And it would have been 100x messier.

Wait a minute here, I thought D. Trump and other millionaires said they got that way because they are smarter and more resourceful than average working stiffs. What gives?

She's a stripper and now a millionaire?!? Will you marry me....?!?!

If you are going to go for a stripper, at least go for a young one in their 20s.

I agree. I am sure any stripper out there that wasn't already married would have jumped at the chance to get $3.25 million. Heck if she stuck around until he kicked off she could have gotten all of his estate. $3.25 million however is a nice chunk of change and she and her current boyfriend should enjoy it for a while.

what part of lap dancer...did he not understand...before marriage...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQhTC0GuRCo

What a minute. Why am I the only one surprised that sexual activity diminishes after marriage? What a relief I thought it was me!

scir91onYouTube

If you read the artical you would know she was about 30 when they met.

the lady was not in her 40's and stripping, if you read the artical and can do math you would have seen..

the man is currently 58- she is 14 years younger, 44 now

they met in 1998, 14 years ago so 44-14 is 30, given the vagarities of time ( she might not be 44 yet and we dont know when in 98 they met) you could say she was 29-31 when they hooked up. not really old and washed up you know, she would be younger at the time than charlize theron, naomi watts, sarah michelle geller, milla jovovich, jennifer garner, eva longoria, angelina jolie etc are now. i doubt she is in their league but i promise shes out of your wifes league

officeworkers are always so touchy about their age and ass size. Ever notice.

#1.6....All I can say is that you are a complete fool! There are some extremely attractive 40 year olds out there. With their beauty and mature minds they put many 20 year olds to shame. Today's 20 years old act like they are about 11 years old. Using your description the sagging teats, thinning hair, and being "dry" makes it sound like you are describing a 65 year old woman. I find that telling. You most likely have very little experience with women of any age. Now, how about Halle Barry and Nicole Kidman....Both in their 40's, they are nowhere near as gone as your description of a typical 40 year old.

Agreed!!!

If you want to play you have to pay. Nothing is FREE.

I am sure the people making these comments about a 40 year old woman would feel the same way about a 30 year old woman. It is simply a lack of knowledge and maturity. They don't realize that age really is just a number, and being 40 doesn't mean that a woman is saggy up top and dry in her nether regions. The arguments are so incredibly ludicrous that they aren't worth taking offense at.

Yet you did. But, saying that, I totally agree with your assessment.

I'm not taking offense at them. There are a lot of people who are, and I think it is silly. It is hard to do anything but laugh when you hear an assessment of a 40 year old woman who is suffering from vaginal dryness. Granted, I am several years from 40, so maybe when I hit the big 40 the joke will be on me, and I will say to my girlfriends, "Dude," (because I am sure that is how we old biddies will address each other), "scir91onYouTube was right. My hoohah is drier than a drought in the Grand Canyon. Can someone please pass the Summer's Eve? I'm about to start a fire over here." But somehow, I think I will still be laughing.

I'm going to go take a cold shower now.

Quit yer whining and grab some massage oil people!

FuzzyBear your comment #1.17 has GOT to be one of the best in this whole thread. :)

If you read the artical you would know she was about 30 when they met.

I guess he never heard the old adage: "How do you get a woman to stop phuking you? Marry her."

I wonder if he is going to give her the money $1 at a time......

At his age you would think he would know better! Just because your married dont mean your sex life is a forsure thing..Bet thats the most expensive kat he will ever pay for..meow..she can now purr to the tune of 3.25 million.. But when you start paying for some thing it should not surprize you if you have to pay for it in the years to come..or for services you had gotten..live and learn..

Reminds me of another old saying. "You can have just about anything you want on this earth, if you're willing to pay the price".

When I got married, the priest told my wife and I to put a jar on our night table.

Then every time we have sex, put a jelly bean in it.

Do this until your first anniversary and you'll fill it up.

He then said to take a jelly bean "out" of the jar very time you have sex starting after your first anniversary and you'll never empty it.........

..................He was right. (Our 28th is coming up & the jar is still half full) UGH! ;-)

There is only a 14 year difference between their ages. I don't consider that "much older." Most women I know are in relationships with men 10-15 years older than them. As Fuzzybear said above, age is really just a number and 14 is not that much. 58 and 44.

@myspellcheck...you are absolutely right. My ex was 20 years older than me. The age difference didn't bother me...it was a bonus..as I thought he would be more "mature". (Oops...my bad.) My husband now, is 10 years younger than me, far more mature and responsible than my first ever could hope to be. We've been married over 10 years and I'm still "throwing jelly beans in the jar"... Age means almost nothing when you meet your soul mate.

This woman used her body to make money(lap dancing)and he is surprised and calls her a golddigger? She was doing her job and you fell for it.(her body) You pay the price. Nobody pushed you into the strip club.

The next words out of her mouth: HaHaHa SUCKER!

Money won't buy happiness (but he obviously rented it for quite a while!), it also won't buy brains either!

skeeter-339704I wonder if he is going to give her the money $1 at a time......

Oh hell that was a good one!

Wait a minute here, I thought D. Trump and other millionaires said they got that way because they are smarter and more resourceful than average working stiffs.

It doesn't matter how smart you are. If you get a hot enough chick, and we all turn retarded.

How are the two related again Sir Idiot?

liam-1161783

Suckers and sex....ha ha ha.....suckers and big money.....ha ha ha...now Americans are being deluged with anti Obama ads from Big Money Republican attack ads, which will get really filthy in the months to come...Sheldon Adelson alone has pledges $100 million to throw out Obama, because he sees Obama as anti-business ( his business is gambling casinos !)

YOU are the doofus, useful idiot tool. REPUBLICANS will get filthy? And Obama is as clean as the wind-driven snow? What you need is to get a full strength dose of the Marxism that Comrade Obama is ladling out. I hope you lose whatever property you now own, because s&*%stains like you are the envious lampreys that suck the life out of others. And you're such an ignoramus, you'll STILL claim it's the fault of the Republicans. Choke and die, you scum.

Don't feed the political trolls.

Well, considering the fact that I'm turning 47 and I still gush and squirt...and my breasts are still nice and perky.... and I'm the same size I was before I had my first kid 21 years ago...... I just find his post laughable. He's obviously a very...inexperienced, immature little boy who's never experienced....a real woman....and probably never shall....

Man, I don't get all you people who say sex stops when you get married. You obviously married the WRONG person! Or they married the WRONG person. heh

We all know she married him for his money as did he. He got a prenup which was the smart thing and now they are divorcing so just pay her the money you owe. People marry for different reasons all the time love, money, status, pre-arranged, pity (my wifes case for marrying me), lust, sex or just to get away. I don't judge her as I don't judge him for any of their reasons but when it's over it's over and time to pay up.

In the venerable words of the bully on the Simpsons, "Ha, ha."

Face it, he knew what he was buying and got a lawyer to write it up. Now that his lap dance has become a lump dance he wants a trade-in for a new model. Now he gets to pay.

Hell, why get married in the first place? I tried it once, been there done that.. & years later, after divorce, I came out asking one question: "Why?"

Having a live in GF.. or two.. is much more rewarding in my experience.

Giggity!

The pair had lived together for a number of years before getting married, but the man complained that after marriage the quality and quantity of "intimate relations" declined steeply, which she reportedly disputed.

Dude, take a number. The night before I got married, an older married man told me: "Get a jar, put a marble in it for every time you and your fiance have sex. Now, the day after you're married, take out a marble whenever you have sex. At you're 50th wedding anniversary, that jar still won't be empty."

Speaking as a woman...

If that's the truth, you need to figure out what you're doing wrong!

Why does a bride smile as she walks down the aisle? She knows she's given her last BJ. For some reason, my wife loves that joke;)

wghky - So did my EX WIFE!!!

wghky...i heard it a little different but your's is good!

i heard there is a food that once consumed by the woman she will no longer give a bj....the food is wedding cake!

Heh, the judge knows what's up.

Women stop putting out when they got the ball and chain on ya. They know they are good for half at that point so their work is 'done'.

Guy's only mistake was he didn't limit the stripper to a low enough payout. Should have capped her at 1 million. That's a 100k salary a year for 10 years. More then enough for professionally taking off your clothing.

*Sigh*

And this is why I'll never marry a westernized women, ever. Once married they no longer feel obligated to actually do anything, after all your attention is now "free". From their point of view the worst that could happen is you divorce, giving them your money and freeing them to openly pursue other men.

Yeah I know, I've got a dim view of the world, but when everyone you know has been divorced, some multiple times, you tend to take a dim view on "marriage".

!

Sometimes a 'dim' view is all the clarity one needs in life.

theotherguy

I suspect if you marry a stripper -- westernized or not -- for her looks and sex you're not the brightest bulb on the block.

BTW, men who will "never marry a westernized woman" are looking for a female slave, not a woman to be their friend, partner, and lover for life.

All these guys complaining their wives won't have sex with them: you guys are doing something SERIOUSLY wrong. Women love sex. Apparently, just not with you.

theotherguy....I agree with you 100%. I married a nice Asian and everything has been great. There is none of this belligerent PMS stuff, the American princess syndrome, do nothing syndrome, etc.

Pragmatist...are you kidding me? American/some other western women are just abusers...nothing anyone can do can please them; this is why they tend to divorce anyone and everyone within just a few years. I think they all think they are the Queen of England and are entitled to have their arses kissed or it is considered abuse. It is a western entitlement\market economy culture is what it is. Love is not buying the woman a bunch of expensive diamonds and other expensive stuff...if you find demanding women like this, better to dump them than get royally screwed. American women are mostly prostitutes.

TraceyS,

No we're not. Most men get excited at the whiff of a female and more then often want to have sex with their wives. Desire on the male end is not lacking. And it's the same guy she screwed for a year or two years etc before she married him. So you can't say it's technique or she would have bailed long ago before the ring was on the finger.

Women are seeing sex in a relationship as a 'chore'. Once married they realize that he cannot 'leave'. Hence no threat to the woman if she no longer does that 'chore' or does it infrequently. I throw this back on you. It isn't the guy doing something wrong, it's the WIFE doing something wrong.

AmericanPauper........American women are mostly prostitutes? How's your mail order bride doing?

@Cniht: Women don't see sex in a relationship as a chore, most of us love it. But when you get married and the husband stops wooing you and making an effort to still "date" you/be romantic after he finally seals the deal, many women feel unappreciated and taken for granted. That said, if you get lazy and take the woman for granted, she's going to lose some interest in getting intimate with you.

Why would a woman want to stop giving bj's after she gets married??? I don't get the mentality of all you people out there. Maybe it's because I have a healthy, happy and very fulfilling D/s relationship. But for me...bj's are as enjoyable as all other types of sex. Maybe you all need to work on your intimacy a bit. It definitely helps when there's no breakdown in the relationship. I love knowing that my Man is the strong, dominant person in our relationship...who respects me.. but also knows how to use me and take charge of a situation (and no I'm not talking about abuse or rape). Love and caring is as integral to a healthy relationship as the passion and lust. You men should take a cue from the fact that sooo many "housewives" out there are eating up the "Shades of Grey" books. Most women want a strong, passionate and creative man... who thinks of new, kinky and fun ways to be intimate. Get a little creative and I guarantee you'll get more bj's and more sex. Stop blaming it all on the women cause... honestly....sometimes you guys just get so lazy your wives probably can't get wet enough to enjoy the sex. It's not just the women who make the sex decline in marriages...as often.. it's the guy's fault also.

How about when the husband is not willing ? After I had our first child, and got back into excellent shape, no more action. My husband said he looked at me and saw responsibilities instead- and the child was his idea ! That started 23 years ago and hasn't changed. Not what I had envisioned.

Any man that gets married in today's society is a moron. The odds are the relationship will go bust and you will be in financial and emotional ruin. Marriage is a scam and any smart man should do without that very expensive piece of paper. Marriage means nothing now.

Laughs....poor rdonham... he obviously can't find a woman who wants him and will stay with him....I find it so amusing when guys whine like you do rdonham... it says soooo very much about the type of person you are....and aren't....

Mail order .... wtf .... you people obviously haven't been outside of the Euro-American culture.

It has nothing to do with "slavery" or some-such nonsense and everything to do with cultural values. There is a very real pressure to keep the family unit intact no matter the personal cost. Wives and Husbands are both expected to sacrifice for the family unit. The husband is expected to work his a$$ off to provide financial support to the entire family, his job isn't a personal "exploration" or hobby its a means to an end. The wife is expected to educate and maintain the family unit while providing support to the husbands while he's seeing to their financial needs. Quickest way to have an East Asian wife divorce a husband? Have him be unwilling to provide for the family.

I've been living in South Korea for nine years now working as an Engineer for an American Company. Overseas assignments pay good money and provide great career opportunities. I haven't married yet, haven't found someone that I feel is long term compatible though there have been many GFs. Most of my friends and co-workers are married though.

Now story time. Myself, one of my coworkers and his family (wife + 2 kids + mother and sister inlaw) were out eating dinner. Gamjatang (pork spine / ribs in a spicy potato stew) was what we were eating, eating over here is a very social event along with drinking. During the conversation she complained to her mother that she didn't like her husband playing video games and drinking at home. Her mother immediately reached across the table and slapped her hard. She then started yelling at her daughter in korean, I couldn't understand all of it but what I could get out was that she was telling her daughter that she should be happy that she knew where her husband was and that he was home and not out wasting money with someone else. The restaurant got very quiet, needless to say we all never ate together like that again and she never complained to her mother like that again.

That is the biggest difference between people from conservative cultures and liberal ones (not political party speaking here). Liberalized cultures teach their children to seek self fulfillment over family responsibility. Conservative cultures teach family responsibility over self fulfillment. When the primary goal of marrying someone is to form a family unit, marrying someone from a liberal culture is a recipe for disaster. Marriage is a long term commitment, not one year, two years or ten years, but thirty to fifty years. If after seven years the liberal women gets bored with the family life and decides to seek fulfillment via another career or romance, she is encouraged to divorce her husband and take his money.

Our ancestors had it right, marriage isn't about "lust / love" it's about forming a family and providing a stable environment to raise kids. If the two people are deeply in love then it's better, but if they fall out of love or their love is short term then breaking apart the family unit is not an answer. That goes for both women and men, men don't get to play around or get off scott free from the responsibility shackle.

*All references to male / females may be reversed should the situation reverse itself. If a women has a higher earnings potential then her partner then she'll be the one out making money and he'll be the one at hope raising the kids and taking care of the family unit. That's exactly how I was raised, mom worked and dad stayed home to take care of the kids.

A clarification to my above statements. When I use the term "Westernized" I'm referring to the Euro-North American culture and it's values. The concentration on individual desires being more important then family and community desires. That's great for a short to moderate non-serious relationship, or when your young and exploring your life. That's the worst attitude possible for marriage, a commitment that is life long and involves raising kids.

Liberal partners are fine for traveling to Phuket, Bali, Tokoyo, Sebu, Dubai, India, Singapore, Hong Kong, Bejing, Sydney or Brisbane. Hiking up mountains, going on trips and seeing the world. For raising kids, paying the mortgage, buying groceries, saving for college and attending open houses, and growing old you want a conservative minded partner.

This isn't a slap towards liberal women, it's the stark truth about live and long term permanent relationships. You've priced yourself out of the market and come with an increased risk of divorce and broken home lives.

Theotherguy,

Responsibility a shackle? You've been living in South Korea for the past nine years, working for an American company? No one worthy of marriage but many girl friends? You obviously have many pre-conceptions regarding American or "western" lifestyles. You also appear to be quite condemnatory of the "westernized" life, yet you are dating your tail off and not committing to a long term relationship. You also appear to condone violence against any women who would dare raise her voice to complain about a husband who exhibits selfish behavior. No wonder you're not married! With your ridiculous preconceptions and selfish view of what constitutes a "long term" relationship you will never find yourself bogged down with the horrific shackles a long term commitment brings, or if you do, I guarantee the woman you marry will be meek, easily dominated and have a mother who will slap her if she complains about the abuse...!

Women are just as deserving of the lifestyle you, yourself are living. That marriage is becoming passe isn't the fault of Euro-North American culture. It is far more due to the selfishness of individuals of either sex who are more pre-occupied with "scoring" than with a long term relationship. That you subtly brag about dating many girls over the past nine years and are still single firmly places you in the category of someone who is focused on self gratification without regard for the feelings of others. The world is lucky that people such as yourself have not found anyone desperate enough to marry them and reproduce. Your offspring would surely be forever tainted by your warped views and self serving, sexist ideals!

Umm ... wtf?

You just completely misconstrued and twisted my words into ideas that were not present, then attacked those ideas. Good job on the straw man. You'd make a fine politician, or news writer.

You got about three sentences into my post then went off on a rant, if you would have actually read it you would of noticed at the bottom that I stated it doesn't need to be the women who stays home. ~Someone~ needs to be doing the home making, or you get kids raised by the TV and day care.

Marriage is about responsibility first, take your liberal BS ideas and throw them out the door. Responsibility to the kids and to the family unit. Any other way ends up with a 50%+ divorce rate and nightly news shows talking about the "sanctity of marriage in the USA". If your just enjoying live then you can do that perfectly fine while living together, when the relationship no longer works for one or the other then it can be broken without major consequences. Marriage is about saying that no matter what you'll stay together and if problems arise that require sacrifices that you will make them.

The rest of your post is nothing but rhetoric spouting out without focus or rational.

Life isn't fair, never has been fair and never will be fair.

Just reread and it's much much worse....

Women are just as deserving of the lifestyle you, yourself are living

Did you even read what I wrote? What fcking lifestyle are you talking about? The one where the man works 60~80 hours per week to not only bring home enough money for current expenses and kids college funds but also to obtain promotions and further financial capability? It doesn't need to be a male doing this, I would gladly stay home and raise the kids should my "future wife" be a professional with more earning potential then myself. Raising kids / home making is a full time job in and of itself, it requires someone to do it, the gender doesn't matter.

Or are you talking about my living abroad and enjoying my youth? Women are not bared from that in any way shape or form. They can have as much fun as they want, no argument from me. You must have me confused with some crusty southern baptist preacher, maybe that's who your arguing against. I have ZERO qualms with a women going out and enjoying herself, life is meant to be fun. What I have qualms against is AFTER MARRIAGE women thinking they have the same freedom as before, that they can just go out and do whatever and if their marriage is proving inconvenient they can just break it. That marriage is somehow an achievement or the final goal of a relationship.

Also I'm not bragging, and if you feel so then you might want to examine your own self esteem or lack thereof.

Theotherguy,

guess I touched a nerve eh? Just like you touched one when you went off on a toot against Euro-North American cultural values. I'll grant that we have gone backwards but you don't even live here! Were you raised in America and moved to South Korea as part of a career move?

BTW, I AM married to a beautiful lady and have been with her for a good portion of my fairly long life (we'll celebrate 36 years next month). Together we raised two wonderful children who have grown into responsible adults. I am also a grandfather and not some liberal who is full of BS. I know what it takes to make a relationship work, it's called mutual respect, a willingness to compromise, and helping each other get through each and every day no matter what you face. My wife and I are a team, and I certainly don't lack self esteem nor did I misconstrue what you wrote. You have very strictly defined what you believe constitutes the institution of marriage and I agree with some of what you wrote but ONLY some!

In your second to last paragraph you write of living abroad and enjoying your youth and while there is nothing wrong and much right about the life you are pursuing it is alarming that so many of your generation appear intent on doing this to the exclusion of starting a family. I don't know precisely what you mean by enjoying your youth, but since you refer (not brag) about dating many women over the course of nine years, I jumped to a conclusion that may not be representative of what you meant to communicate but here is how it came across to me: many women + 9 years + no commitment + enjoying your youth = a lonely life focused on shallow, sex based relationships. Sorry if that P-ssed you off but that is the message you conveyed to me.

You used the word shackle in reference to responsibility as it relates to marriage. That is very telling to me in that it conveys the way you view a committed relationship. You also mention that a couple that marries, has children and then "falls out of love" should avoid breaking up the family? Or did I misread that too? An unhappy couple that fight and argue continually is not better for the children than breaking up the family unit. Divorce is tragic and especially when children are involved so we agree there but staying together for the sake of the children often means the children find themselves in the midst of hostile confrontations or even violence...NOT healthy for anyone!

I apologize for angering you and my post was certainly over the top but when you expound on long term relationships from the position of never having been in one you risk being misunderstood or putting forth unrealistic points of view that old farts like me take exception to.

You twisted my words to mean something you were thinking then attacked that meaning. It's a simple strawman argument. You did this by stripping the context away and creating a new context. Like I said you'd be a good politician or news writer.

That goes for both women and men, men don't get to play around or get off scott free from the responsibility shackle.

The only time I used the word "shackle" and used in the context that once you have a kid then your entire life is now devoted to the raising of that kid in a stable environment. That there is no getting out of that responsibility, no "finding yourself" or "honey this just isn't working". Marriage itself is a life long commitment, not a short term "hey your cute, lets get married" then later "I'm bored, lets get divorced".

It's also obvious that you've never lived outside of the USA. I was born in the USA, grew up in the USA and later took a job assignment overseas. It was a shocking experience, you get to see the world from a completely different point of view. Most if not all the assumptions you've made growing up are false. And after seeing different cultural values and how they play out in social relationships and the family unit, I can say with complete certainty the "west / Euro-American" model is doing it horribly wrong. We encourage our youth to seek out lives of self fulfillment. We teach them that nothing is more important then how they feel, we do this on multiple levels from the overt to the subconscious. And then when these youths later enter into permanent family relationships we wonder why we have such a high divorce rate. Well no sh!t what do people think happens when you put a bunch of people taught to self-centered (not selfish, different thing) together and expect long term commitments. All humans fight, conflict and disagreement is part of who we are. Two humans, no matter how "in love" they are will fight and have a relationship problem at some point in time. What that happens they will either work through them or give up.

And that is the crux of my argument. Western women (and man if your so inclined) will chose to give up rather then sacrifice or compromise. This is evidenced in the sheer number of divorces due to "irreconcilable differences", aka we have a problem and don't want to fix it. Take a trip to East Asia, Middle / South America, or Eastern Europe and you find a vastly different cultural approach to the problem. The option of "giving up" comes with severe social stigma and there is immense pressure from the family's to maintain the family unit. Maintaining the family unit is more important the individual desires and if one or both members needs to sacrifice something then so be it.

Again I have a dim view, but it's only dim due to the sheer number of divorces I've seen. Both in my family and that of nearly everyone I know. This is why I refuse to marry a liberal women, not due to some misogynist beliefs but out of desire to avoid a future divorce and the mess that involves, especially if there are kids. If her life fulfillment is more important to her then establishing and maintaining a family unit, then I won't get in her (pejorative) way.

Define "long term relationship"? So far I've been in two major ones, one four years (took us that long to figure out we were not compatible long term) and one two year one (currently in). In between that was all the playing around. I took the advice of men much older and wiser then me, to not rush into marriage, and I'm glad I did.

Read what I wrote about my coworker, his wife and her mothers reaction to her complaining about her husband. He was a close friend of mine for many years, eventually he took another job in Germany and moved away. He would stay home at nigher and play computer games while drinking jack and coke, it was his stress coping mechanism. His wife was complaining about this and that she had to take care of the kids during the day. From the mothers point of view her daughter was complaining about a very stupid thing and missing the bigger picture. The man made good money, more then enough to support his family and provide for a future along with nice extra's like her shopping money. He had fulfilled his role in the family model while she was complaining about hers. This angered her mother who is a rather conservative person (she initially didn't like her daughters marriage to a foreigner).

That is the mindset that is needed for a functioning family unit. An understanding that each member has it's roles and responsibilities and appreciation for those who fulfill their roles. Not useless bickering, blaming and fighting about the toothpaste, the bed sheets, the toilet seat, or general dissatisfaction that the other member isn't prince charming (or some movie star).

And if you think East Asian women are "passive" then you've never EVER dated one.

Theotherguy,

Many very good valid points in your post however, my son is married to a native Japanese lady and my granddaughter is a result of that union. The part of your original post that caused me to go off was your seeming support of the mother slapping her daughter across the face, you seem to re-iterate that support here or am I wrong again? If I am than I apologize in advance for what I am about to write;

Slapping someone across the face in response to a comment is not acceptable here and I'm glad it isn't. Violence is not an answer to someones valid complaint about anything.

You also seemingly defend your friend who made good money and who liked to come home and drink jack and coke while playing video games as a way of coping with stress. You sound so much like my son it is eerie. Your friend is lucky to have someone defend him the way you do. Your friends wife isn't so lucky, she is in a relationship, one that has resulted in children she must care for. She has a husband who spends his evenings checked out of reality with the aid of computer games and alcohol. What's more, she can't even discuss her unhappiness with her own mother without getting slapped across the face! Do you suppose that is a happy situation for her? Do you think that her unhappiness has no bearing on the relationship with her husband or that it doesn't impact the children?

You label cultures as conservative or liberal, I know you understand that there are varying degrees. I also know you understand that in (geographically) small nations such as Korea, Japan, traditions and social practices are much more easily cultivated and maintained than in larger countries such as the United States.

I don't know where in the United States you were raised but I'll say this, I have been with my wife 36 years, we knew each other for 6 weeks before we married. I have three brothers all married for more than 30 years and a sister married for more than 30 years. My parents were married for more than 50 years. I have dozens of cousins, many dozens of nieces and nephews and only two divorces amongst all of them.

Attitudes toward marriage aren't just cultural, they have to do with the way families raise their children. You don't have to live outside the United States to know what is right or wrong with the institution of marriage. IMHO, marriage is a partnership, not a relationship where the man plays one role and the woman another. My wife and I both worked all our lives. I took on half the housework and she took on some tasks ordinarily performed by men. We supported each other and through all the years our love has grown into a bond as strong as forged steel. Still, were she to come to me and tell me she was done, I'd let her go.

Your friend, whose mother-in-law slapped her daughter for complaining, an act your post leads me to believe you support, should have taken notice, should have stood up for his wife's right to complain and should have apologized for making her so unhappy. When a complaint is leveled against us we owe it to ourselves to do some self reflection and honestly consider our role in the words or deeds that lead to the complaint don't we? I am doing just that in response to your posts.

Marriage is a partnership. Within the confines of that partnership there must be trust, genuine affection, generosity and equality. Equality between the partners is key. When one party seeks to dominate the other the relationship is doomed.

I am sorry to hear of all the divorce you've been witness to or impacted by. I understand how this can color your view just as you understand how living most of my life in one location colors mine. You hold your wide travels and exposure to other cultures up as evidence that somehow I don't understand the real world and that may be valid to a point...I hold up my long term relationship, stable life and the many long term relationships in my family as evidence that you ought not be so smug and self assured. I live in the USA, have all my life, my marriage and those of my very large family stand in stark contrast to the picture you paint. Statistics may be on your side but there are pockets of sanity left in our society where marriage still works.

Sighber, any chance you have a single brother in that "very large family" of yours? My mother and father were married almost 60 years before their deaths, 4 months apart, in 2010; my mother would never have slapped me across the face for telling her about the unhappiness in my marriage. I never remarried, alas, because I met too many ones like "Theotherguy1234".

here ya' go chuck...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MU91GUxtysI

To the kid trashing older women, my wife is in her late 50's and she is sexier now than at any time in her life. Sure, I'm biased but I also have eyes and ears and have noticed men much younger than she is giving her the eye and some openly flirting with her. Older women are the best IMHO. They are classy, beautiful, know what they like and aren't shy about telling you. Young and beautiful is great when you are young but too many young beautiful women don't age well or put on tons of weight. I am lucky and so are many other men with beautiful classy older wives!

Any man who wants a stripper for a wife is not thinking with the right part of his anatomy. True affection, intelligence, and good self esteem is far more valuable and attractive than the fleeting allure of youth and beauty without the aforementioned qualities.

sighber - great comment. :-)

They signed a pre-nup.

Yep, a 3.25 million lap dance pre-nup......

Damned! I missed my calling. All these years of actually going to work when I could have had it all!

Yeech. Between this guy and theChristian, Muslim, and Jewish religious nuts, I'm hoping that there is a substantial number of men on this planet who think with their brains rather than what is behind their zippers.

Pattie, there are no men with brains when a hot stripper is involved. I know firsthand but the memories are good.....

And women salivate like a dog with a t-bone when they all decide to go on a girls night out to Chippendales...but besides that they are so sophisticated. Well, except those Vampire flicks and books and various fruit. Not quite sure what they use to think with then. But besides that...

Seven - add some alcohol to the mix...

Actually guys, women have the same kind of thoughts that you do, but our idiotic culture keeps telling us women that this is bad and we are bad unless we pretend that we don't. Did I like the cover of the Born In the USA album? You bet your ass I did. That's why it galls me when the religious nuts start criticizing women and telling us to put an aspirin between our knees, like we don't have normal human reactions or something.

I wouldn't know from hot strippers, but a buff guy in tight blue jeans--voted up!

At least Pattie's honest. You always gotta respect people for being honest.

I agree, women are the same as men when it comes to sexuality. I could go into a long deep discussion about male patriarchs using control over sex as a tool of subjugation and control, mostly of young males. I'll be short, sex drive is an immense motivator, for both men and women. Older males can not fight off all the younger males in a tribe. Using social beliefs to enforce an artificial permission based system for access to sex was the perfect method for older males to ensure most younger males would follow them. Hence nearly every single culture in the world evolved some sort of societal access control over sex, typically based on the permission from the oldest male in the house / village. Violating this access control was often seen as violating the authority of that older male and thus grounds for expulsion from the family / village if not straight out death.

Did I like the cover of the Born In the USA album? You bet your ass I did.

Patti Scialfa?...is that you?

Oh wait, "Pattie" with an "e"...

When you marry for her "skills" expect to pay.

pattie in maryland..my gram use to say you unzip a mans pants and there brains fall out..

Patti Scialfa?...is that you?... Oh wait, "Pattie" with an "e"...

No, Bruce had to settle for a second Patti S from Jersey because he never had the pleasure of meeting THIS Pattie S from Jersey! He's been my major crush for over 30 years now!

Actually, this leads to a major point. Men are taught (wisely) from the git-go that there is a big difference between sexual attraction and love. Girls are NOT taught this crucial piece of information--that there is a BIG difference between finding someone to be sexually desirable and finding someone to be loveable. This is a key reason that women get into bad relationships. Nobody ever tells girls that sometimes a cold shower is preferable and that every "stirring" of your hormonal pot is not the great love of your life! I've always said that it was not a question of whether I wanted to have sex with a guy, it was whether i wanted to have breakfast with him the next morning. But this means acknowledging that I am a sexual being and that sometimes guys are just a pretty body with no brains, which are both totally taboo for women in this crazy culture.

Springsteen (whom I've never met) always seemed to be thinking about people and their emotions and what is going on around him, and his songs show an amazing emotional range and understanding. He's someone I would truly like to have a beer with. Nobody is perfect, but there always seemed to be something going on behind those beautiful brown Daisy-the-Cow eyes. Ah...but I digress...

pattie in maryland..my gram use to say you unzip a mans pants and there brains fall out..

They can't ALL be like that! Although there unfortunately is a substantial number who are.

One word. Inherited.

Oh please! What did he think was going to happen when he married a stripper? It's the job of these girls to pretend like they like these men.........to get their money. And what self respecting stripper wouldn't marry a millionaire.......with a 3.25 million pre-nup!

As the saying goes: can't turn a whore into a housewife. And there are just few good housewives( just kidding)

Figure it out. The woman was with him from the time she was 30 until she was 44. That is a longer marriage than many. He got away fairly cheap because of the pre-nup.

Say what? What did she do? His complaint was that they didn't have sex like they used to. Wow 14 years later and he's what? He's 58 now, maybe he just quit courting her. Agirl like to be wooed

sets women back how? she was married to him for 14 years - 4 better than half of all marriages

No, a woman like to be wooded.

You fools can't figure out what happened. He dumped the aging 44 yo broad for a younger honey and tried to stiff the stripper....No pun intended.

Women like that are the model of the women's movement, not their detriment.

She used every thing available to her to manipulate someone, and got out of it by screwing a guy out of 3.5 million. That's got women's movement all over it.

Guy was an idiot, should have capped the payout at a lower percentage of his estate. No more then 1 million max, and only after 10 years (of marriage). He was only married for 7 years, despite the 'live-in' status. Wear some age on her so she can't go right back to the pole and 1 million doesn't go that far. Much better chance of making it a permanent trophy catch. Which is what this guy was looking for, a trophy. He got outfoxed.

I'm not sure why people think she outwitted and outfoxed him. She was with him for a lot longer than many people are married. Tom Cruise couldn't even last more than 5 years with his last marriage. 14 years is a long time to be married. I would think if she had really "outfoxed" him, she wouldn't have waited 14 years. She would have only waited the minimum time the pre-nup stated they needed to be married. Unless it stated 14 years, then she did outwit him.

It's not like she stayed a few months and bailed; she stuck it out for 14 years! $3.25 million is less than 20 percent of his worth. I think he got the better deal. If she was a gold digger, she would have taken that $3.25 million much earlier.

if she was playing him why wouldn't she keep it going for 14 years hell she had everything she wanted plus she got the3.25 million.. and who's to say what her activity's were when he wasn't home! 14 years of a rich life style.

Yeah like the dude is a shining example of manhood...setting us all back another 75 years...way to go

her back-side maybe

If only he still looked like he did 14 years ago and treated her like the love of his life..... Oh my.

no red flag but the stripper pole should of been a big warning..

She was only 30 and he was 44 when they met.

Thanks Deb,

My point was, he was the DA. She'd still be hugging poles if she had'nt found this clown to sign a prenupt. When ever you sign a prenupt, it's to protect someone's interest so he should have signed it for about 150,000 a year.

Have you ever thought Tommy (though from your post I'm doubting you think much at all) that she got the short end of the stick in this relationship. This guy sounds like more than a bit of a loser, that he had to find a wife in a strip bar. If she was 29 and still working in a strip bar she was probably still in very good shape. Hell I look better now at almost 47 than I did when I was in my 20's. It's more than a little bit ignorant for you to think that age makes a woman less desirable. It just shows you have no common sense and you're an immature little boy who's never been with a real woman...and probably never will be. Guys like you who think that money is all a man needs...to be desirable.. are so very clueless. You guys say women only think about money...but you guys seem to think if you have money than that makes you something special... money doesn't make up for being worthless in every other department.

No TZ, it never came to light that she got the short end of the stick (No pun intended). I mean, we all know she was on track to make millions. Don't think I have a bunch of money, I don't but if I had what he had, after I die that money is going to my children. I agree with you, I have see alot of beautiful women in their 40-50's, but to me it sounds like their marriage was based on, she was getting was she was after and so was he. After that assumption, and the fact that she did clean him out for 3.25 million, sorry TZ, I'd rather have the 20 year old, and a prenupt for 150,000 a year and the rest would go to my children. Hea, that's just the way I would do it.

@Tz .

Umm .. you may not know this, but being rich is the exact opposite definition of being a "loser". I'd actually label that as a sign (not the only one) of being a "winner".

Do you know what you can do with 3M USD (people need to learn to use currency denominations more often)? He could of bought a small island in South East Asia, built a mansion on it and had 18 to 21 year old girls surround him, every day of every year, for the REST OF HIS LIFE. Laying on the beach drinking cocktails with servants to take care of every little detail and whatever he wanted for however long he wanted. Again for the rest of his life. And that's just with 3M USD, the other 14M would be sitting unused forgotten in a bank account somewhere.

Really, people have such a limited view of the value of money. F*ck lap dances, that's a promotional service not a product.

Ohh and never marry your service provider, doesn't work out well.

Funny. After he realized what he got for his money, he realized he liked his 3 mils more than her. What about Love? I guess she likes his 3 mils more than him as well.

Anybody else wants the 3 mils? let me guess....

3 mils can buy you a lot of lap dances.

like i said i bet thats the most he will ever pay for the kat...

hey Jersey Jeff - 100% true! LOL

I agree with you Mike. This was a cheap divorce. This man should be counting his blessings. I have read about hollywood's breakups where the couple wasn't together for 2 years and the lesser bread winner was given half of everything just to maintain a lifestyle that one has become accustomed to.

Girl got robbed!

It sounded like a legal and binding document and that the guy wanted to renage (don't know if I spelled it correctly) on the pre-nup that he had her sign in the first place. I can see where the judge told him he had to pay. A small price to pay considering his worth - I think he is getting off pretty good myself. Most pre-nups stand in court.