Poland confronts its role in Jewish deaths

In 1941, six Poles allegedly beat 20 Jewish women to death with metal-tipped clubs outside the hamlet of Bzury, in northeastern Poland.

Now, government prosecutor Radoslaw Ignatiew hopes to charge the killers, if they are still alive. He also aims to discover the identities of the women and the location of their graves.  

Ignatiew represents the Institute of National Remembrance, which was established in Poland 1998 to prosecute crimes committed during Nazi and Communist rule. 

“There is no doubt that the murderers were Poles,” Ignatiew told Gazeta Wyborcza, Poland’s largest newspaper.   

The case comes as Poland grapples with its World War II and Holocaust-era history. While Poles usually see themselves as victims of their Nazi and Soviet occupations, there are lingering questions about involvement in Holocaust-era atrocities.


Cold case re-opened
In the Bzury case, the women were allegedly taken from the ghetto in Szczuczyn, six miles from Bzury, on the false pretense that they were needed to tend a vegetable field. After they were raped and beaten to death, their bodies were reportedly dumped into pits in a forest.

Courtesy Agenja Gazeta

Prosecutor Radoslaw Ignatiew examines his case files at Poland's Institute of National Remembrance.

These allegations were brought to light with the recent discovery of trial documents related to the killings.

The woman who uncovered the documents, Barbara Engelking, head of the Center for Holocaust Research at the Polish Academy of Sciences, learned that at least six men were allegedly involved in the rape and murder of the women. But in 1950, just one man was convicted and sentenced to death for the murders and the case was closed. (According to court records, the defendant was never executed and died in prison).

Engelking’s discovery sparked the re-opening of the inquiry. “We want to find the truth about what happened,” she said in a telephone interview.

Victims or perpetrators?
The investigation triggered by the court records comes at an especially delicate point in Poland’s post-Soviet era effort to understand its own history. This sensitivity was reflected in the reaction to President Obama’s reference to a “Polish Death camp” during a Medal of Freedom ceremony in Washington, D.C., on May 29. 

The White House quickly apologized to an offended Polish government. By “Polish death camps” Obama really meant “Nazi death camps in German-occupied Poland,” a White House spokesman said.

What many Poles find hard to accept is that while the Holocaust, in which more than 3 million Polish Jews perished, took place mostly in German death camps located in Poland, Poles also engaged in the killing of Jews during the same years.

Poles tend to see themselves as either victims or heroes, but not as perpetrators, University of Warsaw sociology professor Antoni Sulek told me during an interview in Warsaw last fall.

According to Professor Jan Grabowski of the University of Ottawa, this new inquiry was also inspired by recent scholarship revealing the killing of Jews by Poles during the Nazi occupation.

Grabowski, author of “Hunt for the Jews 1942-1945,” said he and other members of the Center for Holocaust Research were able to identify thousands of Jews who perished directly or indirectly due to the actions of their Polish neighbors.

Before this latest research, it was assumed that the Jedwabne pogrom of July 1941, when Polish villagers herded 300 Jews into a barn and set it on fire, was an isolated event. (The Polish-American professor Jan Gross first documented this pogrom in his book “Neighbors,” published in 2000).

In fact, according to Grabowski, this was not an isolated incident, but part of a pattern of Polish anti-Jewish violence throughout the German occupation.

Committed to the prosecution of Nazi crimes 
Ignatiew, prosecutor of the newly opened case, also was in charge of the Jedwabne case, which outraged him, according to Konstanty Gebert, a Gazeta Wyborcza columnist. Ignatiew “believes anti-Semitism is a moral and legal outrage and won’t stop fighting it,” according to Gebert.

When asked whether there is an expiration date for murder investigations, Ignatiew told me, through an interpreter, “Poland is committed to the indefinite prosecution of Nazi crimes of murder or genocide.”

“We want to find out whether any of the perpetrators are still around. Also, we might find witnesses to tell us where the women are buried.”

Ignatiew’s commitment reflects a newly emergent awareness among today’s young Poles of this darker side of Polish history. At the same time, it does not change the longstanding reality of Polish heroism on behalf of Jews during the same period. 

Yad Vashem, the Holocaust memorial in Jerusalem, recognizes 6,135 Poles as “Righteous Among the Nations,” a designation for gentiles who risked death to save Jews during the war years, the largest national group to earn that distinction.  

Still, it was a complicated era, with atrocities committed on all sides.

“People must know that history is not black or white,” said Andrzej Folwarczny, president of the Forum for Dialogue Among Nations, a group that promotes relations between Poles and Jews.  

Don Snyder, a veteran NBC News producer for more than 25 years, is a special correspondent for NBCNews.com. A version of this article originally appeared in the Jewish Daily Forward. 

 

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Comment author avatarbuzzkilloneExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

In the immortal words of Eric Cartman:

"Jay Oh Oh...that spells Joo."

Poles hit them with clubs...and right afterwards some clubs hit them with poles.

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Reply#1 - Thu Aug 2, 2012 4:58 PM EDT

All such war crimes need to be investigated and the perpetrators punished. That also applies to Jewish war criminals who are now enjoying their safe retirement in Israel, like Solomon Morrell:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKbZnouiMhs

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#1.1 - Fri Aug 3, 2012 9:47 AM EDT

@ Max 108

Ernst Christof Friedrich Zündel (born April 24, 1939) is a German[1][2] Holocaust denier[3][4] and pamphleteer. He has been jailed several times: in Canada for publishing literature "likely to incite hatred against an identifiable group", and for being a threat to national security; in the United States for overstaying his visa; and in Germany for charges of "inciting racial hatred".[5][6][7] He lived in Canada from 1958 to 2000.

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#1.3 - Fri Aug 3, 2012 10:10 AM EDT

Kate - Israel is sheltering thousands of Jewish war criminals who murdered Germans, Poles, Ukrainians and others, while chasing non-Jewish war criminals who were killing Jews. Does that seem fair to you?

Morrell has been tried and convicted of war crimes in Poland, who sent an extradition request to Israel, which of course denied it. Morrel is just as much of a monster as some of the worst Nazis.

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#1.4 - Fri Aug 3, 2012 10:32 AM EDT

I will agree with you that Solomon Morel that should have been sent back to Poland for trial just don't use convicted criminals such as Ernst Zundel as a source.

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#1.5 - Fri Aug 3, 2012 11:08 AM EDT

Zundel is actually a very good historian but a bad PR case. Most European historians know that the Jewish 6 million figure is pure fiction (it was a number taken from 1944 Soviet propaganda releases) but prefer not to face the Jewish hysteria and the inevitable crucifixion over that issue. Maybe 50 years from now it will be possible to have some truly factual and dispassionate verification of these figures.

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#1.6 - Fri Aug 3, 2012 11:28 AM EDT

OK Max nap time now take your meds.

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#1.7 - Fri Aug 3, 2012 11:42 AM EDT

Here is your medication: http://www.scotsman.com/news/international/jew-accused-of-german-genocide-1-490812 Morrell is charged with genocide and the brutal murder of over 1500 people - he is still shielded by Israel. It is funny how the US media never talks about Jewish war crimes.

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#1.8 - Fri Aug 3, 2012 12:14 PM EDT

First off Israel is not protecting Morel since he's dead, and second of all Morel's case was in litigation between Poland and Israel before his death because believe it or not even criminals are entitled to a fair trial. For example look at the case of your BFF Ernst Zudel, it took Canada many years to get his sorry ass shipped back to Germany. After WW2 Canada neglectfully granted citizenship to several Nazi criminals as well and it took Israel years of litigation to have them brought to justice because they were now Canadian citizens.

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#1.9 - Fri Aug 3, 2012 2:28 PM EDT

Olivia put your tin foil hat back on. The Palestinians have been in the area since the Egyption Pharoahs, living intermingled with the tribes of Israel. Ever heard of the Philistines? They are all semetic peoples, some were Tribe of Judah (the Jews) others were a host of other tribes and groups. I know one Palestinian family that had for many generations had a fig plantation in what is now the West Bank. The old woman still has the keys to her house, they were forcibly evicted and never paid for the land during the 1967 War.

Muslims, Christians and Jews have all called that land home for thousands of years. The only problem is artificial borders drawn by Western powers. First after World War I and the breakup of the Ottoman Empire and then again after World War II. I'm not saying destroy Israel. I believe however, we need to recognize that the place has been a mingling of different peoples since the Crusades.

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#1.11 - Fri Aug 3, 2012 6:22 PM EDT

What that man did was horrendous; however, how on earth is the entire nation of Poland responsible for what HE did? 6 million poles died in the Holocaust. The Polish people are Holocaust VICTIMS, not perpetrators.

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#1.12 - Sat Aug 4, 2012 10:14 AM EDT
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Lets let bye gones be bye gones. It's been years, forgive and forget. It happened, and it was sad that it happened, but going after anyone so many years later is pointless. It was a different time back then. Let it go.

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Reply#2 - Thu Aug 2, 2012 5:00 PM EDT

Sorry -- that doesn't fly. When six million of your people are murdered for just being Jewish, you don't let go and don't forget. If anyone of those murderers are alive they need to be prosecuted. Why should they be able to continue to enjoy life when they took those 20 women's lives away in the cruelest way possible?

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#2.1 - Thu Aug 2, 2012 5:29 PM EDT

oh come off it Vegas.......this is overkill (no pun intended). The Indians in this country were massacred, there were more Russians killed in the 2nd WW then Jews, the Armenians, the Irish, the blacks.. etc etc etc.all had their holocaust...get over yourselves and grow up. The Jews are doing to the Palestinians what the Germans did to them. The USA turned away a boat load of Jews during the holocaust and so did many other countries

Every culture has their holocaust, the Jews just make more movies and write more bokks about theirs.

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#2.2 - Thu Aug 2, 2012 7:24 PM EDT

Chirs said:

Lets let bye gones be bye gones. It's been years, forgive and forget.

Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.

The point is not to wallow in the past, but to remember it with an eye towards keeping it from happening again. Never again should one group of humans attempt to kill off another entire group simply because they believe in a different God. Never again should one group of humans attempt to kill off another group because their skin is a different color.

Never forget.

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#2.3 - Thu Aug 2, 2012 9:12 PM EDT

We do remember, there are so many movies on the subject, hard not to. Still, trying to chase them down this late in the game is a total waste. Just let old wounds heal. I would not say never again, happens in smaller countries. War breaks out during economic hardships though, which the global market has many safety nets against. Not too likely in the near future, but if a major war took down the superpowers, I'm sure it would happen again.

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#2.4 - Thu Aug 2, 2012 11:06 PM EDT

Yes, nevermind that some of those women would be alive yet today, and that they may well have had children and families that suffered. Nevermind that, those white men, you know, they are just like that, so. Who really wonders why we have danced to the brink of extinction with nary a realization in our heads or hearts?........Whatever your religion told you, humans like this will not be missed. Everyone had a chance, and LOVE abundant. Yet it was put to destruction of the planet, each other, and every living thing. Such audacity, such hubris, and such an utter rejection of our responsibility will not be missed.

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#2.5 - Thu Aug 2, 2012 11:21 PM EDT

"Wow are you messed up?" Olivia has spoken, so it must be true.

Olivia, try the adult approach to discussion, i.e., if you think flag waver is wrong, then confront his/her arguments one-by-one, and either disprove them, or accept them.

At this point, all you've done is draw attention to flag waver's assertions for a second time, and left them unchallenged.

Olivia, you've not gone far enough in response; either prosecute your beliefs, or forget them.

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#2.7 - Fri Aug 3, 2012 2:54 AM EDT

If you forget an atrocity like this you risk it happening again.

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#2.8 - Fri Aug 3, 2012 6:24 AM EDT

Thanks for the feedback, Olivia. I found it valuable in exposing the sick nature of huMANity again. Eventually people will get it and the haters will be a historical note only.

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#2.9 - Fri Aug 3, 2012 8:44 AM EDT

What concerns me is why "Don Snyder, a veteran NBC News producer for more than 25 years, is a special correspondent for NBCNews.com. A version of this article originally appeared in the Jewish Daily Forward. " This is an attempt to place all Polish as complicit. Why is NBC promoting this? As an avid reader of NBC you are no longer viewed as fair and balanced. But adding to an agenda of defamation of a country.

    #2.10 - Fri Aug 3, 2012 10:46 AM EDT

    During the WW2 Poland lost an estimated 6 million of its pre-war population due to Nazi violence.Three million of them were Jewish,but another three million were Christian Poles.There were bad people on all sides in this mess.There were some Poles (but fewer than in most Nazi occupied Europe) that sold themselves to the Nazi's to feather their own nests,or just to survive. They killed or helped the Nazi's to kill,Jews and fellow ethnic Poles as well.There were Jews that tried to save themselves by informing on other Jews or on anti-Nazi Poles. There were Jews and Communist Poles,that imprisoned or murdered anti- Communist Jews and Poles to serve their new Soviet mastered.And after the war,many Jews supported and helped the Soviets to establish Communism in Poland.Some of the top leadership in early Communist Poland,and probably a majority,or nearly a majority of the secret police murderers and torturers in early Communist Poland were Jews.Many of those still alive after the fall of Communism fled to Israel,where Israel refused their extradition to stand trial for their crimes.According to the Israelis as in the Morel case " the Israeli government said that Israel would not extradite Mr. Morel as the statute of limitations had expired on war crimes".Which brings up the question that if Israel seems to have a status of limitations for Jewish war crimes from that time .Why are 90+ year old Nazi criminals still beng hunted by Israel,for crimes committed at an even earlier date.Personally,I think that the Poles should investigate any atrocities committed during that period,by whichever party was involved.I doubt they will be able to bring to trial those people,as time has probably claimed them already.But if it brings out the truth and some closure then its worth it.But there are a few facts that should be known about Poland during WW2 that wasn't brought out enough in this article.While Poland,as well as most countries in Eastern Europe had a pre-war history of strong antisemitism.During the war Poland did far more as a nation,and on a human level to help Jews than any other occupied country.More Jews were hidden by Polish Christians than in any other country.Even though it was known,if caught,it earned they and their whole family death.The Polish government was the first one to expose the Nazi Holocaust to the world,even to sending some of its own underground officials at the risk of their lives,undercover to the death camps to gather the information.They also many times called on the other allies to do something,anything,to halt the slaughter.But they were rebuffed every time.They formed groups to smuggle food and weapons to the Ghetto's whenever possible.Losing many underground fighters in the process.Poland has some to be ashamed of from the war years.But far more to be honored for.Many of the very same people in the Polish government underground that worked at the risk of their lives to help save Jews,ended their lives in a Communist prison after the war. Executed as fate would have it by Jewish Communist secret police.Secret police,that were never punished and only rarely known to the world.

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    #2.11 - Fri Aug 3, 2012 3:39 PM EDT
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    Would Americans be as willing to become aware and accept responsibility for the full extent of what Americans did to the Native Americans in this country in the 19th century?

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    Reply#3 - Thu Aug 2, 2012 5:01 PM EDT

    I understand your point but the indians committed quite a few atrocities themselves, they were viscous and merciless, massacres, rapes, scalpings, execution were all methods deployed by the native americans against settlers. it was a war, the injuns lost...

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    #3.1 - Thu Aug 2, 2012 8:24 PM EDT

    Yes, they should.

    Mike: Native Americans. I'm not being politically correct here, calling them 'Indians' is plain incorrect, as the assumption that this land was India was incorrect.

    Massacres, rapes, executions--what do you think the various European countries did? Romans made a sport out of the bloodshed! The Native Americans never took killing to that level. So far as I am aware, there are no 'Jack The Ripper' legends among the Native Americans, no Vlad the Impaler, no Elizabeth Bartholdy, no Nero or Caligula.

    You cannot judge another society by the rules of your own--they have an entirely different viewpoint on the world, one you couldn't imagine. Don't assume because another person is technologically less advanced than you that automatically means they're inferior. The knee-jerk assumptions in the above post are indicative of the assumptions made by the early settlers and are just as wrong now as they were then.

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    #3.2 - Thu Aug 2, 2012 9:25 PM EDT

    Mike - HYPOCRITE! What white guy's telling of the story did you read to get that opinion?

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    #3.3 - Thu Aug 2, 2012 11:23 PM EDT

    Tab L. wrote: "Would Americans be as willing to become aware and accept responsibility for the full extent of what Americans did to the Native Americans in this country in the 19th century?"

    I think that might be possible if, and only if the Native Americans were willing to accept responsibility for the atrocities they committed against innocent women and children, and unarmed men.

    You see, there are two sides to every story. If you only read the left pages in a book and ignore the right pages, then you only have half of the information you need to make an informed decision.

    I suggest we withhold judgement until we've read the whole book.

      #3.4 - Fri Aug 3, 2012 3:06 AM EDT

      Who told you about these atrocities? Who started it and who destroyed the other? You really think you can get away with these lies anymore? Right........

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      #3.5 - Fri Aug 3, 2012 8:40 AM EDT

      Olivia Forever Ah, when we do the massacres is time to move on, because it was long time ago. All the "American citizens" were invaders or conquistadores of Native American lands, which by having better technology, using treachery and even violating their own signed agreements with Native American, exterminated and stole a whole continent.

      Clovis people were prehistoric peoples, there was no moral conduct settled yet, what is next "what happened to the Neanderthals, did the Homo Sapiens kill them off?"

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      #3.7 - Fri Aug 3, 2012 10:40 AM EDT

      While the Spanish were no Angels in their Conquest of the "New World".They were not total monsters either.Most of the deaths came from diseases introduced by accident.Diseases that were known in Europe for centuries decimated the Native American population.Something the Spanish had no intention of.The records are full of stories of horror by the Spanish at the depopulation (who would work the fields,and be converted to Christianity,if the natives died off),of the Americas.Most of the "Black Legend" stories against the Spanish were put out by their European enemies.And have been refuted by modern historians.Montezuma for one,was killed by his fellow Aztec's for serving the Spanish.By our modern standards the Spanish would no doubt be war criminals.But that was a different era,with different standards.And they surely were no worse,and in many cases better than their European rivals.

        #3.9 - Fri Aug 3, 2012 3:59 PM EDT

        Actually Olivia you are dead wrong on that. Abuse by the government goes on to this day. And the children of the abused are very much still alive on the Reservation. I know it doesn't fit your self-righteous belief about it, but there it is. Truth rarely serves the patently selfish.

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        #3.10 - Fri Aug 3, 2012 5:53 PM EDT

        NC open heart:

        Tab L. wrote: "Would Americans be as willing to become aware and accept responsibility for the full extent of what Americans did to the Native Americans in this country in the 19th century?" And I replied” I think that might be possible if, and only if the Native Americans were willing to accept responsibility for the atrocities they committed against innocent women and children, and unarmed men.”

        And then NC open heart replied with this short sighted gem: “Who told you about these atrocities? Who started it and who destroyed the other? You really think you can get away with these lies anymore? Right........”

        To begin with, we are not children who were caught fighting in the playground by the school principal. Who started it, is unknowable and therefore, irrelevant.

        As adults, scientists, teachers and historical researchers we can only know with certainty what verifiable evidence can prove. You asked me: “Who told you about these atrocities?”, and I will tell you that the Native Americans themselves told me.

        In his 1997 book, Lakota Noon, author Gregory F. Michno, gives his readers the Indians point of view of the Battle of the Little Bighorn. He uses first hand accounts of the battle from interviews that were taken as little as a year afterward from actual participants; e.g., Sitting Bull, Crazy Horse, Low Dog, Feather Erring, Two Moon, and Wooden Leg., et. al. These men described, in vivid detail the mutilations that were performed on the cavalry troopers, both living and dead. Michno also uses the personal accounts of the Crow scouts, like Curly, White Man Runs Him and Hairy Moccasin, who accompanied the 7th Cavalry from its base in Fort Lincoln, North Dakota, to the battlefield, where they were released from duty by Custer himself. These men painted an ugly picture of decapitations, disembowelments and amputations of limbs off dead, captured and wounded troopers, using stone knives and axes. Michno also interviewed the descendants of the actual participants, people like Mrs. Spotted Horn Bull, who still had battlefield relics in her possession.

        Beside, Michno, there is another author you should look into; W.A. Graham, and his 1953 book, The Custer Myth. Graham was renowned for his extensive historical research into the battle, and his balanced approach in telling the story of what really happened. There is also, Bugles Banners and War Bonnets, a table-top book by E.L. Reedstrom, who not only gives first hand accounts of Native American atrocities against white women and children before and after the Little Bighorn battle, but also includes photographs of the mutilated bodies the NA’s left behind as their calling cards.

        The bottom line is that informed people don’t make asinine assertions about Native American atrocities; some of us actually have proof right from the NA’s themselves.

        So leave your ridiculous self-righteous indignation at home; go to a good library, and read-up on the subject. You will find that nobody’s hands were clean in this episode of American history.

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        #3.11 - Sun Aug 5, 2012 1:21 AM EDT
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        Anybody involved is probably long dead or to old to prosecute.

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        Reply#4 - Thu Aug 2, 2012 5:02 PM EDT

        Raymond wrote: "Anybody involved is probably long dead or too old to prosecute." Exactly.

        What do these prosecutors plan to do if any of the surviving old men who were involved in this tragedy, are identified and brought to court, and they are already suffering the diseases of old age?

        These senile old men can barely understand what is happening to them in their present context, do these prosecutors really think that they’re going to be able to make them understand that they are accountable for their role in a crime that they committed 71 years ago?

        Moreover, what would be the point of connecting some mentally infirm old men to a crime that happened seven decades ago? To bring shame on their families? Is that the kind of personal and social gratification that they plan to substitute for justice? To make the innocent pay for the sins of their fathers? I’m sorry, but I find that kind of justice morally bankrupt.

        Taking incontinent, doddering old men into custody and holding them for a trial, while they suffer the weaknesses of old age in jail, means that the prosecutors have become the Nazis that they abhor.

        There is nothing to be done for it. These old men did their crimes here on earth, and if those involved in their pursuit, capture and prosecution truly embrace their sacred belief system to the extent that they'd have us believe, then they must know that these old men will be judged by a greater power, and will suffer a just punishment in the after life. However, if these people do not believe in the punishment of the guilty by their God in heaven, then all they truly want is man’s vengeance on earth, and that should be unacceptable to all moral men and women.

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        #4.1 - Fri Aug 3, 2012 4:43 AM EDT

        Bless your precious heart Arkius. If someone ever raped and then bashed in your sweet Mother's head we promise to not laugh in your face or put any effort into persecuting the perverts and even after 60 years when the killers are now looking to rape and murder your sister we will just go about our day.

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        #4.2 - Fri Aug 3, 2012 10:20 AM EDT

        Bless your simple little mind Kate; you clearly have no comprehension of the depreciation of the male reproductive system after 80+ years of use.

        To begin with, how realistic is it for the readers to believe that a faltering, senile old man in his late 80's or early 90's, still has enough testosterone left in his system to cop an erection, and carry out a rape. Clearly, your insight in this matter is emo driven and has no connection to reality or common sense.

        Secondly, you're begging the question. You assume that I am old enough to have had a mother that was a murder victim in 1941. Again, you’re grasping at straws to make a point that you are not intellectually capable of making.

        Let's say for the sake of discussion that I adjust the timetable to make your assumption pertinent. It then becomes apparent to the readers that you have built a flimsy straw man argument. In this case, you constructed a false argument and then consigned it to me.

        The article states quite clearly that the case was previously investigated: “These allegations were brought to light with the recent discovery of trial documents related to the killings.” In other words, the outcome from a previous investigation resulted in a trial; that trial generated documents, and these documents have been recently rediscovered. Therefore, your claim: “we promise to not laugh in your face or put any effort into persecuting the perverts,” is entirely self-serving, spurious and absurd.

        Next, your reading comprehension skills are not very good, which leads you to beg the question for a second time.

        You wrote: “after 60 years when the killers are now looking to rape and murder your sister we will just go about our day.” Here you assume that I would be satisfied if no one made an investigation or pursued a prosecution of a rape/murder. I have already stated that the historical record shows that some unidentified Polish police department made a previous investigation, which resulted in a trial. What more could the family of a murder victim ask for? Perhaps if you weren’t so smug and superficial, and you actually made an effort to understand what I wrote, you’d have a better insight into what I implied.

        I clearly state that a greater judgment awaits the murderers in their next life, and that prosecuting the mentally and physically infirm is a form of punishment that shows little distinction between the Nazis that the prosecutor loathes, and the prosecutor himself.

        In sum, I think that your comments make it clear to the readers that you are unable to distinguish justice from vengeance. Good luck with that.

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        #4.3 - Fri Aug 3, 2012 9:22 PM EDT

        Let me guess you're a Criminal defence Lawyer. Get over your pompous self now. I am humble enough though to admit that my rant was stupid. As for being superficial well no that would be you since for some adamant reason you feel their is no logic in pursuing the murderers of a horrific crime which I'm sure the families of the victims would strongly disagree with you and perhaps YOU failed to comprehend the article and reasoning behind re-opening the case.

        “We want to find the truth about what happened,”

        “believes anti-Semitism is a moral and legal outrage and won’t stop fighting it,”

        “We want to find out whether any of the perpetrators are still around. Also, we might find witnesses to tell us where the women are buried.”Poland is committed to the indefinite prosecution of Nazi crimes of murder or genocide.”

        My comment about the killers chasing your sister was in reference to the fact that the Holocaust took place over 60 years ago and yet anti-Semitism is still VERY dangerously prevalent in our society today.

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        #4.4 - Sat Aug 4, 2012 12:20 AM EDT

        Exactly. There is no statute of limitations on murder.

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        #4.5 - Sat Aug 4, 2012 8:37 AM EDT

        Kate: Let me guess, you’re a lonely, overweight high school sophomore?

        I only seem pompous to you because I can articulate my arguments, and you find that intimidating. Sorry, but I do not intend to dumb down my approach to accommodate your intellectual insecurity. However, kudos to you for having the courage to admit that your rant was absurd, but it was your absurd rant that made you appear smug and superficial.

        I discussed your arguments with you and the readers and exposed your foolishness, which you were gracious enough to admit to, but now for some reason; you have progressed from ranting, to having a child-like hissy fit in full view of the readers. What’s next, Kate, stamping your feet with arms akimbo?

        Your hissy fit is affecting your ability to reason with information. For example, you wrote: “for some adamant reason you feel their is no logic in pursuing the murderers of a horrific crime which I'm sure the families of the victims would strongly disagree with you.” I hold a point of view about his topic, and if you are not able to argue your point of view with sufficient intellectual vigor; enough to change my mind, then I’m going to stick with my position. Now, I hope that explains to you my adamancy. On the other hand, are you sure that “adamant” was the word you wanted to use?

        Next, you wrote: “for some adamant reason you feel their is no logic in pursuing the murderers of a horrific crime which I'm sure the families of the victims would strongly disagree with you and perhaps YOU failed to comprehend the article and reasoning behind re-opening the case.” Apparently, the gist of my arguments, and the reasoning that I provide to support them, exceeds your understanding. I’ll reiterate my arguments, and try to make them as clear as possible, so that even you can grasp my meaning:

        During WWII, a zealous psychopath named Heinrich Himmler, ordered his Nazi SS troops to hunt down, and kill or capture peoples of many different social, ethnic and racial backgrounds, a great many of them were old and infirm. Today, there is a zealous prosecutor in Poland named Radoslaw Ignatiew, who is trying to hunt down and capture five doddering old men for a crime that they allegedly committed in 1941, 71 years ago.

        It is known that the victims were between 15 and 30 years old (Internet Document, IPN Investigation in Bzury:2012) Let’s assume that the killers were in the same age bracket as the women they killed, between 15 and 30 years old, which today would make the youngest murderer 86 and the oldest, 101 years old. One of the murderers, Stanislaw Zalewski, was prosecuted and imprisoned in 1950; he died in 1957 (ibid). I argue that hunting down and capturing the survivors, will net, at the most, three senile old men. Now, pay attention Kate and stay focused on exactly what I say in the following paragraphs, because these are the crux of my arguments:

        Himmler hunted down and captured the old and infirm during the war. Today, Ignatiew wants to hunt down the old and infirm. In this pursuit, there is no difference between Himmler and Ignatiew, but wait, there’s more. The case was already tried in 1950; in 1950, the alleged murderers would have been between 24 and 39. In every situation in life, there comes a point of diminishing returns. In this case, it came in 1990.

        In 1990, the alleged murderers would have been between 64 and 79 years old, and it is not unreasonable to assume that men in that age bracket would have the mental facilities to understand why they were being arrested and prosecuted. In 2012; however, it is not reasonable to assume that men in the age bracket: 86-101, have the mental facilities to understand why they are standing up, let alone standing trial.

        In law, if you cannot understand the charges against you, then you are judged mentally incompetent, and you are put in an asylum. In the real world, if you have lost your mental facilities to old age, you are already in an asylum; within your mind and within your failing body; you are just biding your time until everything fades to black. Is persecuting the lame and infirm your idea of justice? If it is, then your belief system is in conflict with every reasonable, sentient being in the world.

        If you reason carefully with my above arguments, then it should be clear to you, and to anyone else reading my comments, that the law can only prosecute the responsible while they are responsible. Humankind’s collective critical analysis of right and wrong has deemed it wrong to persecute and abuse the elderly. Now what is it about this simple concept that you and world Jewry have trouble understanding? I argue that if you and world Jewry do not believe that the God of Moses will ultimately punish these men for their crimes, then you have been kidding yourselves for 5000 years.

        I do not believe that 500,000 American service man and women died in the European theater of war just so that their decedents could forget, or ignore what they fought for. We are not mindless and heartless Nazis, and vengeance is no substitute for justice.

        Do you understand me now, Kate?

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        #4.6 - Sat Aug 4, 2012 8:43 PM EDT

        In 2012; however, it is not reasonable to assume that men in the age bracket: 86-101, have the mental facilities to understand why they are standing up, let alone standing trial.

        Based on what? Your assumption? What study are you citing that categorically states that men or women between the ages of 86-101 are not mentally or emotionally cognizant of their surroundings and incapable of reasoned thought? I mean, Clint Eastwood made a great argument for your point of view during the RNC, but... Show me the law you seem to think exists which excuses people between the ages of 86-101 for any crime they may have committed in the past.

        There's nothing worse than a pompous blowhard who crowns himself the king of "Comment Mountain". Especially one who argues from assumptions:

        I argue that hunting down and capturing the survivors, will net, at the most, three senile old men.

        As it turns out, only 30.2% of white men around the age of 85 suffer from Alzheimers. That means that only one out of your three men would be senile (http://www.alz.org/downloads/facts_figures_2012.pdf)

        This data clearly destroys all your points you've made, since there is a good chance that at least one of these three men may have sufficient mental capacity to stand trial; and for the heinous crime of the Jewish Holocaust, there should never be a safe haven for these men to hide. Not even in their own, crippled minds.

        You lose.

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        #4.7 - Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:38 PM EDT
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        War itself is a crime. However, even in controlled environment, as science proved, nice people will turn to be sadistic criminals. And every war created more criminals than we can think of; regardless of nationality or religious orientation, and all of it is because some people think they are better than the others.

        Love and Peace to all.

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        Reply#5 - Thu Aug 2, 2012 5:11 PM EDT

        This is a non-story... during WWII lawlessness was rampant in many of the occupied countries. Many Poles were victims, and not just Polish jews. In every country you were able to find thugs who tried to take advantage of other people... So, I don't really care for this "victimhood mentality" that focuses on only one ethnic group over others.

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        Reply#6 - Thu Aug 2, 2012 6:09 PM EDT

        Than how would you like to honor some other groups that were marked for extermination during WWII, but received less recognition?

        Lets see your liberal values.

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        #6.1 - Fri Aug 3, 2012 12:45 AM EDT
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        There is no question that Catholic nuns and priests in Poland sheltered Jewish children, at the risk of their own lives.

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        Reply#7 - Thu Aug 2, 2012 6:10 PM EDT

        Our (American) fathers and forefathers put an end to the killing of Jews in Europe, and 600,000+ died ending slavery in this country. Why do we have to endlessly hear about how Jews and Blacks are owed a debt that can never be fully paid, by people who had no hand in their mistreatment, but whose fathers and ancestors liberated both groups ?

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        Reply#8 - Thu Aug 2, 2012 6:20 PM EDT

        A rather narrow, simplistic--and inaccurate--view of history. This story is about prosecuting murder and rape. No mention of any "debts" that you're whining about...

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        #8.1 - Thu Aug 2, 2012 7:31 PM EDT

        dale - The Americans stopped giving visas to Jews who wanted to escape Europe, and turned away the ship that carried jews to the US. History books?

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        #8.2 - Thu Aug 2, 2012 9:36 PM EDT
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        This is a non-story, during WWII lawlessness was rampant in the occupied countries. Many Poles, and not just Polish jews were victims of violence. So, I'm not sure why we keep focusing on just one set of victims, and on just one ethnic group?

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        Reply#9 - Thu Aug 2, 2012 6:25 PM EDT

        Because, Exer, the Holocaust killed off half of all the Jews in the world. Of course there have been other atrocities...have you ever heard of what the English army did to the Scottish prisoners after Culloden? But they did not kill anywhere close to one half of the Highlanders...perhaps because, fortunately, gas chambers had not been invented yet.

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        #9.1 - Thu Aug 2, 2012 8:15 PM EDT

        Exer - May be because the "one ethnic group" vowed not to forget and not allow the world to repeat it?

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        #9.2 - Thu Aug 2, 2012 9:39 PM EDT

        - Hitler didn't start or stop with Jews

        - Most were NOT killed in gas chambers

        - Jews didn't die in the Holocaust, Polish-Jews, Dutch-Jews, Russian-Jews etc died. If you want to ONLY focus on one single ethnic group then you are feeding right into Hitlers rhetoric.

        Hitler: politely rounded up people with promise of deportation to safety, everyone was accounted for & signed off on it (Remember Germans were/are very organized). Then forced them to slowly rot to death in a camp

        Stalin put a gun to their head & threw them into a mass grave

        For Europeans, there wasn't much difference. For Jews that relocated to America/UK in order to receive pity, Hitler was glorified to a Devil status & Poland was a peasant land with un-educated savages.

        I recommend reading up on: Hollywood's War with Poland, 1939-1945

        Jews never ending milking of the Holocaust & dignifying their current treatment of Palestinians because of what was done to them as well as others 70 years ago, is why Europeans do not back Israel the same naive, ignorant ways the United States does.

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        #9.3 - Thu Aug 2, 2012 10:51 PM EDT

        Treatment of Palestinians has nothing to do with Holocaust. It has to do with the actions of Palestinians themselves.

        However, if you are so concerned with the fact that Jews were not the only victims of Holocaust, how about a tribute to some of the other groups who were also marked for extermination:

        There were also gypsies, gays, European Black, Catholic priests, Belarus...

        Would you like to start a campaign to honor, for example, gay victims of Holocaust? They seem to receive the least recognition.

        You will get plenty of support, especially form the Jews who will be happy to support their fellow victims. In fact, I am sure the government of Israel will be the first to write a big fat check.

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        #9.4 - Fri Aug 3, 2012 12:38 AM EDT

        Eli wrote: "Treatment of Palestinians has nothing to do with Holocaust. It has to do with the actions of Palestinians themselves." Sorry Eli, but there are enough people in America and Europe who still remember the atrocities perpetrated on the Palestinian people in 1948 and afterward.

        We still remember the ridiculous claims made against the Palestinians in order to justify the theft of their country.

        You can't lie to us, because we know the truth. You can't lie to yourselves, because you know the truth and you want to distort it. And you can't lie to your God, because he will punish you for your sins.

        What happened to Jewish people during the Holocaust is an abomination against humankind, but it does not give the Jewish people the right to lie, and steal a whole country from a kindred people.

        It was the greatest theft in the history of the world, and you have been defending it with money, intimidation and murder ever since.

        The mistreatment of the Palestinian people by the Jews during and after 1948 is a direct result of the Holocaust Eli. Prove to the readers that there is no connection. It can't be done.

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        #9.5 - Fri Aug 3, 2012 5:12 AM EDT

        For the umpteenth time...the Zionists BOUGHT the land from the Arabs starting in the late 19th Century and acquired more when it was used as a base to attack them three times.

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        #9.6 - Fri Aug 3, 2012 8:59 AM EDT

        "It does not make it right, but frankly, who cares about a bunch of perverts anyway ?"

        Sadly,that says it all for you and your opinions.

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        #9.8 - Fri Aug 3, 2012 4:10 PM EDT

        Cassandra:

        For the umpteenth time, the fairy tale that the Zionists bought enough land from the Ottoman Empire, which ruled Palestine, to equal a majority ownership is blatantly absurd.

        If your line of thinking had any validity, then Brooklyn Heights, New York and Fairlawn, New Jersey would be part of Israel.

        You clearly, have only a passing acquaintanceship common sense.

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        #9.9 - Fri Aug 3, 2012 9:44 PM EDT
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        any conservative and catholic nation will be mercilessly attacked by the press, poland was overrun by nazi germany they were in no position of power. black men rape white women to the tune of about 100 a day you'll never hear a peep from nbcnews about that.

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        Reply#10 - Thu Aug 2, 2012 8:18 PM EDT
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        exactly why the world sucks.....is the 21st century going to be the same old....same old?....probably......

        i wish not!!!

          Reply#11 - Thu Aug 2, 2012 8:40 PM EDT

          What an 'unfortunate' (and missinforming) statement: "it was a complicated era, with atrocities committed on all sides." Exactly what where the atrocities commited by the jews? their only 'attrocity' was being jews? There is no place to such wrong "equality" in the consideration of the holocaust history Mr. Snyder.

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          Reply#12 - Thu Aug 2, 2012 9:17 PM EDT

          Jews killed fellow Jews.

          Watch The Pianist

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          #12.1 - Thu Aug 2, 2012 10:36 PM EDT

          You get your history from movies?

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          #12.2 - Thu Aug 2, 2012 11:29 PM EDT

          No he's a Madrassa scholar.

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          #12.3 - Thu Aug 2, 2012 11:36 PM EDT

          Muslims kill fellow Muslims.

          Watch Planet Earth.

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          #12.4 - Thu Aug 2, 2012 11:49 PM EDT

          Mymomdidnotraiseafool wrote: "You get your history from movies?" If you saw the movie, then you wouldn't be asking such a mindless question.

          The Pianist is a dramatization of a real world event. In the same way that Schindler's List is a dramatization of a real world event. Each film tries to convey to it's audience a true story. The films are screen adaptations of real events. What is good about this, is that each of the films helped boost sales of the books they were based on.

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          #12.5 - Fri Aug 3, 2012 5:45 AM EDT
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          6 Poles killed 20 Poles...... 70 years ago.

          How is this news?

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          Reply#13 - Thu Aug 2, 2012 10:30 PM EDT

          It's the fact that the crime was ignored for 70 years that makes it the news, as well as the reason why it was ignored.

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          #13.1 - Fri Aug 3, 2012 12:42 AM EDT

          Eli, you're being melodramatic.

          The crime wasn't ignored for 71 years. It was known, and then put on a back burner and forgotten. It was rediscovered, looked into, dead ended, and dropped. It is now rediscovered and being pursued.

          Maybe Steven Spielberg will make a movie about it.

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          #13.2 - Fri Aug 3, 2012 5:52 AM EDT
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          OK...what about all the unborn children that are murdered each year in the abortion clinics around this wonderful progressive country. These are the people that we should be going after now, the mothers and the doctors!! These are people that are probably still living....and no different than the Nazi's......because these unborn 'people' are considered 'unwanted' by society......oh my...... Give me the gun, switch, or lever.....I will be glad to pull it in remembrance of all the victims..... We are no different than the Nazis......

            Reply#14 - Thu Aug 2, 2012 11:07 PM EDT

            And you're no different than the Aurora theater murderer. "Give me the gun, switch or lever...". Absolutely no difference between him and yourself whatsoever. Oh, and you're completely off-topic, you maundering twit!

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            #14.1 - Thu Aug 2, 2012 11:28 PM EDT

            Get help for your psychotic bipolar disorder Bummer.

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            #14.2 - Thu Aug 2, 2012 11:31 PM EDT

            He sounds like an Eric Rudolph admirer.

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            #14.3 - Thu Aug 2, 2012 11:35 PM EDT

            I remember when an Archbishop of New York compared murdered Jews to aborted embryos. The Jewish community was outraged and the Archbishop apologized like the gentleman he was. I doubt that Bummer will do the same.

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            #14.4 - Fri Aug 3, 2012 9:01 AM EDT
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            Sometimes when your given lemons you windup with with lemonaid , For as bad as it was for ALL the victims of Nazi culture at leasts the Jews got back home , Not many races can say that after so many years , but the dead are dead and nothing will change that

            What Israel doesn't remind us of is that their sitting on only about 10% of what God promised so when are e going to hear about the plans for the other 90%

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            Reply#15 - Fri Aug 3, 2012 3:00 AM EDT

            "What Israel doesn't remind us of is that their sitting on only about 10% of what God promised so when are e going to hear about the plans for the other 90%."

            I'm sure that as soon as you can figure out a way to justify stealing the other 90% to the world, you'll try and grab it. We won't believe that crap either.

            End Israeli apartheid in Palestine and be at peace with your brothers.

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            #15.1 - Fri Aug 3, 2012 5:24 AM EDT

            That's right, Ark, the Palestinians are longing for peace with the Israelis...that's why they keep threatening the destroy the entire state. Or didn't you read the story about the Palestinian Authority leader who laid a wreath at Auschwitz, and was roundly condemned by Hamas and other fellow Palestinians, who insisted that the Holocaust never happened.

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            #15.2 - Fri Aug 3, 2012 9:02 AM EDT

            Cassandra:

            Clearly, reading comprehension is not your thing. I neither mentioned the Palestinians desire for peace, nor did I mention anything about internal Palestinian political conflicts.

            seemssoobvious mentions that the Israeli's have only 10% of the land God Promised them, and I responded that as soon as they can figure out a way to justify stealing the other 90%, then they will make an attempt to steal it.

            Now, that I've explained my comments for you; let's see if you can get it right this time around.

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            #15.3 - Fri Aug 3, 2012 7:34 PM EDT
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            It doesn't matter how old the crime is. If this really happened and the thugs that did it are still alive then they should pay for the crime. I don't really care what nationality was involved , murder is murder and cosmic justice always prevails in the end.

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            Reply#16 - Fri Aug 3, 2012 8:11 AM EDT

            Rocky:

            Congratulations. You have turned contradiction and intellectual bewilderment into an art form.

            If, as you say, "cosmic justice always prevails in the end", then why do you advocate bringing two or three senile old men to an earthly trial to "pay for the(ir) crime(s)"? You can't have it both ways; pick one and go with it.

            According to your philosophy; "cosmic justice" would be a more economically efficient way to deal with the perpetrators? After all, wouldn't the great cosmic judge be able to produce the bodies of the victims, and thus have enough evidence to convict the guilty?

            BTW: What do you think the earth bound Polish prosecutor should do, if he finds out that all of the suspects are dead? Should he bring charges against their descendents?

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            #16.1 - Tue Aug 7, 2012 12:55 AM EDT
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            Atrocities were committed everywhere in eastern Europe before and during World War 2. I condone none of it. "Bloodlands:Europe Between Hitler and Stalin" by Timothy D. Snyder is a must-read for anyone seeking better knowledge of the circumstances.

            Secondly, with all the migration of peoples and the constant changes made in countries' borders throughout the immediate preceding generations, someone who resided in what was Poland at the time, could actually have been born in the same area when it was East Prussia. Mistreatment of "foreign" ethic groups by the "natives" was not unusual, as ill-feelings and personal vendettas for previous actions were continued. Even today, Poles and those of Polish decent living on generational family lands located within the boundaries of Lithuania face attack and mistreatment.

            I stated earlier that I in no way support the horrific attacks. But, I ask: Is it not possible that these 6 "Poles" might actually have been of Prussian descent? That region of Poland was East Prussia just one generation earlier. I am not saying that they were. There are murderous psychopaths in every society. But, as much as we want someone that comes to or is born in the United States to be "American", the line gets a little blurry during 19th and early 20th century Europe, doesn't it?

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            Reply#17 - Fri Aug 3, 2012 9:54 AM EDT
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            If I were jews, I would stop and let go this seemingly never ending pursuit of "presumed" WWII war crimes committed against jews.

            In WWII, many others suffered; Some killed, butchered, burned etc etc..

            Jews should be concerned about the real war criminals of 21st century; isreal.

            In 2008, isreal massacred 1500 palestinian women and children. The criminals are still out there.

            In 2011, isreal killed 9 turkish peace activists. Again, the murderers are still walking free.

            But, eventually, these lowlifes will be tried as war criminals. isreal also possess common criminals who killed innocent scientists in iran.

            So, these jew historians should stop whining about 60 years ago, they should focus on the current events and prepare defense for genocide isrealis committed.

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            Reply#18 - Fri Aug 3, 2012 3:12 PM EDT

            MSNBC and Mr. Snyder, stop spreading hate!! During the war even JEWS killed Jews and betrayed their own neighbors and friends. Why not write an article about that? We must never forget the Holocaust - an atrocity beyond compare - or forget the suffering of the Jews. But likewise, we must never forget that millions of Poles died and suffered at the hands of the Nazi's as well. Choosing to focus on the the evils of a small group of men is insulting to the many Poles who risked their and their families' lives and DIED protecting their Jewish neighbors and friends. The same Poles whose country welcomed more Jews than any other country in the world and ended up being occupied and destroyed by the Nazi's for that very reason.

              Reply#19 - Fri Aug 3, 2012 11:15 PM EDT

              Yes, when the Jews were shipped to the death camps, there were other Jews who assisted the Nazis in the exterminations. However, a handful of desperate cowards does not negate what was done by the Nazis. It sounds like "she was asking for it" when referring to a rape victim. Do you know how many infants and children were hustled into the "showers" and gassed as soon as they arrived? Yes, the number of Jews murdered does stand at approximately 6 million, possibly more. That number was arrived at by knowing how many Jews lived in Europe prior to the rise of the Nazis and how many were alive after the Nazis were defeated. The number is six million.

              I don't believe that this particular event gets attention because the Jews keep publicizing it. I believe it gets attention because of the enormity of the numbers. I believe it gets attention because of the cold-blooded efficiency of the murderers. I believe it gets attention because the Allies marched in and found the death camps, saw the bodies, saw survivors that looked like corpses. There are pictures of stacks upon stacks of bodies, bodies of women, children, babies, old people. It is hard to get those images out of your head.

              Yes. Books and movies and newspaper articles have been written about this in great numbers, because there were a tremendous number of deaths. A lot of those who died had family members in the U.S., family members in Great Britain, family members who managed to survive, like Anne Frank's father. With that many people, you get a lot of books and movies.

              This is not to diminish nor negate the other victims of the Nazis. They also gathered up all those people who were mentally ill or developmentally disabled or who were born with birth defects or anomolies and they killed all of them. They killed all those they could identify as homosexual. They killed all those they could identify as gypsies. They killed all those they could identify as liberals, or socialists, or communists, or Jehovah's Witnesses. They killed indiscriminately and discriminately. They were organized and efficient and without conscience or mercy.

              It was their intent, when they finished wiping out the Jews, to move on to the Polish people, whom they also classified as sub-human. Yes. There were plenty of anti-semitic Polish people who assisted the Nazis in identifying and rounding up the Jews. I'm sure there would be plenty of people in this country who would assist the Nazis in rounding up black people, or illegal aliens, or whichever group was targeted. Every country has haters. Every country has murderers who will exercise that inclination if they can hide behind a flag to do it.

              Yes. There have also been other cases of mass genocide. The Turks attempted to wipe out the Armenians. There have been wars of tribal extermination in Africa. Look what happened in the former Yugoslavia. Yes. Americans once bought and sold black human beings. Yes, Americans stole the lands of the native Americans and killed them in large numbers. Yes, those same native Americans fought back most viciously. Although rape was not common. Generally speaking, if they saw a woman they fancied they took her home and either enslaved her or treated her as a wife. Many white women refused to go back home after spending several years in captivity. They were treated better by their captors than they had been treated by their husbands. Young children were often adopted by the tribe and came to consider those "brutal savages" as family.

              Nobody gets a pass. Every nation on earth has probably practiced some kind of systematic attempt to enslave or kill another group. But rarely have they been so successful or so efficient or so deliberate as the Nazis. That is why we continue to regard the Nazis as particularly awful, and it is why we keep returning to the subject.

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              Reply#20 - Sat Aug 4, 2012 12:33 AM EDT

              To return to the original subject . . . I happen to believe that we should track down and prosecute every single person who participates in these kinds of ethnic murders. We need to get one primary message across, and that is that we will NOT forget. Those who would murder under the color of a flag should NEVER get a pass. We will hunt you to your grave and beyond, whether you are a Turk, a Serbian, a Pole or a Nazi. No one who does these things should ever be allowed to sleep peacefully again. They should be hunted forever. They should spend the rest of their lives looking over their shoulders. I would quite cheerfully prosecute a murderer of this ilk if he were 110, because he should know the world will never stop coming, will never stop hunting.

              When everyone knows that there will never be forgiveness, maybe they will think twice about murdering their neighbors in the name of ethnic or religious purity.

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              Reply#21 - Sat Aug 4, 2012 12:44 AM EDT

              Underemployed, how in the hell did you get Serbian mixed up with the Pole or Nazi. Serbs saved all their Jews. Why don't you read some history from time to time. Your ideology is very simple at best. Most Poles would do the same thing again along with the Germans if the opportunity presents itself. Some of the most brutal SS were the Jews . We have one living among us who is the wealthiest man in world and you might know his name, but if not let me tell you, his name is SOROS. He is the most dangerous man on earth. He converted to Christianity as a young man and helped to deprt tora Jews to gas chambers so he can get their wealth. Later he became a Jew again because it was more convenient .

                #21.1 - Sat Aug 4, 2012 10:21 AM EDT

                Some of the most brutal SS were the Jews . We have one living among us who is the wealthiest man in world and you might know his name, but if not let me tell you, his name is SOROS

                Listening to the anti-semitic Glenn Beck again? His hatred for Jews is palpable, no matter how many times he stands up in Israel and fawns over people. Blaming Jews for the holocaust is anti-semitism of the worst kind.

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                #21.2 - Sat Aug 4, 2012 10:53 AM EDT
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                Cherry picking for getting money out of Poland.

                  Reply#22 - Sat Aug 4, 2012 9:51 AM EDT

                  Radoslaw Ignatiew, I'll lay money this useless POS is a Jew. Only a greedy "Piglet" could whine so vehemently when it comes to getting even. Problem is the Piglets are running out of victims to accuse and abuse. Time marches on and more people are catching on to the Hollywood theatrics and the outlandish Jewish lies. Guess they will turn to digging up graves to prosecute the bodies when the money runs out from those still alive. Perhaps we will start seeing more Kosher symbols on toilet paper and lawn fertilizer..

                    Reply#23 - Sat Aug 4, 2012 7:36 PM EDT

                    The last sentence in that article is the best. Something to the effect that history "is not black and white". There is plenty of blame to go around. Jews seem to be the biggest scapegoats of society. We can trace nasty things back to pre-history days. Guess you can say all the way back to Cain and Abel. The Israeli nation is now hurting Palestinians. There are plenty of other examples. Guess it will continue to the end of time.

                      Reply#24 - Sat Aug 4, 2012 8:34 PM EDT

                      somebody like open wounds again..!

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