If it so secret, why am I reading about it ?

I didn't vote for obama or mccain! Why is it that the ones that did, will not take responsibility for what they elected?

"covert aide"? really? I just love these so-called journalists.

Roger,

You aren't reading about it.

'I'm using brain control on you.' :)

they were calling out why he didn't support them last week.

Who is this "them" you speak of? When you can answer this question honestly and factually and are OK with the answer, then your hypocrisy comment would be more welcome.

Somehow, I have a feeling these "rebels" are essentially another group of Muslim Brotherhood and/or other Al Qaeda group seeking to gain command and control of yet another Middle East nation and a whole bunch of cool chemical and biological weapons, to boot.

You a proponent of Sharia law? You do realize that without the intervention of the Egyptian military, Sharia law will be the law of Egypt, don't you. Included in that 'law' is a requirement that females be 'circumcised' and the age for little girls marrying is going to drop to fourteen, or is it twelve? No matter, Obama is the one pushing for 'women's rights' so long as those women are over here. He obviously doesn't care about Middle Eastern women, they don't vote democrat.

We've been aiding the rebels unbeknownst to McCain or anyone else.

Why do you think they have been able to take over military bases and Aleppo and main highways?

Hard to do that with just rocks.

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Oh ho! I knew we would get our noses in it.

BIG SECRET. This could be false intelligence or even no intelligence at all. Who is in charge of this new mess. Oh yeah, I forgot.

A 'secret' way to support rebels, when we have no knowledge of who the hell they are? Most of them are nothing more than radical islamists and when the smoke clears the world will face another hate filled, cruel, and backward nation of islam. Obama has taken leave of what ever senses he had, which doesn't appear to be many. Stay the hell out of this muslim nation civil war, let these people solve thier own problems, do not ever, ever, ever drag the USA into another winless war with a people who only want our money, and hate all of us. When the hell will these politicans ever learn???

McCain was complaining because we DIDN'T help Syria...let's see what he says now...

obama = war monger

obama lost my vote

Anyone following the mess in Syria had to know the US had some involvement, especially when the Rebels began to become more organized, and after the Saudi's and Turkey publicly took the position they did. Secrets of this type are always revealed. Logic plus circumstance always provides probability, or not, of a thing. The President is right to do this, if, in fact, He has.

I don't think McCain wanted to "help" Syria, I think he wanted quality leadership from the USA. But what do you expect from Obama ... he's torn between supporting rebels (radical Islamists) and promoting the long standing relationship between the USA and Israel. Obama hates having to act like he supports Israel in any sort of way but he does so knowing he has to create the illusion he supports Israel if he's to stand ANY chance of being reelected.

STexan, step off of your GOP stump for a minute and pay attention. McCain called for ARMING the rebels...

The rebels are not Islamic jihadists, though those have certainly been draw to the fight. The majority of the FSA are made up of Syrian army defectors and civilians that have had enough of 40 years of tyranny.

Now you claim to have knowledge of Obama hating Israel? You haters are a joke and with statements like that, lack any credibility.

well...... not so secret and not much support. It's good to know that Obama supports the Syrian Rebels. Oh, but about that support, we're not going to give you guns or anything like that cause we don't want you to hurt anybody. Good grief....(sigh).

Ray in Jax #1.23: Well said! Thanks

Sounds like the U.S., Turkey and some unknown allies are waging war against Syria via proxy. I'm not a fan of Assad, but Syria isn't our business. Besides, name any U.S. involvement in the Middle East that resulted in anything positive for the U.S.

Isn't a secret something people don't know about?

Doesn't matter what negative remarks the Obama posters say about him, they were calling out why he didn't support them last week.

The transparency of their hypocrisy is so apparent.

Funny, a vast majority of all posters, from all political leanings, have been stating vehemently that we have no business in Syria for a long while now.

If you want hypocrisy, let's talk about the chemical weapons that Syria says it has and how chemical weapons are suddenly WMDs again.

John Haddock

Judging from your previous posts Obama never had your vote anyway. So why all the self righteous indignation?

The Koch/GOP has been calling for us to arm the rebels and now that we've done the least we can do the haters are out with their heads spinning.

Time for some new tyrants in the Mideast anyway. Call it term limits.

Obama authorizes secret US support for Syrian rebels.
How secret is it now?????????????? Obama Admin leaking more top secrets information to get reelected??????

Mr. Obama seems to have a thing about helping rebels overthrow their government, I can’t help but wonder how he would feel if the tables were turned, and another government helped rebels here over throw him.

Our economy in the toilet, people homeless and hungry and out government sends “aid”, other nations hate us enough now, and after Libya, this is not going to help any, maybe Mr. Obama wants to make the world America, one big country rather than a bunch of small ones.

Obama has destabilized all of North Africa and the Middle East. Maybe the Nobel committee should give this warmonger another Peace Prize.....ROTFLMAO!!!!!!

Really, America... are you going to fall for the "weapons of mass destruction" ploy again...? Really?

"Included in that 'law' is a requirement that females be 'circumcised' "

@mygirl1.......Have I been missing something my entire life or what? How is it even possible to circumcise a female? I have never heard of that in my life!

im plain English words, we are supporting the Islamic radicals to over throw a government.

Would that be the same Syrian rebels who just MASS MURDERED government supporters?? They may turn out to be just as bad as the regime of "Head" Bashar al-Assad !!

And here we go again ... why can't we learn from the past? The name Osama Bin Laden rings a bell?

OMG just impeach from Fast and Furious sell guns to cartel. Leaking top security statement“Concern about these leaks knows no party line. When national security secrets leak and become public knowledge, our people and our national interests are jeopardized. And when our enemies know our secrets, American lives are threatened,” Smith said in a letter to the president

More and More leak from this administration today this was spoke be a secert. I think Obama it looking for Martial Law from there will not be a election this year. Now how is this going to play out. Obama and Dems blash the Bush's for war now here we go again putting our nose into some else. And this will became war if we send troops or help out.

Don't tell Putin.

Is this part two of the Goatman series?

Once again, O'Bama's White House "LEAKS" Secret Information to the Press to make himself look good just in time for the "Vote". Since Assad ha said several times he would use Chemical Weapons if other countries came to Syria, MAYBE O'Bama should have kept his lying mouth shut. O'Bama could have tried something else to get those votes, like trying to be President of the United States instead of constantly running for re-election on the Tax Payers bill.

Another point -- Will O'Bama continue to support the Islamic Terrorist who will be in charge of Syria?? How will he get the U.S. Tax Payer supplied weapons away from the Rebels (Activist) once Assad is gone?? How will O'Bama control the Revolution that he has started in the United States? Will the New Syrian Islamic Leadership come to rescue him?

Midnightridr

"Included in that 'law' is a requirement that females be 'circumcised' "

@mygirl1.......Have I been missing something my entire life or what? How is it even possible to circumcise a female? I have never heard of that in my life!

They cut off the labia.

@mygirl1.......Have I been missing something my entire life or what? How is it even possible to circumcise a female? I have never heard of that in my life!

Look it up. It's too graphic to describe here but think about what part of the female anatomy is akin to what part of the male anatomy that is circumcised. It's done so that females cannot feel pleasure and thus are not tempted (at least that's the logic that is used). There are different forms so best you look it up yourself.

When Obama gets us into a war where thousands of Americans are killed, tens of thousands of Americans are wounded and hundreds of thousands of civilians are killed, then you can compare him to Bush and Real President Cheney. So far, nothing close to that from Obama. Both Bush and Real President Cheney should be wearing orange prison jumpsuits right now. No matter how badly Obama @!$%#s up in his first term, he will never come close to the horrendous damage done to this country and indeed the world, by the administration of Bush and Real President Cheney. Lying, scheming, war profiteering and the pure greed for money and power will be the historic hallmarks of Bush and Real President Cheney. I repeat, Obama couldn't screw up that badly if he tried.

McCain is all for arming any and everything. He is one man, the rest of the republicans are clamoring for war? Obama is worse than Bush, at least Bush went before congress. Obama just arms terrorists, the same terrorists that were killing American soldiers in Iraq are now in posession of Libyan weapons stockpiles and all this homeland security/NDAA/Patriot Act II crap coming from Obama is crap. You don't create a police state in your homeland and then arm the terrorists that you're supposed to be protecting the homeland from.

Some secret. People always knocking fox news. I'm not a repug or a demo i'm a free thinker but i get more news from there than any other station. Of course i don't watch that Ronald Reagan loving Hannity. His hero is the sorriest excuse for a president that ever walked through the white house doors.Even George looked like a winner compared to that sack of sh*t. They have ass kissers but hey the other stations have theirs to, like that cropped haired Bull Rachael Maddow and some of the others. Both sides have their kissers that are enough to make you sick.

John Haddock

obama = war monger

obama lost my vote

I suspect this will be the conclusion of most principled men and women of the left. Romney on the other hand, is no better. Conclusion....Establishment policy needs to die a horrid death. For the love of country, sovereignty, and excellence America has grown accustom... Dont vote! None of the above! Make this the worst showing in the history of established electoral process! @!$%# these can kicking cowards! @!$%# THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's only a matter of time now until a militarily enforced NO FLY ZONE is established over Syria, for "humanitarian purposes only" of course (wink wink).

Why can't we STAY THE F OUT OF IT!! for a change?!! Why does every f-ing civil war in the world have to become our war??!!

So now we're going to have yet another F-ing country in the mideast go from BAD to WORSE, with our meddling, force, manipulation, and money, making it happen.

F-ing Wonderful!!

A non-vote is a vote for this classless farce in the White House now.

Sure Cornfed. Don't exercise your right to vote. Go right ahead, guess who will get elected then. not you.... They don't care about the showing as long as they get elected. Some people actually believe they can eliminate the wealthy. We eliminate the wealth of those who have it now, there will be hundreds right behind them to take it over. There will always be wealthy, tell me a time in the history of this planet when there wasn't wealthy people. Name one point.

rofl, and what "revolution" is that, Joe?

Lets just face it we can't help ourselves and this White House has more leaks than a Chicago housing project. Obama kills people just like Bush.....he is just more selective. I love how libs are defending him simply because Bush led ground wars that killed more. Ok, I understand, your guy is better because he is more "secretive".

Humm, stopping just short of providing "lethal" weapons. The fact that providing lethal weapons to a foreign group is even being considered is pretty hypocritical....don't you think? When this administration and it's party's platform is doing everything it can (openly and clandestinely) to remove "lethal" weapons from it's citizenry (i.e. gun control in America)?

This is not exclusively a party line issue, after all the U.S. has armed foreign groups that seek to overthrow an oppressive foreign government before. However, don't you think it's a little funny how our government can seek to arm foreign groups, while at the same time doing all it can to disarm America?

For those of you with a little grey matter this should stimulate some thought.

The Dog

lecourouge:

Also it would be nice if this clown of a president would give aid to American citizens instead of foreigners all the time

He does. And when he does you bitch that your taxes will go up and he's a socialist and everyone just wants free stuff. Make up your mind!

Not very "secret" if it's in the news, is it. I'm just saying.

Big Secret, wow. And no surprise.

We were arming and training right-wing Islamic extremists back in the 1980's in Afghanistan, too. It was the biggest program like that the CIA ever ran.

That's where the people who attacked us on 9/11 came from.

Sigh, The U.S. and Al Queda.

Back together again at last.

Hey NJ Person! Long time no see!!! How was the wedding???

Obama seems to be telling LOTS of secrets these days...maybe he is related to Julian Assange too!

Sure Cornfed. Don't exercise your right to vote. Go right ahead, guess who will get elected then. not you....

I'm not running sir...

There will always be wealthy, tell me a time in the history of this planet when there wasn't wealthy people. Name one point.

We create the wealthy. I have no animosity towards the honestly earned wealth of this country. The wealthy should represent excellence in our ethics and competitive nature. When they represent corruption and deception, they should be punished. Equating wealth with deceptive evil is a terribly ignorant thought process.

Here we go again...getting mixed up in another middle east mess that will end badly....

I feel sorry for spies these days. They always get stuck in these sort of hotbeds that are impossible to achieve anything. Who would want to be a spy now? At least in the cold war they could accomplish something.

Empress

In the cold war we were America and our CIA fought for the interest of America and no one else.

Sure glad it's a secret... Otherwise everyone might know about it... We can't have that now can we?

Empress

Good point. You do not want to be a spy today because today's CIA is not your daddy's CIA. The good old days of the cold war are gone. Then we knew who our friends were and who our enemies were. We were crack back then. We were a first world country. Nationalism was the norm not this one world New World Order stuff of politically correct BS of today. We had our priorities straight.

Bluelake

You do realize that twice as many Americans have died in 3 ½ years in Afghanistan under your boy-toy Barrack Hussein than under 6 ½ years under Bush. 1,579 of the 2,069 total are on Barracks watch.

Obama, the anti-war Bush slanderer who pandered for votes from the likes of Code Pink, has committed the U.S. to 12 more years in Afghanistan and billions of dollars in aid. Still, the Liberal Obama chair sniffing Liberals and the pathetic lamestream media are silent,

I haven’t watched CNN for a few years, are they still running daily body counts like they did during the Bush administration?

Hypocrites!

Kornfed: Sad isn't it. The politicians are the same, the parties are the same, the puppetmasters pulling the strings behind the curtain don't care what flavor puppet they use, gull the people, use the people, F*ck the people, they are only there to be used in the power game.

Obama ran on Hope and Change and all that happy horsesh!t and the people, desperate for a real leader, elected him. They were screwed...again. The machine is all powerful. Look at what happened to Ron Paul. Marginalized, demonized and pushed out so that the Romney puppet could take the stage. Now the Obama puppet and the Romney puppet are doing their dance, only thing about the Romney puppet over the Obama puppet is the Romney puppet doesn't hate America, the Obama puppet does.

Kronfed-

The difference is that the wealthy today have only one goal: to become increasingly more wealthy, regardless of the effect on workers, the environment, the economy, etc.

There used to be a term kicked around in American business: corporate citizenship. This meant that companies, while trying to maximize profits, would also consider the quality of life of their workers, their role in local communities, environmental impact, and several other factors.

Today, the attitude is "screw all that- let's make the most money we can and to hell with everything else!"

If a billionaire has $10 billion, he'll gladly shut down a factory that employs half of a small town and move the work to China if it'll make him another billion. Really? $10 billion isn't enough?

Sure, everyone has a right to make absolutely as much money as they can. But, seriously, is there anything wrong with saying "I've made more than I, my kids, my grandkids, and their kids will ever spend in a lifetime. I want' to give something back." ?

I heard a report from the WSJ recently that said that an I-phone would only cost about $30 more if it were produced in the US. Apple couldn't forego that small amount of profit (relatively) to move those jobs to America? I know they don't have to, but 30 or 40 years ago, they would have, and not complained about it.

Shhhhhh. its a secret, its also a election year, Shhhhhhh don't tell anybody, don't want them to know, now how do we make this look good? arming the ME is always a good Idea, keeps the locals attention off the west right? they will never adopt a Islamic organization to rule, we have managed to assist 20% of the world to become our biggest nightmare, on top of a already existing nightmare, I know Obama has more access to what is going on then I do, but is he applying common sense, I don't object to arming as long as there is a method of disarming them after the fact. we still don't know who we are giving weapons to. its possible that the POS being removed might be better then the POS that will replace him. I have my doubts about foreign policy these days. even though I am a McCain supporter I don't stand by him on this so you know I don't agree with Obama. my theory is let the ME figure this out, its not our responsibility. funny why the most secretive president in history can't keep certain secrets secrets. and why cant the Saudis do this, I'll also be willing to bet we wont give them American made weapons. we will buy them from China wait and see, why because its a secret. American made weapons would be a giveaway of the secret.

Perhaps there are only "a handful" of jihadists in the ranks of the rebel forces, but those that appeared on camera at the capture of the Turkish border outpost did say that they were fighting to establish a trans-Iraq/Syria emirate. The presence of a black al-Qaeda banner as opposed to a "Free Syrian" flag was also noted. Salafists are not the "metropolitan", "average-joe", "patriots" that some media sources would like us to believe comprise the Free Syrian Army.

The Chechen separtist movement used to be about independence for Chechnya from the Russian Federation - that was before the declaration of the Caucasus Emirate in 2007. For the last five years there have been NO Chechen nationalists. Yet our New York Times and Washing Post both refer to the jihad being fought there as a "nationalist movement". It's funny, because many of the fighters on that front hail from Algeria, Indonesia, Uzbekistan and everywhere else but Chechnya. It is all about the reestablishment of the caliphate. This country has consistently backed "nationalist" movements long after they have been wholly usurped by jihadists. Supplying these idiots in Syria will just mean that a heck of a lot more 7.62 mm and RPG-7 rounds go directly ino the hands of our future enemies.

Perhaps our President is taking a page from former President Clinton who so eagerly supplied foreign jihadists in Bosnia. Those very same fighters would go on to be involved in the 1999 Millenium Plot, 9/11, Iraq, and Afghanistan. Members of our State Department and the Clinton faction still believe that they brought stability by dealing with jihadists. 17 years after Dayton we are still dealing with jihadists in the Balkans who want to reestablish a "Green Corridor" by force which will stretch from Istanbul to Vienna.

If McCain has been elected president and he directed the US to use for on Libya like Obama did, and now helping Syria would dems have supported McCain? See....I don't think so. They would say he is a warmonger and the US is broke and we can't afford these proxy wars. But as along as Obama is one giving the orders, they might not like it, but they remain silent no matter how many proxy wars are started. Equally the drone issue isn't favored by the far left, but they don't say anything either.

That is the difference between the two parties. The dems know to shut up and follow orders and not break rank. They never condemn their party members for bad policy or disgusting actions. If they do they are reputed for life. The republicans criticize each other and then weaken the ranks and the dems come marching in. This has happened over and over again.

Kronfed-

The difference is that the wealthy today have only one goal: to become increasingly more wealthy, regardless of the effect on workers, the environment, the economy, etc.

I am sorry to inform you of human nature.... It's science! When you go off to work, who are you doing it for?

Isn't this what the Republifascists want? More wars? Then what are you complaining about?

Obama ran on Hope and Change and all that happy horsesh!t and the people, desperate for a real leader, elected him. They were screwed...again. The machine is all powerful. Look at what happened to Ron Paul. Marginalized, demonized and pushed out so that the Romney puppet could take the stage. Now the Obama puppet and the Romney puppet are doing their dance, only thing about the Romney puppet over the Obama puppet is the Romney puppet doesn't hate America, the Obama puppet does.

I think you and I have a lot in common... Although, I dont believe either man hates America. Differing visions do not represent hate.

Interesting how the anti-war liberals are suddenly pro-war so long as it is Obama leading the charge. Hypocrites.

Now, now, the liberals are the war mongers these days. Not too many of you out there complaining about Obama and his arming of terrorists to create Sharia law. Guess you think because you support him you won't get tossed under the bus?

As to Obama, if he loved or even cared for this country his actions would be different. Note how he is alienating former allies and kissing up to current enemies.

He is a puppet to the Democratic establishment, just as any other POTUS is to their affiliated party. These men do not dictate policy in any way shape or form!!!!

@Mike from AZ, The CEO's of the corporations job is to make money for the stock INVESTORS! just who do you think the investors are could it be your union? your 401K, the teachers union? how about the public service unions. aside of your parents or grandparents, touchy two way street isn't it, they might be working for you! its like a wall street protester protesting while waiting for a multi million dollar inheritan coming from wall street investments. its just that the CEO's are over compensated but you take that away and what do you get???.

LMFAO.

When is 'secret aid' not a secret?

When Obama is running for office. He's buying more votes by more chest beating. "LOOK WHAT I'M DOING. I AM SO GREAT". What an ass.

Unfortunately I'd rather have this ass in office than the other ass running against him.

350 million people and these two clowns are all we can come up with? We are lost.

Find the puppetmaster solve the problem. he is hiding behind the curtain.

Look out here comes another buss. $hit Obama is driving!

Ah, but there is more than one puppet master. There is a group of like-minded men (and women, who knows) who have agendas. Look no further than the PACs. Look who is in them and then figure out who benefits. Interesting that so often the same people keep pulling the strings. Mega banks, corporations, defense contractors, all those who need the status quo to survive. Note that Obama and Holder have not gone after one bankster, not one. Neither have they gone after any Wall Street crook(s). Wonder why?

Look who benefits. Look at what is happening with the banks and the EU. Most of the time those proponents of the One World Order mind set are the ones pulling strings. They are all about power and control. They want to control markets and resources and currencies. The liberals are foolish enough to believe that they are not being manipulated, they think that their ideology is the one shared by those they support while conservative are equally manipulated although, in general, a true conservative is vehemently against the idea of the collective. They are manipulated nonetheless, except the flag and Church are used to gain power. With the liberals it is anything 'green.'

Seems like the Obama administration's Department of Intelligence Leaks worked overtime to get this one out within minutes of Obama signing the "secret" assistance. Great job D.I.L.!

A U.S. official also said.......

OK, I will say it first: IDIOT.

Time to start looking at Mr. Obama's close "advisers", charge him/HER in Federal Court, send him/HER to Federal Prison and throw away the key to his/HER cell.

So we are now arming a group that Hilary Clinton 6 months ago said was filled with terrorists and those who supported the bombing of the US. This same group attacked US troops in Iraq. When this group takes over, who will be in control of the chemical weapons? How did our supporting the rebels work out in Libya? Look at how many freedoms they now have.

Look who benefits. Look at what is happening with the banks and the EU. Most of the time those proponents of the One World Order mind set are the ones pulling strings. They are all about power and control. They want to control markets and resources and currencies.

Yes!...never underestimate the ambitions of man!

Here is the real headline:

Obama does not known that secrets are no longer secrets once major news outlet's report stories in the headlines.

Infotainment at it's best.

The liberals are foolish enough to believe that they are not being manipulated, they think that their ideology is the one shared by those they support while conservative are equally manipulated although, in general, a true conservative is vehemently against the idea of the collective. They are manipulated nonetheless, except the flag and Church are used to gain power. With the liberals it is anything 'green.'

I cannot argue with this...

Is that like double secret probation in the movie Animal House? Come to think of it: All those students in Animal House are represented by those in the Obama Administration........ Useless and doesn't know the Constitution from a roll of toilet paper...............

Page 29 lines 4-16 of the Health Care Act.........

The line I find here is nothing like yours:

If you have a different source to the document, please provide a link.

I don't understand this attraction liberals have toward radical muslims. We have Obama supporting them in Egypt, Libya and now Syria. He promotes muslim praying on the white house lawn. His former chief advisor, Rahm Emmanuel, just hired them to provide protection for the city of Chicago....

You do realize that the goal of radical islam is to kill non-believers?

oh and psst...as far as the WMD's that Syria holds....where do you think those came from? Could they have been in the envoys of trucks seen crossing from Iraq in the weeks prior to US operations beginning when they were refused access to UN weapons investigators?

This country won't make it with another 4 years of Obama and his policies.

More warmongering from the Peace Prize President. No matter which party, this has to stop. Drone assassinations around the globe, and now coming to America, clandestine operations that Congress isn't even privy to?

The left is so out of control they have turned into what they espouse to hate - backroom drug deals with big Pharma illegally negotiated by Obama's campaign director, global assassinations, unauthorized wars and military involvement in places we have no business being... c'mon, if you leftie are going to cry hypocrisy, you cannot ignore you are now the party of war, murder, illegal backroom dealings with corporate America and out of control spending.

@ Justme-2131311,

What do you think is going to happen when Romney becomes President? John McCain is already screaming do more to help in Syria just as he did for Libya. Look at what fuss the Republican's have made over pulling out of Iraq and what a fuss they are putting up over Afghanistan. Republican's have always been the warmongers, it's not because they like spending our money it's because they like filling the pockets of there warmongering business associates. Look at how much damage Bushes Foreign Policy has done!

another leak to make him look like commander and chef.

Also it would be nice if this clown of a president would give aid to American citizens instead of foreigners all the time.

You know I didn't like it when Democrat's and Liberals said things like this about President Bush and I like it even less now that's being said about President Obama. I may not agree with President Obama and I've come straight out and said I'm not voting for him but there is no need to be so disrespectful of our leader. If you think you can do a better job then run.

Time to start looking at Mr. Obama's close "advisers", charge him/HER in Federal Court, send him/HER to Federal Prison and throw away the key to his/HER cell.

I agree. These leaks need to be sealed off.

Isn't this what the Republifascists want?

More disrespect. How do you get off calling me a fascist? Do you even know what a fascist is? How is this war my fault? Maybe you should start thinking a little bit before you start calling people like me names. In the fight for freedom there will be war. The U.S. didn't get it's Freedom by being peaceful and neither did Europe. Dictators never go out peacefully. You would deprive a group of people Freedom in the name of Peace which is pretty @!$%#ing sick. Glad to know which side you are on... Which happens to be the non-Freedom Fascist side.

But, seriously, is there anything wrong with saying "I've made more than I, my kids, my grandkids, and their kids will ever spend in a lifetime. I want' to give something back." ?

The good news is that most of the people you call wealthy do give something back. The bad news is they won't give it to you. I wouldn't either.

If a billionaire has $10 billion, he'll gladly shut down a factory that employs half of a small town and move the work to China if it'll make him another billion. Really? $10 billion isn't enough?

When you can answer what the difference between Public and Private Enterprise is then you will find your answer. Now, after you look up the answer go to a mirror and look at yourself. I hope you realize that you are part of the problem. It starts by not being educated. You get dictated to by your Party that such and such of thing is a cause to fight for without realizing that there is a cost for winning that fight. Here is an example... Lead that goes into car batteries. How many mills are still open in the U.S. that can provide Lead for our batteries? 1. That one mill is dirty, antiquated, and barely functional. It's a health hazard but because of Leftist Environmentalist and the need for Lead (because we can't live without it) it remains open. If more mills were open they would be cleaner, healthier, better for the environment and would provide jobs for Americans but because of idiotic overkill regulations none can be opened. New technologies have come about and countries overseas are taking advantage of them but because of people like yourself we keep trucking lead across the U.S. and thus polluting more of the Environment than if we had opened a new factory in the first place. You are the problem. You say and do whatever your Party tells you is the right thing to say and do. After all it feels good and thus it must be the right thing... right?

So, the next time you say "It's some Billionaires fault that the town is closed and jobs shipped away." maybe you should get up and look at yourself in the mirror. Then make sure to point and say real loud, "I am the reason that town went away and all those people lost their jobs. I didn't take the time to understand the true long term cost of that regulation. Instead I only looked at the short term and it cost 100,000 people their future. Not the Billionaire but me."

How can it be secret when it is flashed all over the headlines here? At least we are not getting ourselves into another republican called for war like CcPain has been calling for. Warmongers all of them!

Any of you Republican hypocrites remember - IRAN-CONTRA?

Justme-2131311

Wow, kind of like.... Syria is part of the axis of evil and there MUST be weapons of mass destruction in the Iraqi desert. John McCain (remember him from the grand old party) wanted us to arm the syria rebels.

Hey Cheney, here is a chance for you to make more $$ on the military war machine, just like Iraq.

IWONDER- if you didn't vote then you have no right to complain.

Obama is supporting the Muslim Brotherhood & Al-Quaida !! The very people & Ideology the USA is fighting against !

So some would call it treason !

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Obama authorizes secret support for Muslim Brotherhood and al-Qaeda rebels in Syria"

Republicans criticized Obama for not sending military aid to help the Free Syria Army. Now they criticize him for sending aid. How short of a memory do they really have?

"Roger-785733

If it so secret, why am I reading about it ?"

Because it's an election year and Obama is famous for "leaking" information he thinks will get him reelected.

"Obama Care Facts: Page 29. Lines 4-16, Health Care rationing, you can only get $5000 a year of care, $10,000 a whole family. Page 50, Section 152, Health Care WILL be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise. Page 127, lines 1-16, the government WILL tell you how much money you can make." - Great Job America!

As a conservative I call out liberals for lying all the time. It's only fair that I call out those who seemingly are conservative who do the same. In fact I think it is MORE important for me to call out the "conservative" because lies by you make the rest of us look like uninformed blithering idiot and I refuse to be made out to be an uninformed blithering idiot by your weak, blathering, rhetorical buffoonery.

I too am strongly opposed to Obamacare, the difference is that my stance is based very firmly on fact while yours is based on a wild shrieking fantasy. Now if you have something relevant and factual to add to the discourse in the future then great, I would love to hear it. However, if all you have is drive-by, rhetorical pot-shot lies then do the rest of us conservatives a favor, just stay home and STFU.

Republicans criticized Obama for not sending military aid to help the Free Syria Army. Now they criticize him for sending aid. How short of a memory do they really have?

I'm a Republican and I am anything but criticizing the President for sending aid. As long as the President asks for a Congressional vote before sending in troops you won't hear anything from the Republican base but support for those seeking Freedom. It's the other side you need to worry about.

Every time we "help" a country overthrow their cruel government, we get bit in the arse. We need to stay out of this.

I'm a Republican and I am anything but criticizing the President for sending aid. As long as the President asks for a Congressional vote before sending in troops you won't hear anything from the Republican base but support for those seeking Freedom. It's the other side you need to worry about.

I doubt Obama is planning on sending in troops, HIGHLY doubt that. Perhaps special forces, which I would prefer with a silent nod of Congress, because we should not disclose the behavior an missions of our SEALS and special ops.

Balls to the Wall

Any of you Republican hypocrites remember - IRAN-CONTRA?

Do you want to discuss Fast and Furious?????????????

Midnightridr

"Included in that 'law' is a requirement that females be 'circumcised' "

@mygirl1.......Have I been missing something my entire life or what? How is it even possible to circumcise a female? I have never heard of that in my life!

Where have you been for the last 4000 years? This is a standard mutilation included in Sharia law. If you watched or read the news, you might pick up on this occasionally; even the lamestream networks will run a story on the practice once in a great while. The practice has absolutely zero medical value, unlike male circumcision. It is strictly men visiting absolute hell on women.

does anyone know that this has been happening for many,many years? We (the US) have been propping up dictators and rebels for many years- the difference today versus, say 1970, is that news needs news so nothing is a secret. As a matter of fact many people's beloved George H.W. Bush was doing these types of things as director of the CIA for a long, long time (See: Confessions of an Economic Hitman, John Perkins).

Point is: why get political about this? Every president from the last 65 years has been doing this....

Any of you Republican hypocrites remember - IRAN-CONTRA?

Do you want to discuss Fast and Furious?????????????

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

Yeah, let's compare wilfully and illegally SELLING MISSILES and then using the profits to wilfully and illegally FUND A CIVIL WAR IN ANOTHER COUNTRY to losing track of a couple of guns in a bungled sting operation -- after all they're TOTALLY the same thing, right???

Think before you derp, son!

Bob in KC the only thing I would change is Muslim Men !

They hate us and if Obama thinks that will change he is an idiot !

Look at Iran who the US helped , now the biggest threat to world peace !

Egypt now in the control of the Muslim Brotherhood , increased attacks on Christians . Fortunately the military still has power .

We have assisted in the instability of the ME and world peace !

mygirl1

You a proponent of Sharia law? You do realize that without the intervention of the Egyptian military, Sharia law will be the law of Egypt, don't you. Included in that 'law' is a requirement that females be 'circumcised' and the age for little girls marrying is going to drop to fourteen, or is it twelve? No matter, Obama is the one pushing for 'women's rights' so long as those women are over here. He obviously doesn't care about Middle Eastern women, they don't vote democrat.

So tell me MyGirl, who or what gave you the right to decide what form of government or law the people of a sovereign nation must adhere to? Is it your God that gives you that right? I don't remember reading it in the Constitution. Tell you what, how about you buy yourself an M4 Carbine, body armor, Kevlar, and ruck and go fight for freedom. No seriously MyGirl, I really believe all you chicken-hawk patriots should ruck-up and move out smartly.

charlie451

Look at Iran who the US helped , now the biggest threat to world peace !

OK Charlie, before i accuse you of senile dementia, please let me know just exactly how and when we helped Iran? Are you aware that the US and British Governments ousted the President of Iran in 1953 and installed Mohammad Reza Pahlavi as it's dictator, all in support of US and British Petroleum companies? Are you aware that the Shah murdered an untold number of his own people in order to stay in power as the US/British Petroleum company Puppet?

So please explain to me exactly how we helped Iran?

By the way, if you consider Iran the biggest threat to world peace...your sense of proportion sucks.

News98 - Oh for Christ sake News, you're worse than the media. Of course this sh!t isn't secret. If it were the Administration and State Department wouldn't have provided statements. This is simply more sensationalist journalism. As I'm sure by your "liberal" comment, you are an avid viewer of FOX News, you should be quite familiar with sensationalism.

"President Barack Obama has signed a so-called "intelligence finding" authorizing covert aid to the Syrian rebels seeking to depose Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and his government, NBC News has confirmed"

I'm sure glad that it's kept a 'secret'. We wouldn't want anyone finding out about it. Of course it just might help Obama's reelection to have it known, so don't mention it to anyone.

LOL

bluelake,

"No matter how badly Obama @!$%#s up in his first term, he will never come close to the horrendous damage done to this country and indeed the world, by the administration of Bush and Real President Cheney. Lying, scheming, war profiteering and the pure greed for money and power will be the historic hallmarks of Bush and Real President Cheney. I repeat, Obama couldn't screw up that badly if he tried."

WOW! Lying, scheming, pure greed for money and power - yup! IF you can remember (and I doubt that very much) it all started with the three (3), count them three, inaugural balls held in Washington. The constant reversals he makes of his own policy. The amount of time, energy and taxpayer money spent on his wife to work for over a year on his re-election financial matters. I won't mention that she is the dam lamest first something-or-other ever to take up space in the White House or that she herself stated that she hated the United States. Deny that one.

Try to think once in a while bluelake but be careful because it just might burst your mypoic democratic bubble.

When the dust settles and things are going better in Syria, repubs Rove, Norquist, and Cheney will abduct Little Georgy Bush from his ranch, fly him to the streets of Syria, slap a Miss America type ribbon across his chest that says "Mission Accoplished." Then they will give him credit for solving the crisis like they did with Death of Bin Laden.

Obama/Biden 2012

Ol Doc: I will type slowly so that you will understand. I am AGAINST wars, now spin away with all your neocon, bodyarmor blah, blah, blah, but it is YOUR hero Obama who is beating the war drum, sorry you aren't capable of understanding that. Blinded by Obamalove or are you in favor of treating women worse than cattle? Wonder how supportive of Sharia you'd be if you were forced to live under it? If you're a man and a misogynist then I can see where you'd just love Sharia and bend over backward to allow for those 'freedoms'.

or let Senator MCain and his family go over and fight.

Margie,

McCain has already served his country.

That man has done enough fighting for this country to last 2 lifetimes....why don't you get your ass off the couch and defend it with something other than you fat fingers...

McCain served his country, at the request of his president, now as a career politician he does nothing but piss and moan playing armchair quarterback, with NO RESPECT FOR HIS PRESIDENT. Easy to say give "rebels" weapons, what if a group of anti-government people were trying to overthrow our Govt. and China gave them weapons? What kind of hatred would that instill towards China. Use your heads brothers jmbo and jamBO.

The Rebels said they will behead Assad when they get him !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Margie

Are you really that stupid that you would call John McCain out and suggest he wouldn’t fight for his country or some how he would be afraid to serve. This man spent years as a prisoner of war. He has sacrificed more for this country than you can even fathom. You are a pathetic individual to stoop so low in an effort to tear down the Republican Party. It is unfortunate that you get the benefits of our brave country men and women, both Democrats and Republicans because you don’t deserve it!

fritter-and-wait

with NO RESPECT FOR HIS PRESIDENT.

To get respect, you have to give it, and earn it.

sorry folks , j McCain was a really bad pilot . he is an even worse as a congressman and an even worse candidate for president .

@Margie... He has done his time. I know you are not serious and I can hope you respect the man for serving this country. If you can't then I guess you can go hum and ho with the other loony moonbat traitors. Good day to you.

carpenter7

sorry folks , j McCain was a really bad pilot . he is an even worse as a congressman and an even worse candidate for president .

Did you serve or fly with Mr. McCain?

Good old American government support the rebels and 20 or 30 years from now we will have to send troops after them like bin laden and noriega.

Good old American government support the rebels and 20 or 30 years from now we will have to send troops after them like bin laden and noriega.

Probably even sooner than that.

Carpenter 7....you are an idiot. McCain is a Senator.

Relax folks. What they mean by "secret" is covert, in other words, the support will be behind the scenes, not in the open, as in marked military cargo planes unloading supplies in full view for example, that's all.

Margie-3262856

or let Senator MCain and his family go over and fight.

Really? Dipstick, he was a POW in North Vietnam for 5 1/2 years. His Skyhawk was shot down and he suffered a broken right leg around the knee, his right arm was broken in three places, and his left arm was broken.

In his own words:

Some North Vietnamese swam out and pulled me to the side of the lake and immediately started stripping me, which is their standard procedure. Of course, this being in the center of town, a huge crowd of people gathered, and they were all hollering and screaming and cursing and spitting and kicking at me.

When they had most of my clothes off, I felt a twinge in my right knee. I sat up and looked at it, and my right foot was resting next to my left knee, just in a 90-degree position. I said, "My God--my leg!" That seemed to enrage them —I don't know why. One of them slammed a rifle butt down on my shoulder, and smashed it pretty badly. Another stuck a bayonet in my foot. The mob was really getting up-tight.

He was in solitary confinement over 2 years in a 10 x 10 with only 2 holes for ventilation and a tin roof and that was before he was put into a 6 x 2 box with no ventilation.

He was repeatedly interrogated, and beaten, breaking teeth off at the gumline, and breaking his left arm again, and his ribs. He gave almost 30 years of his life serving our country.

What have you given, Margie? How much torture have you endured?

So a man who not only fought bravely, but was subject to torture should "take his family over there and serve himself"?

What a vile and disgusting sentiment. The depth of hate shown by the left continues to surprise me, with a recent example being the American press yelling questions at Romney at Poland's Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, it is simply not right. This is beyond low, beyond disrespectful, and is becoming typical of the rabid left wing media and those who post their hate day after day.

The pendulum is swinging - anyone paying attention saw that today at Chik-fil-A's across the nation.

Keep it up, and you will not only return to the minority, you will be ignored as the silly empty headed spoiled little children that you mimic.

nibor

This is the wrong way to do this. Obama needs to be hands on with this as soon as he can get his junk packed in the U-Haul.

Does he get to wear a cod piece like GW did on the Aircraft Carrier? Hey, and a big "Mission Accomplished" banner would be a nice touch, right? Maybe he should spout "Bring'em on" and "Wanted dead or alive" too.

fritter-and-wait,

"... with NO RESPECT FOR HIS PRESIDENT". You seem to have a problem with McCain's point of view of the "president". Is he not allowed to feel that this particular "president" is a joke and not fit for the job?

Sorry frit but I see this lame-a$$ "president" in exactly the same light that McCain sees him. And, by the way, I have no respect for him as president (but not the man himself) and I sure as hell have absolutely no respect for the wife of the "president" (either in her "official" capacity or as a person).

That is my right to feel that way unless you want to make this country into a dictatorship with obama or yourself as it's head and allow only one (yours) opinion.

Best headline all year.

Would you say best quote is:

Last week, Reuters reported that, along with Saudi Arabia and Qatar, Turkey had established a secret base near the Syrian border to help direct vital military and communications support to Assad's opponents.

Followed immediately by:

This "nerve center" is in Adana, a city in southern Turkey about 60 miles from the Syrian border, which is also home to Incirlik, a U.S. air base where U.S. military and intelligence agencies maintain a substantial presence.

I know the editing on MSNBC has, historically, been terrible but I think they forgot what the word "secret" means.

Most of the GOP is Supporting this Act !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And so is Obama obviously. Not quite your savior now, is he Pathetic.

Hello folks, when will we discard our Imperialistic mindset? This is just more war mongering and demonizing as the U.S. is trying to drum up more support for another war. We’ve caused enough trouble around the world. If you can't see that we are the instigators in most of the world's wars and displacement of millions of people who are fleeing our aggression, than you are in denial and are not paying attention. If you don’t think we have been in Syria covertly arming the rebels since the beginning you are in denial and forgetting about Libya. We need to stay out of other country’s civil disputes. We aren’t going to go against the United Nations vote earlier this year and unilaterally go into Syria under the pretext that we need to stop the violence like we did in Libya.

Why is it other countries feel like they have to defend their territory? Could it be that they know we have no problem invading their sovereignty just as we have done to countless other countries. Since World War II, 90% of the casualties of war are unarmed civilians. 1/3 of them children. Our victims have done nothing to us. From Palestine to Afghanistan to Iraq to Somalia to wherever our next target may be, their murders are not collateral damage, they are the nature of modern warfare. They don't hate us because of our freedoms. They hate us because every day we are funding and committing crimes against humanity. The so-called "war on terror" is a cover for our military aggression to gain control of the resources of western Asia.

This is sending the poor of this country to kill the poor of those Muslim countries. This is trading blood for oil. This is genocide, and to most of the world, we are the terrorists. In these times, remaining silent on our responsibility to the world and its future is criminal. And in light of our complicity in the supreme crimes against humanity in Iraq and Afghanistan, and ongoing violations of the U.N. Charter in International Law, how dare any American criticize the actions of legitimate resistance to illegal occupation.

We are going into Syria for a couple of reasons (yes we are in Syria with our Drones at a minimum), one, we are trying to dislodge Russia from there because they have a foothold in the Middle East via two military bases in Latakia and Tartus in Syria. Two, Syria is a strong ally of Iran. If we invade Syria we take out a strong ally and maybe incite Iran to assist giving the U.S. the reason they are looking for to attack Iran. The ultimate goal is to surround, weaken and to invade Iran. The petro dollar is at stake as other countries are switching to other forms of currency in buying Iran’s oil.

Since the Russian war in 1828, Iran has never attacked another country. We on the other hand have attacked to name a few:
Libya, Iran, Nicaragua, Haiti, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Angola, Mozambique, Honduras, Chile, Congo, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon, Somalia, Angola, Columbia, Peru, Panama, Yemen, Pakistan, Grenada, Mexico, etc..

Wake up people we are being herded down the Military Industrial Complex gauntlet again to another false war to enrich the greedy Corporations and distract the American people. Did we not learn anything from the Iraq war where we have killed well over 1 million Iraqi people, lost thousands of American lives and God knows how many hundreds of billions of dollars?

Who do you support, humanity or the greedy elite?

Many of our soldiers don't fight for America, they fight for their lives and their buddies beside them, because we put them in a war zone. They're not defending our freedoms, they're laying the foundation for permanent military bases to defend the freedoms of Exxon Mobil and British Petroleum.

Face it we're Imperialists pure and simple. The elite look down on all of us as expendable chattel.

"Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy" Henry Kissinger

I’m not asking you to hate war, but to love peace? War, what is it good for, absolutely nothing!

Anyone with eyes who read the propaganda pieces in the news over the past year knew that covert aid was occurring long before today.

Patiotic- You're full of it. John McCain is not the GOP. He is one guy with maybe one other GOP politician that agrees with him.

patriotic,

"Most of the GOP is Supporting this Act !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Even though YOUR democratic "president" just did WHAT? Lame sonny, real lame.

trustverify,

"Why is it other countries feel like they have to defend their territory? Could it be that they know we have no problem invading their sovereignty just as we have done to countless other countries."

So you are trying to say that you personally went to all these countries and determined by what they told you that they were afraid of the US? You also throw around a lot of meaningless numbers and percentages without proof. Good position totake on a debate team - for losing.

Someone ask Palin what she thinks of the situation in Syria.

What a great country we live in. While less progressive countries keep their secrets secret, we share them with the entire world. What next? Maybe tommorrow it will be announced that Iran has been placed on double secret probation. Anybody currently looking for work should seriously consider journalism as you simply can't do any worse than a headline announcing a diplomatic/military secret. This would be funny except at some point this amateur administration is going to blow a big one and we will once again pay in blood. Let these people in th middle east kill each other without our help.

Hello Richard, I'm assuming your talking about the statistics on the U.S. penchant for war. I usually don't like doing the work for the children that were left behind but I do on occasion do charity work for the mentally handicapped so here you go.

As hard as this is let's look at our history and record:

We have been a country for almost 236 years and have been at war for 215 years! Who knows what they are calling the Syrian war.

The Revolutionary War – 1775 – 1783

The Whiskey Rebellion – 1789 - 1794

The War of 1812 – 1812 – 1814

The Mexican American War – 1846 – 1848

The American Civil War – 1861 – 1865

The Spanish American War – 1897 – 1898

The Indian American Wars – 1775 – 1918

World War I – 1914 – 1918

World War II – 1941 – 1945

Cold War 1945 – 1992

The Vietnam War - 1962 – 1973

The Invasion of Grenada – 1983 – 1984

The Invasion of Panama – 1989

Operation Desert Storm – 1991 – 1992 (Kuwait)

Operation United Shield – 1992 – 1995 (Somalia)

Operation Determined Falcon – 1998 – 1999 (Kosovo, Albania)

Operation Enduring Freedom – 2001 – 2012 (Afghanistan)

Operation Iraqi Freedom – 2003 – 2011 (Iraq)

Operation Freedom Falcon – 2011 - ? (Libya)

You missed the Korean War

Promise Syrian the world, but give them nothing.

That's only for the US. The Muslims will probably get at least something from Obama.

@ sharriannie-

For someone who travel to several countries before and have family members who actually do business oversea, what Obama said actually true.

Ever try to open business at 3rd world countries like Cambodia or Vietnam? I bet you haven't, the infrastructure are important and the market is also the key.

The reasons companies came to the US to do business because there are market and infrastructure to support it. The same with China with all the outsourcing companies. It took decades to build everything and with the support of the government, the business can start to pick up.

You are a clueless person who don't even know first thing about business. Without a good support of the community, government and the locals, you are bounded to fail.

This is why the key for any business is "LOCATION, LOCATION AND LOCATION".

President OBAMA 2012 "Guaranteed"

Ex-President Obama 2012...absolutely Guaranteed.

obama get another 4 years and mr partiotic America you will not have a country

Jon Jones

Ex-President Obama 2012...absolutely Guaranteed.

The only thing “guaranteed” in this life is death, everything else is hoped for.

@sharriannie-

You are not dems, you are a republican who pretend to be something else. You still haven't brought up any points that support what you said.

Btw, I am an independent. I support Obama this time because I know more about him than I do with Romney who don't even go into any specific.

I also want to avoid another war with Iran.

You said Romney is better than Obama, then tell me how? What makes him better? Don't tell me "anyone is better than Obama" like many clueless people.

ROMNEY 2012

coundog is an independent. Damn, that is funny! Hang in there sharriannie. Is He a Haiphong independent?

@ Dasvet

I am from the South and your racist comment is showing. I live in the US for more than 15 years and am just as much an American as you are.

Yes, I am an independent, I make lots of comment to support Obama because like I said, I know more about him. If you take the Christian support and reason out of Romney, what do you vote him for?

I barely know Romney, he didn't tell me anything at all. He also support war for Iran, which something I don't want for the next 4 years.

What are yours reasons to support Romney besides "Anyone better than Obama mantra"?

Obama signs NDAA into law, something even Bush wouldn't do. Obama has his own personal 'kill' list and examines it daily. Who authorizes all those drone attacks? Obama. He is a 'covert' warmonger, his hands are bloody and Obama now has the power to kill any American he deems a 'terrorist' and can have them killed without trial, jury, judge or legal counsel. He is judge, jury and executioner. NDAA grants him that power, it allows him to detain indefinitely, without trial, charges or right to counsel anyone he deems a terrorist. How they get that appelation remains a mystery. Secrets of state, no oversight on who he can kill, none.

Cuong, if you lived through Vietnam and yet you support Obama, what does that say about your values? We do indeed know Obama...now. He is a dangerous man, a wolf in sheep's clothing. He does not like this country, his goal is to 'radically transform' it. He stated that on several ocassions. He never stated how or what he wanted to transform America into, but his track record seems to indicate that he is looking to turn America into Zimbabwe.

@mygirl1

From your post, you blame Obama on everything, a single person that can work thousands of hours on everything and have the workload of thousands from what you are saying.

I can sense the hate and unreasonable logic in your statement.

Look at Bush and how many American that got killed during those years, then you have Romney who vow to continue that with Iran. To that, Obama is much better than them.

I am not saying Obama is any saint, but of a lesser two of the devils, he is still much better.

Also, as someone who suddenly got a debt of my parent on me, I understand Obama situation much better than you. In 5 years, all I can do is pay the interests alone. You can't expect a miracle workers that can solve everything in 4 years of what took 30 years in the making.

Bottom line, compared to Bush and what Romney vowed to do, then yes Obama is much better candidates. All politicians are wolf in sheep clothes, but what make Romney better than Obama? I am still waiting for that.

You missed 90% of my post apparently. NDAA?

Dasvet has no clear ideas on any subject. His pointless posts should be proof enough he is just a troll. Ignore him.

CuongDNguyen while I respect your opinion based on your experience inside and outside the US, I think you miss the point of "you didn't build that".

Roads got built, infrastructure got built, because 230+ years ago some folks began with an idea that people should be able to live freely, with little constraint from government.

These pioneers established a government out of their success. Their pioneering efforts and their belief in coming together to form a government was built out of rugged individualism.

Obama and others didn't build government, successful American citizens built the government. Hard working Americans built the system, the government was created and exists because we allow it to exist, and for no other reason.

So with all due respect, the President has it 180 degrees wrong. The business owner risked, worked, risked some more. And now more than ever, there are nearly endless obstacles thrown at her or him from her or his government. This is not as it should be, and Obama's dimwitted statement showed how he really does not understand our nation at all.

As for Obama being the lesser of devils, think again. He is the first American President using drones to assassinate people around the globe, with no oversight. He is the scariest man on earth. More people were killed on the streets of NYC & LA than in Iraq, so if that is your measuring stick, you may want to rethink the definition of devils.

MyGirl - Do you know what the NDAA is and what it does? Just curious. I'm sure what you are going to mention but did you look at ALL faucets of the NDAA instead of just that one issue?

MrWonderful - Who has the president assassinated using drones other than those that have been deem terrorist? As for using the argument about more people being killed in NYC and LA than in Iraq, Let's be honest for a second because you are comparing apples to oranges. People being killed in NYC and LA are not being killed by terrorist or activist as my brothers and sisters were in Iraq. It was by senseless criminals who don't give a damn about life. Now you can put them in the same category based on the definition of terrorist but we both know better.

Newsvine is getting to be a waste of time overall. The republican vs. democrat arguments and jibes have gotten repetitive and boring already. Both of those parties and their adherents whine and complain about the actions of the other party, while the truth is there is little or no difference between them. Both condemn the actions of the other party even though they themselves would be taking the exact same actions if they were in power- or worse!

Reading NV, like this column today, more than ever reinforces my belief that we need to exorcise this Nation from the control of both parties. We need an 'Arab Spring" here as much as any of the ME countries. To be more precise- we need a revolution (hopefully at the ballot box) that will remove and replace our present national security state with something that is actually beneficial to the citizenry. But we need to dump both major parties to do that. WE'LL NEVER HAVE CHANGE UNTIL WE CHANGE/REMOVE OUR PRESENT "LAWMAKERS". Look at 3rd party candidates for the upcoming election. WE HAVE 360 MILLION PEOPLE TO CHOOSE FROM TO GET THE BEST MEN/WOMEN IN THE PRESIDENCY, SENATE AND CONGRESS, YET WE'RE SETTLING FOR THE SELECTIONS OF THE DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN PARTIES! We can do better than that. The only wasted vote is the one that goes towards keeping the problem causers/makers in power. REAL change can start with writing in a name in the write-in space on a ballot- AND MAKING SURE THE VOTE COUNTING MACHINES CAN COUNT THEM! (hint hint DIEBOLD!) That is much more preferable than another 4 years of this idiotic bickering!

Merlin, Diebold was a bs political stunt, no evidence that Diebold has ever had any effect on any election outcome. Just like gun control advocates the Diebold crap is blaming a machine for human activities. Just simply stupid.

cuong,

"...I support Obama this time because I know more about him than I do with Romney who don't even go into any specific."

So by saying that, you are actually saying you support obama from a position of ignorance. Suppose you knew more about Romney then obama, would you then support Romney? Well by your own logic, yes you would; however that might not be a smart choice because the other candidate might be better but you don't know that, do you.

In another post you state "I am not saying Obama is any saint, but of a lesser two of the devils, he is still much better."

HOW DO YOU KNOW if you don't know BOTH candidates (as you yourself stated)? You can't have it both ways.

Common sense: I do indeed know what the NDAA is and what it does. It disturbed me enough to do a through examination. The ACLU and several senators and both sides of the political divide (left and right) are profoundly against it. I suggest you take the time to do the research. If you are ok with destruction of you right to trial, counsel, indefinite detention and no guarantees that American citizens won't get caught in that web, then support it. Obama insisted that certain elements be added before he would sign it, the most draconian ones, BTW.

For your edification re the NDAA:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/08/ndaa-indefinite-detention-injunction_n_1581575.html

http://www.aclu.org/blog/tag/ndaa

If you don't find that disturbing and downright frightening then you must embrace the ideal of the police state.

Thank you mygirl1, my assumption was correct. I'm not considered a terrorist nor on a list as a potential so I can confidently say my rights won't be violated and this is only a small portion of the bill as it also sets spending limits for the military/pentagon as well as their health care if I remember it correctly. yes I did do the research which is why i posed the question. I figured this was the only gripe you had with the NDAA and I can respect you concern and no I don't embrace the idea of a police state but you and I know that we will never get that far.

The secret is the jobs and economic plan.

If it was truly a 'secret' we would know about it already.

Nothing gives American media elites a hard-on like revealing state "secrets," but in this case it wasn't much of a secret to begin with. Now it's just an OPEN secret.

EVERYONE knew we would be making this internal Syrian conflict our war before long, and sure enough here we go again. Our beloved national media have been beating the drums of intervention for months on end now, acting as the propaganda arm for what is happening.

Next will come the militarily enforced NO FLY ZONE (for "humanitaratian purposes only" of course) and eventually we will also force DEMOCRACY onto Syria whether they want it or not, no matter what the outcome or what forces eventually take charge there. Satan himself could be elected president of the "new" Syria and our establishment dandies would be sipping champagne and congratulating themselves on yet another job well done in the middle east.

Open secret or not... does this seems more like politics than caring for the Syrian situation? We DO have a vital interest in this "civil war" The outcome could affect us for years to come and yes.. I do believe that a Secret (regardless of the reality) should be kept that way. I really detest 9th hour politics... It does show a lack of leadership... There are a lot of things the left can say about Bush (some I agree with) But Obama action is not timely... no not at all. He cares little for the "Big picture" and cares more for his re-election.

10+ years of costly war in Afghansistan and Iraq, the sole reward for which has been dead and maimed military coming home. An on going pissing contest with Iran which could lead to war. We stick our nose into Libya and now Syria. Just let these people in the middle east kill each other off. They are good at it and don't need our help. We'll just end up being hated more no matter what we do there.

Maybe the leak was intended to shut up the critics...?

Maybe he takes Alice-in-Wonderland drugs again like he used to?

Ray in Jax, Are you implying that the Obama administration leaked secrets for political gain? Wouldn't that be wrong?

don't you actually mean iraq all over again???

I would think he is right in his comparison to Afghanistan. We started off with covert CIA operations, and providing intelligence to the opposing forces. But this wouldn't end like Afghanistan. There would be no where for Assad to run.

Assad could go to Russia or China, they love him....

Amen to that, Harold.

Hello Patriotic

Obummer is the one who is now giving the money to the rebels, Hillary is all for it...I think they are democrats. Oh, and don't forget who just sent Israel $70 million more last week, yes it was Obummer.

We just need to keep our noses out of their sh!t and let them kill each other off.

PA U.S.A

Try not deflecting from Obama's actions.

I'm with Patriotic on this! Just like Libya, justice will prevail without troops on the ground.

obama = war monger

Obama has proved that drones are more effective than 10 years and thousands of soldiers lives...

Oh right, we all forgot he came up with the idea of drones. Our bad.

ROMNEY 2012

Time to start burning effigy's of Obama, right liberals?!!!

H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-S

If Bush had used drones on the scale Obama is the ACLU would be jumping all over Bush. The dems would rake Bush all over the coals, but since it's one of them. Not a peep.

Ray in Jax

I'm with Patriotic on this!

Shocking!

This is what happens when you have a bunch of politicians invested in war stocks. They can't lose because were constantly at war with someone. Also the USA is paying for everything so they just sit back and collect thier profits!!! Mc Cain is probably one of the biggest investors, followed by bill and hilary clinton! This sh!t isn't about helping the rebels, it's about money!!!! Notice how we never help the govt, they have all thier weapons already. Just like when russia was invading afghanistan. We helped the rebels (al queda)!! Wait until all these rebels band together(muslim brotherhood) and come after us again. They'll be stronger than ever with all this oil money!!!!! Dumb, greedy dumbasses who sit back and let our young be killed for population control!!!!!!

Hey patriot,

Do you really think that by using "bold" lettering you are making a more truthful or forceful point? Push comes to shove, it makes you seem really immature.

See comment 2.3

Margie, the entire world is suffering from the economic collapse, not just the U.S.

We cannot sit on the sidelines as a madman slaughters his own people to remain in power.

Remember that this started out 17 months ago as peaceful protests. Protesters were shot and killed. Many were arrested and tortured, including children.

If you think we are sticking our nose were it doesn't belong, you are not an American that values freedoms and democracy for all. I suppose when we helped liberate France, Poland, and Africa that were sticking our noses in that to? This conflict has the potential to set the entire mid-east on fire.

So you are all for war with a cause. Makes sense. Too bad no one else ever had cause except Obama.

Jon Jones, after reading several of your ridiculous one line comments, it has become apparent that you lack any objectivity or knowledge of world affairs.

Where is the ignore button?

Many were arrested and tortured, including children.

Uh-huh...and Libyan soldiers were being fed viagra.

Pass the kool-aid please.

@Ray in Jax

We cannot sit on the sidelines as a madman slaughters his own people to remain in power.

Remember that this started out 17 months ago as peaceful protests. Protesters were shot and killed. Many were arrested and tortured, including children.

If you think we are sticking our nose were it doesn't belong, you are not an American that values freedoms and democracy for all. I suppose when we helped liberate France, Poland, and Africa that were sticking our noses in that to? This conflict has the potential to set the entire mid-east on fire.

How many of his own countrymen did Saddam murder? And yet we sat on the sidelines for two decades, watching him kill his own people. And yet you tout the wisdom of Obama to go in and stick our nose into Syria?

Amazing

He's not sending our troops to Syria....

As for your election comment, I'll be serving crow pie in November and your welcome to come by and get a piece.

Why is it her welcome. And we'll let you eat it all. You'll need it.

That's not very nice, Ray, offering to share when you know you'll be eating that pie all by yourself.

LOL, do you guys even pay attention to polls? Obama 2012 isn't a slogan, it's a prediction based on the opinions of likely voters.

You may come by for crow pie too. I plan on serving a lot of it....

No, I don't pay too much attention to polls, especially this far out from November. Unless the economy improves drastically, it doesn't look good for the guy in charge.

He's not sending our troops to Syria....

Spoken like a true politician. Sending them to Turkey to interfere in the Syrian civil war and then saying "no boots on the ground" is something a lawyer would say to defend what he knows is wrong....oh wait!!

Unless the economy improves drastically, it doesn't look good for the guy in charge.

Except that in this case Obama has the undiluted backing and power of the national media (minus fox) managing the perception of events tirelessly on his behalf. They will do their manipulative damndest to keep him in office which can't be underestimated.

Every one of these third world conflicts starts out with "no boots on the ground" then mission creep sets in. First we suply weapons and logistical support, then one day we send in advisors, then troops, then we start having a body count and a decade later we realize it was a huge mistake to ever get involved in this God forsaken hell hole in the first place. The logic is always the same too, we can't just stand by and let some brutal dictator commit atrocities. But most of the other countries do stand by and watch us bear the brunt of the costs and human life carnage. Why can't Europe and the neighboring countries be the first to become indignant and take care of it? France, Germany and many others are big enough and strong enough to take out Assad.

Shhhh, Syria doesn't know yet.

Make sure Putin isn't reading this....

"I did not let that woman, Monica Lewinsky, have sex with my penis"

-Bill Clinton

I believe bill was trying to determine the meaning of the word "is".

So this makes three countries he has gotten us into war with and helped the Muslim Brotherhood in taking

over each one.. Looks like he is setting the M.B. up into taking over the world..The U.S. will be next...Look

around, starting to look like it more each day...He is not following the Constitution, he does not get the

approval of Congress. He is acting as though he is dictator.. Time to throw him out.

Quit blaming McCain, he is not the President.. Everyone is entitled to an opinion...But bo does what he wants.

Except Afghanistan wasn't a secret. We starting bombing the crap out of them. Unfortunately, we stayed once the boots hit the ground.

Ask McCain and Republican senators for that, they are the one that demand this for months.

Oh I am sorry, but you like to blame Obama for everything since 4 years ago.

Well if you had actually read the article, it says 1: He established this policy earlier this year. That could mean it was started January 1st, 2012, or it could mean it was signed July 31st, 2012. It doesn't say. That's secret number one. 2: The article also states that (And I'm paraphrasing here, was too lazy to go back and find it again) the extent to which the CIA and other clandestine organizations will operate is UNKNOWN. Pretty good job keeping that information secret, wouldn't you say? Any idiot could've (And should have) seen this coming. If you didn't think that Obama was offering support to the rebels in a secretive fashion... Well... I don't know WHAT prevented you from thinking that. All I know is, I've been thinking that he has for awhile. This isn't news to me. Apparently, it is to a lot of people.

CuongDNguyen - welcome to the USA; glad to read your input.

Vietnam Vet 5th Special Forces, B-36 Long Hai, Trang Sup

No need for secrecy if McCain was president, we'd be in Egypt, Libya, Iran and now Syria. Probably had the draft reinstated by now and all the National Guardsmen deployed and we'd be spending Billions again rebuilding what we tore up during the "war". Obama's way is much better. As for secret, anybody check to see if the Boehner has been tweeting or facebooking, his only agenda is to see Obama out of there and by any means, and that's according to him.

ROMNEY 2012

Just because McCain would be even worse (in terms of international military interventions/adventures, doesn't mean that Obama/Hillary aren't bad enough.

No need for secrecy if McCain was president, we'd be in Egypt, Libya, Iran and now Syria. Probably had the draft reinstated by now and all the National Guardsmen deployed and we'd be spending Billions again rebuilding what we tore up during the "war". Obama's way is much better.

And if a frog had wings it wouldn't bump it's ass every time it jumped. A whole lot's of "if s" and "probably s" there trying to polish a turd. Obama has once again shown what he thinks of his vassal's (we the people) opinions. The messiah is going to do what he wants even if it kills us. Blame anybody but Obama for Obama's actions, been that way since day one. Who do you think "leaked" this information? I'll tell you, Obama's press corps.

cuong,

"Oh I am sorry, but you like to blame Obama for everything since 4 years ago."

Well look at it this way: every president gets a honeymoon for around 100 days. After that it's HIS policies and decisions that are in effect. Your boy has not taken any responsibility for his actions or decisions for at least three and one half YEARS. Get the logic of that?

Obama must have realized that when the troops from Iraq and Afghansistan start coming home in numbers they won't find jobs of course and will only add to the bad unemployment numbers. The solution? Obvious, find some new venues for conflict in the middle east so our troops can stay employed until after the election.

I think we are just enjoying all of the moronic statements coming from "y'all"! What's wrong, did y'all get kicked out of Fuxed Up News?

Obama/Biden 2012

4more4 44!

I'm too busy laughing at all the idiotic things that are being spewed from the right, but thanks for thinking of us...

We know you're crying Ray, you're not fooling anyone. Another major fk up by Obama and his administration.

Jon, scroll up.... You were one of the idiotic posters I was referring....

Lenin referred to people who supported the 'revolution' as the 'useful idiots.' They were the first to be shot after the revolution, they had served their purpose and were making demands, silly idiots actually believed the revolution was about ideals rather than a power grab. Those selfsame idiots truly believed that their 'dear leaders' cared about them.

Yesterday the old lady receptionist at my job walked up to me complaining, saying how dare Obama thank the Olympians for doing a great job, when he said other people in the country had to fend for themselves.

I just looked at her like she was retarded.

alaskagirl,

"Fuxed Up News"?! Good mature level you're playing on.

But one little thing bothers me about your "god-like president" and that is why does your "leader" not allow FOX News in presidential press conferences? Why does he feel that he can't deal with a news agency (no matter who that agency is) that just does not see things his way? Perhaps he is just a little immature and can't take someone disagreeing with him? Or perhaps he just can't think on his feet even though all questions are submitted in advance.

Never heard of ANY president denying a news agency access until obama. Something wrong with that picture?

Well, isn't that interesting? I found that currently Mr. Ed Henry and Mr. Wendell Goler, both of Fox News are daily correspondents of the White House press conferences. What else you got? Maybe you can answer the "one little thing that bothers me" about Mr. Romney. Why is it that during his recent trip abroad to flex his international muscles he only took three questions from the press during his entire 7 day trip? Three questions. Why is it that your candidate is so afraid of talking to the press? Is it because he doesn't have a cheat sheet with him so that he can answer questions? Are his handlers advising him against it because they are afraid he will once again put his foot in his mouth? President Obama has proven many times that he is able to answer questions on the fly and his answers are always coherent, make sense, and sound intelligent. Your candidate? He always sounds condescending......when he rarely does speak on the fly, and even then his handlers have to pop a bottle of ibuprofen to disentangle his cluster phucked statements.

Let's see, help the rebels defeat a tyrant, or wait a few years and come in with massive military hardware to protect Israel later....

The only reason peace exists is because of war. Ask the Germans and Japanese....

The Repubs just don't get it, do they?

No, we'll never understand how you liberals reversed intelligence in your genes in such a rapid manner. You'll all be Charly, if not already, very soon.

Another meaningless post eh Jon? Name calling and labeling everyone as you see fit... yet no substance to your words... amazing...

try being conservative with your spew please...

Ray

So you support the Afghan and Iraqi Wars?? After all didn't you say----

The only reason peace exists is because of war.

ROMNEY 2012

Hey Alaska Girl

The is one democrat that does "get it"...will be voting a straight republican ticket in Nov. Have a nice day.

Ray in Jax

Another meaningless post eh Jon? Name calling and labeling everyone as you see fit... yet no substance to your words... amazing...

try being conservative with your spew please...

Hey Ray, you want to see a meaningless post? See below.

AlaskaGirl-759554

The Repubs just don't get it, do they?

ray,

"The Repubs just don't get it, do they?" Another meaningless post by alaskagirl WITH name calling by your own. Get it?

Since the Russians send helicopters, we need to send "stingers" to shoot them down.

They don't have oil, no menace to Israel or Saudi Arabia, USA want Siria because the next target is IRAN, if Soviet aor chinese don't stop this can be just a litle more time, the mercenaries come in close...

I agree, but the GOP is Worst, just look at "W's" two unfunded wars he dumped on a incoming President and he did a good job bankrupting America !!!!!

Spending not as much as handing it over to the 1% - BTW: where are Romeny's tax returns? Did he pay any taxes or donate it to the Mormon church? If you want secrecy, you'll get it with Romney and you'll never know how much of your tax money he'll transfer to a Swiss bank account.

They are all the same. Whoever get's elected, that President will surely help another country by way of giving financial aid. So pathethic, we borrow money to fund the government spending and yet we give it away.

The federal extended benefits offering extra 20 weeks to long term unemployed ended in many states because of some criteria that is not clearly defined where they based the numbers from. That is about $12,000 for 20 weeks that will be spent in the United States Economy. Why are we giving $70M to Israel when Mr. Romney just said they have progressive economy to be admired. Give that $70M to the american people who are long term unemployed Mr. President.

Sad, isn't it ? Just walk the streets of Boston one night and you will see so many on the sidewalks huddled with blankets and a bag of their world beside them.

ROMNEY 2012

Sharriannie, I'm with you...I have had way too much of this tyrant in the W.H.

ROMNEY 2012

Dumney will surely flop by the time the elections come. He suffers from Palin syndrome. Thinks he has something bright to say but its really idiotic.

Obama suffers from "Delusions of Adequacy" ... he thinks he knows what he is doing but his actions speak otherwise.

Delusions of Adequacy is similar to Delusions of Grandeur ... but on a much, much, much lowere level !

Actually Bush planned this before he left the White House, Obama is just carrying it out. ;)

I wonder how they will try to blame this on Bush?

Bush? Who's that? Was he a President or something, at one time??? That name is familiar but...no one seems to want to say his it out loud anymore. He and his VP were told NOT TO attend the convention; "stay away....FAR AWAY, please".

Hey wasn't he the one that, like quitter Palin, stopped working in the middle of his term?

Beats the hell out of Obama who never started.

When this idiot in DC is finished, you will all wish you had Bush back.

If Bush wasn't so busy trying to sneak in WMD's to Iraq through Syria, this would never have happened.

Yet another example of why President Obama deserved the Nobel Peace Prize ......

Were you sleeping when the UN drafted a peace plan that both sides agreed to?

You acknowledge that Russia is arming Syria, yet we are to do nothing?

Did we secure America and found the nation on peace and diplomacy?

Obama is not escalating the conflict, Assad did that when he ordered his troops to fire on peaceful protesters.

You acknowledge that Russia is arming Syria, yet we are to do nothing?

Russia has been selling arms to Syria for decades, just like we have been selling arms to dozens of countries for decades. So now that's an excuse for us to go to war in Syria over? Pretty lame, Ray.

Bottom line Assad needs to go like the rest of tyranical leaders in the middle-east.

Storm, it might be true this tyrant needs to go.. But barry is setting these countries up with the Muslim brotherhood.. What do you think about that? Watch, we will be next.. This has been his plan all along.

Wake up fools.

Ray, just out of curiosity.. are you footing the bill personally for this adventure? Just how peaceful is a protester that is carrying an AK47? If you really feel help is needed ..please be on your way. As for selfish comments.. we don't have the luxury of that..its called survival to a lot of people here. People do and say desperate things when your own survival is at stake. Who are you to judge anyone?

Do we even know who the rebels are??

Pretty much, the combat troops at least are Muslim Brotherhood types at best, and al-Qaida emulators at worst. Either way, worse than what's in charge there now. But who cares! It's DEMOCRACY and we're gonna bestow it upon them (BY FORCE) whether they like it or not!! That's the new American way; re-shaping the world in our own image.

that really isn't America's image, that is the politican and power broker's image. War is good business.

Yeah, main point being that whatever our leadership *thinks* they are trying to accomplish with these interventions in the M.E. is badly backfiring and will continue to backfire for years to come.

Adam44

Yeah, main point being that whatever our leadership *thinks* they are trying to accomplish with these interventions in the M.E. is badly backfiring and will continue to backfire for years to come.

yea adam, our so called leaders, cant remember history, sooooooooooo were gonna be going back over it time after time. Thomas Jefferson said we were gonna need a revolution every 20 years to maintain democracy in the U.S.. Since the elected puppets are only egotistical messengers from the powers that are, the power simply isnt in the hands of the American people anymore. Bush was never any president of mine, i wont give the little turd that much credit, and Obama is running a close second.

Hey, Eddie, do your homework...the person who outted Valerie Plame was Richard Armitage and he wasn't prosecuted because he broke NO LAW! She was not a covert agent, the law applies only to covert agents. Scooter Libby was convicted of obstruction of justice and perjury because his testimony to the grand jury was contradictory! So take your liberal talking points and go back to your parents' basement!!!!

Ah, go easy on Eddie, he's attempting to deflect blame from Obama...again. Next it will be some racist who forced Obama to fund Al Quaeda.

Hey my girl, sling much mud?

Twice as many Al Qaeda leaders have been taken out under Obama than Bush. Obama got Bin Laden as well.

Suggesting he would fund Al Qaeda is the epitome of stupid....

Obama was sitting at a table with Hillary when OBL was shot. So, he did what?

None of the Obama supporters seemed to remember his election platform. " Bring the troops home from Iraq" Right. So he can deploy them eleswhere. Which he is doing. Now everyone remembers, also, Obama celebrated the fact that America needed "Change" What he didn't know was the change would be a very big one. One that would come after his first term in office. Obama being voted out of office. Here we have a Junior Senator, make a military move when he has never served in the military. That would be like having a portable toilet cleaner trying to sell ice cream one the same day shift.

I think he was having coffee while others did his work, remember he was killing a friend

None of the Obama supporters seemed to remember his election platform. " Bring the troops home from Iraq" Right.

It's called selective memory.

Ray: Well, so it doesn't count as funding to arm them? Who were those Libyan rebels again? Guess you missed all the Al Quaeda flags flying there and now in Syria. Obama is getting rid of the 'leaders' or at least we are told that. Interesting how he 'outed' Seal Team Six. How many were killed? Then he 'outs' the Pakistani doctor, the one who helped locate bin Laden, the man now serving 33 years in prison. Also interesting how bin Laden was buried soooo quickly at sea. Body wasn't cold and splash, into the ocean he goes.

But hey, who am I to 'sling mud' when it's right out there if you have enough sense to pay attention. The problem with hero worship or the cult of personality is that the leader of the cult is allowed to get away with murder and the cult followers will rationalize his doing so. Were Bush the man pulling the crap, you'd be screaming your head off, with Obama pulling the crap, you defend him and make excuses for the inexcusable.

hey Ray in Jax,

Obama didnt kill anyone, we were already there killing people under bush. Our soldiers, God bless em, are the ones that killed the bad guys. The only thing Obama did that was positive, was appear on the Stephen Colbert Show. That was entertaining. Other than that,................................zip