The country's biggest city, Aleppo, has been under attack for two weeks and the rebels are dangerously close to running out of weapons. Now Riad Hijab, the first Syrian cabinet minister to defect, has fled the country. NBC's Richard Engel reports.

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Syrian President Bashar al-Assad
The State Department and the Pentagon are jointly working on plans for a post-President Bashar Assad Syria.
They hope to avoid the kind of implosion they believe occurred because of a lack of planning for post-Saddam Iraq.
The Bush administration's decision to disband Iraqi security forces, made shortly after the U.S.-led invasion in 2003, was a catalyst for the bloody civil war that followed.
Critics said that decision, made by senior Pentagon officials and announced by the head of the U.S. occupation authority at the time, Paul Bremer, set loose tens of thousands of armed, disaffected young men.
The U.S. is indicating to the Syrian army that it does not want it to dissolve and those not directly involved in atrocities could be part of a successor regime.
State Department Spokesman Patrick Ventrell said at a daily press briefing Monday:
"What we’re focused on and our concern is that as the opposition comes together with the remaining elements of the regime that don’t have blood on their hands, that they create an inclusive Syria where the rights of all Syrians are respected. And so that’s our focus and that’s what we’re directly communicating to the opposition, and that’s certainly where our feelings are."
U.S. officials also hope that civil servants and other Assad holdovers will work with an interim government to avoid the kind of vacuum that led to widespread civil disorder, looting, and ultimately to civil war in Iraq.
Related: Official: Syria PM defects to anti-Assad opposition
Officials believe it is only a matter of time before Assad is gone, one way or another -- although they can't predict when.
Deputy Secretary of State William Burns, a veteran in Middle East affairs, is in charge of the planning.

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An activist takes a photo of buildings damaged by what activists say is shelling by forces loyal to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, in Talbeiseh, near Homs, on Monday.
He is assisted by U.S. Ambassador to Syria Robert Ford, who had returned to Washington after diplomatic operations in Damascus were suspended in February.
Last week, Ford talked with Syria opposition leaders in Cairo.
Burns' schedule includes two White House meetings Tuesday, likely indicating more inter-agency planning on the Syria crisis.
Related: Three US senators warn about risks of inaction in Syria
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, traveling in South Africa on Monday, announced a day earlier that she will add a stop in Turkey to her overseas trip for meetings with Prime Minister Recip Tayyip Erdogan on the Syria crisis.
Part of the U.S. planning includes Pentagon contingency plans for NATO and Syria's neighbors to help provide transportation, food and medical supplies to a potential flood of refugees -- well beyond the current numbers -- in case there is a total collapse of the Syrian regime.
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A key component of the post-Assad plan: pressing the occupation not to inflict reprisals against Assad loyalists after he goes.
"When we talk to the opposition we’re very clear ... revenge or reprisals are totally unacceptable," Ventrell said Monday.
Clashes raged between rebel fighters and government forces in Syria as the country's divided opposition seeks to oust Assad in a 16-month-old revolt that shows no signs of nearing a conclusion.
Government forces have been pounding rebels with tanks and air strikes, and last week Damascus threatened to use chemical weapons if foreign countries intervened in the conflict.
The Obama administration has said it is stepping up assistance to Syrian opposition members, although the support has remained limited to non-lethal equipment.
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Interesting headline. Makes it seem we Americans feel it's our decision what happens to their country.
But that can't be... we've never done anything like that before.
Who would you rather assist them after the government switches hands? Russia? China? Someone will step in and fill the vacuum. Anyway, who's shocked anymore when the U.S. steps in? With Obama in charge, it's a lot less alarming than with Bush/Cheney, for example. I don't think you should start drawing comparisons between Syria and Iraq yet.
Translation: Folks, get ready for yet ANOTHER useless, pathetic, and asinine quagmire we'll sink into - just like Iraq, Vietnam and Afghanistan - where more of our fine soldiers will fight and die for NOTHING. We're on a roll here folks, can't break the Imperialist momentum, now can we????????
After all, our CIA has just been sent in to help the al Quaeda terrorists..............ahem...........*cough*...........excuse me, "rebels"...... sorry about that.
Soooooooo, what's the harm in a "little humanitarian assistance"?? I mean, what in Christ's name could POSSIBLY go wrong, eh folks?????
*Face Palm- arms up in the air*
I didn't know that Syria was to be our 51st State.
I don't think obama is up to that task. This makes me a little nervous.... have we already forgotten what happened in Egypt?
The evidence is there.... this administration can't keep our country from sliding down the economic ladder, let's don't meddle in Syria!
Like we're in control of what happens over there. I smell politics.
Bill T from USA -- The Republicans are deliberately obstructing anything that could help the economy in an effort to convince people like you to vote for them in November, and you're falling for it. Obama's more than up to the task if he doesn't have to deal with Boehner and McConnell.
In Agreement; i could hear you laughing as you typed that.
Does that mean America owns Syria?
You couldn't be more wrong with that statement!
"It has been covered extensively that the campaign against Syria began as early as 2007, during the Bush administration. With this list of signatories (at bottom), which also includes Paula Dobriansky, Max Boot,
Eric Edelman, William Kristol, and Danielle Pletka, we literally have 2007′s agenda coming full circle, and leaving us at the doorstep of war with Iran. In essence, our so-called Democratic, progressive-liberal President Obama, is fighting our so-called Republican Neo-Conservative former-President Bush's wars. Wars plural, because Libya was also on the long list of nations targeted by the Neo-Conservatives – and was also the subject of a letter to President Obama (and one to House Republicans) urging him to intervene militarily – which the US did."
Eventually, Israel will get their wish!!!
http://www.infowars.com/in-syria-obama-fights-bushs-wars/
There are lots of FACTS out there, just google them.
Steve Sjuret -- Like catching fish in a barrel.
lnhoe22459, that the US "plans" to keep Syria intact?? Exactly my first thought. Like we have anything to say about it with no military presence or any business in general there. I am pro-american as they get but that statement hit me as arrogant. Let's stay out of this as we don't need to stick our nose in this.....
So the United States is making plans to keep intact an artificial country that was created after World War I so that the French could share in the spoils when the Ottoman Empire was broken up. Nice.
We need to stay the hell out of Syria. Pretty arrogant to think we can dictate anything to the Syrians anyway.
Well since Iran is sending forces to fight on behalf of the Assad regime against the rebels and Putin is sending naval warships and Russian marines to Syria as a show of support for Assad, I guess that little off mic incident with Obama and Putin means all deals are off now?
But the rebels are no friends of freedom. Should they topple the Assad regime and seize control, we could see a repeat of the Egyptian revolution last year where Radical Islamic jihadists end up gaining control of the country.
Bravo Barry, BRAVO!
Gil- where have you been for the last 60 years? Israel is our 51st state, we give them $60 billion a year, more than we give our other 50 states. And you want to talk welfare queens, they have unlimited unemployment in Israel, you can collect unemployment from the day you turn 18 until the day you die without ever having had or job or ever having to look for a job, all thanks to the American tax payers, we work so they don't have to. Syria will just be another Puerto Rico or American Samoa, you know, a red headed step child, we will suck natural resources from them and use their people as cheap (slave) labor but they will get none of the benefits of being a state, like bridges to nowhere and those fun things.
lol Am I the only person who thinks this guy looks like he could be Hitlers grandson??????? lmfao
What? This is like waking up and finding Al Haig is in charge.
Bill T from USA, is that based on how well Bush did in Iraq and Afghanistan?
We are never going to learn. Is Syria next door to the US? No it is next door to our NATO ally Turkey.
Was Syria a former US colony? No it was a colony of France.
Was Syria a ally of the US? No they are allies of Russia, Hezbollah and Hamas.
Is it our problem? NO! Here's the deal you want our help? We want a peace treaty with Israel and all the chemical weapons. Along with any radioactive material and Alois Brunner (dead or alive).
I was watching on RT-News a clip from an imbeded journalist. The journalist who was from some no name name European news agency was with the rebels who had taken over a section of the city of Aleppo. The "rebels" were walking through town and threatening anyone they felt was violating strict sharia law. They struck a woman without a scarf in the head with the butt of a AK. They also executed a man they said was a government sympathizer but from the video it looked more like he just wasn't one of them.
Not that I am by any means an Assad fan, but imagine if these guys get ahold of the chemical weapons stocked in Syria. Our 9-11 would seem like child's play if some chemical weapons attacks occured within our borders. I'd be happy for Assad to fall but when these guys take over they are not likely to be interested in us as allies and they are likely to set up another extremist state more similar to Iran or Taliban Afghanistan than to even Lybia.
Let Syria handle their own problems. We have NO business even hinting at "what we want" to happen over there, any more than Syria has any business telling us how "They would like a "post Obama" USA to be run...........!!!!!!!!!!!!
did the writer say Bush created the civil war in Iraq? omg, could that actually be? That "implosion was planed and executed by companies like AGIES at the request of the Bush brigade of scull and bones people. Most people never got to see the video of our mercenaries shooting into crowds and at motorists to start the war against our troops. I'll bet you dont remember the video on the news of Iraqi people burning a bunch of guys in black uniforms and hanging them from a lamp post. they where the mercenaries that got caught. so dont worry, bush is no longer in command so Syria wont implode. Unless Romney wins the election.
How is it that the USA wishes to support the extremist rebels/terrorists backed by Saudi Arabia etc....sounds like a terrible situation to be in. Another Egypt and Irag is in the works, should US continue to give aids to the rebels. The rebels will institute Sharia Law. what progressiion and freedom for the Syrians. Are you a fool?
Where the hell does Obama come off thinking that the US is in any position to dictate what happens in Syria if and when Assad falls. I Obama preparing to occupy the country to enforce his vision for Syria on the people there?!?! If so then that is no different than Assad. If not, then how does Obama plan on implementing his vision for a post Assad Syria. The US can say that aid is dependent on certain conditions, but that will not carry much weight. Aside from the fact that many people in that region want nothing to do with US aid, there are other countries in the Arab world that will provide aid in return for some influence. Also, Russia and China will be more than happy to provide large amounts of aid in return for trying to maintain even a shred of influence in a post Assad Syria and it is doubtful that they would place many strings on the aid beyond their own interests. What it comes down to is that is the people of Syria want to divide up their country along ethnic or religious lines, that is their choice and there is little anyone can do about it. It is also a given that there will be retaliation against senior members of the Assad regime and nothing any othe country says is going to prevent that. There is no way these so called rebels are going to allow Assad's cronies to continue on in their positions in the government. You will see moves like what is going on in Egypt right now and hat has alreay happened in Libya where the winners will purge all remnants of the old regime. The parliament in Egypt, under the control of the Muslim Brotherhood (who by the way is backing many of the rebels in Syria) even went so far as to pass a law banning any members of the old regime from running for office in the new govrnment. The military, through the Egyptian courts had the law thrown out, but it remains to be seen what happens now that the MB's stooge Morsi is the president. In any case, no one but the people in Syria are going to control what happens in Syria.
The US has no business interfering in the internal affairs of another sovereign nation and it is complete arrogance for Obama to make these statements.
Unbelievable. The arrogance is stupifying. Has anyone asked the Syrian people about any of this? Who the hell does Obomber think he is? Bush 2.0? The hypocrite has gone too far.
So sorry but the entire Syrian 'revolution' was a set-up. Interesting to watch the dominoes falling. Seems Obama is following the same failed policies of his predecessor, let's get all those 'evil dictators' and ring in 'freedom and democracy.' Except what is going to happen is another puppet government, radical Islamists will run the show and if Obama's administration really think they're going to control anything 'behind the scenes' as it were, boy are they in for an unpleasant shock. Perhaps Obama really is a Muslim, that is the only thing that explains allowing radical Islam to take hold in the Middle East. It's certainly not in the best interests of Western civilization for such people to gain control.
Now we have chemical and biological weapons caches. Great. So, guess we can look forward to a terrorist attack using said weapons.
The Ottoman empire may just reform under the MB, and become even larger and more radical, can you imagine a attitude like Afghanistan covering over 25% 0f the globe, having tenticles reaching to all nations? look at what is going on they have the ME, North Africa, Persia, Southern Asia, large parts of Indo China, the Philippines, and branching into all western countries, America and Canada included, not to mention they are heading south into other regions of Africa and heading north towards Russia, you might want to add Australia to the list don't know to much about south Americas Muslim population but give them a little time and they will be there as well, and when their populations grow so will their demands, I personally don't think they need our help. they are progressing just fine without help from us. all the liberals are going to have to learn how to behave more ultra conservatively. one at a time they are just like us they will drink all your booze, two at a time they wont touch a drop, and they will gang up on you for being evil. they will resort back to their old ways, they have no choice its do or die. its the Muslim way or no way at all.
Bush? Cheney ..lie into war in Iraq. No plan except to make war profits from it. Sadaam captured. Weapons free for the taking by terrorists and Iraq war profiteers which allowed all the weapons and ammo to be later used against the U.S..........Bush Cheney...NO PLAN ....thousands of U.S. Troops klilled and wounded because of typical repub chicken hawks.
Obama plan for smooth transition in Syria that will benifit U.S. interests. So he should not plan like repubs and screw up the country to make matters worse? No plan like repubs?.......I think we learned from repubs mistakes. Repubs only have plan to take the U.S. Over for the greedy rich!
Obama/Biden and team America for a safer United States. 2012
Does anybody think that Russia and Iran will just sit back while the US has its way in Syria? The reason the police etc were let go in Iraq is because the US did not know who to trust and wanted to start over with those they chose. Naive, and stupid. We also thought there were a few leaders that would step up which there were not since SH had any potential replacement killed. I agree a vacuum was created and chaos took over. So now there is a government that apparently not many like, and the relationship between the US and Iraq is lousy. Meanwhile, our relationship with Egypt also stinks. They wouldn't even speak with Hillary. Polls taken say those Arab nations hate the US more than ever especially Pakistan no matter how much money we have given to them. Money comes with demands from the US which is precisely the problem.
This article is arrogant.
Actually, he didn't. What the writer said was:
But don't let that stop you from spouting the party's propaganda and twisted half-truths. We're used to it after 3 and a half years.
Obama makes for a greater Islamic fundamentalist state. Rebels having access to stockpiled chemical and biological weapons will make the US safer? What you drinking?
Obama the warmonger.
Unbelievable.....Heck, this "Administration" certainly let things go to H*** in a handbasket in the rest of the "Arab Spring" countries (Egypt is a prime example) and they are EXPECTING to DETERMINE what happens in Syria IF Assad is shown the door (if he makes it that far). Heck, this "Administration" can't even take care of DOMESTIC issues.
Wow, and Mr. Obama is patting himself on the back for HIS International FAILED Policies.
Mr. Obama and his Liberal Cabinet members THINK they are ABOVE, WAY ABOVE, THE REST OF AMERICANS and the World.
Mr. Obama: RETURN YOUR DAD GUM PEACE PRIZE.
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Obama delivering Syria to the Muslim Brotherhood on a silver platter. Gotta take care of his bros.
Turkey wants US explicitly state that a Kurdish state in Northern Syria will not be allowed. This is where it is going.
Mike wrote:
For weeks now, CBS has been leading the cheers on their national news broadcasts for intervention in Syria on behalf of the "rebels" and against the regime there. Finally, tonight, even they went off-script and reported on a massacre of civilians in Aleppo perpetrated by the rebels. How could they not since it happened right in front of their cameras. The rebels corralled 20 or more civilians into a room just off the street and murdered them right there with AK-47s, blasting away until they were all dead. Of course CBS didn't show any of the gore but it was very clear what was going to happen, and then what happened. Murder in broad daylight. There wasn't even a chance to try twisting it into something advantageous to the rebels as the media try so often to do in every other case. Just a cold-blooded massacre. No other atrocity in Syria has been so crystal clear about what happened and by whom. You can bet if this is happening with journalists around that it is 10 times worse when they're not around. These are the people our government is backing to take over from the present regime, once again -- as in Libya and Egypt -- replacing bad with worse and *hoping* that holding an election after all the carnage will make everything better. Feckless Idiocy!
Sigh... Helping Syria won't be as... "clean"... as helping Libya.
At least Obama is at the helm, and not Jr.
Don't even want to think about what Ramenie would do in this situation.
Romney would mind his own business! The arrogance of
ObamaMichelle and Valerie is astounding!THINK PEOPLE!!!! Election day is around the corner!!
Face it Bush/Cheney screwed up in Iraq. Disbanding the army, police and civil servants led to 10 years of war for us. President Obama is smart enough to learn from Bush's mistakes and try to avoid their screw-ups. Thank God!
Let me see, we did not do much at all to help the Syrians when we could have done so to make a favorable impression. Now who in their right mind would think that they would have anything to do with us? Except take out foreign aid and screw us with it like so many countries have. Another typical screw up from the USA.
Yep, get ready fellow taxpayers to shoulder more debt burden in the world that we didn't vote for. Notice no other countries are willing to chip in- that's because we each have an invisible stamp on our foreheads that reads "Sucker".
Did they do them in Libya, Egypt and other places?
In Iraq, after two wars, it was a disaster.
Slowly, these idiots are agreeing that Iraq is heading for bloody civil wars!
Do they know what they are talking and doing?
By removing Sadam, see the boost Sunni Saudi radicals and millitants have got.
Followers of Islamic cult, especially Sunni Saudi inspired Islamic radicals and militants (al-Qaida, Salaffi, Wahhabi, MB and other label ones), are fast marching backwards to their seventh century desert tribal days.
They are indulging in rapings, lootings, killings and genocides of non-Muslims (Darfur, S. Sudan, Nigeria and spreading like wild fire in many regions and Muslims (Mali, Iraq, Syria, Pakistan, Afghanistan and other places.
Sunni Saudi backed Salaffi and MB new chapters are opening up in Egypt. Just watch the fate of Christians, women and Israel as the time goes by.
Even in Syria, if Assad is overthrown by Sunni Islamic religious Nazis like al-Qaida, MB, the conditions of Christians will be unbearable just like Iraq.
If Sadam was there he would have kept these people under check.
Please correct "Sadam" as "Saddam".
Its Syria's job and decision, syrians can do whatever they want with their post-Assad country. Why do we always have to meddle. NOT OUR COUNTRY, NOT OUR BUSINESS.
How would we feel if Syrian headlines said "Syria plans to (insert a statement about our army here) USA".
All you little posters wanting to bring up Bush had better take notice. While you make excuses by playing the blame game, your hero is pulling the rug out from under you. Are you so naive that you think somehow Obama can control things? He might control the mindless followers, but when it comes to the real world and radical terrorists controlling a country, he don't control squat. If you want more war in the middle east, greater terrorism and hideous living conditions then Obama is indeed your guy.
Making excuses accomplishes what? It allows for really bad things to continue and grow worse.
"US makes plans to keep post-Assad Syria intact"
How freakin' arrogant can a country be. I mean look at all that is implied by that one sentence. Can you imagine another country saying that about the U.S. America has become BLINDED and has lost its way as a citizen of this world. I will not be surprised when other countries conspire against us.
This is TYPICAL OBAMA-SPEAK.....are you kidding me ?......the U.S. can't "plan" anything, this country can't even get our own murder rate under control, can't stop the flow of illegal immigrants from flooding into our country.....and can't even slow the flow of drugs across our sieve-like borders.....this President's arrogance knows no bounds; I truly hope that we are able to last at least 92 more days and then can start to repair the damage......both here....and abroad.....God help us
A handful of pimples dictate policy
The american people (key word is people) don't want war or mingling in others affairs
And yet it continues
Under the guise of patriotism and honor
And hiding behind the skirt of the constitution.
The flag has touched the ground and today (the key word is TODAY) it is no longer "we the people"
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you know why they don't draft old er @!$%#ers like me?
because when that west point spoon tells me to take that hill
with his little pink balls in his throat
Ill kill him twice before he has a chance to piss his pants
That's why,and that's the truth.
The king never does his own killing
And he doesn't give a @!$%# about "that" hill
The king and his court picks them by whim and the wind
You see if the younger men don't have a hill
They'll find one
The right one
Then Ill be that old er busted up
guard ant on the side of the trail
with forty percent of my artillery
But a good 40 it is
That's when and not before
Sigh.
Jimmy:
1) Murder rate is lower than ever
2) Net illegal immigrant migration: Zero. There are more leaving than coming now.
I'll give you the drugs thing overall, but pot trafficking is actually down thanks to the legal medical marijuana laws.
Gee thanks. That's real big of Uncle Sammy.
After we've ripped their society apart (we and Israel and our allies around the gulf that is) we've decided to be big about it. Probably the real reason is it would be harder to monopolize the oil resources if the country were split into warring sections.
You can tell from this how "spontaneous" this uprising has been and how much the "rebels" are running the show.
Yup.
How many of our soldiers must die to placate this megalomaniac that is Obama.
jimmy has a plan...only jimmy can save the world....jimmy can stop illegal aliens, jimmy can lower the murder rate, jimmy not arrogant, jimmy is superman, able to leap off buildings in a single bound(once), jimmy able to leap in front of speeding locomotives (once), able to stand in front of speedy bullet(once). Vote jimmy for god. Only Jimmy has all the answers. How did repubs miss picking jimmy for their candidate? Oh...jimmy tell us your plans.....Oh...you don't have any?....Nevermind!
The media does a damn fine job of keeping our thoughts somewhere other then where they ought to be, we are all looking across the ocean while the real enemy is right in our living room. people should pay more attention.
The U.S. is planning for a post Assad Syria but the US isn't the only country in the world that is planning for that! Its not like Syria is going to disappear and its not like its going to be the same after the war, and whichever side wins in the civil war will turn to the world for help to rebuild. The US isn't making a decision on anything, only following The Syrian peoples call for Assad to step down, Just like Russia is calling for Assad to stay in power, so why not go and pick on the Russians why don't you?
@yak/@starsailing.......
To both of you, listen up; it's REAL EASY to blame others for the failings of the ANNOINTED ONE; from the Roman pillars at his coronation, to the missing-in-action (MIA) results of the obviously defunct Jobs Council.....this last four (4) years has been one 3 card monty game after another....blame Jimmy if that makes you feel better, but this country is going to hell in a henbasket, and policy after policy, program after program has been put on an imaginary credit card.....time to pay up, and this Syrian headline tells you all you need to know..."America plans Syria's next move".....go to hell, both of you.
The Middle East is the Land of da Devil. The U S should just stay out of there. They will never have Peace.
Why do all the Middle Eastern women have to dress up like “Cousin It”?
Hopefully there will come a day when we can tell them to “Drink their Oil and Eat their Sand”.
Remember Republicans, when these Foreign Countries ask for Aid and Funding….just say No.
Cut off all Funding to Foreign Countries, especially Pakistan. Why are we giving them Billions of $$$$$$ just to be our “Little Friend”? Did they Apologize for Hiding Out Bin Laden?
You Bet Cha….Fer Sure
Best comment yet!
Well, the first time you have posted anything that makes sense. Kudos to you 1 time.
Right Right And the Republican President will do the same thing and we all will say, well, maybe in another 4 years.
I'm hopeful for a third party. The other two parties spent all the money and racked up the credit cards to the MAX!
nooo.... just bush...Obama never wanted to...but its hard to ignor the bills left on the desk, when the criminal left town...
BS don't forget Nancy Pelosis little game that led to this mess along with the Democrats in control of the house. you want to cast blame then cast it in the right direction Bush was president but the Democrats were running the show. now stay out of the ME.
We need to Pass a New Law: Lets call it “Da Dick Cheney” Law.
For Any Future Wars or Invasions: All Politicians have to send a Son or Daughter to the Front Line. If it is Truly something that we have to do, they should have no problem with that.
Do ya know what is Really Irresponsible? Invading Countries, Policing da World at the U.S. Taxpayer Expense, and giving away Billions of $$$$$$$$ to Foreign Countries like Pakistan …just to be “Our Little Friend”.
You Bet Cha…….Fer Sure.
OF -- Obama hasn't declared war on anyone. You're confused. In the future, maybe Mitt Romney's sons would like to help as they're of age, unlike Obama's young daughters. Maybe GWB's daughters would like to volunteer since GWB started two wars. By singling out Obama's daughters, I think you've shown your bias.
I bet Mitt's kids made sure they did their 2 years for their church, but they couldn't bother to serve their country.
Hell,even Palin's kid served.
Bet you didn't serve.
A 1/11 13th MEU (SOC) Somalia
Now when and with who did you serve????
Probably the same as Mitt's kids
1st mormon chasing french girls ass batallion
You got spanked Tony and deservedly so. Right-winger mistake #235: Assuming liberals never served.
Left leaner mistake #34,690 forgetting your past two presidents never served. Hell, they couldn't even figure out how to salute.
America needs John Wayne.
Modern day Democrats don't serve, why should they no one in their right mind would follow one.
@Angry Left,
That comeback was awesome and thanks for your service.
BTW- Nice avatar
How come every time the Moderator asked the Republican and TeaBilly Candidates their Ideas for the Economy and Jobs …all ya heard was Crickets Chirping? You Bet Cha…Fer Sure.
Then all of a sudden they say, “Let’ Spend Billions on da Middle East”?
I knew it was too good to be true. Back to your basement.
Right. They sit and there and scream: "We need to cut our deficits!
Our answer: Tax cuts for the rich and stupid wars!"
You think people would have learned after the Bush clown car not to fall for this crap.
Um, it is Obama doing this, repeat after me, Obama. He is a democrat. He is an arrogant democrat who thinks there is something he can control in Syria. He is a stupid democrat if he really believes that. I don't understand how, after three and a half years, you democrats still think that Bush is president. Perhaps it's because you have Obama pulling yet another Bush?
mygril1; Don't waste your time trying to explain to a liberal Democrat what is going on they need to be submitted to their programming session before giving a direct response with any degree of accuracy and they don't have a program for commonsense politics, so all you will get is name calling and stupid comments. if you remember when Bush went to war all the Dems were on the side that OK'ed it, and when the economy collapsed it was when the Dem's controlled the house, they are all to blame Bush accepts responsibility the others simply wont, and Pelosi never will admit her involvement when she and Barney lied to the president about the housing problem, it amazes me that those people go untouched, the rest of the problems go back to slick Willies term.
Well, John McCain thinks the exact same way but yes Hillary and Barack and the present admin are arrogantly pursuing the same basic GW Bush chimera of imposing freedom and democracy on the Middle East no matter what the cost and whether the people there want it (or are ready for it) or not. Then, once an election is held, they hoist the "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" banner and move on to the next country.
But look at Libya now, worse off than ever, still in chaos and violence. Look at Egypt, handed over to the Muslim Brotherhood , economy in a shambles, crime sky-high, and tensions on a knife's edge. Authoritarian governments toppled does NOT mean MISSION ACCOMPLISHED, even if an election is managed afterward.
The track record is very clear by now: everywhere we've intervened, life is worse for the people in that country and the government no more enlightened or effective. In fact Libya has hardly any governing authority at all as factions fight violently for control of various areas. Egypt is in danger of becoming a Sunni version of the next Iranian-style theocracy, with miserable consequences. The country we intervened the least in, Tunisia, is faring the best so far though the Islamists are trying hard to consolidate there too. And now Syria!
Our international policy boils down to replacing bad with worse in the middle east, no matter the cost so long as an election is helf afterward. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
Every time Dick Cheney hears da word “Invasion”…..he gets a “Boehner”. You Bet Cha…Fer Sure.
He gets orgasmic when he hears, "No, we're a peaceful planet. We have no weapons!"
Huh? This might be news that would interest the Syrians. Are they looking for our stamp of approval?
I am assuming that the US stood back and watched this horrific crisis unfold without assistance to the rebels (I am assuming) because of agreements with Russia or some other reason we will never know and now they want to dictate terms (again with some secret deal with the russians or china) are they crazy. I was simply speechless after reading this why would they think that they have any credibility in this matter. Crazy freaking americans
If you can stop flagellating yourself for a minute for being an American (I assume), think about it. If we openly got involved, that would have started all kinds of crises with other countries. However, recently it was in the news that Obama had approved non-military help to Syrian rebels. Think about Obama's planning in getting bin Laden -- it didn't happen overnight but it was done right and I'll bet he and his staff have had plans for quite a while for a change in the Syrian government. It's also possible the Syrians will welcome our help; it's too soon to tell yet as we don't know the whole story.
What right do we have to dictate any terms in a foreign sovereign nation?
In Agreement: I guess you didn't hear about Secretary of State Clinton's reservations about arming, in Syria, the same guys our boys are fighting in Pakistan and Afghanistan?
This is schizophrenic foreign policy. One can only hope Obama will lose and go back to local activism; something more suited to his level of incompetence.
jukkou -- When you claim incompetence for Obama and then completely ignore the Iraq war Cheney started with GWB's approval, you've shown you're hopelessly biased and there's nothing I can say that you'll listen to. By the way, and as a waste of time, I'll repeat that the news article said Obama had approved Non-Military aid to Syrian rebels.
In agreement, check out how many dems were behind the Iraq war; it was bi-partisan.
Steve -- I don't think the blame is with only the Republicans, but I do think the White House withheld information from Congress that became known only later after the war started. After all, an insider like Colin Powell went before the U.N. and gave false information, so I think many people were deliberately misled and it's the Repubs who are unwilling to admit blame and when they complain about the cost, they blame Obama, of all people, who ended the war. And I do think Cheney/Bush took advantage of the 9/11 crisis and the patriotism that followed to convince the country that invading Iraq was the right thing to do. And I remember their saying the Iraq war wouldn't cost more than the initial $300 million they asked for, and Iran's oil would pay for the rest. Ha!!!
I have never believed for one minute that the USA has not been involved somehow with Syria. We learned in the last world war how well it works to ignore wars on the other side of the world. We learned it again with 9/11.
Boy that Bush was some kind of smart guy. He fooled Democrats,the Brits,the Poles and about 40 other nations. Either that or the Democrats and the rest of the World were fools.
Correction to # 8.5, last line, "Iraq's" oil, not "Iran's" oil. That typo gave my comment a meaning that I didn't intend.
Steve...............Well documented....BUSH LIED TO DEMS AND REPUBLICANS BOTH. Bush and Cheney lied to america to start war for profit for Haliburton and for Bush to be known as war president, "because war presidents are remembered." Don't emabarrass yourself anymore on the subject. You need to stop spin or do search on Bush lies nation into Iraq war. You will be reading for days. Don't make me stop the car and pull over, I mean it ! Bush even admitted it on Face the Nation. There were no WMD's.
lets skip the whole story, the ending is all I care about.
Well, how about that. An administration that thinks ahead and plans for all contingencies. Who'd a thunk it?
Why don't we just Bomb Syria with Sarah Palin Books?
You BetCha....Fer Sure.
Well it's comforting to know that we're in charge of things over there. I was beginning to get worried.
Wesley Clark, 7 countries in 5 years... The prophecy is foretold!
Gentlemen, hold on to your wallets; ladies clutch that Coach bag, it's green bloodletting time again. You damn right well know we will be giving millions if not billions to Syria. When the hell does it stop? First, we have no business interfering in foreign countries affairs. Second, the taxpayers should not have to finance the new Syria. If the government would re-direct just some of the aid we provide and put it in social security and pay down the debt, we'd all have a better life. WTF are our lawmakers thinking? BTW, what do you think?
So lets see............we have Major Problems going on in the U.S...........Unemployment, Debt, Forecloseures , Health Care Crisis and on and on. Politicians raising Hundreds of Millions of Dollars for their Corrupt Campaigns and no Money to help solve these Problems. Yet......we have Billions to give away to da Middle East.
makes one want to vomit does it not??
And just making things worse to boot. We are supporting the worst kinds of Islamic reactionaries [i.e. Muslim Brotherhood] while throwing long-time allies like Ben Ali, Saleh, and Mubarak under the bus. They weren't perfecct by any means, but they were a lot better than what's next. Gadhafi and Assad were not allies of ours but at least they kept a lid on the Islamic radicals in their countries. Soon enough the radicals will be in charge (as happening in Egypt now) and we'll yearn for the days of semi-secular authoritarian but rational governments in the Middle East that we're helping to overthrow now.
Wow. God help the Syrian people if the State Department and the Pentagon are making plans to "Aid and stabilize" their country after Assad is shown the door. Why not just let the Syrians themselves decide who, what, where, and how their country will look like after they lynch those Syrian government officials responsible for killing their own citizenry.
Someone or something get rid of the idiots in our government who think that we can nation build or whatever the talking point catch phrase of the day is. No one (I believe this to be true...) "helped" our forefathers with building a new country after the English were routed and sent back across the Atlantic. Let's stop thinking that people actually want "US" to do anything for them other than leave them alone to live as they damn well please.
Let it go, dude! Bush is NOT the president, now! Sheese!
Roadkill.......tell the wounded and dying U.S. soldiers to forget who lied the war into nation....yeah just let those amputees think...let it go...just an arm or leg or face.....the soldiers still dying because of their wounds, lost marriages and families, lost family members....and then the debt of Bush wars...oh yeah...just let it go....It is exactly what repubs want. Don't hold any of them responsible for their greed and failed policies that will scar Americans for another 50 years.
Sarah Palin can see Syria from her Kitchen Window.
You BetCha....Fer Sure.
He was dropped on his head, the resulting damage caused him to fixate, rather like a baby chick will imprint on the first object it sees, his affliction manifests in fixating on Sarah Palin. Perhaps he wants her to mother him?
No hes stupid.
What would Allah do?
Let's worry about ourselves for a change. This government has proven itself to be corrupt and divisive. Syria should be afraid, very afraid.
well said weirdscience-90210
Jsdafacts can see an a$$hole everytime he looks in a mirror.
Especially when you are standing behind me..........LOL.
You BetCha....Fer Sure.
Psst, use the 'ignore' button, it works.
"The State Department and the Pentagon hope to avoid a civil war
similar to the one that followed the fall of Saddam Hussein in Iraq."
Change, and then hope.. We are not good at it. AlQaida is in the front lines and ready to take over. Leave the arab countries to themselves.
Cheney and Rove telling Romney what to do. If Romney was elected repubs would be in there for war profits so fast again w/out a plan other than more no bid contracts for profits. Romney still wants to visit BeckyBeckyBeckystan with Cain. 17 of 24 Romney advisors are from Bush Cheney regime. If you like lying into Iraq war the first time, Cheney ready to do another one.
Shouldn't it be Syria's decision and not ours? I thought we weren't into nation building.
Tell me a republican is not the Head of State and Clinton stepped down.
Voodkokk............what? Seriously, What?
I always knew Andrea Mitchell was an ignorant person,...now this article PROVES it.
With wrinkled Greenspan in her bed at night - what do you expect! (But, nightmares!)
Who does the US think they are? This is not a US State that they can just throw some boots on the ground and implement Marshal Law.
On this:
"The Bush administration's decision to disband Iraqi security forces, made shortly after the U.S.-led invasion in 2003, was a catalyst for the bloody civil war that followed."
This is pure speculation like the 13000 point stock market and total BS. That country had been in civil war for 100's of years and continues to be.
The criminal bush, chaney, rumsfeld administration completely
created the fiasco in Iraq…to deny that now, with all the facts and proof is
complete denial…if we want anyone to meddle and try to negotiate some kind of
stability in that country, it would be Obama and his admin.…that almost grantees
there will be no U.S boots on the ground there…other then our advisors and
negotiators…its call foreign diplomacy…and his administration has been pretty
good at it…I can’t believe the denial and ignorance here…after what he has
accomplished in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the trade agreements he’s straightening
out with china and other countries that the bush admin created for corporations
seeking out slave labor…the corporate, and oppressive republicans need to stay
out of the way…we don’t need another enemy or another war for profits…this is
another opportunity to have some kind of friendly relationship with what was a
rogue country…and the article just points out how the Obama admin wants to try
and avoid the bush admin mistakes made in Iraq…there is nothing wrong with trying to help…and certainly
doesn’t mean were headed for another “Vietnam”…lol
Just what I like. A 'take charge' guy in the White House.