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Russian Interior Ministry via EPA
Investigators working at the site where plastic barrels containing human fetuses were found in a forest near Nevyansk on Sunday.
A Russian fisherman made a gruesome discovery Sunday when he stumbled upon four barrels of human fetuses in a forest in the Ural Mountains, police said Tuesday.
The fetuses were found several miles away from a highway linking the region's capital, Yekaterinburg, with another big city, Nizhny Tagil. Officials believe that they may have come from four local hospitals and have started an investigation.
"It seems the company responsible for disposal of the bio-medical waste did not carry out its duties," the deputy head of the regional government, Vladimir Vlasov, said on state television.
Police said the 248 fetuses were preserved in formaldehyde. Photographs from the site showed fetuses with tags scrawled with numbers and inscriptions that Russian media said were family names. The fetuses have since been placed in a local morgue.
Resident Sergei Tvritinov told state television that his friend spotted the barrels while fishing.
“He ran into some water canisters and wanted to take them home, but when he came closer he saw little baby bodies," Tveritinov said.
The Health Ministry said it had ordered a check of local hospitals to prevent such incidents occurring again.
"The rude violation of medical ethics causes indignation," the ministry said in a statement. "It's inadmissible from both the moral and legal viewpoint."
The Russian Orthodox Church used the incident to emphasize its opposition to abortions.
The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report.
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Kill the babies in the womb without a fuss, then throw a fit when the remains aren't "disposed" of without notice.
Typical humanist amoralism.
I agree. The outrage is over the improper disposal of bodies, not the killings themselves.
Tut tut! Not "babies", but "fetuses". One must maintain the doublespeak and euphemisms lest a prospective aborter feel intimidated. Terms like "baby" may keep them away from the (pffft!) "medical treatment".
I agree with the Max and Herald.... Babies used to be national treasures. The next president, inventor, statesman, great scientist, but now they are disposable... People now will sleep well with million upon millions of abortions but kill a the wrong fish or bird and do federal time with a hefty fine. Babies (for society) holds them back from progress. Then when they get older they become a "marketing block" and they are only valuable to society when they able to produce or vote. I'm pro life and I refuse the status quo. I realize that abortion is legal and it won't change soon. But can't every one agree that It (abortion) has become a "fire escape" for routine pregnancies?
......it's probably just the overflow from China. They're experts at killing babies. They just needed a new place to hide their shame.
That is because a baby is different from a fetus. A baby has been born and has left the womb. A fetus has not. These are not euphenisms because they have different meanings. Do not try to impose your religious defenitions on others.
From Webster's
Notice that fetus is not listed as a synonym
Herald, Max, Merlin, and others please fly to Russia and begin the adoption process. You can prevent these atrocities from happening. While you are at it, there are thousands of orphan babies right here in America in need of good homes. Please do your part in supporting life and put your money where your mouth is.
OMG dave. You pull out dictionary definitions to justify your opinion. How cold and scientific of you. If anything, you just enhanced the prior opinions. And btw, you don't have to be following a religion to feel that this is just wrong!
The Oxford dictionary defines “fetus” as “an unborn or unhatched offspring of a mammal, in particular, an unborn human more than eight weeks after conception”. The origin of the word is a Latin word of the same spelling, meaning “childbirth” or “ offspring”.
MMBeer... why don't you also advocate euthanasia for people who are unwanted in general? You know: "useless eaters"...
Why shouldn't I pull out a dictionary? Religious fanatics are quick to pull out a bible. As for being scientific, thank you! I would rather look to science for answers than mythology.
Sometimes the baby can be the next Jim Holmes, Adolf Hitler, Idi Amin, sex predator serial killer aka Jack The Ripper.... and on and on. Just that as much as one of those babies could have been the greatest scientist who ever lived, could also have been the worst evil murderer.
The point is, most humans 99.9999% grow up to be just an average Joe.
I am agnostic pro-life.
I hold abortion as morally wrong, but realise abortion is not morally wrong in other circumstances. A woman just wanting to get rid of a baby because it will be an inconvenience, is just wrong. On the other hand, a big government or religious doctrine banning all abortions regardless of medical issues or mental trauma is also none of their damn business to get between a woman and her consequence with a God. As long as a life form is breathing and feeding on its own, taking that life is the ONLY deed of murder.
@ unbelievable and dave
I'm not religious at all and I find abortions abhorrent. With all the methods of contraception out there (and believe me, I support their use) there is no longer any excuse for it. If two consenting adults decide to have sex without contraceptives the fault lies squarely on them. In the event that they use contraceptives, break the odds and the woman still gets pregnant, fault STILL lies squarely on them. We all know that reproduction is the natural function of sex. It's not an amusement park down there.
@Dave. Thank you for the education on Definitions... however let me educate you.
Both are defined as life. For example... If you found embryonic life on another planet.... would it be OK for me to destroy it since it's not REALLY life? Or should "it" be protected, studied, preserved? I all ready know the answer... class dismissed.
To Flame and everyone else, I never stated whether or not I condone abortion. I think that that is a personal decision which people must make for themselves based upon their own circumstances. I was merely responding to those who erroneously claimed that people were using euphemisms to dehumanize abortion. Clearly these words have different meanings. Personally, I think that if you found embryonic life on another planet, you should consult it's parents before you do anything with it. You really should get back to class, you seem to be missing way too much!
" you should consult it's parents before you do anything with it " So Dave, if you might allow me, do we now consult " The Parents " and if not why not?
lessinvasions - sometimes abortion is the only way to say the woman's life. This happens more than we are willing to admit because then we understand there may be a reason for abortion. Would you have rather I died or had the emergency abortion that saved my life?
#1.16
Statistics Please,
jfl1971
"sometimes abortion is the only way to say the woman's life."
That is a very, very feeble response to justify abortion. I feel certain true instances of abortions you describe are insignificantly small compared to "other reasons" for an abortion.
I also have not statistics to support it, but I believe many, possibly most,
pro-life advocates would support abortion in a decision to choose one life over
another. That is far different that choosing abortion as a means of birth
control. - Buzz
If a doctor deems it necessary for you to have an abortion to save your life of course I would support it. Too many people pull the plug because it just isn't convenient for them to have a baby right now. THAT's the part I oppose. I can scarcely think of a more selfish act.
statistics are what you asked for: According to the AGI studies for Wm. Robert Johnston foundation, in 2004 approximately 4% of all abortions are to save a woman's life. That was approximately 52,000 women.
Here is the link: (if it doesn't show, search johnstons archive . net
#1.20
ok Thank you, so of about 4million abortions 40.000 are " life death " choice, so what % do you think that is and do YOU, think that that statistics the odds are what you would accept if it was your life Vs someone else?
Isnt it a shame that society has become so desensitized to believe just that. Gotta love that political Word Salad jargon. Its not a baby were aborting, its just a Blob of cells. You know whats funny, as I am sitting here typing this, looking at my body right now, I am a blob of cells.
Child in the Womb is considered extremely Young too. Just because a baby is on the inside of the mother, doesnt mean it ha snot started to live yet or age. like the rest of us. So in essence, an unborn baby is Young. This unborn child is dependant in its mothers nurishment. I find it incredible that people would say this is a religious belief. You can be a believer and not in God and still see plainly this is ending the life of a child. Pretty sad that people have been brainwashed into thinking blobs of cells, like its nothing, just trash that will be nothing more then trash.
Here is whats more silly. I ponder the idea of prosecuters in the Batman slayings at the theater with that Young girl that dies who was carrying unborn child. Double Homocide or not ? You decide.
I have heard some very wonderful stories from Chrisitan women who took that chance, and when the doctors said its your life , or the babies, the mother chose to save the childs, in the end, both lived.. Not saying that is the case for everyone, but it shows real appreaciation of a Mother to her unborn child , showing it the utmost respect as a human being, and citizen of this country, and a wonderful life that will be born. Mother is not afraid to die because she knows that she is saving her childs life, and that if she does die she will be waiting in heaven , to meet up with her Child again some day. What a great story of womens faith and love for their children.
@where's waldo
lol, another sinophobe blaming china for everything.
#1 the ural mountains are on the european side of russia, not the asian side, it would be much easier for chian to dispose of fetuses by incineration or in the ocean, rather than ship them thousands of miles into another country for secret burial in an isolated forest
#2, russias birthrate is way below replacement level- guess why? because tons of russian women abort their babies, the russian government has to actually PAY women to get them to have children
but nice try blaming china
@marmaduke - yes, I do think that is wonderful, but abortion should be an option. I was given the option of waiting and seeing. I was 16 weeks gestation when I started to hemorrhage. An emergency ultrasound and many other tests showed that a vessel on the placenta had ruptured. While doing the tests, the medical staff was pumping me full of blood and saline trying to keep me alive. I was given a choice, I could have an emergency abortion and they might be able to save my life or I could wait for my unborn baby to die and die with it because by the time he (yes, I said he) would die, I would have less than a 1% chance of being saved. I was already going in and out of consciousness from loss of blood. I had kidney impairment from the amount of blood I lost and luckily that turned around with time.
@Eagle - the study only looked at one year, not the 40 that they have been counting the number of abortions and the study only looked at 7 states out of 50. So for the one year the study looked at, and for the 7 states that was analyzed, the average percentage was 3% of all abortions for those 7 states. Some states analyzed the percentage was as high as 7%. Maybe if all 50 states and the additional territories were analyzed the % would be different (higher or lower). Also, using your total number of abortions, we would also need to have tracked each and every abortion since Roe v. Wade was passed and I am not sure if that was done.
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I Am glad, that You are alife and well sharing your experiences with us.
Never the less, do not in any way think that " abortion " is about " saving lives " My response to you about the FOUR Million (4) Abortion minimum recorded/year is evidence of that!
As posted earlier and on other threads " Abortion clinics " in most cases treat woman as " herded cattle and for profit " if you are sincere and want to know the facts from the fiction and propaganda, look up " body parts sale " and you I am sure will be enlightened, but as always the " rotten hide among the crowds ", Please keep well and healthy but never assume that it is worth while to " willingly and UN necessarily sacrifice 99 for 1 ".
I do believe in the end its the womans choice. I am not against that, but there are so many senseless ones done.
Also the big bag of red tape when society tries to say that a fetus is a human being and when its not in relation to when its life is ended. That was in reference to what was said farther up in posts.
The whole thing is way wrong.... People are sick!
Save the whales and kill the babies. What is wrong with that(sarcastic)?
And pray tell, what did the Logger find in the Ocean.
Shhhhhh.....Free bait.
I tried not to laugh. The truth hurts, and the truth is your comment is frikin hilarious. You get an up, but I will feel guilty about it all day.
your response shows the depth of mans inhumanity. your contempt for for human life is vulgar.
... and the joke police have arrived.
Hope he brought plenty of anise. Gunna need something to cover up that formaldehyde stench
In soviet Russia..... eh nevermind.
Ok I laughed too >.< Shouldn't have but did.
i figure they loaded'em up with a pitch folk... and made baby food...
Just another day in Russia.
Nizhny Tagil is supposedly one of the worst cities in all of Russia. I remember reading this story in Maxim 5 years ago about the discovery of a mass grave of teenage prostitutes.
Not to make light of this, but wasn't there an episode of the X-files or some crime procedural where this happened?
There weren't this many but the situation was the same.
It's so nice that the Russians have become capitalist as well. If you think we wouldn't do this in the US you're wrong. If there was a buck to be made we'd do it in a heartbeat.
mj..."It's so nice that the Russians have become capitalist as well."
Yep, that would have never happened under Communist rule.
(Although slaughtering several million people was OK.)
Russians were aborting babies LONG before becoming capitalists. Also, remember that funeral parlor whose owner was merely dumping the bodies on his large chunk of land and pocketing the burial expenses? It only happened a few years ago.
Giant headline, scant information. Not surprising that religion is swooping in to say "look at me".
No, they are saying what is this crazy b!tch talking about?
could be a bi-product of the russian porn industry!
The porn industry is rich enough to afford contraceptives and avoid pregnancy.
Fisherman in the forest? He needs a GPS.
Is that the best you can do?
Sorry, Joe. I wouldn't have posted knowing you would disapprove. Too late to delete. Have a good day!
Fresh water fisherman, never heard? There are rivers and lakes with fish surrounded by forest.
This seems pretty hypocritical to me. Didn't protect them while in utero, but they're going to raise a stink NOW? Over improper disposal? What I'm wondering is WHY were they in formaldehyde, a preservative! With a few exceptions, I AM against abortion, and not just for the sake of the aborted babies. From what I have seen, there are also longlasting feelings of guilt and regret that many of the mothers have for the remainder of their lives, but recieve no counseling for other than that at the time of the procedure. That is just here in the US- who knows about the other nations. Now the women of that area in Russia who have had abortions within the past few months are going to know EXACTLY how their fetuses were disposed of, and it is sure to re-emphasize any feelings of regret or guilt they have.
I know this post will provoke some women to respond saying they have and never have had any feelings of regret or guilt for the abortion they had. Fine for you. I'm glad no child was subjected to having you as a parent then. You know, I have no objections whatsoever to birth control- the prevention of 2 half lives (sperm and egg, of course) from coming together to create a person. But if anyone ever needed proof that these aborted fetuses WERE children then the fisherman's reaction to finding them should say it all- "when he came closer he saw little baby bodies". I bet he'll never forget that sight! Anyway, enough from me. I'm sure this incident is enough to disgust most of the world. It surely disgusts me.
"Medical WASTE"?
This disgusts me. 248 lives that had the potential to change the world are thrown together in a vat of chemicals and just tossed away without a second glance... Atleast give them a proper grave, or cremate them. The people who disposed of them didn't even seem to have the conscience that they were doing something horrific. Where is the humanity? ("It seems the company responsible for disposal of the bio-medical waste did not carry out its duties," the deputy head of the regional government, Vladimir Vlasov, said on state television.) They are kids for christ sake. Most of them probably victims to abortion...
Humanities play on words.......changing the word to 'fetus' does not change that it's a child.
Changing the word to 'choice', does not change that it's murder of the most innocent of a society.
"A nation that kills its own children, is a nation without hope" .
No 'play on words'. Fetus is the most accurate word.
Actually, yeah it does. Murder is by definition an unlawful act. A lawful death is not murder. Whether you agree with the law is another matter. That said, these fetuses might have been the result of murder, but the article does not provide enough information to make that determination.
Furthermore, a large number of people on this thread appear to be making assumptions over the cause of these deaths. I saw nothing in the article to state that they were the result of abortions, or how recently they died, or over what period of time. Miscarriages, perhaps? Or a combination?
A noble-sounding platitude, but a platitude nonetheless.
No, it's still a fetus and not a child. there is a difference.
Wrong, It is a life that is forming and you snuffed out the life. that is murder. Only a liberal can take a murder and turn it into a sympathy killing. A child "WOULD" have formed except for the act of executing it. That sounds like murder to me. How can you determine that something is alive yet not consider it murder when you willingly end it's life cycle. How do you not consider the fetus to be alive?. Abortion has become birth control. if 4% are done to save the life of the mother then 96% are done for in-convienence to the parties involved. Abortion ends a life...........
It's a life form. But it's not human life yet.
Depending on where you live, the law would disagree with you.
You presume too much. I made no mention of my poilitical leaning.
Key words: "WOULD have." How do you know for sure? But it's not yet a child!
By that logic, I can consider it murder if you take antibiotiics to fight an infection.
Abortion is hardly used as fisrt line birth control. It's usually the last line.
So you're ok with the 4% then? What about in cases of rape or incest? Besides, abortion is the decision of the parties involved, namely the woman! You're not involved so it's none of your business!
to make jokes and laugh at the murder of babies and their being disposed of like so much garbage shows to true the heart of many very sad people, i pray god has pity on you because you deserve none.but it is never to late to ask for forgiveness from god
The article says that the fetuses had been preserved in formaldehyde. That does not sound like medical waste; I think there is something going on here other than improper disposal of medical waste.
This is such a sick story. So glad for a change this isn't in Florida. But the headline sounds like it could have been.
Please, the Russians would NEVER elect an idiot like Rick Scott. They couldn't possibly be that stupid, only the carpet-baggin Tea-Baggers are.
Go FLaNative55, Go ! Yeah !
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the fishermen should have used them for bait !!!!
I am not a complete "anti abortionist" but this is what becomes of Your babies people. For your "just another medical procedure". Either here in the woods or in another garbage can, limbs ripped apart, etc. I can't believe the administrator referred to this as biomedical waste! I feel like I'm living in some science fiction movie about some weird future society.
welcome to reality, see what is the Value of " foetus body parts " and then you be better informed! so " waste " is only what cannot be " sold by due date "
Satan is alive and well in Russia, AND the obammunist U.S.S.A. Woe to those who kill the Lord's Children.
Err...Satan is alive and well everywhere in this world. You just HAD to bring politics into it didn't ya?
lol
The fisherman who made the discovery: "little baby bodies".
The spokesman: "bio-medical waste".
My sympathies to the poor man who had to make such a gruesome discovery. I'm sure it was horrible for him. He at least has a heart and a soul.
DAVE-----the science says the same thing as the Bible, wake up or are you still bitter because you left a mediocre , you thought you were better than all the ordinary everyone else's at your local church growing up , so now you think you are half intelligent by just saying you "choose" science over "myth"? You are a fool , most of the truth and the science is still always stranger than fiction, and so much is possible when we discover new things providential of a Creator if one so chooses to acknowledge that. How can you say "chance" in life and think , yeah it could be normal to control populations and destroy babies before they grow. Science has measured a lot and the science shows how sick abortion would truly be, it already proves where life really begins with microscopes and seeing the once invisible. Dude, certain aspects of what man makes out of religion are definitely bad and can get out of hand but the reality of Christ, and the Bible and the scriptures and the most other notable "religious" texts that exist today come from hard core historical truth and providence, many of the greatest minds in history had to contend with absolute truth and the idea that there is undoubtedly a higher power. So to me in became grace and a burning bush , the starting point, to the Father, my Maker,,,forgiveness and mercy,,,the renewal and metamorphic self evident truths in nature aside form the personal encounter it is very logical to see why we are in this mess, sin is real, good and evil is real, and certainly a God could and will re make all things and yet is allowing weeds and wheat to grow together for now to allow a crop of some kind to grow and come to a full fruition in all time, and there will be a judgement day , and there is a moral government of the divine....and what we do here on earth is significant, designed and not by chance. Your once hurts by a church or arrogant skepticism's are understandable but that does not mean you understood what the light of revelation really was and is and is to come, sacrifice and surrender and self denial is very important , we all fail, but we still can get up again and we can no longer deny the reality of sin and the madness of life and yet the utterly wonderful amazing purity of creation which only blemish is that of its fracture because of sinful nature. but re makes things and obviously will be patient , love endures and the Lord , the True King can make it right in an instant , most of that will be more than eyes can see and things of the Spirit we know nothing about,,,
Man, talk about something that shows how messed up the world is. We've had some serious stuff in the US too with this.
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Yes If I recall right, a few years back they had discovered a whole container of foetuses in jars from Mexico, so it is not news that is for sure!