"I've been a cop for 35 years, this is the worst incidence of gun violence in my memory anywhere in North America," Blair said.

Officer Blair doesn't get out much, does he? Take a trip south once in awhile. You don't even have to go very far. Or perhaps, just stop exaggerating.

thank you! that made me very upset when he said its the worst instance of gun violence. why not walking through north philly or the south side of chicago some weekend late at night.. you will see much worse

Not only does Canada have a far lower violent crime than we do--Bloomberg reports that Canada has passed the US in personal wealth and income per person. Must be that "socialized medicine" and staying away from a bloated military.

Oh, dear. Good ol' Canada has a shooting. What are the races involved?

Really Sandtrich: Doesn't look like these folks have jobs at all.

good thing canada has such tough gun laws this could have turned into a real mess!

El Whapo, you are claiming that these people clearly weren't working...while here you sit on the computer on a Tuesday moring....hard at work?

That's what happens when you have a society that can't settle these disputes with their fists and everyone lives, instead they want to criminalize it and you can get the same amount of jail time for just plain shooting someone. Stupid is as stupid does.

El Warpo--check it out for yourself.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-07-15/hardheaded-socialism-makes-canada-richer-than-u-s-.html

We've been sold on wars and military buildups for decades. The result---we're broke

Sandtrich, Canada also has a higher debt per capita than the US, and the whole of their housing market -- the prime reason for the net worth difference -- is guaranteed by the government. Let's see how that works for them, it didn't for us as you'll recall...

why not walking through north philly or the south side of chicago some weekend late at night.. you will see much worse

Is that something to be proud of?

The U.S. has the highest per capita debt in the world..Yes that includes Greece

I guess this is what happens when your government leans too far toward socialism and institutes gun control. Watch out you lefties; you're next.

ahhh, the melancholy times.... they have changed. Eh?

Sandtrich - the most important factor is a low minority count! Have not seen who was invovled, but have a REALLY good idea.

sandtrich.... lol, your liberal sources have no credibility! I have plenty of Canadian friends that don't like the welfare state, socialism has created in their country! Unemployment is high, health care has suffered... the doctors who fled Canada and came the the US to work are now wondering if obamacare will force them into early retirement or force them to move again....

Canada is not a glowing example of an economy prospering under socialism! Name me another country run by a socialist government that is prospering..... I don't think you can find one!

Guns and Violence: America's contribution to NAFTA

"I've been a cop for 35 years, this is the worst incidence of gun violence in my memory anywhere in North America,"

He does know that Mexico is in North America right? Say what you will about gun violence in the States, but Mexico can practically be considered a war zone in areas.

He clearly meant to say it was the worst case of gun violence that he can recall in his career, in Canada....

Sandtrich, Canada also has a higher debt per capita than the US, and the whole of their housing market -- the prime reason for the net worth difference -- is guaranteed by the government. Let's see how that works for them, it didn't for us as you'll recall...

Actually the function of the CMHC which is a crown corporation (with an annual surplus of over $2B) is to manage insurance fund for residential mortgage which we the consumers have to pay. Unlike the USA it is highly regulated with the government revising the laws as necessary to ensure that we don't fall into the same trap like the USA. For example last week they revised the length of time that you can get mortgage by scrapping the 30 year mortgage.

Also, it is well known that Canada has best banking practice in the world which is highly regulated. So no we are not like the USA. It doesn't mean that we could never fail but given the way the laws are here it is highly unlikely.

Guns do not produce violence any more than a school produces success. It's not what you have, it's how you use it.

"I've been a cop for 35 years, this is the worst incidence of gun violence in my memory anywhere in North America,"

Another ridiculously, thinly veiled, liberal attack on gun ownership! Whatever happened to reporting the news msnbc? Or is your new business plan to be a liberal opinion website?

The problem is that hand guns, easily available in the US, are being smuggled into Canada in ever increasing numbers. To get a permit for a hand gun in Canada is a long process including having the RCMP interview you and your neighbors and friends. If you are stable and not a threat, you get the permit and can purchace your hand gun. Long barrel guns are easier to obtain. Still, there are permits required to move your guns from one location to another. The guns used in this incident are sure to be smuggled or stolen.

The officer must have his head in the sand, because there was a much more deadly attack at the University of Montreal 15 years ago when 13 women were killed in classrooms.

Homicides in canada by guns were 0.60/100,000 in the US 6.24/100,000

Freemarketfan, do you lie to hear yourself talk? Because those of us who actually do have Canadian friends, know better... you moron

Jerry - No it isn't. Google it "list of countries by external debt". If you sort the list by per capita numbers Luxemburg wins the top spot. Followed by Monaco, Netherlands, Switzerland, United Kingdom, Norway, Belgium, Hong Kong, Sweden, Austria, France, Finland, Germany, Australia and New Zealand.

If you're only talking about public debt (the best indicator of potential default), then top honors go to Zimbabwe, Japan, St Kits and Levits, Greece, Lebanon, Iceland, Antigua and Barbuda, Jamaica, Italy, and Singapore round out the top ten.

We're higher than we should be, of course... But we are not quite the worst off just yet.

I've gotta call bull on free market fan.

I have friends who were offered more than double their current salary as surgeons to move to Texas and they turned it down. The vast majority of Canadians really like their system and it is working better than that of the US.

By the way there is no free market. Immigration control manipulates the cost of labor for one. There are many other factors. Read 23 things they don't tell you about Capitalism by Cambridge professor Ha-Joon Chang.

Free Market Fan is correct... socialized healthcare in Canada is the reason we now live in the US. But Vancouver in the summer is a lovely place to visit!

Thank you Xina for producing actual information and not just spouting out "facts".

PRober - My Canadian friends are better than your Canadian friends. Also, it's a fact that all Canadians think in the exact same manner. They all have the same opinions and beliefs. They all like the color purple best of all. They prefer maple syrup over water. They all like to snowboard and own huskies. Pot, you really shouldn't call kettle a moron.

If doctors leave Canada and go to the US it isn't because of Socialized health care it is because they can make more money here. Which is why we can't afford health care in America and 40 million people don't have it.

AHC doesn't prevent doctors from making a lot of money but limits the profits made from people in the health care corporations. Heath care dollars should go to health care and not huge corporate profits! Rick Scott, gov of FL, is a good example of how much health care money went to him. To give you an example he spent over 20 million dollars just to get elected. All of that money came from health care profits and he is just one person!

If immigrant doctors from Canada leave America because of AHC please tell me where they are going?

Someone asked what Socialist country is doing well now. I ask what Capitalist country is doing well now.

If you Google it you will see a crime map of Scarborough. It's a bad area like we have here with animals that never learned how to act in public. I was following a story of a young woman that lost her life and at the church all the people started fighting and throwing blacktop and rocks at each other. The police had to come and pepper spray all of them so they would stop. When will the parents bring their children up to be responsible adults

Look at the tattoos on the girls arm in the picture. I can tell you the educational level of the neighborhood this happened in.

The first one to to resort to violence is the first one to run out of ideas

(judging from the group in the picture...there wasn't alot of brainstorming going on)

-SANDTRICH

Wrong, it's not having the bloated military or the use of socialized medicine that has made Canada more prosperous, my friend. As a matter of fact, Canada is experiencing fiscal problems due to the socialized medicine reform. My cousin is Canadian, costs have gone up significantly. Its simple economics. It's the living and spending beyond means. Not having a Federal balanced budget or cuts in spending for years. It's the fiat currency of endless printing of money and keynesian economics. That simple! Stop drinking Karl Marx's Kool-Aid it's dumbing you down. Know before you make disingenuous comments. The U.S. is not Canada. The U.S. population is 9x greater than Canada. Big economic difference on every level, good or bad.

This is not directed at anyone in particular but it needs to be said.

There are two very large countries in the eastern hemisphere that are not fans of the US; they also have an aversion to human rights. They also have large populations and growing militaries. I like our bloated military. I'm comforted by its presence. If it came down to it, without allies such as the US, Canada would get its ass kicked by either China or Russia. I'm pretty sure that holds true for European countries too. The US can hold its own against any nation and I'd like that to continue.

"I've been a cop for 35 years, this is the worst incidence of gun violence in my memory anywhere in North America," Blair said.

I'm sure he meant to say "I've been a cop for 35 years, this is the worst incidence of gun violence in my memory anywhere in Canada," Blair said.

I think he forgot that the U.S. and Mexico are in North America. Take a trip to Baltimore or D.C. You have a good chance of seeing this kind of violence every weekend.

Canada is a much better place to live than the States, unless you are very wealthy, purely b/c of healthcare.

Socialized healthcare here is more than adequate. While it's true that if you are very wealthy, you can pay for better care in the States....well, you can do that anyways. If you need an MRI done in a day, you can drive to Buffalo and pay $1,000 for it, instead of waiting a few weeks in Toronto. So honestly, Canadians get the best of both deals. They get a free, and much less complex healthcare system, and yet, if you want to pay for something better, you can always go to the States.

If you are a lower or middle-income family that pays regular health insurance in the States, I really doubt that you actually receive better healthcare service in the States than in Canada. I have plenty of relatives in the US who are healthy middle to upper class individuals, and they complain about the US system all the time.

I don't know if a completely socialized healthcare system is even a possible alternative for the USA. But the one thing I do know is that contrary to all the nonsense spread by Republicans (I am a conservative economic voter as well, and would certainly be voting Republican if I lived in the US), Canada's healthcare system is far superior to the US's.

MR-392541

Sandtrich, Canada also has a higher debt per capita than the US, and the whole of their housing market -- the prime reason for the net worth difference -- is guaranteed by the government. Let's see how that works for them, it didn't for us as you'll recall...

Not true. Both their internally held and foreign held debt is lower, (both per capita and obviously in total debt.)

Canada 83.5 2011 est. 84.95 2011 North America

United States 103.0 2011 est. 102.94 2011 North America

We owe more per capita and we spend more per capita. It's just that we spend it wars that benefit no one. Iraq--60,000 civilians dead, a bombed out infrastructure with available electricity 50% of the time and a multi-trillion waste of tax payers dollars. When the true cost of war is shown at the VA's around the US and the disability payments are not show as "defense," it's just smoke and mirrors by the military industrialists.

Who should be bomb today? When there are 3 operational aircraft carriers in the rest of the world and we have 12--plus a 21 ship flotilla with each one--it proves Eisenhower right. The Military Industrial Complex and Corporate America raped all of us.

I am so sorry for the innocent victims.

But reading some post that are expressing facts that are not true. Although I agree with many of the posters, comparing Americas debt to Greece's is, on the surface interesting, but factor in population and individual incomes and you would probably not use Greece as a comparison. As far as jobs and unemployment, I just read a report that states Canadian unemployment is at 7.2%, Americas is at 8.2%. Also Canadian household net worth is higher than Americas average household net worth. Canadian government is a unified, cooperative of Social Conservatism and Capitalism - and they are making it work by their economic advancements. I believe the key to that is the cohesive cooperation within their government political parties and to their economic success is governing their country intelligently and with their citizens in mind. Now you can compare our government which is the absolute opposite, in it current operations and administrations, to Canadian government and draw some very real and substantial conclusions.

Also, in Canada, they have certain gun control laws - at this point - I am not too familiar with them.....but the question I would ask, in defense of legal gun ownership is; were the gun(s) used in this incident legal or illegal as determined by their laws.

Don't get your panties wadded. He was talking north of America, where America is the USA and north would be Canada. We are still number one. I am sure he didn't mean to offend you guys. It probably is the worst for him in his country. They have a lot less minorities there and the ones there are way too cold to worry about. Another thing to blame on global warming.

I used to live in Mississauga, Ontario. South of Toronto. While I didn't see a lot of crime there I felt like I was living in a powder keg.

Lot's of Muslims and Pakistanis there. Good people but I kept my mouth shut about my American politics.

I made the mistake of calling one guy an Indian. He let me know real quick he WAS NOT AN INDIAN...he was a Pakistani!

-SANDTRICH

Why are you living here? If you hate this country so much, why don't you leave. Relocate to Canada, pay their taxes that way you don't have to pay for all those U.S. aircraft carriers you're complaining about. No one is forcing you to stay here. BTW, how come I don't hear you talk about that the greatest percentage of those Iraqi deaths you claim were caused by insurgents and Al-Qaeda on their own people (murders, assisinations, IEDs, kidnappings). Have you been there? How about the billions of U.S. dollars that went to rebuilding their economy, schools and infrastructure. Why don't you mention that.

patrick demarco

Don't get your panties waded. He was talking north of America, where America is the USA and north would be Canada. We are still number one. I am sure he didn't mean to offend you guys. It probably is the worst for him in his country. They have a lot less minorities there and the ones there are way too cold to worry about. Another thing to blame on global warming.

Whoa, I'm not sure where you get your facts but the those I stated are verified, are yours? Mine show Canada has surpassed the USA's income levels and unemployment percentages. I assume when you state less minorities you are speaking immigrants, right? I agree, Blair's statement was misunderstood by many people in this forum.

Jarjamda

If the guy had better aim, there would be less Canadians!

Not funny....try to keep up and be relevent.

anybody else read the article cause of the chick in blue?

We've been sold on wars and military buildups for decades. The result---we're broke

You may not know this but our military has been shrinking the Build up was smaller than in the 80's now were going to pre ww2 levels in troops and ships. By the way when are we going to leave Clinton's war in Bosnia?

Shows how much good gun control does!!! But to hear the Left talk, we've got to get the guns away from EVERYBODY---even the law-abiding! NOT!!!!!! A person legally carrying could have stopped this @!$%#! (Just like a person legally carrying stopped the shooting at the Gabby Giffords Tucson massacre! But the Leftist media doesn't report THAT!!!!)

Steve-2570999 : Someone having tats has exactly what to do with their education level? You are aware that there are tons of us with tats? In almost every facet of life?

It is a fact that my facts are more factual than your facts. In fact, I would say your facts are less than facts and more so non-facts. Factor in the factorization that you're a facting fact-up and we corroborate the fact that my facts are real facts and your facts are non-facts.

Steve, that's an uneducated and judgmental statement if I've ever heard one. I have a college degree and so does my spouse yet we have tattoos. In addition, the picture shows ONE person with tattoos yet you've concluded it must be the whole neighborhood and they all must be uneducated. Whatever point you were trying to make failed miserably. Back to your ivory tower, please.

Canada doesn't have the inbred racism perpetuated and promoted as a livelihood by Al and Jesse but EVERY national election contains promises to make the delivery system and care level of socialised medicine work as promised. Also get used to 15%-16% Sales Taxes and much higher Income Taxes if you want to emulate life in Canada. This tragic incident and loss of life has only one real cause and that's how people resort to violence when a disagreement arises; the reason for that is within each of us to decide and control.

Si vis pacem praeparet bellum

-SANDTRICH

Why are you living here? If you hate this country so much, why don't you leave. Relocate to Canada, pay their taxes that way you don't have to pay for all those U.S. aircraft carriers you're complaining about. No one is forcing you to stay here. BTW, how come I don't hear you talk about that the greatest percentage of those Iraqi deaths you claim were caused by insurgents and Al-Qaeda on their own people (murders, assisinations, IEDs, kidnappings). Have you been there? How about the billions of U.S. dollars that went to rebuilding their economy, schools and infrastructure. Why don't you mention that.

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When you make up figures and I prove you wrong you come up with the "love it or leave it bull@!$%#." Pretty damned sad. My father was a WWII Submariner, I served in the USN during Nam and my brother served in Vietnam. Topping that off, my son is a Naval Officer, (Lt Cdr), with 15+ years in. I pay taxes and I vote, so I'm supposed to have a say. I've traveled and lived abroad and I know that we're heading in the wrong direction.

Imperialism sucks and so does the fake news that you people get from Fox and that fat drug addict, Limbaugh.

Steve-446003 {post 1.21}: Excellent point! Hopefully everyone can understand it as simple and to the point that it is. People need to place the blame where it REALLY belongs... The person who uses the tool.

"Only 2 things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity, and I'm not so sure about the former." -- Albert Einstein

Whoa, I'm not sure where you get your facts

I was ribbing the people that took offense to the guy saying it was the worse murder scene he knows about. Some people on here seem to have been truly offended by that statement and their statements are comical to me.

But on this other issue of income, everything is relative. I didn't read that report that came out the other day but any data can be skewed to fit the narrative. Are they talking net income or gross? The cost of living in Canada is much higher. Canada is like a state not our entire country. It should be compared to California or Texas, almost identical populations.

But here is the point. If you are living in Alabama with a $40k income you are pretty well off. Everything is cheaper from gas, housing, food, everything. When I flew up to Toronto to a Rush concert I brought a couple of thousand with me thinking I could do some shopping, I live on a Caribbean island. I didn't figure the 14% sales tax, ouch. I still bought things because I live on a island but it was disappointing. One last point, some people on this island don't make much money at all but from a distance their lifestyle seems pretty cool, eat fish, swim in ocean, walk around drink rum and sell a couple of trinkets to tourist, irie mon.

I must say I thought Canada was awesome. The people were so nice. I was walking very late at night and these guys were coming towards me with hockey sticks. I could only think of the movie The Warriors but it was just my imagination, they were actually just hockey players. I found no matter what people looked like up there they were well spoken and polite. My island you can also walk around with no worries, one murder every 2-4 years almost always about drugs.

Two people have died and at least 19 others were wounded in a shooting

You know what you call 2 dead and 19 wounded in Chicago................a slow day.

EddietheKid,

If you compare those to international gun violence incidents it is not even remarkable, most examples of gun violence appear to be governments that have disarmed their "citizens":

1911: Turkey established gun control. From 1915-1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

1929: The Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, approximately 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

1935: China established gun control. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

1938: Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, 6 to 7 million Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, the mentally ill, and 12 million Christians who were unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

1956: Cambodia established gun control. From 1975 to 1977, one million "educated" people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

1964: Guatemala established gun control. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

1970: Uganda established gun control. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

And people like you are still doomed to try and repeat the same experiment expecting a different outcome. Very intelligent.

1) All those things, while terrible, had nothing to do with civvie on civvie violence like the Toronto shooting or the shootings Eddie talked about.

2) Where in his post did he say that he was for gun control?

Your reading comprehension sucks

If they try to Amend the 2nd amendment and take guns away from law abiding citizens, All of the killings mentioned will seem almost reasonable.....100's of thousands will die if not Millions....Had someone Been armed at that Party in Toronto perhaps the toll would not have been so severe.

In fact, Violent crimes go down where the Ability to carry concealed weapons is Legal and Enjoyed by a high percent of the population....Most who go on these killing spree's do so knowing they face NO Opposition....When they Know Others May Be Armed and WILL Use deadly force, perhaps it is that extra minute or two weighing this potential that decides for them to NOT do the crime.....You will never stop people who do not care if they die...Without a gun it will be an explosive device easily made at home with sugar and fertilizer found in any Home Depot.....The higher the population, the more you will deal with a percentage of stupid people and you cant FIX Stupid....

Take away the ability of law abiding citizens to defend themselves and the only ones with guns will be criminals & Government.....Take away the Right to Bear Arms and You will get the Tyranny the Right to bear arms has Held Off for over 200 years and the Reason it was such a Priority in the Bill Of Rights in America......People that are comfortable often forget that POWER Corrupts and an Unarmed populace means Absolute Power can be easily attained...Guns Bought your Liberty and Guns have Kept you free for 2 centuries....In life there are 2 kinds of People, SHEEP ( those who simply go along to get along) and LIONS ( these have watched the backs of the sheep since the Declaration of Independence was signed)..Which are you??

Ophotfoot don't forget the most recent ones the Brits and Those Down Under. Excellent job on the stats though.

Todd, the ONE incident that involved a self-defense shooting on behalf of the victim(s) was the gentleman in Texas who saw his daughter being sexually molested by another man, and the proceeded to shoot and kill the molester. Note: No charges were filed against the father, quite appropriately. If you're going to make a blanket statement about the value of armed citizens in matters of civilian on civilian violence, you're going to need to list some concrete examples of how you "Lions" protect . . .ahem. . ."sheep." Seeing as how Lions are, in nature, predators of the grass grazing, non-carnivores know as sheep, you're going to need to provide a lot of examples. I'm not anti-gun, I'm anti-gun owners who use the 2nd Amendment to defend nonsense arguments like yours. It will cease to be nonsense the day gun owners can defend their arguments with actual facts.

He should come to the District and PG county. Last year 3 teenagers were shot over some costume jewelry.

Ophotfoot, your 'argument' loses all credibility when you inject reality. Does anybody with the brains god gave doorknobs believe that, if our government decides to take us out, we'll be able to hold off Predators, Warthogs and armored Humvees? All those millions of guns the gunnies are hoarding will come in handy for suicide to prevent the realization that their rationalization for being the most homicidal nation on the planet was all smoke and mirrors.

The UK banned almost ALL guns (1998), the remaining ones must be secured at gun clubs. Now violence with knives has increased, so they are talking about registering long knives...

BRITAIN was officially named Europe’s most violent nation last night, Jul 2009...

We also suffer more violence than people in the US or even SOUTH AFRICA, figures show.

We have TWICE as many burglaries as Germany or France.

A shocking 2,034 per 100,000 people suffer violent crime in the UK, compared to 466 in America and 1,609 in trouble spot South Africa.

Britain’s damning figures far outstrip those of second-worst EU country — Austria, with 1,677 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

And the UK rate has increased by a shocking 77 per cent since 1998.

The numbers were released by the European Commission... see http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2512514/UK-is-most-violent-nation-in-Europe-and-is-worse-than-US.html

Australia out-lawed guns and this resulted in 'Home Invasions' becoming common...

I think he also forgot that Mexico is in North America.

asknreceive1-1054310

If you're going to try and use "news" to purportedly support your own argument, you should at least use things that are relevant.

You note the individual in TX who killed a man molesting his daughter. He did NOT shoot the individual. He beat him to death.

So, please, if YOU want to support a position, please use "facts".

Now for facts, look up Kennesaw GA. While a small Atlanta, suburb, they require all homes to have a firearm and ammunition. The ordinance is not actually enforced, but the "bad guys" don't know who does and does not comply. That is one reason the crime rate there went down drastically when the ordinance was enacted, and continues to this day. What bad guy will invade a home knowing the person on the other side of the door might greet them with a double barrel 12 ga shotgun, or a Colt 45 revolver? The short answer is not many.

I can not believe that you forgot to mention the 743 that were shot and killed in USA by just one group last year, I am so surprised no one cares about that---the USA police!!!--Clearly compared to Western countries, about 10 times more per million people here in the USA--talking about gun violence!!--I want to see that at the bottom of all news TV channels, like a ticker tape, so people can become away of the 2-3 people killed every day by police, and nothing happens, even when the killed are just holding their cell phones in their hands, whether in their cars, or just walking out of a 7-11!!!!!!

@ asknreceive1 -

was the gentleman in Texas who saw his daughter being sexually molested by another man, and the proceeded to shoot and kill the molester

I think you need to go rediscover that article and fully read it. The father beat the man to death, he did not shoot him.

Secondly, owning guns is a right. And the right isn't so that we may defend ourselves in certain situations, however, we do, but to defend ourselves against a government becoming tyrannical. However unlikely that may be, it's a constitutional right.

Thank you AC Robertson!!!!

Xaziol, I do so apologize for failing to remember that the gentleman in Texas defended his daughter with his bare hands. Oh, and I rest my case as to using the 2nd Amendment rights argument as an staple gun in every single article involving a shooting and the readily available, willing and armed citizens who woulda, shoulda, coulda if ONLY they'd been there or had their counterparts who were on the scene been armed. Case closed.

patriot.. canada averages under 100 gun deaths a year. a much higher percentage of Canadian citizens have guns than American citizens because of the hunting. its not only the laws that have lessened the crimes its the mindset of Canadian citizens. They are not afraid walking around the city late at night, so they see no reason to protect themselves with a firearm. Also, many Canadians even leave their front door open because the culture is much different, and frankly much safer.

Notice that this shooting incident occurred in CANADA.....? Oh ya, the most peaceful place in the world where there is no firearm violence to be found....ever.

Ya right.

AC Robertson

The UK banned almost ALL guns (1998), the remaining ones must be secured at gun clubs. Now violence with knives has increased, so they are talking about registering long knives...

BRITAIN was officially named Europe’s most violent nation last night, Jul 2009...

We also suffer more violence than people in the US or even SOUTH AFRICA, figures show.

Then again this is coming from "The Sun" a paper about as reliable as "News of the World"-- oh wait- same publisher....

Todd, I support concealed carry but, please support your "statistics."

Phenomenal112,

1. 17 December 2010 - A man has been arrested for attempted murder after a knife attack left more than 14 people injured near a station in Japan. The victims included seven high school students and four middle school students...

2. 8 June 2001 - TOKYO — A knife-wielding man burst into an elementary school in Osaka this morning, killing at least eight first- and second-grade students and injuring at least 21 other pupils and faculty, police said...

3. 3 March 2011 - Japan Suicide Rate Still Among The World's Highest, though access to guns is almost imposible... see http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/04/japan-suicide-rate-still-_n_831430.html

4. 19 April 1995 - Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, bombed the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City the attack killed 168 people and injured over 800 people...

5. The USA has over 80+gun related deaths every day, the majority are middle aged white males committing suicide. The next largest demographic is young black males committing crimes... see http://blog.collins.net.pr/2007/04/gun-deaths-in-usa.html

When there is a motivated killer, anything is possible...

Hal-2824511,

The data was from the European Crime and Safety Survey and also a survey carried out for UNICEF. This was also reported in numerous other media outlets...

once again, ignorance rears it's ugly head in America... people like Patriot61 above, so "patriotic" and ready to spew his ilk about a place he's most likely never been before:

Patriot61

"Canada has one of the toughest gun control laws - they think that if they remove the gun s from personal ownership that all gun crimes will cease....boy are they stupid"

and then call people stupid! Well do your homework next time jocko, Prime Minister Harper just did away with the registering of ALL long guns in Canada. Can you say the same thing about your country? Of course not... all you can do is bible-thump and/or recite the pledge of allegiance, all the while you can't see the USA crumbling at it's foundation, while you remind everyone how great it is to be an American. Talk about stupid! Wanna bad mouth their Nationalized Health Care plan while you're at it dummy?

The UK banned almost ALL guns (1998), the remaining ones must be secured at gun clubs. Now violence with knives has increased, so they are talking about registering long knives...

BRITAIN was officially named Europe’s most violent nation last night, Jul 2009...

We also suffer more violence than people in the US or even SOUTH AFRICA, figures show.

We have TWICE as many burglaries as Germany or France.

Probably a heck of a lot of it related to people coming out of bars/clubs drunk and fighting. I will tell you one thing, as someone from the UK.... I did not worry about gun crime anywhere near as much as I do living in the US. And I have been the victim of violent crime, in a major city.

Phenom. Gun control doesn't guarantee no guns. It only guarantees NO GUNS for law abiding citizens. The street thugs, the gangbangers and the rest will still have them.

Take away the Right to Bear Arms and You will get the Tyranny the Right to bear arms has Held Off for over 200 years

It's this kind of nonsense that doesn't help your cause. There's been extensive gun control in the UK for years and years and the government is no more or less tyrannical than in the US.

Rob80-4249854,

I'm sure the UK is like the USA, the violence is usually located in the lower income areas and involves those that live there. As long as the violence does not spill into the average persons areas, the vast majority of people could care less. Most people who have lived in the areas long term, know where to avoid...

There I use to live, Eastern NC in a tourist area. Everyone knew when to avoid the heavy traffic areas and that after 10PM the POLICE were active; looking for drunks and because of the high rates of accidents. We just stayed at home, late at night and let the tourist and drunk Marines feed the POLICE/Court system...

A Northern Thai Buddhist was describing the current ethnic violence on the Thai Myanmar border. The crimes and deaths were concentrated in the Muslim slums and his village (mixed) was not being effected, so he was not concerned. When asked why his village was escaping the violence??? His reply, "My village is controlled by the Chinese Mafia. The trouble makers avoid this area." This was broadcast on Thai TV...

I'm sure the UK is like the USA, the violence is usually located in the lower income areas and involves those that live there. As long as the violence does not spill into the average persons areas, the vast majority of people could care less. Most people who have lived in the areas long term, know where to avoid...

Yes, this is true. But, there is still less of a fear of guns in those neighborhoods. The 'bad' neighborhoods in Manchester (which is roughly where I am from) are nowhere near as bad as here. I would still drive through them. Here, in Philly, I would not. I live in a transitional neighborhood, gun crime has happened yards from my front door. As a kid, I used to have friends in a similar neighborhood (with council housing, poor people, etc) and there was never, ever, any threat of gun violence. There was violence and violent people, but I don't ever remember people being killed. It still rarely happens now.

You also have to remember that most people in those neighborhoods are still good (law abiding - mostly!) people. It might not seem like it, but they are. I can see that, living on the edge of it. This doesn't mean the number of people in gangs, dealing drugs, is not acceptable however.

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Asknrecieve...........Ask and you shall recieve. Try checking out a few yrs worth of FBI statistics on that civilian on civilian thing. The proof is in the pudding and there is no denying it. An armed populace is a much more polite populace.

Loaded guns and alcohol are a recipe for disaster.

When the second ammendment was written the only arms they had a concept of were single shot muzzle loading weapons. you could fire about one shot per minute. If they had known that 45,000 citizens would be killed each year as a result of the ammendment they would have rephrased it. Only 25,000 were killed in the revolutionary war.

Guns will find their way into hands that want them no matter the law. When I was growing up in the 60s, every kid I knew had a rifle, or shotgun, but never brought them to school or any public event. We had many block parties during the summer. Never did any violence take place and there were hundreds of kids at these parties.

What needs to change is our moral character that has fallen into the gutter.

Patriot61---Here are the facts In Canada, there were 542 homicides in 2000 resulting in a national rate of 1.8 homicides per100,000 population. By comparison, there were 15,517 homicides in the U.S., resulting in a rate(5.5) three times higher than Canada’s.• Both countries have seen a decline in the number of homicides during the past decade, particularlyin the U.S. Twenty years ago, the American homicide rate was about four times that of Canada.• Similarly, the aggravated assault rate in the U.S. was more than double the Canadian rate in 2000.The U.S. also showed a higher rate of robbery (65% higher) than Canada. About 41% of robberiesin the U.S. involved a firearm, compared to 16% in Canada. So don't say gun control in Canada doesn't help

Machinehead,

I think your button batteries are getting low dude.....

You need to replace them with common sense batteries made in America. Not China...

dont we have a larger population then canada?, i could almost beleive that we do, which could mean we have more groups of 100k populations to use for the comparison. which could make the statistics seem worse here than in canada.

Creek Dog- If you want to live among apes, be my guest!

BTW, you may need to change your tampon - panzy!

Tyler - machinehead banned, ending a long history of extrapolation racism.

I'm not defending racism or anything but...you must be really thin skinned to ban someone over such a mild comment.

I've seen far more aggressive and offensive comments made by those aiming insults at whites. Evidently you have no problem with that. Just calling hypocrisy when I see it.

Legal American firearm owners legally transfer firearms to others who legally can own firearms. Applicants have Government background checks . Records are kept. A fired round from the firearm is kept in a database to identify the unique machining imperfections of the barrel thus any fired round used in a crime is traceable. The firearm serial number is tracked though out its existence. Criminals commit crimes. You have a better chance of being the victim of medical malpractice than a legal American firearm owner. Criminals always find ways to commit crimes even in extremely controlled environments such as prisons. Instead of blaming Americans blame Canadian manufactured criminals. Canadians sure seem ok sounding like scapegoating bigots these days. Its a real shame.

Ownedbyfew - The same application process for the legal purchase of guns exists here in Canada. Long guns are sold openly and we have just scrapped the registry which cost billions and made the movement and sale of them a legal mine field. But ownership of hand guns in Canada has be limited to those who target shoot or have recognized collections since the 1920s. As there are no manufactures of hand guns in Canada and unless someone is building their own, all of the hand guns come from outside of the country, and most of the time they come from the US. So if someone has one there is a 99% chance that it has been obtained illegally. Hand guns are smuggled across the boarder from the US. Just as managing your boarders to the south to prevent illegal entry is a challenge, so is managing the over 5,500 miles long boarder between the US and Canada. However since the article does not accuse the US or its gun policies of anything calling us all "scapegoating bigots" seems more than a little out of line.

@ JennyLee- You have persuaded me to regret calling all Canadians scapegoating bigots as it pertains to this issue. kind Regards.

There is a giant loophole for gun sale in America. At gun shows there is no requirement for backgroound checks on person to person transfers, no paperwork. Straw buyers are illegal but enforsement is almost nil. This is how many guns go into the underground market.

@ED- 2 private parties which are residents of the same state can transfer firearm ownership to each other. You still have to transfer registration of the firearms. Handguns usually at a police station. If the buyer has a carry permit depends on state i believe you can transfer the handgun and the buyer has 72 hrs to register the gun on their own. You cant outlaw criminality in the real world. You would have way more illegal transfers of firearms without a reasonable legal way to do so. There is no legal loophole.

Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) report on “Firearms Use by Offenders” found that fewer than 1% of U.S. “crime guns” came from gun shows.

And your sorry ass should go back to Europe (I'm assuming you are a white dude). Nice racist statement. What are you so afraid of? Fear and hate is weakness, not strength. If you've procreated I hope your kids do not grow up like you, and if you haven't, then don't have any. We do not need any more afraid and hateful people in this world. Get a backbone and a heart (oh yeah, and a brain).

If you're currently employed by the U.S. Military and stationed at Ft. Bragg, Mike Koston, your posts need to be sent to your commanding officer. You need some serious help with your rage and racism issues, Sir. Notice the word "if" in the first line of my post. I'm holding onto hope that you're nowhere near a military base much less working on one.

I don't live on a Rez and never did and I don't drink at all. Nor do I use western medicine. So go pop some more perscription drugs they are good for rotting your body.

I'm wondering if you really are "Native American". Why would you want Obama to go back to Kenya, yet not want "white people" to go back to Europe? I've meet several Native Americans and most of them still have a chip on their shoulder from when their people were slaughtered by the colonists. (I really don't blame them though)

but Obama is not from Kenya, so how can you deport him there. His dad was Kenyan so I guess to could try to deport him, but Obama is an American so I don't think the deportation thing would work.

We have elections, the freedom of speech and assembly, and the 2nd amendment, etc.. (e.g. the constitution)to keep our government check. So you are kind of right. again dude, you need to chill. Communists, people for better gun control and those who use western medicine are not out to get you.

That would be nice but not every white man is a Illegal President who is trying to destroy America.

He has never proved he is from here.

Also ask I never said I was military did I? Maybe I live with someone or maybe I live in Fayetteville but more people know right of hand where Bragg is compared to saying Fayetteville. Kinda like when you live in the suburbs of a city but you say your from the city instead.

Then were is he from?

Mike Koston,

You are barking up the wrong tree...

The questions to be asked:

Almost everyone that has a LEGAL Visa to the USA is required to have a US Citizen as a sponsor. This is to ensure that the foreigner does not incur bills that the US Government becomes responsible for. ie - welfare, health care, housing, etc, etc. The sponsor assumes the responsibility to pay these expenses...

1. Who Sponsored Obama's relatives, when they originally came to the USA and then over-stayed their Visas???

2. Why isn't this person repaying the US Government for the government & state aid these people have received???

Or are these records sealed, just like Obama's school records???

Mike Koston,

That birther bull@!$%# has been debunked as he has proven his US birth. Go ahead and go drill sergeant on me, you'll just be collapsed or suspended for repeated violations (harassment, name calling). You're just a bigot who claims to be Native American. Real Native Americans actually have some honor, a trait you seem to lack.

@ AC Robertson Gee!!!! you and millions of others would love to know this.

but the fact that our president of the USA did not show his birth cert. until much later shows something was wrong.

and I don't give a rats arse what color his skin is.

ans also I am sorry for those who lost their lives in this shooting .

And who deals the alcohol and prescription drugs and gets profit and taxes

Maybe you should ask the Brits and the Austrailans what happens when you put bans on firearms.

Guns cause death like pencils cause spelling errors.

AND spoons make Rosie O'Donald FAT!

@alim-2810059

Also like a car when the driver is texting.

When used as directed guns definitely cause death. When used as directed pencils do not cause spelling errors.

Illinois man

I use mine very often on the shooting range. Not one has yet caused a death. Unless you speak of the demise of the target of course.

And no law enforcement officer is obligated to defend you against criminals either, a court decision no less.

Being armed gives you a fighting chance against people who seek to harm you, being disarmed makes you an easy target.

Anyone can kill anyone anytime you don't need a gun. Would you rather have your skull crushed with a club. Or a good old fashioned strangulation.

Canada also doesn't have such a racially and culturally diverse country as we do, which - unfortunately - is a source of a lot of the violence that you're talking about, What just happened. Europe doesn't either, although the demographics are shifting up a little bit. You can't make a parallel between less guns and less violence in one country while ignoring the other variables in this country. That's an over-simplification.

God, guns, and guts keep this Nation free at any cost keep all three!!

Pencils should be banned or regulated as they have a sharp point and can be dangerous as a weapon.

Jpag, that's the first good laugh today -- no... Rosie O'Donnell makes Rosie O'Donnell fat !! It's choice that matters. She can 'choose' a descent diet (and exercise) and lose weight, or she can 'choose' to stay fat. Her choice seems obvious...

Why is it that so many of the apparent liberals, based on their own statements, cannot have a discussion on any topic without calling someone who disagrees with them a string of mean-spirited names and insults? I read these things just for laughs... and the apparent liberals based on their attitudes and ideas seem to be the most intolerant, least diverse of all.

When it is a crime to own firearms, only criminals, and dictators, will own firearms, as clearly demonstrated in places where firearms are illegal. If I have firearms, they will never harm anyone unless that "anyone" is intent upon harming me or someone in my presence!! (Desperate people do desperate things... maybe we need to treat mental health the same as all other physical illnesses?? Sorry, different topic.) How many dictators have made owning firearms illegal so they can dominate and terrorize citizens armed only with sticks and stones to defend themselves? No thank you! Our Constitution has the Second Amendment for a purpose -- because King George III attempted to round up all firearms to repress the Colonists. They refused, kept their firearms, defeated the tyrant, and we have had freedom for over 200 years. We must remain wise enough to maintain the freedoms we earned by respecting the Constitution and ALL amendments. Thanks to all who have served from that Revolution to today!!! And may God bless the U.S.A. ... again....

No, the article only "implied" the officer was talking about gun control. I would suspect under the tension of the situation he wasn't thinking there is more to North America than Canada. Under those circumstances that seems forgivable.

I learned in Basic Training that it is much easier to kill someone with a gun than with a knife or bare hands.

There is less violence in Canada because of the strong social safety net. Less desparate people.

...strong social safety net... Being Canadian living here in the States you don't have a clue about social programs, they're NOT FREE! My father pays 55% marginal tax, middle class still working... He was diagnosed with kidney cancer that hadn't metastasized and was told it be SIX TO NINE MONTHS BEFORE THEY COULD REMOVE IT! I’d rather live here in the States with a much lower cost of living, have my kidney removed within a week or two, and see where my money goes than have all the hidden taxes in Canada.

it's despErate :)

How are they communists?

How are they not?

Obama and Clinton want to deprivatize all industry and have it turned over to the state? No.

Do you think either of them own stocks? I'm betting they do and if so that makes them capitalists. They own a part of company or another way to say it is "the means of production". In communist societies the state owns the means of production, not individuals i.e. shareholders.

Please tell me why they are communists?

You don't think they want government control of everything? Your out of you mind.

There's a difference between communism and socialism... and progressivism, while similar, is a watered-down version of even that. So calling them communists wouldn't really be fair, Mike, but you might get away with neo-socialist. Might.

Why, again, are so afraid?

no Mike... it's you that's out of your mind. In fact I would surmise you never had one to start with. You're merely a reflection of what you hear daily on your beloved Faux News spews

Back to the cold war again? OK history lesson.

Capitalism outspent communism and communism collapsed in russia. The right wing in America believe this is a vindication of the free market. The truth is more complicated. Neither extreme is the best for the majority of citizens.The extreme control of the communist system (central planning) strangled trade and opportunities. It restricted choice in the products. It was not close to what Karl Marx has envisioned. Capitalism, as practiced in the US, is not what Adam Smith conceived either. There is no free market. Immigration control sets labor prices. Subsidies give preferencial treatment to many industries and agriculture. Smith believed that the Joint stock company was bad. The managers tend to put their own interests above those of the owners. Us Ceo remuneration is out of proportion with profitability as compared with the rest of the world. Japanese CEOs on average, receive only 5% of of what American CEOs get when all sources are accounted for. Shareholders are being looted.

The truth is that the best econmomic system lies somewhere in between. A strong social safety net gives rise to more upward mobility. Well regulated (Responsible) Capitalism provides jobs and opportunity for those with entrepreneurial spirit to benefit from their ideas and hard work. This is why Canada ($363,202)has passed the US ($319,970) in household net worth for 2011.

The US economic system has a cyclic boom and bust. A strong social safety net would cussion the impact of the bust end of the cycle. Of course some people will abuse the system, but these numbers are only a tiny fraction of the population, statisticly negligable.

Seriously @Jimbo-5425025? You assume the perpetrator(s) had tattoos. Must have. Someone without a tattoo has no reason to kill, right? And with so many wars fought in the name of religion, I don't think "god" is going to help. Or maybe I'm just insecure...

...Dusty clean your Shades... I said MOST not ALL... Without FAMILY & RELIGION the U.S. has gone

down hill since 1970, when 25% of babies where born out of wedlock. Today it is 77% and all

taken care by OBAMANATION, his ILLEGAL CZARS, CRIMINAL CABINET and OBAMACARE.

God Bless America... AGAIN... SOON...

notta chance Jimbo... God don't bless no place where hateful religious fakes like yourself live

Hmmm, I would say since the 1970's there has been a massive push to be individualistic and not give a #@*$ about anybody else or society as a whole. "I've got mine, so why should I care". That's the culture we should be looking at, IMO. Got naff all to do with religion.

Google - 'Guntown USA'

Kennesaw, GA passed a law requiring ALL households to have and maintain a gun, 29+years ago...

There was a instant decrease in crime in the town outside of Atlanta, GA. Today their crime rates are well BELOW the US averages, with a population over 30,000...

There have been less than 5 murders in the city limits, during this time. Two of these were in a School Zone, where State & Fed Laws required there be NO GUNS. If I remember correctly the others were knifings and 1 was a crime of passion (wife, husband, boy-friend)...

reference - http://www.kennesawcommunication.com/2012/01/22/gun-town-usa-kennesaw-gun-law-shoots-down-crime/

"So many cases of unarmed persons unable to defend themselves in the face of criminals with weapons. "

You may want to live in a world where everyone carries a gun - not me. I like my guns - controlled.

Chris-5thape

Chris... I have to agree with the last part of your sentiment. To me control means hitting what I'm aiming at.

See, opposing sides of an issue CAN agree on some topics!

The average POLICE officer hits what he is aiming at about 30% of the time. According to my CCW instructor, a former POLICE Officer...

What makes you think a civilian that seldom shoots and/or is exposed to high-stress evens is going to do any better???

I have a CCW & former military, would I run into a uncontrolled event and start blasting away? Only if me or the family is threatened and the authorities are not there. Because the POLICE are going to shoot anyone with a gun...

LMAO!!!! Are you that Naive? Or just that Stupid?

Clearly you are just that stupid.

Yeah maybe your right but I can defend myself and my country.

I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy!

Mike please stay at home, with your fat ass planted firmly on your sagging sofa in your gov't assisted housing. We certainly don't want you having a stroke and becoming another tax burden on those of us who work for a living.

More than likely it means the infant got a scratch, but liberal media wants you to think it was more. Like I said earlier I would not put it past the Communist Liberal Government to do this just to add some fuel to their cause of trying to take Our 2A.

not only are you a fearful wimp but you also like conspiracy. you need to chill out. the world is not out to get you. That's the way fascists think and I'm sure you are not one of those.

I've already reported Mike Koston's comments as "inflammatory" but, clearly, the man is getting dangerously close to going postal. He doesn't need to lighten up, he needs a straight jacket. . .stat!

Ask I am completely calm just like your completely a fag. You sound just like a Commie yourself.

Actually I own stocks and they are doing pretty good right now. How's your portfolio doing? If its not doing well please don't blame it on the communists or homosexuals.

That's Columbine in a nuts shell. We faught.

@By the Border

"They are bringing Guns to what used to be Fist Fights or Knife Fights"

The old adage stands, don't bring a knife (or fist) to a gun fight.

This is the last time I will waste my time on your posts, Mike Koston. The Newsvine will take care of you. I just hope authorities can get to you before you actually harm someone with one of your real guns, not just that loose cannon you call your pie hole.

LOL for your info ask I don't own any guns you stupid @!$%# LMAO!!!!!

Hey Arse03:

If stupid people keep voting for liberalism, it won't be too long before Canada catches up with the US for gun murder rates. Law-abiding gun owners have to jump through hoops to obtain gun permits, whereas the criminals can get all they want. Do you think for a moment the weapons used by gangs are registered and legal? LOL!

The good ol' Libtard government in Ontario keeps throwing money at the "underpriviledged, inner-city" folk with block parties, after school programs and sports and the guns and gangs just keep on getting bigger and more ruthless! Just this summer, one Somali gang member shot another dead and his relatives had the gaul to say the GOVERNMENT wasn't doing enough to stop the gang violence! hahahahahaha! Both the deceased and the shooter were GROWN MEN! Other than locking these thugs up for good and throwing away the key, I'm not sure what the government should be doing.

Of course, the Conservative federal government wants to enact tougher legislation to get these idiots off the street, but the cry baby liberals screamed, "No....let's have block parties instead!"

@Lisa: Why don't you stop spoon-feeding yourself that pablum, be a big girl, and try to understand the issues of gun violence instead of painting an entire country with your big, wide, prejudiced brush! I doubt you'd appreciate anyone painting 'your kind' that way.

What other right would you libs like to see flushed down the toilet??You guys are pathetic. Move to a country alrerady socialized, do us all a favor please. I like my freedoms just the way they are. Nothing like hating America and what it stands for. Do you guys burn flags, just wondering??

"stupid interpretation"..... simple question for you... Why would anyone have taken the time & effort to write the 2nd Amendment in the first place? All the power needed to raise, arm & train the militia was already handled within the body of the Constitution, so why the need to ADD an amendment? Did in any way EXTEND Congressional powers? Did it allocate additional funds? No, it acknowledges the need for a well-regulated militia is needed to secure the country.... then make it clear, the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

And if you would take the time to look at the words SHALL & INFRINGED, you would see that SHALL is an absolute, INFRINGED is encroach upon.... my right to own guns CANNOT be taken away by ANYONE.

ARSo3 Their murder rate from guns is approximately just under 200 per year; whereas in the U.S. the gun murder rate is 81/day=almost 30,000 per year

What you don't seem to understand, or maybe just refuse to acknowledge, ARSo3, is that of those 81 gun killings a day........the great majority are committed within the inner cities of this country........i.e..... are committed by blacks on blacks with illegal weapons. As I told sweet little misguided Lisa..............stop making PC excuses for a segment of the population that has gone down the toilet since Johnson's Great Society. You liberals just refuse to face the truth.........that your failed feel good solutions are the cause of all these killings not the NRA. Maybe that's why you need to blame others, just can't believe that you have made such a mess out of things that people are dying.

It's actually easier to move into the US than it is for a citizen to move out of the US to another country. Many have sterner immigration laws than we do, something the conservatives envy. I'm moderate liberal, but I own guns and believe in the right for sane, respectful people to own them for collecting, sport and protection, so don't lump us all together. Do you think that if the gun loving conservatives had things their way, you'll have any freedoms left?

I'm happy America is failing, maybe we will finally humble ourselves so can start working with the rest of the world instead of trying to dominate other countries with everything we think we're superior at. The @!$%#ing GOP in Congress is impossible for the president to work with because they spend more time trying to overturn a Constitutionally sound health care bill instead of trying to create jobs and balance our budget and then blaim their failures on him. Do you think that a Republican in the Oval Office will do any better? Get Romney elected and he'll send the troops we brought back home after the end of the Afghanistan conflict back to continue whatever conflict Bush put us there in the first place or make up a new reason and make them want to kill us more. The wealthy and religious organizations (doesn't matter if they're non-profit or not, profits are usally listed as "donations," even if they are selling something) will continue to get tax cuts while the lower classes can only hope their next tax return will help them pay a few overdue bills. He kisses the Christian Right's ass even so they don't actually like Mormons but are settling for him because their first choices have been proven to be too wacked out and extreme to get to the top of the polls and the nomination. If he gets a Republican majority in both the House and Senate, overturn a few Constitutional laws... we can kiss our rights as a non-Christian good-bye. There will be no freedom of religion, no freedom of the press... the freedom to vote will be limited to certain people. Evolution will be illegal to teach or believe in and people can be arrested and charged for things that are currently legal, but controversial by the Right's standards -- Abortion, contraception, homosexuality, the practice of a non Judeo-Christian religion (Note, LDS followers consider themselves Christian and shares the same political interests as the Southern Baptists). The Right to Own and Bare Arms will be limited to those who are loyal to the Republican Party. You might look foward to the US become the Christian Nation the Hard Right always claims this country to be, but the majority of the nation doesn't.

Canada currently has a Republican parliament, but at least they can maintain a secular government with little controversy or interference.

like your 666, pretty much says it all for me. Good-luck with that!

Yes the answer is Liberals, we sincerely wish you the best of luck when you walk up to the armed gun man and try to tell him how WRONG he is for shooting you dead. And as you stand before your best buddy Allah, you can think to yourself how you might have been alive IF you hadn't been stupid about gun control....

Signed

TeaBilly

Look at your local crime reports. Violent crimes are predominantly committed by welfare-leach, Obama supporters; not law-abiding NRA members. Leave it to a jackass with "Facts" in his name to not have a clue about the facts. Typical leftie rhetoric. The Tea Party and Sarah Palin, while they have vastly more intelligence than you could ever understand, have NOTHING to do with this story. Go back to your coloring books and your despicable spokes-mouth Bill Maher.