It's difficult to remove a human being from a position of power if he doesn't want to go, and most of them don't.

See the jokes going in Syria with Sunni Saudi rebels, al-Qaida, MB on one side and the Assad’s forces on the other side!

Just check all languages of the Saudi, oil companies, and their lobbyists paid media, UN, human rights groups (Amnesty International, Syrian Observatory for Human Rights and other title ones), Ergodan’s, and others!

Shiites and Sunnis are busy battling whose Allah is greater.

What roles Hillarys, McCains, Netanyahos, Libernanns, Romneys have in Syria and Iran?

If atrocities and barbarism on girls, children and women are the criteria, then the most despotic, autocratic and bigoted Sunni Saudi ruler with his 5000 princes and princesses, Kuwaiti, UAE and other Arab League Sunni rulers and their rich sheiks are the biggest culprits in the history.

Through the Muslim immoral trafficking gangs, these barbarians have assembled all varieties of poor and helpless girls and women from all over the world in their harems and brothels.

In killing of opponents again, these people have established world records.

If the US, Britain and others support such Sunni barbarians and beasts who treat girls and women as cheap sex slaves, then one can only conclude that Saudis, oil companies and their lobbyists determine what to see, how to lecture and where and when to act.

Rest like “human rights”, “killing of children and women”, “militants”, “terrorists”, “WMDs”, “chemical weapons” and so on are a pure hoax.

Similar hoaxes were played each time before Iraqi wars on directions of Saudi, oil companies and their lobbyists.

Now none of them are looking into Iraq, where at least a million have been killed and devastated.

We have additional hoax of satellite images, Russian General and so on.

After Iraqi wars and partisan actions, these people have zero credibility!

Twice are too much to tolerate.

AG99

It's difficult to remove a human being from a position of power if he doesn't want to go, and most of them don't.

Why would he? he knows if he does him and possibly his wife, will probably get killed. He has no reason to step down at this point (unless of course he suddenly felt the urge to become a martyr).

How many times have we seen people expressing doubts about Saddam Hussein, wondering if we (NATO) did the right thing, if it was a good idea to remove him. Some countries may simply not be ready for democracy (think Egypt for example, before the new president Morsi was elected, some people were already stating that they wouldn't accept Shafiq - and attacked his headquarters-, even if he had been elected by the people).

And now with Al Qaeda joining the rebels (I suspect they joined them a long time ago), personally I am having even more doubts about this revolution. I am not sure who the good guys are (assuming there is good and bad guys).

Either way, I don't think we should meddle, if I judge from the past.

Seems most Syrian artillery hit open areas.

They aboid destroy the city (his city) and hit civilians, the media tray to said other tales

Tiggle, you have no idea what you are talking about or even what is going on in Syria. This is an issue for the Syrian people to decide, not Amnesty International, the UN or anyone else. Now AlQaeda is throwing their aligiance to the rebels...wonder what will be the end result if the rebels win? More oppression of women and girls, more hatred toward the west, more Sharia law that in and of itself is an abomination of human rights - but you won't hear anything coming from Amnesty International after that. This is not a fight for freedom, this is a fight of one force against another force and the strongest, most crafty force will win - it will either be a dictator state, or an extreme muslim, sharia chaos. I vote for the Dictator - after all, it's working in America right now.

Give it a rest, Stevie, your clever redneck political analysis is just too farking stupid for more words.

Tetrapoda,

First off lets do the analysis. I for one said a long time ago that this is a resurrection of an old feud that seems to still rest in the minds of the Muslim world. The Muslim belief is that they will be Allah's final Redemptive Plan for planet earth. That the Christian Crusades where the beginning of that move towards Redemption. The Koran says that the Infidel will either convert or be put to death by the Sword. What we have seen is nothing more than Al Qaieda, Muslim Brotherhood, Hammas, etc gaining a Political foothold in the region. Our presence represents in their mind the Christian Crusaders. They believe in their Jihad " Holy War". They want to bring Islam to all Nations and Sharia law to all Nations of Islam.

Their very own , our President has aided them in accomplishing this. First the fall of Mubarak, then Qaddafi, now Assad. All of these where and are heavy handed rulers. One was a very strong Ally of the US , and the other two tolerated by US Foreign Policy. Now just as Qaddafi said, his nation's Rebel forces where made up of Al Qaieda terrorists. Our very own CIA had and has always had Libya on the map as a terrorist training nation, along with Syria. Now Mubarak is gone, and his replacement is from the Muslim Brotherhood, a self proclaimed more peaceful arm of Islam. Yet that is not the case if you are true follower of Islam.

So now the Arab Spring which President Obama signed off on our very own Tax dollars to fund the Arab Uprising. So now what players are being left on the middle east chess table. Well now Israel is truly surrounded by her enemies. Soon Assad will be gone to be replaced with a Sharia style government coming to Syria, yes and it will be the people of Syria who want it since they are primarily a Muslim Nation. What is not being reported is the outright killing of Christians and Jews in these Nations. So yes we are allowing this to go one because this Administration really prefers to call this a Democracy being birthed and turn a blind eye to all the killing.

So yes our Political leaders have more to gain by Syria falling then interfering and trying to support one side or the other. First off we don't want to square off with China and Russia. Interesting that there is mention of this situation in the Holy Bible, in the Old Testament. It mentions Gog and Magog coming together and how all the Enemies of Israel surround her to determine her demise. Then the Hand of God comes down upon Israel's enemies.

The Syrian people who are the victims of this beast Assad should hang him or put him against the wall,He had a chance when he came out of the cold in England to take over the country.Instead he continues the horrible mass murdering brutality of his father.There is nothing to negotiate with him now.He is a international criminal and must face the music!!

mathuin you know some people are born dumb and some people go to school to become one , I am tryig to figure out which one you fit , the Alwites were in Syria way before your Alqaida rebels were , and they always lived in the same place all their lives , and if you listen to Ron Paul today and most of our Generals and Richard Engel the #1 propaganda for these thugs in Syria , you will know that Alqaida are in Syria and they are murdering the Christians and destroying the country , enough of Hillary , McCain , Lieberman , Graham BS , these honorable senators need to be investigated by the people of this to show that they are arming and training the same thugs that attacked here on 9/11 , with the help and money from the same terrorists countries that attacked us , ( Saudis and Qataris and all these little no good Gulf states ) people in the US should wake up and look pass their nose and pass their paid off media to see that what we doing in Syria is nothing but murders and destruction .

Thanks for your utterly dopey and xenophobic (can you say that?) analysis. I hope you're still looking for mooslims under your bed, several times a day?

Military wise that is a perfect place to be. As long as you can defend your front. Yet speaking from the truth. What my turn is saying it very true. We have Christians, Jews and others who do not believe in Sharia law being put to death, all under the guise of a Civil unrest. This is happening in Egypt, Libya, Syria and all other Sharia law nations. We are now arming Al In terrorists because we would rather deal with them then Assad. We actually had better relations with his Father. We need to keep our monies here where our NATION NEED REBUILDING, and OUR PEOPLE NEED JOBS!, Our INFRASTRUCTURE needs REPLACED, OUR SCHOOLS need REBUILT! Our PLANTS need RETOOLED! Shall I go ON for you OBAMA or ROMNEY!

ronald, maybe the difference is the intent, all wars have some civilians die that is just the way war is, but when you intentionally target civilian population, could that be the difference, you think??

Yes much like Shock and awe only targeted... ummmmm bad guys... or when the city of Fallujah was leveled.. only, well you know.. bad guys died...

As american-2444716 says. Anyway, that's one of the reasons why we shouldn't meddle, there will be collateral damage no matter how careful they (NATO) try to be. And people who don't see any difference between the people who cause deaths intentionally and use people as shields (like the Taliban for instance), and others who cause civilian deaths unintentionally, and were not aiming for these civilians. At the end the US will only get more hate, and get blamed for everything. Let's learn from the past, let the syrians decide what happens in their own country.

"Sometimes thousands must die so millions can live"

See it's people like Ronald that just make me sick. A person that hates the country that gives him the freedom to sit on his butt and make hatefull remarks about it. What a jerk you must be to not understand the difference between collateral damage during war and using the population as a shield to protect yourself. Clearly you have never served our country in any way. You sicken me, and I'm ashamed to have to say that we live in the same country!

Robbie, you're a tough guy! Half of one doubt and they call it treason.

Followers of the Christian cult induled in rapes, torture and mass killings of Non Christians in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Yemen.. to name a few... White Phospherous, shooting up families in their homes... all fun and games...

Bush's New Crusade, his calling from a higher father.. a calling from beyond the stars.. God told him to spread freedom and democracy....

take another toke

You got? nothing but the facts laid out there... sorry if you cant come to grips with reality.. but that is of no consequence to me.. carry on..

Abu Gharib... , Wikileaks videos, White Phosperous used, testimonies of returning vets who killed entire families... shock and awe mass bombings... no, none of that happened right Muggy?

Who cheered the 911 atttacks? The video of the Palestinians was old footage and had nothing to do with 911!!!!!!!!!!

Anti Terrorism our military? Do you think the millions of innocent people in Iraq who did NOTHING to the US were not terrorized during the war? Sorry, there were no terrorists in Iraq, no one did any hiding.. many soldiers returning to the state testified that they openly executed innocent people. We leveled Fallujah, we have coated that country in radioactive materials.. Depleted Uranium.. yet, they are the sick culture.

So when thew US soldiers rape Iraqis, that isnt a sick act, only the muslims are sick right? when the US goes to Iraq based on lies and lays ruins to millions and entrie cities and infrastructures that isnt sick, that is somehting to take pride in right Olivia? When soldiers sodomize males prisoners.. the prisoners are the sick ones right? When we put electrodes on prisoners genitailia, its the prisoners who are the sick ones right?

Saddam Hussein, you do know who helped the Bathist rise to power dont you? Yes thats right the CIA put him in place to replace a pro soviet leaders... WE DID IT.. We sold hiim the weapons, we armed both sides of the Iran/Iraq war in the 1980s... We did not say a thing when he used gas on the Kurds.. Donny Rumsfeld went there and shook his f*cking hand!!

Olivia, please educate yourself on geopolitics if you want to comment on them here.

Oh and Olivia.. you want to talk about a sick culture.. we have a mostly christian nation that has a 911 in murders every 10 weeks.. 15K plus each year... we have men murdering their pregnant wives, we have women drowning their children in tubs and lakes, we have guys that go shoot up theaters, schools and post offices. We have priests raping kids and the church covering up these SICK acts.. yes SICK acts by men of the Xtian god!!!!! How many rapes occur each year in the USA nearly 100,000!!!! So before you start pointing fingers outward at the world and say that they have a sick culture perhaps you look a little closer to home. We have more than enough of our share of dispicable acts here at home.

Olivia... for you........

Terrorism is the unlawful use of force or violence against
persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government,
the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in
furtherance of political or social objectives."
--FBI Definition

Like regime change?????????

Anita put your tin foil back on!

Rob... what a masterful contribution to this thread you have posted.. Man how long did it take you to think that up? So glad to see such wonderfully thought out, reasoned posts. Its quite refreshing to see indeed. Hopefully you can continue to contribute such incredibly insightful posts, we are grateful for all you do.

Keep up the good work. But would like to understand the tin foil comment, care to shed some light on that? What in my posts warrants a personal attack, what in my posts are inaccurate in your view? its all there, facts laid out, if it upsets your version of reality, there is nothing I, nor anyone can do at this stage of the game..

Olivia: Thanks a lot. I agree with you most of the times. Your posts are highly informative and sometimes better than mine.

Anita: I have to sum up the issues. So I try to be brief.

All religions are opimum of masses to different degrees. Here many Islamic radicals and terrorist have become simply one-way ravaging heroin addicts without caring much for anything.

About Christians: I would say that they are still tolerable. Some Christian right may be nut cases but not heroin addicts. Many non-Muslims don't care much about religion including Pope!

Let me do repost of net results of Iraqi wars.

IRAQ WARS

Net results of Saudi, Kuwait, UAE, oil companies and their lobbyists directed 1991 and 2003 Iraqi wars are

WINNERS

1. Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE and other rich ME sharks became richer by manipulating oil prices too high.

2. Oil companies and their lobbyists also benefitted. Oil prices, which were hardly $30 a barrel before 1991, shot up to $140 a barrel.

3. Since 2003, future traders, rating agencies, Wall Street and oil companies and their lobbyists transferred five trillion dollars from oil importing countries to oil exporting nations.

4. Rich Sunni ME sharks (Saudi Arabia in particular) funded Salaffi and Wahhabi mosques and Islamic radicals and terrorists all over the world. These Sunni Islamic radicals and terrorists are rampaging all over the world. World’s 80 percent of problems are due to them.

LOSERS

1. General US and European nations’ public. There have been high unemployment, cut in welfare measures, housing market collapse and more miseries. Since 2001, US spent three trillion dollars on Iraq and Afghan wars. Did the Saudis and co foot the bill?

2. Poor soldiers killed and injured and their families. In Iraq and Afghan wars 6300 soldiers were killed and 40000 injured.

3. High budget deficits and heavier borrowing. Many nations (PIIGS) and people are on line to bankruptcy!

4. Iraq will plunge into bloody sectarian civil wars leading to the creation of Shiastan, Sunnistan and Kurdistan. Here the losses are of Iraqis.

Muslims heroin Addicts, Christians not? PUUUUULLLLLEEEZ.... we have a heroin epidemic in this Christian Nation of ours do we not?

Who is guarding the poppy fields? How does massive quantities of heroin make its way to America so that on practically any main street in the country you can purchase the drug????? That crap isnt coming here on wooden carts pulled by donkeys..... its a multi billion dollar business, big pharma also utilizes the poppy plant for its opiate based pain killers of which we also have an epidemic of abuse in the country....

May I present to you Rush Limbaugh.. a Xtian.. and a abuser of painkillers....

But yeah.. right the muslims are the ones who have herion problems... ????????????

Anita: I understand your points.

I have personal experiences on some of them. It is better I don't go into too much of details.

We are comparing Christians and Muslims.

Christians have mad people too. But not many care for them. How many care Rush Limbaugh, Bakers and so on!

I walked out of a Catholic missionary school at seventh grade and my son-in-law at fourth grade!

But most Muslims are beyond repair. I have yet to find a good Muslim in the long run in my long life!

They are at least two centuries behind Christians.

I have worked with Muslims, I have never had an issue with any of them. I have worked for 2 of the largest corporations on the planet, IBM and GE. In my business dealing I had no issue whatsoever with them at all ever... Hell your painting muslims with a broad brush... in America Muhhamed Ali is a national treasure is he not?

Xtians, have the abortion clinic killers.. bombers etc.. there are extremists in all religions, out of the billion Muslims what percentage is actually terrorists? a very small one.. We had Bush talking about his new crusade, a calling from a higher father to wage war... these you can look up in his state of the unions.. he invoked his lord, the Xtian one I presume while killing millions of innocent men women and children who did NOTHING to the US..... it works both ways.. sometimes we enjoy pointing the finger outward.. its easier than taking a long hard look in the mirror.

Catholics.. ?? they too are another thorn in my side, preaching their morality to everyone, against homosexuals, condoms, abortion, etc... while that institution on a global scale covered up the abuse of tens of thousands by the monsters in their midsts.. You want to talk about beyond repair?? take a look at the rampant abuse, well known by the hierarchy that was allowed to go on for decades... Sick isnt it?

Have a good weekend Jonathan...

Anita:

Probably, we have different backgrounds. I have worked in different regions. So our experiences are different.

I was for three months in the USSR during 79-80. I did not expect end to come so soon!

I am writing after my long experience. US has been great to me. Christians did not present many problems. Some nut cases (manageable ones) were no big problems to me.

Well, well, I am an IBM US retiree and worked briefly for GE. I worked in networking and network management areas. Sufficiently well known author in these areas!

Why waste your time? From my long experience, I stick to each word of what I wrote.

Have a superb weekend IBMer!!!!

The chemical weapons of mass destruccion (sold to Irak for USA) is a excuse for a war, if they dont fond in Syria later, can blame to Isan and star another war again again another free country !

That's a very stupid reference to fiction superimposed onto reality ..... SHows absolute stupidity.

Hey Conrad! Google, "The River War" and read the paragraph written by Winston Churchill about his impressions of Muslims back in the 1890's!

Ever been to a Muslim country Conrad? On your own and not a member of the US Military or an Intelligence Agency?

I doubt it!

Wonder if Conrad's first name is Joseph, being a fiction expert, having a Heart of Darkness.

According to the 2nd picture, where we can actually see the impact craters, it seems they were not aiming for the houses (assuming those white blocks are houses).

My Turn... kudos... to you... Mass propaganda leveled at us, like you mentioned.. and you know whats odd.. Richard Engel can get a meeting with Osama Bin Laden... BUT, BUT.. we could never find him.. but that news anchor could... amazing isnt it.. time to wake up to the psyops going down.

Olivia.. follow the bouncing ball..... we are talking about him gaining access to Osama Bin Laden... not an interview in Baghdad... while our trillion dollar dragnet of the most sophisticated spying aparatus couldnt find the boogy man.... Little richard did..... odd isnt it?

And you saw the results of the DNA? You went in to the sea yourself? you have seen pictures? How many years did it take to alledgedly find the most wanted man.. all the while a news anchor could sit down for an interview? Which bin laden? the dark beard, gray beard, left handed right handed one? fat nose, skinny nose one?

Point being.. Engel gained access to the guy, yet for years supposedly he couldnt be found will the trillions in resources we have looking for public enemy #1..

Bin Laden had been reported dead numerous times, google it.. he was a useful boogy man to keep us all afraid.. .nothing more..

Bin Laden was a actor at service for USA (AlQaida-CIA) his service is no longer need so the "kill" legaly, hiden somewere whit new papers provide for us (like witness proteccion program) his role was a diablo terrorist, we are the "angel of freedom" nut we kill more people, they suposs kill 3,000 thousand in WTC in New York, we kill over 100,000 thosands in his own land and is OK for us...

Olivia, Obamas Admin already announced to the public they are providing support to the "rebels". Reports are that the CIA is funneling in weapons through Turkey....

Russia and China already vetoed sanctions.. Russia has its only Mediteranean Naval Base in Syria... BTW...

Olivia, can you tell me how many Muslim nations have openly overthrown our democratically elected leaders? You wonder why people hate us? Lets see, 1953, we overthrown democratically elected Mossedegh and install a BRUTAL BRUTAL dictator in the Shah.... We overthrow Iraqs Govt and install a dictator in Saddam.... We invade nations and bomb the populace... can you tell me what muslim nation has done that to the US?

How many Muslims has the Christians killed in the past 10 years... come on math should be easy.. which country has killed more people than the USA? Did any ONE Iraqi deserve to die? Absolutely not...

Let me ask you, if you saw your family blown to bits and had their brains scattered on the walls of your home, would you treat the US as anything but liberators and shower the soldiers with chocolates and roses? Or would you want to exact revenge? The answers are quite clear if you think through it and remove the rose colored glasses.

Anita, who was setting all the roadside bombs,car bombs,mines, and assorted things that go boom, killing any and all around them. seems like they did not care if they killed their own as long as they got a few americans in the process. as in any war. there are unintentional deaths and intentional deaths. trying to kill the guy that is shooting at you from behind or inside a building with women and children in it is quite a trick. of course the Americans are the bad guys......not the asshats putting their own in danger by using them as shields. i guess when you see the 9 /11 video of the WTC and bodies hitting the ground because these people did not want to burn to death, aircraft filled with women and children intentionally used as bombs and flown into the WTC you do not see the fact that these people care nothing about human life and they will gladly kill their own as well as their enemies to get their point across and spread the disease they call islam. really, how hard can this be?

Kilroy... who was lobbing cruise missles into cities? Who was using White Phosperhous? Who used ammo with depleted uranium???? Who was leveling cites? Who was going house to house rounding up men and shooting family members? Who was opening fire on Iraqi news crews from helicopters? What did Iraq have to do qwith 911? Islam is a disease much like Christianity is as well.. We went into Iraq under false pretenses, Iraq didnt attack the US, the US attacked them killing a million and maiming countless others.. really how hard can it be for you to grasp that concept, we foment the hatred by examples I listed, the CIA calls that BLOWBACK, overthrowing people we dont like, putting in strong armed dictators to crack down on the people so long as they have OUR interest in mind.. do some homework then come back and offer up a real debate.. not some heart string tugging BS..

How many countries has the US bombed since WWII..... look it up.. and then tell me about the value of life, its about what countries we want resources from and we will spread BS and lies to sway public opinion into supporting our mass killing... If some country attacked the US, and killed your family, I assume you wouldnt do anything right? just gladly accept this reality?? Or would you fight back at the occupier.. the answer is clear when you put the shoe on the other foot...

Our foreign policy creates the mess we see.... keep on waving your Chinese made American flag..... feel proud that your fed BS propaganda through the news, and that you dont have to live the hell we bring to nations..

Oh and Kilroy.... dont give me the crap about "killing their own" look up murder statistics in our nation.... a 911 in deaths every 10 weeks.. we also kill our own..... but I see you choose to ignore this unpleasant fact....... And the majority of these murders are NOT carried out by Muslims, nope... they are good Xtians....

But you can continue to live in fantasy land if you so desire.

anita, you brought up the Iraqis killed......

were you there? and if not, then you do not truly understand the situation.....we are all but out of there and what are they doing right now? killing each other over WHO gets to be in charge....

sigh, and did saddam hussien use gas on his own people? yes,

was saddam running training camps for terrorists? yes.

were some of those terrorists involved in 9/11 yes

what do you suppose saddam did with the gas he had left over , when he was given a heads up we are invading ? how come after the first gulf war(that HE started) and Kuwait ask for our help where he used chemical weapons he would not allow inspectors into certain areas?

we voted on the second gulf war remember? the house the senate............they voted yes......they agreed that iraq was the proper move..........you forget about that? and the (bush lied ) bs is not gonna cut it.

the murder rate in our country line does not cut it.........that is a sad fact in ANY country....

cruise missiles are pinpoint accurate......we put them where they did the most good.......

depleted uranium bullets are designed to penetrate armor, buildings, etc. what difference does it make what kind of bullets your using once the shooting starts?

from what i can gather, you think the US deserved 9/11 and we should have just run with our tails between our legs and not did anything? do they not put the murderers your talking about in prison in this country?

sorry chick , i am not the one living in a fantasy world......history is a favorite subject of mine......

one thing we can agree on.......when it comes to foreign policy the US has a bad record....and that current idiot in the white house is NOT improving it......

Kilroy... you need an education... first of all the Kurds are not Saddams people... secondly the US sold him the weapons in the 1980s, thirdly we did not say a f&cking word when he used the gas in the 1980s.. Not a peep, remember he was our dictator.

Saddam ran terror camps? Please do tell, where and when was this?

Iraqis were involed in 911? Absolutely wrong... you sir made that crap up.. even Lord Bush admits they had NOTHING TO DO with 911....

EPIC FAIL ON YOUR PART

Did we find even one single WMD there Kilroy???? 1??? NO NO NO...

The Bush admin cherry picked intel and cooked it... Senators and Congressmen did not have access to files, they only knew what they were given by the Bush admin...

No 45 minute attack capabilty

No WMD, no massive stockpiles North, South, East and West of Tikirt as Rummy stated

No ties to 911

No ties to AlCIAduh

No Mushroom Clouds

Depleted Uranium, is it radioactive??? a simple YES would be the correct answer..

History is a favorite subject of yours? Where did you get your history book from a happy meal?

Oh and Kilroy, for the record... I have been in a war zone. I know what it is like, can you say the same?

The murder rate doesnt cut it? UMMMM HUH??????????? It is our people KILLING our people.. it is the exact same thing you bitch and moan that Muslims do.... Murder is Murder.... PERIOD.....

So when you state that they kill their own, like you mention it is a fact in any country including OURS....

really anita seriously ?

my guess is you were in a war zone as a reporter? where the facts are made up? say it aint so !

yes murder is murder........but when you skirt the issue and say the US does not care about human life that is total bs and you know it......we send our troops in with one hand tied behind their backs.....do not shoot at the civilians while the enemy uses their own as human shields and you tell me that the US cares nothing for human life? here is a history question for you.......in WHAT freaking war at any time were there not civilians killed? how many civilians did we kill in WW11 alone? if you look at the numbers which you refuse to do , how many iraqis were killed as a result of the war and how many were killed shooting at us and how many were actually killed by mistake?

once again you seem to forget that the house and the senate voted yes to go into iraq not because iraq bombed the WTC but because saddam hussien was a major threat to stability in the region. he kept saying how he was going to attack the great satan the US.. he was running training camps....who gives a ratts ass weither the kurds were his people or not , did not make any difference to them. the gas is still there somewhere......he used it , and he hid it good.....world opinion is a terrorist best weapon.....the more sympathy they can generate for their cause the better.

so since we have a murder rate in this country......that excuses the iraqis for killing their own intentionally , using their own as shields and not giving a crap if their own people die.

my little brother was there on the front lines in the first gulf was ducking bullets......ive had two good friends killed in iraq.......good men......what your babbling about does not sound anything like what they told me.......they were there on the front lines........what ever