EDT

I'd bet these weapons are from the old USSR, which supplied Syria with conventional weapons. Else, that's where they got the training and equipment to produce them locally.

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#1.1 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:09 PM EDT

It was well established that there were many trucks suspected of carrying chemical weapons and other WMDs seen leaving Iraq and heading into Syria right at the start of the second gulf war. This is something that the US media has consistently failed to report in their overpowering quest to make it look like Bush was lying and that these weapons were never in Iraq to start with. Maybe if more people stopped trusting just one source for their news and started watching international news programs they might get a more accurate picture of what is really going on in the world. Not that they are perfect, but I find that the BBC tends to give a far more balanced presentation than most other news sources and, particularly for those who do not speak another language, they are definitely a better option for international news than trust the US media.

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#1.2 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:23 PM EDT

This is something that the US media has consistently failed to report in their overpowering quest to make it look like Bush was lying and that these weapons were never in Iraq to start with.

So Bush didn't just say, "Syria has them?"

REALLY?

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#1.3 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:26 PM EDT

11B and JS are simply apologists for everything Bush and Cheney did.

Only Fox News watchers would actually believe this BS there were ever any WMD in Iraq.

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#1.4 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:36 PM EDT

WMDs include biological weapons which Saddam had and used. There is a question of nuclear weaponry that up to this point has been a "no". But even at a no, Saddam should have been removed. He was a mass murderer, genocidal, invaded two countries and threatened the world. The only good thing about him was that he counter balanced Iran.

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#1.5 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:48 PM EDT

There's nothing wrong with questioning the motives and profiteers of the 2nd Iraq invasion, but i am tired of the whining about "their were no WMD's in Iraq" !!

FACT: Saddam Hussein used the well known "WMD", Mustard Gas on the Iraqi Kurdish population, a popular chemical weapon used during WWI (Adolf Hitler was exposed to this chemical and probably increased his anger)

MUSTARD GAS IS A "WMD" PERIOD !!

Yes, Syria most likely bought tons of WMD's from Saddam Hussein at basement bargain prices, what a deal on chemical weapons !!

One drop not bigger than a pinhead of nerve gas on your skin will kill you slowly and painfully-

NERVE GAS IS A "WMD", SYRIA HAS "WMD"s !! This is a strong reason for direct international action immediate action, now !!

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#1.6 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:55 PM EDT
p.joshDeleted

The western history with Iran is a sorted one indeed.

Churchill and Eisenhower(yes Ike, look it up !!) signed off on the British monopolization of Iranian Oil

The west helped install a puppet dictator so as not to upset oil interests, at a time when Iran was having democratic elections

The west supported Iraq during the Iraq-Iran war

In 1979 the Iatollah Kholmeini (spell) came to power to take over the western puppet dictator and take control of Iranian oil interests/Islamic control

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#1.8 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:25 PM EDT

There are NO weapons! Its a false flag. Jesus, Havent we gone through this once or twice before? Turn off the frickin "news" and start researching... Damn Sheeple.

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#1.9 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:27 PM EDT

Syria has had their OWN wmd program for years.

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#1.10 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:28 PM EDT

There were videos of trucks leaving Iraq facilities towards Syria. This is what Colin Powell was talking about. And is why Congress (with both parties agreeing) voted for war against Iraq. The rest of the world joined in to go against Saddam. Once WMDs were not found (what a surprise, NOT) the world washed their hands and blamed everything on Bush.

And this was also the time Saddam did not let UN inspectors into Iraq. What do you think Iraq was doing all those months? Baking cookies? Open your eyes people.

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#1.11 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:29 PM EDT

One small correction about WMD in Iraq. The ace that Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld had up their sleeve was that NPIC had been tracking two vans for years and knew exactly where they were. These two vans were made by Bechtel, an American company, and had been sent, along with a pair of golden spurs, as a "birthday" present from Ronald Reagan to Sadaam Hussein. Don Rumsfeld was the courier and there are plenty of pictures of the meeting since it was not secret. The two trailers were to make sarin and a binary nerve gas of some kind. (Mustard gas is high school chemistry stuff. Cyanide is just a powdered form) So a SEAL team was assigned to capture the vans during the invasion. They did, but to their chagrin the corrosive nature of the chemicals and the age of the vans had caused them to be long ago re-purposed. One was converted to making hydrogen for weather balloons (using aluminum foil and acid) and the other was just stripped and was being used to store empty carboys and personnel records. And they never found the golden spurs either.

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#1.12 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:35 PM EDT

It's Deja Vu, all over again.....

The Clinton name is the one common thread anytime the term WMD's comes up...From President Bill, to Senator Hillary and now Secretary Of State Hillary.....I won't take up space, but will give the link to the Scope's page of All the Democrats statements on Iraq's WMD's, I'll just show 1 each of Bill and Hillary's.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp

"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat
Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use
them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all
those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." -- Bill
Clinton in 1998

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that
Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock,
his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid,
comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there
is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September
11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will
continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and
will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor,
he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as
we know all too well affects American security." -- Hillary Clinton, October 10,
2002

_____________________________________________

U.S. State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland, traveling with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in Phnom Penh, said "We repeatedly made it clear that the Syrian government has a responsibility to safeguard its stockpiles of chemical weapons."

She added that "the international community will hold accountable any Syrian officials who fail to meet that obligation."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/13/syria-chemical-weapons-arsenal_n_1670145.html

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#1.13 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:28 PM EDT

Hey Mike, where do you think the Clintons got their idea that there was WMD in Iraq? Do you think they made it up and the whole world ran with it? Clinton was told there were WMD in the PNAC Letter, sent to him in 1998 and signed by the neocon, Zionist, war mongers. PNAC was a right wing neoconservative "think tank", bent on using American power to facilitate regime change in Iraq. Hey, that is what they want to do in Syria and Iran.

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#1.14 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:02 PM EDT

RalphH...So what you are saying is a " right wing neoconservative "think tank", bent on using American power to facilitate regime change in Iraq. Hey, that is what they want to do in Syria and Iran."

And President Clinton fell for it ???....I'm just so certain he made these critical decisions because a " right wing neoconservative "think tank",told him to....

I think your tin-foil is showing...

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#1.15 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:22 PM EDT
Tom-631064Deleted

For all you so proud Yanks, who think their Government is and always has been so wonderful in times of it's invasions, just read about the continuing deaths from YOUR weapons of mass destruction use,

Agent Orange is still killing Vietnamese people today, Depleted Uranium has caused cancer clusters in iraq that is killing your Vets and innocent Iraqi's today also, so get off your high horses and admit the fact that your previous Governments are as guilty as any other.

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#1.17 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:57 PM EDT

StephenSargent....And ALL because we went to bail out countries that were invaded. If we hadn't, yours would be ruled by Hitler or a facsimile thereof. Next time we should just let your enemies take you over.

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#1.18 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:40 PM EDT

Only Fox News watchers would actually believe this BS there were ever any WMD in Iraq.

Here are just a few examples that prove that the Bush administration didn't lie about weapons of mass destruction...

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." -- From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998

"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed." -- Madeline Albright, 1998

"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." -- Bill Clinton in 1998

"Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them against his own people." -- Tom Daschle in 1998

"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -- Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security." -- Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002

"Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, 2002

"Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its agreement." -- Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002

"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed." -- Ted Kennedy, Sept 27, 2002

http://www.rightwingnews.com/quotes/demsonwmds.php

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#1.19 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:42 PM EDT

cannot believe there are still Americans who believe that Iraq moved their weapons to Syria, especially when they are about to be invaded. That would be like America moving their weapons to Canada in the event China attacks us. Are Americans all clinically brain dead?

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#1.20 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:45 PM EDT

Interrogator Shares Saddam's Confessions

Tells 60 Minutes Former Iraqi Dictator Didn't Expect U.S. Invasion

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/24/60minutes/main3749494_page6.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody

"And what did he tell you about how his weapons of mass destruction had been destroyed?" Pelley asks.

"He told me that most of the WMD had been destroyed by the U.N. inspectors in the '90s. And those that hadn't been destroyed by the inspectors were unilaterally destroyed by Iraq," Piro says.

"So why keep the secret? Why put your nation at risk, why put your own life at risk to maintain this charade?" Pelley asks.

"It was very important for him to project that because that was what kept him, in his mind, in power. That capability kept the Iranians away. It kept them from reinvading Iraq," Piro says.

"He believed that he couldn't survive without the perception that he had weapons of mass destruction?" Pelley asks.

"Absolutely," Piro says.

"As the U.S. marched toward war and we began massing troops on his border, why didn't he stop it then? And say, 'Look, I have no weapons of mass destruction.' I mean, how could he have wanted his country to be invaded?" Pelley asks.

"He didn't. But he told me he initially miscalculated President Bush. And President Bush's intentions. He thought the United States would retaliate with the same type of attack as we did in 1998 under Operation Desert Fox. Which was a four-day aerial attack. So you expected that initially," Piro says.

(CBS) In fact, Piro says Saddam intended to produce weapons of mass destruction again, some day. "The folks that he needed to reconstitute his program are still there," Piro says.

"And that was his intention?" Pelley asks.

"Yes," Piro says.

"What weapons of mass destruction did he intend to pursue again once he had the opportunity?" Pelley asks.

"He wanted to pursue all of WMD. So he wanted to reconstitute his entire WMD program," says Piro.

"Chemical, biological, even nuclear," Pelley asks.

"Yes," Piro says.

He was a brutal dictator who massacred his own people and he SHOULD have been taken out…but I guess the rest of you don’t care that he murdered mostly women and children or that his intent was to make MORE WMD.

Ironic that you support Saddam yet hate Mubarak.

Saddam’s Kill Tally: Approaching two million

http://www.moreorless.au.com/killers/hussein.html

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#1.21 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:54 PM EDT

Iraq gained it's chemical weapon technology from the Reagan administration.

Syria obtained the technology from Iraq.

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#1.22 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:06 PM EDT

Doug Clement-5774334

cannot believe there are still Americans who believe that Iraq moved their weapons to Syria, especially when they are about to be invaded. That would be like America moving their weapons to Canada in the event China attacks us. Are Americans all clinically brain dead?

Why not ? He moved his Air Force to Iran for "safe keeping" after a decade long "dirty war" with Iran. Does that make sense ? But he did.

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#1.23 - Sat Jul 14, 2012 12:31 AM EDT

There are limits to hoaxes directed by the Saudis, oil companies and their lobbyists.

We had heard of similar jokes/stories invented before Iraqi wars (chemical weapons before 1991 Iraqi war).

Before 2003 Iraqi war, the biggest hoax of the history of Saddam having WMDs was floated.

All the Saudi, oil companies, lobbyists and their puppets including the US danced and jumped on Saddam's WMDs.

This hoax was exposed the moment war started.

Syria and Iran are Shiites vs Sunni century old battles.

We have no roles. We are not world policemen or policmen hired by the Saudis and co!

We have no roles and let us keep miles away from these mad Islamic religious Nazis.

If we step in and then both sides will join hands against us.

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#1.24 - Sat Jul 14, 2012 2:31 AM EDT

"Asked whether there is concern that the weapons could fall into the hands of terrorists, the source said the United States still believes the chemical weapons are "secure" and under the control of the Assad regime."

Sooo, I guess they ARE in the hands of terrorists.

But let's negotiate further...at least until the weapons are hidden in better strongholds.

    #1.25 - Sat Jul 14, 2012 12:30 PM EDT

    surly he would not use those weapons on the public. Perhaps he thinks that soon he will lose power and is moving them to keep them from getting stolen or something. If he starts to fire these things at the public we would light up his world within a few minutes.

      #1.26 - Tue Jul 17, 2012 11:10 AM EDT
      Reply

      Assad will be removed and end up opening his medial practice in suburban Tehran. Meanwhile, are the rebels actually Al Qaida in disguise? I hope our intelligence community is all over this, as we don't need a country to give safe harbor to the almost liquidated Al Qaida club.

      Our fearless leader needs to stop waffling and make a decision. It was ridiculous how he supported Mubarak until it became politically incorrect. With friends like Obama other countries will always question our loyalty.

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      Reply#2 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:59 PM EDT

      Wow, you should try being a world leader that has to balance our safety, our allies safety and Israel's safety with the current leaders in charge. Mubarak had a peace treaty with Israel that he was honoring. Removing him, without an internal push from Egypt's population would have been downright suicidal. Of course he had to support him, as did Bush.

      I just love when people question the president's motives over something like this when:

      1. They don't understand the politics of the Middle East.
      2. They have very little of the information the president has.

      SMH.

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      #2.1 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:16 PM EDT

      the ones that people said bush was full of it with the wmd's, hell yeah they got them from iraq

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      #2.2 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:58 PM EDT

      With allies like Saudis and Pakis, the US, British and European nations don't need enemies.

      Followers of Islamic cult, especially Sunni Saudi inspired Islamic radicals and militants (al-Qaida, Salaffi, Wahhabi, MB and other label ones), are fast marching backwards to their seventh century desert tribal days of rapings, lootings, killings and genocides of non-Muslims.

      Those supporting Saudis blindly should give us accounts of those Christians being killed in S. Sudan, Darful, Nigeria and other places.

      Egypt troubles are just starting.

      80 percent of world problems are due to Sunni Saudi and Paki Islamic radicals and terrorists.

      These people have become so bigoted Islamic religious Nazis that they can't even tolerated Shiites and one of the best ruler like Assad.

        #2.3 - Sat Jul 14, 2012 2:38 AM EDT

        Where does this Stephen Sargent fella in the posting above have any incontrovertible evidence to prove his claim that agent orange and depleted uranium are still out there killing people?

        Oh, that's what I thought, he just expected everybody to believe him. Sorry, I don't.

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        #2.4 - Sat Jul 14, 2012 7:45 AM EDT

        roger white-3731376 #2.4,

        I don't know about the depleted uranium, but many of our Vietnam veterans have, and are experiencing shorter life spans, due to their exposure, actually over exposure, of Agent Orange.

          #2.5 - Sat Jul 14, 2012 10:14 AM EDT

          Christian (Post 2.1)

          SPOT on !

            #2.6 - Sat Jul 14, 2012 12:36 PM EDT

            But agent orange won't listed as "Cause od Death" because it might shorten one's life. I'll' bet the smoking, drinking and lousy eating habits are worse for them than any effect agent orange might still have on them.

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            #2.7 - Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:50 AM EDT
            Reply

            Of course they're moving "chemical" weapons. Just like Iraq moved "chemical" weapons to Syria. Just another false pretense to drag us into a war. Russian ships have been spotted with Syrian gunships in the past couple of days.

            Fun times people. Tune in next week when Iran gives them a nuclear bomb.

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            Reply#3 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:02 PM EDT

            Iran has to have nuclear weapons before it can give them to anyone.

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            #3.1 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:02 PM EDT

            Pakis have nukes. They are on sale or for stealing.

            There are dangers of Paki nukes falling into Islamic terrorist hands.

            No one is bothered much.

            But these dumb people can only invent these dumber stories like Syria and its chemical weapons.

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            #3.2 - Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:21 AM EDT

            Sith:

            Re your quote "Just another false pretense to drag us into a war"

            Maybe a little reminder ?

            As a condition of cease-fire to Gulf War 1, Saddam agreed to Identify all WMD's; Provide proof of their destruction, and allow U.N. inspectors in. (NO one, lol, not even you, can deny that he HAD them, as he used them on his own ppl).

            After 3 years, he threw the inspectors out, and failed to identify or otherwise prove the destruction. Now, I dont know about you, but that would be enough for ME to assume that he still had them...probably hidden, like Assad is doing now.

            All you Bush haters aside, I believe that Saddam had them and, even if they didnt, there was reasonable proof for Bush to act as he did. People like YOU, though, will ensure that we will be having this SAME conversation in a few years re the "missing" WMD's of Iran.

              #3.3 - Sat Jul 14, 2012 12:42 PM EDT

              Jeff - WMD in Iran is missing? What are you talking about? I have never read one story about WMD in Iran. You are a Zionist propaganda machine, pushing hatred of Islamic countries.

              For your information, there were inspectors in Iraq until the very last days. Bush pulled them out so he could start his war, because the inspectors were finding nothing, 0, nada, because there was nothing to find. Remember the mobile biological weapons labs, all the right wingers and Bush were holding up as a sign that Iraq was this evil monster? It turns out they were for filling weather balloons. The uranium from Niger documents were forgeries. It was all a lie, concocted by the neocon, Zionists in the Pentagon and the Mossad, working hand in hand.

              Iran has not started a war with another country in over 180 years.

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              #3.4 - Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:16 PM EDT

              @RalphH

              You are a Zionist propaganda machine, pushing hatred of Islamic countries

              No one uses "Zionist" in the US except some radical Islamics..

                #3.5 - Tue Jul 17, 2012 11:19 AM EDT
                Reply

                Because committing mass murder with conventional weapons hasn't crossed a "serious red line?" NATO, the UN, and every western power are cowards.

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                Reply#4 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:15 PM EDT

                And yet if ANY Western power had jumped into this fray, many more people would be griping about foreign interference in what is, in essence, a domestic sectarian conflict and decrying "Western imperialism."

                What I'd REALLY like to see is the rest of the world's reaction to Russia's part in all this. We get reports here in the U.S. about Russia's involvement but nary a word about the rest of the world's thoughts and opinions on Russia. Anyone NOT in the U.S. care to weigh in on that?

                The biggest heroes in this entire fiasco so far have been the Turks, bar none, and Turkey is a VERY Western nation.

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                #4.1 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:41 PM EDT

                I was going to say that ............

                well then, Ill add "outraged" (clinton)

                and the world said "shhh -- did you hear something"

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                #4.2 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:55 PM EDT

                very well put Tony

                  #4.3 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:43 PM EDT

                  not cowards there isnt enuff oil in syria

                    #4.4 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:55 PM EDT

                    Remember Obama's open mic moment? Putin could wait til AFTER the elections and then they'd....

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                    #4.5 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:12 PM EDT

                    Live Free go ahead into Syria if you are so gung ho on helping these al-qaeda terrorists overthrow Assad. Either one of them is terrible..Assad is a coward war criminal, but those opposing him are not innocent and are only looking to gain power so as to slaughter, rape, and generally destroy non-Muslims.

                      #4.6 - Sat Jul 14, 2012 12:57 AM EDT

                      US, British, European nations and their NATO burnt their hands in too many places like in Iraq by dancing as directed by the Saudis, oil companies and their lobbyists.

                      After reading the net results of Iraqi wars, please decide whether you want to intervene in century old Shiites vs Sunni battles.

                      Net results of Saudi, Kuwait, UAE, oil companies and their lobbyists directed 1991 and 2003 Iraqi wars are

                      WINNERS

                      1. Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE and other rich ME sharks became richer by manipulating oil prices too high.

                      2. Oil companies and their lobbyists also benefitted. Oil prices, which were hardly $30 a barrel before 1991, shot up to $140 a barrel.

                      3. Since 2003, future traders, rating agencies, Wall Street and oil companies and their lobbyists transferred five trillion dollars from oil importing countries to oil exporting nations.

                      4. Rich Sunni ME sharks (Saudi Arabia in particular) funded Salaffi and Wahhabi mosques and Islamic radicals and terrorists all over the world. These Sunni Islamic radicals and terrorists are rampaging all over the world. World’s 80 percent of problems are due to them.

                      LOSERS

                      1. General US and European nations’ public. There have been high unemployment, cut in welfare measures, housing market collapse and more miseries. Since 2001, US spent three trillion dollars on Iraq and Afghan wars. Did the Saudis and co foot the bill?

                      2. Poor soldiers killed and injured and their families. In Iraq and Afghan wars 6300 soldiers were killed and 40000 injured.

                      3. High budget deficits and heavier borrowing. Many nations (PIIGS) and people are on line to bankruptcy!

                      4. Iraq will plunge into bloody sectarian civil wars leading to the creation of Shiastan, Sunnistan and Kurdistan. Here the losses are of Iraqis.

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                      #4.7 - Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:26 AM EDT

                      Jonathan - It is the Israelis that wanted the wars, not the Saudis. Do you think Paul Wolfowitz was working for the Saudis? Perle, Feith, Abrams and Wolfowitz were close to the Likud government of Sharon. They were feeding the media with stories that Iraq was behind the anthrax attacks and 9/11, from their positions in the Pentagon.

                      Once the Pentagon's choice to lead the "new" Iraq, Chalabi
                      promised to reopen an old British-built pipeline from Kirkuk in northern Iraq
                      to the Israeli port of Haifa. The plan impressed Richard Perle, Douglas Feith
                      and other conservatives influencing Bush administration policy toward Iraq in
                      the lead-up to last year's war.

                      The idea also drew enthusiastic response from Israel.

                      "The pipeline would be a dream," Yosef Paritzky, Israel's minister
                      of infrastructures, said as reported by Salon.com. "We'd have an
                      additional source of supply, and could even export some of the crude through
                      Haifa. But we'd need a treaty with Iraq . . . to build the pipeline."

                      Once Chalabi assumed a position of influence in
                      the new Iraqi government, Israel would get its treaty, the neoconservatives
                      were assured

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                      #4.8 - Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:11 AM EDT

                      17,000 Syrian civilians killed in 14 months...narry a peep.

                      400,000 dead in Darfur....silence.

                      750,000 dead in Somalia.....(zzzzzzz)

                      5,000 dead Palestinians in 12 YEARS (800 of whom are civilians caught in a crossfire with Israeli troops going after terrorism), and Israel are butchers...the world screams.

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                      #4.9 - Sat Jul 14, 2012 12:52 PM EDT

                      Ah, Jeff is so concerned about the fate of Muslims, whom every Zionist on these forums hates. What Jeff really wants is another war for Israel, using the same lies that got us into the war with Iraq. Anyone who thinks the Zionist Jews on these forums, such as Jeff, gives one lick about some Muslims in Syria or Iraq must be smoking something illegal.

                      No more wars for Israel. Note: there is no proof Syria even has WMD, let alone WMD from Iraq. Some unnamed source" saying it is so, does not make it true. If he won't attach his name to the story, how credible can it be? There were no WMD in Iraq.

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                      #4.10 - Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:22 PM EDT

                      RalphH: In understand stranglehold of Jewish lobby in finance, media, foreign policy directions and actions in the US. Netanyahos and their Jewish lobby in the US are trying to be too smart. That is when most get hurt badly. Here the US and their lobbys in the world can’t help.

                      I avoid Jews, Israel and their lobbyists deliberately. I am pro those groups as long as they are reasonable.

                      If they are on hara-kiri mission, I can’t help. Just wait and watch.

                        #4.11 - Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:05 AM EDT
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                        Everything we have heard about Syria here in the West is almost the opposite of what is really happening. Truth is that most opposition fighters come from outside just like in the other countries taken by the "Arab Spring" This is all orchestrated by the West so that any move is the wrong move. The only country that the USA/UK hasn't been able to turn yet is Iran. Assad is out, but softly since Russia has their back. Trouble is, if Iran is not next, who is??? Lebanon is too integral to the international drug trade (so that's a no-go). Maybe Iran is next. Come to think of it, the USS Enterprise is scheduled for decommission (which is VERY expensive). It could be the perfect bait to start a war with Iran, since it would have to be something big. Why not just have a carrier destroyed rather than paying for salvaging it. Two birds with one stone. That's how my country rolls! Fun times, huh?

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                        Reply#5 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:15 PM EDT

                        You are an idiot!!! What are your facts!! How can you make such an assumption!!! Go back to Fox and beat you junk!!!

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                        #5.1 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:15 PM EDT

                        People in the know - know. People who - don't.
                        Try getting your news from a non-western news source. Any news source (besides EU)... You will get a better story. A better story that makes more sense.

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                        #5.2 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:04 PM EDT

                        Even middle eastern news source are reporting the same things as CNN or the BBC, only Syrian TV is reporting your "news" so, please give me a break.

                          #5.3 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:05 PM EDT
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                          Of course the chemical weapons are being moved Iraq wants them back before Assad gets toppled

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                          Reply#6 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:21 PM EDT
                          p.joshDeleted

                          "We would, of course, caution them strongly against any intention to use those weapons," Little said.

                          Well that settles it, nothing to fear about their using chemical weapons....

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                          Reply#9 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:03 PM EDT

                          Only 2 US presidents enacted the presidential power of of creating "interest free" money through the US Treasury Dept., not the Federal Reserve Bank- and both were shot in the back of the head.

                          One of those presidents said this:

                          "Those who give up their freedom for the promise of security deserve neither." Abraham Lincoln

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                          Reply#10 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:09 PM EDT

                          Actually Otto, Ben Franklin is the one who said that, nearly 100 years earlier. The exact quote is: "Those who would give up essential freedom for temporary safety deserve neither freedom nor safety."

                          Oh and, not to nitpick, but what the Hell does your comment have do do with the price of tea in China? We were discussing WMDs in Syria.

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                          #10.1 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:55 PM EDT
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                          It's Muslims killing Muslims................who gives a damn?

                          But, the Obama administration is going to make sure they keep the fires stoked for the "rebels", in order to topple yet another Mid East dictator whom we've pretty much had under control. After the dictator is toppled, then the people will be starving like they they are in Egypt and Libya, but Obama will have gotten his way by allowing the more extreme Muslim Dogs to take over.

                          This crap is NO accident. It was planned by this corrupt administration.

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                          Reply#11 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:13 PM EDT

                          "Gee...DUH...we don't know why." They've only been engaged in genocide against their own people for how long now? Hmm, I wonder why they're getting these weapons out from storage? Our government is absolutely incompetent. Under one moron we invade Iraq. Under the next moron we ignore genocide in Syria involving snipers on rooftops picking off children. But our politicians are currently too busy accusing each other of having Swiss bank accounts and outsourcing jobs to even notice that 17 people were shot in Chicago last weekend. If we're not serious about fixing our own streets? Sorry, people of Syria...figure it out on your own.

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                          Reply#12 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:17 PM EDT

                          If chemical weapons are used then there will be thousands killed in syria, not hundreds. Richard engel seems to be putting his life on the line and could be killed over in Syria. America and other countries have not said what will be an act that will draw them into the fight in Syria but there are some weapon sales, to help the rebels. I guess the rebels are gaining ground but I'd think it will still take time till they seem to be winning. Assad is just going to be punishing civilians to say he does not like the west and to remain loyal to the old way of leading the country. This cource of action has not been proving helpful in subsiding the uprising and is working against him. I wonder how long it will take for chemical weapons to be used in Syria?

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                          Reply#13 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:17 PM EDT

                          I heard they are moving the weapons back to Iraq , you know I keep hoping that most of you will get wise and see all these lies the Media and our Politicians telling us about Syria and who are these rebels and who is supporting them , But the fact is no matter what anybody try to tell you all , you done made up your minds up , now first , do you really think Saddam moved these weapons to Syria , the Country that was his enemy for years and helped in the first Iraq war , and so what if Syria have these weapons , they never used them unlike Israel when they used the Cluster bombs in Lebanon against every international laws there are , and off we , NATO , and nobody said anything , Israel has 200 nukes , But that's OK its Israel our allies and spoiled child , well people if you treat every country in the as we are the police of the world , we are going to fighting countries for long time , as long as we have these politicians that do not care about anything but their own interest and their friends interest and the countries that pays them the most , like Saudis and Qataris . and by the way Richard engel is the worst liar there is buddy , he is kissing up to all these Alqaida fighters in Syria just like he did in Libya , and all his reporting is fake , you just have have to the area in that country to know how much lies and BS. he is telling us .

                          • 1 vote
                          Reply#14 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:22 PM EDT

                          This week comes word that a cleric endorses sodomy as a means of
                          "advancing" God's cause by widening the anus so that it might hold the
                          quantity of explosives necessary to bring down a plane full of people.
                          Quick... which religion comes to mind?

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                          Reply#15 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:43 PM EDT

                          The world order of vehicle impound lot attendants?

                            #15.1 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:55 PM EDT
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                            Larry that was a Kuwaitis cleric buddy , our friends the Kuwaitis , and another Saudis cleric said killing Christians and destroying their Churches is a holy work . just remember these are our allies .and 9/11 supporters , just tell that to Hillary and McCain .

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                            Reply#16 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:49 PM EDT

                            We need to mind our own buisness.Enough tax dollars have been spent on other countries.We have our own problems that need to be fixed.

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                            Reply#17 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:07 PM EDT

                            mike spoken like a wise man , you got my vote buddy for senate , because what we got not are not working for the interest of our country .

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                            Reply#18 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:16 PM EDT

                            The Pentagon spokesman says "If Syria uses chemical weapons on the rebellion they will have crossed a red line.."

                            "..On the other hand if Assad wants to continue to execute 200 civilians per day than that is completely okay with the UN and we will not take any action.."

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                            Reply#19 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:30 PM EDT

                            This is another rerun of the runup to the war in Iraq. They are using the WMD scenario again and the idiot right wingers are hopping on the bandwagon. It is alway some unnamed diplomat or in this case a "government source", that comes out with the latest propaganda bs. Another one was "an unnamed country" was giving us intelligence on Iraq. That unnamed country turned out to be Israel.

                            JERUSALEM (AP)
                            — Israeli intelligence overplayed the threat posed by Iraq and reinforced the
                            U.S. and British assessment that Saddam Hussein had large amounts of weapons of
                            mass destruction, a retired Israeli general said Thursday.

                            Brom said the Israeli assessment may have been influenced by politics. "Israel
                            has no reason to regret the outcome of the war in Iraq," he wrote, noting
                            Saddam was an implacable enemy.

                            Brom ended his 25-year military career in 1998. Career officers in Israel
                            traditionally maintain close ties with military colleagues after their
                            retirement.

                            It is incredible to believe they are playing the same tricks to get the US into another war. I think they also are trying to make the Republicans think Bush was right all along about WMD in Iraq and vote for Romney. It appears the strategy is working, by judging from the replies of the right wingnuts on this forum. They are eager to grasp any straw which will show they were no as stupid as we now know.

                            Funny how when we took over in Iraq and offered any Iraqi riches in return for information on where the WMD went, none came forward. Not one general, corporal or even a truckdriver. If the stuff went to Syria, someone ought to have know exactly where it went. If it went there by trucks, surely some poor truck driver would have mentioned it for a reward.

                            Even the dimwit Bush admitted there were no WMD, long after the fact was known to the world. They were destroyed after the first Gulf war, according to Donald Kay.

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                            #19.1 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:56 PM EDT
                            Tom-631064Deleted

                            RalphH...ANOTHER dimwit that thinks freedom is free. Ralph.. go serve your 6 years in the military then come back and talk to us.

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                            #19.3 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:47 PM EDT

                            Hey Jim - If you think that we are still free because we went to war with Iraq or Afghanistan, you are dumber than a stump. Iraq was never a threat to my freedom. Those smart Democrats that did agree with Bush were advised by their smart AIPAC lobbyists and the Zionist media. They didn't get their information from a vacuum and they didn't get it from the CIA, because the CIA didn't believed the crap the neocons were spreading from the Pentagon. Just remember, it was all lies and lies have to start somewhere. The Niger documents were forgeries. Who forged them? Answer: Neocons

                            Jerkoffs ignore the fact America was snookered into a war that will cost over 3.5 trillion dollars. Read these figures Jim. They come from the Pentagon.

                            Zionist
                            warmongers like Ken Adelman and the Zionist Washington Post pushed the war in
                            an editorial titled, “Cakewalk in Iraq.” Jewish supremacists Richard Perle and
                            Paul Wolfowitz told you that Iraq would “Welcome us as liberators.” Iraq became
                            the longest war in American history. Here is a report from USA Today: “Pentagon
                            officials estimated for the first time Wednesday that up to 360,000 Iraq and
                            Afghanistan veterans may have suffered traumatic brain injuries.” Now that’s
                            not counting tens of thousands who have suffered maiming, amputations, or death
                            in this war based on lies.

                            The neocons sold the war by saying it would be cheap and quick, like Gulf War 1. The difference was we didn't invade Baghdad in Gulf war 1, in order to facilitate regime change.

                            I served my time in the US Navy.

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                            #19.4 - Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:26 AM EDT

                            RALPH H is right on the money, this is an article placed by someone within the admin to do two things, first: state that the Assad Government is taking some action with regard to Chemical Weapons (but they don't know why) and second: state clearly to us, the civilian population that "if the Assad Regime uses Chemical Weapons on civilians, they WILL HAVE CROSSED A SERIOUS RED LINE" (Which means what? It means the US WILL TAKE MILITARY ACTION, and even if they find out that it never happened or that it was perpetrated by Rebel forces it will be too late, because US Military action in Syria is going to solicit a response by the Russian Military because of the Strategic importance of Syria to their defense. Russia's largest Naval base, world-wide, has just been completed in Syria)

                            They are preparing the civilian population for war, this article is a HUGE RED FLAG! And god forbid, because the Russian Government (who is just finishing a HUGE NAVAL BASE in Syria) has a massive investment in the Syrian Government and its alliance with Assad. They (Putin) has already clearly stated that the Russian Government will not remain idle if Syria is attacked. The potential for Nuclear War as a result of such a situation is extreme and people need to know this is serious and we need to contact our Representatives and state that we DO NOT support this. People blindly say things in support of wars without any idea of what the possible outcome may be. Yes, killing civilians is terrible, but a war that could very well wipe out mankind is simply an unacceptable action in order to try and put a stop to internal problems in a sovereign country. The fact is that the Media reports on these possible Government troops killing civilians and its always BIG NEWS (in order to gain popular support for military intervention) but many times it has turned out that the killings were done by Rebel Troops attempting to pose as Government Troops. WE ARE BEING SET UP PEOPLE!!!

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                            #19.5 - Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:15 AM EDT
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                            I do not care about Syria... Do you hear me Mr Obama.. I am over Syria and any other country that wants my MONEY and my young Americans but then uses this country!!! If they want freedom then fight for it!! But I am over the con job!!

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                            Reply#20 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:39 PM EDT

                            con job, he has been using his con job on this country sincwe he has been in office, lian POS

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                            #20.1 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:03 PM EDT
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                            Is Assad that detached from reality?

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                            Reply#21 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:48 PM EDT

                            OBAMA why don't we get the mexicans into the usa and then the syrians can have mexico and you will have more of your family closer

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                            Reply#22 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:00 PM EDT
                            Tom-631064Deleted
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                            Ramp up NATO's support for an Arab League 'solution'. That's my personal recommendation! - RC

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                            Reply#23 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:00 PM EDT

                            (And start training foreign Air Forces on B-2 operation. (Lend/lease, we can sit in the co-pilot positions.) - RC

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                            #23.1 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:18 PM EDT

                            ((It is enough that we fly sho-gun, get my drift? (But still install remote activation systems, ok?))) - RC

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                            #23.2 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:34 PM EDT
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                            Its funny how Russia stays out of this mess and all the others. And you know why? Its because they are the suppliers. Untrusting scum they are!

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                            Reply#24 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:08 PM EDT
                            Tom-631064Deleted

                            these chemical weapons came from iraq. they were trucked before the weapons inspectors got in iraq. a guy from holland drew a map were they were, this was never followed upbecause they did not believe him. check it out and you will find ou bush was right.

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                            Reply#26 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:37 PM EDT

                            Actually, I think some were moved right under their noses. As I recall, sat recon showed lots of very large items being loaded and shuttled from one Presidential Palace to another Presidential Palace while the inspectors had to wait - for many hours. After the tractor-trailers moved out, the inspectors were allowed in. What a joke that was.

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                            #26.1 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:35 PM EDT

                            A "guy" from Holland? Oh that sounds convincing - yeah, I'm absolutely certain there were WMD's in Iraq after hearing this story. Thank you for that startling revelation.

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                            #26.2 - Sat Jul 14, 2012 7:04 AM EDT
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                            Check out news sites outside of the U.S. & U.K. for a different perspective on the doings here and elsewhere, such as Aljazeera which offers the news in English including about the U.S., not that our news is controlled or censored, huh!

                            And no, I am not someone from the middle east, or with ancestors from such, just a pale U.S. citizen sharing information for those of intelligence with an open mind to information that is no originated in the U.S.

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                            Reply#27 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:39 PM EDT

                            If the US military analysts do not think Assad will use his chemical weapons on the rebels -- or anyone else that tries to depose him -- they are idiots! Assad will use whatever he has access to to kill whoever stands in his way.

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                            Reply#28 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:39 PM EDT
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