J.P.

You are a horrible person. May God have mercy on your soul, or lack thereof!

No reply needed, I have placed you on ignore, life is too short for disgusting people like you.

J.P

I was not taught "revisionist history" in school and later in college. The truth came out and then you go and tell me ONE judge from Isreal stated their were treaacherous co-perpetrators of the Holocaust. WOW - I didn't realize that he was the end all to all the facts in Germany. So when a judge here in the states give an extract to a judgement, He is always correct. In other words, you are basing your facts on a judge from Isreal that tried to state that all the people that died in concentration camps were co-perpetrators of the Holocaust and what we saw, read, learned and documented is all a lie? Even the survivors with the cattle brand on thier wrist? I don't think so and neither should you.

It happened, It's not "a myth," and has been proven. No matter what some "judge" had to say about it! Was this Judge in Germany at the time...was he in one of the prisons? (he doesn't have a clue)! And for the record, the Jews were asked in the beginning to leave Germany, many decided to stay because it was their home and they were Germans. I guess you would leave your home and family and just pick-up if your government asked you too, right?

J.P

Sorry - my head can't be stuck in the sand...I don't live in the desert. However, it sound like you do and that is where your head might be along with the Iranian President.

LOL - Of course they know this happened. They are not ignorant. Hamas rejects Israel's existence and therefore must also reject the occurrence of the Holocaust. It's that simple.

Now is the time for the Muslims to give back all the countries they occupied in the 7th and 8th centuries.

Read the headline. A 'False (Zionist) alleged tragedy' would be a true tragedy, wouldn't it?

JP, you placed a lot of lies within the truth.

@JP, you are Hamas or Neo-Nazi, Which?

no jp you are a slave to hate

Hitler was an Idiot, if he only would of chosen the proper group of people back in the day..

Who would "the proper group of people be"? This should be interesting.

JP,

Do you deny the Holocaust? Or is it you believe the Holocaust happened but Jews helped Germans commit the crimes?

What I would point out to you that even if I believed everything that is said by the links you give it is not a very good case of Zionist "revisionist history". Your own links tell how Germans looking to avoid uprisings lied to Jewish leaders about what was going on with hopes that those lie where then spread. There are some questions of bribery in and deals made where a few individuals were allowed to save some Jews at the cost of others, but the assumption is that somehow by taking this deal (don't know for sure if it really happened) actually doomed other Jews. Germans were killing Jews and tried many different tactics, we don't know if by accepting any deal made any difference. Some Jewish leader accepts a deal to save 600 Jews in exchange for not fighting, had he not accepted the deal he, the 600 Jews he choose, and everyone else might have all been killed anyway so why not try to save at least some? Assuming what you say is true it only happened in a few places by your own numbers it was "hundreds of thousands" when millions were murdered.

Again I don't think anyone knows the true circumstances, if some Jewish leaders fell victim to German lies shouldn't distract from the horrors that was the Holocaust.

Do you deny millions of Jews were murdered?

Do you deny German Nazi's perpetrated these murders using gas chambers, firing squads, and other horrible methods?

Do you deny the Jews like many European citizens were not allowed to own firearms, and were defenseless against any army?

Do you deny that Hamas if given the chance would themselves commit Genocide against the Jews?

So let me understand this. the life of a Jew has value but a Palestinian life has no value? Isreal treats palestinians the way hitler treated them, If you had any clue as to the countless murders of Palestinians. And no, im not an ANTI-Semite. I morn the death of both. How can one group demand freedom while taking it from another?

J.P. - get over it. The Germans have released the records to show that every single iota of it is 100% true. Just because you hate Jews doesn't mean it didn't happen.

So let me understand this. the life of a Jew has value but a Palestinian life has no value? Isreal treats palestinians the way hitler treated them, If you had any clue as to the countless murders of Palestinians. And no, im not an ANTI-Semite. I morn the death of both. How can one group demand freedom while taking it from another?

Your comparison is both ridiculous and tragic.

Isn't Israel doing to Palestinians what the Germans did do the Jews - Another "Holocaust"?

One of the most diabolical claims of anti-Zionists is that Israelis are like Nazis, and are perpetrating a Holocaust on the Palestinians. In the Holocaust, the Nazis systematically murdered 6 million people. Israelis are not putting Palestinians in gas chambers or ghettos or starving them to death. Israel is fighting a war, against a vicious and implacable enemy. Nonetheless, Israel electric company supplies electricity to Gaza, and Israeli hospitals treat Palestinian patients.

The Jews of Europe were innocent citizens who were selected by the Nazis for extermination solely because of their religion. Israel has instituted security measures that are cause hardships for the Palestinians and are sometimes harsh. Occasional excesses, committed by Jewish and Muslim and Druze IDF soldiers alike are not the result of evil conspiracies or racist ideology, but errors of individuals that are the sad and inevitable result of a war that has been forced on Israel.

Anti-Zionists have repeatedly claimed that Israel is perpetrating genocide and ethnic cleansing against the Palestinian Arabs. However, there are more Arabs living between the river Jordan and the Mediterranean than have ever lived there before in the entire history of the land!

“In Heaven, Allah is our master. On Earth is Adolf Hitler.”

During WW2 Arabs and Muslims throughout the world called for the extermination of Jews on radio broadcasts and in newspapers.

" Isreal treats palestinians the way hitler treated them, If you had any clue as to the countless murders of Palestinians"

If Israel treated Palestinians the way Hitler treated them there would be no more Paleatinians, yet somehow their numbers have managed to grow substantially over the past decades. Think before you make comments.

And how I wish it didn't. The holocaust created by the third reich was a systematic excecution which began with rifles and unmarked graves filled with dead and wounded. It ended with the forced marches as the allies approached the camps...It began with a misbegotten idea that ther was something inherently evil about the Jewish people. That idea took root and spread like wildfire all over Europe AND the US. Laws were adopted that excluded Jews from political discourse, allowed the confiscation of Jewish owned business and property and essentially trapped an entire group of people. The Jewish people had NOWHERE to go. I can not imagine how anyone survived save, the mercy of others, and incredible resourcefulness/ courage. RIP. NEVER FORGET. Anyone who opposed these policies or were caught harboring Jews met the same fate as their houseguests. Untold numbers of people died at the hands of the nazis. If someone from Hamas is placing flowers at Auchwitz, BLESS HIM. It is no wonder the haters are angry. Men and women of peace are always the target of maniacs like amadinijad....

george pauljohn

So let me understand this. the life of a Jew has value but a Palestinian life has no value? Isreal treats palestinians the way hitler treated them, If you had any clue as to the countless murders of Palestinians. And no, im not an ANTI-Semite. I morn the death of both. How can one group demand freedom while taking it from another?

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The Palestinians could resolve this very easily. All they have to do is recognize Israel's right to exist and denouce terrorist attacks.

Logic you said "Israelis are not putting Palestinians in gas chambers or ghettos or starving them to death." You are sadly mistaken. Not gas chambers - no...ghettos - absolutely! Starving them - absolutely!

And I must say..JP NEVER said he (or she) believed the Holocaust never happened.

JP is not along in the Anti-Semite crusade. It is a big conspiracy all over the world . It is a shame because here in the USA we have , Noam Chomsky a MIT Boston professor the Godfather of the anti-Semitism. Member of a radical lefties Zionist group "Hebrew for torch. "

Chomsky’s systematic role in promoting hatred of Israel has impacted many others. When analyzing academic discrimination of Israel, one finds direct or indirect indications of this in many places.

The academic fields where one can expect most systematic bias against Israel is Middle Eastern/Arab studies. These are disciplines with many Arab faculty. Yet, when trying to analyze the strategic characteristics of the academic boycott of Israel, it seems also linguists are disproportionately represented among Israel’s adversaries. One might call this the Chomsky effect."

In a 1993 essay, sociologist Werner Cohn described several of Chomsky’s connections with neo-Nazis:

...despite his strident left-wing politics, his bitter anti-Israel activism, his disreputable scholarship on matters political – Chomsky’s prestige in wide circles of educated America remains high. Whether that prestige will survive wider knowledge of his neo-Nazi connections remains to be seen.

It is a shame that we are sending our kids to well recognized Universities to be brainwashed for this kind of Professors, thinking they are going to get better education.

http://www.acpr.org.il/ENGLISH-NATIV/08-issue/gerstenfeld-8.htm

Jewish suffering is just as real as the Palestinian suffering. Conflicts happen when people start de-humanizing others.

Ignorant people are always trying to rewrite history. Much like the conservatives declaring of Obama's first presidency a failure.

Unsurprising that JP made a comment about "pulling the bedsheet over your head", which I am sure is typical for the Friday night cross burning he and his friends are love.

"The Hamas Islamist group in charge of the Gaza Strip on Wednesday denounced a Palestinian official's visit to the site of a Nazi death camp in Poland, and called the Holocaust in which 6 million European Jews perished an "alleged tragedy."

And yet, publicly noting the obvious cultural problems Palestine possesses is painted as racist, or elitist, by the left. Here we have an example of Hamas in the Gaza Strip proving Romney's point. It is about time someone in a leadership role in the USA (or anywhere in the world, for that matter) started calling it like it is.

Kudos, however, to the religious affairs advisor from Palestine, who obviously has a more sane/less hateful view of things than the Hamas government in the Gaza Strip.

How about placing flowers throughout the Middle East in memorial for the millions of Jews who have been slaughtered and had their property stolen by Arabs and Muslims; starting from the time of the Medina Jewish Extermination of 627 by the prophet Muhammad.

Wow ! The emotions on this subject are palpable. JP whoever you are, take the tin foil off your head, put your meth pipe down, back away from the computer step outside your trailer get some fresh air. Perhaps it would be better for you to focus your energy on Darfur and Somolia where genocide is presently occouring. I concede that there were the Jewish Police forces in the Ghettos and the Kapos in the camp who assisted the Nazis in exchange for better conditions and a promise of life. However they were trying to save their own sorry butts while others turned these "jobs" down. The question becomes were you faced with the same circumstances, what would you do ? I believe we all know what you would do.

Denying the holocaust has nothing to do with education, it instead has everything to do with pure hatred and a lack of ability to compromise with other nations. This is the sole reason why Hamas and the Palestinians are stuck in the dark ages, their hatred keeps them there.

The genocide in Darfur and Somalia are horrible. The U.S. cannot now, with two wars already ongoing and a possible war in Iran coming, get involved. Israel - the only democracy in the middle east, ought to get involved.After all, a nation comprised of people who had genocide committed against them should not have to be asked to help stave off another people's genocide. they ought to be there as we speak.

Just one point I keep see go missing, they killed 12 million. Half were jews. The other half were gays, gypsies, political prisoners and many more of what they thought of as undesirable.

Let´s get back to the issue at hand. Hamas is a continuation of nazi Germany.After the war many nazis went to the mideast .The Mufti of Jerusalem sat at the feet of Hitler and imbibed the pyscho rant of the perverted Adolph.Thee ideas were carried back to most Arab countries.Then they combined with Islamic terrorism and jihad plus their own brand of anti Jewish, anti Christian, kill the infidel and nonjihad Muslims.This Palestinian stepped out of the script.He better have very good bodyguards or his throat will be slashed just like the hundreds of thousands.. millions? of people who defy the party line of hamas,hezbollah.talebans,Iran and other mass murdering pyschos who kill in the name of Mohammed the Koran and Allah.This Palestinian Muslim has a fatwa on him now. Like Salmon Rusdie,Ali Hirsch,the Egyptian novelist who won the Noble prize ( his exact name escapes me) and so many other Muslims who do something to offend the jihad terrorists..Let´s hope that like the nazis all the Isalmic terrorists groups along with their sugar Iran bite the dust soon. And let´s hope that the forces that defeat them will be a large multi national coalition including Muslim and Arab countries ..Let us hope..!

You have to ignore posters like JP and idiot philosophies like Hamas. All I have to say is that if you don't believe there was a Holocaust, you don't live in the world that exists.

I would think that some Jews helped the Germans, though probably to give themselves and family a better chance at surviving, or at least some degree of a slightly better life, while everything around them falls appart. Probably not the right thing to do, rook over your neighbor in order to save yourself, but given what was going on at the time, you can't 100 percent condem them. I don't see why someone pointing this out would be a hater, it's happened throughout history. You get promised a better deal if you turn people in your own group and do it in spite of knowing what it means to the people you hand over.

Of course it happened. It's human nature. Others went out of their way to help people hide, and were killed for it. WWII was a very sad time for Humanity.

The Holocaust was a very horrific time in the world's history. What the Nazi's did was just plain wrong, but I believe the majority of the starvation and systematic killings occurred later in the war when it was much harder for Germany to feed its slaves and war prisoners with all of "our " Allied bombing going on. Ultimately Germany is at fault for all of those needless and horrible deaths. But we'd be foolish to think that our Air Forces at that time hadn't played a role. Sometimes its the cost of freedom I guess.

Are the zionists still using the "six million" figure? Official records and almost all nonzionist Jewish and other historians agree that the number of Jews who died in the camps was much, much lower and the causes of death were mostly disease related due to the Allied blockade of any Red Cross humanitarian aid such as food and medicines to the camps which they said would "help the German war effort". Study typhus epidemics in other places and see the stunning mortality they wreak. There is also the complete lack of reliable physical evidence other than the unautopsied dead bodies seen in propaganda photographs. The skeleton-like Jewish prisoners were no thinner than all the other prisoners in these camps who outnumbered the Jewish prisoners and died as easily. Had America run out of food and medicine, the same thing would have happened to all of the Japanese-Americans in our own concentration camps in the deserts of the West. And at exactly the same time as Dr Mengele was supposedly experimenting on Jews, the American Public Health Service was infecting healthy unknowing Central and South Americans with syphilis and other STDs to study the effects of these terrible diseases. Also the Tuskegee syphilis studies that withheld cures from many black people so that the terminal effects of syphilis infection could be studied were underway. The entire story is based on nothing but coached testimony at Nuremberg and elsewhere. One of the greatest reasons that Jews remained incarcerated was the absolute refusal of the American zionists to provide ransom money (~$50 a head) and the theft of the Jewish-German's money by the German zionists who fully cooperated with the Nazis. Now, before you injure your knee as it automatically jerks upwards, first go to Google and type in a famous zionist quotation from one of their leaders of the time: "One cow in Palestine is worth all of the Jews in Poland" Izaak Greenbaum -- head of Jewish Agency Rescue Committee, February 18, 1943.

You can stop there and live in your current propagandized delusion or you can educate yourself and begin to see the lies that surround your perception on all sides. Be strong enough to accept that EVEN YOU can be fooled by clever propaganda which, really, just makes you as human as anyone else. Study history because it is how you came to be here.

Bjorson.. I had an uncle who was a court reporter at Nuremburg .He saw the death camps first hand as did millions of U.S ,Russian, English and French troops.You talk like a nazi who studied at the BIG LIE school. i. e thr bigger the lie the better chance of getting a few people to believe in it.Go to Germany and say what you say here.They know what thtr pervert and pyscho did to their country .If you are lucky youwill only get put in prison for a very long time for denying or reducing the mass murder that Hitler did in Germany.If your luck isn´t so good you will be thrown in the nearest river.to save a trial.The current German government doesn´tdfo anything to help nazis that are drowned in the nearest river.Actually they support it as one less nazi.Try it out . Bye bye holocaust denier.!!

If we are going to be discussing the Holocaust then I think we should show a bit more respect, after all whilst the exact figure of people killed is unknown, we do know that it wasn’t just Jews that were killed, after all its victims included Russians (who lost an estimated 8th of their entire population to the Nazis), Poles, Lithuanians, Ukrainians, Gay’s, Norwegians, and many others, yet we as a society focus almost exclusively on just the Jews that were killed, which I find dis-respectful.

Some scholars maintain that the definition of the Holocaust should also include the Nazis' genocide of millions of people in other groups, including Romani, leftists, Soviet prisoners of war, Polish and Soviet civilians, homosexuals, people with disabilities, Jehovah's Witnesses and other political and religious opponents, which occurred regardless of whether they were of German or non-German ethnic origin. This was the most common definition from the end of WWII to the 1960s. Using this definition, the total number of Holocaust victims is between 11 million and 17 million people.

Jews 5.9 million
Soviet POWs 2–3 million
Ethnic Poles 1.8–2 million
Romani 220,000–1,500,000
Disabled 200,000–250,000
Freemasons 80,000
Slovenes 20,000–25,000
Homosexuals 5,000–15,000
Jehovah's
Witnesses 2,500–5,000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust

Dennis-816242

“definition of the Holocaust should also include the Nazis' genocide of millions of people in other groups, including Romani, leftists, Soviet prisoners of war, Polish and Soviet civilians, homosexuals, people with disabilities, Jehovah's Witnesses and other political and religious opponents, which occurred regardless of whether they were of German or non-German ethnic origin.”

This is the definition I use, as like I said I think it is just dis-respectful to all those who did die to focus almost exclusively on one group.

The reason I decided to join this discussion is that I am horrified that there are people out there that actually believe the Holocaust was a myth?? If I were to believe those people, then I would be completely disrespecting not only my family but also the other groups of people who were tortured & murdered. My grandfather was the only survivor of the Holocaust & because of an arranged marriage w/my grandmother, he saved her as well. The only things we have of my grandfathers family in remembrance are deportation certificates (ghettos & concentration camps) which I printed off from the Holocaust museum in D.C. I finally got to meet some of my grandmothers siblings when I was around 9 & that was the first time my grandmother was reunited w/them since she married my grandfather & fled to the U.S. from Germany. I still remember that reunion & seeing their numeral tattoos. My grandmother also had friends that were from Czech that were Jehovahs witnesses that fled to the U.S. after seeing her father murdered (in front of his own children)-because he would not give up on what he believed in. So, as a decendant of Holocaust survivors & being Ashkenazi Jew-I KNOW the Holocaust happened! I don't know whether to feel anger or sympathy for the people that think it was a myth. Are they that blind? And by the way to the official that wanted to pay their respects-it is considered disrespectful to put flowers at a burial or death site. Most Jewish funerals they have stones and/or rocks & they are usually not cremated or buried in the ground.

In these discussions of the victims of the Holocaust and who they were and how many there were, one group has been left out, except for a few indirect mentioning of them. I am referring to those, who, though otherwise were not at risk, themselves, nevertheless, risked their own lives to save the Jews and others who were rounded up and arrested, willy nilly. Some got away with it, some, THEMSELVES, paid the ultimate price.

Yeah, the Holocaust doesn't cound soldiers fightingthe war, just those innocent civilians they packed into cages and killed. Soldiers killing enemy Soldiers during combat is socially acceptable.

Hey Billy from or.

So Hitler didn't kill 6 million. So that means killing men, women, and children is okay if the number is more manageable, say, maybe only 2.5 million dead, maybe up to 4.5 killed. Good to know. I don't know, but I like Bob Dylan's lyric: "how many deaths does it take till he to knows that too many people have died". Hitler was a raving mad man that caused the death or contributed to the death of between 40 to 50 million men, women and children, in Europe, for people like you 6 million dead Jews compared to 50 million may not seem like much, but to many people it's extremely inexcusable dark tragedy.

J.P, I don't know which I find more pathetic, your comment or that 9 other pathetic souls voted it up.

They say it because they are angry.

Wipe Iran and all countries that harbor terrorists off the face of the earth. I can play games too.

The muslims believe a lot of lies. They are taught that the lies are the truth. Its has happened before in many nations. Eventually they wake up. The muslims have not.

One of the reasons the muslims did not get Israel was they backed the nazis, so they lost, although they kept a lot of the hate the nazis taught. Check out their soldiers, they goosestep.

And not to get into a religious controversy. the koran was writting in the 8th century or their abouts. In it it states that Abraham took Ishmael to the mountain to sacrifice. In the bible and torah it states Abraham took Issac to the mountain to sacrifice. the muslims believe that since the torah the direct word of allah, therefore the land of Israel is theirs.

The koran also lists Christ as a prophet only. Not the Savior written in the Bible. Whatever your opinion the muslims have a differant writting that they go by.

As far as Israel vs the palestinians. Israel is a country in its own right, and it takes care of itself. They could lose the 2.5 billion the US gives them a year and really not notice. But since the US gives the money, they adhere to US policy.

So the the PLO was given the Gaza Strip. Shortly thereafter Hamas overran the PLO and ran the PLO out. So the Gaza Strip is now run by Hamas. And mostly its a world welfare organization. The gaza is Palestinian run and still cant take care of itself.

I believe that if Gaza would turn into a productive area, then they might be taken more seriously. The Jews grew massive amounts of crops in the Gaza Strip, they called it Gush Katif. After the Jews were removed, apparently all the gaza residents can grow is goats. they cant support themselves.

In Israel medical treatment is free. For all. Arabs and Jews. Arabs can own land and own businesses. Arabs are in the Israeli Knesset.

How many Jews are in the Government in Gaza Strip. 0. Groups that that the PLO and Hamas claim are not associated with them, have fired thousands of rockets into Israel. Every week this goes on. Now Israel did send their army into Gaza, with the hopes that the rockets would stop. They have not. So How many times have the Israelis fired rockets into Gaza. 0. Arabs go into Israeli areas and kill entire families down to one year old children. cut their throats. look up the fogel family if you dont beleive me. How many Jews do this. 0.

The Palestinians if they would wake up and move into the 20th century might actually be able to have a country. They already have land and what are they? Welfare state.

The Arab world was not only complicit but active participants. That is one reason why they seek to deny.

And they would have done the same to Hitler. Muslims and Nazis were/are pretty similar in their Jew hating. Hitler and the Muslim Brotherhood were big buddies, at least on the surface. Neither can give a rational reason why they hate Jews. But, like most disingenuous, ignorant people, they like Jewish medicine and science that make their world better and healthier while hating for reasons they can't even elucidate.

Pray,

These are dangerous maniacs. The Jews of Europe were the cultural and economic backbone of the continent. Jealous haters and ignorant idiots who seek to destabilize the world always espouse these corrosive ideas... It is up to us, the educated, compassionate and healthy people to oppose them at every turn. Ideas, like all other living things, multiply after themselves. The more healthy ideas we can propigate, the less power madmen will have over our future...

I live in the Middle East and teach in an Arab school, and whenever a student is ignorant enough to say anything remotely nice about Mr. Hitler, I remind them of where he placed the Arabs in his grand racial scheme as well (that is to say, they were equivalent to Jews, since they were both considered Semites and therefore subhuman).

But those who believe Israel was created because of the Holocaust are just as wrong as those who believe the Holocaust did not happen. Zionism began in the 1890s and had taken root in Palestine long before Hitler came to power - read the Balfour Declaration under any doubt. The Holocaust is a side conversation, pointless to the real problem at hand - Israeli military occupation, Palestinian radicalism, and a belief among too many on both sides that violence can be a solution.

Zionism was the spark, the Holocaust added a large amount of fuel to the flames. The European Jews who helped to create Isreal were wounded by the war. They see every attempt to fight against them as a new Holocaust in the making. This is why fighting will never work against them. They go a little mad, and slaughter like crazy until there is no longer the perception of a threat.

If you want a Palestinain State, stop demanding it. Stop fighting for it. Start demanding your full incorporation into Isreal, and demand your right to vote. Palestine will then be created and recognized very quickly.

AMEN. Kudos to the Palestinian Authority....

the shame is he is a marked man now, just like Sadat. President Sadat knew when he went to Jerusalem that he was a marked man.

I still remember he and Mrs. Meir embracing, and image that I will never forget

Spoken like a true idiot.

mhender. If you can take a people and say they have no rights as a people, then you are no different then Hitler. ALL people have a right to their identity. This right is taken away by evil people. What goes around , comes around. they open the door for others to suffer. and some day it will be them again unless this world joins together and makes sure everyone has their rights protected.

mhender: The term Peleset (transliterated from hieroglyphs as P-r-s-t) is found in numerous Egyptian documents referring to a neighboring people or land starting from c.1150 BCE during the Twentieth dynasty of Egypt. Between 450 BC and 1948 AD, Palestine was actually a term used to describe the area that was between the Mediterranean Sea and Jordan River as well as other adjoining lands. The region is also known as the Land of Israel (Hebrew: ארץ־ישראל Eretz-Yisra'el), the Holy Land and the Southern Levant, and historically has been known by other names including Canaan, Zion, Syria Palaestina, Southern Syria, Jund Filastin and Outremer.

I think your sixth grade education didn't teach you any more than you think they know...

CT, the point mhender was clumsily trying to make was about the Palestinian nation, not an area of land called Palestine. Egyptian hieroglyphics from 1150 BCE have nothing to do with the discussion mhender raised.

I would have to agree with mhender in so much as the education the Palestinians receive may not include "world history" kinds of things, but more of a "secular and selected" set of "facts". These types of educational "tools" known as propaganda mires a society into ignorance and making them more easy to control. For example, do people remember the Russian Newspaper - PRAVDA - (which translates to THE TRUTH). There were quite a few articles in there that talked about Boy Scouts being indoctrinated Special Forces Units our Government were raising from children age. Where they are taught knife skills, how to kill and live off the land, ect. And within our "heirarcy of future external threats" was a command and control system to include promotions for our Juvie special ops forces. As ridiculous as it is, many believed it during the cold war...

We even see how within the Muslim Culture and the teachings from the Quoran, how those are twisted to extremist views. Very well the same sort of thing is occurring within the education system of the Palestinian Children. What better way to indoctrinate a new generation of hatred, than through a propagationalist education system. In that regard, I would have to agree with mhender.

Keep in mind as well, those countless BILLIONS of dollars we give to Middle Eastern countries like Pakistan, VERY FEW of the general population KNOW or are TOLD the US is who is keeping them afloat. Propaganda is a very sharp tool, that is used quite efficiently even today...

You are an absolute idiot. A history of Palestine with the "creation" of Israel within its borders is detailed in an excellent book by Tom Segev (reporter/journalist with Ha'Aretz in Israel) called "One Palestine, Complete" which outlines that the creation of Israel FROM THE BEGINNING was to have happened WITHIN the borders of Palestine.

I find it ironic that the same people who claim that the creation of Israel was well and good because the United Nations voted on it would not agree with many of the decisions of the United Nations now (and would most definitely virulently oppose the same actions if the UN decided by decree on the creation of a new nation of Palestine WITHIN THE BORDERS OF THE UNITED STATES. What right did the nations of the world have to give away the land of another people (or Lord Balfour, for that matter)? Could it be that we in the US cannot admit that this decision was, at its very heart, wrong, for we would have to admit that our country was created the exact same way?

Here is the text of the Balfour Declaration which makes it absolutely clear that the independent AREA of Israel was to be created WITHIN PALESTINE (much as Native American prison camps -- I mean "reservations" -- exist within the borders of the United States, e.g. self-governing yet subservient):

"His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

Regarding the article above, I applaud the Palestinian Representative for his actions. Yes, it may be a small step towards peace, but don't count on it. Israel continues to come up with preconditions for peace and intentionally stalls so that they can continue to build on disputed lands, thus when SERIOUS peace is broached they will say, "Well, we can't give up this land NOW! Look how many Israelis are living here!"

I kind of agree with you Rob. The Israeli's don't exactly help matters any with all the new settlement that just "spring up". But I think it will take a willingness to co-exist by both sides. The Israeli's understandably don't trust anyone, us included. And quite honestly, you can't blame them. When you have the rhetoric calling for you to be wiped off the face of the earth, and you have Palestinians firing rockets into your country, and you have abductions, and basically what amounts to just about all of your neighbors wanting to see your downfall, it is more than understandable that they are not willing to back down. That would show a weakness, and that weakness could very well be the first domino.

If we look back at the 7 day war that basically created Isreal, the land that was taken from Egypt was given back on the condition Egypt recognized Israel as a nation. And thus they had peace. No such luck with Syria. Everytime there has been a road forward, some extremist has to derail it. So do you honestly believe that Israel will ever know and have peace? Even now they argue over Jerusalem. Both want to claim it. Both say it is important to their religeon. Is it prudent or even possible that they SHARE it?

Peace can be achieved when both parties don't treat each other as "the other spouse" in a nasty divorce. You don't have to split all of the "marital assets" so to speak. Would it be so damned difficult to treat the City of Jerusalem as the "child" in the divorce? Where BOTH PARENTS assume the responsibility for nurturing, caring for, and loving that child. When it comes to children, love is universal. So why can't it be for a city as rich in religeous meaning as that child is to the parents. Are not both religeons taught to love your neighbor. And I am not talking about the radical extremist stuff, but the supposed lessons that are put forth in both the Jewish and Muslim faith. This region has known nothing but war for over 5k years. Maybe they don't know anything other than war, pain, and suffering. Who knows for sure...

My only real question is: Why should we listen to what Hamas has to say about anything? They are a terrorist group whose only goal is to kill others. (Don't believe me? Tell me what else they have done to build up something--other than a destructive agenda.) If someone visits a real concentration camp site that exists(!) in the real world, and then Hamas says it's all a lie--who are you going to believe? A bunch of unorganized terrorists with worn out, old, naysaying rhetoric or an actual, brick and mortar, documented, historical site. C'mon people, this is kindergarten logic. This isn't about politics or land or power; it's about credibility, and Hamas has none.

An inconvenient truth, Al is that you? How many times does America have to correct the past? If I remember correctly of American history about a million people died in the Civil war to free the slaves and correct the past. About 50,000 died in 3 days at Gettysburg to correct the past. This is the greatest country in the history of mankind, not perfect but still the greatest.

Actually the continental USA was previously owned by England (colonies), France (Louisiana Purchase), Spain (Florida), Mexico (Texas and SE), Canada (part of Washington state) and Russia (Alaska). Who stole their land then?

True ! and we also had our own holocaust...we almost eridicated the native American population. We shot ,starved and gave them blankets infected with smallpox. We have no right to be so smug....

Joe Clou <><><> You are right! We have no right to be so smug. However, since when do two wrongs make a right ?????

aren't they the descendants of the Philistines in the bible?

"aren't they the descendants of the Philistines in the bible?"

No, they aren't. Arabs leaving in the Land of Israel (aka Palestine), as all other Arabs, came from Arabian Peninsula. They occupied vast territories, greater than North America nad Europe taken together, and made genocide of numerous nations who lived there before them, including Jews. When Jews tried to return to their own country in the last century, Arabs decided to prevent Jews to return and to murder all Jews. Therefore they participated with Hitler in Holocaust and now are trying to make new genocide of Jews.

Arabs are Nazis of our time!

The term Peleset (transliterated from hieroglyphs as P-r-s-t) is found in numerous Egyptian documents referring to a neighboring people or land starting from c.1150 BCE during the Twentieth dynasty of Egypt. Between 450 BC and 1948 AD, Palestine was actually a term used to describe the area that was between the Mediterranean Sea and Jordan River as well as other adjoining lands. The region is also known as the Land of Israel (Hebrew: ארץ־ישראל Eretz-Yisra'el), the Holy Land and the Southern Levant, and historically has been known by other names including Canaan, Zion, Syria Palaestina, Southern Syria, Jund Filastin and Outremer.

Palestinians have existed for thousands of years...

really Ivan....Palaestine and Jews are cousins.. They are they same... you couldn't tell them apart one from the other. They both must stop.

Corrupt Language Breeds Bad History and Bad
Policy

Bruce Thornton - Advancingafreesociety.org - May 22, 2011

"...the false
history and its false vocabulary are now taken for reality and made the basis
of policy."

As
the

history
of communism and fascism both illustrate, modern political tyranny has relied
on fabricated history to legitimize its claims and actions, and such history in
turn relies on the debasement of language. Nowhere is this axiom more evident
than in the conflict between Israel and the Arabs––so much so that, as Obama’s
recent remarks about Israel show, the false history and its false vocabulary
are now taken for reality and made the basis of policy.

Start
with the use of “borders” to describe what is in fact the armistice line
marking the farthest advance of the five Arab armies that invaded Israel in
1948. That line is not an international “border” in the strict sense of a line
dividing one sovereign state from another. The territory in question was never
a state. Once a state is established, then the international border will be
settled by negotiations. As Israeli ambassador Dore Gold points out, U.N.
resolution 242, as well as later agreements such as the 1993 Oslo Accords,
preserves this “flexibility for creating new borders.”

Then
there’s “occupation,” used to describe the Israeli presence in the West Bank,
itself a misleading term that obscures the historical fact that this region is
Judea and Samaria, the heartland of the ancient Jewish state. Aside from that,
using “occupation” to describe Israel’s control over a disputed territory whose
final status will be determined by negotiation evokes misleading analogies with
historical events like the Nazi occupation of France during World War II, or
the Soviet occupation of the Eastern bloc during the Cold War. But that analogy
is false: Germany and Russia invaded and then occupied sovereign nations
defined by international borders. Israel ended up in the West Bank territories
as the result of a defensive war against aggressors. Israel’s continuing
control is a defensive necessity, just as after World War I the traditional
launching pad for German aggression against France, the Rhineland, was
demilitarized and subject to Allied military control. Indeed, the Allied decision
to evacuate their forces from the Rhineland was one of many mistakes that led
to World War II. Given that central Israel is only 9 miles wide from the
Mediterranean to the West Bank, it is understandable that it is cautious about
losing control over the traditional Arab launching pad for invasion.

“Palestinian
homeland” is another particularly loaded and historically false phrase.
“Palestine” was the name of a multi-ethnic Roman, Byzantine, Arab, and Ottoman
province, not a people. The name itself reflects Rome’s attempt to alter
historical reality with language. After the destruction of Israel as a
political entity and the scattering of its people in the 2nd Century A.D., the
Romans renamed the territory “Palestine” after the Philistines, a people that
once lived in the region but had been absorbed into other groups for centuries.
Thus the Romans subjected the Jews to a collective damnatio memoriae, the
practice of erasing all public mention or record of an enemy to the Roman
state––exactly what the Arabs have been trying to do to Israel for the last 60
years by denying its historical ties to the land.

Likewise,
just as the Romans named the land after a people that no longer existed, so too
calling the current Arab inhabitants “Palestinians” perpetuates a similar
historical fraud. What constitute a people are a shared language, culture,
customs, traditions, and history distinct enough to set them apart from others.
By these criteria, there is no such thing as “Palestinians.” The average Arab
living in Israel or the West Bank is no more significantly distinct from one
living in Syria, Jordan, or Egypt than a resident from California is
significantly distinct from a resident of Arizona or Nevada. Whatever
differences that do exist do not trump the more important similarities, and
reflect rather the refusal of surrounding Arab nations to integrate their Arab
brothers into their own countries, instead constructing a Palestinian identity
based on victimhood, humiliation, and failure.

That’s
why before 1967, no one talked about “Palestinians” as a distinct people
deserving a homeland, and the Jordanians did not create a Palestinian state
when they controlled the West Bank. That notion of a “Palestinian state” arose
after the Arab defeats in the 1967 Six Day War and the 1973 Yom Kippur War.
Once those debacles made it clear the Arabs could not destroy Israel by force,
the tactic shifted to making the issue one of national self-determination as a
way of chipping away at Israel’s territorial integrity and international
support.

Finally,
the claim that the territory inhabited by Israel is the traditional “homeland”
of those whom we call Palestinians is false. The majority of Arabs who have
lived or are living in Israel and the West Bank are there as the descendants of
conquerors, colonizers, and immigrants. Many of them came after Zionists began
in the 19th Century to develop a mostly desolate, neglected land and to create
economic opportunities. History and archaeology tell us that the territory
comprising Israel and the West Bank is the traditional homeland of the Jewish
people, not a mythical Palestinian people.

I wonder what Mohammed would say today if he saw the state of "modern" (yeah, sarcasm) Muslim fanatics... he probably say, "Holy S***, did you guys inbreed and eat lead paint???"

Stop calling them Palestinians? Israel occupied the west bank and gaza strip in 1967. So what about the rest of modern-day israel? That was taken in 1948. Do you actually believe that was uninhabited land? I think you need to get your facts straight.

More likely, Hamas will kill him and try to blame Mossad...

ALL the leaders need to act like decent human beings - on ALL sides.

ALL the leaders need to act like decent human beings - on ALL sides.

Learn your history. The defacto relationship between Arabs and Hitler wasn't out of mutual admiration but a shared goal of getting rid of "those" in their respective "homelands." (Ever heard the saying, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend"?)

Tea Party patriots dont hate minorities, they do hate liars like you !

I would NOT equate the Tea Party with Hamas. However, their are similiarities. Let's go back to the good old days and true American Values (near genocide of the American Indian, slavery, internment of the Japanese during WWII, segregation, and women belong in the home to cook and take care of the kids) INSTEAD of looking to the future, looking for new ideas. Let's live in the glory of the past, and forget about the future. We don't have and new ideas or good ideas, we are just against any you may have. We don't have any proposals, we just are against any you have. We would rather be divisive than inclusive. Sound familiar?

Ah, taking a play from the "dwell in the negative" Obama playbook to deny American exceptionalism... yeah, we've made mistakes.. but over time we try to get better... we're not killing Indians anymore... nobody's owned slaves in a while... even women and non-caucasions get to vote... anyone can sit in the front of the bus... never mind that we have done some pretty remarkable things in the 240 yrs that we've been here... little things like landing humans on the moon and curing polio... and any similarities between Hamas and the Tea Party movement is fabricated in your only tiny little brain....

Fed-Up:

Yep, you are right. Most Americans are exceptionally fat ($147B a year in obesity related health care costs), exceptionally spoiled (think the "entitled generation"), exceptionally arrogant (WE'RE NUMBER ONE!!! But we're really not), exceptionally self-centered (What would the world do without US?), exceptionally self-indulgent (Who cares if the glaciers are melting; I want a Hummer!!), exceptionally stupid (woo-hoo!! Go NASCAR).

Not a Troll <><><> The greater majority of Christians, including both Catholics and Protestants, accept evolution.

Robert B Haigh

Lol I really shouldn’t laugh but you must have mentioned every negative stereotype of Americans that us Europeans have, I doubt they are all true but still lol

Love it! IF the holocoast is fake, so is all this other stuff. All your greivances are fake because they are NOT real.

LOL

Yeah, but did anyone notice how early in the day on Jan 20, 1981 Iran gave back those hostages... they could screw with Carter all they wanted (444 days in captivity) with no fear of retribution... but Reagan... even the "no respect for life, even our own" Muslims thought twice before calling his bluff...

Fed-Up:

Your ignorance really continues to amaze!! The "fix" to release the hostages was already in. It was called "shipping weapons to Iran in exchange for releasing the hostages."

Reagan's "bravado" had absolutely NOTHING to do with it.

You are sooo far beyond being IGNORANT that I don't know where to begin! Try learning something about why the Palestinians have "done nothing." I'll try to put it in "kindergarten" level terms so you can understand.

How 'bout I:

*Surround your house with 30' concrete walls;

*Don't allow you out of your neighborhood except when I "feel like it";

*Brutalize and humiliate your friends, family and children on a daily basis;

*Bomb your neighborhood because I suspect that one of your neighbors opposes my rule;

*Bulldoze your home because I alone have deemed the constuction of it to be illegal;

*Refuse to grant you construction permits;

*Refuse to even allow concrete into your neighborhood for reconstruction;

*Randomly occupy, search, and trash your home for my security;

*Destroy your few crops;

*Pump raw sewage into your neighborhood;

*Allow your ill family members to die at checkpoints;

*Block you from visiting family in other neighborhoods;

*Destroy your electric and water system;

*Pump water out from under your property while restricting your water use (if I decide to give you any at all);

*Allow my soldiers' children to throw rocks and beat your children as they stand by and do nothing;

*Strap your children to the hood of my soldiers' military vehicles so they won't be attacked;

*Break the arms of your children because they threw rocks at my car;

*Encroach upon what little property you have all the while claiming that I "really want to have peace with you."

If you accept and allow me to do this to you EVERY DAY FOR SIXTY YEARS WITHOUT SHOWING ANY SIGNS OF ANGER, HATRED OR PROPENSITY TO REACT, THEN I WILL ACCEPT THAT YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT WHY THE PALESTINIANS HAVE "DONE NOTHING."

What get me is that all these people that go around denying the Holocost are basicaly calling hundreds of thouthands American, British, Canadian, Russian, Polish, Dutch, French, etc solders who libirated the camps lyers. All those brave men that fought acrouse half a continent and came across those camps, who saw and smelled the death that was within them and then told the world about them. These men, from Generals on down, those that question the Shoa attempt to dishonor by impuning their integraty. Looks linke Ike was right when he forsaw this, how I wish that he was wrong on this one.