After they made up that whole "Holocaust" thing, nothing that Israel does surprises me anymore (<---Sarcasm)...I do have to wonder though if normal Iranian people are shaking their heads, and asking to trade their leaders for a bunch of Bachmanns, Pelosis, and Franks

So, you don't find making jokes about the Holocaust to be in poor taste?

considering that i didn't, it didn't concern me much...(Just for the people form Oregon)...The joke was about Iran's claim that the holocaust is a myth created by Israel

Why ? You really think that Israel had within just a couple of hours proof that Iran or Hezbollah was behind this ?

That spokesperson is right, Israel threw the accusation without knowing who it was, purely to make Iran look bad and make it easier to attack them.

For all we know, maybe it was Iran, but at the time Israel accused Iran, it was impossible to know who did it.

No doubt. Too bad the Iranians do not have the will power to over through their Government, there is no way many people would back them if a standoff like in Syria happened. Every action they take gets more sanctions slapped on them. Soon buying food in Iran is going to cost as much as filling up a hummer here in the States.

That coupled with massive poverty and bleak outlooks is what set off Egypt, I can only hope the citizens of Iran will be so bold.

I wouldn't presume to know if Israel had proof of Iran's involvement at the time the accusation was made. However, it certainly would not surprise me.

Israel's intelligence entities are considered to be the best and the most successful and productive in the world. I think it can be taken for granted that it's network of operatives inside Iran is vast, and involves many Iranians in every aspect and agency of Iranian society. Iranian citizens who have concluded after 33 years of living in a totalitarian theocracy that the only way that Iranians will be able to dispose of their repressive government is with the help of outside forces such as Israel the US and NATO largely eliminating that government in response to Iran's intransigence about their nuclear weapons program.

So I think it's very possible indeed that Israel knew from its Iranian operatives that a suicide bomber or bombers had been dispatched to attack Israeli citizens; possibly even knew to where they were sent.

Lavon Affair, USS Liberty, the 'tennis players' in Dubai...it's not like it has not happened before. I cannot see what Iran would get out of attacking tourists but only to play into Israel's hands for the world to attack Iran and to allow Israel, which has no support in Israel for the war, to rally the masses behind the current government,

"The Lavon Affair refers to a failed Israeli covert operation, code named Operation Susannah, conducted in Egypt in the Summer of 1954. As part of the false flag operation,[1] a group of Egyptian Jews were recruited by Israeli military intelligence for plans to plant bombs inside Egyptian, American and British-owned targets. The attacks were to be blamed on the Muslim Brotherhood, Egyptian Communists, "unspecified malcontents" or "local nationalists" with the aim of creating a climate of sufficient violence and instability to induce the British government to retain its occupying troops in Egypt's Suez Canal zone." - Wikipedia

Key word above is failed. Had it not failed, we all might believe today that it was one of the groups above that carried it out. I am sure there have been many successful operations since.

That was one dumb joke. Absolutely nothing funny about it retard. Go look up pics and info on the holocaust and see if anything in there is funny.

From certain unconfirmed (by who, I don't know) reports, some survivors of the bus attack said the bomber shouted something in favor of iran or hezbollah, before detonating his bomb. I would guess that is where the suspicion of irans involvement to the bus bombing is coming from. You just won't hear that on U.S. news reports because we are actually getting our news censored as to not upset others.

car56

"That was one dumb joke. Absolutely nothing funny about it retard. Go look up pics and info on the holocaust and see if anything in there is funny."

I'm with you, 'car56.' My Dad was in the US Army Infantry in WW2, and his Company in the 2nd Infantry Division 'liberated' one of the camps of the Terezin (Theresienstadt) Concentration Camp network in Czechoslovakia. What he saw there was so horrific that he suffered periodic night terrors for the following 52 years until his death. This was a man who landed on Omaha Beach and fought in the Battle of the Bulge; but it was Terezin that haunted him the rest of his life.

I don't see anything worthy of jokes and sarcasm concerning the Holocaust.

get over yourselves. the best holocaust jokes i've ever heard were from israelis while i was living in israel sitting around the shabbat dinner table.

How about this one, I was told a few days ago...jpe ,smu kred vsm upi goy om s jimfso...smdert...23, 4 om yjr gtpmy, 4 om yjr nsvl, smf 15 om yjr sdjytsu

And I thought our politicians were pretty dumb! Iran breeds them like rabbits!

Why does MSN print such garbage? It is enough for me to find a different news source.

@John

Supply and Demand...they Supply what their readers Demand...I'm not sure how we got here, but it now takes about 6 news sources to get all your shopping done...

Just another provocation by Iran to get Israel to strike first

Nobody can tell a good Jewish joke like a Jew. Look at Joh Stewart. Short version I heard. "Joel, want to buy an elephant for $100? I live in a NYC apartment, what do I want with an elephant? (Back and forth) "Okay, I sell you 2 ,for $150." "Deal"

A clothing manufacturer takes his Son to a clothing auction. He ends up with 100,000 black bras for $25,000. His son asks why the buy. His Father says "We'll cut them in half and cut off the straps. They are silk. Do you have any idea what black silk yarmulkes are selling for today?"

Yes, I am a conservative Jew.

Robert In Oregon;

so Israelis have got a vast spy net inside Iran, so they could accuse Iran right after explosion. the question is why did not Israel want to prevent it? they said right after bombing that Iran was behind it, they could easily prevent it. don't you think that something fishy is going on?

Let's be honest now. Does ANYONE here really believe anything the Iranians say?

Why ? You really think that Israel had within just a couple of hours proof that Iran or Hezbollah was behind this ?

Not impossible. The intelligence services of most nations have some inkling of what plots are in the wind.

Am I sure that it was the Iranians behind this suicide attack? No, and it is not utterly impossible that the Israelis engineered such an attack against its own citizens, not because the Israelis are more cynical and brutal than any other nation in the world, but because there no innocent parties in the terrorist game, especially in the Middle East.

But, were I placing a bet in Vegas, my money would be on the Iranians as the organizers of this attack. They have reason to be angry with Israel over recent terrorist actions on their own soil, and conversely, the Israeli's have never needed much of an excuse to carry out any military strike if they strongly feel it is in their interests. If they wanted to, and felt capable of it, they would attack Iran tomorrow, and say the hell with world opinion.

The Israelis may have been premature in accusing Iran, and maybe in error, but Iran's accusation is ridiculous.

Maybe the Iranians read these discussions, where some of the most rabid anti-Zionists accused Israel of the crime.

Israel desperately needs to drag US into an attack on Iran. I would not be surprised if this bombing was yet another Mossad crime against it's own citizens in the name of 'greater good'.

To anyone here who is actually suggesting that Israel was behind these attacks - you are all idiots of the highest proportions (someone has to say this).

I understand when people criticise Israel...Israel is not perfect and certainly the critiscm helps to keep Israel in line. But when you make such ridiculous, stupid accusations against Israel, you are flaunting your bias and inability to think objectively about the Middle East. That makes it hard to take any other statement you make seriously.

And of course Iran was ultimately behind the attacks. They basically provide the funding for all sophisticated terror groups that target Israel. Hizbollah and Hamas are its proxies.

Rockmebritney: I grew up in Israel, went to school there, and served in the Israeli Army and spent many a Friday night in the company of friends and family and have never heard the rubbish you just posted. If that is indeed the case, I would reconsider and re-evaluate my friendships if I were you.

I'm with Basil, if that is true, Rockmebritney, your friends are disturbed. I've heard Jews on occasion tell stereotypical money jokes, but the Holocaust is NEVER funny.

Is there anyone here who was born yesterday and believes Israel blew up the bus? We can forgive any people who have suffered brain damage who may believe that Israel would do something like that.

Also, I won't mention any names, but there are certain posters who are sure to show up at any minute to lauch their tirade against Israel.

Also, Israel does not need the US to assist them in any war against Iran or any other country. They are perfectly capable of handling any enemy on their own, especially nut-job led countries. Btw, I am not Jewish

Look

Up

Operation

Northwoods

Zionists were always willing to sacrifice their own people to promote their political agenda: http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/antisemitism/nazisupport.cfm/

myspellcheckerisbroken:

I agree 100%.

Of course Israel could use America's help in attacking Iran. But don't think for a second that Israel can't do it themselves, and won't do it, should Iran get close enough to developing a nuclear bomb.

In fact, it's quite the opposite. Israel wants to strike Iran, and Obama is holding them up..Obama doesn't want that type of conflict before the election. Had Bush or even Clinton been in office still, Israel likely would have struck Iran already.

I'll say this. The talking head in Iran usually has nothing but BS oozing out of his mouth but the Israelis are also not the most straightforward and honest group either. I don't (pause) think the Israelis did it, however I would not put it past them. History has already shown they will put what they think is their countries best interest before anything else and that includes their own citizens if it comes down to it (though the US does that to). Looking at the whole situation the Israelis have alot more to benefit from this than Iran. Though I would imagine there are those on both sides that a tired of the idiots running things and would like it to just stop already. The amount of time and energy spent hating that could be used on more productive things for both countries is just sickening. The root of all this are those that have hijacked and use religion as their reasoning to do the evil things they do (this is for all the main religions). Not calling religion all bad, there are good traits to it, but its sad to see how those good traits and original intents are overshadowed or pushed aside and how it has been corrupted and turned into a tool to do bad. That's why I fear this will never get any better over there, to much focus on benefiting one group rather than trying to solve the situation in a way that is good for all. Sad Sad.

It is time

Israel's intelliegence agency is much better than the cia. they probably knew who did it. They are not contrained by being politically correct.

I don't believe a word that comes out of Iran's mouth.

Khazaee said. "I could provide ... many examples showing that this regime killed its own citizens and innocent Jewish people during the last couple of decades.

Instead of providing "many examples" provide many facts.

I could care less about Israel or Iran. Israel jumps to a conclusion that it's an Iranian plot (good assumption but it is not a fact) and Iran does the same. Show me the facts and nothing but the facts!

Israel will attack Iran very soon.

Iran is taunting Israel to start a War. Their nuclear weapons are just waiting to send a missile or bomb over there. Israel wants to wipe out their Nuclear facilities.

Israel cannot play a cat and mouse game with Ahdinemajad. It has to end, hopefully in the favor for the Israel and the US;, Israel doing the job for us.

Hezbollah, the Extreme Islamist Terrorists from Iran, and Lebanon is on Israel's list to wipe them out--good luck, and safety for all those who endear the only Democracy in the Middle East.

justredd64

Israel's intelliegence agency is much better than the cia. they probably knew who did it. They are not contrained by being politically correct.

Of course they know who did it......my 2 year old daughter with the crumbs on her mouth knows who ate the last cookie too!

This story about Israel being behind the attack is about as believable as the ayatollah is really a Catholic nun in drag.This is an attack on Bulgaria as well.And Bulgaria is a member of the EU.These charges by Iran are just one more nail in the coffin of Iran.I hope when the time to attack Iran comes,the EU remembers this attack on one of its members.And in other EU countries.Recently Cyprus fortunately detained a Lebanese Mulsim before he could carry out a similiar attack.Cyprus is also a member of the EU.The victims of terrorists attacks by Iran are too many to mention.So are the vicitims of their BIG LIES.Even though Interpol has an immediate arrest and detain order against the Iranian minister of defense for the planning of two bombings in Buenas Aires,Iran is still trying to blame Argentina for staging it.Bulgaria is not as soft as Argentina.Close the Iranian embassy there would be the right response if Iranian invilvement is proved.Meanwhile this will just make Israel more justified in attacking Iran..!!

@Telix

"Robert In Oregon; so Israelis have got a vast spy net inside Iran, so they could accuse Iran right after explosion. the question is why did not Israel want to prevent it? they said right after bombing that Iran was behind it, they could easily prevent it. don't you think that something fishy is going on?"

Hi, Telix. Let me begin my response to your question by noting that my post was pure speculation. What I said was:

"....I think it's very possible indeed that Israel knew from its Iranian operatives that a suicide bomber or bombers had been dispatched to attack Israeli citizens; possibly even knew to where they were sent."

It is worth remembering what we learned from the report from the 9/11 Commission and the 9/11 hearings testimony given before Congressional committees about the events of Sept. 11, 2001. The Report and testimony made it very clear that the various security and intelligence agencies of the United States knew that Al Queda was determined to attack within the United States, and intelligence chatter suggested an attack inside the US was near; even some elements of the nature of the impending attack had been pieced together.

But, the intelligence wasn't shared fully among the numerous (15?) separate intelligence entities collecting that information within the US and around the world, and so the puzzle pieces were never all laid on one table to create a complete picture of the planned operations, and as a result 19 of the 20 terrorists successfully hijacked 4 fully fueled jetliners and successfully proceeded with their assignments.

And those events occurred within the borders of the US; effectively right under our noses.

Knowing in advance (from gathered intelligence and electronic chatter) that a suicide attack against Israeli citizens had been authorized by Iran and dispatched would still be pretty darned difficult to stop in a foreign country (in this case Bulgaria); especially if the suicide bomber had been given the autonomy of finding his own target once he had arrived in that foreign country (rather than the target being determined in advance).

Also, there is the issue of 'diminishing returns' for covert intelligence in a foreign country; i.e., Where is the cost-to-benefit threshold for an intelligence agency to potentially reveal its sources, blow it's operatives' cover, by stopping a terrorism operation which was a closely held secret by the enemy.

If only a handful of individuals in Iran knew of this operation, and Israel successfully stopped it, that handful of Iranians who knew would immediately be known to include the Israeli information source and or covert operative(s). Sometimes intelligence organizations have to suffer losses for the greater benefit of not blowing their moles, operatives and information sources.

Or maybe I have just read too many John le Carre' novels? ;-)

Robert , nice post, which rationally theorizing the probable dynamics of the attack, without assuming information currently unknown to the general public.

It is amazing how many people make broad, self-assured [as in "Well, everybody knows...] proclamations about an event like this one, who might have difficulty spelling intelligence, let alone understanding how the intelligence community operates.

Wow, a lot of people here want to stoke the ovens back up for another round of Jew burning.

I have known German soldiers from WW II, Jews who were in prison camps during WW II, Pols who were in prison camps during WW I, and American soldiers who were there freeing the camps.

Most of them told me about the some of the horrors they witnessed with tears in their eyes. A bunch of you people here are plain sick.

Who ever smelt it dealt it? Is that what you're going for?

Two Words...Operation Northwoods.

Israel blamed Iran, right after Israel pushed the detonator! This is not the first time Israel has done this. Remember the USS Liberty? They bombed a United States ship...blaming Egypt...so that The US would go fight their enemy. They did it in the Lavon affair. They did it again with this tourist bus!

Its very simple, blow up you own bus....get sympathy from the world....and go attack the country youthey've been wanting to attack for a long time!

mqira

Israel blamed Iran, right after Israel pushed the detonator!

The nerve ... the gall .... the audacity. What could have possibly possessed those perfidious Jews to claim that Iran and Hezbollah could even consider a terrorist act.

mqira:

Please, you do not have any facts. Do research on this topic. It is obvious you are not educated to make statements re: Iran and Israel at all.

Israel has the finest Top High Intelligence people, or agencies that know exactly how this happened. They are not fools.

Their Intelligence Agencies, or people are so brilliant, that others envy the info they can get. President Obama, relies on Israel to get our Intelligence for the Middle East.. Obama should be a little more kind to Israel; not verbally attack them.

It is known that the Mossad infiltrated the 9/11 hi jackers. They are that good. They were living near the hi jackers, wherever they went. Of course what they did after that was not so good.

They knew the hi jackers could not have succeeded without help, so they, along with Zionists in our government rigged the WTcs and Bldg 7 with nano thermite to bring down the towers. The WTCs, including Bldg 7 were insured heavily against a terror attack they knew was coming. They arraged for NORAD to be unavailable for help on the appoited day, by scheduling exercises during the attacks. The commander of NORAD was Jewish.

Israel, in all probability bombed the bus in order to frame Iran. It was another in a long list of Israeli false flag attacks. 9/11 was an inside job. Bldg 7 and the WTCs fell to the ground in controlled demolitions and Bldg 7 wasn't hit by any plane.

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mqira

Israel blamed Iran, right after Israel pushed the detonator!

The nerve ... the gall .... the audacity. What could have possibly possessed those perfidious Jews to claim that Iran and Hezbollah could even consider a terrorist act.

Support for war? Support for an attack? Support for global support for more terrorism? (There may be more, but i am pressed for time...at work! )

Marchant

mqira:

Please, you do not have any facts. Do research on this topic. It is obvious you are not educated to make statements re: Iran and Israel at all.

Israel has the finest Top High Intelligence people, or agencies that know exactly how this happened. They are not fools.

Their Intelligence Agencies, or people are so brilliant, that others envy the info they can get. President Obama, relies on Israel to get our Intelligence for the Middle East.. Obama should be a little more kind to Israel; not verbally attack them.

No i do not have all the facts. However i can definitely make a statement "re: Iran and Israel"

First of all, ISRAEL has done it before! Therefore, it cannot be put aside that they wouldnt do it again!

Secondly (according to you):

"Israel has the finest Top High Intelligence people, or agencies that know exactly how this happened. They are not fools. ...Their Intelligence Agencies, or people are so brilliant, that others envy the info they can get."

Yet they were so brilliant that they couldnt stop it,( or didnt want to stop it!). Or so brilliant that they couldnt infiltrate it (or maybe they did it)

You need to wake up! Get your head out of the sand! While no one is perfect...dont for one second think that Israel is not a terrorist nation! Someone has to have the balls to say it, and I will....Israel IS a terrorist nation! And so are we....the United States of America!

I love this country....however these govt are seeking complete domination...and in the process are ruining this world! Our children have to live in it...its disgusting!

RalphH; A padded room and psychotropic medications are waiting...

mqira:

If you are so dissatisfied with the United States, Iran will welcome you will open arms----in jail, speedy trial, and then a quick disappearance.

There is no way you would have the right to speak out in Freedom in Iran, or the other Middle Eastern Countries.

Stop downgrading the United States. For G-d's sake, you have a voice here, and can live comfortably doing and saying whatever you want, even though your remarks are outrageously wrong. Have you traveled the World or been in any of these countries. Served in the US Military--

This would be beneficial for a narrow look at real facts.

Obviously, naive.

I have no issue being ally with Israel but they are not clean in these matters either. Israel has done their fair share of evil things and its that very thing that pisses me off. One because it gets ignored, two because it always seems to be the US who has to deal with the fallout from their BS. They get away with a lot of crap they shouldn't. It is clear they will put themselves first and do what they feel is in their best interest. Like I said I glad to be allies with Israel but I'm tired of their BS as well and the influence they have on our government. It is time we shorten Israel's leash otherwise let them off and stand on their own two feet for awhile (which they are very capable of doing), with no coming back and crying to us to clean up their mess.

It is time: All governments, including but not limited to the US and Israel, do evil things. And the day you come to that realization is the day you will no longer be naive and "pissed off." It is the reality of politics, war, and survival.

Basil - I'm not naive at all. I know other governments do that crap too. Doesn't mean its right or that I have to agree and like it. Also doesn't mean we couldn't do things a little different. I have no real issues with Israel per say, I'm fine with US being their ally. I just wish we would stop catching all the $hit for what they do and also be responsible and call them out from time to time. They aren't just a victim in the whole middle east situation. They've done their fair share of victimizing but that always seems to be overlooked. Now I say this all but believe me our government certainly has some skeletons that need cleaned out as well. Like I said I think we could handle our relationship with them a little better.

The Senate Votes to Extend $9 Billion in Loan
Guarantees for the Benefit of Israel

Martin Hill reports:

Have you heard about the the "United States-Israel Enhanced Security
Cooperation Act of 2012"? It was introduced by Senator Barbara Boxer on
3/6/12 with 71 Cosponsors.

The House passed their version [H.R.4133] on May 9, pledging unlimited loyalty
and riches to our "special friend" Israel, with only two congressman
dissenting- Ron Paul and Democrat John Dingell of Michigan.

The U.S. Senate passed their version on Friday June 29, 2012. Known in the
Senate as S.2165, the measure guaranteed an astonishing $9 billion dollars in
loans to Israel (plus all fees and interest!) in addition to giving
"military assistance- stockpiles of defense articles" valued at $200
million for 2013 and $200 million for 2014.

Boxer praised passage of the bill, stating "I am so pleased that the
Senate moved quickly to pass this important bill, which reaffirms the important
bond between the United States and Israel and helps ensure that Israel has the
necessary tools to defend itself in this time of dynamic change in the Middle
East."

Initially seeking documentation of which way turncoat Rand Paul voted on this
treasonous bill, I tried to find the roll call votes. But as Harry Reid pointed
out during the session, "THE NEXT ROLL CALL VOTE WILL BE AT NOON ON
TUESDAY, JULY 10". The Senators passed this bill anonymously, in a
so-called "voice vote"!...

After tracking down the actual video of this travesty, which was no easy task-
(they seem to make these things hard to find on purpose)- it was like watching
something straight out of the twilight zone. Two old guys in suits mumbling
under their breath in a strange monotone fashion, with the entire U.S. Senate
taking literally less than six seconds total to squander 9 BILLION DOLLARS from
the American people. A true outrage. They did not even call out each Senators
name so that their constituents can hear whether they voted yea or nay.

The bill will soon be sent to Obama for his signature. By going to http://thomas.loc.gov and typing the term United
States-Israel Enhanced Security Cooperation Act of 2012 in the search box,
one can read full details on both the house and senate versions of this bill.

The Senate version summary states that

"it is U.S. policy to: (1)
reaffirm the commitment to Israel's security as a Jewish state, (2) provide
Israel with the military capabilities to defend itself and help preserve its
qualitative military edge, (3) expand military and civilian cooperation, (4)
assist in a negotiated settlement of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict that
results in two states living side by side in peace and security, and (5)
encourage Israel's neighbors to recognize Israel's right to exist as a Jewish
state.

Expresses the sense of Congress that the United States should take specified
actions to assist in Israel's defense.

Amends the Department of Defense Appropriations Act, 2005 to extend authority
to transfer certain obsolete or surplus Department of Defense (DOD) items to
Israel.

Amends the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961 to extend authority to make additions
to foreign-based defense stockpiles.

Amends the Emergency Wartime Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2003 to extend
specified loan guarantee authority to Israel.

The law required that a Senate report
be done on the bill. The law required that a
Senate report be done on the bill. On June 27, two days before the voice vote,
Skull and bones member John Kerry presented the obligatory "written report No. 112-179"...

The report states "That the interest rate for loans guaranteed under
this heading may include a reasonable fee to cover the costs and fees incurred
by the borrower in connection with this program", but then goes on to
state "That funds made available for assistance to Israel under chapter
4 of part II of the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961, as amended, may be utilized
by the Government of Israel to pay such fees to the United States
Government"!

So we can charge them interest and fees on the $9 billion dollars, but then let
them use our money to pay the fees!

Notice how these bills to provide money to Israel are always written by Jewish Congressmen and women, working hard for Israel. Our politicians are corrupt and should be voted out of office for this travesty alone. I am definately going to work for my congressman's opponent and spread the word about this treachery.

RalphH

why does newsvine let you commit these acts of plagiarism?

Block quote and link.Have you ever read the CoH?

what percentage of your posts are the "stolen intellectual property" of others

What is the matter KPR, you don't like the truth coming out? Cry me a river.

Our Congress is bought and paid for by AIPAC, which is a representative of a foreign government. It is illegal to be a lobbyist representing a foreign government. AIPAC and a few other Jewish groups, such as the ADL, should be outlawed.

It is important that Americans realize that Israel is stealing our money, through illegal bribes and that most Jewish politicians represent Israel, not the US.

What is the matter KPR, you don't like the truth coming out? Cry me a river.

No, I'm a big fan of the truth

Our Congress is bought and paid for by AIPAC, which is a representative of a foreign government.

No, the first letter signafies it's an American people who Lobby of behalf of Israel.

It is illegal to be a lobbyist representing a foreign government

No, it's not many governments lobby the United States for many reasons, The main reason is "most favored trade status"

The best figures I've seen suggest that AIPAC and affiliated groups spent less then two million dollars. There are 535 members of Congress. Politicians
dont come that cheep

Total Lobbying Expenditures: $1,238,816
Subtotal for Parent American Israel Public Affairs Cmte: $1,238,816

American Israel Public Affairs Cmte Lobbying by Industry

IndustryTotal

Pro-Israel

$1,238,816

http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000046963&year=2012

AIPAC also directs other monies from separate groups to politicians. The money they receive from Jewish groups does not all come from AIPAC. There is no way in hell all these politicians are willing to sell out their country, without a bunch of money or extortion of some kind.

Make no mistake, they are selling out their country.

Stop all aid to Israel. Other nations laugh at the US for supporting the rogue regime in Israel. They know Israel is a terrorist nation, intent on ME domination and expansion.

AIPAC also directs other monies from separate groups to politicians.

care to source that?

As usual, follow the money. Who has the most to gain by promoting fear of attacks?

I wouldn't put this past Israel, the Pentagon or Iran but Iran definitely has the most to lose.

As John Stewart once said. The US isn't very good at building but is very good at un-building.

Look up

Operation

Northwoods

Eff U Israel lovers, why dont you go to Israel and get out of our country. Israel deserves to be wiped off the map of the earth, they stole Palestinian land, they came from European Ghettos and have no right on that land. You are all criminals living on stolen property. Go to hell all you Israelis and Israel lovers. I will celebrate the day Israel is wiped out, will be having finger sandwiches and nice tall lemonade in the shade watching Israeli looters running helter skelter from falling black rain.

I will love it when Iran blows Israel off the planet..... These thieves called Israelis came from Euro ghettos to snatch Arab lands. The US was attacked on 911 for helping the Jews in this crime.

Don't worry, Israels end is near. Iran already has Nukes.....they are just waiting to announce it until they have enough.

Rick, don't pop the cork just yet. Your too funny to drink this early in the morning. Your just tired of getting your butt kicked by Israel. Now go hid behind your women and children. You know that the Palestinians are only an Arab pawn. King Hussein of Jordon, welcomes them with open arms. Worry aboyt Syria, Libya, Lebanon.....

And I'll say it again...the Zionists BOUGHT the land, going back to the late 19th Century, then acquired additional holdings when they were used as a base to attack them three times.

Look up Operation Northwoods before making any accusations.

"I hop Israel blows them off of the map"

Well then tough guy why don't you 'hop' on a flight to Israel and join the invasion.

I think 'hop' is the key misspelled word here.

Then how about all supporters of Iran hop on a flight to Iran, for complete balance?

Friendly fire from our own troops killed Pat Tillman, former NFL star, and then our own army tried to cover it up. Will that what goes around comes around be effecting our own military, too? Just askin'!

@Jimee Johnson

I guess you never heard Pat Tillman was MURDERED for trying to expose the truth about the Afghan war, etc. being a scam? Just askin!

Then again when you ONLY rely on the CONTROLLED MSM (kosher controlled)you DO NOT hear the REAL truth do ya?

@Jimee Johnson

It would not surprise me to find out you still think Iraq had WMD's!

You remember them right? All that DELIBERATELY FALSE intel from israel! How many Americans died as a result of them LIES? Not to mention the money spent, or the Iraqi lives lost/still losing!

Got to have that "Greater israel" though!

Justice will be served!

Got tinfoil?

Mymomdidnotraiseafool

I guess she did!

Can't you SHILLS come up with anything better than "take my meds", "see a shrink", or "got tinfoil"?

Here I got something better then , you aren't a US Army vet.

US Army Vet is a loser... Joe Smith 1976

US Army vet hides behind his Mommy's Skirt ...TPACK 2012

US Army Vet thinks anyone cares what he thinks... Tom Jones 2011

US Army Vet never served his country, other then video games in his basement. Only his loser "buddies" even think anyone cares what he says, maybe only for a good laugh like me......... TPACK 2012 again

US Army Vet is a disgrace to all those great American's who really did serve, and not some weirdo who posts from his basement... TPACK 2012

and the list goes on. Oh, and your misdirection is weak !!

TPack...STFU.

DSP - CAPT/USNR

Well, Vet, the Israelis partisans' mentors in the War of Independence were the IRA...who would go anywhere at any time to fight the Brits If you want to call THEM terrorists...just don't do it in an Irish pub on St. Patrick's Day.

TPak

Nice!

You just showed everyone here what israeli firsters/SHILLS are REALLY about!

Makes my job that much easier! Thank you!

Cassandra

You bring up the IRA, but you do not bring up the Bolsheviks/Communist's, ie; NKVD, etc. who MURDERED 50 to 60 million innocent men, women, and children in Russia/Ukraine, or the "partisans" of WW2 that many of which were also "jewish"!

Yeah that's right folks Bolshevism/Communism WAS a "jewish" creation!

Why no "holocaust" talk about the Russian's/Ukraine"s, there were many more of them ACTUALLY MURDERED? Maybe because it can't be used as an EXCUSE to establish an illegal "state", or because it was done by "god's chosen people"? Hmmmmmm!

And unless my memory serves me wrong the IRA was considered a terrorist org. And just to let you know until about 4 years ago, I used to live in what is called "Dogtown" in the St. Louis, Mo.! Look that, and the St Patricks Day Parade in that area, etc. up!

Now we just have the Jewish Defense League, and MEK that are listed on the FBI's Terrorists List, but still allowed to operate, and even train in the US! The hypocracy! Our "terrorist" OK, your's bad!

US Army Vet-4558908

Makes my job that much easier!

What does Iran? pay you,to post disinformation about Israel (LOL)

kpr37

No my "job" of honoring my Never-Ending Military Oath to the US Democratic Republic (not gov.), and the US Constituiton/Bill of Rights!

No my "job" of honoring my Never-Ending Military Oath

I have family serving, and there is no oath in the American military taken to spread lies such as this claptrap,you have posted.

It's an insult to all who have served. So you disrespect the American military, and spread lies about evil "Jewish" things like Bolshevism and communism That is not connected with anything "Jewish" the word "Jewish" refers to a religion.

Yeah that's right folks Bolshevism/Communism WAS a "jewish"

No, that is a out right lie. "Jewish" refers to a religion. are you familiar with word usage in English ? or is it an automatic-translate problem?

You are not very good at this, whoever gave you your "job" should stop paying you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bolshevism

Today, Russia is considered to be the center of National Bolshevism, and almost all of the National Bolshevik parties and organizations in the world are connected to it. Amongst the leading practitioners and theorists of National Bolshevism are Aleksandr Dugin and Eduard Limonov, who leads the unregistered and banned National Bolshevik Party(NBP) in Russia.^[2] Influenced heavily by the idea of geopolitics, current Russian National Bolshevik movements propose a merger between Russia, Europe and parts of Asia, in a union to be known as Eurasia.

Russia, is not a "Jewish" nation. There is no mention of "Jews" being involved and all.

As a literate American who is educated, I was forced to the read the nonessential Claptrap of Marx, who was an atheist, not a Jew.

And Marx did not invent the "communist, socialist idea, or meme, in comes from
the French revolution. The French, are not a Jewish nation.

http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/61/pg61.txt

The Project Gutenberg EBook of The Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx
and Friedrich Engels

The Socialist and Communist literature of France,

It was in the words of Marx, in his book where he says it's a french idea.The french are not Jewish

a literature that originated under the pressure of a bourgeoisie in power,and that was the expression of the struggle against this power, was introduced into Germany at a time when the bourgeoisie, in that country, had just begun its contest with feudal absolutism.

German philosophers, would-be philosophers, and beauxe sprits,eagerly seized on this literature, only forgetting, that whenthese writings immigrated from France into Germany, French social conditions had not immigrated along with
them.

You are blaming "Jews"for thing that they are in no way connected with, and
have said it's your job to do so. Who would give you such a job. As a pointed
out, there is no oath in the American military to go out a defame people of the
Jewish faith.

Your comment is in no way related with reality, it's anti Jewish propaganda.

Many people have blamed the "Jews" for every crime unimaginable. National
socialists in the 1930, Iranians now, thats why I joked about who was paying you.

Youm know, yiu said it's your "job" of spreading disinformation about Israel, Who would do such a thing with out being paid?

I can think of a few less than reputable groups that may, thats why I asked.

kpr37/"sayanim"

You forgot to mention Hess, Trotsky, Lenin, etc. that were all "jewish"!

Your tribe DEMANDS that being a "jew" is a race/people, NOT just a religion!

Your tribe DEMANDS to be called "jews" even if you are atheists if it suits your tribes cause, but when it proves your tribes crimes, etc. like the Bolshevik/Communist Revolution/Murders you claim other! How convienent!

And your tribe wonders why some do not like you!

Your tribe is always right there to point out other's crimes but WILL NOT take credit for it's own!

Remember The USS Liberty, 9/11, Okl City, Beirut Marine Barracks, and Khobar Tower Bombings, Johathan Pollard/AIPAC/ADL Treasons, etc., etc.!

JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED!

OilmanMD, by your tone, I think, you thought I was refering to US Army Vets in general. Actually, my comment was directed at US Army Vet 4558908, who is not an US Army Vet, in my humble opinion. You see my family , is an Army family, with members who have proudly served. Now that being said, if you couldn't gather the direction of my post, that maybe a reflection on your reserve status, and probably not as sharp as you once were. Oh, and GFYS. Thanks for your service!!!

directed at US Army Vet 4558908, who is not an US Army Vet, in my humble opinion

I am in agreement with your humble opinion, I have family in service to this nation as well.

Your tribe DEMANDS

My "tribe" is Celtic, and can still be found in the North West corner of Ireland in Tuatha i nGaoth Dobhair (that's Gaelic)

Vet, it's true that Trotsky was Jewish but Lenin was not. In fact, he threw the identifying Jewish Group out of the Bolshevik Party. And those 60 million peasants were killed by Stalin, who was a notorious anti-semite. And as for Hitler's friend Hess...oh, PLEASE!

Cassandra

Again you are wrong on several points! My guess is your "school" never taught you how to do proper research!

Look up the name Hess, the "jewish" person who came before Marx, not the one associated with Hitler!

TPak and kpr37

You say you have family that are serving in the military (US?), yet you ARE NOT (WHY?), and I'm sure never have, and you think you have the right to question whether or not I served in the US Army just because you do not agree with what I am saying?

And you do not think this is disrespecting to those who have lost thier lives, and myself, and millions more who were/are willing to give their lives to preserve freedom of speech?

I see some much needed growing up!

I guess like SHILLS usually do, you will come back after I am gone, AGAIN, and get your last word in, even if it's nothing but BS! Have fun, NOT!

Yo US Army Vet-4558908( so OilmanMD doesn't get confused). Check out my new list for you,

Wall Street - huge broad based rally today

Obama approves sending 70 mil to Israel for military. Roomney wants more

USA going for the Gold!! Go USA # 1

It's Friday, Have a great weekend!!

One word: "Kamikaze".

Don't ferget that dick, Cheney!

Jamee Johnson, that's a shot of Vodka, with lime juice.. Enjoy, it's the weekend!!

Ed - Well said.......America has been fought for through bravery and sacrifice, and now we see so many other things happening, Thank you for reminding us of the America, as it was to be..............

We seem to get in trouble whenever we interject ourselves into some failed European colonial policy.......Vietnam, Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel.

We need to learn to "heel/toe it for the door" when the Europeans need help with one of their former colonies.

It always ends in a disaster for us, as the Europeans extract themselves from the problem.

One would think that eventually we'd wise up.

Riley

What you are spouting is pure propaganda, deliberatley false translations of farsi from MEMRI, a "jewish" think tank! DUH!

Ever wonder about the thousands of "jews" living in Iran? They seem to be doing just fine, and refuse to go to israel! I wonder WHY!

So you have personally been to Iran and met these happy "jews"? And they told you that they loved it so much in Iran that they would never go to Israel? I think you need to loosen your tinfoil hat just a tad.

Funny, because many thousands more did leave Iran to go to Israel and the United States - in particular Los Angeles. I have a friend from there who told me that every morning the were required to state a pledge of allegiance stating "Death to America and Death to Israel." His family was often persecuted and when they went to the police about anything were only told "tisk tisk." They had to sell all their possessions and bribe authorities in order to be able to leave the country. The reality is that most have left, but a small percentage have remained as it has been their home for millenia (oh, and Iran hasn't yet tried to exterminate them in mass, so I guess maybe it is better relative to some other places).

Your people are funny with your BS!

Good thing MILLIONS here are now seeing right through it!

JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED!

Many Israelis came to the US....was it to flee the terrorist regime running Israel?

US Army, you like to defame people without even knowing them. My buddy from Iran is one of the nicest human beings on this planet. His experiences are likely real for he had little reason to lie about them. He had nothing to gain. He earned my friendship without it. You may claim that he and even I are delusional, but that doesn't make us bad people. You are the kind of person I fear in this world. I do not think it would take much for you to lynch Jews regardless of whether that person ever did anything wrong. You are preaching guilt by "tribe" which means you hold all Jews guilty of any crime. You clearly have a lot of hostility. Your views are both unamerican as well as against Judeochristian philosophy.

DocAeth

Do the Federal Reserve System, Wallstreet, Hollywood, MSM, Porn Industry, Sex Slave Industry, Illegal Arms Trade Industry, Blood Diamond Trade, etc., etc. mean anything to you? Who own/runs ALL of them? It aint dem der mooslims, or Iran!

Let's not forget about 9/11, The USS Liberty, The Lavon Affair, Beirut Marine Barracks, Okl. City, and Khobar Tower Bombings, Johathan Pollard/AIPAC/ADL Treasons, Iraq False WMD Intel, etc., etc.? Who did ALL of these? Again, it aint dem der mooslims, or Iran!

And let's also not forget who is pushing for multi-culturalism, gay marraige, can't say Christmas, abortions, open borders, clash of civilizations, race wars, airport body scanners, etc., etc.! YET AGAIN, it aint dem der mooslims, or Iran!

Who has well over 200 ILLEGAL Nuclear Weapons (mainly STOLEN US Tech.) and REFUSES to sign the NANPA, or allow IAEA inspections, but has openly stated that the "Sampson Option" is on the table, and has the means to carry that out?

Who states Jesus is in hell boiling in excrement, and Mary was a whore? Yet AGAIN it aint dem der mooslims, or Iran!

Who says that us "goyim"(cattle) are to be their slaves? YET AGAIN, it aint dem der mooslims, or Iran!

Oh can't forget about the ON-GOING GENECIDE in Palestine, or the constant push for another FALSE WAR with Iran!

Need I go on?

No no, there is no need for you to go on. Your current level of insane ranting is sufficient. Thank you.

Isn't it great how you get to point the finger at "Muslims." Considering that half the world is Muslim, you get to blame half the world.

And then, the US/Israel can invade any country they want - scream "remember 9/11" - and people like you are beating the drums and screaming about crazy Muslims - exactly like you're supposed to do.

Do you ever step back and think about things like that? Like how convenient it is for the US and Israel? I mean - assuming the CIA and Mossad are not involved in false flag operations (even though they have done it many times before), those terrorists sure do convenient things that benefit the banks/corporations/military-industrial complex, don't they?

So do you use the regular or the non-stick tinfoil for your hats?

Oh, you're so witty.

Why don't you go to the Nickolodeon message board? You'll fit in better there. You can post stuff like "You eat your boogers."

Bob

Your dealing with "israeli firsters"/SHILLS! Look at the "person's" name! That should tell you something!

No matter what you tell them, your wrong, even when you can prove it!

JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED THOUGH!

I gotta go, US Army Vet. Great to hear from you. And quite encouraging as well.

By the way, there's a provocateur on here pretending he agrees with us - but posting militant extremist rubbish.

Stay strong. And thanks for serving our country.

Bob

Remember by telling the TRUTH you are also seving our country!

Take care!

Bob, as vehemently as I disagree with you...I have often said that there may well be provocateurs here, who are so viciously attacking Jews or Arabs that the rest of us are forced to defend them. As an example, I am constantly writing about my own fine Muslim doctors, after I read that all Muslims are evil.

Well, JP, maybe the Congresspersons support Israel because most Americans do. This has been shown in surveys including one right here at MSNBC, which can hardly be called pro-Zionist...as we see from the play they have given to Iran's wild accusation.

Cassandra

Again you leave out FACTS! Who owns/runs MSNBC? DUH!

Not to mention in my neck of the woods "The People" DO NOT support israel! They support The US Democratic Republic, and what's right for it, not what's right for israel over the US, like you and the US "government"!

If israel wants to play BIG BAD BOY, and continually start FALSE WARS then let them go at it for themselves, not with American blood, treasure, or even weapons! israel is of NO benefit to the USA!

You "israeli firsters" can't seem to grasp that ordinary Americans are SICK AND TIRED of israel, and it's wars/lies/FALSE FLAGS, etc.! Not to mention giving it BILLIONS of US Taxpayer money every year when we can't even take care of our own!

WAKE UP!

JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED!

Whoever runs MSNBC, it is certainly not Zionists...or they would not have given so much play to Iran's wild accusations.

Well said Bob!

The thing "The People" also need to remember/learn is WHO actually owns/runs nearly all of the media in this country! Take a look at the Board of Directors/CEO's, etc. of the NY Times, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, Fox, Warner Bros, Universal Studios, Dreamworks Studios, etc., etc.!

Still think your hearing the REAL TRUTH?

Let's not forget who owns/runs Goldman Sachs, Leyman Bros, JP Morgan Chase, Federal Reserve System, etc., etc that are STEALING BILLIONS from the American people! Then we have the IMF too!

What do ALL these people have in common? Same "people's/religion" that are behind the Bolsheviks/Communism!

WAKE UP PEOPLE!

Exactly, US Army Vet - Assuming you are a vet, my hat's off to you. I really like hearing from veterans who understand the truth. With the deception under which we live - and the lies fed to us on a daily basis, I feel like the military and veterans in this country with their eyes wide open are truly our only hope.

But you have to be careful, right? You're going to get flamed by people screaming buzzwords like anti-semite, Hitler, and holocaust.

Bob

Thank you!

I am a real US ARMY Vet!

Your words, "But you have to be careful, right? You're going to get flamed by people screaming buzzwords like anti-semite, Hitler, and holocaust."

I DO NOT worry about their BS name calling, useless/overused terms, etc.! I could show you REAL TRUTH about all of these things! This includes REAL scientific facts, their own writings, etc.!

We have all been duped/brainwashed! The good thing is MILLIONS are waking up!

The problem is still that people THINK they have to be careful about speaking out! That is what they hold over us! Can't critisize them, hate speech, etc., it's all BS!

Speaking the TRUTH with proof to back it up will set us free!

How can they argue with TRUE FACTS?

They can't, they can ONLY threaten us with useless/overused terms! Although in some cases where they can't scare someone with their overused, baseless terms they will commit murder, etc., just look at the JDL, etc!

This also DOES NOT not scare me!

WE CAN'T BE SCARED TO TAKE BACK OUR NATION!

Since you think the Mossad is so ruthless and powerful, I am surprised that you are willing to risk pissing them off.

Cassandra

mossad is ruthless, SCUM! That's FACT!

See the thing is I don't scare easily! IF it is my time to go, it is my time to go, why worry about it!

If you haven't realized by now, in all the israeli SHILLING you have done against me in the past, my main concern is for The US Democratic Republic, and I WILL NOT let some terrorist organiztion like mossad, JDL, or kosher lies keep me from trying to protect it!

If you don't like that then you are more than welcome to go live in israel! But if your a Christian don't expect any better treatment from them than they give to the Palestinains!

Cassandra loves to make veiled threats and of course outright lies. She is a Zionist propaganda machine.

RalphH, that is hardly a veiled threat...on the contrary, it is a way of showing that the Mossad-ophobes do not really feel threatened at all. But when you call me a Zionist propaganda machine...well, flattery will get you nowhere.

Ralph, Bob and Vet,

No need to fear Mossad, you are not worth their time.

Psychiatrists, on the other hand, just might come for you one day.

Cassandra

Remember what you just said that when the US is TAKEN BACK! Treason is Treason!

Eli100

All you israeli firsters/SHILLS are the same, when you know you can't fight the facts, or don't like someone else to voice their freedom of speech you bring up seeing a shrink, take your meds, etc. IT'S OLD!

Tell your handlers to come up with something new for you all to say!

What facts? Your posts don't contain a single fact only a bunch of far out accusations pulled out of where the sun wont shine. You are the one who needs to come up with something new, your idiotic conspiracy theories are not only old, they are dead and decayed.

True, bluefish. That's the thing about propaganda - it doesn't have to be believable. It's only got to be good enough for people to justify putting their heads in the sand - exactly like you said.

Too bad your posts are neither.

Welcome, John Birch.

I started opening my eyes when I read The Shadows of Power in 1991 published by the John Birch society. I think the best chapter was "The Media Blackout." I never viewed the news/media the same after reading that book.

They haven't invaded a single country in over a century.

How many countries have we (the US) invaded in the last century? How many times did we do it at Israel's bidding? How often do you hear about the military option from Israel when it involves any of their neighbors in the Middle East?

But Iran's the one that's not peaceful.

Bob, OK, I'll take your weak bait. They talk a good game, and hide behind Hamas, ands hezballah. You see they are basically wimps, who choose to fight hiding behind Women, and children. Nesraalla is 1 of their go to guys, who hides in the sewer. Listen, hang with your fake US Army vet buddy, and contiue to worry for Iran. At least you have a friend.

Rick....I don't think you're legit. I think you're here to make people like me and others on this board look bad. I always get suspicious with handles that have a name and bunch of weird numbers after it. You guys seem to show up when there are several people that agree but disagree with the official mainstream media narrative.

There are many of us opposed to Israeli policies - but we're not cheering Iran to make the bomb.

Just to start with, the Koch Brothers are not Jewish: They are of Dutch descent and live in Kansas. And those corporations you mentioned are just that: corporations. In fact, fairly few bankers are Jewish. If you saw "Too Big To Fail," you will remember the scenes where the leading bankers are sitting around the table. As I remember, there were 12 of them, and two were Jewish...which is about the proportion of Jews in professions requiring advance education. And the non-Jews threw one of the Jewish bankers, Dick Fuld, to the wolves.

"Good...! Israel deserves many more such attacks." Geez, anti-Semitic much, Rick?

Cassandra, what are you doing. They can't handle the truth. It was better when they thought ALL bankers were Jewsssssssss, and the Koch brothers were,and Wall Street, and Now you went and spoiled it. Remember Jewsss control the Media, Hollywood, Bollywood, Dollywood, and the water parks. I like when they say that "they" destroyed the economy With their brothers in China . Wait Jews do like Chinese food

Thank you for the laugh, TPack: I could use it.