Syrian forces launch air attacks as rebels push on largest city

Dozens are reported dead in Syria where opposition forces are fighting to maintain control of Syria's commercial capital and biggest city. NBC's Richard Engel reports.

Fierce clashes intensified in Syria's commercial capital of Aleppo on Tuesday as the government unleashed air attacks on rebellious neighborhoods, while activists claimed opposition fighters had control over several neighborhoods in the city.

Government helicopter gunships attacked Aleppo, the Local Coordination Committees, a network of on-the-ground activists, told NBC News. The Associated Press reported that warplanes circled in the air around the city, while the British Broadcasting Corp., citing one of its reporters near the area, said that fighter jets had bombed eastern parts of Aleppo.


With sequential rebel attacks on the country's two largest cities and a bombing that wiped out some of his top security advisors, President Bashar Assad reshuffled his top security posts, dismissing one general and appointing a national security council chief to replace the one killed in the recent attack. 

Syria's rebels, outmanned and outgunned by the regime's professional army, have mounted a surprising pair of offensives over the last 10 days against the country's two major cities — Damascus and Aleppo. Even as the government appears to have snuffed out most of the rebel pockets in the capital, the rebels appear to be fight fiercely in the commercial hub of Aleppo in the north.

The government has instituted tight restrictions on outside news outlets working in Syria, making it difficult to verify many reports from inside the country.

Fighting spreads in Aleppo
The battle in Aleppo has spread from neighborhoods in the northeast and southwest of the city to previously untouched areas like Firdous in the south and Arkoub closer to the center, local activists and the Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said.

At least 20 people have been killed in the fighting in Aleppo, the Local Coordination Committees told NBC.

Opposition activist Mohammed Saeed has estimated that the rebels are holding large chunks of the city and the government has responded with attack helicopters — key to their retaking of Damascus over the last few days.

Circling fighter jets have also been breaking the sound barrier overhead in an apparent attempt to cow the fighters, the AP reported.

Syria acknowledges it has chemical weapons, will use them if attacked

"It's like a real war zone over here, there are street battles over large parts of the city," Saeed said, with the sound of gunfire and explosions audible over the phone. "Aleppo has joined Homs and Hama and other revolutionary cities."

Syria's government is acknowledging for the first time it has the ability to use chemical and biological weapons, though the government says those weapons wouldn't be used on the country's citizens. The Morning Joe panel – including New York Magazine's John Heilemann and the Council on Foreign Relations' Dan Senor and Richard Haass – discusses.

On Sunday, a newly formed alliance of rebel groups called the Brigade for Unification announced an operation to take Aleppo, the country's largest city with about three million people. While the rebels have not shown themselves able to hold neighborhoods for any significant period of time, the continued fighting highlights the government's inability to pin down the lightly armed opposition forces.

Prisoners in Aleppo's jail also rioted overnight and activists said at least eight have been killed by government forces. Another prison riot in the city of Homs has been quelled with tear gas and live ammunition.

The International Committee of the Red Cross issued a statement Tuesday calling the situation in and around Damascus "tense and volatile."

"People have been calling us on a daily basis, saying they need a helping hand," Marianne Gasser, the ICRC's head of delegation in Syria, said in the statement. "Some are in need of the basics -- items one usually takes for granted, such as water and food, and a mattress to sleep on. But first and foremost, they are in need of safety."

NBC's Ayman Mohyeldin answers your questions about Syria

With the conflict raging in Syria's two biggest cities, as well as many provincial ones, Western and many Arab nations are pushing for Assad's removal, although Russia, China, Iran and Iraq are among others opposed to any forced handover of power.

The ferocity of the Syria conflict, in which 1,261 people have been killed since fighting intensified in Damascus on July 15, according to one opposition watchdog, has concentrated attention on the possible repercussions of Assad's overthrow.

Warning over chemical weapons
As the struggle for Syria intensified, Western leaders seized on an admission by Damascus that it has chemical and biological arms and could use them if foreign powers intervened.

Analysts: Russia will be big loser if Assad falls

President Barack Obama said the world would hold Assad and his entourage accountable "should they make the tragic mistake of using those (chemical) weapons."

Israel, which has publicly discussed military action to prevent Syrian chemical weapons or missiles from reaching Assad's Lebanese Shiite militant allies Hezbollah, said there was no sign any such diversion had occurred.

"At the moment, the entire non-conventional weapons system is under the full control of the regime," a senior Israeli defense official, Amos Gilad, told Israel Radio.

Syrian Foreign Ministry spokesman Jihad Makdissi said the army would not use chemical weapons to crush rebels but could use them against forces from outside the country.

The Global Security website, which collects published intelligence reports and other data, says there are four suspected chemical weapons sites in Syria: north of Damascus, near Homs, in Hama and near the Mediterranean port of Latakia. Weapons it produces include the nerve agents VX, sarin and tabun, it said, without citing its sources.

NBC News' Ayman Mohyeldin, The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report.

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I see the Russian supplied helicopters are being put to use.

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#1 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 11:46 AM EDT

And I bet it's only a matter of time before the Iraqi supplied chemical weapons are put to use.

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#1.1 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 11:57 AM EDT

good use indeed, killing women and childred while the so called "cvilized" world sits by and does nothing. Oh wait the UN is talking......

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#1.2 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:03 PM EDT

Are you referring to the ATT? If so, I'd say it's too little too late for the Syrian's...not that I think it would help anyway.

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#1.3 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:27 PM EDT

Yea, the Russians are supplying arms as they have the most to lose with the fall of Assad. They have not sent troops as they learned their lesson in Afganistan. The US learned the same lesson 25 years later.

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#1.4 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:27 PM EDT

The hangman´s noose is waiting for Assad. Hopefully he will be captured soon.!!

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#1.5 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:27 PM EDT

And as long as the Russians are supplying and supporting them, Assad will not leave.

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#1.6 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:07 PM EDT

"Syria is none of our business. Don't fall for these lies again." ~ Ron Paul

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#1.7 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:10 PM EDT
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#1.8 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:59 PM EDT

Just stupid....The implication that Iraq's Chem and Bio Weps are in Syria....Is just that, your opinion...No proof of any kind that that is true....and those weapons don't make a mushroom cloud......Just accept the fact that GWB was an idiot and lets move on......Oh...Wait...No aliens took Iraq's WMDs and are keeping them in space for later....LOLZ...You Repugs are a contradiction......Fiscal responsibility and then spend money on war? If your idiot president hadn't spent 10 trillion (Fact), that is part of our deficit, on his wars in the middle east then maybe we could afford to do something when it really mattered....Afgan was the only offender of 9/11(Fact). You guys made bad choices and basically screwed up the global economy through deregulation which caused a large devaluation of the property ownership (devalued 2-3 trillion in 08') and this whole time these bad loans were sold all over the world (Fact)....Good job.....Deregulation is the way to go.....Just cause you can, doesn't mean you should Bankers.....So here we are .........This travesty to humanity in Syria...and without destroying the delicate global economy we really can't do anything.......Two problems Russia and China....These countries are large contributors to the global economy and causing bad relations with them would continue to burden economic growth for the US and we basically can't afford to do it without it being a shared expense of the UN....Like Lybia.... So unless you want large changes in our quality of life....Our hands are a little tied.....This "situation" is the result of foreign policy that wasn't long sighted....Now for the religious nuts....Islam believes that Christ was a prophet...Islam is a harsh religion and if you read their book it is anti anyone who is not Muslim.....Mohammad is known in history (and I am basing this purely on historical fact....personally I have nothing against Islam since we are a country that was founded on freedom of personal belief) for being an extremist....Jews they as well believe Christ was a prophet and then you have the odd variations Sephardim, Hasidic, Messianic, Reconstructionist and Humanistic Jews which all have variations in their belief so that general statement about Jewish belief is just ignorant (and I am not even Jewish). The comment insinuating Obama is Muslim is means you live outside of reality and most likely believe in every conspiracy theory that is out there......I guess he practices his Muslim faith on the spaceship with the aliens and Iraq's WMDs.......I know you guys don't realize this, and maybe you have morale ambiguity, but spreading stuff that is fact less is creating"idiocracy". In other words the world is a little dumber of a place for your word vomit.....

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#1.9 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:00 PM EDT

Don't delude yourself - US government would have reacted in the same fashion to an armed insurrection. Remember the Civil War?

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#1.10 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:02 PM EDT

But the civil war was not created by a dictatorship.....It was populace reaction to the southern states leaving the union..But you are right...Sherman broke the backbone of the south harshly

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#1.11 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:07 PM EDT

Yay! The good guys are striking back!

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#1.12 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:07 PM EDT

I just hope that Assad, if he survives this mess, is not going to come whining to the international community for money to reconstruct after he has finished destroying his country. Can you even imagine how many billions of dollars in property damage alone he has caused already, to say nothing of the loss of life? My message to him is don't look outside Syria for reconstruction money. I don't think you will find it.

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#1.13 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:43 PM EDT

Don't worry Mickey, he will be burned alive and his ashes beaten with shoes in the street very soon.......

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#1.14 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:14 PM EDT

Seven2Seven,

Let us hope so!

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#1.15 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:19 PM EDT

Seven2Seven

Don't worry Mickey, he will be burned alive and his ashes beaten with shoes in the street very soon.......

And this is why dictators never step down. Just look at Mubarak, he did, and now he's in prison for life (I was actually surprised they didn't kill him).

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#1.16 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:15 PM EDT

Actually the Russian choppers are being put to good use and I don't know why McCain is so upset. Muslims killing muslims is the best of all worlds.

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#1.17 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:47 PM EDT

Do you know in Syria not only muslims live dear also they have christians and jews comunities, Assad protec them bud our corrupt and hipocrite country support whit guns the muslim mercenaries, do you understand that ? you can see this people opinion in youtube, not the mercenaries...

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#1.18 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:42 PM EDT

Assad: I want them exterminated.
Soldier: Which ones?
Assad: All of them. The entire population.
Soldier: That will take some time.
Assad: Then I suggest that you begin at once.

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#1.19 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:04 PM EDT

Rebels: This war is over. You lost.
Assad: Have I? I think you'll find that neither the generals or the soldiers will agree with that assessment. They will fight to the last man.
Rebels: And what will that accomplish?
Assad: Isn't it obvious? You may win this war, Rebels; but I promise you, when it is over, you will have lost so many cities, so many lives, that your victory will taste as bitter as defeat.

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#1.20 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:07 PM EDT

Russian supplied helicopters will be a good match to Syrian rebels supported by Sunni Saudi Islamic religious Nazis like al-Qaida, MB and other Sunni militant groups.

What role does ICRC have in Syria, a Muslim nation? Let it not shriek later that its workers have been kidnapped, killed and so on as in Pakistan and other places.

Let ICRC do something useful in Iraq, where the field is wide open!

Before Iraqi wars, UN and its agencies, human rights groups and ICRC did their seventh century dances along with Saudis and co.

It is Ramadan time. So at least Muslim charity Red Crescent should work there.

By managing Iraqi wars and manipulating high oil prices through them and now sactions on Iranian oil with bogues and false claims, Sunni Saudis, UAE and Kuwaiti seventh century bigoted Isalamic barbarians have become too rich.

For a change, let them fund the Red Crescent and send their workers!

Amerika and West have no roles even in charity business in Syria.

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#1.21 - Wed Jul 25, 2012 1:50 AM EDT

Actually, the American civil war begun as a peaceful political movement - and it still led to a horrible war and a ghastly loss of life. We are criticizing Assad while we would do exactly the same.

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#1.22 - Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:42 AM EDT

Max^108,

"a ghastly loss of life."

Yes, more than 500,000 dead Americans. Civil wars are usually an ugly and brutal business.

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#1.23 - Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:17 AM EDT
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I am looking forward to the news clip of the Syrian presidents body being drag through the streets once he is shot and beaten!

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Reply#2 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 11:55 AM EDT

Why you don't said that with george Bush ?

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#2.1 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:53 PM EDT

If Syrian rebels backed by the Sunni Islamic religious Nazis, al-Qaida and MB win in Syria, it will be our fate after few decades.

Hope you remember Mogadishu of Somalia.

Followers of Islamic cult, especially Sunni Saudi inspired Islamic radicals and militants (al-Qaida, Salaffi, Wahhabi, MB and other label ones), are fast marching backwards to their seventh century desert tribal days.

They are indulging in rapings, lootings, killings and genocides of non-Muslims (Darfur, S. Sudan, Nigeria and spreading like wild fire in many regions and Muslims (Mali, Iraq, Syria, Pakistan, Afghanistan and other places.

Sunni Saudi backed Salaffi and MB new chapters are opening up in Egypt. Just watch the fate of Christians, women and Israel as the time goes by.

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#2.2 - Wed Jul 25, 2012 1:58 AM EDT
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so I guess the world is going to wait until Assad uses those chemical weapons against women and children before anyone acts. Oh wait, he said he won't........

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Reply#3 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:02 PM EDT

Do you forget Hadam Hussein used chemical gas againt de kurd rebelion in his territory, kill thousandsof civilians (included women nd children) and the US and ONU (puppet institution) don't said NOTHING ! because at that moment Hussein is a "friend" from USA...

    #3.1 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:00 PM EDT

    So you are back to square one with pre-Iraqi war theories! Some never learn!

    British should kick out the criminals of Syrian Human Rights Observatory from its soil. It is a front end for Sunni Islamic religious Nazis like al-Qaida, MB and other Sunni militant groups.

    Just check all languages of the UN, human rights groups, media and others!

    If atrocities and barbarism on girls, children and women are the criteria, then the most despotic, autocratic and bigoted Sunni Saudi ruler with his 5000 princes and princesses, Kuwaiti, UAE and other Arab League Sunni rulers and their rich sheiks are the biggest culprits in the history.

    In killing of opponents again, these people have established world records.

    If the US, Britain and others support such Sunni barbarians and beasts who treat girls and women as cheap sex slaves, then one can only conclude that Saudis, oil companies and their lobbyists determine what to see, how to lecture and where and when to act.

    Rest like “human rights”, “killing of children and women”, “militants”, “terrorists”, “WMDs”, “chemical weapons” and so on are a pure hoax.

    Similar hoaxes were played each time before Iraqi wars on directions of Saudi, oil companies and their lobbyists.

    Now none of them are looking into Iraq, where at least a million have been killed and devastated.

    Twice are too much to tolerate.

      #3.2 - Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:03 AM EDT
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      One mans Freedom Fighter is another mans Terrorist. You have to put yourself in Assads shoes or sandals, what would you do? The easy answer is you never would have treated people this way.

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      Reply#4 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:02 PM EDT

      shut the f@@@-up are you a christian or not! these Syrian are the closes thing to Muslim that believe in Jesus. It's sad that the U.S are taking the wrong side about Assad sectors.

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      Reply#5 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:04 PM EDT

      @Meth,

      ALL Muslims "believe in Christ." Period. Islam did not arise until the 600's when Christianity was already being well-established as an outgrowth of Abrahamic Judaism. Islam has its roots in the same Abrahamic Judaism. And since Christianity pre-dated Islam, Christ is recognized by all Muslims as a major prophet, equal to both Mohammed and Abraham (and Noah and Issac and Enos and the rest.) All religious Muslims recognize both Christians and Jews as "Peoples of the Contract" and protected by the Koran.

      The Alawites are part of the @!$%#te minority in Islam and are considered a cult by both Sunnis and mainstream Shiites. Among other "deviations" Alawites celebrate the Trinity, Christmas, and Easter, but without any particular religious foundation other than "revelation." That is not sufficient reason to support a tiny semi-literate subsistence village minority in its brutal and repressive Baathist oppression of a Sunii majority.

      It is a numbers game that Assad could never win. It was just tender waiting for a spark.

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      #5.1 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:14 PM EDT

      No muslims believe in Christ. They believe Jesus was a prophet, who lives today, and will return at the end of time - but none believe Jesus is the Christ - or Messiah.

      Jews on the other hand also believe in Jesus. Jesus was a heretic, born of a whore, worthy only to have his bones ground into ashes and spit upon.

      Only Christians believe that Jesus was the Christ. In fact, that is why and how the word Christian came to be.

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      #5.2 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:34 PM EDT

      Meth....Inappropriate in every way, shape and form....I agree with that you should...Please return to under the rock that you came from...Freedman1...you need to learn about the Jewish faith apparently...ignorant and wrong and I am not even Jewish.

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      #5.3 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:41 PM EDT

      Peter, I can see that you are not jewish. Look, the jews have a pretty good p.r. system, and this is something you won't find advertised all over the place. But, it is in the Talmud, and in several places. Do a seach, maybe Jesus in Judaism. See how many good things the jews have to say about Jesus.

      Jesus is viewed as having been the most influential, and consequently the most damaging, of all false messiahs in Judaism.
      The first one to have adopted this plan was Jesus the Nazarene, may his bones be ground to dust. He was a Jew because his mother was a Jewess although his father was a Gentile. For in accordance with the principles of our law, a child born of a Jewess and a Gentile, or of a Jewess and a slave, is legitimate. (Yebamot 45a)(Maimonides}

      Jesus was a Rabbi - a teacher,. who studied the Torah, the Talmud, the laws of Moses. When he met the Sanhedrin, the Pharisees, the Sadducees - he called them a brood of vipers. Jesus claimed the jews had gotten so full of themselves making all types of regulations and restrictions that they had lost the path God had set before them. He is not regarded as a prophet anywhere in Judaism.

        #5.4 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:48 PM EDT

        Orders from the Diablo..!

          #5.5 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:13 PM EDT

          I apologize. The Talmudic quote above is actually from the Epistle to Yemen.

          The reference to Yebamot 45 is the authority for calling Jesus a jew at all. Because Mary was indeed a jew, but (it is alleged) she fornicated with a Roman Centurian, resulting in the bastard birth of Jesus, the heretic.

          On the other hand, all Muslims agree that Jesus was born to the virgin Mary (Maryam in Arabic). That he is alive today, and that it will be Jesus that returns at the end of times to lead the world to God. Not Muhammad - Jesus.

          This is certainly an ironic twist.

            #5.6 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:06 PM EDT

            Comment below deleted, Meth Mardi with an off-topic fantasy about Christians being dragged through the streets in the U.S.

            You're suspended for a week for violating #4 and #5 of the Code of Honor. Post on-topic, keep that stuff to yourself.

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            #5.7 - Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:01 PM EDT
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            Meth MardiDeleted

            Mr. Longneck should get on that first plane to Moscow. Everyone else on his staff is defecting. I really don't think they're that stupid to use chemical weapons. The mere threat was what they were banking on. If they use chem/biological, not even the Russians and Chinese would back them.

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            Reply#7 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:06 PM EDT

            The problem is you are assuming logical thinking on people other than yourself...We all like to think all others are like minded to ourselves, however if you want to try and predict another mans actions you have to get into their head to do so. If he has concluded that external evil forces are driving the insurgency, that a majority of his people are in support of his government, then he will naturally think he can sell that idea to any that will try and accuse him later of bombing his own people. He has a circle of others around him that are telling him either what he wants to hear, or what they want him to hear. He is probably the most out of touch person regarding what is really going on in his country. He will use the means he has to stay in power. He has a wife who wants to buy more shoes and keep living the life she has become accustomed to. He won't let go of power. This may not end up going the way Libya did as he has more resources, and less outside interest in getting involved.

            Unfortunately all that boils down to a war that is just getting started. Escalation will be followed by more escalation from the other side. At some point external forces will feel they have to intervene and then the drums of war will start to beat world wide. This is not going to end well for anyone on this planet.

              #7.1 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:02 PM EDT
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              It looks like the numbers are catching up with Assad. Only about 15% or fewer of the Syrian people belong to his Shiite Alawite cult. The rest are, like the vast majority of the Arab world, Sunnis. The Alawites have maintained power by leveraging the apolitical Baathist Party into a brutal and repressive dictatorship. Most Alawites are semi-literate subsistence villagers. These do not make the best generals. And, like the population, the foot soldiers in Assad's military are mostly Sunni.

              Airpower, tanks and artillery do not win wars. Only foot soldiers win wars and Assad simply does not have sufficient loyalty among the foot soldiers to win. He may be able to prolong his demise for a while as Ghadaffi did, but the result will look just the same. Assad is just hopelessly trying to quell one problem only to find two more jumping up to take their place.

              Russia does have a lot to lose. While the US has over 2,000 overseas military bases, Russia has exactly one --- Targus in Syria (and even that is pretty pitiful.) But this one naval base in Syria is all the protection that Russia has to keep the Black Sea Fleet from being bottled up in the Black Sea by Turkey, a NATO member. The Black Sea Fleet is considered the largest in the world (though nominally a joint Russian-Ukrainian venture) but it is also the most vulnerable because it cannot be used anywhere except the Black Sea without NATO's express permission.

              Putin has a lot to lose personally. It is Putin who has been Assad's most vocal advocate. It is Putin who just negotiated a deal to refurbish and expand their Targus naval base and expand the military outposts that "guard" it.

              China is not so much interested in supporting Assad or in meager Syrian oil. China simply does not want to burn any bridges in the Middle East since it has no oil reserves of its own.

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              Reply#8 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:06 PM EDT

              If Assad does not stay in power all the minorities in the country, including the christians, will be persecuted, nothing good will come out of that for us.

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              #8.1 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:30 PM EDT

              Syria is approximately 60% Sunni Arab.

              About 11% Christian.

              Alawites are about 11%

              About 10% Kurdish. The Kurdish are Sunni - but their interest is in establishing their own homeland. However that happens is fine with them. Kurds will readily battle any Turkish incursion.

              Turks are about 5%.

              Druze are about 3%

              The Christian population is predominantly aligned with Assad. The defense minister that was recently assassinated was christian.

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              #8.2 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:44 PM EDT

              Russia has several out of country bases

              Greetings, I was curious about this topic for a while and the claims in the other thread that Russia have no foreign military presence had finally pushed me to look up more information on it. Note that this article is dated May 2007 and could be incomplete by now, especially regarding Georgia.

              In this article, Vlast continues its investigation into the Russian armed forces. In conjunction with the fact book The Whole Russian Army, published in 2002, 2003, and 2005, readers are now offered an overview of Russia's military facilities abroad.
              This overview gives as detailed a journalistic account as possible of the Russian military bases that exist outside the country and describes how they came to be, what purpose they serve, and who commands them. We would like to remind our readers that all of the information included in this article was taken exclusively from open sources, including material from more than 5,000 Russian and foreign media articles, analytical reports and overviews, and other publications and internet resources.

              Vlast welcomes any comments or clarifications, which can be sent via email lukin@kommersant.ru (according to tradition, we ask that people with classified information about the topics in this article not contact us wishing to disclose it).

              Neither tsarist Russia nor the Soviet Union maintained a very significant number of military bases, ostensibly because they were chiefly land-based powers and had little need for a large number of far-flung places to billet their troops. After the collapse of the USSR, the former Soviet republics found themselves hosting numerous troop divisions that fell under the central command jurisdiction of the Russian Federation. In several cases, the governments of the newly formed countries demanded the withdrawal of Russian troops and then demolished the remaining military facilities because they were no longer needed. In Latvia, for example, the Latvian military decided that it did not need the Daryal-UM radar station that had been part of the Soviet missile attack early warning system, and the country's leaders were not interested in leasing it to Russia. Russian bases remained in countries whose regimes stayed loyal to Moscow, although on various terms: for example, Belarus allows Russia to use the bases for free, while Kazakhstan tops up its state coffers thanks to a rental agreement with the Russian Defense Ministry.

              These Russian bases abroad have lost their purely military significance. The troops that they accommodate are suited to being deployed for local operations (for example, the planes at the airbase in Dushanbe could take out small groups of fighters), but they would probably not be able to repulse a large-scale attack by a regular army.

              The bases abroad also play a political role by beefing up the Russian presence in a given region. However, the inconsistency of Russian foreign policy and the country's delicate relationship with many of its near neighbors, such as Georgia and Ukraine, has meant that Russian troops are often unwelcome guests and prone to becoming targets of harassment and attacks. In many countries Russian troop divisions have turned out to be entirely redundant, meaning that they have led a semi-mercenary existence since 1991.

              At the moment Russia has 25 military bases beyond its borders; the US, for comparison, has more than 800, while China does not have a single base on foreign soil. In general, a country's interest in maintaining a presence abroad is an indicator of its government's overall geopolitical strategy and of the degree of its military orientation. Russia, however, does not seem to have a clear approach either to the former or the later.

              Taking a look at a map of military bases, it is impossible not to notice a seeming randomness in their dispersal. This appears to be part of a larger problem faced by Russia's armed forces: a lack of a clear grasp on the tasks facing the military and on ideas for how to achieve them. Bases abroad (like everything else in the army) are an instrument, not a goal in and of themselves. However, at the moment neither politicians nor military officials can answer the key question: why we need that instrument and how will it be used "just in case."

              Azerbaijan

              Independent Radar Node (RO-7, object 754), Gabala (Gabala-2, Lyaki)

              The node is a Daryul-type stationary radar hub that is integrated into Russia's missile attack early warning system. It was built between 1976 and 1987 and has been operational since 1985.

              The radar station tracks ballistic missiles launched in Asia and over the Indian Ocean, as well as providing ground contact for objects in orbit in the southern sector up to a range of 6,000 km.

              After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the facility was used for a long time by the Russian military without any formal agreement about its status. The Azeri authorities several times demanded recompense for Russia's use of the base and threatened to remove the radar station from operation.

              Finally, on January 25, 2002, an agreement was reached concerning the conditions under which Russia may use the Daryual radar station in Gabala. According to the terms of the ten-year agreement, the station was classified as an informational-analysis center and declared the property of Azerbaijan. Russia agreed to pay $7 million annually in rent (the Azeri side initially wanted $20-30 million) and to reimburse Azerbaijan $31 million for the period of 1997-2001. Russia also promised to use the station only in an informational-analysis capacity and to share part of any information obtained with Azerbaijan.

              In May 2007, the Russian ambassador to Azerbaijan announced that Russia might look into sharing the use of the Gabala base with the United States, as an alternative to plans to install an American missile defense radar system in the Caucasus.

              The station's commander is Colonel Sergei Starostin. The base employs around 900 soldiers and more than 200 civilian specialists (the agreement between the two governments limits the base's personnel to 1,500 people) and is part of Russia's Space Troops.

              Armenia

              102nd Military Base, Gyumri (Leninakan), Yerevan

              The base was formerly the 127th Motorized Rifle Division of the 7th Army in the Transcaucasus Military District (the division was stationed in Armenia in 1953).

              It was turned into a military base on September 1, 1994, but a 25-year agreement about the establishment of a Russian military base in Armenia was not signed until March 16, 1995. The corresponding agreement between the Russian and Armenian governments appeared on September 27, 1996. Armenia does not collect any rent for use of the Gyumri base and provides for utilities and its day-to-day upkeep.

              The task of the Russian troops in Armenia is to cover Russia's southern flank and to defend Armenia as a fellow member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization.

              The 102nd Military Base includes three motorized rifle regiments (the 123rd in Yerevan and the 124th and 128th in Gyumri), the 992nd Artillery Regiment and the 988th Anti-Aircraft Missile Regiment (both in Gyumri), and the 116th Independent Tank Battalion. The base also houses a combat support division. Russian military facilities in Armenia also include the 3624th Air Base in Erebuni, which has 18 MiG-29 fighter jets, and the 700th air traffic control center.

              The 102nd base has up to 100 tanks, around 300 armored personnel carriers, artillery systems, and anti-aircraft missile complexes of assorted types.

              The commander of the base is Major General Andrei Kholzakov. The base houses around 4,000 personnel and is part of the Group of Russian Forces in the Transcaucasus.

              Belarus

              Independent Radar Node, Gantsevichi (Baranovichi)

              The node is a Volga-type stationary digital radar station that is integrated into the missile attack early warning system. Construction of the station, which was designed to cover disruptions in Daryul-type radar fields (both operate in the decimeter bandwidth), began in 1986.

              The station detects and tracks ballistic missiles in Europe and over the north Atlantic Ocean and the Norwegian Sea and tracks objects in orbit up to a range of 4,800 km.

              The location of the station on Belarussian territory was codified by an agreement between the Russian and Belarussian governments that was signed on January 6, 1995. Russia does not pay for its use of the base (in exchange, the agreement includes a partial write-off of Belarus' energy debt to Russia). In addition, as compensation in place of rent for the station, Russia provides Belarus with information on any movement of missiles or space-based objects within the station's range, as well as military firing ranges for anti-aircraft defenses. The current agreement is good for 25 years.

              The station was put into preliminary testing operation in 2002 and became fully operational in 2003.

              The station's commander is Colonel Boris Brachkovsky. It employs around 600 personnel and is part of the Space Troops.

              43rd Communications Hub, Vileika

              This radar station, which has been in operation since January 1964, is a long-range communications center for the Russian Navy that maintains radio contact with ships and submarines. It also carries out radio intelligence collection and electronic warfare. The station is equipped with a 1000-kW transmitter.

              The location of the station on Belarussian territory was codified by the agreement signed by the two governments on January 6, 1995 (the agreement mistakenly states that the node is a "Russian military facility" that does not have the status of a military base). Belarus receives no rent from Russia for the use of the base. The agreement is valid for 25 years.

              The chief of the Vileika radar station is Captain Vladimir Kuznetsov. The station employs at most 250 personnel.

              Georgia

              12th Military Base, Batumi

              The base was organized from the 145th Motorized Rifle Division of the 9th Army (then the 31st Army Corps) in the Transcaucasus Military Division (the division was stationed in Georgia in 1953).

              Together with three other divisions stationed in Georgia, the 12th Military Base was designated as a Russian military base by the Collective Security Treaty of May 15, 1992. On September 15, 1995, Russia and Georgia signed an agreement in Tbilisi securing the presence of Russian bases on Georgian territory for the next 25 years.

              The Georgian government subsequently demanded the immediate withdrawal of Russian troops from its territory. Two bases, in Vaziani and Gudaute, were disbanded in July 2000. Russia has tried several times to push back the deadline for evacuating its troops: in 2001, Russia demanded 15 years to complete withdrawal; in 2002, it requested 11-12 years; in 2004, 7-8 years; and finally 3-4 years. All of these efforts have been fruitless, however.

              Russian troops have turned up numerous times in conflict situations, particularly in support of the separatism movements in Abkhazia, South Ossetia, and Adjaria. According to the most recent agreement between Russia and Georgia, signed in March 2006, the process of evacuating the 12th Military Base is due to be completed no later than October 1, 2008. The remaining Russian military facilities are to be gradually turned over to the Georgian side.

              The removal of military technology from the 12th base began in July 2005, and the majority of the base's heavy arms have already been evacuated.

              The commander of the 12th Military Base is Major General Anatoly Danilov. The base houses several battalions of approximately 1,000 soldiers. The base is part of the Group of Russian Forces in the Transcaucasus.

              62nd Military Base, Akhalkalaki

              The base was organized from the 147th Motorized Rifle Division of the 9th Army (then the 31st Army Corps) in the Transcaucasus Military District.

              The 62nd base operates in Georgia on the same basis as the 12th Military Base in Batumi. The evacuation of technology from the base began in May 2006, and all heavy arms have now been removed.

              The commander of the 62nd Military Base is Colonel Yevgeny Achalov. The base houses several battalions numbering several hundred soldiers. The base is part of the Group of Russian Forces in the Transcaucasus.

              Collective Peacekeeping Forces, Abkhazia

              Russian peacekeeping forces appeared in the zone of the conflict between Georgia and Abkhazia in June 1994 after Georgian leader Eduard Shevardnadze, facing a crisis in the country and the almost total destruction of Georgia's army, agreed to join the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) and turned to Russia for help. A ceasefire agreement was signed between Georgia and Abkhazia in May 1994.

              The basis of the Russian peacekeeping contingent was made up of the 10th Parachute Division, which had already been deployed to Abkhazia to help evacuate Russian citizens and defend military facilities in the republic.

              Russian soldiers have clashed numerous times with guerilla fighters and have come under fire as the conflict between Georgia and Abkhazia regularly intensifies. In recent years, the Georgian government has repeatedly demanded the withdrawal of Russian peacekeeping troops from Abkhazia and South Ossetia, claiming that they are facilitating the strengthening of separatist regimes and interfering with the reestablishment of order in the region.

              During the peacekeeping operations, around 100 Russian soldiers died in the conflict.

              Currently the collective peacekeeping forces in Abkhazia include three motorized rifle battalions, an independent mortar battery, and engineering and service units. They are equipped with more than 100 armored personnel carriers of different types and four helicopters.

              The commander of the peacekeeping forces is Lieutenant General Sergei Chaban. The force includes around 1,600 personnel.

              Russian Battalion in Mixed Peacekeeping Forces, South Ossetia

              Peacekeeping forces made up of Russian, Georgia, and South Ossetian battalions were deployed to the region in July 1992, soon after the signing of the Dagomyssky Agreement on the Resolution of the Georgian-Ossetian Conflict by Russian and Georgian leaders. Within a few weeks, military activist had ceased and armed groups on both sides of the conflict were disbanded.

              The leadership and management of the mixed peacekeeping forces in South Ossetia was carried out by a united command to which all of the sides contributed senior officers.

              Currently the mixed peacekeeping forces are commanded by Major General Marat Kulakhmetov. The number of Russian soldiers in the region is around 500.

              Kazakhstan

              Independent Radar Node ("Balkhash-9," facility 1291, OS-2), Gulshad (Sary-Shagan, Priozersk, Balkhash)

              In the middle of the 1960s, a stationary radar node of the first-generation Dnestr design was built in the Balkhash region. In the 1970s, two Dnepr radar nodes and a command-computational center were added as part of the missile attack early warning system. In the mid-1970s, the decision was made to add a more modern Daryal-U station to the complex as well, and construction began in the 1980s. In 1990, construction of the station, which was 95% complete, was suspended. In January 2003, the partially picked-over structure of the new radar node was given to Kazakhstan, and in September 2004 the station's receiver was destroyed by fire.

              The remaining independent radar station, with one Dnestr unit and two Dnepr units, is responsible for the detection of ballistic missiles and orbiting objects in Asia. It has a range of approximately 3,000 km.

              According to an agreement signed by Russia and Kazakhstan on December 14, 1994, the Balkhash node is the property of Kazakhstan and has been put in the service of Russia for ten years, with the possibility of an extension.

              The commander of the station is Colonel Viktor Timoshenko. The radar node is part of the 3rd Independent Army of the Russian Missile and Space Defense Forces.

              Facilities of the 4th State Central Multipurpose Firing Range

              In the 1950s, a large number of military facilities and firing ranges were built on the territory of the Kazakh SSR by the Soviet armed forces. The weapons stages of launched rockets landed there, and missile complexes, anti-aircraft systems, telemetry systems, air defenses, laser weapons, and similar technology were all tested there.

              After the collapse of the USSR, the volume of tests at Kazakhstan's firing ranges decreased significantly: according to specialists, they are now operating at 5-10% of their capacity.

              In October 1996, several agreements were signed regarding the rent of the firing ranges by Russia, who offered to partially pay for use of the facilities with deliveries of weapons to Kazakhstan, as well as with the repair of military technology and the training of Kazakh soldiers at Russian military training facilities. At that time, the question of compensation for Russia's use of the firing ranges at the beginning of the 1990s was also settled.

              On November 25, 2005, Kazakhstan and Russia signed a special agreement settling financial issues regarding payment from Russia in exchange for use of the firing ranges. The two sides agreed to move to settling their debts monetarily instead of via the barter system that they had previously agreed upon. Russia also agreed to pay off a debt of $135.73 million for its use of the firing ranges.

              In April 2006, the system of Russian firing ranges in Kazakhstan was reformed: all of them were merged into the 4th State Central Multipurpose Firing Range, whose headquarters is located in Kapustin Yaru in Russia's Astrakhan Oblast. The multipurpose firing range includes the following facilities in Kazakhstan:

              1. The Sary-Shagan10th State Testing Range is located in the Aktyubinsk, Zhambylsk, Karagandinsk, and Kzyl-Ordinsk Oblasts. The area of the firing range is more than 80,000 square meters, and it extends more than 250 km from north to south and 600 km from east to west. It was created in 1956 for testing elements of missile attack early warning systems, air-raid and missile defenses, and ballistic missiles. Starting in 1996, rent for the range was $19.97 million per year, and since 2005 it has been $18.932 million per year. The chief of the 10th firing range is Major General Vilor Matlashov.

              2. The 5580th Testing Grounds (the Emba 11th State Testing Range) is located in Aktyubinsk Oblast. It is used for carrying out scientific experiments and testing models of armed troop anti-aircraft defenses. Rent was fixed at $4.694 million annually in 1996 and at $718,000 in 2005.

              3. The facilities of the 4th State Central Firing Range in Western Kazakhstan Oblast are the 20th Independent Testing Station and two measuring points (IP-8 and IP-16). These structures are used for carrying out flight tests of weapons models. The rent for these facilities was fixed at $1.022 million annually in 1996 and at $682,000 in 2005.

              Facilities of the 929th State Flight Test Center, Atyrausk and Western Kazakhstan Oblasts

              In the 1950s, the Soviet Air Force also began to establish testing grounds in the Kazakh SSR. This building program eventually included scientific facilities, aviation command centers, measuring stations, and battle grounds where targets for air strikes were set up. All of these facilities were under the control of the Air Force Laboratory.

              After the collapse of the USSR, the number of tests dropped dramatically. In 1996, the Russian and Kazakh governments concluded an agreement concerning the conditions under which the Russian Air Force could use the firing ranges on Kazakh territory. The annual rent was originally set at $1.814 million, and it was raised to $4.454 million per year as of January 1, 2005.

              The firing range was designated for flight tests of new weapons models, as well as for the military training of Air Force pilots and Navy aviators.

              Currently the territory of Kazakhstan hosts three test centers of the Russian Defense Ministry's V. P. Chkalov 929th State Flight Test Center, whose headquarters are located in Akhtubinsk in Astrakhan Oblast: the 85th (in the Inderbosk and Mokhambetsk regions of Atyrausk Oblast, near the town of Atyrau), the 171st (near the village of Terekta in the Bokeiordinsk region of Western Kazakhstan Oblast), and the 231st (near the village of Turgai in the Bokeiordinsk region of Western Kazakhstan Oblast).

              Baikonur Cosmodrome (5th State Testing Grounds), Kzyl-Ordinsk Oblast

              The Baikonur Cosmodrome was built in Kazakhstan in the late 1950s. As the Soviet Union's main cosmodrome, it was used extensively for exploring the cosmos in pursuit of both peaceful and military ends. Numerous spaceships and satellites were launched from the cosmodrome, and the facility was also used to test new space technology and weapons systems.

              A 20-year rent agreement for the cosmodrome was signed by Russia and Kazakhstan on December 10, 1994. The annual rent was fixed at $115 million. In 2004, the rent agreement was extended through 2050.

              In the mid-1990s, the Kazakh authorities accused Russia of being delinquent in rent payments and running up a $1.893 billion debt. Eventually, the issue was settled with a special agreement signed on October 13, 1998, according to which both Russia and Kazakhstan agreed to clear their debts.

              Baikonur is Russia's only cosmodrome from which piloted spaceflights can be launched. Its facilities include a launching pad, technical positioning and measuring points, independent mixed air squadrons, and assistance and service facilities and support.

              In 2005, the cosmodrome's facilities began to be gradually transferred from the Russian Ministry of Defense to a civilian entity, the Federal Space Agency. This process is slated to be completed by December 31, 2007. It is possible that some of the Space Troops officers who work at the cosmodrome will be sent to work for the Federal Space Agency to keep the Baikonur Cosmodrome up and running.

              The cosmodrome is under the command of Colonel Oleg Maidanovich and employs around 3,000 personnel.

              171st Command Center, Karaganda

              In December 1975, the 169th Independent Company of the Aerodrome Technical Service was created and stationed in Karaganda, in the Kazakh SSR. It was charged with provided rear support and search and rescue coordination during launches and landings of space-going vehicles at the Baikonur Cosmodrome.

              After the collapse of the USSR, in September 1994 General Headquarters issued a directive restructuring it as an Aviation Command Center, which was accomplished by March 1999.

              The center is commanded by Colonel Sergei Semchenko and employs 50 personnel.

              Kyrgyzstan

              999th Air Base, Kant

              The airbase at Kant was constructed in 1941, when the Odessa Military Aviation Academy was moved to the area. Since 1951, an aviation training division has been stationed at the aerodrome. In 1956, it was elevated to the status of an aviation training division of the Soviet Central Course for training and improving the air corps, and pilots from Asia, Africa, and Central and Latin America came there for training. In particular, Kant was where current Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, former Syrian President Hafez Assad, and Indian Air Marshal Dilbah Singh trained. In May 1992 the air division was transferred to the jurisdiction of Kyrgyzstan, after which it lost its military capacity.

              Russia began to take an interest in billeting its own air division at the base in Kant in the summer of 2002, soon after the Manas airbase near Bishkek was loaned to the United States and its allies in the War on Terror.
              An agreement concerning the status and conditions for the presence of a Russian airbase on Kyrgyz territory was signed on September 22, 2003 in Moscow by the Russian and Kyrgyz defense ministers on behalf of their presidents. The Russian base was officially opened on October 23 of the same year in a ceremony attended by Russian President Vladimir Putin and then Kyrgyz President Askar Akayev. Kant became the first Russian military base opened outside the country's borders since 1991. The agreement between Russia and Kyrgyzstan regarding the status and conditions of use of the 999th Airbase took effect on August 11, 2005.

              The airbase is mainly responsible for control of the airspace in Central Asia and carrying out air strikes against terrorist groups if necessary.

              Five Su-25 attack planes, four L-39 training planes, and two Mi-8 helicopters are stationed at the base.

              Russia spends 130 million rubles annually on upkeep of the base, which is commanded by Colonel Oleg Vinogradov. The base's technical needs are served by 140 pilots and technical specialists. The 999th Airbase answers to the 5th Army of the Russian Air Force and the anti-aircraft defense force of the Volga-Ural Military District.

              338th Communications Hub, Kara-Balta (Spartak, Chaldovar), Chusk Oblast

              This Russian Navy long-range communications station maintains radio contact with ships and submarines and carries out radio intelligence collection and electronic warfare.

              The station operates according to the terms of an agreement signed by Russia and Kyrgyzstan on July 5, 1993.

              954th Test Base for Anti-Submarine Weapons, Karakol (Issyk-Kul Oblast)

              In 1943, the testing grounds for the torpedo-manufacturing plant Dagdizel were evacuated to Lake Issyk-Kul from Dagestan. In 1954, the Soviet Navy created a test center in conjunction with the testing grounds. According to an agreement between Russia and Kyrgyzstan from July 5, 1993, the center is Russian property. At the present moment, the center includes the Koisary Naval Base (under the command of Capitan Andrei Okladnikov) and is responsible for the scientific development of the Kyrgyz-Russian joint project "Ozero" (the project's general director is Nikoali Barabash). Russia holds a 95% stake in the Ozero project, which involves the development and testing of new torpedoes.

              Automated Seismic Station #1, Ichke-Suu (Issyk-Kul Oblast)

              This station is part of the unified automated system of seismic detectors belonging to the Russian Defense Ministry.

              It is designed to detect the testing and use of nuclear weapons around the world, as well as earthquakes.

              The status of the Russian facility was clarified by a protocol from July 21, 1994 and an agreement signed on October 21, 1994 that concerns the conditions of rent for the stationing of divisions of the Russian Defense Ministry's seismic services in Kyrgyzstan. Russia shares part of the information gathered by station #1 with Kyrgyz scientists.

              Radioseismic Laboratory (Automated Seismic Station #17, Mailuu-Sai

              This laboratory is integrated into the Russian Defense Ministry's unified automated system of seismic detectors.

              The laboratory (automated seismic station) is designed to detect the testing and use of nuclear weapons, as well as earthquakes.

              It operates according to the same terms as seismic station #1.

              Moldova

              Operational Group of Russian Troops, Transdniestr

              The Soviet 14th Army of the Odessa Military District was stationed in Moldova and Transdniestr in 1956. After the collapse of the USSR, it was transferred to Russian jurisdiction. At that moment, the region was convulsed by an armed conflict, and the 14th Army participated in breaking its grip.

              The Moldovan government has demanded several times that Russian troops be withdrawn from the region immediately. Russia has refused on the grounds that it needs to protect a large amount of heavy technology and ammunition stored in the region. For its part, the government of Transdniestr has requested that the Russian contingent remain, since the breakaway republic's leaders consider the Russian presence a guarantee of their safety.

              On February 9, 1993, Russian President Boris Yeltsin, after talks with Moldovan President Mircea Snegur, announced his readiness to withdraw the 14th Army. It was decided to define the timetable for withdrawal "according to the achievement of progress in Moldova's definition of special status for its left-bank regions [Transdniestr]." After protracted arguments, at the OSCE summit in Istanbul in November 1999 Russia was forced to agree to withdraw its troops from Transdniestr completely by December 31, 2002 (their presence there violated the newly-adopted Conventional Forces in Europe Treaty). At the end of 1999, personnel, technology, and ammunition began to be withdrawn.

              Soon, however, Russia halted the withdrawal of its troops, pointing to the absence of firm deadlines in the CFE treaty and linking redeployment to the peaceful resolution of the Transdniestr conflict. Negotiations are ongoing. In any case, all heavy arms have already been recalled from the region.

              Simultaneously with the negotiations, the organizational structures and numbers of Russian troops have been cut back. On July 1, 1995, the 14th Army was disbanded, and an operational group of Russian troops in Transdniestr was created in its place. In 1997, the 59th Motorized Rifle Division of the operational group was reformed into the 8th Independent Motorized Brigade, and in 2002 that brigade was disbanded as well.

              The Transdniestr operational group currently consists of two separate motorized rifle battalions (engaged in peacekeeping duties), a security and service battalion, a helicopter detachment, and several support units.

              The group's commander is Major General Boris Sergeev, and it currently has around 1,000 personnel.

              Syria

              720th Material and Technical Support Station, Tartus

              The base in Syria is Russia's only base that is not in a neighboring country. The agreement on the use of the base by the Soviet Navy was signed with the Syrian government in 1971. The base in Tartus provides support for the Russian Navy's maneuvers in the Mediterranean Sea, chiefly ship repair, fueling, and supplies for the 5th Operational (Mediterranean) Squadron. In Soviet times, similar stations were located in Egypt and in the Syrian port of Latakiya.

              In 1977, the Soviet 54th Operational Brigade of Auxiliary Vessels left its bases in Alexandria and Mersa Matruh at the request of the Egyptian government. Property, ships, and other floating craft were transferred to Tartus, where in April 1977 the 229th Division of Naval and Raiding Ship Support was organized under the leadership of the commander of the supply ship brigade of the Black Sea Fleet. In 1984, a material and technical support station was created in Tartus under the leadership of the vice rear admiral of the Black Sea Fleet.

              In 1991, the Mediterranean Flotilla ceased to exist, and since then Russian Navy ships have made only occasional excursions into the Mediterranean.

              This material and technical support station consists of three floating PM-61M moorings (only one of which is operational), floating workshops (changed every six months), a depot, a barracks, and various utility facilities.

              The 720th Material and Technical Support Station is part of Russia's Black Sea Fleet.

              Tajikistan

              201st Military Base, Dushanbe, Kulyab, Kurgan-Tyube

              The base was organized from the 201st Motorized Rifle Division, which was stationed in Tajikistan in the fall of 1945. During Soviet times, it was reorganized several times into a brigade and a regiment, received the title of a mountain rifle division, and had its number changed. In 1964, it again began to be referred to as the 201st Motorized Rifle Division. The division fought in Afghanistan from 1980 to 1989. At the beginning of the 1990s, during Tajikistan's civil war, it was put under the jurisdiction of Russia as part of the collective peacekeeping forces. The division took part in several armed clashes with Tajik and Afghan extremists.

              This Russian division is in Tajikistan according to a friendship, cooperation, and mutual assistance accord signed in May 1993. In April 1999, a special agreement was signed concerning the status and conditions of the existence of a Russian military base on Tajik territory. The agreement was quickly ratified, but that was followed by several years of discussions about the financial conditions attached to the billeting of Russian soldiers. Finally, a compromise was reached: Russia promised Tajikistan large-scale investment of up to $2 billion over five years. In return, the Tajik authorities dismissed the question of payment for the soldiers' presence.

              On October 16, 2004, the two countries signed an agreement about the makeup and organizational structure of the base. The next day an official opening ceremony took place, in which the two presidents participated. The base was initially dubbed the 4th, but its number was later changed to that which formerly belonged to the motorized rifle division.

              The Russian troops in Tajikistan are there to cover the Tajik-Afghan border in case of an attack by militants from Afghanistan and in order to keep a lid on illegal militant groups.

              The 201st Military Base includes three motorized rifle regiments (the 92nd in Dushanbe, the 149th in Kulyab, and the 191st in Kurgan-Tyube), the 670th Aviation Wing (five Su-25 attack planes at the Aini airfield), the 303rd Independent Helicopter Squadron (four Mi-24 and four Mi-8 helicopters at the Aini airfield), the 295th psych-ops unit, and several independent battalions (intelligence and electronic warfare, repair and refurbishment, material support, communications). The division also includes a military support unit.

              The 201st Military Base has around 100 tanks, 300 armored personnel carriers of different types, artillery systems, and anti-aircraft missile complexes.

              The commander of the base is Colonel Alexei Zavizon. The base employs around 7,000 regular personnel. Approximately 60-65% of the soldiers there are serving on a contract basis. The 201st Military Base is part of the Volga-Urals Military District.

              1109th Independent Electrooptical Node ("Okno" electrooptical complex, object 7680), Nurek

              The automated Okno ("Window") complex (54Zh6) is part of Russia's ground-based space-monitoring system. It tracks orbiting objects at a range of 2,000 to 40,000 km, collects coordinates and photometric information about these objects, and calculates their trajectories. The complex is capable of providing global monitoring for orbiting objects over Eurasia, North and Central Africa, and the Indian, Pacific, and Atlantic Oceans.

              Construction on the complex began in 1979. Sanglok Mountain in Tajikistan was chosen as the site because its large number of clear night hours and the transparency and stability of the atmosphere at the site make it ideally suited for optical observations. In 1992, the work was suspended, and it was not resumed until 1997.

              The complex operates mainly on the basis of a special agreement between the Russian and Tajik governments that was signed on January 28, 1994. The agreement cedes the Okno facility to Russia for 49 years for a symbolic annual rent of $0.30. In return, Russian forgave Tajikistan's $242 million debt.

              Okno has been on military watch since March 16, 2004.

              The station's commander is Lieutenant Colonel Alexei Kutuzov. Okno is part of the 45th Division of Space Monitoring, which is under the 3rd Independent Army of the Rocket Defense Forces of the Russian Space Troops.

              Ukraine

              Naval Base of the Black Sea Fleet, Crimea

              The Black Sea Fleet has been based in the Crimea since the end of the 18th century. After the collapse of the USSR, Russia and Ukraine quarreled about the terms of how the fleet should be divided between the two countries. In 1991-1992, the Ukrainian authorities passed several resolutions giving control of the fleet to Ukraine, and the Ukrainian side began to seize ships. In response, in April 1992 Russian President Boris Yeltsin issued a decree transferring the Black Sea Fleet to Russia's jurisdiction "with its subordination to the commander-in-chief of the United Armed Forces of the Commonwealth of Independent States."

              In summer 1992, the presidents of the two countries reached an agreement about the principles of the formation of the Russian and Ukrainian Navies out of the remnants Black Sea Fleet. In June 1995, the two sides signed a new agreement, according to which Russia received 81.7% and Ukraine received 18.3% of the fleet's ships and other vessels. The conflict continued, however, and in October 1996 the Russian State Duma even passed a special law stopping the division of the fleet.

              The argument was finally resolved on May 28, 1997, when an agreement was reached on the terms for the division of the Black Sea Fleet. This document defined the status and conditions of the presence of the Russian Black Sea Fleet in Ukrainian territory and set out the terms for the division of the fleet and the settling of accounts between the two countries. On June 12, 1997, the Ensign of the Russian Navy was raised on board the ships of the Russian Black Sea Fleet.

              The agreement limits the size of Russia's Black Sea Fleet based in Ukraine to 388 ships and 161 planes, and the agreement is valid until 2017. In 2005, the Ukrainian authorities suggested reviewing the agreement concerning the fleet and announced that they do not intend to extend the period of the fleet's presence in the Crimea past the current cut-off date. Ukraine also demanded that it be given several of the fleet's hydrographic facilities.

              Russia pays $98 million annually for use of the naval base in Sevastopol, part of which is paid with Russian gas.

              The following ships from the Black Sea Fleet are currently stationed in the Crimea: the 30th Division (made up of the 11th Brigade of Anti-Submarine Ships and the 197th Brigade of Landing Vessels), the 41st Brigade of Gunboats, the 68th Brigade of Marine Security Vessels, the 247th Independent Submarine Division, and the 9th Support Ship Brigade.

              The fleet's ships include the project 1164 missile cruiser Moskva; two large project 1134 anti-submarine ships, the Kerch and the Ochakov; seven project 775 and 1171 landing vessels; one project 877V B-871 submarine; and several dozen smaller ships (patrol ships, small anti-submarine ships, and gunboats) and auxiliary vessels.

              The headquarters of the fleet is also in the Crimea, as are its air wing (the 43rd Independent Naval Attack Air Regiment, the 917th Mixed Air Regiment, the 872nd Independent Anti-Submarine Helicopter Regiment), the 810th Independent Marine Regiment, the 854th Independent Coast Guard Gunship Regiment, the 1096th Anti-Aircraft Missile Regiment, the 31st Test Center, and various military support units.

              The Black Sea Fleet is commanded by Admiral Alexander Tatarinov. It employs approximately 13,000 soldiers and 16,000 civilian specialists

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              #8.3 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:09 PM EDT

              Pulsar you really could have just pasted a link to whereever you got all this, instead of filling half the page with crap no one will read because its too long for a forum.

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              #8.4 - Wed Jul 25, 2012 8:17 AM EDT

              That's really ridiculous, huge waste of space, it's all in bold, and you didn't even cite your source...how unprofessional

                #8.5 - Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:40 PM EDT
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                Here is an article that shows how widespread the use of torture is by the military and intelligence services in Syria:

                It's interesting to compare the international response to similar issues in Libya, an oil exporting nation to what the international community has done thus far in the case of Syria, an unimportant oil exporter.

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                Reply#9 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:10 PM EDT

                The issue of chemical weapons is not particularloy complex. If you look back through stories about Syria, you will see statement after statement by the Assad people that the "rebels" are actually foreigners, partly driven by the US, Israel and Britain, and partly driven by Turkish cigarette and drug smugglers. And lately the Assad folks are saying that they would only use chemical weapons against "foreign intervention." Looks like they have set up their strongest case to use chemical weapons against their own people, just as Sadaam did with his Reagan-supplied chemical weapons.

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                Reply#10 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:18 PM EDT

                Who cares if he uses chemical weapons and what country they are from, they are rebels and rebels are not citizens. more importantly Assad is more friendly to the west then the rebel ideology so let them burn, they are our enemies not Assad.

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                #10.1 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:28 PM EDT

                But remember Chris, there were NO WMDs in Iraq. George Bush lied to invade... (sarcasm)

                Most ignorant Americans, my fellow countrymen, seem to forget the whole lovely shirade that occurred in the years predating Operation Iraqi Freedom. They seem to forget that thing called the cold war, or how we fought little proxy wars with the then Soviet Union. They forget that during the Russian Invasion of Afghanistan we funneled money and guns to the Mujahadeen and OBL, through the Pakistani ISI. They forget how we backed Iraq against Iran during the 80s following the Iranian Hostage Crisis. They forget that during the same time Saddam Hussein was increasing his stock pile of chemical weapons the US was supposedly doing away with ours. They seem to forget the gassing of the Kurds, or the chemical weapon exchanges between Iran and Iraq.

                My "superiorly" educated countrymen also seem to forget that during the 1st Gulf War, Iraqi aircraft and weapons were being transported out of the country, for "safe keeping". And they certainly don't seem bright enough to realize that NO WMDs were reported found during this latest fiasco, isn't merely a mistake, but more of a coverup. Ask yourself how nice it would be to have plastered on CNN, US made chemical munitions being found in Iraq after we said we "disposed" of them. But intelligence, conscious thought, and the ability to rationalize and reason are traits that are being bred out of us sheep, through the mainstream media, simply because of politics. If you doubt it, one only needs to read the slants from our "trusted sources of the news" on a variety of issues. I am sure you can see what news source supports which political party. Objectivity and honest reporting are far from what you see. In the old Soviet Union, there was a newspaper called The Pravda (the truth). It was nothing more than propaganda. And unfortunately exactly what our news sources are evolving into.

                Remember fellow sheep, the sheppard isn't always your buddy. If you doubt it, ask the ones he's tended only to be led to slaughter.

                But you're most certainly right. There is No Telling what a desperate person would do when faced with their down fall. Desperation forgoes rationality, and rationality is often twisted to justify anything. To call your own citizens "terrorists" and "thugs" while you wield military might against them, has already demonstrated the skewed rationality. Despiration is now starting to settle in...

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                #10.2 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:25 PM EDT

                Agreed that some dictators are better left in power than to create a vacuum where the factions that really hate us can sweep in and gain control, but seriously (victory hail) you don't think a good percentage of the rebels are really the people of Syria who are tired of being under the thumb of an oppressive regime? Hillary is lying to us? Geez!

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                #10.3 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:31 PM EDT

                Hey, victory hail, did you know that your name in German is sieg heil? Now we know why idiots like you support Assad!

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                #10.4 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:50 PM EDT

                The desire to support Assad has shades of the Allies' desire to support the Shah of Iran.

                "Yeah, he may be a bastard, but he's our bastard"

                --FDR

                How did that work out for us again?

                The Assad regime will fall, either sooner or later, the country will sink into a religious ideologically-fueled war and become a despotic regime like Iran, possibly Egypt, Tunisia and or Libya.

                But if we stand in support of the disgusting tyrant dujour, we solve nothing but to reap the ire of the new regime desperate to pick a common enemy to rally against.

                If we support neither, or carefully support the opposition to tyranny, we can both do the right thing and possibly prevent/stifle a complete theocratic takeover.

                Commerce, education and communication is the enemy of theocracies. The best weapons we have against ignorant zealots like jihadists are the likes of Apple, Louis Vuitton and McDonalds. The language of commerce and opportunity speaks a lot louder than the insane rantings from bitter old men looking to sucker stupid boys to do their dirty work under the auspices of religious edicts. It's always the poor POS or extremist countries (we often support) like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Syria, Morocco, etc. that are the haven for these radicals to recruit their new wave of martyrs. I don't hear about Dubai or Abu Dhabi churning out scores of terrorists like the aforementioned. Perhaps we have something to learn from this

                  #10.5 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:53 PM EDT

                  I re posted because it is relevant to Will....You have no proof at all and it actually makes no sense....I remember the cold war....and I don't remember the Afghan people being supplied with chemical weapons and, I might add, they were fighting our major threat the USSR.....But we gave WMDs to Iraq...right? Sounds like conspiracy garbage to me....."Idiocracy"...good job

                  Just stupid....The implication that Iraq's Chem and Bio Weps are in Syria....Is just that, your opinion...No proof of any kind that that is true....and those weapons don't make a mushroom cloud......Just accept the fact that GWB was an idiot and lets move on......Oh...Wait...No aliens took Iraq's WMDs and are keeping them in space for later....LOLZ...You Repugs are a contradiction......Fiscal responsibility and then spend money on war? If your idiot president hadn't spent 10 trillion (Fact), that is part of our deficit, on his wars in the middle east then maybe we could afford to do something when it really mattered....Afgan was the only offender of 9/11(Fact). You guys made bad choices and basically screwed up the global economy through deregulation which caused a large devaluation of the property ownership (devalued 2-3 trillion in 08') and this whole time these bad loans were sold all over the world (Fact)....Good job.....Deregulation is the way to go.....Just cause you can, doesn't mean you should Bankers.....So here we are .........This travesty to humanity in Syria...and without destroying the delicate global economy we really can't do anything.......Two problems Russia and China....These countries are large contributors to the global economy and causing bad relations with them would continue to burden economic growth for the US and we basically can't afford to do it without it being a shared expense of the UN....Like Lybia.... So unless you want large changes in our quality of life....Our hands are a little tied.....This "situation" is the result of foreign policy that wasn't long sighted....Now for the religious nuts....Islam believes that Christ was a prophet...Islam is a harsh religion and if you read their book it is anti anyone who is not Muslim.....Mohammad is known in history (and I am basing this purely on historical fact....personally I have nothing against Islam since we are a country that was founded on freedom of personal belief) for being an extremist....Jews they as well believe Christ was a prophet and then you have the odd variations Sephardim, Hasidic, Messianic, Reconstructionist and Humanistic Jews which all have variations in their belief so that general statement about Jewish belief is just ignorant (and I am not even Jewish). The comment insinuating Obama is Muslim is means you live outside of reality and most likely believe in every conspiracy theory that is out there......I guess he practices his Muslim faith on the spaceship with the aliens and Iraq's WMDs.......I know you guys don't realize this, and maybe you have morale ambiguity, but spreading stuff that is fact less is creating"idiocracy". In other words the world is a little dumber of a place for your word vomit.....

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                  #10.6 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:56 PM EDT

                  Seriously? No...Really?!

                  That is actually very true...Northern Ireland is a good example of how increasing the per capita income stops the terrorists....When people have something to lose it changes their perspective on extremists

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                  #10.7 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:03 PM EDT

                  Peter, you sir are a moron. You need to re-read my post. No where did I say we gave Afghanistan chemical weapons. WE supplied the mujahadeen arms and money to fight the Soviets through the ISI, in Pakistan. Furthermore, it is well known that we supplied Iraq with weapons and technology to create those weapons as a reprisal to the Iranian Hostage Crisis. Do you remember that? Perhaps you should do a bit of research.

                  As I served in the US Military, I can assure you there are a great number of things the public will never know about the shinanagans that occur on almost a daily basis. And think about it Peter, IF we have PROOF that Iraq did indeed use chemical weapons during the Iran-Iraq war, and we know it to be a fact that they used chemical weapons against the Kurds, then why don't you suppose to believe they were all mysteriously gone. Another point to be made my dear friend, as having suffered through the liberation of Kuwait, spending days upon days in the desert wearing a chemical suit, packing atripine, m8 paper and sucking air through a gas mask, not to mention the plethera of innoculations to help prepare the body to counter act various chemical munitions, does it not seem almost ironic that we knew EXACTLY what agents our troops would be and could be exposed to.

                  Every munition manufactured for use by the US Military carries serial numbers. Now consider how utterly embarrassing to our Champions of Democracy it would be to have such supposedly destroyed munitions discovered in the bunkers of Iraq. Even the destruction of such munitions leaves traces. But not even traces were ever discovered in Iraq of the destruction of Chemical Weapons. But there sure as hell were traces, evidence, and proof of their usage.

                  The other point of contention you make is that Republicans are a contradiction is almost laughable given the Right Honorable Chuck Rangle (DEMOCRAT), former chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee. You know, the very same committee that writes the tax laws that apply to US non members of congress. Do you need a reminder of his TAX EVASION, where he didn't report income on rental properties. Or maybe you need a reminder that TAX EVASION - A Felony and Federal Offense lands people like you and me in PRISON. But what happened to little Chucky? How about a mere sanction. A Reprimand before Congress. Big Effing Deal. I used to wipe my backside with letters of reprimand. They mean nothing. But hey, it's only republicans right. Or perhaps you need a history lesson concerning past presidents and wars. I am sure you are going to find more than your fair share of DEMOCRATS who were in charge during our REPUBLICAN ONLY WARMONGERING. But hey, sheep only eat what their sheppard feeds em right.

                  And to speak of fiscal responsibility and the need for our military, consider this. ANY TIME some sht bag country or terrorist group says they are going to attack the US, or places like IRAN or NORTH KOREA start running their mouth, what is the 1st thing people in this country say? How about "Our Military will kick the dogstuffings outta them." Maybe you forget that it takes money to equip, train, and maintain a standing military. And perhaps you should also consider that BOTH PARTIES are failures when it comes to foreign policy.

                  I am far from a conspiracy theorist chief. I am just smart enough to think for myself. But again, I would suppose you believe that our government would never ever do something underhanded, or morally questionable. Or even lie to the public. I guess one only needs to realize Bill Clinton never lied about Lewensky, or JFK never truly intended the Bay of Pigs or supported that farce, and hell, I am willing to bet you probably believe Woodrow Wilson (D) had nothing to do with WWI, or FDR (D) had nothing to do with WWII, or Harry Truman (D) had nothing to do with the Korean Conflict, or LBJ (D) didn't have anything to do with Viet Nam, or maybe the start of the economic downfall of this country had little to do with NAFTA, spearheaded by none other than BILLARY CLINTON (D). But as you say, it is all the fault of Republicans...

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                  #10.8 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:48 PM EDT
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                  Hey tax payers Do you know how much you are paying to the muslum countries,for the leaders to live like king sand the rest are killing ech other??????//

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                  Reply#11 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:24 PM EDT

                  No..... how much? Please, do tell.....

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                  #11.1 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:04 PM EDT
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                  That aught to keep the monkeys in line for a little while, its good to see that some people are still interested in keeping western friendly regimes in power. even if the "morally riotous" fools are not.

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                  Reply#12 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:26 PM EDT

                  Stevo711

                  Hey, victory hail, did you know that your name in German is sieg heil? Now we know why idiots like you support Assad!

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                  #12.1 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:15 PM EDT
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                  Where's Barrack Hussein Obama????

                  HUM, if only Barrack Hussein was not Barrack Hussein.

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                  Reply#13 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:45 PM EDT

                  Ignorant.....I don't remember the last time "Sitting Bull" was the name of our President...You are an Idiot

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                  #13.1 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:06 PM EDT
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                  Many "non-western" countries see the Syrian uprising as a "grab" by the west and it's allies. The rebels are supported, openly, by Saudi Arabia and the USA. Even our "friend", Iraq (conquered by King Bush), is siding with Russia, China, and Iran. Yes, the cold war is still smoldering! Where there's smoke.........

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                  Reply#14 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:54 PM EDT

                  Good luck rebels.

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                  Reply#15 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:01 PM EDT

                  Talking with the Diablo..!

                    #15.1 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:50 PM EDT
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                    it's really a loss for the people of Syria . but it is a Rebel take over. there cities are in ruin. there kids have seen destruction. there own Muslim people are too blame ! look at the other cites the Brotherhood went into and destroyed ! none are showing prosperity ! lol the poor SOB's ! but if you stop and think about it the Muslims goal is to live backward ! live like sand fleas ! LOL. that's there fate !

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                    Reply#16 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:03 PM EDT

                    Here comes the "no fly zone".

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                    Reply#17 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:07 PM EDT

                    Good point, but this time Russia will secure the air space to prevent the "no fly zone".

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                    #17.1 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:13 PM EDT

                    That would be a huge domino to fall...

                      #17.2 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:40 PM EDT
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                      I can easily envision the Shanghai Cooperative Organization growing to include Iran and Pakistan after Syria falls.

                        Reply#18 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:14 PM EDT

                        so much ignorance in here by people who are just sheep believing the western lies.

                        i hope assad would crush those terrorists already, they have destroyed syria and killed hundreds of people. the army will crush them and leave their bodies for the dogs to feast on.

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                        Reply#19 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:21 PM EDT

                        OK, so that makes you a person who believes the middle east lies? Since when is one side of people the ones in the know? Haven't you ever heard there is one side of the story, the other side of the story, with the truth laying somewhere in the middle?

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                        #19.1 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:38 PM EDT

                        @ skunky-shoes

                        Because conspiracy theorists love to take the contrarian-stance since it makes them feel like they know something other people don't.

                        And like the Truthers and Birthers, no matter how improbable and unlikely their assertion and the more evidence mounted against their stance, the more adamantly they stand their ground.

                        Fight the good fight, yallareabunchasheeple!

                        I admire your skepticism and immediate reaction to question information that's handed to you, but your follow-through is lacking and you are falsely and arbitrarily attributing value to the counter-claims for no other reason than simple confirmation bias.

                          #19.2 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:04 PM EDT

                          the sistem create millions of estupid people, work for them !

                            #19.3 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:03 PM EDT
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                            Syria is living proof that the Second Amendment is obsolete. Firearms are no match against an trained military armed with modern heavy weapons.

                              Reply#20 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:45 PM EDT

                              If the rebels had their own guns, the US and it's allies wouldn't have to be shipping them.

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                              #20.1 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:34 PM EDT

                              A trained military with superior firepower is no match for those that are fighting for free and willing to die!

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                              #20.2 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:05 PM EDT

                              The rebels seem to be putting up a good fight nonetheless with the crap they're able to smuggle in.

                              The Assad Regime is able to recapture territory, but we've seen again and again throughout history that an advanced military force can be slowly subdued by a highly motivated and unrelenting guerrilla force lacking the same technological capabilities.

                              Assad has neither the time nor the numbers sufficient to hang onto Syria by himself. So unless the Russians/Chinese take a more direct approach, we will either see a repeat of Lybia, or something slower and more akin to the French Resistance of WWII or the Vietcong during the 1960's.

                                #20.3 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:11 PM EDT

                                A few thousand firearms are no match for a trained military. Do you know how many firearms are legally owned in the US? Last count was over 270 million. And that doesn't even include the millions that are illegal and unregistered. Not even the US military would stand a small chance against that.

                                If the US general populace fought against the government, the overthrow would only take a few days.

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                                #20.4 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:49 PM EDT

                                Seriously, take one more step back in time...the American Colonial Rebels vs The British Empire

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                                #20.5 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:53 PM EDT

                                @ steve. well hardly a few days. A small but heavily armed and well trained force can beat a large untrained group of teabag morons any day. A long protracted guerrilla war would be their best hope.

                                if the rebels are doing well it's because we're arming and training them. Just like we did with the afghans vs russia. Russia was kicking their @ss all over the place till we gave them stinger missiles.

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                                #20.6 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:55 PM EDT

                                If you think the second amendment is obsolete come and try to take the food out of my house.

                                You Libs live like RATS in the big city's looking for hand outs. Yes I'm a redneck and a well to do one.

                                .

                                  #20.7 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:56 PM EDT

                                  @ mike ritter deerhunt1

                                  LOL, your small firearms would be no match for the US military, especially if you tried to hole up at your house to protect your stockpile of Campbell's Soup and frozen tater-tots

                                  If the US military decided to mobilize against its own civilian population, it would easily be as devastating as the situation in Syria if not worse since all the hardware and bases are right here, nothing has to be airlifted, the roads are great and vast and the US already controls and has safeguards in place to ensure control of the telecoms and infrastructure. Additionally, it could turn a lot of that situational awareness infrastructure inward and keep track of most things with satellite surveillance and lock down the coastlines by moving maybe even just a quarter of our naval fleets offshore to act as a blockade...but not to worry, because local law enforcement, the national guard and coast guards will also be helping right next to the FBI and other federal agencies to lock everything down and track activity on a local level.

                                  In areas of resistance, such as your house, and entire city blocks would be handily leveled by howitzer rounds fired from the comfort of your city's nearest Military/National Guard base. If that's too far away, there's always the UCAV that you would never hear coming, have no ability to know when it was there, and be able to do nothing about it when it arrived.

                                  In areas where there was no current resistance, I imagine that suburbs and neighborhoods would be bulldozed to ensure an adequate buffer between sensitive military assets and places for opposition forces to rally...meanwhile populations would likely be sequestered and interned into areas that the military would be better able to control and defend, both internally and externally.

                                  In short, it would be ugly, and bloody and A LOT of people would die in such an insurrection. The guerrilla force would likely win in the end, but that could take maybe a decade or more.

                                    #20.8 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:51 PM EDT

                                    A lot of people who don't know what they are talking about. In a typical head on encounter the US or most other professional militaries would always win. Guerilla warfare is about not fighting head on. The general ratio to effectively fight against guerillas is outnumbering them 10 to 1.

                                    The military here would be vulnerable at its bases, which in many places are just protected by barbed wire. Similar situation in Bosnia occurred once... local hunters kept continually raiding a base by shooting down at it from the hilly woods, ambushing supply trucks. Eventually the soldiers said the hell with it, and gave up.

                                    Also consider that if things were bad enough for the American sheeple to rise up like in Syria, a lot of the military would defect. If ONE or TWO EMP bursts occured over the US, that would cripple the electronic infrastructure and much of what the system would depend on to defend itself with.

                                      #20.9 - Thu Jul 26, 2012 6:19 AM EDT
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                                      Good for those brave people. This may be the deadly part, but it is the easy part. The hard part comes after Assad is gone. The country will be trashed, all the money gone and no nearby allies worth having.

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                                      Reply#21 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:46 PM EDT

                                      Nor internal allies.

                                      The most organized group(s) after the fall will undoubtedly be some Islamic wacko-group and possibly 1 or a few well-liked resistance leaders.

                                      It's amazing that the United States was able to form as it did given how many examples of revolution in other countries typically results in repeated bouts of crushing tyranny and despair.

                                        #21.1 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:14 PM EDT

                                        It predominately had to do with geographical location and logistics technology of the time......Don't ever forget, when we were in our infancy, that when we pist off the Brits they came and burned our Capitol to the ground.....We just weren't worth the expense and Napoleon kept most of Europe focused on him in the late 1700's early 1800's. It is like our economic growth after WW2...It was a fluke....created by the vacuum left from the destruction of almost every major countries infrastructure....England, Germany, France, Russia, and Japan were effectively rubble....This allowed us to re gear for the private sector and supply the world with manufactured goods....People don't realize that prior to WW2 we had the worlds 16th biggest military and not even close to a major world power.

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                                        #21.2 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:26 PM EDT
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                                        Do some research, read about Assad, listen to the man speak. The days are numbered for this two-bit dictator. If his own people don't get him, he should be tried for war crimes.

                                          Reply#22 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:49 PM EDT

                                          We don't due nothing to george Bush and Dick Chaney, you get that ?

                                            #22.1 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:10 PM EDT

                                            Franko' and p.josh banned, death wishing.

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                                            #22.2 - Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:56 PM EDT
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                                            The rebels are US and European mercenaries and need to be crushed. No country ever has rebels with such fire power. The world knows the US is financing these wars - Egypt, Libya, Syria and perhaps Iran. There is no place for such tactics for political gain at the behest of Israeli demands. Let Syria destroy these rebels and expose the game for the world to see. And let's go ask the Libyans how wonderful their lives are now that kaddafi is killed. UN has become nothing but a front for the big six.

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                                            Reply#25 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:11 PM EDT

                                            So far, so good. Uncle Stupid is keeping his big nose, (as well as our money and troops), out of this conflict. Now if we can only stay out of the follow-on rebuilding and troop stationing. Fortunately, Russia and China are involved, so we probably won't get involved.

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                                            Reply#26 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:12 PM EDT

                                            where do u think those terrorists (rebels) gets their american made guns from?

                                              #26.1 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:46 PM EDT

                                              Ok...Where? And what guns exactly?

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                                              #26.2 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:32 PM EDT
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                                              The chemical weapons ARE from Iraq. Some of the jets are ALSO from Iraq. Dumbasses in this country just can't get their head around weapons of MASS destruction are alive and well in the middle east cause of SADDAM. HE USED those same RUSSIAN supplied weapons and some that were made in IRAQ against his own people. READ a BOOK or TWO from some AUTHOR that knows someting about weapons and war. LIBERALS or DEMOCRATS need not apply. This is where the trail ended for the weapons.......

                                                Reply#28 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:14 PM EDT

                                                Where you all people get your information's from , CNN , ALJAZEERA , FOX AL ARABIA and our politicians , they all are lying about what's really happening in Syria , The chemical weapons that you all worrying about so so so much , the Israelis Intel. minister today said , that all the hype for no reason , Assad has control of all his weapons and they are safer with him than anybody Else and Assad never used them and for the Israelis leaders to come down and quit scaring the people in Israel , But the truth of the matter is , we are more scared for Israel sake as always and we want to go to wars always to protect the country that have more chemical , biological, and nukes than any body in the whole Europe and ME thanks to us , and on the other hand no body woriig about the 4 million Christians in Syria , they are getting murdered by our thugs the Alqaida , the Saudis and Qataris admitted to paying these thugs to do that and off course Mrs. Rice our UN Representative said and I quote , WE ARE GOING TO INCREASE THE HELP TO THESE REBELS , we are increasing the arming and help , not starting , INCREASING , that's means my American friends and family , WE ARE ARMING ALQAUDA , THE SAME DAMN PEOPLE THAT ATTACKED US ON 9/11 .

                                                  Reply#29 - Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:15 PM EDT
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