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Subscribe to RSSFighting continued for a fifth day near key government installations, indicating that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's control is faltering. As the opposition advances, Russia and China still refuse to support a resolution calling for tougher sanctions. NBC's Ayman Mohyeldin reports.
Updated at 7 p.m. ET: Russia and China vetoed a Western-backed U.N. Security Council resolution on Thursday that threatened Syrian authorities with sanctions if they did not stop using heavy weapons against an uprising and withdraw troops from towns and cities.
The 11-2 vote was the third time that Russia, a key ally of the Syrian government, and China have used their veto power to block U.N. Security Council resolutions designed to put pressure on Syrian President Bashar Assad and halt the violence in the 16-month conflict that has killed thousands of people.
The veto came on the same day that a Syrian opposition monitoring group said 250 people had been killed in fighting. The British-based Syrian Observatory for Human rights said 155 civilians, including 44 people in Damascus where pitched battles have raged for five days, and 93 security forces personnel were killed.
The number could not be independently confirmed.
The vetoed resolution would have extended a U.N. observer mission in Syria for 45 days.
A frustrated White House declared that Russia and China placed themselves on the "'wrong side of history" and the "wrong side of the Syrian people."
White House spokesman Jay Carney told reporters aboard Air Force One that the vote was "regrettable" and "highly unfortunate."
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The 11-2 vote, with abstentions from South Africa and Pakistan, was the third double veto by Russia and China of a resolution addressing the Syria crisis. The two countries are Damascus' most important allies.
Carney said the lack of U.N consensus "will have repercussions for the countries that vetoed the resolution for a long time in terms of how they're viewed by the Syrian people. Because there is no doubt that Syria's future will not include Bashar Assad."
Heavy fighting has been reported close to the Syrian government headquarters in Damascus – a day after a bombing killed President Bashar al-Assad's key security aides. Britain's Prime Minister David Cameron has issued him a direct warning; stand down - or risk a full blown civil war. ITV's Paul Davies reports.
He added: "It is a mistake to prop up that regime as it comes to an end."
Britain's U.N. Ambassador Mark Lyall Grant told the council he was "appalled'' by Russia and China's vetoes.
"The effect of their actions is to protect a brutal regime. They have chosen to put their national interests ahead of the lives of millions of Syrians,'' he said.
Britain has drafted a new resolution to extend a U.N. mission in Syria "for a final period of 30 days" and it could be voted on later on Thursday, diplomats said.
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His French counterpart, Gerard Araud, said proponents of strong U.N. action on Syria would not be dissuaded.
"We simply couldn't be accomplices of a strategy which brought together false diplomatic action and paralysis,'' Araud told the council. "This double veto will not stop us. We will continue to assist a Syrian opposition on its path to democratic transition in Syria.''
The vote creates uncertainty for the 300-strong U.N. observer mission in Syria, sent there to monitor a cease-fire and implementation of international envoy Kofi Annan's peace plan. The mission suspended operations amid intensified fighting. Its mandate expires Friday.
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Carney said the United States does not support extending the mission "without the necessary backup."
Fighting has continued around the Syrian capital Damascus for the fifth day in a row, and reports suggest President Bashar Assad may have fled the city to the northern city of Latakia. NBC Ayman Mohyeldin reports.
The veto came as fighting continued in Syria. Among key developments Thursday:
- Syrian rebel fighters took over three border crossings, including the Bab al-Hawa gate, a vital commercial Turkish border crossing. Rebel forces seized control of the customs and immigration buildings on the Syrian side of the northern frontier. Rebels also attacked Syrian forces and took two crossings along the Iraq border. Iraq sent troops to the Abu Kamal crossing, the mayor of Qaim, Fahan Fitaihan, said. In the remote Sinjar mountain range, rebels attacked a Syrian army outpost and killed 20 soldiers and their commander. "We have security concerns because the border crossing now is out of the Syria government's control, and nobody can anticipate what will happen," said Iraqi Army Brig. General Qassim al-Dulaimi.
- Rebels attacked the main police headquarters in Damascus, leaving dozens of security personnel and militiamen loyal to Assad dead or wounded, an opposition activist said. Rebels armed with AK-47s, small machine guns and explosive devices cut off two main roads leading to the complex in the central Qanawat district and attacked it at around 4:45 p.m., the activist said. Other opposition activists in Damascus said rebels had managed to blast their way into the heavily fortified complex and seize weapons before withdrawing, following a one-hour firefight.
- About 20,000 Syrians traveled across the main border crossing into Lebanon in the day since fighting tore through several districts of Damascus, a Lebanese security source working at the border said. The number of Syrians, many of them day-workers, who travel through the official Masnaa border crossing usually hovers around 5,000 per day, the source said.
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"Two Monkeys - Blood on their hands" Vernon Francis
Time for the US to withdraw from the UN and tell 'em to relocate elsewhere - Somalia perhaps.
The UN needs to disappear. What a useless organization. It had potential until politicians got ahold of it, but hey, that's usually how everything goes.
The UN is a black hole for US money.
Patsy - Your assumptions are wrong. Clearly, you scream loud when we veto resolutions against Israel - but it is ok with you if Russia and China veto resolutions against Assad murdering 17,000 civilians.
Patsy....you see the difference is you claim Israel is attacking
when in reality it is defending itself.
But most likely you are an anti-semite...and nothing would ever change your way's.
Don't take any right wingNUTS seriously.
I never thought that I would say this. I don’t condone the atrocities being committed by Syria’s regime against their people, but for once I agree with the stand Russia and China are taking, vetoing UN Syria sanctions. Perhaps they both know that widespread upheaval and killing would follow Assad’s demise. With radical Islamists in charge, anything could happen and the conflict could widen well beyond the region, dragging everyone in. Do we really want that to happen? I don’t thing so!
Well, that’s my opinion.
Mr., Russia and China know that getting involved with Syria is like stepping into a quick sand pit.
how about we withdrow out 55 percent of the budget we put into the UN, tell the other members of you UN u wanna fight us on everything then pay your own way,
withdraw US force from the UN and stop ALLL Aid going to EVERY country,hmmm i feed you you plan terorist attacks against me not feed you you die, war without bullits Gorden Gecko For President
KC
I get what you're saying. But without UN guidance, radical Islamic rule is inevitable. If we don't do something, Assad will continue to kill. If you're right, and this does lead to his demise, there's a very high chance that a radical Islamic government will take over (see Egypt for a reference. The country that elected it's own government after Mubarak left)
Our problem with dealing with other countries in the past is that the U.S. has normally gone in alone when building or rebuilding a country. If the U.N. at some point chooses to get involved, we'd actually have to (and get this) work...TOGETHER! Which is nearly impossible to do with China and Russia around.
Good work russia,China.
"Russia, China veto UN Syria sanctions..."
In the words of that eminent statesman, Gomer Pyle: "Surprahs, surprahs, surprahs, Sergeant Carter!"
So, patsy, over 1,200 missile attacks by homas is okay. That was the year before the quick invasion of Lebanon by Isreal.
How many missiles are needed before it is okay?
If Russia was smart, they would have abstained and let China take the heat since they only needed one veto. Assad's regime is nearing its end, and this will not be looked upon favorably by the rebels when they take over.
Of course, we don't know if the new regime will be anti-American either. It seems strange that Bush was able to work with the Russians and Chinese to get things done, but Obama doesn't seem to have much influence. It must be that 'leading from behind' strategy that makes them thumb their noses at us.
do any of you think if we rebelled our government would react any differently? seems we had a homeland slaughter of protesters in the 70'5
of course Russia(putin) Vetoed it they are preparing for something much Bigger.
Well I can understand China's vote. That would be hypocrisy.
While publicly America portrays the UN Sanction as a peace effort aimed at halting the civil war, secretly, America want Assad to remain in power, but at the mercy of the Western powers. The primary purpose of the UN sanction is to prevent various weapons from adjacent nations flowing into the hands of Syrian rebels. The Syrian government is well armed with tanks, rockets, helicopter gunships, and several divisions of infantry. Without an adequate and steady supply of arms, the rebel offensive would have grounded to a halt last year.
To counter the well armed Syrian government forces, Russia is supplying the rebels with fancy RPGs that defeats reactive armor, a few 20mm and 'Kat' rockets while China is supply the rebels with AK-47 assault rifles, light mortars and other small arms. Much of the arms are smuggled by sea and land, financed by special interest groups and extended credit from China and Russia. As to the Syrian rebels' few heavier weapons, the 40mm, tanks, and artillery, they have been captured from numerous government defectors as well as through take-over of some government armories.
The Civil War in Syria is a deadly proxy war played out by Russia/China and America as to who shall exert control or influence over post-civil war Syria. For the past two decades, both Russia and China have witnessed America's unbribled military aggression in the Middle East, from blatant invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan to subtle military operations in Yemen and Somalia. The constant sabre rattling between Iran and America only increased the concern that America will invade Iran, a back-door to interior of Russia and China.
In all wars, the first casualty is truth. Americans should have learnt that lesson long ago during the Vietnam War when the US government propaganda brainwashed the America people to sacrifice more than 58,000 of her precious sons and daughters for nothing. Nothing, except for the war mongers and war profiteers. And lest the American people forget there is the daily reminder that nearly 10,000 body bags came home from waging the current 10th year of wars in four Middle East countries under the nebulous cause of "War on Terrorism."
If America is so interested enforcing a UN Sanction for a Middle East peace, America should unilaterally withdraw military forces from Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen and Pakistan and halt all aggression against these nations.
Its Syria's civil war not ours. What do you think obummer would do if the people marched to DC and demanded he step down? Yep bullets would be flying just like over there. Do you believe all the countries of the world would rush over here to stop the civil war? Don't hold your breath. Many nations would like to see us fail because we stick our big noses in matters of other countries where it don't belong. Thats the number one reason for hatred towards us.
NaughtyMossy
That's a post I see on here every day. And the answer is no, our government wouldn't react any differently. BUT you have to take into account what happened in Syria before this was a full blown civil war. It was peaceful protesting met with bullets and tear gas fired by the Assad regime killing men, women and children. After that, why would you expect anything less than a full blown civil war?
After seeing the images of half dead children shot in the head by Assad snipers, he lost all credibility and any support he had left from the western world. the international opinion of Assad is complete crap now. And without Russia and China, he would've been out of office a year ago.
Going back to your comment though, I can't imagine any U.S. president NOT stepping down after that much blood shed.
Russia could care less about lives in another country. They kill their own with no remorse.
Nailed it!
Thinking the same. Given both China and Russia in the past have murdered their own civilians it's not hard to understand why they could care less about people in other countries.
I think it is more about money. Most likely China and Russia are responsible for supplying all those AK47s and RPGs, etc. probably to both sides and want those sales to last as long as possible. They could care less about the casualties.
Russia is screwing up the plans of Israel and the US to weaken Syria, by promoting regime change. Syria, Lebanon and Iran are the dominos that America and Israel want to fall, so that Israel will have complete domination in the ME.
No more wars for Israel.
Hey Ralph, don't let a little thing like common sense stop you. Go on and keep up with the anti israeli rhetoric. Never mind that it's people like you that causes all this butchery. Tell us how we'd all be better off with a theocratic government. Yeah, Ralph! Who needs rights when we've got rules to obey? How dare Israel try to defend itself. How dare we protest murder. Thanks for your brilliant input Ralph. Good luck in whichever country that accepts you.
Russia would like the WMD,s that Syria got from Iraq before the war.
Bush was wright!!!!!!
Russians love their own children as much as anyone in the world, including American.
Those who have never visited Russia and engaged the Russians with an open-mind dialogue often spew propaganda, hatred, and venom against the Russian people. The same sentence also applies to all nationalies.
This is why the U.N. is a failure, if a country has veto power they're gonna use it
That goes for the US, France and the UK too.
No country should have veto powers
Or you just Invade a country despite a veto like the US did with Iraq. Kill more of their people then the Assad regime and call your selves heroes.
"No country should have veto powers"
Really? So you guys believe in full equality.
In that case, how about every country puts in the same amount in cash.
Everyone be that USA, Iraq or Somalia, gets to invest exact same amount into UN. And no one gets to veto. Equal cash- equal voets.
Would you like that kind of scenario?
The UN is useless as t i t s on a bull. We provide over half of its funding.
Sorry but I have a lot more things to worry about than Syria, weren't they dancing in the streets with the rest of the Arabs on 9/11 if I remember correctly. If that country had oil this would have been over months ago, America's heart is not in it at the present time. Once the Dictator Assad falls the country will devolve into chao's and civil war anyway and then we will have a new terrorist breeding ground and best of all they will be using the weapons against us that we supplied to the rebels. Stay out USA, let Britain, France, Germany or the wealthy oil states solve this problem.
Oh how the dumb are so blind, humans= pathetic
Do you suppose that there is no reason for most of the world to hate us?
Harle - I was the 5 Dancing Israeli that were celebrating their work, as the WTCs fell. They were dancing and flicking their lighters, with the WTCs burning in the background. At least two of them were Mossad operatives, trained in demolitions. They didn't realize they could be observed where they were.
They were held by the FBI for 72 days, before being released after failing lie detector tests. Over 200 other Israelis were also kicked out of the country after 9/11. Here is a link.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html
Don't know maybe some of them where. However is it any worse than the USS Vincennes sailing into Iran's Territorial waters, shooting down one of their airliners in their own airspace, killing 290 people including 66 children and then the US government passes out out medals for it?
It is funny to see the US diplomats act so hypocritically, when it comes to Yemen, the president resigns but the regime stays, in Bharain, the people are oppressed and the US says both sides have to calm down as if the dictatorship there is as innocent as the people (or legitimate) -- they ask for a resolution that troops need to withdrawal from the cities, why? so that the fighters that they are arming can just walk in? And it is hypocritical that the council does not condemn the use of suicide bombers to achieve a political aim, especially and ironically, on the same day that that same weapon is used on a bus in Bulgaria against Israelis, this is what is meant by blowback, the US will get burned again. You cannot play this double game and not get burned while the american people act like innocent victims when similar measures are taken against them in the homeland.
It sounds to me Syria is in the middle of a civil war and Western Countries are placing pressure on China and Russia to support one side over another because they want a regime that favors Western countries. I never heard of a civil war fought with rules before stating the current government cannot use heavy weapons. Why should China and Russia help? Is the rebel side not doing any killing at all? If the rebel side was to win would they not kill supporters of the other side?
And please don't tell me this is a supporting something that is more than what western countries see as most beneficial to them, because innocent lives are also dying in Pakistan due to drone attacks and Palestinians are also suffering in Israel. Why the double standard? Because all of this is just being used as an excuse to have more favorable regimes to western countries and not really about the killing. How many wars have western countries fought and how many lives are lost due to those wars in the past century? O and lets not mention Yemen..... Its all just politics folks, Western countries are not more righteous, just have more media power and influence around the globe. That's it.
Its about stopping the f**king killing of innocents, so easy in your armchair to call shots you know nothing about, so its ok to murder 1000s glad I dont have to ever meet a stupid f**k like yourself.
Huh killing the innocent? Like we did in Iraq??? You do know that the CIA is arming "rebels" through Turkey, these rebels are fighting the regime... talk about stupid!
Old knowledge, obviously you are smoking garbage weed out of your bong deadhead. Do somthing usefull before bedtime kid. You did in Iraq I never so fu and your insecuritys, You and brad should hook up, both losers make a good match. Better yet move to Syria since you hate your own country so much ya f**kin whiner.
your comments yet again prove you have no thought capabilites.. insults do nothing to me.. what they do however, is show how ill informed you truley are..
please point out where I said I hated my country... thanks... I just laid out fact that you called old knowledge...
EPIC FAIL yet again... consistency is good for cake batter.
Innocence is in the eyes of the beholder.
I would contend that very few of them are innocent with the hate they are taught daily for other countries, ethnic groups, and cultures through their backwards unenlightened religion.
Christianity, is that what unenlightened religion you are referring too?
No he means Islam, trust me I know you were being sarcastic, but ended up not being funny. The basis of all other religions is a peaceful one. Islam on the other hand isn't, now they do have guidelines that can get you into heaven but those aren't guarantees, for them the only guarantee is killing infidels through martyrdom(spelling??). That is all for me.
Next I know you will probably bring up wars fought in the Old Testament, but if you truly knew anything about the Bible in particular, then you would know Christians live under the new convenant not old. I can say Christians because the Bible states that there will be many who thought they were by their deeds and saying they are but Jesus will say he never knew them. And again I far as I have briefly studied other religions the are also peaceful.
Crusades were fought when? the Inquisition was when? Abortion clinic bombers happened when? George Zimmerman shot Treyvon as it was gods plan when? Many more examples of distortion of the Xtian religon...
So Xtianity is peaceful when we have bible passages on military plans? When Dumbya calls the war on Iran the new crusade? When he invokes his calling from a higher father to wage war?
Have you read the Koran? Have you read the Bible? Or just the updated, newly PR'd New testament?
think rationally, not in the make believe.
Over the past decade, which has killed more, Muslim nations, or Christian nations?
You know the answer.... be honest... Christian... with well over a million across many Muslim lands... these are facts you cant ignore
read my second post before posting rebuttals. Yes I have on both accounts. You have to also remember during those crusades you had the Moores(islamist) fighting and killing just as much, rationally I look at both sides of history and how the moores took over much of the known world at the time. How we got our number system and for my being Porteguese got my ethnic look. One always brings up the crusades like Christian were the only ones involved and the inquisitions because no other religion has killed in their name, wait all the girls in America being killed by their Muslim fathers that do not agree with their living.
You are correct, distortion and again read my second post again and you will see how distortion are talked about in the Bible.
And on the last part, I would say they are even.
also what is PR'd??
Oh yeah, it's never God's plan for anyone to kill anyone, that is why we aren't suppose to kill anyone, one of the 10 commandments. It was extremely stupid for him to say that. And for me a my belief, I don't believe in either war going on right now, nor the death penalty or abortion. I know too many people that say they are Christians that believe in the death penalty but not abortion, for me that hypocrisy and vice versa, on what has been labeled liberal with believing in choice of the mother but not death penalty because that person could be rehabbed. Trust I'm not in a bubble knowing that people who claim but act a different way are rampant in this world.
PR = Public relation.. the New testament, the old angry God who killed was made over...
Ask George Zimmerman about Gods plan and killing... see today people use that excuse, and Zimmerman isnt a Muslim, what about the man who killed Dr. Tiller, yep again killed for his belief.. I can go on, but you get the point.
George Bush.. his nw crusade in Iraq, when he got the calling from a higher father, when army manuals are littered with bible qoutes, when God told Bush to go and free people... I believe that was the Xtian god no?
So during the crusade and the inquisition they followed the old testament? No it was the new one, another man made book.
The rebels/CIA have just as much blood on their hands as the Syrian government. It would have been nice if this new report was not so biased against the Syrian government and included some diplomatic russian and chinese comments.
I imagine this simply comes down to Russia not wanting to lose another ally to the US. There is a lot going on that we are not privy to. It's too bad that instead of news we get propaganda.
Your comment is an absolute joke, obviously you support the Syrian Gov and the propaganda machine. Using tanks against civilians is not ok EVER.
A rebel is not a civilian. I'm neutral to this. You are just looking at it from one side. Wake up.
I am awake so whatever I can see your side and it is not the side I am on, there was no rebels until the gov started the slaughter, read up on your world events dude, you're smokin somthin. It is nothing about losing an allie its about losing arm sales, lol, everyone knows this. Its about cash not human lives as it has been and always will be.
insults add nothing to your uninformed postion....
Are you saying that rebels are not lining civilians up and shooting them? That the rebels are not suicide bombing? That they are innocent in all of this? You need to grow up.
F**K youre an idiot im done with you, permanently ignored go back to Damascus loser. And Anita stfu.
Again insults add nothing to your weak argument, you obvioulsy do not grasp facts from mass propaganda.
talk about killing civilians.. how many cruise missles did we lob into Lybia that killed only "bad" guys rocky? How many civilians did we kill in shock and awe..
really, please go back to watching Jersey Shore, its simpler for you to grasp that, rather than geopolitical events.
And since you are such a mouthpiece and totally uniformed about life in general and just troll forums to flame, you are also ignored for life. You are a waste of skin asta lavista baby. I think judging by your comments you are living the real life of the Trailer Park Boys, obviously that is where you live.
You are a total f**king idiot
yawn, when you come across as uninformed and ignorant, the best you can do is toss out insults,..
EPIC FAIL...... EPIC FAIL.... EPIC FAIL...
Everyone... here is what my friend Rocky Road wrote to me that got sent to my email:
Subject: ignored for life
Name: rocky-road95875
Email: jtrickey@bytemart.ca
Message:
@!$%# off and die loser
and then he also sent this....
Subject: douchebag
Name: rocky-road95875
Email: jtrickey@bytemart.ca
Message:
Should meet me in real life so I can smash your teeth out you ignorant @!$%#
my response is anyday... someone has a case of Anonymous Coward Syndrome, its a classic case, he feels tough behind the safety and security of his keyboard.
stay classy... stay classy....
EPIC FAIL yet again Rocky.....
Nice try at being a tough guy.... you wouldnt come close to even connecting a punch... trust me..
Tracked him down.. using his work email, I called, he works in Manitoba at Byte Mart computers... I asked for him, he first states that he has no employees... like a coward would that got caught... then starts with his hollow threats of ass kicking.. YAWN... If I make my way up there, you will know it.. then he says my call is being traced and if anything happens I am F'd.... like a va jay jay....
Its so easy.... really easy....
Byte-Mart Computers
Suite C-725 Main St, WINKLER, MB R6W 2L8
204-331-3123
rocky-road95875 will be banned for a day for violating the code of honor. Otherwise, the moderators at Newsvine are hypocrites and phonies. Let's see what happens.
Maybe... not sure what the threatening emails are about, but I have the resources and the means to handle this amatuer.
Would like to see how it pans out... not that I am the least bit concerned about this clown, I could tell in his voice he lacks the testes to act on his threats... but I do enjoy exposing jerkoffs.
I would like to see the U.S. apply the same pressure on Saudi Arabia, didn't we see them stoning a woman to death last week? They chop people's heads off for looking the wrong way, yet we keep buying their oil and selling them weapons. Good thing Russian and China are still around...
I wouldn't call it US, because there are amazing people in this country, but what I cannot say at all about most of those in the US Government. Time will tell and humanity will evolve even beyond their governments, I can't wait to see first US politicians tried in Den Haag.
one, Bingo! It is funny how we are selective as to which country we wish to fight for human rights. When the F*** are the American people going to wake up
@sparrow1,
I guess you forgot about the US vetoing anything said negatively against Israel when they go on a Palestinian killing spree. Pot, meet kettle...
We have allready surpassed anything that has happened yet in terms of death counts, maybe if the idiots would quit firing rocketys might help huh? Totally different scenario, guess since you do not live there is is easy to justify huh?
I imagine it's as frustrating and disheartening to UN leaders as the U.S. veto on sanctions against Israel (for not withdrawing from the occupied territories). The rest of the world knew Israel was in violation of UN law when Israel refused to withdraw from developments illegally created in areas of the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Israel continues to violate UN law, while the world knows we will continue to use our veto. What's different about China and Russia using their veto? Protecting vested interests in financial and political relationships trumps protecting human rights. It's all wrong and shameful.
Both loser countries they really should not have a vote seeing as all they care about is themselves, I really hope the new gov in Syria does not deal with Russia or China whatsoever thus ending their lucrative arm sales to Syria which is the only reason they are vetoing anything, F**K the people in Syria they say, we want their money!!!
Russia and China you suck!!! Glad I do not live in your *(&$#^* cesspool of a country
Like the USA doesnt care about itself and its interests... really, you should go back to watching re-runs of Jersey Shore.
Never heard of the show sounds like you are an avid fan, get out of your diaper and go outside troll and FYI I do not live in the US idiot.
I hope that the new regime in Syria (eventually) tell the Russians to withdraw all personnel from their naval base - as in get OUT and stay OUT.
get out of my diaper.. good one.. the moms basement comments will come in 5, 4, 3, 2,........ you judging by your comments on this forum are the idiot.. I didnt ask you if you lived in the USA, I asked if they care about their interests and themselves as you accused China and Russia...
man, this is easy...
@rocky, do you know that if it wasn't for a Russian back in 1962 the USA would not be today.Look it up true storey. So they are not all bad.
Anytime you hear about countries that still have tribal regions it means that they are not ready for democracy. They have iron fisted dictators for a reason.
Dr. EXACLY!!!. Assad is a sociopathic abusive dictator. But as soon as he falls all hell is going to break out. These rebels consist of many diff. tribes who love to fight and kill each other. The UN and the Arab League conducted a meeting with about 20 of these rebel leaders a few days ago. It did not go well. Each one of these tribal leaders wanted to control all of Syria and they refused to work with each other
I wonder if China, Russia, or Iran would send in there own peac keeping forces. I would agree to this it would stop the Killing and they are working with Syira. It would calm the situation Iran is close and could move troops fast to quell the situation. China is wanting to take a bigger role in the world this would be a good place to start.
Well time for the US to withdraw from NATO, Pull the funding and kick NATO the **** out of our country too.
hope the rebels take over get rid of assad and his cronies and then install a new leader that calls putin and tells him to get his navy out of the country period
Yet we still do business and trade with these two countries. Oh that's right, half of all American jobs are outsourced to China. We have some dumbasses in Washington...
US NEWS MEDIA NEVER REPORT THAT:
Revealed: CIA secretly operates on Syrian border, supplies arms to rebels (fast and furious)
American secret service operatives are distributing illegal assault rifles, anti-tank rocket launchers and other ammunition to Syrian opposition, the New York Times reports. But due to some rebels’ links to Al Qaeda, the CIA’s task is precarious.
The paper reports that for weeks now, officers based in southeast Turkey have supervised the flow of illegal arms to numerous opposition factions ready to fight the regime of President Bashar Assad. The only problem is some of the rebel groups have links with terrorist organizations such as Al Qaeda, so the CIA mission must be careful not to arm proven terrorists by mistake.
Arms and ammunition are being brought into Syria mainly over the Turkish border with the help of Syria’s Muslim Brotherhood network and other groups, the report says. Expenses are being shared by Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar.
The NYT source, an unnamed Arab intelligence official, revealed that American officers are also collecting information on Syrian opposition groups and recruiting informants among their ranks. The source said the Obama administration is considering sharing its intelligence data, such as satellite images and detailed information on the location and maneuvers of Syrian troops.
According to the source, CIA operatives might be helping the rebels with organizing a rudimentary intelligence organization. The CIA agents have reportedly not set foot on Syrian soil, however.
While, it seems, supplying Syrian opposition with arms, the US would like to see Syria’s allies, Russia in the first place, stop supplying weapons to the regime of President Bashar Assad. Washington has expressed concern with Russia performing maintenance of Syrian Mi-25 assault helicopters.
Moscow has consistently denied supplying to Damascus any types of assault weapons that can be used against armed rebels. Russia’s Foreign Ministry says the country has only supplied Syria with defensive capabilities such as anti-air missile systems.
Russia is not violating any international sanctions against Syria, and Moscow has declared it will not cease military cooperation with Damascus.
Prior to the report about CIA officers operating on the Turkish-Syrian border, the Obama administration’s declared policy on the conflict in Syria centered on diplomacy and humanitarian aid. The State Department has reportedly allocated $15 million in medical supplies and communication equipment for armed opposition groups in Syria.
In the meantime it seems the Pentagon is considering various options for interference in the Syrian conflict, including establishing no-fly zones over the country, as was done in Libya a year ago.
American and Israeli generals are also concerned with securing alleged stockpiles of Syrian chemical weapons, the very existence of which has never been proven
US NEWS MEDIA NEVER REPORT THAT :
Assad: US trying to destabilize Syria
Syrian President Bashar al-Assad says Washington plays a role in the turmoil in Syria by supporting the armed gangs (terrorists) to destabilize the country.
Assad told the German ARD television channel on Sunday that the United States is “part of the conflict,” and that “they offer the umbrella and political support to those terrorists to… destabilize Syria.”
The latest remarks by the Syrian president come at a time when the anti-Syria Western regimes have been calling for Assad to step down.
Russia and China remain opposed to the Western drive to oust the Syrian president.
US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said on June 30 that Assad “will still have to go.”
Diplomats meeting in Geneva on the same day reached an agreement on a Syrian-led transitional governing body that could include members of the present government and the opposition and other groups, and shall be formed on the basis of mutual consent, said UN-Arab League envoy to Syria Kofi Annan.
The US secretary of state added that the Syrian president “will never pass the mutual consent test.”
On July 3, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said that some Western participants in the Geneva meeting “have started in their public statements to distort the agreements that were reached.”
The New York Times published a report on June 21, quoting some US and Arab intelligence officials as saying that a group of “CIA officers are operating secretly in southern Turkey” and that the agents are helping the anti-Syria governments decide which terrorists inside the Arab country will “receive arms to fight the Syrian government.”
President Assad said on June 3 that Syria is “facing a war from abroad,” and that attempts are being made to “weaken Syria, [and] breach its sovereignty.”
SYRIA IS SOON TO HOST ITS REAL FRIENDS OF SYRIA.
Bull sheet.
hammid, sad but true. Syria is very valuable to us because of its geographic location. But I don't think we realize what we are getting into. (whether we support Assad or the rebels). The best we can do is secure the borders.
US NEWS MEDIA NEVER REPORT THAT :
French journalist killed by Syrian opposition: Report
Thu Jul 19, 2012 6:4PM GMT
French journalist Gilles Jacquier, who lost his life in central Syria earlier this year, was killed by the Syrian opposition’s mortal fire, a report says.
“This investigation was carried out by French intelligence and based on a ballistic study carried out in the area. According to my contact, the mortar fire came from the Sunni rebel zone,” wrote Georges Malbrunot, a member of the editorial board of Le Figero, in the French newspaper.
This is while Western reports have put the blame on Damascus, saying Jacquier was killed by a Syrian army shell.
On January 11, Jacquier, 43, was killed in the central Syrian city of Homs.
The Western journalists were on a government-authorized trip to the city at the time of the attack.
Gilles Jacquier, working for France 2 TV, was the first Western reporter to die since the beginning of the unrest in Syria in mid-March 2011. He had covered conflicts in Iraq, Afghanistan and Kosovo.
The Syrian government had previously blamed armed groups for the attack.
Syria has been experiencing unrest since mid-March 2011. Many people, including large numbers of security forces, have been killed in the turmoil.
While the West and the Syrian opposition accuse the government of killing protesters, Damascus blames ''outlaws, saboteurs and armed terrorist groups'' for the unrest, insisting that it is being orchestrated from abroad.
AND more Bull Sheet.
THESE ARE SYRIANS GETTING KILLED.
The rebels are not to blame.
The orchestration is from ASSAD.
And possibly with the help of Russia and China.
Viewer, are we going to "save" another nation??? It's not going to work in Syria. Syria is a quick sand pit and if we get involved, it would take us 10+ yrs to even come close to stabalize it.
The Right hand Condemns China. The Left hand is out asking for more money from China to fund the U.S.'s unsustainable spending.
If the U.S. is serious about its disappointment with China then Show it. Get our fiscal house in order, stop spending money we don't have, and stop borrowing so much frigging money from China.
Can someone tell me how the fighting in syria is because of the jews. I say let them kill each other and they wont have time to kill Americans or other westerners.
The Bear and the Panda align.
Be wary, be VERY wary.
They see the West and Europe in trouble and they are trying to flex their socialist muscle and agenda.
However, this is all just political.
If the West and NATO decides to go after Assad, all they will do is "protest".
So, let's go do it.
(and yes I will go too)
Just stop financing the U.N. It does not provide a damn thing for the American People, period! Just wasted money and a load of BS. When People can't walk the streets without their own government shooting them down in the streets and everyone around the World just sits on their thumbs, what is so untied about the UN? Oh.....guess what....IT'S NOT! This is an evil World we ALL live in and it's not going to get any better. Dump the aid to countries we know are NOT our friends and get the hell out of the UN.
Agreed.
Good comment from George-3715504.
US is trying to look like the freedom defender, but its actions in countries like Bahrain shows that our government cares about its interest much like Russia and China. The reality is, we have a vested interest to see a regime change in Syria. Unfortunately, it may not play out well for us even when eventually Assad will be gone. Look at Egypt, they hate us more than ever and things don't seem to go in a good direction for us or the egyptian people (although we give them 2 billions a year!)
When the US gets involved in the wars of other countries the death toll triples in a month.
I am surprised. Any day now Assad will flee leaving many of his friends to the rebels. And the Syrian people will hate them for years.