'Situation is desperate' at makeshift hospitals on Syrian-Turkish border

Everyday more wounded Syrian rebels are brought in to Turkey and treated in border hospitals run by Syrian doctors and volunteers. NBC's Ayman Mohyeldin reports. 

ANTAKYA, Turkey – It’s mid-afternoon, and in the basement of a non-descript residential building in a small town on the Turkish side of the border with Syria, volunteers are busy packing parcels of medicines and first-aid backpacks. The shipments today – as they have been every day – are destined for field hospitals on the battlefields inside Syria.

In this small makeshift warehouse, dimly lit air-conditioned rooms keep medicines cool. IV drips, resuscitator kits, bandages, gauzes, suture kits, pain medications and sterile operating kits are stacked on shelves from floor to ceiling. Every bag is stuffed. Not an inch is spared.

Workers here know every item taken inside Syria can save a life, or at least, help ease the pain of someone suffering.

The warehouse in Turkey is just one point in a vast global network aimed at helping the people of Syria caught in the crossfires of the ongoing conflict there. It is made up of doctors and nurses from America, working for an organization registered in France, buying medicine in Turkey, with funds from Arab countries and elsewhere in the world.

On the ground, the network is run by doctors, nurses and activists who help acquire the medicines locally and ferry them across the rugged border to the Syrian frontlines where people need them the most. Wealthy individuals, families and communities from around the region and the world have combined forces to help pay for the supplies.

While politicians and diplomats wrestle, argue, fight and disagree about what to do to end the violence in Syria, this is what ordinary men and women from around the world are doing to try and save lives.


Zohra Bensemra / Reuters

People and members of the Free Syrian Army carry an injured woman on a stretcher at an unofficial border crossing with Turkey in the northern Syrian province of Idlib on Monday.

Taking a toll on Turkey
If the frontlines of the war are deep in Syrian soil, the rear lines extend deep into neighboring Turkey. 

For a country that has in recent times enjoyed an economic boom, coupled with new diplomatic clout in the region, Syria’s conflict is taking a toll on Turkey and some of Syria’s problems are spilling over into border towns and cities here.

Makeshift care centers dot the Turkish-Syrian border. In town after town, private houses or in some case whole buildings are being converted to patient centers where the wounded and injured from Syria are brought for care, help and sometimes shelter.

The Turkish government says they have taken in over 46,000 Syrian refugees since the start of the conflict. Many of them are housed in refugee camps along the border.

But many of the wounded and injured are brought to Turkish hospitals where they are treated and discharged. Once discharged, few have the proper resources to secure shelters or even the proper post-operative care. As a result, many are in desperate need of follow-up care.

Care houses run by Syrian doctors have sprung up to take in patients in desperate need of help. Many were amputees who lost limbs in battle, or were injured by the fighting – only to lose their limbs while being transported. They say their limbs could have been saved had proper medical care been readily available inside Syria. Instead, due to the long journey from Syrian cities – even though they are just dozens of miles across the Turkish border – many began to suffer infections that were incurable once they arrived on Turkish soil.

Over time, the houses have quickly filled up and the centers have become increasingly vital in providing critical care for some of the patients. Today, along this one stretch of the Turkey-Syria border, there are about half a dozen care centers housing between a dozen to 100 patients in each one, volunteer doctors say.

The average cost to run one of these centers is approximately $60,000 per month. Doctors are renting private residences in some cases and equipping them with basic supplies and equipment. They are not meant to operate as hospitals, but they are clearly serving life-saving functions at times.

'They need everything'
Many of those at the center we visited refused to give their names or even agree to be filmed for our video story. Patients regularly complained that although the care centers were providing important medical assistance, they were too ill-equipped, under-funded and poorly staffed to care for a steady stream of patients.

One patient from Aleppo with severe shrapnel wounds to his leg, agreed to speak with us but refused to give his name. He complained the facility was inadequately staffed.

Stringer / Reuters

After months of protests and violent crackdowns, a look back at the violence that has overtaken the country.

"The Syrian National Council and the opposition groups are collecting millions of dollars from around the world for the revolution and they are just taking the money. Come look at the people here and see how we are being treated and you will see there is no money coming here,” he said.

Volunteers vehemently deny such charges. Instead, they say all of their funds are from private donations from individuals.  

Mark Cameron, a Canadian volunteer medical worker who was visiting one of the centers for the first time with the aim of returning to the West to solicit more funds, was shocked at what he saw.

"They need everything. The situation is desperate. I've been in some troubled spots all over the world, most recently, Cambodia, and as serious as it is there, this need here is immediate. It's today, it's this second,” said Cameron. “They don’t have antibiotics. They did some surgeries here yesterday that blew my mind without pain control because they just don't have it. It simply doesn't exist and the surgeries have to occur."

Cameron stressed that the doctors’ mission is apolitical. 

“This has nothing to do with religion, nothing to do with politics. This is a medical problem at the moment. We're medical professionals and were here to treat the medical problem.”

The volunteer doctors are mostly Syrians who are either living abroad or who escaped the fighting in their country. They are not allowed to practice medicine in Turkey because the care centers fall outside of the official Turkish health care system. But the facilities can help patients with post-operative care or serve as nursing homes for those with no places to go.

Supplies sneak across the border
Back at the warehouse, the medical supplies have been loaded on to a van. The van makes its way to the border under the watchful eye of the Turkish military, which sees the drop off in plain sight.

The military has turned a blind eye to much of the smuggling of medicines taking place along its border. It’s a sensitive issue for the Turkish government, which doesn’t want the border area to become lawless but is increasingly becoming porous for supplies, fighters and even weapons.

In broad daylight, we accompanied the volunteers as they coordinated with their counterparts on the Syrian side of the meeting point.  Along a stretch of the border that is marked by layers of barbed wire, a few cars have already pulled up. Our van approaches, and within minutes the bags and boxes are dropped off, pushed across an opening in the razor wire and loaded in the back of smaller beaten down cars heading to different cities across the battlefield.

The entire drop-off lasted less than 10 minutes. Then it was back to the warehouse for the volunteers in Turkey and off to the frontlines for the activists in Syria. Both sides are in a race against time and acutely aware that with each successful mission like this one, there is another chance to save a life in a conflict that has already taken so many.

 

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The oil producing states in the region, most notably Iran and Saudi Arabia, always have plenty of money to support terrorism, but apparently none for their coreligionist's medical treatment.

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#1 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:00 PM EDT

Our country can see the suffering of other countries but when it comes to our own they are blind and none existent, everywhere you LOOK here in America We have people living on the streets, looking through garbage for something to eat, why not put that on the FRONT PAGE, Vets asking for coins at intersections with a sign around their neck, but you don't hear about that!, Oh right they are Americans and really don't exist! HELL and that's with a Democrat lead Government, imagine if ROMNEY gets elected they will cut and any and all assistance to anyone and everyone!, but I do agree with putting the Welfare people to work, NO work no Welfare, I don't care if the have to sweep the sidewalks or pickup trash along the highway, you need assistance work for it!

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#1.1 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:07 PM EDT

I saw serious suffering in my neighborhood today...there was a small patch of brown grass on the 10th fairway.

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#1.2 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:31 PM EDT

We are all getting it wrong. The NSA of the U.S.A. would love to accomplish of what is best for their countrymen to stay on the top of the world … what is wrong with that? The problem in the Arab world is there is no National Security Advisers to have a voice for the sake of their own people. And the majority of the loving good peaceful of the Muslims world keep on paying the price of ignorance. Faith is a good thing, but ignorance comes with pain.

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#1.3 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:42 PM EDT

@Jeff:

Actually, in this situation with Syria, the Saudis are aligned on the same side as Turkey (i.e., with the "rebels"). It is Iran and Russia that are aligned with Assad and are sending him weapons, medical supplies, and other logistics in a frantic effort to keep the regime from falling. There have been media reports that Saudi Arabia has been providing significant financial support to the Syrian "rebels". Meanwhile, the US (in the form of the Obama administration) is just sitting on the sidelines biting their fingernails like frightened school children, while we all watch genocide on the nightly news. Obama doesn't know which way the political winds will blow on this, so he does nothing while non-combatant Syrian men, women, and children are slaughtered by the thousands. Because they are the ones in there doing the heavy lifting described in the article (not the US), it is the Turks and the Saudis with whom the new regime in Syria will align themselves after Assad falls. We (the US) should have been providing medical aid, logistical supplies, and even weapons to the rebels starting months ago. Too late now. Obama had an opportunity for the US to play a decisive role in the outcome and he cowardly turned his back on the situation. He had an opportunity to "turn" Syria into a Western ally and he blew it.

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#1.4 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:43 PM EDT

Song, back in the 1980's we aided Islamic fundamentalists in Afghanistan in their struggle against Godless Communism. Look how pro-West they turned out to be when they took control in Kabul.

China and Russia have a continuing problem with militant Moslem populations within their own self-proclaimed borders. Do they know something we don't about who these "activists" in Syria are?

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#1.5 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:54 PM EDT

Song, just singing that same old anti Obama song of the right wing. Nonsense. You are typical. Tell us we must go to war AGAIN. Send OTHER PEOPLES loved ones to die. For absolutely NOTHING! One of my favorite songs is just the opposite of yours. WAR! WHAT IS IS GOOD FOR? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! As evidenced by the wasted lives in Viet Nam, Iraq and Afghanistan. Afghans have been at war with various "enemies" for what seems like eternity and they are still at war. And you right wingers want to blame our President for putting an end to the waste of U.S. lives. Shame, shame on you! If you'd like to see a real change by all means vote for any Republican, Romney or whoever. You'll get your war if they win. It's where the black gold is and the extremely profitable government contracts for the likes of Haliburton. And please join one of our armed forces. Then sign up to go into the fight. NOT gonna happen is it?

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#1.6 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 5:02 PM EDT

Sam,

"here in America We have people living on the streets, looking through garbage for something to eat, why not put that on the FRONT PAGE, Vets asking for coins at intersections with a sign around their neck, but you don't hear about that!"

I agree with you, but might I suggest you watch the PBS News Hour? They often have segments dealing with such social problems as homelessness, unemployed vets, drugs, etc. And they have real discussions about such problems; not just a 60 second sound byte.

    #1.7 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 5:29 PM EDT

    Let's put our partisan yapping to the side for a second. When Libya began to threaten their citizens the US along with NATO got engaged pretty quickly. It has been revealed now that Obama promised NO regime changes to the Russians and China. As it turned out, regime change was the focus and thus Russia and China will never support any more US led humanitarian efforts again. So we burned that bridge. The right and Obama were on the same side of that issue to get rid of Quaddafi and replace him. Libya was a relatively easy takeover because Qaddafi surrendered WMDs when Bush captured SH.

    Syria is an entirely different matter. Much like Iran, they have chemical weapons and pose a much bigger challenge and then even if overthrown then what? I suspect the US and NATO do not want to make another go at toppling another country because this one will be costly. Who has the money to fight this war?

    I would agree it looks hypocritical to many that the US helped rebels in one Arab country but not another. I am sure Syrians will remember this which isn't good.

    I felt that Obama sat back on his heels when Iran was falling apart. This was a big mistake I think because we lost that opportunity to gain support from within. Now it is too late. Iran is a huge issue that has been somewhat managed by Obama due to sanctions, but really their plans to have nuclear weapons has not been deterred. The policy with Iran has always been "let's wait and see". This is why I am always amazed how anybody wants to be POTUS. Iran will need to be dealt with on somebody's watch in the near future.

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    #1.8 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 5:36 PM EDT

    "Workers here know every item taken inside Syria can save a life, or at least, help ease the pain of someone suffering."

    Since when Saudi backed Sunni Islamic religious Nazis like al-Qaida, MB and other proxies have started considering humans as human beings?

    The situation is worse in Iraq. Why are they not working there?

    So even while doing a little humanitarian work, they want huge publicity and all gathering around them! Ramadan style fasting, fiesting and then token charity work with big shows is one example.

    By the by, big Sunni Saudi, Qatari, Kuwaiti, UAE and other rich sharks seventh century desert dances of Ramadan style charities are missing in trouble spots. Even in 21st century these Sunni religious monstors, maniacs and psychos can't leave their seventh century desert robes. Look at Assad dresses!

    These dirty jobs are outsourced to their cheap paid agents! Syria and Turkey are another example!

    Here also the world is one-way traffic for them!

    Followers of Islamic cult, especially Sunni Saudi inspired Islamic radicals and militants (al-Qaida, Salaffi, Wahhabi, MB, Taliban and other label ones), are fast marching backwards to their seventh century desert tribal days.

    They are indulging in rapings, lootings, killings and genocides of non-Muslims (Darfur, S. Sudan, Nigeria and spreading like wild fire in many regions and Muslims (Mali, Iraq, Syria, Pakistan, Afghanistan and other places.

    Sunni Saudi backed Salaffi and MB new chapters are opening up in Egypt. Just watch the fate of Christians, women and Israel as the time goes by.

    Even in Syria, if Assad is overthrown by Sunni Islamic religious Nazis like al-Qaida, MB, the conditions of Christians will be unbearable just like Iraq.

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    #1.9 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 12:59 AM EDT

    Hey, let's let the neighbors take care of their neighborhood. The Saudis can pay this bill, Turks can play host to the refugees and we can keep our young men out of Syrian soil.

    Every time we intervene militarily, we end up having to build a base and staying put for God knows how long. How many of our troops would die in Syria and for what? And that base we would build would be a magnet for regional militants to terrorize.

    No, let the neighbors carry the brunt of this one. If Assad falls and a new Syria aligns with Turkey and Saudi Arabia, we can win by proxy as those two countries are our allies. And we can achieve that without spilling American blood and building yet another American base.

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    #1.11 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 8:30 AM EDT

    Olivia, it is you who are "out there".

    Syria has no natural resources that I know of. No oil, certainly, no gold, diamonds or uranium. All it has is a short stretch of coastline on the Med which includes the port of Tartus where Russia has its only warm water naval base not blocked by the Dardanelles.

    Russia has Chechnya, Ingushetia, Daghestan, all with Moslem populations that want independence and are willing to resort to terrorism to get it. The province of Sinjiang in China's Far East has been the scene of bloody clashes between Han Chinese, planted there by the central government and the indigenous Moslem Uighur people who are ethnically close to the Moslem Kazakhs across the border.

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    #1.12 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 5:59 PM EDT

    Boys--This is fascinating!

    Where did you hear about this "promise" by Pres. Obama of no regime change in Libya? No news organization knows anything about it.

    As if the USA were in a position to make a promise like that when our role in helping the anti-Gaddhafi forces was minor...

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    #1.13 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 6:03 PM EDT

    Well, live and learn.

    Syria it seems does have some oil production and some gas production--enough at least to interest the government of Tatarstan in the Russian Federation. The production figures and the reserves are miniscule compared to giants like Libya or Russia itself. But it doesn't hurt to look and there is a possibility of finding oil in Syria's far northeast near the Iraq and Turkish borders, which means in Kurd country.

    Mostly though it's Syria's geographic location not its mineral wealth that makes the place worth holding. To bring oil and gas from where it's actually plentiful to where the consumers are, pipelines must be laid. Often the shortest route would be across Syria to the Mediterranean. These Russian companies are mostly transporting or processing oil and gas in Syria not extracting it.

      #1.15 - Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:13 AM EDT
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      Where's The Arab League in all this? Sitting on the sidelines, as usual. They should be leading the way to provide aid in this situation, but we never hear anything from them.

      Medieval tribalism is right at the core of the problem and it doesn't have a solution to these horrible wars and violence that, apparently, goes with the territory. Let them fight it out then. It won't make any difference in the short or long run.

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      Reply#2 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:15 PM EDT

      Amazing, Arabs don't help another arabs,they figth, Blacks americans don't help africans relativs, they figth and begg for USA help..

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      #2.1 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 6:12 PM EDT

      Rightly said.

      When Shiites of Bahrain protested against their corrupt, autocratic and despotic Sunni ruler Sunni Saudis and their brave Arab League members sent their forces to Bahrain. The Sunni ruler and co crushed the peaceful protests.

      Now the brave Sunni Saudis & co got braver. Sunni Arab League sent their "human rights" commission to Syria. Do these Sunni Islamic religious Nazis know what "human rights" mean?

      Only Sunni Saudi and its Arab League could do it. The human rights commission was headed by a Sudanese Gen accused of genocides of 300000 Christians in Darfur!

      Who says: Sunni Saudis are not connected with their Sunni Islamic religious Nazis?

      Sunni Saudi seventh century desert dances along with those of its proxies like al-Qaida, MB were not working.

      So they outsourced their dirty jobs to fast backwards marching Islamic fundamentalist Turkey's Ergodan & co!

      Even their Sunni dances are not working. They now want their arch infidel enemies US and NATO forces to do the dirty jobs in Syria just like Iraq.

      Hope people are not forgetting the net results of Iraqi wars.

      Saudis got us (US, NATO and West) busy with Saddam and Iraqi wars; they vanished from the scene; manipulated high oil prices and made themselves rich; Saudis & co made the US to pay by thousands of soldiers dead and injured along with huge job losses and heavy debts; and they funded their hate preaching and killer training Sunni Islamic extremist Salaffi and Wahhabi mosques all the US, Britain, Europe and other non-Muslim nations!!

      Now ungrateful and backstabbing Sunni Saudis and co are trying to repeat them in Syria and Iran!

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      #2.2 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 1:40 AM EDT
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      These people have been killing each other for centuries. Apparently they haven't learned anything and allow themselves to be ruled by Despots. Let the World of Islam bail them out before Iran takes over.

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      Reply#3 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:20 PM EDT

      Did you not notice that this article tells of the fact that the Turkish people, among "these people", are in fact helping them?

      Then you say, "Apparently they haven't learned anything and allow themselves to be ruled by Despots". My word, you have one of the thickest skulls I've seen on here. This Syrian conflict is about just that. Syrians fighting the rule of a "Despot"!

        #3.1 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:46 PM EDT

        Let them be busy killing each other! More the merrier.

        If they don't kill each other, they will pounce on poor infidels!

        Let us keep miles away!

        NO SYRIA, IRAN or any Muslim killing fields!

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        #3.2 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 1:43 AM EDT

        Well, Olivia, the first independent Kurdish state may arise not in Turkey, not even in northern Iraq but on what had been Syria before its breakup into (Shi'a) Alawite, Sunni and Kurdish areas.

        Right now, Syria is playing the "Kurdish" card against Turkey--allowing the Kurdish militant PKK to set up bases in Syria and launch raids in Turkey from there. This is of course to retaliate for Turkey's allowing the "Free Syrian Army" to set up bases and training camps on its territory from which to operate against al Assad's Syria.

        The Turks say that Kurds live everywhere in Turkey, many in the big cities like Istanbul and Izmir, that they are represented in the legislature and have cultural autonomy. But they will not allow the Kurds to secede and take 1/3 of Turkey's land area with them. They also accuse the PKK of forcible recruiting of young men in Kurdish areas and of carrying on a low-level war against the Turkish army and gendarmerie.

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        #3.4 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 10:25 PM EDT
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        ground troops to Hilary come in hilary ..shhh it is a secret ..this is the bomma.come in hill. this is hill we just armed ten thousand camel herders ..It was easy..fast and furious you should have been there. Those idiots tore up the joint . Give them some whisky and they go nuts. Next time we will try Tequillya and lemons..Get the enemy --->

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        Reply#5 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:26 PM EDT

        How horrible. What is wrong with people? This man Assad and his wife, sit and eat cake while the people of their country are dying. There are good people in this world. There are people who try and help. Not enough though as stuff like this seems to keep happening. I guess when it isn't "right in your face" you can turn the other way and not care. Disgusting and very, very sad.

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        Reply#6 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:28 PM EDT

        I think possibly you missed something Diver, the people of 'their country' are trying to kill them, it's not that Assad and family are just 'sitting around,' they're more probably dodging bullets the Syrian (Islamic) rebels are firing at them.

        Islam really wants this piece of the border with Israel.

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        #6.1 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:47 PM EDT

        As an American Muslim Convert, It makes me sad to know that there are Muslims out there who forget that this is Ramadan and that to kill another Muslim is haram. Diver you are right, The Assad family should have done something good for their own people a long time ago and done more to keep peace with in Syria.

        Seattle Sunshine, Don't confuse Islam (a religious Practice) with politics. Islam has no need of any part of Israel this is all because of the wants and desires of men. Tell me who you hope to impress by pointing out that theses rebels are Muslims? Is the government there fighting against not Islamic too? Would you use the same tone if they were Jews killing Jews or Christians killing Christians? Instead of trying to touch on hot button words spewed like venom from the media...take the time to truly reflect on what Diver is saying. THERE ARE PEOPLE--HUMAN BEINGS DYING--and most people are to self absorbed to take the time to lend a hand.

          #6.2 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 5:36 PM EDT

          you need born again, you are on the moon...

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          #6.3 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 6:14 PM EDT

          You can get a visa for Turkey in 24 hours. You can buy a plane ticket in about one minute. I spent one month of Ramadan in Turkey and enjoyed my dinner.

            #6.4 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 6:28 PM EDT

            Lialabell That's good and dandy and I hope you enjoy your new religion , but Christianity is something wonderful when you understand it and believe it from the heart not from what your preachers tells you , you must have have married a Muslim or fell in love with one , that's usually the case , you will change your mind later , all of them do , But why don't tell your Muslim leaders in Saudia that , they are the ones that sending all these weapons and these Alqaida thugs to Syria with the help of your other Muslim leaders Qatar , I guess they know its Ramadan too . and these thugs that murdering Christians and Alwites and Sunnis in Syria , every time their buddy Richard Alqaida Engel show them , they screaming Alah Wa Akbar while they murdering and cutting these innocents heads like they are chickens , but believe me they do not forget to scream Allah Wa Akbar , do not give that BS , These Muslim extremists are worth than animals , and it saddens me to see that Hillary and McCain , Lieberman and Graham and lots of these hawks and Israel lovers politicians that we have here , that care about Israel being then the US , these people should go and run for office in Israel , Obama and Romney included , they rushing to please Israel and killing the Syrian civilians as offering for Israel . Shame on them all . Ron Paul I wish people understand what you are trying to tell them , but the American people are too busy with their bills and mortgages and trying to feed their kids , and they believe what these paid off media and politicians tell them .

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            #6.5 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 7:20 PM EDT

            Wrong I converted by myself after I educated myself on many religions and spiritual teachings. I will not presume to know where these individuals who kill in Allah's name are headed, but my guess is the hellfire.

              #6.6 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 8:16 PM EDT

              hat's good Laila , but how could you educated yourself on the Muslim religion , their Koran only written in Arabic . I respect all religions , but Christianity is the only religion that teaches love peace and undersanding of others , I am not saying that what the Christians do these days , but I look at the Muslims these days and none of them listen to their teachings , You the Christians helped Profett Muhammad in his wars and protected him , only for his followers to call for the killings of the Christians , Saudis won't allow you to wear a cross or bring a bible into their country , and most other countries in that region do the same , their sheiks call for Fatwas to kill the Christians and all none Muslims , and they are very respected by the ruling kings .

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              #6.7 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 8:40 PM EDT

              my turn,

              "but Christianity is the only religion that teaches love peace and undersanding of others"

              No, it isn't. Many religions teach love, peace and understanding of others. Buddhism is particularly strong in that respect. Here's a quote from the Buddhist book the Dhammapada: "Hatred is not conquered by hatred. Hatred is conquered by love. This is law eternal." Buddhism also prohibits doing harm to any sentient being; not only human beings, but any sentient being, which also includes other animals. But, as they say, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. Religions can teach love and peace until they are blue in the face, but they can't make anyone love anyone else.

                #6.8 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 9:16 PM EDT

                Good point, Mickey, all religions originally teach peace, but people manage to twist all of them inside out.

                Jesus most certainly did not want Crusades, inquisition, pogroms, KKK or latest stunts of skinheads. And yet, they all somehow convinced themselves that they work in his name.

                Mohammed was more militant, but he was all about uniting people. So, he most certainly would not approve of Muslims killing each other, especially at the current scale, nor would he approve of muslims sacrificing themselves just to kill a few random Jews or Christians.

                Jews also drifted of course many times, king Herod being the brightest example, and his spirit lives on in Haredim.

                Those who think that religion in general is the problem and turn to atheism, also have a trap set for them. Just check how well atheism worked out in USSR, Vietnam, Cambodia and still working out in North Korea.

                It's never about religion, those who like to kill, can twist anything into an excuse to kill, and those who just assume that their religion is good and the rest is evil are just useful idiots to them.

                Whatever your religion is, be proud of it, but also try to respect other religions and don't just expect everyone to convert to yours. Once you assume mine-is-better-than-yours attitude, you are taking a step toward the extreme, where your own religion will be perverted and used to do the opposite of what it's meant for.

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                #6.9 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 12:09 AM EDT

                Eli100,

                "Whatever your religion is, be proud of it, but also try to respect other religions and don't just expect everyone to convert to yours. Once you assume mine-is-better-than-yours attitude, you are taking a step toward the extreme, where your own religion will be perverted and used to do the opposite of what it's meant for."

                I think that's very good advice. Love doesn't come from the pulpit. If it comes at all, it has to come from the heart of the individual human being. The best any religion can do is show the way; it's up to the individual believers to follow it. The Prophet Muhammand is a peculiar case among the founders of religions and religious leaders. He was not only a religious leader; he was a General in command of his troops as well. The Quran has a harsher, more militant tone to it because it was composed during a time of war between the new Muslim religion and their persecutors, the pagan tribe of the Quraysh. In that respect it is closer to the Old Testament, much of which was also composed during times of war between Israel and its neighbors. But it is not all harshness, either. I remember one verse from the Quran I particularly like that says, "God is closer to you than your own jugular vein", and I like the way every Surah of the Quran begins with the words "In the name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful". I think that is a nice piece of imagery. And Muslim literature in general is not full of hatred, either, especially not the writings of the Sufi mystics such as Jalal Uddin Rumi who is famous for the line from his long poem, the Mathnawi, which says, "Love is the astrolabe of God's mysteries".

                  #6.11 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 9:33 AM EDT

                  Olivia Forever- my avatar is a anime picture of a muslim girl not of Allah. It's forbidden to depict Allah or the prophet in photos or pictures.

                  Mickey-1983943- Well said.

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                  #6.12 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 7:54 PM EDT
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                  out of sight out of mind

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                  Reply#7 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:29 PM EDT

                  The lib life ehh ! Both sides are in a race against time, it is getting deperate and we need more American money to save lives. We better raise the ceiling and go further in debt to help after all Hilary said we have your back and she works for you know who The Muslim Brotherhood then Obama..

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                  Reply#8 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:30 PM EDT

                  You're another confused righty. "Libs" are not the ones who want to spend U.S. tax dollars on wars then make the middle income workers pay for them.

                    #8.1 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 6:17 PM EDT

                    if you read about the battles of verdun and the somme of wwii, you quickly realize that there was something in those underground cachements and maybe it wasn't human . . . . . . and maybe they were cannibalistic. same thing in korea and vietnam. agent orange. gremlins . . . . . .

                      #8.3 - Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:16 PM EDT
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                      Was there ever a war in which the situation wasn't desperate? That's why they call it war. Duh.

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                      Reply#9 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:33 PM EDT

                      You see: When they want, then it is desperate. Rest of the time, it is time for other business.

                      Just check all languages of the media, UN, human rights groups, Ergodan’s, and others!

                      Shiites and Sunnis are busy battling whose Allah is greater.

                      What roles Hillarys, McCains, Netanyahos, Libernanns, Romneys have in Syria and Iran?

                      If atrocities and barbarism on girls, children and women are the criteria, then the most despotic, autocratic and bigoted Sunni Saudi ruler with his 5000 princes and princesses, Kuwaiti, UAE and other Arab League Sunni rulers and their rich sheiks are the biggest culprits in the history.

                      Through the Muslim immoral trafficking gangs, these barbarians have assembled all varieties of poor and helpless girls and women from all over the world in their harems and brothels.

                      In killing of opponents again, these people have established world records.

                      If the US, Britain and others support such Sunni barbarians and beasts who treat girls and women as cheap sex slaves, then one can only conclude that Saudis, oil companies and their lobbyists determine what to see, how to lecture and where and when to act.

                      Rest like “human rights”, “killing of children and women”, “militants”, “terrorists”, “WMDs”, “chemical weapons” and so on are a pure hoax.

                      Similar hoaxes were played each time before Iraqi wars on directions of Saudi, oil companies and their lobbyists.

                      In many nations, Pakis and those from Bangladesh are into counterfeit currency circulations. These monies are again diverted to Islamic radical and terrorist organizations like al-Qaida, Taliban and other label ones.

                      Now none of them are looking into Iraq, where at least a million have been killed and devastated.

                      Twice are too much to tolerate.

                      • 2 votes
                      #9.1 - Thu Aug 9, 2012 2:02 AM EDT
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                      I say let it get out of hand till it erupts into a real war then wait till it is almost over then go in and mop up..Oh yeah "des-per" better read it next time..Nooo what I meant is that they use the word desperate to get us to feel sorry for them. It is all about money ! They dont care about eachother do they . Hand me a rock and an accusation ehh and I will show you a stone cold mob..LOL..

                        Reply#10 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:35 PM EDT

                        As they say they have some nerve asking for help after all the crap they pulled. From the pictures above it looks like they can handle it. Don't chew on more than you can swallow ehh as they say..assad has Chinie and Russhole backing them. They don't want us taking over the economy by ourselves. Soooo. if they did nothing they would get less to bargain with. Contract fevor..

                          Reply#11 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:39 PM EDT

                          We are all getting it wrong. The NSA of the U.S.A. would love to accomplish of what is best for their countrymen to stay on the top of the world … what is wrong with that? The problem in the Arab world is there is no National Security Advisers to have a voice for the sake of their own people. And the majority of the loving good peaceful of the Muslims world keep on paying the price of ignorance. Faith is a good thing, but ignorance comes with pain.

                            Reply#12 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:43 PM EDT

                            Where in the hell is the Red Cross? Where is the U.S. Military Hospitals? Yet we can transport an Iraqi 10k miles and cannot help the Turkish government who needs a kick in the but to ask for help!

                            They don't want us in Syria, OK, but lets us help their sick and wounded. Yes, all these Middle East countries that want to support the Sunni people sitting on their hands. Shameful every one of them!

                            Be an American, not a political puppet!

                              Reply#13 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:45 PM EDT
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                              The Middle East is the Land of da Devil. The U S should just stay out of there. They will never have Peace.

                              Why do all the Middle Eastern women have to dress up like “Cousin It”?

                              Hopefully there will come a day when we can tell them to “Drink their Oil and Eat their Sand”.

                              Remember Republicans, when these Foreign Countries ask for Aid and Funding….just say No.

                              Cut off all Funding to Foreign Countries, especially Pakistan. Why are we giving them Billions of $$$$$$ just to be our “Little Friend”? Did they Apologize for Hiding Out Bin Laden?

                              You Bet Cha….Fer Sure

                              • 3 votes
                              Reply#14 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 5:05 PM EDT

                              We need to Pass a New Law: Lets call it “Da Dick Cheney” Law.

                              For Any Future Wars or Invasions: All Politicians have to send a Son or Daughter to the Front Line. If it is Truly something that we have to do, they should have no problem with that.

                              Do ya know what is Really Irresponsible? Invading Countries, Policing da World at the U.S. Taxpayer Expense, and giving away Billions of $$$$$$$$ to Foreign Countries like Pakistan …just to be “Our Little Friend”.

                              You Bet Cha…….Fer Sure.

                              • 1 vote
                              Reply#15 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 5:06 PM EDT

                              I would like to know if anyone in Syria or Turkey has a job? If those jerks went to work they would not have time for their nickle-dime wars. I expect that we would participate in civil wars if we were not so busy with our careers. Americans like to think that they will be able to retire someday and live off the proceeds from many years of putting away a little savings. If anything, we should take our money back from this hungry government and give them a flat 10% toward doing what needs to be done. When the 10% is gone, so are they. Regarding the medicine in question. Most of it is going to the black market and is being resold, but they do not want us to know that. And example is Haiti. The millions of dollars given to those jerks has been stolen and Haiti is worse off then ever. Please notice that our politicians do not speak of Haiti anymore. I suppose that they went south with as much as they could carry. And the corrupt, thieving rich get richer. I would also like to know how the multi-millionaire Obama has the balls to talk about the fact that his Republican competition for the presidency is also a multi-millionaire.

                              • 1 vote
                              Reply#16 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 5:07 PM EDT

                              Sarah Palin can see da Syrian Turkish Border From her Kitchen Window.

                              • 1 vote
                              Reply#17 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 5:08 PM EDT

                              Every time Dick Cheney hears da word “Invasion”…..he gets a “Boehner”. You Bet Cha…Fer Sure.

                              • 1 vote
                              Reply#18 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 5:08 PM EDT
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                              Obama calls it a secret war like it is his secret. The French take the most credit shame again Ob juan..Obama saved us nothing the French saved us money with their behind the scenes war fare. Send out the DRONES ! The French want to take the credit for Libya and syria then let them , we can stay out of it. Where is Obama's head telling us or libs telling us he is some military genious ehh ?

                              • 1 vote
                              Reply#19 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 5:09 PM EDT

                              You guys are unbelievable the latest i heard about the Rebels that they are working hand in hand with al-

                              Qaida terrorists..what is wrong with this country are they helping alqaida now..this is very sharmful and we should all ask ourselves who are our real enemy is. This country should thanks the Syrian Army who is fighting those terrorist thugs. What is wrong with you people i don't understand. Corruptions all over the world. I hate politics

                              • 5 votes
                              Reply#20 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 5:09 PM EDT

                              Syria turmoil has nothing to do with its oppressed people or Assad regime. The invented turmoil in Syria is only a strategy to eliminate Syria and to weaken Hezbollah as pretext before Israel and the Western world lunch their war on Iran. It is a wrong strategy.

                              • 1 vote
                              Reply#21 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 5:09 PM EDT

                              Syria turmoil has nothing to do with its oppressed people or its Assad regime. The invented turmoil in Syria is only a strategy to eliminate Syria and to weaken Hezbollah as pretext before Israel and the Western world lunch their war on Iran. It is a wrong strategy.

                              • 1 vote
                              Reply#22 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 5:10 PM EDT

                              The Big Reason the U.S. does not go in is because China,Russia.and Iran are there.The U.S. cannot and will not fight the Big 3. These people have been killing each other for a long time now. Let them handle it. They will work it out.They want our Money but they don't want us to put Boots On The Ground. We should not give them anything at all. The Money that they want from us should be use Here in the U.S. to take care of our own. But we know that won't happen because The King in the White House doesn't believe in helping his own people in the U.S.. One more thing, I recall on 9-11 these Fu##*%@ People were Dancing in the Streets, So Let Them Die!!!!!

                                Reply#23 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 5:33 PM EDT

                                USA, NATO, UK, Israel, have amillions for invest in guns for this nercenarios terrorists, but they have no pitty money for medical help ?

                                  Reply#24 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 6:22 PM EDT

                                  Well you have to wonder how many of these people where injured are because of POMPUS Obama and his "Secret" Aid to Al-Qaeda.....

                                  We have no business supporting Al-Qaeda and I have yet to hear one of these Bailout Barry supporters who could explain why he is once again assisting the Murderers of 9/11.

                                  Anyone want to try and give it their "Spin"? Otherwise I can only say once again......

                                  Do not Re-elect ANY of the Al-Qaeda Supporting Politicians in Washington DC come this November.

                                  If they are a Democrat Vote Republican and if they are a Republican Vote Democratic.

                                  We need to Stop giving "Them" Seniority for their Crimes against America and start Prosecuting "Them" instead!

                                  • 1 vote
                                  Reply#25 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 6:26 PM EDT

                                  Very good reporting. My problem is that it is a retread from 1972, 1983, 1991-93 and so on. Save the article for reprint in about 12 years. Just change the character's names. Am sorry for the losses, but relieved they are taking on one another.

                                    Reply#26 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 6:33 PM EDT
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