Agreed, it all stems from plate tectonics. We need to stop plate tectonics now before it destroys all of us.

In the meantime we can implement a system of offsets and allow only so much movement in a century.

In the meantime we can implement a system of offsets and allow only so much movement in a century.

This seems like reasonable regulation...but will all plates agree to this? Maybe we can just get our own plate to slow its movement, and then who knows what could happen!

You're right, we need to act fast, raise money, get the UN involved to force all plates to join in on this cause. We don't want to over step our authority on this but it's vital! I am setting up a website to solicit donations, a government task force and working on a script, working title, 'An inconvenient plate'

Ban all plates and mountains!!

Oh come on now!! My daddy used to tell me that if you put enough power behind anything it'll fly, where the opposite would be true if you put enough grease on anything it'll slide!

I think Obama can tax the emission as well and force New Zealand to pay a carbon credit.

cant the rich in new zealand outsource their volcanos to china,india or mexico.well atleast they can import some illegal aliens to clean up the mess

Kornfed: The big question of course is will there be enough minority plate participation? Not to mention that the World Federation of Plate Movement hasn't weighed in on this yet. As we all know, the plate unions haven't been real happy the last few years because when the recession hit, they got their movements cut back. I can tell you for a fact that the Plate Movers local 247 in my area is really ticked off. And if you're not careful, the next thing you know, they'll be calling in the ACLU. Be careful is all I'm saying....just be very careful. The last thing we need is a plate bailout.

I'd like my plate with ribs, beans and slaw.

And then Scott Walker!

TAXES, If we implement a Plate Tectonic Tax to everyone we can save the planet! Scientists now believe TAXES will slow man's effect on the earth's crust!

New Zealanders pay a lot more tax that Americans already ;)>

Clearly at fault for this eruption former President George W. Bush has declined to comment.

Debby "Blabber Mouth" Schultz has demanded an ethics investigation into Mitt Romney's presidential campaign, alleging that his proposed tax cuts incited the tectonic plates under New Zealand to move right.

Bill Clinton's only comment regarding the unexpected blowing, "hot dog!"

LOL

amazing how the science-hating right wingnuts can turn anything into a political attack ad, no matter how irrelevant

Regress to Pangea.

Reunite Godwanda!

Congress should pass a law mandating that all volcanoes emit 35% less fumes by 2020.

denver: But the volcanoes are gonna be really p.o'd that the forest fires didn't have to meet the same requirement.

Volcano Fossil Fuel, Forest Fire Renewable Energy gets government money.

Leave the vulcanoes alone. They're the job creators, and don't think of asking for their geologic records for the last thousand years. They spewed out all their legal share of ash ! The only possible human explanation is the Iranians or Taliban is behind the eruption ! A new mission for Homeland Security monitoring foreign vulcanoes.

Ha these comment are so funny - truely they make good reading! I am reading them from Christchurch, South Island of New Zealand the city of shakes! Over 10,000 of them since our first earthquake. It is amazing what is happening on our side of the woods!! It will be watch this space, the siesmic acitivity in the south island especially around Christchurch has been hard to handle especially all the damage to our homes and our destroyed city (the 2nd largest city (or it was) in New Zealand. Now the siesmic activity has also moved to the North Island of New Zealand but it has not been as violent. The North Island earthquakes could be due to the volcanic activity! Everywhere are reporting smelling sulphur smells. We have a major major fault the Alpine Fault that runs through the south Island. Me thinks that not only are all our volcanoes going to become active - we now have Tongiraro and White Island showing activity, but when Tongariro erupted in 1855 it was preceeded by violent earthquakes, and the Marlborough Sounds and Wellington were hit by a massive earthquake. Christchurch was devastated by the 22nd Feb 2011 earthquake - it broke our city! Thankfully the USAR teams from around the world came to help - they are unsung heros! It has been frightening living through all the aftershocks, some of them have been quite violent! For geologists - they must feel like kids at christmas - it must be so exciting for them - 1st earthquakes in christchurch in the south island, now volcanoes erupting in the north island! What next - the whole of the north island blowing up with all the volcanoes going off at once! New Zealand is a beautiful country, but that beauty comes from our volcanoes and faultlines - our country sits on the border of the pacific and australsian plates - sitting ducks anyone? Time will tell - but watch this space - New Zealand is in for a rough ride! :)

O'Barry just announced:

This Volcano did't erupt by itself! Some other volcano had to erupted first, so that this volcano could erupt!

Are you stupid, or just haven't done your meds yet today?

And of course this volcano didn't build itself. It had to have had government help to grow to this size. It also could not possible have erupted with government aid. The are no self made volcano, plates, and we all know they only move in government approve directions and rates. Only those things government sanctioned can happen.

Hummmmmmmmmmmm .... Think there is a "Volcanic" conspiracy afoot?

Congress will need to appropriate a couple of billion and get the CIA "underground moles" to "infiltrate" the subversive group to insure they are not "terrorist" at the root of the problem ......

But don't worry .... Homeland Security is already on the job... you know your safe!

Yeah right, man made, same as the oceans and sky-LOL

No...it's Bush's fault!

Nope, it's Dick Cheny's fault. He scared the crap outa that mountain.

You are all wrong, it's Al Gore's fault.

What? You guys have already forgotten Tricky Dick?! :)

Office Junkie...very funny, nice! It ain't nobody's fault...they just need to throw another virgin into the volcano.

RT,

Woman hater, or maybe you meant a virgin male... good luck finding one. :)

Actually it's Slick Willie Clinton's fault. Oh, and keep the virgins away from him, the man will nail anything.

Pelosi?

OK, not Pelosi, but any sheep in NZ.

Funny US has no say in how NZ cits business. Ever wonder why they are not considered allies of the USA?

You'd be surprised, just last week someone stole a car here!! Granted, we don't have all those exciting USA-type massacres though.......damn gun laws!!

I saw a story about school kids having a dead possum dressup contest. That must be a distraction from counting sheep.

Hey KiwiPete - If there's any Jarra blow down from this, send me the burls, eh? I'll make you a very nice bowl.

I spent a summer there once, loved it . I even have a brother that was born in Auckland.

You must be one of those I intended to irritate. It's good to see fruition of my efforts sometimes!

funny comments. keep it up, Kornfed. I got family in North Island, reckon they can enjoy it closer than me. I was able to watch the Mt St Helens eruption in 1980, it was pretty interesting. Saw a note on an Italian volcano earlier today (think it was Italian) talking heads were discussing what could happen if it really went, as I guess it is considered a supervolcano. As to Kate - no, nothing exciting.

Does an Italian volcano have an Italian accent?

Are Canada geese Canadian?

Can you cook french fries in a dutch oven?

I found them rather amusing... perhaps you just need to lighten up ?

What this is, is another fulfillment of biblical prophecies. The Lord Jesus Christ is returning soon. When there are disasters in the land, just know that God is speaking to man to turn from their wicked ways and seek Christ before it is too late. We were created to worship God, not to have idols of self, money fame, adultery, fornication, lying and stealing etc. We were created as vessels of honor but yet man has chosen to seek his own way and to defile that relationship that God wants to have with us. We have our own choices to make. Let every man work out their own salvation with fear and trembling. The reason this volcanic event was from God is because is using the elements to cry out to the people of all nations. If you notice, there are more natural disasters now than there have ever been in history especially regarding the fact that they are happening so closely together in time. Were will your heart be found when Christ returns? There is life after death. Will you spend eternity in hell or heaven?

Or it could simply be that we live on a world that has always been prone to natural disasters, as evidenced by history, and that between the active solar cycle, the shifting of tectonic plates and perhaps an effort by nature to repair a bit of damage, there was a volcano eruption. Not every event in this world is the result of your god.

The most ridiculous concept ever perpetrated by H.Sapiens is that the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of the Universes, wants the sacharrine adoration of his creations, that he can be persuaded by their prayers, and becomes petulant if he does not recieve this flattery. Yet this ridiculous notion, without one real shred of evidence to bolster it, has gone on to found one of the oldest, largest and least productive industries in history. [Robert Heinlein]

Hillary Aid money is already on the way!

For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, self-assuming, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, betrayers, headstrong, puffed up [with pride], lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, having a form of godly devotion but proving false to its power; and from these turn away. For from these arise those men who slyly work their way into households and lead as their captives weak women loaded down with sins, led by various desires, always learning and yet never able to come to an accurate knowledge of truth.

Haw haw, you have a purty mouth.

Aaron Burr did it!

Is the fact that a single average sized volcanic eruption puts out more greenhouse gases than man has put out since the start of the industrial revolution.

May I suggest a different information source for you? It appears the one you get your facts from, is completly innacurate.

According to the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS), the world's volcanoes, both on land and undersea, generate about 200 million tons of carbon dioxide (CO2) annually, while our automotive and industrial activities cause some 24 billion tons of CO2 emissions every year worldwide. Despite the arguments to the contrary, the facts speak for themselves: Greenhouse gas emissions from volcanoes comprise less than one percent of those generated by today's human endeavors.

Now post your source for your numbers stating that a single average size volcano can generate more gases than the whole of our species over the past 80+ years.

Why not say, the last Ice Age could have been the result of a super massive volcano, or a closely timed series of big ones. Volcanoes sends up lots of stuff: gases, ash, dust and lots of nature itself which is part of the ecosystem for life on this earth. Our Industrialism are by-products of concentrated forms of certain toxic chemicals clogging the atmosphere.

Saying so--A good natural Ice Age might just be the next best thing Mother Nature can dial up. Cool down all the crap humankind is doing to Earth.

Hot blooded Republicans can be made to become cool and collected like Barrack Obama and Harry Reid, with a good Ice Age Tea.

Okay, I didn't want to get political, but MSU what you say is just not true. Take NYMike's advice and research it. Also, if you're going to be doing some reading, might as well read "Earth in the Balance" by Al Gore. Just read it first before you reflexly criticize Mr Gore. He is a very smart man and was quite a visionary in that book.

MWU-1401492 apparently gets his facts from the Limbag, an authority on greenhouse gas emissions. That report would include water vapor, which is removed from the atmosphere in a couple of months. Its the CO2 that actually matters, so in the end, if you're concerned about global warming its the USGS report (above) that has merit.

...and we should take a man who has a picture of Stimpy as his avatar seriously for WHAT reason now, COinFL? At least be having a sense of sympathy like megablessed80 and Violet - 3543066 have or actually try to put up a decent running gag like Kornfed and several others have done, okay? Thank you.

...and we should take a man who has a picture of Stimpy as his avatar seriously for WHAT reason now, COinFL?

Judge a book by it's cover all you want.

It's very telling of your character.

Do the Earth’s volcanoes emit more CO₂ than human activities? Research findings indicate that the answer to this frequently asked question is a clear and unequivocal, “No.” Human activities, responsible for a projected 35 billion metric tons (gigatons) of CO₂ emissions in 2010 (Friedlingstein et al., 2010), release an amount of CO₂ that dwarfs the annual CO₂ emissions of all the world’s degassing subaerial and submarine volcanoes (Gerlach, 2011).

The published estimates of the global CO₂ emission rate for all degassing subaerial (on land) and submarine volcanoes lie in a range from 0.13 gigaton to 0.44 gigaton per year (Gerlach, 1991; Varekamp et al., 1992; Allard, 1992; Sano and Williams, 1996; Marty and Tolstikhin, 1998). The preferred global estimates of the authors of these studies range from about 0.15 to 0.26 gigaton per year. The 35-gigaton projected anthropogenic CO₂ emission for 2010 is about 80 to 270 times larger than the respective maximum and minimum annual global volcanic CO₂ emission estimates. It is 135 times larger than the highest preferred global volcanic CO₂ estimate of 0.26 gigaton per year (Marty and Tolstikhin, 1998).

http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/hazards/gas/climate.php

so MSU, what's your source ?

humans=35 billions tons per year

volcanoes= 0.13-0.44 billion tons per year

do the math (if you can)

Apparently Stimpy has more brains than MSU.

What are they gonna do? Steal their neighbor's provisions? Become the dictator of the block?

Beats me. Should be fun to watch. Acquaintance from work believes all this stuff. He started stocking up on dry food, guns, ammo, water before the great calamity of Y2K. Renews his fears with every new expected calamity.

Instead of stocking up on ammo (which you can't eat) it would probably be much more sane to plant large gardens of potatos, carrots, radishes, etc. Just don't put everything in neat little rows making it too obvious.

COinFL

Instead of stocking up on ammo (which you can't eat) it would probably be much more sane to plant large gardens of potatos, carrots, radishes, etc. Just don't put everything in neat little rows making it too obvious.

If you have enough ammo, you can get all the carrots you want.

survivability drops to zero with enough encounters with other people. seeds are much more important than guns. when the bullets run out, then you still don't know how to grow, and intimidation doesn't work anymore.

Greetings, Denver Bill. "if you have enough ammo, you can get all the carrots you want".

But that would be wrong (as in not the right thing to do).

My point is that if there ever is a major catastrophe, all grocery stores would be emptied in less than a day. Only people who know how to identify edible plants (and there are few) would be any threat. Also, I once lived in Denver. I know lots of people there. Many think that if they needed to, they could just go into the mountains and shoot deer, elk, and whatever else to survive. The problem is that so many people have that as their back-up plan that it would probably be only a couple of weeks before every four-legged critter would be dead. Guns would be going off all around.

By the way, do you live in Denver? How's the drought affecting things? Does the Platte still have normal water in it? Ever camp/hike in Lost Creek Wilderness? Holy Cross Wilderness? (the mosquitos there will get you). Crater Lake?

Man, there's a lot of things I miss about Colorado.

COinFL,

Of course it's wrong. My posts tend toward throw away one-liners, though (soft trolling, if you will). Thed answer to your questions:

Yes, I live in Denver, although I travel all over the country to work. The drought is affecting the eastern plains, severely in the southeast (but it's gonna be good for the Rocky Ford cantaloupes). The Platte is low, primarily due to the early heat that accelerated the snow melt. I've never hiked or camped in Lost Creek Wilderness. I tend to go farther north and/or west. I have hiked and camped in Holy Cross Wilderness and all along the Divide. I've not been to Crater Lake, but many other spots in the Indian Peaks area. I love Colorado. C'mon back.

Thanks for the reply. I don't think I'll ever permanently get back to Colorado, however. I moved to Florida to take care of my parents in their last days. Down here I met my current wife. Then times got tough. We moved to her home town (think roughly in the center of the state) because she was offered a great job by an old acquaintance. I thought it was a good move for me also, because Obama had just designated billions in stimulus for a high-speed rail line between Tampa and Orlando, and since I'm a commercial electrician, I was seeing years of good work within a 50 mile driving radius. Then our a**h**e of a governor, Rick Scott, rejected the federal money (about the same time we had finished unpacking). We(people here in central Florida) really could have used it. Don't think for a second that the unemployment rate here in Florida is going down. That's just statistics; a whole lot of people are not being counted. I would peg the true unemployment rate here at not less than 20%. I hate Rick Scott.

So, I am a Colorado mountain man (once spent two months primitive camping above 9,000 feet) now living inthe swamps of Florida. I try to get outside but I'll tell you that the snakes and gators scare me more than bears and mountain lions ever did.

But I love my wife. She understands me more than any person ever has before. I've tried to convince her that Colorado is the place to be, but she's scared of the cold. (I know, it's really not that cold, and you can always wear layers). For now, we are staying here. She's got her great job, and I've got my crappy job to go to tomorrow.

By the way, one of my hobbies is identifying wild edibles, but I also have my share of guns and ammo here. Met a lot of those good ole boy rednecks too. Some are now good friends. Some don't understand me at all. But you know what? If they came to take my carrots they would meet lead. I think we may have argued on other threads before, but it seems we're really not that different.

Thanks for the polite response.

Denver Bill & COinFL,

Really good posts. Thanks for the tour and some smiles.

@rwalker - 2504195, "Survivability drops to zero with enough encounters with other people. Seeds are much more important than guns. When the bullets run out, then you still don't know how to grow, and intimidation doesn't work anymore." Yeah, sure, right, and if you do not have to worry about the human pests, then there are always the pests of the animal kingdom to worry about when you grow your seeds and raise your lifestock. I am sorry but a TRUE survivalist MUST own both weapons (guns and ammunition included) AND gardening and farming skills and suppiles, period.

If Yellowstone were to blow, it would destroy any chance at farmland for over 100 miles. I looked into it a while back out of morbid curiosity. I don't recall all the details, but the majority of the US wouldn't be a good place to try to stay between the ash fallout and the resulting cloud cover. Don't forget too that many water sources would be unusable, which is probably one of the greatest concerns people overlook.

We would eventually like to have enough food and water to survive 3 months, and ammo to go along with it (not just for defense, I swear the number of rabbits in our area could feed the entire neighborhood for 2 weeks!). I was raised by grandparents who survived the depression, and they always had a good stock of food "just in case". Being raised as such, I always have done the same - and have discovered in the economy of the past few years just how important that is!

I won't argue with that, but you have to admit that seeds are far more important. secondly would be staying away from other people. thirdly would be protecting what you have from animals and people.

"They"? You mean you're not one of us? Now I really am scared!

Hey Mikie ! Getting ready for the 18 meter Greenland Ice surge tsunami...Kowabonga !